Blazers Trade Up To #22
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
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Those of you who, like me, voted to trade up from the #24 spot have gotten your wish. Kinda sorta.
Via ESPN.
The Portland Trail Blazers agreed to trade the 24th, 56th and worst of their second round picks in 2010 to the Dallas Mavericks on Wednesday for the 22nd pick in Thursday's NBA draft, according to a league source.
Full Press Release from the Team.
The Portland Trail Blazers moved up two spots in the 2009 NBA Draft, acquiring the 22nd overall selection from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for the 24th pick, 56th pick, and a second-round pick in 2010, it was announced today by General Manager Kevin Pritchard.
With Wednesday's transaction, the Trail Blazers now hold the 22nd, 33rd, 38th and 55th overall selections in Thursday's NBA Draft.
The 2010 second-round pick sent to Dallas will be the worse of the two picks Portland currently owns in next year's NBA Draft, which are the team's own selection and Chicago's. The Trail Blazers acquired the Chicago pick in a three-way draft day trade in 2008.
The Blazers hopped over the Sacramento Kings who have the #23 pick.
The team's second round picks were widely thought to be on the block but I'm not sure analysts realized EXACTLY how worthless they turned out to be in this weak draft. Wow.
As mentioned above, and clarified from earlier, the team still holds 3 second round picks this year. They have traded one of their 4 second round picks this year and one of their second round picks in next year's draft.
Some possible explanations for this relatively minor move up the draft board...
- If rumors that the Blazers are looking to draft-and-trade Omri Casspi on behalf of another team late in the first round are true, this could function as insurance for obtaining Casspi.
- In a number of mock drafts (including Draft Express's currently), Sacramento selects a point guard in the #23 position. If, for some reason, the Blazers do decide to keep the #22 pick and draft a point guard, this might give them a better chance of securing their point guard target, who might not have lasted to #24.
- Of course this could also simply be a minor building block to sweeten a larger trade package. (Knock on wood)
I guess we should probably dub this a Pickflip, which kind of half-rhymes with Pritchslap.
Let's Go Kevin Pritchard. LG KP
Update: Here's Chad Ford's take, which echoes much of what I wrote above and throws DeJuan Blair's name into the mix as well.
Why would the Blazers move up two spots in the draft? The word around the league was the Kings had zeroed in on Omri Casspi with the 23rd pick. Casspi could be a good pick for the Blazers to either keep or bring over this year to provide more toughness in the frontcourt.
Other potential targets for the Blazers could be Florida's Nick Calathes, Pittsburgh's DeJuan Blair, Georgetown's DaJuan Summers and VCU's Eric Maynor.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Too Picks UP
On occasion, can be just as important as 2 inches, or even 2 dress sizes.
The Oden Era, Day 734
Too many picks...
we can’t keep all this guys and each inch up we move makes the likelihood of getting who we want go up.
double down those two picks and move on up KP
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
well, we certainly had more picks than we knew what to do with
the question is who’s available at 22 that we couldn’t get a 24.
unless they know someone who wants that spot and use it for another packaged deal
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, it's a pretty bland deal.
I, however, would’ve preferred it Kevin Pritchard had packaged the #55 and #56 picks in this deal instead of either one of the 2010 second-round draft picks.
According to Draft Express the answer to your question is Eric Gaynor
Perhaps the simplest answer is the right one. Perhaps the Blazers prefer Gaynor to Collison. Maybe they have a bigger plan, but the back-up plan, or the back-up to the back-up plan, may be to use the pick to draft the best available PG.
Gaynor is a bit bigger than Collison and a bit more of a penetrating scorer. Both guys are 4 year college players. Are any of you familiar with Gaynor’s game beyond what Draft Express gives us? Any opinions on my proposed theory?
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Brain is malfunctioning obviously I meant Maynor and typed Gaynor about three times. Apologies.....
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Rams!!!!! I’m a Richmonder, lovin the VCU
by danielfarrell on Jun 24, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you know about Maynor?
How would you compare him to Collison?
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Maynor
Simmons and Chad Ford go off about him in Simmons podcast from yesterday. Both call him their favorite “sleeper” pick.
Maynor is a nice player. He’s good all around. He’s got a good shot, can penetrate, and makes good passes. I rate him a little higher than Collison but Collison’s defense on the final play of his college career kept him from hitting the game winner.
My biggest concern is that the level of play is about to step up considerably for him. Collison is the best PG he played against in college.
by danielfarrell on Jun 24, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Maynor still scored a bunch in that game against UCLA....
……that was one of a very few NCAA games I watched all year. VCU almost upset UCLA. The Bruins tried about four different guys to try to stop Maynor.
Perhaps seeing the one on one battle between Maynor and Collison has given KP a preference. It would be a simple explanation for an otherwise somewhat odd trade. The other possibility is that they are hoping to trade up further and their target partner is interested in Maynor.
It does strike me that this is a bit unusual for KP. If KP was targeting Maynor and wanted to steal him out from under the Kings, wouldn’t he wait till the last minute to announce the deal with Dallas? By announcing it ahead of time, the Kings may have a chance to move up as well.
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree that Maynor outplayed Collison in that game. He’s a gamer for sure and could be a quality starter in the association in a couple years. I think Bayless has a much higher ceiling personally.
by danielfarrell on Jun 24, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed on Bayless
I do think if we are going to draft another PG, drafting a four year player is a good idea. I want someone who is a little more developed and is less risky.
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Maynor is going to be a solid guard in the NBA
Possible sleeper definitely. But I think his frame and athletic ability (or lack there of) are not going to make him any where near the Sam Cassel rendition that some ESPN pundits are making him out to be. Good back up at least. Plus I live in VA would love to see a local kid do well in the big leagues.
She lives in my lap
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
I think he meant Gloria Gaynor.
We will survive this draft.
by Timmay! on Jun 24, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
KP is a chess player
e4 moving his king’s pawn is the most popular opening move in chess.
That´s also the first move of the Spanish Opening.
Way to go for Rubio.
by amlmart1 on Jun 24, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or
sicillian, kings gambit, philidor, scotch game, caro-kann, scandinavian, alekhine, pirc, etc…..
But this looks more like a queens pawn opening, where there’s some quiet manuevering to gain a positional advantage, and THEN the tactical bloodbath begins. :)
"We really don't reference the rulebook." ~Joe Borgia, NBA VP of referee operations, to Henry Abbot regarding the calling (or lack thereof) of traveling.
Hmm..
It’s an interesting trade to say the least. I don’t think moving up two spots is going to secure us a player that we couldn’t get before, but it could be very useful in making a trade with another team(pss..Chicago!).
PWN
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 24, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
it's strange to see you here...i'm in the wrong place too...
see ya later
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
when I said trade up or trade out
this is not what I had in mind
First pebble that starts the landslide? Or another Diogu for Ruffin snooze-fest?
It's always fun watching KP set up some deals
I have a feeling this whole offseason is going to be interesting
by you have my axe on Jun 24, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions
this place explodes for Ruffin and the 22. What happens when a real deal happens with how big the site has gotten. Man…………………
draft dejuan blair
well let's see . . .
we had 366 posts when the SPURS made a trade. I’d say we’ll easily have 1500 posts if the Blazers make a trade of that size and scope. – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
It'll be like the last Mt. St. Helens eruption
Starts with a huge bang and then slows to a relative trickle for 3 1/2 years before finally going dormant again
Blazers win!
