Draft Day: The Blazer Thread
by Dave on Jun 25, 2009 6:55 AM PDT
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PrintWelcome to Draft Day 2009!
Tonight we'll have an open thread during the draft complete with pick-by-pick updates. But until that time this is your thread to discuss Portland's potential pick and other assorted moves. Will the Blazers move up like The Jeffersons, stay put like the Huxtables, or try desperately to get out like Florida, J.J, Thelma, and Michael?
Anything Blazer-related is good to go here, though do try to keep from repeating the same speculative trades over and over. Please note that there is a thread right below this one for non-Blazer discussion.
If this thread gets too full we'll start a new one. Until then, enjoy!
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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22nd?
KP has to have something up his sleeve to move up two spots…I just can’t quite figure out what that is…
draft Omri Casspi and send him with Blake and Outlaw to Chicago for Hinrich.
by dario argento on Jun 24, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
If we end up with Hinrich
I will be disappointed and I would think that KP had all of his grand plans fall through. Hinrich would be a solid move. I’m just hoping for the extra-ordinary.
by parkinglotj on Jun 25, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
If all we get is hinrich i too will be dissapointed but watch they'll say it was their grand plan
after all
by HurricaneDayne on Jun 25, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Ill be stoked for Hinrich
I just really think his skillset can be the difference. Along with that elusive backup 4.
* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...
I think the Hinrich love fest has gone out of control and
many are starting to believe their own press releases about how good they guy is.
He’s a second tier player that costs more than twice as much as the second tier player the Blazers already have.
Blake is not a second tier guard, this changes the logic you are following.
Blake is a third tier point guard ideal for backing up someone like Hinrich or providing a steady hand on a young team (current position, we’ll ignore Houston).
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
A third tier guard that has won the starting PG job for two different teams.
I’d say this is more like a 10th rate evaluation from someone who has never stepped on an NBA court.
hakkaa päälle !
In Denver being the second stint?
He started after Andre Miller left, leaving Earl Boykins and Anthony Carter to compete with. Hardly sterling competition.
Luke Ridnour has started for two teams too. Is he second tier? On the same level as one of, if not the best defensive point guard in the league.
If anything Hinrich is at market value considering his defensive versatility, he shoots as well as Blake while providing the defense Steve Blake has only dreamt about. He’s a through and through starting point guard.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
What ever happened....
To the new banning rules (e.g. not being nasty to each other?)
I'll apologize for any nastiness.
But why do we have to listen to “experts” who state opinion as if it were fact.
Had Pirate said I consider Steve Blake to be a third tier PG, then I would have asked him if he could explain what made him think this. Instead, he makes a flat out assertion that Blake is third rate.
Stop and think for a moment. The odds are that Steve Blake has worked harder than Mr Pirate ever has. We know that despite being a 2nd round pick, Blake is not only still playing in the NBA, but is the starting PG for a 54 win team that made the playoffs. He’s managed to twice win the starting job at Portland, even though most fans look at him as nothing more than a competent backup. (Except for Pirate who apparently thinks he should be in a suit behind the bench.)
We are all entitled to our opinions. If Pirate wants to believe Blake is third rate, so be it. But at least have the decency to clearly state it as your opinion and not a past doubt fact.
hakkaa päälle !
So far as stating something is "one's opinion" . . .
. . . that’s always implied in one of these posts unless otherwise stated. I prefer not to read “In my opinion,” “My view is that,” “I think that,” etc. It takes time; it gets repetitious; it states the obvious. I’m not an expert, but
that’s the truth [in my opinion].
by Trutherlizer on Jun 25, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
plus
i really really REALLY hate the IMO or IMHO
they’re both Emo’s in disguise. Bloody emo’s. All crying about this or that and about all the conformists that aren’t conforming to their conformist emo views.
Wait… what are we talking about?
Oh right… emo’s… someone give those boys a sandwich. They’re skinnier than the girls.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
I think they are called indie now
I dont think there has been any emo since 2002
you can probably still punk on screamo kids though
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I have to agree with this.
Hinrich is serviceable, but waaaaaaaay too expensive for a small upgrade over Blake. I still haven’t seen anything to indicate that Hinrich is basically Steve Blake with better defense.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I think the Blazers would pay millions
to have a pg that does not go under a screen as the first line of defense.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
It's pretty easy to see when you watch him play.
Maybe we don’t see the same things, but ever since CHI got the #1 pick, I started watching the guy closely. Meaning I wasn’t watching the game, but what he was doing during the game. Guy’s solid. I’m no great talent scout or anything, but I don’t see Blake with the same D chops. Offensively, I’m not sure Hinrich’s better. But, that seemed systemic. I think Hinirch can shoot as well here as Blake does. I love Blake, but Hinrich is better.
He’s an upper level PG in the league. He’s not an all-star, but he’s certainly better than most.
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I think the fact that you "love" Blake
Is part of where we see things differently.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
You don't love Blake?
It’s not love originated from being a great player. It’s the uni.
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agreed
Hinrich is a fine fallback plan, and it would be a bit of an upgrade. But seeing the other stuff going down, I’m primed for something a bit bigger.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
IDK, I think he would fit so well. Who knows how Harris would play with Roy
Don’t get me wrong, if you can get Harris, you do it, but I’d be very happy with Kirk.
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Blake and Outlaw would be a king's ransom for a prince.
or a prince’s ransom for a duke. Or a duke’s ransom for a count.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 25, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Did sumvone szay COUNT?
MWAHAHAHA Vone! I count VONE count!!!
Oh yeah, and I agree. It’s not my money, but if it was I’d want a larger upgrade for my money. Then again, I don’t have all the cool numbers that KP has.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Do you think it'd take that much though?
It sounds like we could have him for a better deal.
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1st round pick, a decent starter and instant-offence/clutch sixth man for a middling PG??!!??
KP would be the one getting slapped in that deal.
Hinrich lost the starting spot to a 20 year old rookie. He’s fine, but not much of an upgrade over Blake. Plus we’d have to pay him a lot more money, which will mean problems re-signing guys like Rudy or Batum if they keep improving.
Currently playing the role of the Atlanta Hawks GM in the Blazersedge.com 2009 NBA Mock Draft.
a 20 year old rookie who happens to the be the first pick. Derrick Rose. He’s pretty darn good.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Przybilla lost his job to Oden.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly.
In fact I believe Joel started more games last season than Greg. That includes games where Oden was active and playing.
