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Making Sense of The Draft

The twin faucets of emotion and speculation following the Portland Trail Blazers' 2009 draft performance are running full on, threatening to spill over the sink and wet the carpet around here.  To avoid invoking Blazersedge's flood insurance policy let's find some perspective on the matter.  We'll still have a trickle, I'm sure, but perhaps more manageable.

General Observations

First of all, a general observation.  For those expecting a big blockbuster tonight, it wasn't meant to be.  We foreshadowed this a bit in our recap of the Blazersedge Mock Draft a few days ago:

"The chief complaint about the [mock] draft this year was that it was more boring than usual, what with fewer big trades and also with the Blazers moving out of the first round.  I don't feel too bad about that because there's a strong possibility that Thursday's action will also be understated.  Unless this Minnesota pick-hogging opens up the 5th or 6th selections for cheap I don't see the Blazers paying the price to move up into the elite picks.  There are too many question marks to justify the payoff...We may all leave Thursday evening saying, "That was IT?"  But again, this is a sign of a good team.  The season isn't supposed to hinge around the draft.  You're not supposed to need rookies that badly."

Also you have to look at the make-up of this draft.  Every player drafted tonight would be slated to be a back-up for the Blazers.  Granted some of the higher-level point guards might possibly have taken a starting job somewhere during the season or at least over the next couple years but "might possibly" is still in that sentence.  No matter what move you made you were getting a bench player.  Pick #3...bench.  Pick #15...bench.  Pick #30...bench.  The only question was how much you were going to pay for that privilege.  The Blazers paid Sergio, some cash, and a second-round pick to get the players they acquired.  That's not a steep charge.  They could have gone for the top of the mountain.  They still could, in fact.  But the cost would have been higher.  It would have felt like a big move until November.  At that point reality would hit and you'd realize you just filled a rotation spot somewhere between 8 and 12.  That's not a problem unless you traded away spots 6 and 7 to get there.  Then it doesn't look so good.

The Claver Pick

Now to the specific picks.  The biggest scream was over Victor Claver, who was projected as a second-rounder but became the 22nd pick courtesy of KP and company.  "WHY?!?" came the plaintive cries.  Was it a bad move?

From time to time I dabble in a little bit of songwriting.  When you do that, every once in a while you'll hear somebody else's music and think, "Damn...THAT'S the song I was aiming for and couldn't quite get to."  There are songs--Pachelbel's Canon or the Beatles' "Yesterday", for instance--that are simple and yet elegant...difficult to achieve before you hear them but so obvious afterwards that you assume they were always there.  That's exactly how I feel about the Claver pick.  We all tried to write a pretty song with this year's pick.  What we ended up with--Lawson, maybe a long shot at Rubio, Blair, Pendergraph--was fine, but in the end it was the old four-chord G-Em-C-D tune that's been done a hundred times.  It was pretty, but predictable.  Pritchard and company used some of those same chords and wrote something far better.  And indeed, after I sat down and considered the situation I slapped myself on the forehead wondering how the hell I missed seeing it before it was done.  Darn you, KP!  And thank you.

Here's how the song goes.

One option for the Blazers is to keep Victor Claver.  This is the option the Blazer bigwigs are insisting they are taking.  Ben Golliver got it from the horse's mouth at Blazer HQ tonight.  Kevin Pritchard insisted that Claver was the target all along.  He said VC was the number one international player on Portland's board.  (By comparison Nate McMillan said that DeJuan Blair, a popular pick at that point, was not on Portland's board at all.)   The trade up to 22 was specifically to ensure that the Blazers could get him.

While Ben said KP was quite adamant in these statements, we must acknowledge that this is exactly what he'd say no matter what the situation was.  I think it's possible that the Blazers had plans with 22 that went awry in this mostly-unpredictable draft.   It is possible, however, that Sacramento or Dallas could have snagged him.  Whether the two-spot jump was necessary or not, that doesn't change the fact that Claver was a decent pick on his own merits.  As we said, everyone in this draft was a back-up.  We've also said multiple times in the last month that you don't pick back-up players intentionally if you can avoid it, let alone move up for them.  Unlike many other players in this draft, though, Claver carries a reasonable upside.  He's a back-up because he's young, European, and injured, not because of talent.  Some speculate his career arc could mirror that of Rudy Fernandez.  That may be hyperbole.  But that's exactly the kind of risk you want to take with this level pick on this stacked of a team.  If you weren't going to go for a point guard in this draft you needed to go for the home run.  That's what the Blazers have done.

Better yet, Portland doesn't have to commit any salary to him while he's learning.  He will have the standard cap hold for the 22nd player selected during the summer, as would any player we selected at that point. But once the summer is over he counts $0 against Portland's cap...no contract, no footprint, no financial effect.  By drafting Claver in this situation the Blazers got a first-round pick with (in essence) second-round finances. 

Home-run potential, no long-term financial cost...that's a decent job.