Nah, it'll be even more explosive than that.
I’m thinking on the scale of a Yellowstone supervolcano eruption.
do you know why the Mayans predicted
12/21/12 as the end of the world?
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Because they ran out of space on that rock
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
I assume some priest got bored and said “okay guys, I think that is long enough into the future. No need for perfectionism, this project is finished”. Happens all the time.
they went overbudget
and had to discontinue the project
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Wasn't it the spurs who wanted Batum last year?
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
Is this a joke
or a prelude to something bigger like maybe trading the 22nd pick and another 2nd round pick to move up to the 21st pick?
by torsoheap on Jun 24, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Pritchard
In this case, KP Pritch-slapped himself. My God, all those picks for 2 spots?? Not a lot of talent difference between #22 and 24.
Then, we can’t take much younger players. It doesn’t hurt that much.
we weren't gonna use 56 anyway
pick had about a 0 percent chance of making the roster. Why not get whatever we can out of it?
I agree there’s a plan. Don’t think we’d be doing this just to dump it for salary cap purposes
"When jumpers are outlawed only Outlaw will take jumpers"-LoadedOrygun
by DominicanAvenger on Jun 24, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
those second round picks are almost absolutely worthless
anything at all for them is something
"We really don't reference the rulebook." ~Joe Borgia, NBA VP of referee operations, to Henry Abbot regarding the calling (or lack thereof) of traveling.
the late 2nd round picks
55 and 56 are almost worthless. but 33 has a lot of value
fire nate before its too late
Yes!!! Another Pritchslap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 22nd pick is worth as least the 24th pick and the 55th.
we threw in a pick next year too
formerly fromagnon... I remember back in the day... way back before you young cats were around, back when I ruled the jersey contest... back when it meant something... back when hip-hop was alive
BLAM
by The Arkitect on Jun 24, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That second rounder next year will be the 60th pick though.
Pretty much worthless. (I’m assuming this deal gets us the best record.)
Maybe to sweeten a deal with Da Bulls?
by southern oregon on Jun 24, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If I heard the rumor, I don't think it's happening
Name one person who called the trades from yesterday.
Omri Casspi?
Seems like this could be KP’s backup plan. If his true PritchSlap doesn’t land home then maybe they were bigger on Casspi they let on, and didn’t want to risk the Mav’s or King’s grabbing him.
I was thinking the exact same thing...
several mock drafts out there (including nbadraft.net- one I don’t always trust) have him going to the Kings at 23.
by The Graduate on Jun 24, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
could use casspi as a trade asset once attained, packaged with sergio and trade exeption other players etc. who the hell knows?
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
Blair
ROFL, people think the Hornets are pick Blair. Hornets pick at #23. I think Blair is the target he KP stays at #22.
KP is far from finished.
Corrected
Yeah, I meant Sacramento. According to Draft Xpress, they are going to target Eric Maynor at #23.
I was sacramento GM Casspi was a favorite at 23
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 24, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a blockbuster
but really, who selected at #56 would have a real shot at making the roster? So why not use that #56 to move up a couple of spots? I don’t think this is part of a bigger deal, just moving up two spots because the higher you are in the draft the move flexibility you have.
+1
this move was a no brainer. Even if it is not part of a bigger prearranged deal, 2 spots provides more options. And the price was pretty low.
Doesn’t matter where someone is picking in the draft…when the draft rolls around you’ll always wish you were at least one or two picks higher.
Agreed
Also, the second round picks are close to worthless, particularly for the Blazers who aren’t really looking to get a lot younger. All the extra picks we have now aren’t really useful for anything other than this kind of trade, or drafting a bunch of guys and sending them to Europe or the D-League with the hopes that someday they get good enough to play in the NBA.
Solid move to turn those picks into something of value and put yourself in the situation of being slightly more desirable of a trade partner with someone else.
Pritch's Brain
Either KP got wind of someone the King’s wanted that he was keeping in the wings as his backup plan or this is the first of a multi layered cake.
42+ comments in the first 17 minutes of a trade that moves us up two spots. A real trade would probably crash the site.
I shudder at the thought of the site crashing!
what would I do until they got it up again? probably lie in the fetal position, garnering odd looks from my coworkers
Blazers win!
You'll do what we do every time the site crashes
Stare at that little goofy icon guy while the site says it’ll be back shortly. :)
yeah hopefully that’s the backup plan. twitter can be spazzy tho lol
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
they offered Sergio instead of the 2nd round 2010 picks but they said NO
trade #fail
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The Princess of Blazersedge
by BlazerFan1 on Jun 24, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Why would they want Sergio anyways?
All he can do is flip dimes like Kidd in his prime… with playing time that is….
About the only downside I see is the lack of offense that would keep them from taking him, seriously.
Blazers win!
Yep. I'm feeling a bit blah that Sergio's last full day as a Blazer is probably today
His bad rap here is over the top.
i never said it was whole
but seriously .
we cant just GIVE away sergio, can we?
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The Princess of Blazersedge
No, but if he doesn't want to play here what are we supposed to do
he could end up bringing the guys down in the locker room when we are having a great season next year
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
i think they should just claim he's medically unfit to play
baSED on his mental health.
lol and waive him
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The Princess of Blazersedge
He never said he didn't want to play here
He just said he feels he’s going to be traded and that He doesn’t feel Nate likes him
Blazers win!
okayyyy
then change “he doesn’t want to play here” to “he’s rather play somewhere else”
same difference
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
I remember a line in a Marca article
That I translated as"Portland is not willing to give Sergio the playing time he has earned[deserves?] and are not going to change their style of play to accomodate his skills[talent?].We are talking about a guy who is not good enough to make the Spanish team.
by southern oregon on Jun 24, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Olympic team, and they went with Rubio over Sergio thinking it would put them on top
He’s still on the national team, just didn’t make the roster for the Olympics
Blazers win!
Behind Rubio and Llull who is a 2nd round pick and a better player
by southern oregon on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Not exactly
behind Calderon, Rubio, and Raul Lopez, an experienced PG who was drafted 24th in the 2001 draft.
And besides, since when does what whatever Marca has to say matter? Our Spanish Bedgers can assert that it’s one of the most partisan pro-Spanish papers in the country. It’d be like someone thinking it reflected poorly on Bayless because Ben wrote about trading Steve Blake.
There is no reason to suppose that Sergio would "end up bringing the guys down in the locker room".
These players are professionals.
"Just kidding"
LOL miz soulless HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And I think it may come down to that. If we cant even get a 1st rounder in this weak draft. I would not mind us using him as filler however.
She lives in my lap
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
LOL
the team would rather have cash strait up! LOL
Miz Soulless .. yeah
for serious
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The Princess of Blazersedge
"Facinating trade"
Says the Diogu/Ruffin deal.
by undutchable on Jun 24, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And everybody was SURE that KP would make a big splash at the trade deadline
it is possible that this is it for the draft, which is rather weak
GENIUS
We use our next 3 second roudners to move up 2 more spots each and make sure we get Blair!!!!
