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Locked and loaded is this team wcf ready?


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Portland the way it is constructed right now knowing what we know can it make it to the WCF and compete for a finals appearance?  There is so much trade talk but do we really need to make a move? Portland is probably going to lose Frye and Sergio, we know Ruffin will not be back and Randolph? Whoopie.

Look at this team right now and really think about it.

PG. Blake/Bayless   That is a solid backcourt that should improve dramatically  this upcoming season.

SG. Roy/Rudy   Thats as good a tandum as any team in the league (actually maybe the best) and it will undoubtedly be better next season.

SF.  Batum/Outlaw/Webster   There is so much talk about getting a vet sf this tandum looks pretty darn good as it stands and it will be alot better next season.

PF.   LA   Aldridge is a absolute stud at the 4 but this area should be the main focus of this offseason we dont need upgrades at positions that are already stacked we need to look at addressing the one position that truely needs to be addressed some help at the backup pf.

C.  Pryz/Oden   Name a better combo in the league today at the center position sure we all wanted Oden to put up numbers like a seasoned vet would but the reality is that was Odens rookie year and it was actually a pretty good debut.

Trades! We have to make a deal! Lets upgrade this position or that one! Why?  Do we really need to do anything more then use the money we will have this summer to shore up a backup 4. LA is going to play 40 minutes a night anyways most nights.  Right now the day before the draft there are so many people wanting change just to make a change.  Portland is young!  Think about  Roy and LA entering there 4th seasons Blake is a vet Pryz is definatly a vet and as scary as it sounds this will be Outlaw entering year 7. Oh yea Martell will be entering year 5.  Just because there young does not mean we do not have veteran leadership scattered all over the team. Portland got there first taste of the playoffs last season with this current roster they got a close up view of what it is going to take to win.  Roy has willed this talented team to reach new goals every season.  I think the roster as it it stands right now is going to push for the wcf or maybe even a finals appearance. Think about if we got the lakers in the wcf are we really that far behind them?

Do we really need to break this team up for minor upgrades that we do not know how they will fit with this current roster. Please someone help me buy into the hype of making a deal or tell me we are closer then we realise to becoming the team to beat.

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"as scary as it sounds this will be Outlaw entering year 7"

Do you mean it’s scary because he’s been in the league 7 years and has one skill?

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Jun 24, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Elastic Man only has 1 skill, too, but that doesn't stop him from protecting us from Evil Doers...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 24, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Here is what I don't get

I bet if we checked the archives, some of the people that are desperate for a trade or big move in the draft were mad when the Blazers got knocked out of the playoff because they though the Blazers could have made it to the Finals. So were the Blazers a Finals team, or do they need a huge change to make it to the Finals?

by tominhawaii on Jun 24, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily a "huge" change

But they will need more than Blake/Bayless at PG to reach the finals

(and they need to add more toughness, in the opinion of the coaching staff and front office)

So, standing pat is not an option. And it’s not just “some Bedgers” who are thinking that way

The only remaining question is: what trade constitutes a “huge” change and what doesn’t? The bigger the talent upgrade, the more talent needs to be dealt. For some Bedgers, trading Rudy (etc) would be “huge”! For other Bedgers, if dealing Rudy (etc) brings back a PG like Devin Harris, it would be worth the roster “shakeup”

But this roster will be changed, before they reach next year’s playoffs. Whether the changes will be enough to help them reach the WCF, time will tell.

by two4larue on Jun 24, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I share your belief that the core of the team is more or less in place...

There absolutely, positively has to be a tough low-post 4 added this year… Whether that is through the draft, moving up for Blair etc., or through free agency, getting Cuban to say uncle on Brandon Bass etc., or through a trade — that’s less critical. The key thing is that KP needs to do SOMETHING this year.

I think KP has signaled his basic satisfaction with Steve Blake as the starting PG. Remember that he uses proprietary Money Ball-type stats to which no one else has access, so he may well have extremely valid numbers backing up this preference.

I have a hunch that if the Blazers pick the 24 for themselves, the guy is Pendergraph — not Casspi, not Teague, not Collison. Pendergraph’s name seems to be sneaking into the first round of some of the most current mocks and that will probably be enough to trip it for KP. He’s less than 50-50 to be there at #33 now, and you do NOT want San Antonio buying the pick from the Lakers or the Cavs, for example, to snag him…

I still think there is another target further up the board and that KP will move for him. Ty Lawson? Not sure of that. The guy that SOUNDS like a KP player is Tyreke Evans, being 6’6" and all — KP likes ’em tall. But that means getting Minnesota to part with their #6 pick to make that possible. Good luck with that.

