Kobe wants Nate!
by OBF on Jun 24, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
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I was just listening to the Jim Rome Show and he was discussing what the *akers will do with there coaching position. Whether Phil Jackson will be coming back or not. He mentioned that if Phil doesn not come back then Kobe's top two choices for coach are Nate McMillan and Jeff Van Gundy. I didn't get to listen for long so I have no idea what his source is, and if this is old news then I guess I can just delete this fanpost, but this was news to me!
Would Nate want to coach the *akers?
Why in the world would Kobe want Jeff Van Gundy?
Who would you all like to see be our next coach if Nate is lured away by the Gold and Purple?
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just heard that on the rome show
that’s not gonna happen, plus if nate took a job with the lakers, he wouldn’t make it out of portland alive
by StocktonNEP on Jun 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i smell troubleeeee
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jun 24, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UH colud you imagine nate coaching the lakers.....
And roy coming to play there after his contract is up!?!?!?!?
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The scasry thing is that this isn't totally un realistic. Roy is a laker fan.
If this happens I will be like timbo and like be in basketball Purgatory .
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that happens, I think the swearing rules pretty much won't apply here... this place will be papered.
by JordanLeDoux on Jun 24, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm golden either way...........
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 24, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry but if you go from Blazer's franchise to a laker
I would be a roy hater, sorry.
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
by svlittle on Jun 24, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
How could you hate roy? he is a great guy.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We thought he was a great guy. Then we learned he was actually a Laker.
by pualo on Jun 24, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just heard that
That’s got to be a confidence booster for Nate, but fortunately he already has a superstar shooting guard. Looks like JVG will be the next Laker coach.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Jun 24, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it ever happening, but if Nate left
I’d like to see Monty Williams get the job.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Jun 24, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't ,
Cuz i like monty , but then i would hate him.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be okay with Monty as our next coach
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jun 24, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH i misread!
I thought he said monty would get the laker job. my bad
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's some reason Nate didn't want an extension.
This is a possible one.
by pualo on Jun 24, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Kobe also want to get rid of Jackson a while back?
If I’m remembering correctly, not sure if he’s the best just of coaching character.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is why Nate didn't sign an extension....
Can you imagine Nate going to the Lakers to coach and then Brandon Roy going there to play in the back court with Kobe…. I might have to become a Laker fan if that happened……hmmm…..Roy and Bryant in the backcourt, Gasol, Ariza and Bynum in the front….and Nate coaching…..that would be another championship for the Lakers….. Oh, that would just kill me!!
by jenstcy on Jun 24, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that would be cool. Brandon would be the cool kid.
"She’s not a troll"
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jun 24, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
Are Nate and Roy joined at the hip? Nate leaving doesn’t mean that Roy suddenly is either.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but he likes the lakers and he likes mcmillan.
Im not saying they are joined at the hip , but it would be a fantastic career move for him.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, fantastic career move
Instead of making over $13 million in 2010-11 with the Blazers, he could be pulling down a whopping $5.5 million with the Lakers. Now that’s a career move worth writing home about!
by Storyteller on Jun 24, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And instead of creating a dynasty
He could join one.
Which one will get you remembered? Contributing to 3 of the Lakers 965 titles, or contributing to 3 of the Blazers 4 titles?
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my scenario he joins the lakers when kobe is gone. And make alot of money.
And the lakers will always be in a good position to win a championship, cuz everyone wants to go there.
Brandon roy isn’t going anywhere, im just throwing some metaphysical situations, No need to get mad guys … geez.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, your previous post said 'when his contract is up'
That’s next summer, so of course I assumed you meant that Roy would leave next summer.
by Storyteller on Jun 25, 2009 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad , i guess i didn't make myself very clear.
I see how it looks that way.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 25, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Brandon Roy will be a Portland Trail Blazer for the next several years.
Nate McMillan, on the other hand, could conceivably bolt for L.A. after next season.
by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least
it would be nice to see something that isnt Turtle Speed Offense. Lets bring Dr. Jack back!
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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 25, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to bring Dr. Jack Ramsay back to Portland, too, ...
but as a radio color commentator to replace Antonio Harvey.
by AK1984 on Jun 25, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Pitino or Tom Thibodeu
If McMillan left.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 24, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Pitino!
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
by 22baylor on Jun 24, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Rick Pitino was an abject failure in the NBA with both New York and Boston.
by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino
Had a lot of mediocre talent & terrible GM’s in his two NBA stints. Nothing compared to what is available here in Portland.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 24, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick Pitino wasn't only the head coach of the Boston Celtics, but he was also the president ...
of basketball operations during his time there from the summer of 1997 through January of 2001.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/2001/01/08/pitino_ap/
by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't the Lakers just promote Kurt Rambis, who has been groomed for years now to take over for Phil?