The Princess of Blazersedge
Can close that poll now
What are the Blazers going to do with the #24 pick?
They are going to trade up.
We need a new poll – what are the Blazers going to do with the #22 pick?
My answer: They are going to package it and trade up.
trade up 'til you're satisfied
or trade out…oops, KP’s “trade out button” seems to be stuck…WHAT a surprise
He'll couple the savings in rookie scale pay with
the money he saved by switching his car insurance to Geico!
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Jun 24, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can you bash this trade?
The 56 pick to move up 2 slots in the draft. Great deal to me. He will make more moves don’t worry.
I had no idea how spoiled we were until people started complaining about a non-blockbuster move.
by jnb58 on Jun 24, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Are any of us really bashing the trade?
I think we’re all just entertaining ourselves due to a tidbit of news releasing.
How could anyone NOT approve of this trade?
We dumped a late second rounder to move up a few spots. Worst case, we get a slightly better player, best case it’s used for a bigger purpose.
I dare someone to explain why they disapprove of this trade!
Because we could have picked Henk Norel, sniff
by Norsktroll on Jun 24, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He and not Rubio was Rudy's best buddy in Badalona. Or so I hear.
Now we would have to use pick #55 on him.
I dare someone to explain why they disapprove of this trade!
Because KP didn’t trade up high enough!
(yet)
So what's the reason for this trade?
A) Peeling off some 2nd rounders we don’t need.
B) Stepping ahead of Sacramento in case they are after the same player as us.
C) Sweeten the pot for another trade.
Definitely A for sure. Not sure if B has anything to do with it. C would be awesome.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
And just maybe
KP is just trying to get Sacramento to cough up their 2nd round picks to get ahead of us?
Move up one spot AND get a much better 2nd round pick than we gave up? That sounds like KP all right.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jun 24, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It Deserves More Respect
I really like the move. Both the Kings and the Mavericks were seen as teams who might select point guards. So you are potentially moving up two point guard prospects. Plus, it puts you in a better position to pick a prospect who is falling. Around 20 is where teams will start picking a more talented player versus teams earlier who are picking on need.
by rip city coming alive on Jun 24, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
Allignment
With Wednesday’s transaction, the Trail Blazers now hold the 22nd, 33rd, 38th and 55th overall selections in Thursday’s NBA Draft.
I’m pretty sure the next step is to trade the 38th down for the 44th.
22nd + 38th pick for the 20th
Then the 20th + 33rd pick for the 18th = Dejuan Blair.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Trade every draft pick?
For Dejuan Blair? I dunno…
Yeah, I have to agree with that
For a guy with no ACL’s that seems to be rather questionable talentwise, I’d say keep at least one 2nd rounder
Blazers win!
his recent MRI's show he is completely fine
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
But then we also have to get #11
To make it all cosmically correct.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jun 24, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Shake up the order
An interesting trade. Could be Pritchard wanted to see if he could force a couple of hands for a trade not related to what the Blazers do with the 22nd pick.
Sac town might not like this
Maybe we’ll promise them not to take the guy they want at 22 if they trade us the 4th pick in the draft which we can then swing for Devin Harris…just a thought
Second rounders
Are nearly always worthless with very rare exceptions. Especially when you are trading picks 50 and higher.
I’d be willing to trade pick 55 and the lower of our second rounders next year for pick #20.
times have changed.
scouting is WAY more advanced these days. No way a Jerome Kersey falls to the 2nd round in 2009
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I'd say 30 to 40 are pretty decent
after 40, it’s all long shots and never will bes
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Back to Omri Casspi
Again I think this is to protect the chance to draft Omri Casspi. I’m sure KP has other plans on moving closer to the 10-15 range, but if that doesn’t work Omri Casspi is the best choice.
KP is not just a pritchslapper, he’s also a business man.
Omri Casspri would be the first Israeli to come to the NBA. Think about how many Jersey’s that would sell. Imagine how many more viewers Blazer games could pick up with an entire nation having a reason to root for an NBA team.
With this being a weak draft, why not make a move that makes your club a little more $ and notoriety?
Again I expect more to happen but this could be a very smart backup plan.
I think Casspi would sell more jerseys
In New Jersey
If KP drafts Omri it will be for the Nets, not for Portland
22+38=19?
19+ 32 = 16?
16 + outlaw = 9?
9 = Jordan Hill?
[or p-slap the wolves and get #7 T-Evans?]
or 16 + outlaw for a solid veteran PF or PG?
still 24 hours to dream…
you sir, have a deal. make it happen
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 24, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Jordan Hill?
That’s a lot to trade for a guy to play 10 min per game behind LMA. Couldn’t we see a similar impact (backup banger PF) with a lower pick?
PenderG at 22?
Will PG slip to 33? I’m thinking not.
I don’t see pyschoT slipping to 22…
You’re betting on potential long-term upside with J-Hill.
In the proposed scenario, you use the 9 to get Jordan Hill
Using a bunch of assets (and a bunch of trades) to get the 9 so that we could grab a backup PF. That’s a lot for a 10mpg player. We’d definitely be able to pick up someone to fill the role, like The Graph (patent pending) with the 22 or Beaker with the 16. In fact, I think we could get The Graph using the 33 or packaging it with another asset (Sergio, another 2nd, etc) to move up a little into the end of the first.
I’d rather use the 9 (in my dreams) on Stephen Curry, Tyreke Evans or Ricky Rubio (hey, we’re dreaming, right?), than a backup PF.
KP:
{shaking and scratching arms} “I just need a little hit.. anything.. 2 spots, I swear. Just something to get me through the day..”
by 2005TelfairJerseyForSale on Jun 24, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 24 recs
fantastic indeed
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 24, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL I was just KP for 5 seconds..it was awesome
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
I really doubt this deal is part of a larger one
To use boxing as a metaphor, this deal is the boxer waving his left hand to distract his opponent and the fireworks coming tomorrow are the knockout uppercut with the right.
38th and sergio for their 18th
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 24, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i know right. done deal. possible to get lawson, and blair…
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 24, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Serg. would be great on a developing team right now.
Minn. would be pretty awesome for him if he got starter position.
thats why we send him and the 38th for the 18th. its so clear to us now.
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 24, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
2 Reasons
I can see a total of two reasons for the Trail Blazers to make this move. Either, A) They have their eye on someone who the Kings are looking to nab, or B) They weren’t going to use their second round picks anyways. To me, the more likely scenario is B, considering trying to understand a team’s strategy at drafting is almost impossible days before a draft. Overall, I can’t see this shaking things up too bad for either team.
Trade Grade:
Dallas: B+
Portland: B
Unless, there’s more to the move like taking this pick and drafting a rookie all-star, I can’t see my grading change what-so-ever.
OG_03
Second round picks are unguaranteed and cost you now money
There is no strategy that benefits from getting rid of second round picks – other than trading up or trading them for future picks.
Could be that simple
Like you said, he might figure the draft is weak enough that #61 is as good as a second round pick.
