Blazers' Richard Jefferson Trade Reaction
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 4:50 PM PDT
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A few notes on today's big NBA news, the Miwaukee Bucks trade of Richard Jefferson to the San Antonio Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas.
As I tweeted this morning and you might have read on True Hoop, I spoke with Blazers assistant and former Spurs assistant Monty Williams after the pre-draft workouts today. In between shagging basketballs for his two young daughters (who, according to their dad, need to work on their shot selection), Monty gave his informed opinion of the Jefferson trade. His take was that the time was right for the Spurs to make a move but that the overall success of the deal might hinge on who (if anyone) the Spurs re-acquired.
Monty stated pretty firmly that he felt the Spurs were more likely to re-acquire Fabricio Oberto than Bruce Bowen. He also seemed to believe that this trade could be a signal for the end of Ime Udoka's tenure in San Antonio.
From all appearances, Monty and Bowen are close friends so I consider his take on how the trade fallout might shake out to be very reliable. Indeed, Bowen's later statement seems to almost instantly confirm Monty's take.
Kevin Pritchard also briefly addressed the trade, stating, "The West is an arms race. It feels like it gets better every summer. The Spurs are a great team and they are going to be a team to contend with."
He went on to say, "I feel like this draft is like an audible -- you've got to be prepared for everything and you've got to be thinking on your feet." Pritchard noted that the team has its targets in sight, "We know who we like. but how it plays out, we have no idea." He said the next two days will involve "a lot of debating. A lot of looking out there and seeing what's truly real and what's just playing around... now it's not about fluff."
Pritchard spoke for roughly 2 minutes before returning to his office. So you know that means it's go time.
Tomorrow, I will post the final Draft Prospect Board, which will include thoughts and notes regarding Nando De Colo, the forgotten man of today's workouts.
Update: Use this thread for confirmed trade discussion as apparently deals are breaking left and right.
Trade #1: Randy Foye and Mike Miller to Washington for #5 Pick, Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila and Oleksiy Pecherov
Trade #2: Looks like Oberto's path just took another turn. Oberto has been traded to Detroit for Amir Johnson. The Pistons will apparently clear nearly 2 million dollars by waiving Oberto.
If other deals break tonight, this thread will be updated.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Foye, Miller
for salary and the 5th?
Guess that deal of Blake, TO and the 24th was way out of the park for the 5th.
Collegiate stats:
NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to
NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to
Wizards #5 pick: gonzo
“The Washington Wizards are close to a deal that would send the No. 5 pick in Thursday’s draft, Oleksiy Pecherov, Etan Thomas and Darius Songaila to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Randy Foye and Mike Miller, a league source told ESPN The Magazine’s Ric Bucher on Tuesday.
Chad Ford projects the destinations of the top players in Thursday’s NBA draft. Story
The Wolves would then keep the draft pick and their own selection at No. 6 and not try to package those to move up, a source told ESPN.com’s Andy Katz.“”http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4282279" target="new">
PWN3D
Wow...
Washington should be good next year… A lot of shooting (jump-shooting predominantly) but if they stay healthy, they should be good.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 23, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree
They got to finally dump Etan Thomas (who I wouldn’t have completely hated as a backup PF/C here), get 2 serviceable players relatively cheaply and – Agent Zero’s health permitting – have a veteran crew capable of contending, finally. I think this makes trading out of the draft entirely more likely for KP and crew.
PWN3D
I think they'll still be a 45 win area team
Even if healthy.
Just no defense, all jump shooting. It’s that upper middle range of mediocrity that is the worst, since you’ll never do much in the playoffs and never get a good draft position.
They'll make the playoffs in the East
Which is like saying you got to third base with a total pig. Or ate turd-flavored ice cream.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 24, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
They make turd - flavored ice cream?
What’s it taste like?
By the way, you shouldn’t refer to your wife like that.
hakkaa päälle !
Foye is your combo guard to pair with Arenas
They should make a nice backcourt. It does surprise me a little but I guess MN could end up good from it depending on who they draft.
by danielfarrell on Jun 23, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
gread idea. go ahead and use this thread for confirmed trade talk. i updated it above.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone should make a fanpost. By someone, not me, since I'm usually pretty slow on updates.
It’ll get recommended to the top ASAP.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
So...