One thing that WON’T be happening is a trade out of the first round. There are roster spots available and the cost of a #24 guaranteed contract is relatively minimal in NBA terms…

We need to start a pool on this, eh?

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 24, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyreke Evans is the object of the Randy Foye trade, it would seem. Never mind.

A Day Away and Options, Options Everywhere

By Jerry Zgoda
Minneapolis Star-Tribune On The Wolves blog

The Wolves and Wizards are expected to finalize that six-piece trade this morning.

What will the Wolves do with those fifth and sixth picks now?

It’ll be a long day answering David Kahn’s phone for the next two days.

If they keep those two picks, there’s a growing chance Ricky Rubio falls to them at No. 5.

I’m hearing David Kahn really wants Tyreke Evans, but Sacramento could pass on Rubio if he’s still there at 4 (and probably will be) and take Evans instead.

The Wolves also have Syracuse point guard Jonny Flynn high on their guard list and wouldn’t whine if Arizona State’s James Harden lasted until the fifth pick, either.

Flynn also is a possibility for the Kings at No. 4, if they opt for a true point guard to put next to Kevin Martin rather than a combo guy like Evans.

Might Kahn use the 18th and/or 28th picks to swap with the Thunder at 3 and move up past the Kings to take Evans rather than Rubio (assuming Memphis grabs Thabeet second)?

Sacramento then takes Flynn or Rubio and OKC gets Harden anyway and the Wolves take Curry’s shooting to pair with Evans’ slashing and Al Jefferson’s low-post game.

Next summer, in a draft projected to be thick with big men, the Wolves then use one of their two first-round picks to find a low-post defender to supplement Jefferson and Kevin Love.

Anyway you look at, this first trade appears to commit Kahn to going even younger than the Wolves already had gone. * * *

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 24, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I generally agree,

but I am not as convinced about Blake. I don’t think our PG position will improve this year. And Blake will continue to frustrate me with his overtly cautious game.

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by Fund A Mental on Jun 24, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll see your hunch

and raise you one strong suspicion. I think Pendergraph will be a Blazer in a couple of days.

Duct tape makes you smart.

by TTRocks on Jun 24, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was re-reading Mike Barrett's most recent piece and this spoke to me...
This is where they’ve built this team in recent years, and draft day, as you know, has been a vital day for this franchise. Some teams do it in August, some in January, some at the trade deadline. The Blazers take their swings on draft day.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 24, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

that the team as it is now comprised can challenge for the WCF, but is that our goal…a western conf finals appearance? The gap between making it to the WCF and winning the championship is vast (just ask Denver). Our goal is to win it all, and I would argue that we are not capable of winning the title withour some definate upgrades:

PG – “should improve dramatically this upcoming season.” On what basis? Blake is what he is, and is not likely to improve much more. Bayless should improve, but he will still be the back-up, so will that by itself be a major improvement? I think not. I believe the Blazers will make a move at the point, bringing in either a veteran like Hinrich, or possibly drafting a rookie if they can move up enough.

SG- Agree nothing needed here.

SF – This one is difficult. Everyone agrees on Batum’s potential, and I believe he is close to untouchable. The question is whether he is good enough now for us to make a serious run. And if he is not (which I feel he is a few years away), can we afford to stay with him as the starter during this time. So really the question is how well will Martell return from a whole year away? If he comes back well, then we are set. If not, we have issues. Outlaw does not flourish at the SF position. He is really a scoring PF (see below).

PF – Agree we are set with LMA as the starter. The question is what about the backup? Outlaw is a nice scorer off the bench, but he lacks defense, rebounding and toughness. I feel we do indeed need more of a banger as our backup PF, so this should also be addressed either via trade, free agency or the draft. Frye for sure and Outlaw will probably be moving on…

C – Agree we roll with Oden/Pryz.

In summary, our current roster is not capable of winning a title. We definately need to upgrade PG and back-up PF, and possibly need a short-term (next few years) upgrade at SF.

by socalblazer on Jun 24, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good summary

I think we need a patch at point guard until Bayless can take over. It seems like the team thinks he’s the future. The back up PF isn’t a big deal to me. That seems like an easy fix.

by tominhawaii on Jun 24, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Martell stays healthy

I am happy with our SF rotation.

by Falcao on Jun 24, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe signing Bowen or Udoka to a cheap contract

would be a good insurance policy.
I think Outlaw is gone.

by Falcao on Jun 24, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just ask denver???