The 61st pick is symbolic of all the undrafted players
Search the thread for the number 61 and you’ll see a thread a little ways up for the origin of this comment.
the weather must be getting to them
has it thawed out there yet?
"We really don't reference the rulebook." ~Joe Borgia, NBA VP of referee operations, to Henry Abbot regarding the calling (or lack thereof) of traveling.
They have summer up there usually
It gets really hot (and really humid and they have bird-sized mosquitoes).
Well
It’s not like Blazer fans 2 years ago were much better. At least Kevin Love is better than ZBO.
She lives in my lap
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
wait blazer fans STILL
want to keep steve blake AND somehow acquire chris paul
nothing has changed
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The Princess of Blazersedge
STEVE BLAKE IS THE STEADY UNSPECTACULAR GUARD THAT THIS TEAM NEEDS
You’re just a hater!
She lives in my lap
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
what is sad is
your snark is often the default argument of all the blake.fangirlsboys
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The Princess of Blazersedge
It would be something else for there to be a Steve Blake fangirl
Low blow?
She lives in my lap
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
LMAO
i cant type cursewords on this website. I will get banned.
ken.ban.fanboy
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The Princess of Blazersedge
at least
being a woman you can write that you love a man without getting a warning
fire nate before its too late
exactly
we could benefit from just one 2nd round pick
"be where you are when you're there"
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Jun 24, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
For a while
I have been reading that the nets are really high on Casspi. Could this be KP taking the first steps to get Devin Harris in here? Harris+11th+a bad contract overall for 22+Casspi+a few role players? That might be wishful thinking but if we let them keep 11 and just went for harris and a bad contract it could be workable.
Please do not feed the B-Rex
They dont trade Harris unless they get one of our big 3 IMO....
The Bedger formally known as ????????
Hey, that's my take
get your own!
j/k
Brilliant minds think alike.
It could only be a way for KP to move up and pick DeJuan Blair at #11 (ahead of Indy at 13) but if he put Rudy into that deal he MIGHT be able to pry Harris away from the Nets
Harris is a BYC player until July 1st I believe
which makes working a draft day very difficult. In order to get Harris from the Nets they have to be desperate for long term cap relief and think Harris is the devil.
this trade works
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgeqny
but the Nets aren’t getting hosed because Devin Harris is worth more especially if we’re trying to steal their 11th pick.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
I would do that trade
Although I would be sad Rudy would be gone.
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we would need to find some 2nd unit scoring
Harris
Roy
Batum
Aldridge
Oden
Bayless
Webster
Przy
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Im not sure the Blazers do that for salary reasons though
Harris at what 11-14mil, Roy max, LMA 10+ mil, Oden
That’s a lot of cash in a few players.
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We need a cleanup in the sidebar...
cleanup in the sidebar. 2 fanshots and 1 fanpost about this trade. Can we get prez on it? He must be for something…
The Bedger formally known as ????????
Chicago wants Casspi?
With all the rumors about the Blazers talking with Chicago, my best guess is that Chicago wants Casspi in a trade involving the Blazers 24th pick. And since Sacramento was rumored to be high on Casspi, KP jumped ahead of Sacramento just to show Chicago he was serious about whatever trade they are talking about.
Hinrich for Blake, Outlaw, and Casspi?
I’ll take it with a big fat :)
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
Me too!
I think I’m higher on Kirk than most Blazer fans. I love his hustle and defense.
PG- Hinrich, Bayless
SG- Roy, Rudy
SF- Webster, Batum
PF- Aldridge, ??? (lower draft pick? Buy a first rounder like we always do?)
C- Oden, Przybilla
Maybe
Pendergraph falls to us in the second round at 33. that could be pretty nice.
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by BRoyTheNatural on Jun 24, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, please, sir. I'll take that. Mr. Pendergraph would be a very good fit.
Duct tape makes you smart.
instead of pendergraph
how about we throw that extra 5-6 mil in cap space at Bass or Joe Smith or Turiaf
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Why can’t I be both?! It’s like the night before Mardi Gras … do you abstain or go nuts? … or quote these geniuses
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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Well then
We would know KP’s motivation for picking up the Blake and Outlaw options
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by BRoyTheNatural on Jun 24, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
yes you did
hopefully we get their #26 in the deal
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
would you...
give minnesota sergio, and the 38th for their 18th
then take blair and lawson with that and the 22nd?
"be where you are when you're there"
Good trade!
I think of this move as there being two more players that the Blazers can choose from. We didn’t have to give up much to move up either. I could see us trading Sergio and the #22 to move up a little further now.
In other news, sources say that Kevin Pritchard was sighted waving his middle finger at Geoff Petrie.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 24, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
lol very nice
petrie couldn’t be reached for comment his head was buried in a spanish english dictionary
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you listen to the Simmons - Ford podcast? Simmons wasn't even sure if Petrie is still calling all the shots in Sactown
Those all reports indicate he does.
yeah. i have heard that he still is calling the shots but his heart’s not in it from someone relatively close to him.
but if they do wind up with rubio that will be all levian
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
First time I've ever heard that Petrie's heart is not in it
Cough it up Ben. LOL
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And
You have no proof that Flynn wouldn’t be a Levien pick. :)
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in any good organization i think you make group decisions. i have just heard that petrie has final say still and if he didn’t he wouldn’t be there. just my source i don’t know GP personally and haven’t talken to him directly.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if you had it's not like he shows any emotion Ben
He’s about as readable as the Easter Island statues.
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But whatever it's worth
He has insisted to keep his contract the way it is. I wouldn’t be shocked in the slightest to see Petrie retire after this upcoming season.
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yeah i have heard he’s done at the end of this season no matter what
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
also the only 2 who voted no
on the SEA/OKC move
"When jumpers are outlawed only Outlaw will take jumpers"-LoadedOrygun
by DominicanAvenger on Jun 24, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Sac so got pwned
Umm, wait, what?
Do the Blazers want Derrick Brown? If not, I do not care. Let the pwnage happen. Good for Portland. Moving up 2 whole spots. Whoopee friggin doo!
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Have you found a buyer yet for that pick?
Seems like Minny, OKC and Sacramento are not into keeping all those extra first rounders.
I doubt they sell it
I highly doubt it. Portland jumping 2 spots doesn’t mean much to me if anything at all. Why any team would take Derrick Brown higher than the Kings at 23 is beyond me. I can see plenty of teams wanting to take him lower than 23 as he could be BPA at those spots.
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Precisely
There’s probably no difference in risk between the high to mid 20’s and the upper part of the 2nd round.
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brown worked out here they didn’t seem that impressed
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/6/17/912645/wednesday-pre-draft-workout-report
Derrick Brown (6’8" and 227, PF, Xavier): There were four guys with similar size today and we’ll start with Brown, who seemed to draw the least interest of the four. He is probably the most “combo” of the group and given KP’s statements above I think that probably counts against him in terms of how successfully he would fill the needed physical backup power forward role. Brown steadily improved his stats through 3 years at Xavier and was able to guard multiple positions in college. The interest level in Brown did not seem particularly high today; the comparison to Travis Outlaw felt like a death sentence.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
whew
I wasn’t worried anyway. Brown isn’t a good enough rebounder to really entice the Blazers to take him. And he fits in well with Donte Greene and Nocioni among others on the Kings roster. I didn’t just pick him by accident.