The Bucks are probably looking at…
Sessions (assuming they re-sign him)
Redd
Joe Alexander/Amir Johnson
Amir Johnson
Andrew Bogut
And Detroit gets more cap space, correct? This means they no longer have Amir Johnson’s huge cap hold… It’s amazing what a couple seasons can do to a player. Two years ago Amir was probably one of the more untouchable young players in the league, now he’s traded in a cost-cutting move.
Also, it’s important to note: The Blazers could’ve acquired Amir Johnson with their cap space… Hopefully this means we’re targeting someone bigger and better than him.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 23, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt he's done travelling...
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 23, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
bucks could keep amir johnson and get rid of villanueva. that’s the cheapest set up right?
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks Ben
yikes – I need Tom Penn to explain how you can trade a guy who hasn’t officially been traded to you yet
PWN3D
I think this trade also puts to rest any rumors/ideas about acquiring Tony Parker this year
Spurs are not rebuilding, they are reloading to contend for a title.
yeah they are taking at least one more run at it.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
One more season...
The R-Jeff deal seems like a “last gasp,” right?
Basically every team knew he could be had for little more than expiring contracts…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 23, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be more than one season
The critical factor is Timmy’s health. And they could bring in Tiago Splitter this year or next year to improve that, arguably the best C/PF in Europe right now. His team sponsor is broke, he has buyouts, and now they could offer him more than the rookie scale because he didn’t come over for three years.
hrm...guess the wolves want no more of the roy vs foye deal 4 times a year.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
There were rumors (or rather statements to season ticket holders) Kahn instantly came in and stated his dislike for Foye and that deal.
Kahn sucks by my measure
I loved the trade!
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jun 23, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No rumors...
…he straight up said that it was a terrible deal to a room full of season ticket holders. In practically the next sentence he talked about how the team had two good expiring contracts in Miller and Foye.
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ok lets play mock draft who do you take if you are minnesota at 5 and 6 assuming you keep both picks…
lets assume griffin, thabeet, harden, and rubio are off the board.
i take evans and derozan to sell tickets and give fans hope, i guess.
will minny really keep both lottery picks???
From a poster at Canis Hoopus
Cool . . .
Column A
Thabeet
Harden
Evans
DeRozan
Column B
Curry
Flynn
Lawson
Holiday
What is the interest in Jrue Holiday?
Just about everything I’ve read on his team work out performances has been either mediocre or down right poor. Is he another of these highly touted skills guys that really hasn’t accomplished anything yet?
hakkaa päälle !
all upside. that’s it. i would take him no higher than 15 but this is the draft when guys like him skyrocket.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Holiday
Plays excellent defense. That is the only thing Batum had going for him as well. Except Jrue has experience in a slow offense.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
They're definitely taking Curry with one of them...
Probably Evans with the other. Then trade Curry to NY for the #8 and some consideration and use the 8 to grab DeRozan…
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
Who does MN even have anymore?
I mean, they have Jefferson and Love… I would go for a new backcourt and take Jennings and Evans and let them go wild.
by danielfarrell on Jun 23, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if Gomes would object to being overlooked?
Bigger question: is Gomes now available as a backup PF? 6’7 and 245 = frontline beef
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
My apologies to Mr Gomes
I haven’t watched much MN ball… looking at the stats he deserves a mention with Jefferson and Love. Their 3 best players are now PFs, awesome.
by danielfarrell on Jun 23, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Gomes for Outlaw....
I’m preaching this till someone tells me to stop
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That'd be fine
You’d lose the chance for big points in a hurry, got Gomes is sorta a poor man’s Odom. Versatile.
Foye is gone, almost guaranteeing Evans or Curry
Why not both? Isn’t Evans a 6’5 version of Foye, and Curry a rich man’s Telfair?
However, it is almost guaranteed they take Curry/Evans and DeRozan.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyreke Evans is nothing like Randy Foye, while Stephen Curry is nothing like Sebastian Telfair.
Evans is a tall, defensive-minded combo guard with mediocre playmaking skills and an poor jumper, Foye is a short, dribble-drive combo guard who’s subpar on defense and inefficient at shooting the ball, Curry is a sharp-shooting combo guard with who sucks defensively due to terrible athleticism, and Telfair is a pure point guard who sucks at everything from defense to rebounding to shooting to basketball IQ.