There’s even speculation of Phil doing some kind of a part-time coaching gig next season, with Rambis coaching on long road trips.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rome said that
Kobe specifically only wants either Nate or JVG. So what would you do if you were Jerry Bus. Alienate your Star player and the person who really won you a championship by promoting Rambis, or go out and get him the guy he wants?
Go M's
by OBF on Jun 24, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe has no respect for rambis.
Kobe is basically a player coach anyways.
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would actually go crazy.
It would be like if my wife left me for Colin Cowherd.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 24, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It would be like
If mine left for CIP. That tool.
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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 25, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This tells us one thing only:
As an assistant coach, Nate has a good relationship with his players.
by jksnake99 on Jun 24, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Nate were to leave. NO
If it happens though I would vote for getting Lionel Hollins. I was hoping they would hire him before they brought in Nate.
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 24, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who voted no?
Is there really any reason to believe he would not coach LAL if they offered? (Keep in mind the question was “would he ever”, not “would he leave this year”)
If LAL offered him the cash, and he wasn’t bound under contract, I see no reason he wouldn’t bolt.
He’s already done it to a team once. So loyalty likely isn’t a factor.
by Timmay! on Jun 24, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure he left seattle because he knew that the sonics weren't going to stay in seattle.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jun 24, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, Nate McMillan left Seattle 'cause of his rocky relationship with Wally Walker and Rick Sund.
For your information, moreover, the Basketball Club of Seattle, LLC didn’t sell the SuperSonics to the Professional Basketball Club, LLC until a year after McMillan left to work for the Portland Trail Blazers.
by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks AK.
Yeah, Nate basically walked away from the team for the better offer.
by Timmay! on Jun 24, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a better situation
as he didn’t get along with the management in Seattle.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate doesn't strike me as an La La Land kinda guy.
I definitely could be wrong, but would you want the national media fishbowl? I think you would have to have an XXL ego to want to walk in after Mr X Championships.
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec x 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Officer:Why did you kill your husband ?
Crazy Woman: Because I love too much!
by YikesItsCameron on Jun 24, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pop only leaves on his own terms, if he needs a new challenge as SAS pseudo-rebuilds.
I wouldn’t rule that out.
I also wouldn’t bet on it.
by Timmay! on Jun 24, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This suggests that those who dis Nate's understanding of defense are blowing smoke
Nate was picked to teach D to Team USA. Now the star of that team says he would want Nate as his coach. That makes it pretty clear doesn’t it?
Nate is a Northwest guy, he doesn’t strike me as the type who would love the media scrutiny of the big fishbowl. Seems unlikely to me, although I certainly could be wrong.
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Although team USA didn't play that good of defense and never would of won had in not been for the offensive coaching of Mike D'antoni.
Also Kobe saing he would like to play under Mcmillan doesn’t necesarily mean he is a good defensive coach and could just mean that he is a nice guy.
by philthebballplayer on Jun 24, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may not care for Kobe....
….but I don’t question whis will to win.
The odds of Kobe wanting to play for someone he thought would reduce his chance to get his fifth ring: 0.0000%
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Kobe would also love to play for D'Antoni, he's not a defensive guru
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe said his other choice was Jeff Van Gundy....
….who is primarily known as a defensive guru.
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Jeff Van Gundy coaches soon.
So i dont have to watch him broadcast and bash the Blazers anymore.
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by OdenFanBoy on Jun 25, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate
will not be turned to the dark side.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
You get squeezing down to the exact things. Now it's not about fluff. It's down to deal points."
by Dragonage on Jun 24, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kobe should coach as a player/coach...
He could do it, and if they won a championship with him coaching, he could possibly get into Jordan status… wouldn’t you think?
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on Jun 24, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be a hilarious playbook
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farmar: "So Kobe, let me get this straight...
Plays 1 through 5, you dribble it up and shoot it.. and play 6 you pass me the ball, then I pass it back to you and you shoot it, right? Ok, good just checking.."
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on Jun 24, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gasol: "What about me?"
Kobe: Dude, plays 7-11 involve me dumping it to you until you draw a double, then you kick it back our bro.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
kobe is a decade player, but is no way anywhere close to Jordan. You got to remember, Jordan played against some amazing western conference teams in the finals. Lakers, Utah, and Portland. He also had to get by Detroit a few times. Kobe’s rings with new Jersey and Philadelphia on them. Kobe needs to beat a boston or maybe Cleveland to come close to Jordan’s legacy.