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I’m not reading all these, but I’ll note (as others have doubtless already observed) that Chad Ford is high if he thinks Dejuan Blair is going to last to 22.
This looks like a Hansbrough or Maynor move, or maybe that Casspi sign-and-trade.
"I take the little gummy bear Flintstones vitamins…I try not to eat the lady. I try not to eat the man. Just give me the car. I try to find the car. Yea, worst case scenario, I eat the lady." - Ron Artest, 2009
hansborough aint goin past the jazz at 20
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
me too - I haven't worked a second this week
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
I thought it was "draft fortnight."
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I'm not sure why people voted no
they clearly have an unnatural attachment to 2nd round picks. Or they don’t like the idea of 3 picks for 1.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
At the least, this is a "feeler" move
Perhaps this is part of a bigger plan, but this move might be about getting information. Watching how other teams react might indicate their plans. Portland has nothing to lose by giving up the late 2nd rounders. It’s like a bet in poker to find out where you really stand in the hand.
Perhaps a deal is in the works with either Chicago, NJ, Sacramento, or Minnesota.
Can I buy you a fish sandwich?
But who does Minnesota have anymore that we'd be interested in?
Seriously, I don’t know that they’d give up one of the high draft picks, but I don’t see anyone on the roster other than maybe Jefferson that we would want, and you know he’s not available!
Blazers win!
updates
one source: this is about casspi
second source: ptb not overly impressed with casspi for themselves
then for whom
OMG SPURS LOVE THE EURO/MIDDLEEASTERNERS!!!!!!!!
Caspi + sergio for ….. Tony Parker?
I could faint
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oh yeah
i have no faith that even KP could convince any1 to take Sergio.
I was totally kidding for all u thinking Sergio is on Tony Parkers Level HES SO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT
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They're certainly trying to
I don’t see RJ being that much of a difference maker though. I’d bet that they won’t get home court next season.
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If Timmy and Manu stay healthy
I think you’d be nuts to count them out.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 24, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
the question is
are those sources contradiction each other or are they working in tandem to suggest a trade?
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
they are independent of each other but both solid
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
lol i can only tell you what i hear… we’ll see..
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben is part of the new wave uncredible twitteratti that is destroying traditional media enterprise
NO RESPECT. #iranelection
jk. I’m sad the Washington Post has shrunk down their columns though, looks more like the USA Today ick.
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Are they expecting a move today….. or tomorrow? Just wondering what is more likely.
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Hey Ben, was to plan behind your draft board to mirror what you thought the Blazers org liked, or what you personally wanted? (if you covered that somewhere, my bad).
Just wondering why Casspi always ranked highly on your board, but the second source says Portland’s not interested.
in the first post i laid out what the criteria was. basically who would i be least surprised to see in a blazer uniform. nothing to do with my personal profererences.
sometimes you get access to information after the fact. stories change constantly.
the thing with casspi is because he can be stashed he’s almost by default relatively high on the blazers list this year. same thing with nando de colo. also keep in mind quality of prospects coming through portland was very bad.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool. Do you think the second source is correct then, that Portland is actually less enamored with Casspi than it originally appeared?
What's the point of adding another small forward? Who isnt even that great to begin with?
I thought Cassipi wants to come and play THIS YEAR so wouldn’t it make sense for us to draft and stash. Either way it would be weird for us to move up 2 spots just to grab a semi decent SF when we have a roster full of decent to semi decent SFs.
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A future that can come only too soon...
Although I enjoy Travis’ twitter updates.
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i think it’s mostly irrelevant right now because i think it’s still very unlikely like its been all along that the blazers keep the 22 and draft a player for themselves. it’s actually probably even less likely than it was that they draft and hold the 24.
if someone else likes him that’s what matters the most (at this moment)
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i think it’s still very unlikely like its been all along that the blazers keep the 22 and draft a player for themselves. it’s actually probably even less likely than it was that they draft and hold the 24.
Yeah we’re on the same page here.
I’m not sure it would stop them from buying a different pick to grab him if he’s available later than they anticipated. Mainly just curious if there was a sign the mood had changed inside the org or not. Thanks.
Are the Blazers high on Calathes as he's a stashable PG with considerable upside?
As a Kings fan I am just curious what is going on with you guys, as far as I have heard we aren’t super high on Casspi and may be going with a change of pace PG like Mills with that pick. Although Geoff doesn’t let much slip out and most of the league still has no idea what we are doing at 4.
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calathes seems like he would make sense but haven’t heard anything other than raw speculation about him in pdx
i’ve heard from 2 people that kings liked casspi to some degree.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
nets also hot on hansbrough though and his green room invite makes me think twice about the nets. hansbrough could be the thing that keeps the nets from being the target.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Isnt it funny how everyone was hating on Hans well the national media, bloggership, but yet some GM is unwittingly going to pick him way to high anyways
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it only takes one "greater fool"
but they say he’s been impressive in workouts
as long as Blair falls into KP’s lap I could care less where TH goes
But Jerry Sloan will be heartbroken if he can’t get Hans, he’s probably pressuring Layden to move up as we speak
Eh works or no workouts he's going to be like the 7th/8th guy max on a good team
I would rather go big with risk in mid lottery this year than go for Hans. At 20 that’s not bad though
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Who values Cassipi?
I would imagine it would have to be mostly for marketing purposes. First Israeli in the NBA is worth fans. I’d say the Nets and Knicks would obviously value that. As might the Wizards(large Jewish population in Baltimore). I can’t imagine anyone else having as much to gain there.
I was thinking along the same lines
A team in a city with a large Jewish community might really stand to gain financially. That’s not Portland.
I'm on the east coast
It’s NYC and Baltimore that have large Jewish populations.
by danielfarrell on Jun 24, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
There are Wizards fans in Baltimore?
Either way with Mike Miller do the Wizards really have any room for swingmen?
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That would be the genius of it. No, there are not Wizards fans in Balitmore… but there might be some for him.
by danielfarrell on Jun 24, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking as a Jew here,
Jews love Jewish athletes. The book “Greatest Jewish Sports Figures” is a common Bar Mitzvah gift. A Jew in the NBA would lead to numerous synagogue and Jewish Community Center sponsored bus trips.
This was JSNAKE's favorite movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqgTOlcyDek
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Watched that back in the day
I remember one of the Jewish dad’s getting excited about some old city league team “the ball never even touched the floor, it was PASS! PASS! PASS!”
roflmao. Ah the Disney Channel is great.
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Lol, 5 minutes into the movie they discuss officiating after a technical foul
Charge or no charge? Just like in real life.
how many times have you seen
Chariots of Fire?
Funny story, I saw it in a Kibbutz in ‘83 (study abroad program, PSU) The biggest laugh was when Sir John Gielgud’s character complained about Abram’s personal track coach being Italian
And the other Oxford snob said “Well, he’s only 1/2 Italian…his other half is Arab”
Well, we tend to admire those who share our own beliefs—or lack thereof.
For example, the irreligious Robert Smith is one of my all-time favorite athletes.