Denver came a few possessions away from sweeping the L@kers. I don’t see them as a vastly inferior team.

by vullkem116 on Jun 24, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those few possessions

are what separate a wcf team from an NBA champion. Orlando can say the same thing against the Lakers. And we were a few possessions from beating the Rockets. That’s the NBA…

by socalblazer on Jun 24, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

There are a lot of years where a few possessions don’t matter though. Lots of former champions have simply dominated everyone and it would have taken dozens of possessions to change that. The NBA elites are pretty tight knit right now though.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NBA elites are pretty tight knit right now though

And KP needs to make a substantive move at PG

For Portland to break into that elite status

by two4larue on Jun 24, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what some people overlook

You hear things like, “If you’re not moving forward, you’re losing ground.” Or, “It’s an arms race.” Most recently, a lot of people just freaked out because San Antonio picked up a pretty good player in Jefferson, while sacrificing “spare parts”.

The fact is that most teams in the NBA have a mix of players whose careers are individually heading up or down. Every year, these teams must add some quality youth to replace an over-the-hill veteran, find a healthy body to replace a broken down one, or they must make moves that somehow ensure equivalent results.

However, the Blazers at this point are in a very rare position. Most of the players on their roster are arguably several years away from reaching their prime. What is more, the Blazers still have room for the kind of improvement that comes from players working together for years and developing an intuitive sense for how to best complement each other. This means, that EVEN IF THE BLAZERS MAKE NO MOVES whatsoever — do not draft anyone or make a trade — THE WILL BE A BETTER TEAM NEXT SEASON. Now consider that they won 54 games this past year.

Given that KP and the rest of the organization have shown outstanding ability to assess and creatively acquire talent, I do not expect the team to entirely stand pat. But I don’t expect any earth-shaking moves to be made, either. Nor should there be.

"Just kidding"

by CatMan2 on Jun 24, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

This is why I'd like to see a move at the 1 position where we don't have surefire young talent.

The PG spot! Sure, Bayless could work out, but what if he doesn’t?

We have THE BEST SG combo in the NBA. Kobe/Wade might be better than Roy, but neither of them come close to having a backup like Rudy.

Next year we should have a top 3 center combo in the NBA. Howard/Yao/Jeff might be better than Oden still, but who do they bring in off the bench? Not Joel, that’s for sure.

PF/SF we will be a bit weaker. We need someone to cover LMA and our SFs are still very young. We can accept that though since we have seen that Batum will be a decent SF at worst and Webster improved each of his 3 years (if he gets healthy.)

PG we have… a 20ish ranked starter and a rookie that we hope will be good. Big ??? there that I would like to see go bye bye.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

I couldnt agree with you more!!

Greg Oden = Robert Parish - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946

by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jun 24, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I do think this team can go to the WCF this year, even with no moves

The reason I feel that there need to be moves right now is that there is a huge gap between a WCF team and a title team, and the Blazers may not (and probably won’t) get a better chance to improve than right now.

by jksnake99 on Jun 24, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree and have said so elsewhere

But I would point out that there is a possibility that the blazer’s won’t win more games than last year if the blazer’s make a point of going to Oden 15 to 20 times a game. He’s still raw offensively and the blazer’s can expect to lose some offensive efficiency as a result. That’s why I think if the blazer’s don’t acquire a point guard in the draft, they should try to get a good defensive guard to help stop penetrations in the paint, which, i think is the biggest weakness the blazers will have when they get into the playoffs.

by 7677maniac on Jun 24, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raw offensively true

And force feeding him might hurt offensive efficiency a little, but if he stays on the court longer it should help our defensive efficiency a little too. Przybilla is good, but he’s not what a healthy Oden can be.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about our back court defense?

What would do? Or don’t you agree that the blazer’s are too porous?

by 7677maniac on Jun 24, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pores are acceptable

as long as they only open up to big men in the lane. SA never won a title using lock-down defnse from their backcourt. But Ginobli, parker, and finley know how to funnel player into Duncan. Blake is actually pretty good at this as well. Brandon is passable and Rudy still needs some work but he has the idea. Our more important need is for greg to meet guys near the rim instead of on the drive. That’s what we can no longer accept from our team.

by NWfan on Jun 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Organic development"

8 of the Blazers 10 rotation players are under the age of 25. That is simply unheard of in the NBA. Add on the fact that this roster won 54 games, and four of our guys were rookies, and you get the real sense of just how young the team really is. Young players mostly get better, certainly the four rookies all look like they have potential for significant improvement. Webster also seems like a strong candidate for improvement, if his foot holds up.