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
by svlittle on Jun 24, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok... but if he coached his team to a championship... that would be something jordan never did...
and would add some fuel to the debate at least… because imo he’s a hundred miles away from being in the same league as jordan, but there is a slight chance he could elevate past jordan… ie… if he wins the next 3 or four championships, he’d be right up there.
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on Jun 24, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh maybe half or third decade player
Give me Shaq in prime over Kobe in prime.
Give me Duncan in prime over Kobe in prime.
Give me Lebron in prime over Kobe in prime.
Give me Wade in prime over Kobe in prime.
Bryant is an amazing talent, but there is always amazing talent in the NBA.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan never played against the Lakers in the finals.
He did play against the Phoenix Suns and the Supersonics
by kengriffey on Jun 24, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Michael Jordan won his first title against the Lakers
I mean, I don’t have any facts, or a billion YouTube clips to back me up……but you might just have to take my word for it.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe had some kind words for Nate after the Olympics
But it will definitely not happen this year, and Kobe isn’t getting any younger
Dictated, not read. The management.
by Samsara on Jun 24, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First and foremost, those of whom who are afraid that Brandon Roy might sign with the Los Angeles ...
Lakers as a restricted free-agent during the 2010 off-season need to cool their jets. First and foremost, Roy will most likely sign a maximum-level contract extension with the Portland Trail Blazers this off-season. Yet, if that doesn’t happen, the Trail Blazers will match any offer sheet that Roy might sign with another team as a restricted free-agent during the summer of 2010 — as the franchise will own his Bird rights — however, the Lakers surely wouldn’t be an option for him, since that organization wouldn’t have the financial flexibility to sign him to a contract tender.
Now, with regards to the actual topic at hand here, it wouldn’t shock me if Dr. Jerry Buss fell victim to Kobe Bryant’s demands and offered Nate McMillan something like a five-year, $50 million contract in the summer of 2010 after Phil Jackson rides off into the sunset. I hope that occurs, too, because McMillan is so hilariously overrated as a head coach that it’s a joke. Oh, and as it concerns Bryant, he may love McMillan’s slow-paced offense and love of wing players, but the lack of creativity in his offense will remind the “Black Mamba” of the dark days in which Rudy Tomjanovich was at the helm.
by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the dark days in which Rudy Tomjanovich was at the helm
Or Del Harris
I loved those days, and long for their soon return
by two4larue on Jun 24, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question is...
who don’t you think is overrated?
by lrh86 on Jun 24, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eww Jeff Van Gundy...
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on Jun 24, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy's career win % .514
Van Gundy’s career playoff win % .500
Sort of the definition of mediocre. When I tried to discuss this matter with you once before, you replied that I “knew absolutely nothing about winning basketball.”
I would appreciate a more reasoned and less vitriolic explanation of why you think JVG is such a great coach. My impression is that he is all about defense and most of his defense is about grabbing, holding, and overly physical play. My impression of his offense is that it is highly boring and repetitive use of the pick and roll. Please enlighten me if I’ve got it wrong. I would also like an explanation of why you seem to dislike Nate so much. Thanks.
by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a few in-depth comments of mine regarding why I advocate hiring Jeff Van Gundy.
“I’d also be cool with replacing Nate McMillan. I, on the other hand, desire to hire a head coach whose focus is on defense, catering the offense to the center with a heavy dose of pick-‘n’-roll, and having a fiery personality that pushes his players on a daily basis.
http://www.championshipproductions.com/cgi-bin/champ/p/Basketball/Jeff-Van-Gundy-Executing-and-Defending-the-Pick-Roll-Part-I-II_BD-02692.html
Yes, the man who I want to coach the Portland Trail Blazers is none other than Jeff Van Gundy."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/14/875831/blazers-should-play-more-fast-paced#15745418
“For Greg Oden, I don’t blame this on ‘hands of stone.’
Oden is neither Kwame Brown nor Hilton Armstrong, so screw these stats
Rather, Oden’s problems here are a direct result of Nate McMillan’s idiocy apropos of running a smooth, pro-style offense. McMillan doesn’t understand the pick-and-roll — both offensively and defensively — to save his life; therefore, he should be fired on the spot!
Y’know, I dealt with the ineptitude of McMillan’s high/low zone offense in Seattle—and now I’m done with it!
[…]
Okay, it’s not entirely the coaching staff’s problem that Greg Oden had a poor assist-to-turnover ratio to end the season during his rookie year. Regardless, if y’all want to win a championship trophy in the Rose City within the next few years it’ll have to be on the back of Oden and Brandon Roy. Yeah, the high/low zone offense with a heavy dose of isolation plays does well for Roy now — and I’m sure he loves it — yet, that wont’ win it all in the playoffs when an efficient scorer and astute defender down on the low blcok is a necessary asset.