And while Joel’s experience makes him better at some things, the numbers show that the team is better when Greg plays. The perception among a lot of fans is that Greg’s game is very developed. They overlook his impact. Oden got his playing time because he earned it, not because he was the 1st pick of the draft.
hakkaa päälle !
my point was that on day one, Oden replaced a very, very solid Przybilla, simply by virtue of being the number one pick. Przybilla only started once Oden was injured and lacked the conditioning to play 30+ minutes.
Number one picks almost always start on day one.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This is your assumption.
As I mentioned to bob below – you don’t know that this was the case. The only support for this line of reasoning is that 1) Oden was the number one pick. 2) Oden started at center the first game of the season. Ipso Facto – he started because he was the number one pick.
If you understood only one thing about Nate, that would probably be that he’s not that sort of coach. I will take any wager that Oden started because in McMillan’s mind Greg could do things at center that no one else on the team could.
hakkaa päälle !
didn’t KP and Nate say that they were starting Greg because of future potential, because hehad a lot of room to grow? That’s a lot like the rational that Chicago used in starting Rose.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That's possible.
But over the course of the season both guys want to play the most effective group of guys every nght. Greg may have gotten an early nod in part because of potential – which is not quite the same as being due to being the first pick – but Joel ended up with the starting job for much of the season.
hakkaa päälle !
Joel only had the starting job when Greg was injured and when he came back late in the season. His foul troubles were so dramatic when he came back that they couldn’t risk starting him.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
no it doesent
Kirk was injured for a good chunk of the season
The Bulls are committed to building around Rose
I just dont see how the Bulls handing the reigns to Rose impugns Hinrich at all.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I'm not knocking Hinrich.
The plain fact is that he is no longer the starting PG for the Bulls. It doesn’t mean he isn’t any good. It only means that he couldn’t win the job back from Rose. That could easily be a testiment to how talented Rose is, rather than a knock on Hinrich.
Arguments that he lost it because Rose was the number one pick are so much BS. While there might have been a small chance that Rose was given an edge because of that, it would not have stayed true if the team played worse with Rose at the helm rather than Hinrich.
hakkaa päälle !
the team did play worse with Rose than Hinrich, by +/- stats.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Rose is infinitely more talented than Hinrich. That's just the way it is.
He can be a top 10 player in the league when all works out.
I think Hinrich would have run the team a lil better of the whole of the year
The starting job was given in order to develop Rose. He took it by reputation and plan, not by merit. Rose will be better and maybe was by the end of last year, but I know for sure that CHI started playing better when Hinrich came back and MUCH better when they got Salmons/Miller.
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Isn't that an assumption?
If you weren’t attending Bulls practices or getting calls from Del Negro and Paxton, how can you know that for a fact. Fans suspect a lot of things, but in the end, it is winning that sells tickets and GM’s and Coaches are unlikely not to put their best guys on the court.
hakkaa päälle !
Not to nitpick, but it's a conclusion based on speculation, thought and reports (that I can't cite, sorry)
An assumption relates more toward base understanding levels. It’s not like I know, and you’re right that I’m basically guessing. But, then again, that’s about all we can do since we’ll never get close enough to these situations to know any better. It’s kind of annoying to be told that we need to be in practice and see these things happen to come up with justified statements. That sets the bar to a level we can’t reach while saying something fun to say.
Maybe next time instead of point out that I’m obviously guessing, you could regard the comment with some esteem and think about whether it makes sense or not. I’d appreciate it in any case.
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by hobobob on Jun 25, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This refers to closing rather than starting games,
But at one point midseason Vinny was opting to sit Derrick and play Kirk to close out games, because Vinny believed that gave the team the best shot at winning. Now, if you ask Bulls fans about it, you’ll get some that agree and some that disagree with Vinny’s take on it being best for winning. However, after 3-4 games of this John Paxson said in a radio interview that he had spoken with Vinny and Derrick would be in to finish games because it was necessary for his development. From that point forward, no matter how Derrick was playing, he played the final minutes of the 4th – probably Kirk sat most often, but sometimes Ben Gordon or John Salmons sat and sometimes Vinny played all 4 to end the game.
Had Derrick not been able to play at a reasonable level I have no doubt Kirk would have started, but Derrick didn’t have to win the job. He was anointed the future of the org from day one.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Cab just backed you up on this.
Your assumption looks better based on his comment above.
hakkaa päälle !
Maybe it wasn't an assumption.
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New uniforms
Colorful, but ugly sweaters!
2 hot 2 stop it
by dan_the_man on Jun 25, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and at the Games theyd require that we gots to try the jello puddin with the nachos
by HurricaneDayne on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
wouldn't it be awesome
if the fans’ take home reward/promotional coupon were something that wasn’t disgusting fast food?
where can you order a Stephen Curry watch??
I want one too
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 25, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm getting the feeling that you aren't the only one
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Magnum, My handle is magnum
My handle came from my name being Mangum and everybody misspelling it, and mispronunciation. When I registered here magnum was taken so I was suppose to go to bbmagnum but that was taken also. Ended up being bbk, my wife’s nickname for me.
bbmagnum because I am not big enough caliber for a 44magnum
see if you didn't say so
I would’ve thought it was a play on PPK, of James Bond fame
but, at this point, why not just go with Mangum? :)
oops
bad burger kid. Not quite as funny. Not that the first one was.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 25, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Ill take some Curry
I'll try anything twice!
by carlitosbonitos on Jun 25, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Curry has that extra kick
that makes even the plainest dish an Indian Sun Dance in the mouth.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
ever seen an "indian" sun dance?
not a pretty sight.
by LicketyBrindle on Jun 25, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t say I’m sold on Curry. I keep thinking JJ Reddick. :-/
by danielfarrell on Jun 25, 2009 4:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Steph’s skinny and not really a defender. I understand the “he’d be great playing next to Roy” take but he basically would duplicate what Blake and Rudy already do
Now, if Steve and/or Rudy were about to be dealt in a blockbuster trade…?
THEN I could see a need for Curry
Oh heck no.
I’ve been pleading for him.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
I don't know
if Curry will be the dynamo that others think he can be.
I'm going to come up with the best line here ever, something really clever.
What happened to complaining about Blake and Sergio's poor D?
Love Curry, but he isn’t going to be a defensive upgrade from what we’ve got.
His game is a lot like Bibby’s, and that is the upside comparison many analysts and scouts see for him. Bibby was never a great defender. If we really like that skillset, we could always sign Bibby and have veteran experience now.
Personally, I’d like some more D and proven ability to set up big-guys in the post.