This is exactly why Claver made sense at 22 even though he might still have been available at 31.  We still could have left him in Europe as a second-rounder, but we would have been paying the first-round guy at the same time.  We dumped our first round pick without dumping it at all specifically by taking a European player we weren't bringing over for two or more years.  Another way to look at it is that we converted this year's first-rounder into whatever first round pick Claver might have been drafted with in 2011.  It's somewhat like trading with yourself for a future first-round pick.  Provided, of course, he's talented enough to play in two years.

Things get even more intriguing if you consider Claver's potential for a trade.  One of the moves strongly rumored is the Kirk Hinrich deal with Chicago.  As noted in the draft open threads, Chicago Bulls' General Manager Gar Forman threw some extra wood on the fire tonight in his interview with ESPN's Stuart Scott.  Scott asked him whether he envisioned any future in which the Bulls retained both Ben Gordon and Luol Deng.  Forman immediately sang Gordon's praises and said the Bulls were highly interested in retaining him.  He mentioned that Deng was almost fully recovered from injury and was back in the gym.  He didn't forget Deng or answer only half of the question, mind you.  He specifically, and seemingly consciously, failed to mention his commitment to keeping him.

Let's consider a hypothetical trade for Hinrich, Deng, or both.  Salary matching is one bar, but the Blazers can overcome that.  Another bar is that Chicago specifically wants to dump salary in the short term to avoid the luxury tax and in the long term to maintain financial and cap stability.  A third is that the Bulls have to retain enough talent in the exchange to make it credible.  As we've seen with the Richard Jefferson and Shaquille O'Neal trades that doesn't have to be a ton of talent, but something has to remain for them.  They can cut some players and pocket the savings, but not everyone.

Consider the value of a player like Claver in such a deal.  He's definitely not going to make much difference in the initial talent balance.  It's not like the Bulls are going to pull the trigger specifically because Claver is included.  But how much sense does he make for them?  He's that same potential future home run.  He costs them nothing now, when money is tight.  If they sign him it'll be in a couple years when their big contracts have run out and they can afford it.  You couldn't ask for more.

Those who are bemoaning the lack of a big deal should realize that maintaining cap flexibility plus the ease of moving Claver if necessary make more room for the Blazers to make just such a deal...certainly more than they would have had making a bigger splash tonight with a guy they had to sign immediately. 

Bottom line:  whether the Blazers are willing to be patient and wait this guy out or whether they envision him in an eventual deal, acquiring him made a lot of sense.

The Sergio Trade and Other Picks 

Ben reports that the Blazer brass were clear all along that Jeff Pendergraph was a strong target.  The Sergio Rodriguez deal was specifically to get that 31st pick in order to take him.  Apparently a decent amount of cash went along with Sergio to sweeten it for Sacramento.

Coach McMillan anticipates that both Pendergraph and Cunningham will make the team.  They both worked out on the same day (you can read the workout report here) and both impressed.  Pendergraph has the skills for the reserve power-forward role while Cunningham might be more of a swing guy.  It's hard to avoid the impression that these are younger, cheaper (and obviously not as good yet) replacements for Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw.  Both making the team certainly frees Outlaw for trade purposes.  Both will participate in Summer League providing their contracts are signed.

Patty Mills was a nice pick-up late in the second round.  Ben quotes KP as saying Mills "has a passport", likely indicating that he'll play overseas.  Certainly he's no threat to Jerryd Bayless as the primary reserve point guard.  Indeed the Sergio trade appears to put more pressure on Bayless, at least for now, pending other moves.

Beyond that, Ben reports both Kevin Pritchard and Nate saying that Nate and Tom Penn had to rein in KP and Paul Allen a little bit when their aggressiveness would have added more youth--likely second-round prospects--to an already young roster.  Clearly for the top guys the draft is a buffet.  Coach and Penn play Jenny Craig.

Other Notes

Coach McMillan expressed surprise that Minnesota took point guards at the 5th and 6th picks.  Nate seems pretty certain that either Rubio or Flynn will move, citing their value and their position duplication.  I echo those sentiments.  Minnesota got those picks for a reason and it wasn't to play dueling point guards.

Conclusion

It looks like the Blazers are looking for non-draft avenues to improve the team.  They didn't reach for an immediate contributor.  They didn't pay much to move around.  They retained cap flexibility.  They left a hole at point guard.  All signs point to some veteran help coming this summer.  Once the draft frenzy is over and we've all calmed down, I'm pretty sure that will seem like the correct (and most productive) course.

I'm going to let Ben spend some time over the next couple days acquainting you with our new picks, as he saw them work out in person and will see them again in Summer League.  We'll look forward to that.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Per usual, Dave brings some needed perspective

As long as the braintrust doesn’t try to let our current PG crop head into November, this is all fine with me. Heinrich, Sessions, etc are acceptable moves from my perspective.

by samuelleejackson on Jun 25, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

what would a potential Devin Harris to Portland trade look like?