Evans = Larry Hughes
Curry = Trajan Langdon
Foye = Ronald Murray
Telfair = Will Solomon
The per-minute statistical comparison between Foye and Murray is staggering to the untrained eye, with the only real noticeable difference between them being Foye’s superior long-distance shooting efficiency. Other than that, though, they’re practically equals.
by AK1984 on Jun 23, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
RUMINT...
….has it that they want to package 18 and 6 to the Griz and end up with Rubio up top and Evans, Harden, or DeRozan at the other guard spot. It is believed that Kahn wants Rubio and Thabeet but I don’t see how he makes that happen.
There also appears to be some internal debate about whether or not they should keep the 2 picks or make a move for Rubio. Either way, they likely end up with their starting back court….which is good because right now they’re starting Bassy + Bobby Brown.
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Biggest news of the day
is that we no longer have to listen to Rice pine for Miller….
Lol Kevin Love
ESPN should have let me break the news…haters!!!
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
did he tweet that?
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
Hard to speculate about
Without knowing who they’re drafting at 5 and 6, I don’t know if they’d want any of our spare parts (with apologies to Sergio and Trout). And the 24 is probably not very interesting to them in a trade-up to 18
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well shoot
I remember us having 2 lottery picks in ‘the worst draft ever’, and we did fine.
There’s always diamonds that everyone overlooks or underrates. Now I dunno if they’ll find them, but they’re more likely now that McHale is gone.
Nice Mort!
Combine short memories with the inflated sense of excitement from all the suppossedly unlimited possibilities of the draft and draft day trades and it is easy for people to lose a little perspective.
Personally, I don’t believe anything I hear leading up to the draft or on possible trades during the summer. At this point I’ll just sit back and wait to see what Mr. Pritchard does.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jun 23, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Should we pick up bowen?
if he gets released it might be a tough vet that could help batum learn D
Except he plays the 3
Which I can’t imagine that we’ll address except through a trade, as we have three of them.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I do like the idea of him teaching Nic to get a mean streak. Nic’s natural gifts + Bowen’s veteran tricks (read: dirty play) = defensive nightmare.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowen and Monty are good friends.
So it could happen. We have a lot of guys that could learn some of Bowen’s tricks.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Jun 23, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
they can't just leave Bruce stuck in Milwaukee to finish up his career
can they?
I suppose it’s fitting, Bowen was a real jerk…unless you’re a Spur’s fan
That would be amazing
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 23, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
he will prob go back to the spurs u know they always get their players back they trade away
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
After the way Bruce Bowen played dirty against Ray Allen back in the day, I'd have a difficult time ...
rooting for the Portland Trail Blazers if he signed with the team. Rather than Bowen, however, Ime Udoka could bring that same veteran presence — albeit without the dirty play — as the third-string small forward who works with Nicolas Batum.
not even close
udoka has no where near the experience on or off the court that bowen does, unless maybe we are talking about the experience of not being able to make it past the summer league cuts. but i do like udoka being a local guy who doesnt expect a lot of pt or money.
fire nate before its too late
Teams are getting better left and right!
KP please show us your magic.
ask and he shall deliver
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
I love this time of year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
by Kingzilla on Jun 23, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
you'll come around
once KP makes a trade, you’ll be right in there with the rest of us discussing all of the particulars and ready to fall in love with the new player(s) he acquires
(for now, you’re just having pre-deal anxiety)
For now, (as Bob Knight once said…) just relax and enjoy the inevitable
I'm a Blazers fan
I don’t give a crap about anyone who is not a Blazer. This time of year, all anyone wants to do is talk about players that are not Blazers and talk crap about the Blazers they want traded. This time of year sucks.
I will be just as stoked as the next guy if the Blazers make a move that makes the team better. I know that could take losing a player I like because that is all part of the game. I will however, never enjoy trade talk based on rumors, which always happens around the draft and the trade deadline. The draft is cool, it is everything else that comes with it that I do not like. The proof is in the sidebar.
by tominhawaii on Jun 24, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember saying something like that to a girlfriend.
I believe she was bent over at the time.
hakkaa päälle !