Currently playing the role of the Atlanta Hawks GM in the Blazersedge.com 2009 NBA Mock Draft.
Kinda Sucks....
I have been looking foreward to today since the season ended, but with the move to the 22nd, I believe we will have to wait atleast another week or so to figure out what the blaze is gonna happen. It should be interesting…. very interesting, and I for one dont want to see Captain Kirk, Id rather leave Blake then bring over the captain.
I'll try anything twice!
by carlitosbonitos on Jun 24, 2009 11:59 PM PDT reply actions
Ooopps...
thenthan bring over the captain
I'll try anything twice!
by carlitosbonitos on Jun 25, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions
Great article on how tight the Blazers front office is with KP, Penn, Buchanan, Born
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/06/frontoffice_band_of_blazers.html
Gives hope for the draft and beyond. And I’m out for the day/night.
My only concern
Is that after too long, your group-think could start to get a little “inbred”
Bringing in a new guy with a different way of thinking about NBA roster-building isn’t always a “bad” thing
Hinrich, GWallace and Hansbrough/Blair?
This is my first post at BlazersEdge, hope I’m putting in the appropriate thread/section.
I’m not that hot on Kirk Hinrich, but if the following scenario played out I would say KP and co. would earn full marks for the offseason. Steve Blake + Diogu TE + 22nd pick for Hinrich and 16th. (Would need to be two separate deals as the TE can’t be combined with other assets, IIRC.)
Chicago sheds some salary, has a more appropriately paid backup PG and moves down a few spots in a relatively even draft. Portland addresses the starting PG situation, moves up to take a guy like Blair or Hansbrough, and still has about 5.5 to 6 mil in cap room to play with. Maybe then we ship out TO and Sergio in a lopsided trade for a guy like Gerald Wallace if CHA is looking to shed salary.
Hinrich, Bayless
Roy, Rudy
Wallace, Webster, Batum
Aldridge, (Blair/Psycho T)
Przy, Oden
I’d say that squad would be the odds on favorite to win the division, if not the conference. But I’m an optimist.
love that lineup but it would take way too much to get to that
by HurricaneDayne on Jun 25, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
That is a championship line up however it's never going to happen.
I would cry tears of joy if it came to fruition.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
Like I said, I'm an optimist
but if the Shaq and Jefferson trades show anything, they show how a team willing to pay the big contracts targets a player on a team where management is looking to save money… anything is possible. Maybe you ship Blair/Hansbrough or even just the pick #16 itself to Charlotte. Throw in $3mil and a future first rounder. Then bring over Freeland or look for a vet like McDyess to fill that backup 4 spot.
It’s that time of year… we have KP, therefore “Anyyyyythhhhhhinnnnngggg iiissss POSSSSSSIBBBBLLEEE!”
by DraftBurglar on Jun 25, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
"Anything" would be more possible
If KP had a large expiring contract to offer, like RLEC?
He may wiggle around this problem, but the 6 mil capspace + 4 mil for Blake/Outlaw isn’t that great of a financial savings, compared to what other GMs have to offer
CURSE YOU Memphis Grizzlies!
I wish we could do that.
It would probabily take quite a bit more to add Wallace. Man I want crash to come to PDX. Is it crazy to kind of want Gortat as a backup 4?
* Building a Greg Oden Fanboy Treehouse Clubhouse this summer...
not at all
I think Gortat would be an ideal backup 4 for our squad. Yes he has been tagged as a 5, but he plays just like we want our backup 4 to play: bruising, physical, good D, in the paint, lunchpail basketball.
by DraftBurglar on Jun 25, 2009 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions
hey nice to see you around
hopefully we can convert more of our O Live brethren (the good ones, that is)
I blame Prez
FYI, the trade exception is irrelevant in that deal
Can’t use it on Hinrich, and don’t need to use it for 16 (no salary).
With Chicago's will to obtain the Nets pick in order to draft Henderson
Could it adversely affect any potential trade with them for us?
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
I like him
and Beaubois (can’t get over those arms). Although at some point we need a proven PG and we’ve got to get off of this constant “let’s draft a PG” merry-go-round.
by DraftBurglar on Jun 25, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
bruin love makes this blazer fan blind
Please oh-please draft Darren Collison. He’s a quick guard that has groomed his game in a defense-oriented team that runs a halfcourt offense. He’s contributed to his team getting to the Final Four three times out of four. He doesn’t dominate the ball. He’s pass-first, but will take the open 3 with a ridiculous percentage. He plays with heart for his team and for the love of the game. (And this might be a stretch… but) he has experience playing with foreign teammates. He comes from a program with rich basketball tradition and recent draft success: Kevin Love, Luc Richard Mbah A Moute, Jordan Farmar, Trevor Ariza.
Mr. Pritchard: Draft this man!
What if we got Lawson and Psycho T?
It’s just crazy, impossible, and unfathomable enough for KP to pull.
The closer we get to the draft, the crazier these posts are going to get by the way.
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Go Blazers!!
Is this a sign?
Chicago has the 16th Pick. Sacramento wants to pick up Detroit’s 15th spot by trading the 23rd and 31st spots. Significance? We just jumped their 23rd pick, and got 22nd.
They know we think they want Casspi, they think we want Hinrich and could possibly get the 16th spot to pick up Blair. Now, hear me out here. They are potentially trying to set themselves up to deal with us by drafting Blair before we can. In order to get Casspi, this would essentially give them better trade positioning for that to happen.
Now if the situation arose and Sacramento gets Detroits’s 15th spot and we pick up Hinrich and Chicago’s 16th, they could possibly ask us for Casspi @ 22 and the 16th spot (or something else) for Blair @ 15. Would that deal be plausible? I think only if we are really intent on picking up Blair. Would Sacramento need to throw another piece in to solidify the deal? Possibly.
Discuss.
I did notice the symmetry
between us jumping them and them jumping us. (I already decided we get 16.)
I'm more excited about the 2nd round
guys like Claver, Boobwah, and Pendergraph are much more interesting to me.