I don’t know the salary reqs…
Blake and Outlaw _________ ?

by pdxlifer on Jun 25, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy almost "has" to be included

as well as the rights to Claver

but it’d be worth it

by two4larue on Jun 25, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rudy, Claver, Blake and Outlaw.

Would likely all go. NJ will not sell him cheap, if at all. Getting rid of VC is really no indication that they’re giving Harris away too. He’s a big part of luring Lebron.

by Bskey on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

and they might make KP take back

one or more of Alston, Battier and Lee. Especially if these guys don’’t have expiring contracts

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take on Battier's contract (wink)

Getting Lee looks mysteriously like the scenario I proposed giving them Bayless and Rudy for Harris. Maybe they are trying to clear out 50 million dollars in cap space. I’d be okay with that as the base of the trade.

by as11osu on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see New Jersey keeping Harris

He’s inexpensive for what he brings and is locked in long-term. If they trade him they might as well declare themselves a minor-league club.

Salary-wise he makes $8.4 million next year, which is well within reach. He can’t be traded this year practically because he’s a Base Year Compensation player.

Talent-wise you’d have to give up more than Outlaw and Blake.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's worth quite a bit more than that too

franchise level point guards aren’t given away for free. We’ve got the means to pay for one. Giving up more value than you get is acceptable, so long as you’re improving your lineup at point guard for 30-40 minutes per game IMO.

by as11osu on Jun 26, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

He can’t be traded this year practically because he’s a Base Year Compensation player.

Storyteller previously informed us that Harris’ BYC status ends next week on July 1

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is why I voted incomplete

we’re coming up on the real draft ramifications soon …

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by Y5k on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave: What do you think the likelihood is of a trade with Chicago?

From Russia With Love

by L-TrainFTW! on Jun 25, 2009 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

More likely

than anything else that’s been proposed so far. I think Hinrich is probably going to be a Blazer. That said, any individual move is inherently unlikely. You never know how the winds will change over the next couple of weeks.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 26, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

is this based on sources or intuition?

good luck dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trading Sergio gives us extra cap room

This gives KP even more flexibility… it may seem like we didn’t get much in return but in the end this may be the difference in trading for the right player/players we want

by tylerdurden on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm just glad we got rid of him

Nice kid but he was never going to be happy in our system and now Bayless has a chance to develop.

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by skywaker9 on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Claver was a strong pick

I was expecting the Blazers to just trade out of the first round, like everyone else. I’ve got to agree that it was a good idea to draft a guy who could help us in trades or in the future when we are more likely to need him. It was a good move to give the blazer lots of good options for the future.

by Tzardoodle on Jun 25, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Question for Dave:

Do you still think either Rubio or Flynn will be moved even though Ty Lawson was traded to Denver?

Otherwise – great post. You summed up my feelings exactly. We just have too good of a team to put so much stock in the draft anymore. We don’t need to. It was fun while it lasted (except for all the losing) but now we get to worry about bigger and better things (playoffs, championships, veteran free agents). And we still have KP and Co. to thank, regardless of how many “moves” they make.

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by GonzoFan on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 PM PDT reply actions  

One will be moved

Unless Rubio really won’t come over this year, then they move hold him. Otherwise Flynn is likely gone.

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by skywaker9 on Jun 25, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio will go, flynn will stay

there is absolutely no reason that the wolves would trade #6 pick and keep #5, just because of the salary implications. If you are drafting back 2 back and picking players at the same position, then you are going to trade the more expensive option. If they wanted to keep rubio and trade flynn, they would have drafted flynn first.

by retirecards51 on Jun 26, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't see any way they both stay in Minnesota

Rubio is a pure PG plain and simple. Flynn is too small to effectively play at SG. I don’t see how you can give them both minutes at the point and get true development time for such valuable picks. I think a trade has to be in the offing.

by TheMadKiwi on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

minnesota might be interested in przybilla

and then this might free up kevin love in addition to ricky rubio, if the blazers were willing to truly roll the dice and send bayless and outlaw

maybe seeing some value then in corey brewer in return

ignacio

by ignacio on Jun 26, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave, a bass player would probably go with G Em Am D.

It’s the classic I vi ii V, whereas you’re substituting the relative major of Am, that is C, which sounds fine, but in terms of root movement is not as strong.

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions  

those bass players

they’re always walking all over the inversions, anyway

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have to somewhat disagree with this section...

Where you say:

“Things get even more intriguing if you consider Claver’s potential for a trade. One of the moves strongly rumored is the Kirk Hinrich deal with Chicago. As noted in the draft open threads, Chicago Bulls’ General Manager Gar Forman threw some extra wood on the fire tonight in his interview with ESPN’s Stuart Scott. Scott asked him whether he envisioned any future in which the Bulls retained both Ben Gordon and Luol Deng. Forman immediately sang Gordon’s praises and said the Bulls were highly interested in retaining him. He mentioned that Deng was almost fully recovered from injury and was back in the gym. He didn’t forget Deng or answer only half of the question, mind you. He specifically, and seemingly consciously, failed to mention his commitment to keeping him.”