Trade option:
Gomes and #6 for Sergio and Outlaw and #24
They like Gomes enough
They would move him, but they wouldn’t move the #6 with it for that package.
Who ya want at #6?
i dont see anyone of roster value to us at 6 maybe just trade bait players
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
I gave up on the 6 when I started testing the trade with the Trade Machine
I don’t really see any value at 6 for this roster (i’m not a big “draft another rookie PG proponent”). However, Outlaw for Craig Smith/Gomes types work. It just won’t work till after July 1 due to BYC for Gomes/Smith.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
However, if the Blazers really do want Curry or Evans - this would work
Bayless; Outlaw for #6 and a PF (Gomes/Smith) and one of our lower picks. I’m assuming Smith is still healthy.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
KP has to make a move now We cant stand pat anymore trade for G Wallace!!!!
the spurs just got way better and with oberto possibly getting waived by the pistons and going back to the spurs they look like great contenders.
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
Is there something better out there for us?
I wonder if KP has been blackballed in the trade talks… or just down right lied to…..
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
If they want our players they'll work with KP
It’s still early, and aside from a few minor deals only R-Jeff has been moved, right?
and the rondo rumors seem to have some truth to them
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
The leak could be leaked to drive up his trade value
Could be to scare Rondo that he’ll be in Memphis. Could be a lot of things smoke screeny about it…
To me, he’s been too good to move for Gay and Conley. But we will see, who knows?
As I mentioned in the other thread
My unfounded theory is that the Celtics know KG’s injury is uber-serious, maybe career-ending, and they are trying to completely retool their team.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
My wifey is a lawyer here in LA
Don’t worry about the BAR horror stories. You went to a good school; those who went to accredited schools pass it like 90% of the time the first time. The ones who went to non-accredited are the ones who drag down the averages and make the Cali BAR seem like the toughest in the nation.
This is your first time taking it?
First time
I’m not actually worried – I just have a lot of work to do, and little motivation with which to do it at the moment.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
lawyer hu....
(insert some overly offensive vulgar taunt here)
:)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
i was just about to qoute you on that
maybe KG = 2009 D Miles ?
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
Calm down everyone.
KP makes his splash on draft night. He lets the opening act create some noise then comes in later for the climax.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Brockman is a more than capable backup PF
He is a total garbage hound with excellent strength and a relentless motor. To denigrate his name with Ruffin is a travesty
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, he is vertically challenged.
However, 6’7 isn’t that short. And – he has good hands around the basket.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I for one will be VERY happy with KP if he spends one of the 50s picks on Brockman...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
ruffin’s career numbers >>>>>>>>>>>> brockman’s
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
you play as long as Ruffin, and 3.5 ppg adds up
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Somehow, I managed to overrate Ruffin
1.7 ppg, career average. And I realize that rooting for a Dawg carries certain risks on this blog, unless you happen to be a BROY….
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Awwwwww, you're a Draft Kevin Durant guy — large shaker of salt at the ready, you're the tomato...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You must not know much about Mike Ruffin.
Except for the garbage hound part, your Brockman description would fit Ruffin. He has no offensive game, but he’s strong, hard working, a good teammate and a nice veteran for a young team. Portland could do worse than keeping Ruffin around.
They should also be able to better, but that’s no reason to denigrate Michael Ruffin.
hakkaa päälle !
Yeah, and Ruffin is the kind of guy you get dicey with.
KG would pee his pants if Ruffin had ever gotten pissed at him this last year (seeing as how KG gets frightened by almost anyone near his size).
If Brockman can't average better than 2 points a game
I’ll concede the point.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
no reason to denigrate Outlaw or Blake either
but people do it all the time. – elgin
Without you out there, we're nowhere here
he could just be
positioning for a free agent
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
The draft needs to happen right now
It’s absolutely DESTROYING my ability to study for the bar.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions
ive given up school for this week
only way i can study is if i was in blazerology 101
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
Bars are easy
Just look for the woman or the guy with the apron and tell them what you want to drink. No studying needed…
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
by johnv59 on Jun 23, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
If only it were that easy – I already consider myself quite the expert at that.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously though...
Good luck!
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
Well, this puts Roy versus Foye to bed for good
Roy is already a two time All-Star and Foye is throw-in trade filler.