“Former Minnesota Vikings running back Robert Smith, an atheist, says he has no objection to making religious counseling and services available to interested players. But Smith does object to evangelicals working through sports stars to spread their message. ‘I think it unfairly takes advantage of pro athletes,’ says Smith. ‘Spread religion on its own merits. Don’t try to sell it with high-profile athletes.’”
I think that for most Jews, its about being members of "The Tribe" and sharing culture rather than religious beliefs
Jon Stewart, for example, has referenced Jewish athletes on his show on several occasions, despite the fact that Stewart is not a practicing Jew. He is “one of the tribe,” though and thus seems to take pride in the accomplishments of Jewish baseball players.
Historically, it hasn’t been rare at all for Jews to be thought of as inferior athletically, making Jews even more appreciative of those athletes who break that stereotype, especially those who, like Sandy Koufax, are very upfront and proud of their Judaism.
Oh no!
I was the 666th person to approve of this trade! I think Satan would make for a VERY tough frontcourt.
by twggyy on Jun 24, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
satan can't rebound
can’t shoot either, but he has OK handles
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by HurraKane212 on Jun 24, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Chicago has Picks 16 and 26
Outlaw, Blake, and 22 for Hinrich, 16, and 26? – Elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
Hmmm.
About a trade? No.
About an intriguing European prospect? No.
Does it involve Hinrich in any way? No.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 24, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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if it isn’t about a trade including
sergio
blake
travis
in that order, i dont care
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 25, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Random though: DX has Casspi going to the Bulls at 26
Maybe they fear he isn’t there anymore, and the Blazers pick him for the Bulls as part of a Hinrich deal.
Just putting 2 + 2 together.
two names that keep coming up are nets and bulls but no solid source for either one past speculation at this point
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
have you heard anything concrete about Hinrich’s character being a big turnoff to Pritchard? Seems like that has a chance of messing things up.
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huh? no comment?
as in you know something but can’t say, or you’ve not heard anything like that?
I bet I can guess Ben’s reply to this as well.
no comment
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by Cablinasian on Jun 24, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only bad things I can find about him from asking around are that some people say he smokes a lot of weed and some say he’s a womanizer. I mean, that makes him an NBA player, right?
by danielfarrell on Jun 24, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hinrich is horrible character-wise!
4 years at KU with 2 Final Fours, playing for Roy Williams.
Father was a High School coach in Iowa.
Lead Chicago back to respectability and playoffs.
Made NBA 2nd Team All-Defense in 06/07.
Quietly took a backseat to D. Rose and never complained about role.
Final nail in character coffin:
Bulls GM John Paxson was quoted as saying,
“Kirk Hinrich is imperative to the foundation of our organization and we are extremely pleased to have him with us long term. We are attempting to build a team based on character and commitment and these are both traits that Kirk possesses at a very high level. This is a very good day for the Chicago Bulls organization.”
What a low-character head-case. Why would we want Bonzi Wells Jr. on our team.
Please pass on him KP. Please.
Where's the "I have no clue" option in your poll
How are we supposed to have an opinion on a minor move whose significance is unknown to all but KP and a couple of his associates?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
does the draft start at 5pm tomorrow?
"We really don't reference the rulebook." ~Joe Borgia, NBA VP of referee operations, to Henry Abbot regarding the calling (or lack thereof) of traveling.
is that the draft itself or is there an hour of "commentary" first?
this thing cant start quick enough
"We really don't reference the rulebook." ~Joe Borgia, NBA VP of referee operations, to Henry Abbot regarding the calling (or lack thereof) of traveling.
i think one of yesterdays threads said no
thank god
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commentary
but I seem to recall that the first pick usually comes well before 5 – there’s the whole green room parade, endless feel-good stories about how Johnny Flynn bakes cookies for Portuguese immigrants and how Elgin Baylor is happy fishing instead of making the one easy pick in Clippers history…
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For all intents and purposes
The first pick came several weeks ago.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 24, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
more on Kidd
via Yahoo: "Kidd is considering possibilities with Portland and Cleveland, but he always loved New York a lot more than New Jersey. He built good relationships with Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni and Portland’s Nate McMillan when they were assistant coaches for Team USA.
Barring a sign-and-trade deal, the Knicks would be limited to offering Kidd the midlevel exception.
The Portland Trail Blazers traded the 24th and 56th picks in the draft to the Dallas Mavericks for the 22nd pick on Wednesday afternoon, a league source told Yahoo Sports. Portland could use the pick to package with a player to move up into the lottery."
PWN3D
Portland could use the pick to package with a player to move up into the lottery
This may dovetail with the Knicks or the Raptors being interested in Outlaw
From Ford:
• Brandon Jennings, who may drop out of the lottery, had a tremendous workout with New Jersey on Tuesday. Coach Lawrence Frank felt he ran the pick-and-roll better than any player the Nets worked out.
The Nets believe that in three to four years, Jennings could be either the first- or second-best player in the entire draft class. But they believe he’s two to three years away from being an everyday starter, so they won’t pick him.
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So they think in 2 or 3 years he will be better than Devin Harris?
Is that what they are saying? I mean if they think that’s the case why not draft him when you have Devin Harris there anyways?
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yeah, over a day. This was a few hours of madness. 400 comments for a pretty meaningless deal.
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I'm kind of hoping for something to break late tonight
We’ll end up with a thread like the Miles letter incident started.
No, I think we'll at least have to draft someone
by pualo on Jun 24, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't be TOO surprised if nothing happens on draft day.
If we go into preseason with this same roster + a rookie and no name free agent, I’ll be kind of frustrated though.
There's a background picture across all of BE
You can’t see it if you either don’t have a widescreen monitor, or you’re using adblock.
It’s basically cut off by the BE text frames, so you can only see the left and right edges.
it’s an advertiser wrap i think, axe body spray or something? i have no idea. they prolly pay extra to do that
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
i think what you meant to say what “i love the wrap and i highly encourage many other companies to similarly invest their resources”
:)
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah I signed in that one time and put it on auto. so much of the stuff online is insider now.
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yep. i still have to read that email that tells me how to use hotspot shield the right way
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Ben and Dave on the radio tomorrow. I will be disappointed if there are no good one-liners. I remember Ben asking Phoenix Stan: “How does it feel that of all the people in the world, there are two Lopez brothers… and you have the wrong one.”
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i had a lot of red bull before that podcast.
i also like the 8.5 seconds or less offense because nash lost a step. i had been saving that joke for 3 weeks
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
do you ever plan on starting a more regular podcast? The one with Pelton was great.
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we’ll see. when the season starts kp2 and i have some ideas to expand our joint blazers content here on BE. probably revolving around postgame stuff. still fleshing ideas out.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 24, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
thats effing great.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 25, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Did anyone else hear the Quick interview on 1080?
There are rumors from it on another site but I don’t want to spread them unless it’s confirmed.
Why confirm rumors?
Just tell us – not all of us are local enough to get 1080.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 24, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Here we go.
- LMA says he loves Portland and the fans and has no wish to go elsewhere.
- LMA says he wants a contract done this Summer, no need to push it out.
- LMA says he knows Roy gets a max deal and he may not, and is ok with that.