The question was worded as if the Bulls would somehow struggle to keep Deng, as if he was a free agent like Gordon. I wouldn’t be surprised if he reacted the way he did (not coming out in support of Deng) because the question either confused him or seemed to be inappropriate.

by TheMadKiwi on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions  

i thought the same thing...

since deng is signed through 2013/2014, why would he be asked about retaining him? Gordon being a FA makes perfect sense, but Deng (and his god-awful contract) are likely not going anywhere (unless other teams have the same over-inflated sense of deng’s value as the bulls do/did).

by retirecards51 on Jun 26, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was a really well-written analysis and I appreciate the perspective.

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by rivetz on Jun 25, 2009 11:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Hinrich, or Sessons?

I’d prefer Kirk, while retaining both Blake and Bayless

But for some nagging reason I see KP/Nate going after Ramon, instead

(and I haven’t completely given up hope on Devin Harris…maybe NJ really does want to reduce their payroll to 11 mil heading into next summer?)

by two4larue on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions  

NJ

doesn’t stand a chance at 25 wins as their team stands right now, They need to prepare for the future.

by pdxlifer on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Harris may be gone

And this certainly puts any doubt that LBJ would come to EITHER NJ or NY in doubt doesn’t it? I mean, he’s not going to go to either of those horrid teams.

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by skywaker9 on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

NJ could attract 3 max Fas next summer

(this is as11osu’s original idea, he deserves the props)

If the Nets can get their payroll down to 11 mil (and assuming the salary cap doesn’t drop much, next month) they can have 51+ mil available to offer to 3 FAs (17 × 3) that they could then use to entice LBJ, Wade, Bosh, etc

It’s not much of a plan, but it’s a better potential future than treading water with Harris and Carter

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

why not have Harris and just entice two FAs? His contract is reasonable and allows them to sign role players.

good luck dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

why not have Rudy, instead?

We can go ‘round and ’round with this, but nobody knows what NJ is up to, other than they just got rid of their largest contract. And there was talk about them dangling Harris to move up in this draft, so take that for what it’s worth

If I were KP I’d be shaking the trees and rattling the bushes

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Devin Harris

Tell me which team you prefer

Wade / Bayless
Lee / Williams
LBJ / Batum
Bosh / (Next Years Top 5 Pick)
Lopez / Veteran Minimum Center (looking for a Championship)

Harris / MLE level PG
Lee / Williams
LBJ / Veteran Minimum SF
Bosh / (Mid First Rounder)
Lopez / Veteran Minimum Center (looking for a Championship)

by as11osu on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

that our batum?

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by faith on Jun 26, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

please no kirk

i hate seeing all the BE readers singing the praises of an over-paid steve blake (kirk hinrich). the guy makes 9.5, 9, and 8 million for the next 3 years, and blake makes less than $5 million. his shooting is marginally worse, his defense is marginally better, and they are both about equal in everything else. why pay this guy 2x as much and ruin future flexibility? considering Roy/LA will be commanding around $30/per season (combined) after their extensions this year, i don’t see how you can devote 8-9 million to a mediocre PG.
Would you be willing to pay Deng 10 – 14 million for the next 4 years to replace outlaw and his $4 million contract? B/c you are essentially doing the same thing at PG with Kirk (though not quite as expensive, obviously).

by retirecards51 on Jun 26, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

blake makes less than $5 million

Do you know what Blake will make on his next extension? He “might” accept 5 mil/year (“home-town” discount) but as a starting PG I suspect his agent will push for more $. The salary gap between these two PGs will likely narrow more than 500k a year, over the next 3 years

The talent level, however, will remain wide in Hinrich’s favor. Especially at the defensive end of the floor

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Pendergraph

I think he is stepping into the perfect situation. He won’t have the pressure to perform at a high level immediately but he may get 15-20 minutes a night to grow into a nice back up for 3 to 4 years, especially if Outlaw (maybe) and Frye (surprised if he doesn’t) move on. The other guys I have no idea about. We shall see if they are even around for summer league.

I was hoping KP wasn’t going to get lured into making this team younger again. And the fact that he didn’t gets him at least a B for this draft day. He has once again left his options open and will return 9 players that won 54 games last year (plus Webster) if he chooses to make no deals. I like where the Blazers sit.

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by tssbro on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I like him too

He would be a good replacement for Frye even now and certainly in the future.

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by skywaker9 on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Monter

was on with Wheels, Allen and Vance this afternoon. He said he heard Pend’s name mentioned in trade rumors, yesterday.

Possibly to Chicago

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Solid B for Portland

But that’s all they needed tonight. We didn’t want to risk any of our core on yet another rookie.

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by skywaker9 on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Clarification on Clavers cap hold

Dave – your post reads as if to say that the Claver’s cap hold space expires at the end of this Summer, which is not the case. It exists until Portland no longer has draft rights to him. I think you only intended say that it will have no financial impact, even though it has a salary cap hold effect.