Seriously, though, the pick-and-roll — both offensively and defensively — must become a staple if the Portland Trail Blazers wish to win a title within the next […] decade; in turn, I strongly suggest firing Nate McMillan and replacing him with Jeff Van Gundy would be a smart, savvy move by the front office."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/16/877126/credit-to-planet29-for-noticing#15785699
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/16/877126/credit-to-planet29-for-noticing#15785748
“This guy might be smarter than Nate McMillan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcvEP2wCywM
There’s a reason I call for McMillan’s head and dream for the day in which Jeff Van Gundy is at the helm. I dealt with McMillan’s poor coaching decisions in Seattle and, well, I don’t like dealing with them a second time. My hope is that he learns from the mistake of having his team improperly defend Yao Ming [by not fronting the big giant], although the fact that he made it in the first place upsets me."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/21/846952/game-2-preview#14489500
“Yep, it’s lame that folks overrate poor in-game tacticians like Avery Johnson, Doc Rivers, and Mike Brown. Yet, at least true legends like Jerry Sloan, Gregg Popovich, and Phil Jackson don’t get underlooked by most folks. On the other hand, however, Rick Adelman, Rick Carlisle, and the Van Gundy brothers — as well as George Karl, although he’s certainly got his flaws — frequently don’t receive enough credit for their coaching skills.
For me, there’s at least five dudes out there who I’d definitely fire Nate McMillian if they wanted his job. Those guys are Jeff Van Gundy, Mike Fratello, Doug Collins, Tom Thibodeau, and Mike Budenholzer. My only qualms with Fratello and Collins are age, so they’d be a notch below the other three men on my list."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/12/831907/next-generation-championship#14072833
Well, I hope that clears up any questions about my rationale behind why I support Van Gundy.
I, by the way, would like it if you’d cite any quotes of mine, as I don’t recall ever typing that you "knew absolutely nothing about winning basketball." While it seems like something I’d write on here, I couldn’t find that exact quote in the SBN archievs.
For some reason, this conversation reminds me of the one we had about what position Jerryd Bayless was recruited as out of high school by the University of Arizona.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/8/869091/the-season-in-review-jerryd-bayless#15453090
Yeah, that was definitely a heated discussion.
by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure I'll take heat for this considering the source but...
this sounds more like Sonic sour grapes and personal feeling than the educated, fact based “rationale” I’d expect from a respected poster like you AK1984.
Guys that hate Nate even after what he’s done for us are a dime a dozen on O-live… which is why I stay away from there. I don’t profess to be an NBA coaching quality mind but I have a real hard time understanding how fans can hate a guy who has accomplished as much as Nate has with this young team. I know that this sentiment will trigger an avalanche of criticism of his slow offense and his lack of flexability in substitution patterns and his penchant for pulling guys after one mistake but in my mind it is results that count. Site all the weakness’ you like but Nate has perfomed. Until his results dictate it he should remain the coach of the Blazers and be respected for the work he’s done.
Go ahead let me have it… I know I am just a recent addition to this community but I feel somebody needs to stick up for Nate against this, in my opinion, baseless attack.
by Ilikeemall on Jun 24, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I won't hate on you. I, however, will point out a few things that draw my attention.
1. I don’t mind the slow-paced offense, for it’s efficient in its execution. On the contray, my problem with Nate McMillan’s high/low zone offense is its simplicity, lack of much motion/movement, and relative nonuse of the pick-and-roll. In fact, I like Jeff Van Gundy partly because he’d slow the offense down to a figurative standstill and run plays that implement an effective inside/outside game.
2. McMillan’s substitution patterns don’t necessarily bother me — nor is his tight leash on point guards, for I’m also not fond of dribble-drive combo guards like Jerryd Bayless or turnover prone playmakers like Sergio Rodriguez — though, I do have some trouble with how he’s slow to make adjustments, with the playoffs being a fine example when he didn’t have Joel Przybilla front Yao Ming in Game 1, played Channing Frye extended minuets at center in spite of it weakening the defense, and waited ’til Game 6 to curtail the minutes of an ineffective Nicoals Batum.
3. I believe McMillan does several positive things, but he has a few fatal flaws — which include his inability to integrate post play on offense, the way he instructs Greg Oden to ineffectively defend the pick-and-roll by having him come out and get into foul trouble rather than stay at home to protect the rim, and his rigidness when it comes to making needed adjustments — as a result, I desire an upgrade at the head coaching position in Portland.
All things considered, McMillan is an average coach in my mind. Portland can do better than average, though, especially at the head coaching spot.