It makes me wonder what Minnesota has planned at the shooting guard position though. Curry is undersized at that spot, but so was Foye.
Evans, Henderson( overrated) and Derozen are all SG prospects around that pick
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
I'm pretty sure that debate was put to bed some time ago.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm holding out hope
This will be the year Foye makes that jump and makes us look like chumps for pimping Roy.
so their lineup is foye, gilbert, butler, jamison, miller, haywood and that’s their playoff team………………………………………..
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like a good like up to me can crack top 5 in the west with stay granted they all stay healthy
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
im sure i can find 4 other guys on the street and make a run at a playoff spot in the east
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
good eye i mean EAST
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
No defense no defense no defense
And no PG.
I see them being like how they always were when healthy— an upper middle Eastern playoff team that, depending on matchup, CAN get into the 2nd round before losing to the Cavs or the Magic or the Celtics. Nuthin’ mo’.
Ford said Grunfeld has been turning down all Butler inquiries
by kobisportsguy on Jun 23, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I sure wouldn't keep Miller and trade Butler
Who would?
by kobisportsguy on Jun 23, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I would, for the right player. What do they need?
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
joel is going nowhere
"We really don't reference the rulebook." ~Joe Borgia, NBA VP of referee operations, to Henry Abbot regarding the calling (or lack thereof) of traveling.
As much as I like Prz and don't think we need a 3
Butler is a superior value, just not necessarily a superior fit.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really.
Heywood is pretty decent, even good when he has his head in the game. And they see their top pick from last year Javalle (sp?) McGee as a nice understudy.
hakkaa päälle !
I don't disagree with you
I’d also call it the biggest weakness on the team.
by kobisportsguy on Jun 23, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
depends on what they can get for butler… he’s their only solid trade asset and the rest of their roster is terrible
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
do you think david kahn spends tonight trading the #5 pick to himself for the #6 pick plus the spare change in his pocket?
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Wouldn't that be something?
I love that deal on the surface… for both teams.
by kobisportsguy on Jun 23, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I kind of like it for memphis
their problem is that hits draft is guard heavy and they’d be set at both guard positions
Somehow the thought of Oberto as a tasty snack
makes me want to hurl.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Oberto has my vote.......
So much for he cant be traded for 30 days since he was just traded. Go get him KP !!!!
no need to trade...Detroit is likely to waive him since his contract is non-guaranteed
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You do not give away bigs that way, particularly since Hashweed is going to be sparechanging for $8M this off-season...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It's a contract thing
Johnson and Oberto have essentially the same cap hit, unless Oberto’s non-guaranteed is not guaranteed. You don’t give away players like Johnson a lot less than you don’t give away players like Oberto (somewhere in all those double negatives is a semblance of logic)
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Oberto hasn't been traded yet
Which is why he was traded “twice” the trade isn’t official until Etan Thomas formally accepts his player option. Since he hasn’t done that yet, there has been no trade. This is now a three team trade. If the first trade were official, than there would be a waiting period before Oberto could be traded again.
Toronto Raptors GM
by Salem Stephen on Jun 24, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Players can be dealt again right away after being traded, but that's only if they're the sole ...
outgoing asset in the second deal. Regarding Fabricio Oberto, that’s the case in this instance.
For example, that exact scenario happened with Rasheed Wallace back when he was traded from Portland to Atlanta on 2/9/2004 and, in turn, was traded from Atlanta to Detroit in a three-team deal on 2/19/2004..
http://www.nba.com/news/trade_040209.html
http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/rwallace_040219.html
Also, I’m sure that Etan Thomas has already declined his early termination option — which is different than a player option — as the Minnesota/Washington trade of Randy Foye and Mike Miller for Thomas, Darius Songaila, Oleksiy Pecherov, and the 5th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft has reportedly been approved by the NBA League Office.
What, however, does that have to do with Oberto? Oberto and Thomas were involved in entirely separate transactions.
5th and 6th pick
Looks like Kahn is trying to make a name for himself nice and early. Taking the KP approach to the draft.
Guessing they might try and take Rubio (Not sure if he will slip past 4)with one of the picks and maybe Curry. Don’t see their need for a big man with Love and Jefferson.
They might alos trade the 6th pick away for some players as well, looks like this is going to be a most interesting draft.