 

by mrwonderfulone on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Cap Hold thing getting confusing...

I don’t remember Rudy counting against the cap when we held his rights. I may have just missed it. Please give a reference if you have it.

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by tssbro on Jun 25, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was confusing

I am assuming that the Blazers won’t be under the cap after this summer. Thus it won’t matter.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

And actually

you’re partially incorrect about the cap hold remaining. If a player has an unsigned first-round pick who signs with a non-NBA team his cap hold is removed. Assuming that Claver actually plays somewhere there’s no cap hold during the regular season.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Certainly [Mills] is no threat to Jerryd Bayless as the primary reserve point guard

Thanks for the perspective. We already had a little “Jerryd vs Patty” debate start up, on one of the fanposts

Bayless needs to play every minute that he is physically able, exclusively at the PG position during summer league

by two4larue on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions  

There's just no way.

Mills is super fast, but it’s not like Bayless is slow.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 26, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Cunningham pick still doesn't make sense

Even if Blair wasn’t on KP’s draft board what’s the point in passing on Blair with the 33rd pick? He’s lottery level talent in the 2nd round. He’s all upside at that point.

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by Magnum on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Agree completely

Cunningham has to be pretty good to make DuJuan Blair a bad pick. It’s a second round pick, how much would you really be losing if his knees are truly bad? He’s a guy that absolutely helps you now when the team really needs bulk and toughness at the four.

You just have to assume that teams got some information that really made his physical situation look extremely bad.

by TheMadKiwi on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blair was on RC Buford's board

that’s good enough for me. Maybe the Spurs are in more of a “win now” mode than Portland, but dangit Blair is a banger on a team that needed a banger

It will be interesting to see DeJuan matched up with the Blazer bigs in summer league, and beyond

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Short, bad knees, weight concerns.

That’s three major red flags. Any one of those would make you think about a player twice. There’s a reasonable chance Blair gets injured and ends up slow, fat, and out of the league. I like him, but the guy seems super risky.

Why not just keep Ike Diogu or Zack Randolph for that matter? I don’t think he makes sense especially since rebounding is not exactly a concern for the Blazers anyway. Seems a little superfluous don’t you think?

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 26, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Super risky at #33?

How super risky is not giving a player a guaranteed contract. For as long as he’s healthy, as he’s been throughout his career thus far, isn’t he the best prospect you’re getting? For this year he’s worth that contract more than anyone else would be. He’s the most ready to go, has not only the important numbers (wingspan, standing reach, weight) but he’s got the best on the court game.

by as11osu on Jun 26, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's the difference?

He’s a walking red flag. Even if he stays healthy, which is a big if, he’s completely redundant as a rebounding machine who’s also a sluggish defender and limited offensively. Why would you waste the pick if you thought the odds were real good that Blair won’t pan out? The Blazers should have taken Blair just because people like him? He doesn’t address any of our weaknesses. The man is slow, has no ACLs, and has been fat until a few months ago. I want him on this team about as much as I want Sean May. (OK, that’s not true)

His health problems are no joke either.

In high school, Blair tore both of his ACLs and had them surgically repaired. Blair’s scar tissue essentially got re-absorbed by his body and the result left Blair with essentially no ACLs.

… Blair’s is an unprecedented injury and one that scared off a slew of NBA executives. Though Blair literally has no ACL to tear, some team physicians feel that Blair could eventually develop a nagging issue that could wear him down a few years down the road.-ESPN

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 26, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rebounding sure didn't seem redundant on our second unit

when Frye or Outlaw came into the game. Blair also has an expanding mid range game on top of all the easy trash he’s able to finish. He would be immensely helpful on our second unit with 3 point shooters all around. Throw in the fact he’d work with Aldridge as well, and you have a player that fits pretty much all conceivable lineups we could throw out there. Joel isn’t a great boarder on the offensive end, and Blair certainly helps with that mess. Blair also hasn’t missed a practice or game in 3 years. Isn’t that kind of impressive for a guy with such huge injury concerns?

His upside trumps what else was there in the second round. His now value trumps what else was there in the second round. His cost in the second round (potentially nothing) is what makes the previous two statements enough for his selection. He’s by far the best value we’re going to get for our buck this season, and if it doesn’t work out it costs us nothing. If it does work out, we got the best player out there, and we got him at nearly no cost for a couple seasons, and he’s a great part of a trade package. Specialists have greater value in this league, and Blair was among the very best specialists available this year. Is it that hard to look at Paul Millsap, Brandon Bass, Jason Maxiell, Leon Powe and not see how Blair could make a difference in the league? Even with Blair’s supposed knee issues he destroyed Millsap’s numbers in the combine across the board. He also had better rebounding numbers than Millsap in this years Big East than Millsap had in the WAC. As Dave has stated, if you’re the Blazers right now, and you’re picking late in the draft, you should be going for the home run. Blair at that point is by far the closest thing to that. High upside at next to no risk. Playing it safe and getting a player that should never play on a Championship level team has no value right there.

by as11osu on Jun 26, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Blair literally has no ACL"

I don’t see the upside in that. There is no “home run” in drafting a guy with unprecedented knee problems. He lived off junk food in college and only stopped being super fat a month ago. That doesn’t raise any red flags?