Oh, and on one final note, I’m certainly not the most “respected poster” around Blazer’s Edge, since I can be an obnoxious blowhard from time to time. Nobody is 100% perfect 100% of the time, though.
by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for not hatin on me...and thanks for clarifying
One question I have regarding the first fatal flaw you listed. Do you really think it’s Nates inability to integrate post play or a lack of an effectiive post option? And is it’s Nates instruction or GO’s inexperience that causes the P&R defense problems. Joel doesn’t get caught the way Greg does so he’s not being instructed this way…right?
I’ll will give you the need for some adjustments part but you said it yourself no one is perfect 100% of the time. I think he will change that as he gets more confidence in his young guys.
I’ll also agree with your lack of condifence in Bayless and Sergio. While I’d like to believe the PG of the future stuff regarding Bayless in my heart I don’t think it’ll ever happen.
I guess the bottom line remains agree to disagree… I like Nate and you don’t… It happens.
by Ilikeemall on Jun 24, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On your points
1.) I agree the offense is simple. That said I still believe it had to do with players that were still learning fundamentals. As last season progressed I saw more things in the mix and I was screaming at my screen less. Did you observe the same thing? If so, I think that lends a little credence to this possibility. If it’s not nate coatching to his players ability, then yes… serious issue.
2.) Slow to adjustment. I can’t and won’t argue that point. 100% agree. I think nate learns after the year has gone by, but in the moment… he sticks with his plan. I don’t have a problem in the regular season as there are reasons to do that, but the playoffs are a different game and adjustments HAVE to be made.
3.) I disagree with you on this point. My understand is that Nate is attempting to teach Greg habits now that will make him, and the team, better in the future. I’d be interested in watching how things turn out next season.
Despite all the listed issues with Nate, he still took a very young team and got quite a few wins with them. I do not believe that’s luck. maybe nate sucks at the X and O’s like Phil. Phil had people under him who were amazing, and maybe instead of tossing Nate, he needs someone to compliment the skills he lacks. Nate does appear to have a few strong points as he’s able to make an extremely young team succeed.
Additionally… I still don’t understand why you like Jeff. Reading above your reasoning seems to be based on “I want Jeff because I don’t like Nate”. What does Jeff bring to the table? How is he an all around better coach than Nate?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jun 25, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy's career W-L is .575
http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/vanguje99c.html
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're overrating Van Gundy
Forget that he’s a disciple of Pat Riley, which automatically makes him a worthless hack (this may or may not be an opinion).
JVG has coached 11 seasons in the NBA. Know how many of those teams finished better than 15th in offensive efficiency? None. His teams run at a snail pace, but rarely execute in the half-court all that well. It’s why his Knicks teams always turned playoff games into slugfests.
I’ll be nicer to him about his stint in Houston because we never know what could have happened with a healthy Yao and McGrady. I’ll note that he never got along with McGrady, and despite his engaging demeanor on TV always had the reputation as a stressed-out lunatic in New York.
Also, if you seriously respect the head coaching prowess of Doug Collins, please reconsider before I write a 10,000 world comment about how much of a hack he is. Seriously, if there’s one coach who defines “overrated” It’s Doug.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"[Jeff Van Gundy] had the reputation as a stressed-out lunatic in New York."
Oh, I won’t deny that whatsoever. In fact, here’s my favorite article on that subject.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03062009/sports/moresports/shaq_cant_stan_d_van_gundy_158299.htm?&page=0
Oh, and even though I enjoyed that piece, I despise Peter Vecsey with a passion.
by AK1984 on Jun 25, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, to add on
You’re basically preaching for the opposite of Nate McMillan, a guy who knows how to coach a physically imposing team. Maybe he’d be better in Portland dealing with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden in their primes, but coaches so rarely change their styles or tendencies.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Hinrich
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone
saying that if Nate leaves they would be fine with Monty as head coach is thinking to small. He’s a great guy, but come on, eyes on the prize, if Nate leaves, it will be time to get a real head coach with experience and a good long resume.
- Sam
by RipCitySam on Jun 24, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
like phil jackson.
jk
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jun 24, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice...
nate leaves once his contract is gone and the next year ptb beats la in the wc finals
fire nate before its too late
by pipgras on Jun 24, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well,
Nate could go for sure. I mean, the Lakers would pretty much be gift-wrapped to him for another championship. However, I don’t see Nate having as much sway or influence there (within the organization) as he does here in PDX. Maybe this is a huge determining factor.
by Stryder9 on Jun 24, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is bogus.
Kobe’s #1 choice to coach the L*kers is Coach K.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jun 25, 2009 1:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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