In the 2nd, there is no downside to taking guys like this, because they aren’t really expected to be NBA players.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
+1 on Pendergraph
That guy is a stud, and we can probably get him early in the second round. As for the other picks I hope they get moved in a trade for a vet or simply get used to pick up the rights to a couple Euros to stash.
by DraftBurglar on Jun 25, 2009 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions
DRAFT AND STASH THE EURO TRASH!
that should be what people outside of KP’s office are writing on their cardboard signs. Given that we don’t really need an infusion of young talent, I’m alright with putting these guys to work in Europe for a while. Let ’em marinate.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
Phoenix Sports Talk Radio said yesterday
That the Blazers are VERY interested in Pendergraph, don’t forget Nates ties to ASU Basketball. I’m not sure Pendergraph will still be there in the early 2nd round but he has shown steady improvement and has fantastic character.
by PHXBlazerFan on Jun 25, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
new draft board posted on main page
by Ben Golliver on Jun 25, 2009 6:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I am actually listening to the MSP for once
Just to hear you and Dave.
my biggest pet peeve about radio is that the people talk about dead rumors and don’t really know about the sport. There is no new information, just regurgitation.
I loved the Bedge spot on 95.5 today. Good work on the “He turned 21 this last week” mini-smackdown with Casspi.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks - missed it this morning
Currently playing the role of the Atlanta Hawks GM in the Blazersedge.com 2009 NBA Mock Draft.
On ESPN, Chad Ford just said
that if Blair was available at 22, the Blazers would take him.
If he's there at 22 and the Blazers DON'T take him...
…this site may organize an angry pitchfork and torch mob to storm the practice facility.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
i would
fly in from columbus to join you guys.
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 25, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Only the dumber fans.
Those of us with aleast some intelligence know that well applied small arms fire trumps pitchforks and torches every time.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jun 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh....please don't remind me of that mess.
Rarely has a large section of the Blazer fan base looked less informed about the draft than then.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Crossing my fingers today for Rubio.
I know it’s not the most likely, but that’s what I’m hoping for as long as the deal to get him is reasonable, which I think is possible thanks to the poor NBA economy. If not, I’d be alright with Curry, though not as excited.
As for a more minor move, I’d be just fine if KP does what he can to get DeJuan Blair.
But I really want Rubio and Blair. Make it happen KP!
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Maybe, maybe not
Nate saw Ricky play in Beijing, he’s young but has lot’s of experience playing against men
He’s 6’4" and can DEFEND
I think Nate would be about 50/50. Sergio’s fans would be displeased, though
The defensive reputation of Rubio would help
I still have trouble envisioning Nate getting along with a creative, risktaking, freewheeling PG.
He's not THAT much of a risk taker.
Sure, he’ll throw the occasional errant 50/50 pass, but from what I’ve seen, it’s not at all a common thing. From what I’ve read, he was more prone to those kind of turnovers when he was playing in the pros at 15, but he hasn’t been committing nearly as many turnovers recently. He was a great ball handler and very sure with the ball in the Olympics.
It is becoming a common misconception by people in this city that Rubio is the same as Sergio. It is NOT EVEN CLOSE. The only similarities are that they’re both from Spain and are known for creative passes. Rubio is bigger. Rubio plays excellent defense, far better than Sergio ever could. Rubio has better court vision, better handle, better passing skills and gets to the rim with ease. Outside of his mid-range jumper, there’s not really a weakness in his game.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I think you are overstating a bit. Rubio does not have better court vision, passing skills or a better handle than Sergio. Sergio is absolutely excellent in those areas and Rubio is also very good. The difference is that Rubio is a better halfcourt PG and most significantly can play better D.
Rubio is not going to be finishing at the rim in the NBA and he didn’t particularly do a lot of that in europe.
The defense is the difference.
I don’t think I’m overstating that much, really. Sergio’s court vision is good, but he forces way too many things. You can’t blame all of that of poor decision making. Turnovers are a combination of decision making and abilities. Sergio’s got the skills to make some passes, but there are a number that he just doesn’t have the ability to make. I wish that wasn’t the case, but if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t need another PG right now.
I don’t think you’re gonna see Rubio do a lot of finishing at the rim in the NBA this first season either. Unless he goes to a team with absolutely NO scoring, he’ll probably be learning how to set his teammates up at the higher paced NBA game this year.
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his turnover numbers
at 3.0 a game in the Euroleague do not support that he has totally contained his free wheeling passing.
I would cite his assist to TO ratio of ~2, but it is hard to get assists in europe.
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With regard to Rubio...
… I think he’ll have a tough transition to the NBA. If you watch the clips of him playing it’s generally him making a couple of decent cuts and then going in for a relatively easy finish agains some soft euro. In the NBA, I think the defense is going to stuff his shot A LOT and he’s going to have a more difficult time that some folks are anticipating. Watcing his video he reminds me a lot of Sergio, but taller. He’s okay, but I just don’t see why everyone is so excitied….
It's possible you've seen different clips.
My opinion of Rubio is shaped from watching some clips and watching a few DKV Joventut games when they’re on. All I can say is if all you’re seeing is a taller version of Sergio, then we MUST be watching different video.
I don’t think you’re going to see Rubio driving and trying to score a lot in the NBA, at least not in his first season. This season for him is going to be about adjusting to the speed and figuring out what parts of his game work the best here.
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That's fair...
…. it could be the clips I watched. They were pretty much all YouTube clips of him driving in and finishing with some pretty basic moves that would getting swatted in the NBA for sure. He had a couple of pull up jumpers and a nice pass or two, but it was very Sergio-esque.
I think the charazterization of euros as soft
is from when the NBA was letting bigs murder smalls and europe was a little more hands off then it is now, but the tables have turned and refs let players grab and jostle all the time in europe while the refs in the NBA have clamped down on that.
Hence I dont think Rubio will have as tough as a time scoring in the NBA as people think.
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I think Rubio is going to be an excellent PG in the NBA at some point, alot of people point to his style of play not fitting what the Blazers are doing on offense now. Rubio is more of a pick and roll type PG, much like Nash, and while we don’t really run alot of that now it doesn’t mean we can’t in the future. Oden for one would benefit from it greatly as he’d get the ball more deep in the post and in good position to score, that’d take alot of pressure off of him offensively and probably keep his confidence in himself fairly high which would probably transfer over to the defensive end as well. At the same time it would force teams to collapse on the ball which would free up perimeter shooters. I’m not saying Portland should try to trade up to get Rubio because i’m one of the few who thinks we should probably not make any drastic moves this offseason, but if they were that high on him I wouldn’t shy from it just because he’s better suited to a different offense than what we’ve run in the past. You change your offense around for players with that much talent, especially when you have the talent already on your team to accomodate the change if you wanted.
Calling my shot....