Which reminds me… how exactly do you lose 40 pounds in three weeks?

Which reminds me… what’s the upside on a 6’5" PF?

All power forwards 6’5.5" or shorter in descending order by height. (according to draftexpress)
Stephane Lasme
Corliss Williamson
Chris Porter
Mario Boggan
Marco Killingsworth
Craig Smith
Ivan McFarlin
Chuck Hayes
Quinton Hosley
Sean Lampley
John Turner
Mario Bland
Renaldo Balkman
Jeff Adrien
Clarence Weatherspoon
Davon Jefferson
Dejuan Blair
Tyler Smith
Ryan Minor
Jarrett Stephens
Juan Mendez
Carlos Powell
Jason Maxiell
Pete Mickeal
Jason Sasser
Roger Powell
Eric Hicks
Donta Bright
Nick George
Kyle Hines
Charles Jones

So I guess the height makes you think twice. The weight really puts a damper on things. And then the terrible looking knees finally kill it. Any one of those things would be reason enough not to draft a guy. All three combined makes it a pretty slam dunk case. The Blazers aren’t playing it safe, they’re playing it smart.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 26, 2009 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

The height issue is meaningless

where the top of your ends has virtually no impact on how you play. Standing reach and wingspan are much much more important and he’s in the top 10 percent of both categories. Also, his weight should be on the higher side, because it needs to be for him to be such a good rebounder. He’s at the very top of the boarding list this decade, and no college ability translates as well to the NBA as rebounding ability. Also, the kid had a top 10 PER this decade. He makes his teams exceedingly more efficient, and grabs a ridiculous percentage of offensive boards which would be very useful with our second unit snipers.

About your list… Of all the players getting measured its not surprising that most of them aren’t great players. That’s how the NBA works. Wingspan and standing reach are more indicative of NBA success, maybe you should compare his numbers in those categories.

As Dave said, if you weren’t going for a point guard, the goal should’ve been to go for a home run. And even in his opinion DeJuan Blair would’ve been one of those home run type of players. We drafted players in the second round that not only are inferior now, but have lower upsides.

by as11osu on Jun 26, 2009 5:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I sound like an ass, but last I checked basketball players played with their hands, not with their heads. Standing reach, max reach (vert + length with hands) and wingspan are far better indicators of success.

Blair has a max reach of 11’ 7.5" (same source). That’s as much or more than e.g.: Brandon Bass, Ronny Turiaf, Drew Gooden, Renaldo Balkman, Carl Landry, David Lee, Taj Gibson (first round pick now), Darius Songaila, Shane Battier, Josh McRoberts, Paul Millsap, Matt Bonner, Chuck Hayes, Ryan Gomes, Reggie Evans, Danny Granger, Carlos Boozer. Now we are at 11’5’’.

by Norsktroll on Jun 26, 2009 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get that.

Except it still makes a difference. I value Brandon Roy’s height over Rodney Stuckey and I don’t really care if they have the same standing reach. Roy is taller and no amount of hemming and hawing over reach and wingspan is going to convince me that Roy’s height isn’t an advantage.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 26, 2009 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Head height helps

if you’re a PG, and need to make a post entry pass

But as Bill Russell once said, a higher percentage of rebounds are taken below rim level. Rebounding is all about anticipation, positioning (getting it and holding it) effort, desire and good hands

Blair was one of the best college rebounders. Ever. The Spurs will be very happy with him

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cunningham??? Seriously???

I think Claver and Pendergraph going before Blair can be justified based on the medical reports… but with your 3rd pick the risk is so low at that point. They apparently couldn’t or wouldn’t adjust their board to get a guy with way higher upside. I think we missed out.

by 52therim on Jun 26, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know somebody will pull out the advanced metrics to prove me wrong

but maybe Nate just did not want any part of coaching a guy like Blair.

In the past he already had Reggie Evans and I think he coached Fortson as well. I’m not talking about personalities because Blair is by all accounts a great guy. I mean Nate just might not like the tree trunk that parks directly under the rim and waits for O boards. I believe that KP would listen to Nate a little bit about what kind of folks he likes. Bball is 5 on 5, and the best teams have players with complimentary skills.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jun 26, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Woah, did you watch Blair play, he didn’t park under the rim and wait. The man was very active in the offense. He’s a pretty solid post defender too. Very coach-able, he seeks feedback on how to get better and follows through on it. He’s gonna be at least a 6th or 7th man, at best a solid starter. In the Spurs system he will be a great piece.

by Phantaskippy on Jun 28, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cunningham can play 2 positions kind of an outlaw+ more rebounding

Outlaw is like Sergio to me good kid likable but time to move on while unlike Sergio he has some trade value.I believe he will be a major piece in the acquisition of our new starting PG

by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 27, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

A- for the first round. C- to D+ for the second round.