Separately, he said he wouldn’t be surprised if there’s no major deal tomorrow, and he personally isn’t a fan of Kirk.
I'm whelmed
Getting LMA for 10 – 11 would be a very nice deal. And then all worries about locking him up next year after the throws a fit not getting the max and Roy does (not likely, but could have happened) go away.
Hmmm, just did some interesting math...
Bare with me…
If we’re going with 2008-09 contracts, including Travis Outlaw being guaranteed before 6/30/2009:
Travis Outlaw – $4.250m
Diogu exception – $2.9128m
- pick (Omri Casspi?) – $1.0129m
This comes to $9.907125m. Hinrich is just within 125% + $100,000 of that figure.
I think the #24 pick just falls out of that range.
Could this be an Outlaw / Diogu exception / #22 pick (Casspi) for Kirk Hinrich deal?
You can't combine trade exceptions with cap space or players
It’s not like you actually trade the exception. You just use it to absorb a player. One player.
Sorry, wrong figure posted there by the way anyway
It should have read $8.1757m ( x 125% +100k) within Hinrich’s $10m.
Sorry for the misunderstanding about how the exception can be used.
Don't ban me for pointing out the following typo:
Bare with me…
Best typo of the day. I’m enjoying it, not mocking it.
i just read tea leaves and...
they’re telling me sergio + 22 for philly’s 17th pick and a future 2nd rounder
knowing KP, I think he can get th em throw in some cones and a granola bar
blah blah blah blah lame comment - lame commenter
by Bandwagon Butcher on Jun 24, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions
I like this type of thinking
What if KP has targeted Hansbrough or Blair, or somebody like that. He just needs to inch up the line, at least above Utah at #20, and so far it has only cost a couple of 2nd round picks we weren’t going to need anyway.
Let's go crazy!
Outlaw / Blake / Rodriguez / #22 (Casspi?) to Chicago for Hinrich / #16 (Blair / Hansbrough?).
Done before 6/30, Bulls have the option to cut Blake’s non-guaranteed contract. Blazers have option to resign Blake. :-D
So how about that US-Spain match!
Near-impossible advancement scenario to worldbeaters.
That was awesome television.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 24, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions
Draft Express has
Brandon Jennings going 17th!
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/
Wow. I was trashing his game yesterday, but that’s quite a drop. I guess that psych profile has people spooked?
Seems a risk worth taking anywhere outside the top 6 or 7.
But, is he Terrel Owens crazy or Kobe Bryant crazy?
Someone could get incredibly lucky if they have the patience and the system to play him.
It would make Miller very available
Jennings needs some time to develop and mature. He is a showman. Judging from what he talks in interviews and tweets I would compare him a bit to Amare. His side ventures and the money seem very important to him.
I can't envision a worse fit for Portland than Jennings. Horrible.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I think he wouldnt work in Portland either
But on the right team he would thrive. Phili would actually be a great team for him.
She lives in my lap
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
With all this talk, It would be interesting to see ....
…. how accurate any of it is.
As Rick Bucher said today, this is a time when alot of people are blowing smoke. That’s one reason I can’t get to excited about the rumors and who we might draft. But what I am interested in is seeing just how much is good analysis and how much is talking to hear oneself talk. It probably wouldn’t be that time consuming to call up the mock drafts from last year and see how accurate they were. But it would likely be too time consuming to go back and look at all the comments the pundits were passing around (let alone the fans here).
One thing I do recall was that SpyderRider gets credit for being one of the most consistent voices arguing for why Portland should have traded up to get Bayless. While I wasn’t all that impressed with Bayless at the time, Spyder nailed the guy Portland wanted. I’m guessing about 95% of the rest of us were just passing gas.
btw – for the record, here are 5 of the guys I liked and was interested in seeing Portland get last year. The last guy was a second rounder, the other 4 were all guys I would have spent a 1st rounder on.
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/joealexander.html
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/courtneylee.html
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/russellwestbrook.html
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nicolasbatum.html
http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nathanjawai.html
All in all, I think I did ok. I missed with the guy that was probably my first choice, but I got Batum right and I probably would have gotten Westbrook right if he wasn’t gone before we picked. Courtney Lee was another guy I was big on, if not necessarily for Portland, at least as a guy I thought would be a good choice in the draft. Discounting 2nd rounders, 3 of the 4 guys I liked the most turned in pretty impressive rookie seasons. Hell at 75%, I probably did better than a lot of GM’s.
hakkaa päälle !
I'm not - but who knows, he could be.
I am saying he definately nailed the Bayless choice.
hakkaa päälle !
I'm not really looking at anybody.
For several reasons
1) I sort of like the team we have – I voted for trading out of the draft.
2) I didn’t pay as much attention to college ball this year as I usually do, therefore I don’t know as much about a lot of these guys.
3) I’ve been busy enough at work (and my wife somehow managed to corrupt the OS on our home laptop – that I really haven’t been reading all the mock draft sites and following rumors.
4) Drafting at 24 (now 22), I figured I needed to pay more attention to the guys in the draft to come up with someone that might be available when it came time to select.
Just from what I’ve read from Ben and Dave, the following guys have tweaked my interest:
(in no particular order)
Casippi (sp?)
Hansbourgh
Pendergraph
and maybe Lawson
Earl Clark has shown up as a dark horse for me. He fits the description Dave talked about – a guy that Portland could gamble on because he might pay off big. I don’t think he will be around when we pick, but he has me interested.
I’ve seen Victor Claver meantioned in association with Portland. He also tweaks my interest, although I don’t know alot about him. Were both he and Pendergraph available in the 2nd round, I think I vote for Pendergraph.
hakkaa päälle !
BLAIR.
New Jersey drafts Blair with 11, Portland drafts Casspi with 22.
Sergio and Casspi and other swell prizes go to the Nets for Blair.
That’s what I’m calling…
In the BEdge mock, #22 = Casspi, BTW.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Wolves draft Curry with the 6th pick
Sergio + Casspi + 2nd rounder.
or something of that nature
I blame Prez
that’s not nearly enough. market value for fifth pick equals taking on salary plus two decent to good role players. That is two prospects.
draft dejuan blair
shhh Cabby you are killing my mojo
I have no idea who the T Wolves want to get rid of cause I’m not looking at salaries right now
I blame Prez
you smelled what I was cookin'
last week, after I read the Givony rumors
(Norsktroll was onto this like a hound to a scent, as well)
this feels like a "let's sweeten the deal a bit for another team" type of move
jumping the kings makes no sense considering the draft hasn’t even started yet and we don’t know who is available…
I blame Prez
I agree, it doesn't make sense for targeting a specific player
Seems like it improves out position for a trade — but the trade would have to be a contingency agreement, where the two teams pull the trigger during the draft when they know whether it’s going to be possible. In other words, it isn’t the pick — it’s the players.
It has been pretty well war-gamed out by now. Casspi to Sactoe at 23, which makes KP's swap with somebody that lusts for him impossible unless he takes cuts...
What team lusts for him? New Jersey.
What pick does NJ hold? 11.