I think the target is Curry. I am not sure that KP can get him though. Minnesota trading up to #5 is a curious move to me. It makes me wonder if they did to ensure that Curry goes through them before he can get to Ptown. KP might have gotten rosterblocked by Mchale, which would make this a sad day. I think if they can’t get curry, they move back and take pendergraph. I wouldn’t be too shocked if both players were on the roster at the end of the day.
plan A Curry and Pendergraph
plan B Lawson and Pendergraph
plan C trade out completely
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KP might have gotten rosterblocked by Mchale
McHale is out, David Kahn is the new GM in Minnesota
Curry duplicates Rudy and Blake, but is shorter
maybe
Blake will be better on D until Curry learns the league and the team’s def rotations
But why draft Steph when he duplicates current Blazers? Unless Blake and/or Rudy are leaving next month?
Because Curry fits perfectly with Roy
it’s like if Rudy had better PG skills (and was a little shorter)…
I blame Prez
....and less athleticism.....
But I see your comparison. I think it would make for an intriguing backcourt. You’re definitely making a statement that the ball is gonna be in Roy’s hands more often than not with this pick, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing.
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the thing that Curry did this year
is show that he can just as effectively with the ball in his hands than without it.
fwiw, Bobby Knight called him the best passer in college basketball this year
I blame Prez
And Knight was so right
When he told Stu Inman not to draft MJ back in ’84, because Jordan played “selfish” in his pre-Olympic camp
CP3 off the proverbial table?
Blake, Rudy, Outlaw, Przybilla, #33, #38 for CP3 and Peja
Blazers $ = 4.6 + 4 +6.3 + 1.1 = $16 Mil
Hornets $ = 4.6 + 13 = $17.6 Mil
Hornets are set to pay $28 Mil in combined salaries to CP3 and Peja next year, with this trade they are only committed to $7.4 Mil for Joel and Rudy. The talent is obviously lopsided BUT….Joel is a quality big and they find someone to take Chandler for a nice piece that would work. And Rudy is almost on Peja’s level after his rookie year. Would the Hornets even CONSIDER something like this?
Blazers lineup would look like this:
Paul / Bayless
Roy / Peja
Batum / Webster
LA / #22
Oden / #22….
…Nuff said
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
We can't do this
I don’t see any way we can afford to get rid of Pryz, Oden is not reliable enough (Injuries/Stats) to bank the future on him yet.
by PHXBlazerFan on Jun 25, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
You would honestly turn that trade down? Seriously?
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Two years ago
I would’ve derided this as some sort of fantasy-land pipe dream.
Now? How many all-stars have we seen shipped off for nothing more than cutting payroll?
Gasol, Billups jump out, and more recently Shaq and Richard Jefferson, and countless others that have been clearly on the table.
We still haven't seen anything on this level.
Gasol’s a great player, but he’s no CP3 game changer. Billups is solid, but they took AI in the trade. They knew they’d be worse, but they still got solid talent. Shaq is good, but a shadow of his former self, a very big one, though. RJ just isn’t in the same league.
I wouldn’t put money on something like this happening, but don’t consider it impossible. That said, we’ve not seen anything like this kind of deal before (that I can think of).
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by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 25, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No hesitation
I’d throw in Batum & Bayless to make it happen
by 2005TelfairJerseyForSale on Jun 25, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont see anyway NOH do this
who are people going to come to see?
It would also be unprecedented to see the best pg in the league traded before he is in his prime.
It makes sense financially in relation to the cap, but not in real dollars coming into Shinn.
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Well, if he wants people not to come in order to move his team
then this would be a good way to do it. Oddly enough this could be the most rational move Shinn could make. New Orleans population is not big enough to support that team. It’s long term health doesn’t look good. But, with Paul there, they’re treading water, but just. The sooner they get to a new city, the sooner they can become financially stable. Thus, moving Paul becomes rational because you can’t move a team treading water, and Paul’s the only reason they are.
Still, having Paul on my team would mean more to me than my financial stability, but that’s probably why I’m not rich and own a team.
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To reiterate my point
New Orleans population recently topped 300,000. That’s small. Seriously, I don’t think people realize how small this city is now.
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who cares if it is small
if you are making money
NO is being force fed by the government so it is a growing economy as well. Until Shinn starts losing money the NOH will be in NO
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A little disingenuous...
The metro area is a somewhat larger 1.1 million.
Even if the team was sold (rather than simply moved), selling your best asset just torpedoes the value of the franchise.
yeah
but they made money last year and set attendance records. That is the kind of treading Shinn will do.
I would say trading CP3 would severely bite into that.
Also, who is going to take that franchise away from them? He may sell it, but if being in a small market and having some bad seasons makes the NBA take away your franchise then the Bucks would have been some where else by now.
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They're not going to take it away, but there are plenty of cities that could support an NBA team
New Orleans was a different place when they moved there. That city is so hard pressed it’s ridiculous. Seriously, think about an NBA team in a city with 300,000 people. They don’t have a sports culture. Great city, but it’s bad for the team.
They made money last year, but diminishing returns will kick in unless they can improve on their playoff success of two years ago. How’s that going to happen unless they start spending more money? Shinn’s shown a reluctance to go beyond where he’s at now.
I doubt this happens too, but it’s a pretty rational play to move Paul once you think you’re profits peaked and are heading into the red. That’s likely coming soon. Accelerate losses, make your situation seem hopeless (the Bennett playbook) and get the team to a place that can support it long term.
I do think you’re right, though, that the timing is off. He can tread a while longer.
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That's a great idea, but does Seattle really need another bad owner?
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I'd do that in a heart beat. I hope, hope hope.
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Blair?
I like this guy a lot but he’s about 6-5 barefoot, shorter than Broy. The rebounding monster in NCAA may not be so monstrous against stronger, taller, quicker, smarter NBA players. Team’s going to be better next year with no changes, so I say don’t need much, just a couple improvements, so don’t give up much.
- Lawson
- Pendergraph
- maybe Hansbrough or Casspi
- plus a vet (PG, PF or SF)
Bye to Serg, Frye, Outlaw, benchies and maybe even Bayless
Do you remember Larry Johnson?
Grand-mama? The first pick in the ’91 draft?
That’s DeJuan Blair. The Blazers could use him. DB’s would be a perfect “compliment” to LMA’s length at the PF
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He was a force, like Barkley and about same size. But not 6-5. Plus Barkley was and is meaner than both. Kersey was only a 6-7 boardmaster too. Players are bigger, quicker, stronger 18 years later. If we (sorry, they) end up with Blair, I wouldn’t be down about it – better than Frye.
by retrofuture on Jun 25, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont really see the same comparison
before his knees went out in charlotte, Larry Johnson was a dynamic scorer, rebounder and an amazing athlete.