My Blazers draft board before the draft:
11— DeJuan Blair
33— Victor Claver
38— Jeff Pendergraph
55— Sergey Gladyr
56— Alade Aminu

So I’m totally okay with taking Claver, who is a very nice talent already and could develop into something special. I thought we – and he or his agent also stated that – wanted to make him a second round pick to avoid the rookie scale and any hassles about not being able to pay him what he can earn in Spain. But I take it he wouldn’t have been available then or there were other reasons. Or as you said he could be used to trade for someone special.

I also like Pendergraph as a substitute to Channing or Shavlik or Freeland, not quite as skilled yet but a pretty tall player who will work hard around the board and score some inside baskets. I’m also happy we got Mills at #55, which is great value for such a prospect. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn’t. But it’s not a big deal.

What I don’t understand is the Cunningham pick when DeJuan Blair was on the board all along – and we passed on him two times already and could thank our lucky stars that he was still around. I fear that will become the next Maxiel, Boozer or Millsap we passed up.

The problem I see as stated before is that Blair represents a player type the Blazers don’t yet have. The undersized burly backup power forward with athleticism who can grab a lot of (offensive) boards, dunk with contact while guys hang on him, etc. Other teams have that kind of player (notably Utah, Detroit, Houston, Boston, Dallas, and a few more) and by all accounts it’s a nice weapon to have. Sure we might be able to lure such a player away from a team that had him now in free agency (say Brandon Bass, or Glenn Davis). But that will cost you quite a lot. Blair was a "walk out free with a banger" chip. Many people were ready to trade up for him, say to 18 or even higher.

If before the draft I would have told you “we can have Blair essentially for Sergio and a second round pick”, about everyone would have taken that offer. Now we even could have had him just for the second round pick, since he still was there after we used the traded pick on Pendergraph. Unbelievable to say no to that. Unbelievable that Nate said he wasn’t even on their board.

I don’t really care how his knees look like. He moved quick in college and in pre-draft workouts. Maybe in three years his knees are shot. That would be sad for him, because judging from interviews he seems like a great very positive and competitive person. But until then, he gives you valuable performance at an absolute bargain price: The rookie minimum. You can’t even sign a Ruffin for that. Sure it might be some risk, but it’s a very cheap and controllable risk. You can get much easier a player at least as good and NBA ready as a Donte Cunningham right now in free agency (say Hakeem Warrick, or James Singleton, or Stephen Graham, or Ime Udoka) without even looking at stars than the type of player Blair represents.

Nothing I have heard tonight from KP & Co. has convinced me otherwise so far. And that he fell to the Spurs of all teams makes me angry.

by Norsktroll on Jun 25, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

agreed

And that he fell to the Spurs of all teams makes me angry.

The Spurs made out like bandits. They got the best possible player they could have with that pick. It fits a huge need for them and for only the price of their 2nd round pick. I would like to add to my post just above here that taking Blair carries no risk AND prevents another team from picking up a potentially solid contributer. I guarantee that Blair will be worth more than a 2nd round pick by the end of next season.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jun 26, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be honest...

I was a bit surprised everyone was so high on him when I read the combination of bad knees and issues with weight combined with being a 6’6" PF. He also is supposed to struggle with defending the pick and roll. That might make life in the NBA pretty rough for him.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

His wingspan and standing reach is that of a much bigger player. Our players about all struggle to defend the pick and roll, so that wouldn’t be news. I don’t know how good Blair is at that, he certainly is no wing defender.

I’m not saying we can’t land a better player. Bass was measured as fast as many point guards in pre-draft camp, has playoff experience, a serviceable mid-range shot and no health issues. But such a player will cost you about five times as much as Blair to even start negotiations.

by Norsktroll on Jun 26, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

He also is supposed to struggle with defending the pick and roll.

Pop and crew will coach him up. San Antonio tends to not play rookies much, (or even veteran FAs, as Ime found out) but if they need a guy to throw into the middle of a scrum, they’ve sure got one

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Knickfan did the work...

His post below lays out what I read and heard before the draft. Passing on him might not be the worst decision the Blazers ever made.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

His offensive game is somewhat underrated. He but up 15 points per game against pretty good competition and at high efficiency.

True, he won’t create a ton of shots for himself a la LaMarcus. But he would score off putbacks, offensive rebounds, passes close to the basket.

As for NBA-readiness, Pendergraph might be higher overall than Blair, though rebounding skills translate very well from college to the NBA (see Oden). Cunningham was not rated as more NBA ready, e.g. subpar ball handling and face-up game for a 3/4 tweener.

by Norsktroll on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Portland wanted to seriously upgrade its second unit's rebounding

then Blair would have been the easy, no-brainer pick.