Oden is the key, if he can stay healthy and reduce his fouling enough to average 30 minutes/game, we are in the hunt. Modest improvement in conditioning, restored athleticism, and defensive footwork will be enough to make GO a real force in the paint. A slight uptick in offensive performance, say one solid, consistent low post move, on top of his put backs and maybe a little pick and roll action, and Greg will be average 10-12 boards and 15-18 points. I think he is a lot closer to being a real weapon that a lot of folks realize. We don’t need him to make miraculous improvement; we just need him to make the improvement you would expect of a second year big man coming off of micro-fracture.

Adding Oden’s scoring potential to what we already have is going to make the team increasingly difficult to defend.
Last year, teams could concentrate on Roy and LMA, if the other guys were not hitting open shots the offense would tend to bog down. It happened frequently on the road. The shooters got tight, and everyone started standing around waiting for Roy to bail them out. Oden adds a huge threat that has to be accounted for and will cut down on teams ability to key so strongly on Roy and LMA.

Better PG play would certainly help, and I have been one of many hoping that Hinrich or Conley or some sort of moderate upgrade that would not gut our depth will become available. But I don’t think the need is so desperate that we should overpay in a trade, or overspend for an aging FA.

Opinions about Bayless vary widely, from those who have already labelled him a bust to those who think he is a sure-fire bet to be a star. My own position is enthusiastic optimism tinged with caution. I think he has all the physical tools and the right work ethic, but decision making is a very tough skill to predict. Some guys can develop it, some guys never do.

If we can’t get Hinrich or Conley or some other somewhat established PG, I can see trying to move up and take Lawson, or maybe Collison, as a sort of insurance policy against injury or Bayless failing to pan out. Lawson seems like a good character guy. His skill set is different enough from Bayless that he might help us defensively against the uber-quick, ultra small guards that give Blake so much trouble. Lawson comes across as a guy who would likely be OK with sitting while Bayless gets a decent shot at showing what he can do.

OTOH, I am skeptical about bringing in any of the top lottery pick PGs. If KP does so, he better be absolutely sure he has found a guy who is going to be the long term answer at PG, otherwise, we are looking at more PT controversy and the inevitable problems of trying to develop two highly rated young guys with little time for either. I am particularly skeptical of the really young guys because they are likely to need more time to be ready. If we are going to draft yet another PG, lets get someone who is either a sure bet starter, or someone who is an NBA ready back-up. No more gambles.

by upper left corner on Jun 24, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

This is exactly how I believe.

Thanks for writing down all my thoughts so I didn’t have to.

by lrh86 on Jun 24, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice post

I agree with most of it, but I want to say that Oden isn’t going to be in the 15-18 range next season. I think 12-14 is more reasonable. He’ll have his athleticism back, but he still won’t know how to play against NBA centers. I expect to see quite a few 20 point games, but I think his average will be about 13.

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by Magnum on Jun 24, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing to note

We simply do not have the minutes to develop the roster.

We can talk about Batum’s, Rudy’s and Bayless’ potential all we want, but there is a good chance there won’t be enough playing time to develop them. If Martel comes back healthy we have limited minutes to split between a lot of players.

Making a trade now makes a lot of sense.

a. We have cap space that we won’t have next year.
b. We have young players with evident potential and low salaries. If Batum, Trout or Martel spend most of next year getting garbage minutes their value is only going to decrease from where it’s at now. Channing was worth something last year. This year he’s not worth much even as a bargaining chip.
c. We have huge exploitable holes that will prevent us from getting to the next level. Any team with suspect pick and roll defense is going to be picked and rolled to death.
d. We are betting on potential instead of actual performance. If Batum or Bayless hit a ceiling lower than we need, we won’t be able to upgrade in 2 years. We’ll be at the luxury tax threshhold holding onto 5-6 role players searching for a starter for either the 1 or the 3.

by boppitywop on Jun 24, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PG

I understand we all really want an upgrade at point guard, but even if we got a great player will Nate let him play the style of ball that lets a great pg do his thing? Sergio is pretty creative but if he has a couple bad pass’s he is benched. Nate likes that middle of the road tempo, he can talk all day about wanting his teams to fast break but you never see the team really get out and run hard on a to or long rebound which makes me think he is holding the team back for a reason. Clock management seems more a priority then running and gunning. I have no problems with Portland upgrading just not sure it will turn out any different then what we already are doing.

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by Dragonage on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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