Blair is a great rebounder. the other two attributes do not apply
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Fortunately for Blair, people don’t rebound with the top of their head, they rebound with their hands. And actually, the compact torso/legs but long arms is an advantage rebounding. That means your center of gravity is lower and you can push guys around more easily. Round mound of rebound anyone?
Blair’s wingspan is 7’ 2" Blair’s reach is 8’ 10.5"
This is a measure of how far you can reach to grab rebounds- what relevence does the height of his head matter?
For comparison purposes Blake Griffin, the no.1 prospect and PF in the draft is listed at 6’8.5 w/o shoes 6’10" with shoes.
He has a wingspan of 6’ 11.25" and reach of 8’ 9"
So in basketball terms Blair is actually ‘taller’ than the near 6’10" Blake Griffin.
OK, OK
Agree span and reach is more important, and like I said, I personally like the guy, good character, energy, etc. A few inches of head height is more important for a QB but still has some value in a low down crowd. And I do like the contrast with LMA, just to mix it up or optimize match-ups. Blair, or a even Hansbrough or Pendergraph would def be workhorse upgrades from Frye or Outlaw.
by retrofuture on Jun 25, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
rebounding is one of the few things that translate in the NBA
and the myth that undersized pf cant play in the NBA is being seriously challenged by the MaxSaps of the association.
Also, he is about 6’5" tall, but he is all 6’5" wide which makes for a pretty good box out.
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uh…. Curry? I dunno.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm, so maybe the OKC rumors are fake?
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Rubio is really hard to predict
Sactown Royalty posts say the owners love him, but the front office isn’t so sure and pretty split on who they like.
Well, according to this article posted in the other thread
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-draftbuzz062409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
It looks like Sacramento might just not be interested at all. If he falls past Sacto, you can bet there will be a bidding war for that #5 pick that Minny has.
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I get it......but I don't get it.
I can understand that there’s the whole contract brewhaha they have to deal with before he comes over, but I’m betting that will get resolved pretty easily. I could be wrong, but when supremely talented players want to come to the NBA these days, they tend to hold the cards.
And Rubio would be a great addition to the Kings. He fits their style of play really well, and he’d make guys around him that much better (though he’d do that on any team.) It’s also a real position of need for the Kings. It fits all around, but I guess that’s not how they wanna play it.
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It's management needing to improve this year
Their contracts are up and if they don’t show dramatic improvement this year, it’s over for them. It’s thought that Rubio is the best long-term PG prospect, but that because of short term concerns (language, bad chemistry in current locker room), Rubio wouldn’t do much for them. It’s sort of an organizational flaw. I’d expect ownership to demand a pick here.
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Curry seems like a great fit. Can Medina make him a bit stronger though?
I blame Prez
brian cardinal
any of the contracts they just got from Washington
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trading for ammo?
With the recent rumors of all the other teams trying to move up into the lottery, I am starting to wonder if we aren’t trying to move into the lottery to trade what we get there. I just don’t see us being all that interested in anything up there. Maybe Curry? Maybe Rubio? But when I start hearing about Houston trying to move up and unload McGrady (with BE favorites like Landry and Battier surfacing as potential cohorts on the trade docket), I start wondering if we might try to pull a three team deal where team X (maybe the T-wolves) ends up with McGrady/Sergio/Outlaw, Houston ends up with a lottery pick and some other players. We end up with Landry/Battier. Obviously this requires more thought to make it work. I just put it forward as the kind of thing I see as far more likely if we move up.
by unemployedreflection on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
That's my guess
and hope.
Unfortunately it looks like, after dropping in the mocks, he has steadily moved up well into the lottery – some speculation now he’ll go in the top three.
ugh, could be too hard to get him…
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by musicdaniel on Jun 25, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
WWCFB? (Where would Channing Frye be?)
With all the talk of this being a weak draft, with a dearth of long players, consider this: if Channing Frye were available for this draft — today — where would he be on the board?
After you have answered that question for yourself, what do you think the chances are that the Trailblazers will make him a qualifying offer, and then match any offers that CF receives, with a secret dollar limit known only in the front office above which the TB will not go. Signing Frye would sacrifice some room for signing other free agents, but would provide trade options over the summer as other teams (hello, Houston!) start looking at rosters with too few seven-footers to start the season with.
A BIRD told me that we might be getting CP3
Who knows if its true but blazers would trade 22nd, bayless and outlaw for him…. dont think so but what a trade that would be!!
I have a rule about trades. If you add the PERs of one side of the trade and they don’t even equal one player on the other side of the trade, it probably won’t happen.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about my CP3 trade proposal above
does that pass your rule?
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
lol, yeah. I still don’t think any deal for CP3 happens. Maybe if we traded Roy for him… but that’s a long-shot.
It’s not even all about basketball. If Shinn trades CP3, his franchise is worth less.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
and hypothetically speaking
any “realistic” trade for CP3 basically devoids you of all talent to where the team you get isn’t even a title contender any more.
I blame Prez
We will acquire Rubio, then flip him for CP3
by Norsktroll on Jun 25, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
not saying its true, but would we be championship contenders then???
I think so, but CP3 like to have the ball in his hands alot like Roy. I think we are all going to say that about all good guards, so why dont we just fix our problem and have Roy at the point. I know it wont happen because it will take a toll on him over the season, but then we would have a huge (tall) starting 5 in the league!!
It won't happen, but I'm almost certain adding the best point guard in the league is a good thing for any team :-)
by Norsktroll on Jun 25, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It won’t happen, but I’m almost certain adding the soon to be best point guardin the leagueever is a good thing for any team :-)
fixed.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, and I remember that Olympic team not having
a great deal of difficulty with CP3 and LeBron and/or Kobe on the same floor.
I think people also view Paul as a horrible ballhog because of the offense New Orleans runs. It’s predicated on him having the ball half the time. Plus, what other players on NO can dribble? Butler? Peja? Chandler? Pretty much just Paul and West.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Roy and CP3
Would both have to adjust, but they are more than capable.
We must be dying for the draft to come… spending this many minutes discussing CP3 as a Blazer!
no kidding. He’s going to end up as one of the top two point guards of all time. He’s not coming to Portland.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
After seeing them together in the ASG
I don’t think it’d take long to adjust. And it’s worth talking about for as long as anyone will talk to me about it. It’s fun to day-dream. Let’s be clear that that’s what’s happening though. Do dreams come true? Is anything possible?