But as I suggested upthread, they probably put a higher premium on offensive (and defensive)production. The backup power forward will be paired in the frontcourt with either Greg or Joel – both of whom will be counted on to do more rebounding than scoring. The last thing they needed is a 4 unable to shoot effectively from outside of five feet. That would seem to rule out Blair from serious consideration. I’m guessing that was a bigger factor in the Blazers passing on him than any prospective health issues.

by knickfan on Jun 26, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blair shoots just as well as Pendergraph, so I’m not sure I understand this point. Pendergraph is really raw offensively as well.

Channing Frye was a developed offensive player. That didn’t turn out well.

good luck dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey I don't want to argue with someone

who has had “Draft DeJuan Blair” as his signature for the past six months. You obviously have a horse in this race. And I don’t.

I’m merely suggesting an alternate theory as to why the Blazers may have passed on Blair – to the consternation of many here. The popular opinion is that it was because of his knees. I’m positing that it may have been because of his limited offensive (and defensive) game. Perhaps the Blazer braintrust saw Pendergraph and Cunningham as having a much higher upside in those areas than Blair.

by knickfan on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I understand not drafting Blair, but I think it’s more along the lines of his injury. Sure, Portland might have passed on him due to hypothetical fit with Przybilla or Oden. But fifteen other teams? Has to be something constant about Blair in every scenario, like his knees.

good luck dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on Jun 26, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

This should be green.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blair is an exceedinly efficient offensive player

He didn’t lead all of college hoops in PER for nothing.

by jksnake99 on Jun 26, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for bringing some reasonable counter argument to this circus

Rec +1

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jun 26, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

With the offensively challenged Przybilla and Oden already in the fold, did it really make sense for Portland to bring in a rebounding specialist with a limited offensive g

Sure. There are lots of ways to score. Blair can get put backs and easy baskets off of his offensive rebounds.

 Przybilla’s strengths are defensive rebounding and blocked shots. I think the two players could’ve complimented each other extremely well.

With Rudy and Martell in the game, Blair could’ve grabbed an off. rebound and fed them with an outlet pass for an open 3 pointer.

Dennis Rodman had a limited offensive arsenal and was a valuable part of multiple championship teams

Bottom line, the Blazers needed to add toughness and physicality. They drafted Pend and Cunningham. These two “may” be able to do what Blair has already demonstrated he can do, while dominating perhaps the toughest conference in the NCAA

by two4larue on Jun 26, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

incomplete

what we do in July is going to be the story

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Great analysis, as usual Dave.

Level headed, insightful.

Claver makes a lot of sense. Pendergraph could be a good role player.

I don’t know if I see Cunningham being a part of our plans at all….Patty Mills could be another Kopenen.

Overall, pretty good draft. Now let’s see how July treats us.

by prezofdeath on Jun 26, 2009 12:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Hints from KP that a PG upgrade is on its way...

1) Traded away Sergio… relieving what would have been a glut at PG, but more importantly signaling that cap space is needed for a future move.
2)Specifically targeted a backup PF… In fact, moving up to make sure they got the person they wanted.
3)Obviously made no moves to upgrade at PG in the draft. Yes, they drafted Mills when he fell into their lap and was obviously BPA. Immediately hinted that Mills would need his passport.

PLAN A- Hinrich
PLAN B- Sessions

Neither is a sure thing, but both seem within reach!

by 52therim on Jun 26, 2009 1:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I like Pendergraph, not impressed with Cunningham or Mills

I was able to watch Pendergraph live at the UW game in Seattle earlier this year. Very impressed by his discipline and fundamentals. On offense, he was always in control and knew where to go and what to do. He is really well coached and I’m excited to see him play in summer league. I think he can be the answer at the backup PF eventually. Needs to work on his shot out to 15 feet.

I’ve never seen Cunningham play, but based on my research, he seems like a classic tweener at the 3/4 spot. Questionable range to the 3 point line, mediocre ball handler, too small to play the PF full time, and extremely athletic. Almost reads like an early Outlaw scouting report. Can’t say I’m excited about him. I wish the Blazers could explain this draft pick and how they envision him.

I want to buy into the hype that is Patty Mills, but his stats are just so unimpressive in the WCC. Seems like a guy who made a name for himself playing well against Team USA, kind of like Arroyo. We all know where he is now.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jun 26, 2009 2:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Forgot about Claver.

Don’t know much about him except that he looks skinnier than Batum. I guess we’ll see him in a couple of years.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Jun 26, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The clips they have been showing are from last years workout with us.

Its my understanding that he has bulked up considerably and still has the frame to add some more muscle.

by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 27, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The blazers liked their workout with Cunningham. I know on paper he looks like Outlaw but in person he looks like Outlaw who has been on steroids for a couple years. Dude is strong. I think he slots much more of a 4 than a 3 even if he’s an inch shorter than we would want.

by danielfarrell on Jun 26, 2009 4:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I rate it incomplete.

It’s hard to tell how well we did in the draft if we’re going to make trades or free agency moves and just haven’t yet. If this is all it is… I’m very disappointed.

All aboard the Kirkwagon!

by Arby on Jun 26, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

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