They need a real center
Jefferson can do it, but not against good centers in the playoffs.
I don’t think they can get it in the draft without trying for ThaBest… so I dunno.
Here's a report from Minny, this AM before the deal
Wolves work to speak with Thabeet, Rubio
The Timberwolves on Monday worked to speak with Connecticut center Hasheem Thabeet and Spanish guard Ricky Rubio as they continued to explore trade options before Thursday’s NBA draft.
Wolves basketball boss David Kahn is believed to be seeking another high draft pick to go with the team’s current No. 6 position and was lined up next to explore drafting Rubio after he left a Monday workout in Sacramento.
Thabeet, a 7-2 shot blocker, or Rubio, a precocious, flamboyant point guard, would fill one of the team’s two biggest positions of need.
It’s not known if Kahn would speak in person or by phone with either of the players, who conceivably could stop in Minnesota for a media availability Wednesday.
To get Thabeet
If they want Thabeet they would need to move into the top 4, because I can’t see him being available at 5.
They might try and do a deal with Memphis if they are really interested in getting Thabeet.
There is a slight chance that they might be able to get Rubio with the 5th, but I can’t see Sacramento letting him go past 4.
Both of those guys are gone by the 5 and 6, which means they are gonna trade 2-for-1 with #2 or #3...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
wolves have four 1st rounders now they can package the #6 and a later pick for the #2 and take rubio.
i think the thunder and kings take a SG and PG.
i can see the wolves getting BOTH rubio and thabeet and still be able to add a decent SG later in the draft
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jun 23, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
As the mock Wolves GM...
…I can tell you the first thing I tried to do was shore up the team at center.
Their interior defense is beyond suspect. Jefferson is a middling defensive presence at best, and Love just can’t stop any decent NBA PF/C’s. Which is why I went out and got a center who can play a little outside the paint, defend and block shots. Then I drafted another center for the future to boot. Jefferson will be much more productive when he only needs to guard PFs.
I can’t see Rubio slipping past Sacramento. They’d be thrilled to get him. With the Wolves moving Foye, it makes it clear to me Curry is their guy in one of those two spots. They still have some chips though if they want to try and move up the #2 or #3 to get Rubio.
For sale NBA championships
please contact the memphis grizzles if you are intrested.
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
by Kingzilla on Jun 23, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Do they have a Gasol for sale?
oh wait, they do…
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
Minnesota is AMAZING
I dont know if anybody else on here noticed, but Randy Foye was finally shaping up into a pretty good guard, and then the Wolves dump him for another pick in a bad draft and a couple of crappy contracts.
I wonder who they are taking with 5 & 6?
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
I concur. Dumping Foye is a FAIL.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Good insight by Bill Simmons: Milwaukee converted a sixth pick in 2007 (Yi) into three expiring contracts in 2009
Good job
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
One of the best drafts in recent years
Turns into expiring deals for that free agent hot spot, Milwaukee.
I'll never undertand why they wouldn't move Yi to the Warriors
Getting a vet like Jefferson mighta’ been for Skiles sake. And making short term moves for a bad team with a new coach always pans out!
NEW JERSEY. TRADE YI WHILE YOU CAN GET SUMTHIN’ FOR HIM TO GOLDEN STATE.
They did get rid of Bobby Simmons contract.
But the point still stands.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
They should have tried to draft the chair. Then maybe convert it into an awesome chair like the Herman Miller Embody
It has a lot of spine strength, has your back, is mobile, and looks good in your office
you have too ooo toooooooo much time on your hands.
IT’S A CHAIR!!!…. (jelly is delicious)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I think each would qualify as an expiring contract this year
And there’s an outside shot at getting it all off your books for medical retirement.
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd go Millsap (big $ early, declining thereafter)
Probably Gordon too, though not for the money he’s been asking for the last couple summers.
by kobisportsguy on Jun 23, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Salmons at the 2 and Deng at the 3
Then use cap space in 2010 (they’d have a ton then) to sign a big man like Bosh. They’ve got two first round picks also, so drafting a backup point at #26 would fill Cap’n Kirk’s spot.
by kobisportsguy on Jun 23, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
the wolves would be crazy to package 5 and 6 for a single pick. i’d rather have both 5 and 6 than any player on this board if i am them, including griffin.
i agree and love rubio but i don’t think RR would want to play there
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Two things
1) If Minny traded for him, they would have to recruit him like Portland recruited Rudy times two. I am sure Love would do a good job here.