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Didn't they need to win by 3 to make a difference?
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no
that was a semi-final game…final game sunday vs Brazil.
just to get to the semis, the USA had to beat Egypt by 3, which they did, and Brazil had to beat Italy by 3, which they did.
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by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 25, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
YES, I would bet on winning a championship next year if we added CP3
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if shinn trades CP3, the franchise withers and dies
"We really don't reference the rulebook." ~Joe Borgia, NBA VP of referee operations, to Henry Abbot regarding the calling (or lack thereof) of traveling.
Then again, what does that say about a franchise...
…when the only thing keeping it in town is a player?
Shinn really needs to sell the team to someone who cares anyway. Both him and Sterling.
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He needs to move
NO cannot support a team without fever pitched fans. That level of support simply won’t last long, and those people have serious things to spend money on and a lot of distraction other than sports.
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The Horents are withering and dying....
I don’t see them doing anything for the next few seasons and by then they will be out of new Orleans. They missed their window and I hope their GM sees that now and makes the trade! They won’t leave the first round anytime soon.
Exactly why he'd do it.
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maybe
But that is a big overhaul for the blazers and I don’t see KP wanting an old SG like Peja and picking a couple of players in this draft that will have good amount of minutes as back up’s in the PF and C position. especially since this is a weak draft!
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by unemployedreflection on Jun 25, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
NBADraft.Net has him dropping to 22nd.
Jennings to Portland??? I don’t know that I like that. I think he’s got some serious issues.
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And at the same time...
Draftexpress has him moving up the Bucks at 10:
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/
Will be fun to watch.
this draft is unreal!!!
I can’t remember a draft like this one in a long time, where only the #1 pick is a for sure take and the rest players can go from 5 all the way down to 22?!?! This is where the GM’s of the league make their money. I bet we draft at 22 but now way are we keeping that player.
Insurance on Martell
I thought about this during the season and emailed it to the courtside show but at the time they still thought that martell was going to comeback so they didnt really answer the question. so lets see if anyone knows on here.
Since martell only played 5 minutes this last season, won’t the blazers get insurance money(2 million) to use this offseason for a free agent? just like Ref contract so instead of 7.5 mil. wouldnt it be 9 or so million? or is that figured in already?
I dont think insurance money
affects the cap space, just wallet space.
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whats the difference???
so lets say the cap is 20. we had 12 with martell and now with the insurance we are at 10. same difference right??? no?
no
his contract counts against our salary cap. the only thing insurance does is pay Martell his money rather than Paul Allen writing a check.
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nope
the cap # is the same only we didnt have to pay all of his salary out of pocket.
That was part of the beauty of RLEC is that teams would get the expiring cap number, but would have to pay very little in actual dollars to get it due to insurance.
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Does anyone know
how OKC landed Phoenix’s 2010 unprotected first round pick? I cant remember any deals so I am assuming Phoenix sent it out and then it bounced around and eventually landed in OKC
Damn that is a nice pick to be holding. definitely top 20 next year.
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Phoenix traded Kurt Thomas and two first round picks to OKC for cap space.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
wow that move is looking stupid now
Why do you throw an unprotected pick on that? mind boggling.
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such is the genius of Steve Kerr.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
becuase
When teams need to cut money they will do anything.. remember, this IS a business. Every team in the league can’t have an owner that does this for fun and not profit. Thats why we are really lucky to have an owner like Paul
but he made the pick unprotected is the point. why not just stick a lottery protection on it?
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe thats they only way go get rid of shaq…. we are not in the talks…. we just see the final result
this was in a different deal. He gave Presti two UNPROTECTED first round picks to take Kurt Thomas. You never see unprotected picks traded like that.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 25, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
ooohhhh.......
then I dont know what to tell you… maybe their BFF’s…. lol
well then
Kerr did play for the blazers, so maybe he owes Paul a favor and would trade Stoudemire for the 22nd and outlaw…. haha. its where amazing happens!
Presti said "You don't want to protect the pick"
Kerr: “I don’t want to protect the pick”
Presti: “This pick will never be valuable. Phoenix will be in the playoffs forever”
Kerr: “This pick will never be valuable. Phoenix will be in the playoffs forever”
Presti hanging up the phone: “The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded”
by Norsktroll on Jun 25, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha ha, Ben is going insane
Top 20 talent movin around the league it’s cool tho we good with blake smh #LGKP
i am getting really mad. and its because my worst fears are coming true
kp does nothing.
what a chump
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Agreed. The Blazers can't stand pat with Blake. They just can't.
Keep him as a backup if you want, or even just make Roy the point or something, but don’t leave Blake as the starting PG, please!
Yes! Yes! In the face!
The worst thing you can do when making a decision is to think you must do something
It’s never ever ever the case. THERE IS ALWAYS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY! Barring a blockbuster, we’re not winning the championship next year. None of the trades so far have been for young talent. We’re in good shape.
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That's a valid point and definitely something to consider.
Of course, there are plenty of options out there for Portland right now that are better than Blake. I really hope KP is looking at all of them closely. If he really feels there’s nothing better, then I guess that’s alright for this season. But at some point, something will have to change.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
If we're going to win a championship
But, that may not happen. I’m okay rooting for a good team with an outside shot. If there’s nothing there, there’s nothing there. Getting angry about it and calling KP out for shyness just seems petty and bratty.
The impatience of normally very thoughtful folks is just getting to me. I know they’re probably just excited, but seriously, a little loyalty is due. We’re starting to sound like we spilled some milk.
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You best have patience to be a Blazer fan with KP
He has pulled rabbit after rabbit out of his hat on draft day 3 years in a row and no doubt knows exactly what he is doing. The thing is – these moves were unanticipated by the fans and likely by his fellow GM’s. That is the way it must be to get the job done? It appears to be his MO and in my opinion KP is definitely NOT a chump.
Nothing
may mean he is not a chump.
so far, the other GMs may want too much from the Blazers for what we get in return.
doing nothing may be the only reasonable action.
and the draft is only crawling this year, July 1st is more important this year.
This site is gonna go OFFF
in a lil bit, im about to go to class. and have it till 330!! then its DRAFT TIME. woot woot.
(BIG MOVES, here we come)
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
Relax. If it's there it'll happen
If it’s not there, well then what else could happen. RJ wasn’t winning us any championships
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Does anyone know what time teams start picking?
Coverage is 7:30 ET but when do they start picking?
I’m assuming 8:00 ET but can anyone confirm.