What does pick 11 get you? Blair.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
NJ is also guard shopping in this draft. Their fundamental determination must be that Sergio > any PG they can snag with the 11.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
But NJ doesn't need a point guard
They already have an all-star PG and I can’t see why they’d trade that far down to pick up an extremely flawed backup. I could imagine Outlaw + #22 for #11. He fills a need for NJ. (But that’s a high price for the Blazers, on the other hand, to get a backup forward. PTB-NJN trade might make sense if Portland wants one of the top point guard prospects.)
All I know from playing around on the NJ newspaper beat-sites this past week is 1. They really like Casspi; and 2. They are shopping for a guard.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Their backup isn't any good
The only decent one they have is Keyon Dooling, who happens to back up both positions as needed.
Blair
or any number of other guys.
just saying those knees could make him unattractive to us (we’ve had to many knee troubles with big guys)
I blame Prez
The knees are why he is available at 11 instead of going at 7 or some number like that... It's a dice roll...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
How's this for a bonus in KPology...
There will have to be a Plan B in this trade… If Casspi goes ahead of 22, NJ will want their 200 pounds of Small Forward to complete the deal…
In Casspi is gone, bye bye Travis.
That’s my prediction.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Quick said nothing big tomorrow on the trade front. I dunno if something as big as moving Travis happens.
draft dejuan blair
Quick is wrong.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I think the plan is to keep Travis and draft-and-trade Casspi. But dollars to donuts that Travis is sacrificed if Casspi goes early.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Travis is a Wing, not a Big.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Quick is closer to the team than many. But he said before the deadline it would be a “watershed moment” in franchise history. Maybe I’m underrating Mike Ruffin, but I doubt that was what he had heard.
So you think KP blabs to newspaper reporters?????
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Here's hoping Jason
is “right” again, tomorrow
Where has Quick been in the last 2 months? We get a better pulse from Ben
Quick also said we were trading for Augustine last season
Quick sucks…
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I think it's pretty safe to say
that you’re underrating Mike Ruffin, then.
if quick says something
then expect the complete opposite.
we should all know this by now
I blame Prez
Pacers nail Blair at 13. They are PF shopping and he is their man. 12 is not available, it takes 11 to win.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
No, this is a really, really widely held assumption -- Pacers are PF shopping and the expectation is Blair is their guy...
Now KP might be trying to swing a big deal for a guard. THAT is quite possible… Still, he has subtly signaled that he is OK with Blake, likes Bayless, and needs a PF that plays low and tough.
Who would YOU go for if that was your shopping list?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You could both be right
However I read they might be shopping T.J. Ford. And Jack is a FA. So Lawson might not be out of the question.
The Pacers have been one of the hardest teams to peg in the draft. DeJuan Blair, Tyler Hansbrough, Eric Maynor, Ty Lawson and Jeff Teague all are on their board right now.
per Ford.
draft dejuan blair
There should be an ESPN insider channel where you can watch "draft war rooms"
Teams can control what they show or not sound. But something like in Formula 1, where Pay TV channels offer cockpit view and you can hear communication between the box and the driver.
So wait, will you be able to hear sound?
Won’t that be problematic for teams making trades and working strategies?
It could be delayed, with someone at an NBA TV broadcasting room switching the feeds. Like the half time locker room speeches of the coaches who never reveal anything, but longer. In the F1 the teams control what gets out. Some give out more, Mercedes is e.g. known to only give out very boring stuff. Or maybe no sound at all if a team wants to and the camera not directed at the board. I don’t know, it could just be fun.
I'd definitely enjoy watching it (and have NBA TV)
Just concerned if this got foisted on the teams and would make ’em adjust.
If Indy is foolish
and picks Hans instead of Blair, I wonder how much further down DeJuan would fall…Utah at 20? That would suck
I am 100% certain Blair does not fall to 22.
At the very lastest, he goes 20.
Like mentioned above though, Indy wants a PF the same as us. They need it more though, and could take Blair at 13.
Wanna know why Blazer fans want a point guard so bad? It’s been five years since a Blazer PG has eclipsed a 15 PER, the marker for league average.
draft dejuan blair
Yessir
That’s why It’s time to stop drafting rookie PGs and trade for a proven vet
(and Blake would make a great backup PG)
That's the funny part
I don’t think anyone would be unhappy with Blake at backup PG, except for reasons unrelated to Steve (ie. “I want my guy to get more minutes!”). So while we may trade Steve, it will likely hurt us in the short term.
I’d be ok with that if there’s long-term gain.
That would depend on Bayless
and I’d rather depend on Blake.
Hinrich and Blake together would give Nate 48 minutes of high-quality PG play every night. Kirk could go all out on D with no fear of foul trouble, and no need to save his energy for the 4th quarter
And either guy could play “off” Roy
They moved up to pick at Drexler's number.
- will bring a long-term franchise player
(no whammies no whammies no whammies … STOP!).
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Can we PLEASE draft Terry Porter this year?
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Kirk Hinrich's game
Compares pretty favorably with TP’s. They both can shoot, and when they penetrate they’re looking for contact and FTs
Of course, Nate won’t have ’em running as much as Rick did, back in the day
(Just to explain the reference ...)
(If we picked 30th, it would mean we finished #1 in the league. Just a little wishful thinking.)
'Press Your Luck' reference?
Someone watches the Game Show Network
by 2005TelfairJerseyForSale on Jun 24, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. I'm just old.
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Hinerich
Could the Blazers be targeting the 16th pick along with hinerich?
Feels like we're sitting on the edge of some big cliff right now ...
Will this be a ho-hum draft where we get Jerrett Jack, or will this be a bust where we get Sebastian Telfair … or will this be a trade draft where we walk away with Buck Williams (which I don’t think was a draft-day deal, but was awesome nonetheless). Let us be grateful, however, that there is a very low chance we draft Quintel Woods.
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A great arm and speed; but can he run the point at the defensive end?
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Question
Why did the T-wolves want #22 and not 24. I see Pritch going, Trout +22 for #6. This would be a typical move for them and if history repeats itself. #6.
Bring back Franz Bread Cards!
so a lunch room trade ...
the grape juice box and an orange jelly bean and another jelly bean tomorrow for the kiwi strawberry juice box.
i love it
fire nate before its too late
Move the cooked carrots with one of those jellybeans just to clear room on the plate?
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I am jonesing for more info...
This was such a tease, I WANT MORE!!!!!!!!!!
The Bedger formally known as ????????
it's gotta be murder for KP ... tossing and turning tonight.
The excitement makes some GMs do dumb stuff. Let us hope cooler heads prevail.
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KP doesnt sleep...
He waits….
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by Rudiculous on Jun 24, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jonathon Givony reports...
Sacramento has reportedly offered Detroit the #23 and #31 picks in exchange for the #15. The Kings may target DeJuan Blair at 15 if he’s available, while the Pistons like Toney Douglas and possibly DaJuan Summers.
I just read that as well
KP smoked them out? More likely it is part of his plan to get the player he wants at 33.
So would the pistons rather
deal with Sacramento 23 +31 for 16 OR
Deal with Portland 22 +33 for 16
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
KP: Open Paul's wallet
and make this deal,
then 16 = Lawson?
or add Outlaw + 38 = T-Evans?
Move Up.
Concentration over Dilution.
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