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by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jun 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions
Hollinger thinks the draft will be quiet for the Blazers
Kevin Pritchard (Portland)
I’m curious if you can guess what Pritchslap I have in store for tonight?
John Hollinger
I think tonight might be quieter than you think. the real action for the Blazers starts July 1. I’m guessing the Blazers will trade another second-round pick before the night’s over though, and probably will be involved in a few other minor deals. Currently Pritchard and Daryl Morey are neck-and-neck in the battle for “most second-round picks exchanged by a single general manager with one team,” so we’ll see how the scoreboard looks at the end of the night.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Last year was a lot quieter than anyone expected as well.
And I think it worked out pretty well looking back at it.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
Set the record KP
We’re behind you.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
ugggg
for the 10000000000 time.. can we PLEASE stop with the Pritchslap stuff?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 25, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
how about a pritch tap? or pritch nudge?
by HurricaneDayne on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds tuff and snappy but...
it’s a bad term by derivation from b#@chslap. More importantly, it gives Pritchard a bad rep as someone to NOT make deals with. This cheap derogatory term has gotten out, I’m sure, and not in the Blazers best interests. Time to move on to more stealth.
I asked holly this
Alex (Rip City)
Is Hinrich an upgrade to Blake? and at what cost?John Hollinger
Definitely an upgrade — better shooter, better creator, and VASTLY better defender who can cover tough 2s and allow Roy to take an easier assignment. I love Blake as a backup, but he’s stretched as a starter.
by FrenchToast on Jun 25, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
good question
I was hoping he would answer mine, but he hasn’t
“What’s the over/under on the number of times Blazer fans use the term “Pritchslap” today?"
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Another from the Hollinger chat
John Hollinger
Sorry, had to take the call there- there’s a BIG trade brewing -
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
it's just a vince carter trade
nevermind, go back to your regularly scheduled programming
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
As importantly
Carter to Magic likely means no Hedo resigning. That could make him PDX-bound.
Not sure how I would feel about that.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 25, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty confident in saying that we aren't going to draft a PG today.
Mainly because of Nate, I’m pretty set on Hinrich but a FA PG or one currently in the league is most likely going to come over if we decide to pick up a PG. The backup PF is most likely going to be drafted. I’m nearly sure of this. No big waves of trades most likely until July 1st.
My Cavs bias hopes Turkey leaves and VC replaces him rather than obtain both.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
I'm with you
Backup PF, Pendergraph or Hansbrough depending on what happens with the first round pick. I think it gets moved as part of some other deal that nabs us a veteran PG or starting SF.
I think they wait to see who drops out of the top
KP is good with those dropping players. Last year Bayless and Darrell Arthur.
"we" may be waiting to see who drops
but KP and his staff know who’s gonna drop beforehand, they may even know who it will be right now as we type
They do mocks just like everyone. Only a lot of them.
Mark Cuban tweeted on their mock some interesting guys are dropping.
would buying another late first rounder (OKC at 25?)
make it easier to move up into the lottery?
I blame Prez
Another link from Hoopsworld
From Bill Ingram this afternoon:
Portland At It Again
Once again the Portland Trail Blazers have thrown a monkey wrench into everyone’s mock drafts, though this time it came one the evening before the big event instead of in the middle of the whole thing.
and:
If you’re taking stock, as we are, you’ll notice that the Blazers seem to be stockpiling small forwards. They already have Nicolas Batum, Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster on their roster . . .meaning Casspi would be number four. There’s been a lot of talk about the team possibly trading Outlaw, and while they’ve denied that, it’s clear something’s got to give at the three. The Blazers also have Magic free agent Hedo Turkoglu and Lakers free agent Trevor Ariza at three and four on their free agent board.
It’s not a stretch to say the Blazers trade at least one of their small forwards in an effort to land one of the point guards they covet. Philadelphia free agent Andre Miller is at the top of their wish list, and we’ve heard rumblings that they may be close to a deal with Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, as well.
Other teams that have discussed drafting Casspi are the San Antonio Spurs, New Jersey Nets and Sacramento Kings, so the Blazers could be planning on dangling him to one of those teams as a potential trade piece. One thing’s for sure – the Blazers aren’t finished dealing. Not by a long shot.
One thing’s for sure – the Blazers aren’t finished dealing. Not by a long shot
Hopefully, this guy’s right
I don't expect the blazers to make an major moves today
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
I don't either
We may be better off if we don’t, but it so much more fun when we do. Anything to break the monotony of the off season.
yes
if amare gets moved steve nash would have to be on the table you’d think
by BlazerHooligan on Jun 25, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Why all the push to make trades?
All of the Blazers are still young, growing and developing and getting better every year.
Why not keep this group together and only bring in players on the edges? Our team has about 4 openings after our core players. We do need to keep bringing in young talent to challenge even our great guys.
Chicago got impatient a few years ago and blew up a promising team. Besides whenever you trade, the other guy is trying to rob you. Trades are much more difficult then most here think.
Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)
In my opinion at least
the team needs to make a significant step up on defense. Allowing our current group of players to gain more experience will likely not lead to that improvement.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
Improvement at point guard and backup PF
adding toughness and physiciality to the roster
If the Blazers have been talking about these things, why shouldn’t we expect some moves?
how do you mean
that the Bulls blew up their team?
I would say they let their talent sour more than anything.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
How about
#22, Blake and Outlaw to Chi for Hinrich and #16. Chicago drafts Casspi and stashes him in Europe. Blazers draft either DeJuan Blair or Psycho-T.
Then Blazers go after Turkoglu.
i like that up to the turk part, but i don't think it'll happen
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
just saw on draft express Portland is close to sending Sergio and #37 to Sacramento for the #31… is that all Sergio can net us?!?
I was just about to post the same thing
I’m not really surprised. What should we expect for a mediocre backup pg, especially with a pg-heavy draft?
2 hot 2 stop it
I think everyone in the world knows that Sergio wants out
Therefore, there’s a big drop in any bargaining power..
Wonder twin powers activate!
Form of a PG who can’t pass!
Form of a PG who can’t shoot!
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Jun 25, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Game, although Quick only goes on The Fan
(Im a little biased, I work at the Game)
Tony Luftman Is an Animatronic Robot created by Cyberdyne Industries for the purpose of the destruction of the entire human race, no one shall be spared.
Good luck, guys!
Hope you’re all happy at the end of the night, no matter how unlikely that is. ;)
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
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by bowdown on Jun 25, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
thank you
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