2) Rubio will get tons of playing time in Minny. That should make him happy.
portland and minnesota are two completely different situations.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
But the Wolves have multiple holes. And Rubio isn't likely to prefer freezing in Minny over Spain/Sacramento/OKC/Memphis
At 5 and 6 they can get a new top guard, and maybe with Thabeet a defensive presence
thabeet is gone
I think evans and curry
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Evans and Harden
would be a helluva 1-2 combo if it could work
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 23, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i think harden is already gone by 5
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at the BE Mock — that's a very likely scenario for 1-4, very much in line with NUMEROUS other mocks...
1. Los Angeles Clippers — Blake Griffin from Oklahoma.
2. Memphis Grizzlies — Hasheem Thabeet from Connecticut.
3. Oklahoma City Thunder — James Harden from Arizona State.
4. Sacramento Kings — Ricky Rubio of Spain.
Those will be the first 4 guys going, in some sequence or another…
Minny is looking at Evans and Curry.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I tend to agree with you on this.
A good GM can seriously improve his team with two guys that high up in the draft. It’s pretty much what KP did when he landed LaMarcus and Roy. A draft, as Mort has already pointed out, was considered one of the weakest in several years.
It comes down to the ability to properly evaulate talent.
hakkaa päälle !
If you want to feed your best players
Than get them the one guy with the passing ability to do that. From that perspective, you can look at Rubio as being the #5 pick and the improvement in the other guys around him as being the #6 pick.
Were it that simple.
If Rubio turns out to be on par with Chris Paul, Tony Parker or Deron Williams, then I’d agree with you. But basketball takes 5 guys and Minnesota has more than one hole on the team. They could potentially get two very good guys and still find a good PG at the 18th spot.
I’d want to be absolutely certain that little Ricky was a game changing PG capable of leading my team into the playoffs for sure. If you are not rock solid on that, then keep the picks and add multiple talent to your team.
hakkaa päälle !
or they are worried about making payroll
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Pelton: Definitely a statement trade. We don’t like the young guys we’ve got except Love/Jefferson.
Ben: a statement trade indeed… this is like the big johnson t shirt of statement trades
yeah i know what it is..
big dog is lamer than big johnson tho.. not by much.. but a little
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
big dog might be lamer but big johnson sends the kind of message that this trade sends: LOOK AT ME IM OVERCOMPENSATING
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
does your dad wear big dog?
morty=loser
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
oh wow... I splurted my tobacco pipes water all over on that....
love ya morty, but thats a
BURNNNNN!!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
*****BREAKING NEWS*****
The wolves have just traded Corey Brewer to the Kings for a bag of Kettle Chips!!!……..My sources report that Wolves officials first balked at the sour cream and chive offer but the Kings quickly came back with a spicy thai offer which the Wolves officials quickly accepted and ate right away!!
Collegiate stats:
NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to
NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to
im actively trying to lose weight but i would definitely trade brewer for potato chips.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
RealGM/CBS is saying that we are looking
at picks 8 to 14
That means no Curry, Blair??
Collegiate stats:
NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to
NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to
blair will be there
curry likely will not
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta get to #11
to grab DeJuan
Givony reported earlier that NJ likes Casspi, Omri will be available for them at #24
Will KP make the “little” deal with the Nets (Sergio + 24 for #11) or pull off the big deal of the day?
Rudy + Outlaw + 24 + Sergio + capspace + 2nd round picks for #11 and…Devin Harris
LMAO
udy + Outlaw + 24 + Sergio + capspace + 2nd round picks for #11 and…Devin Harris
really?
The Princess of Blazersedge
I'm just demonstrating the lengths I'd be willing to go
To add Harris and Blair to the Blazer’s roster
Like storyteller said, the deal couldn’t be completed until July 1, Devin is BYC ’til then
So…if NJ picks Blair at #11, I will be officially freaking out
i FEEL ya, and am there on your coat tails... it'll seem too perfect...
does anyone know if they changed the stupid can’t announce trades until when ever rule?…. r we gonna have another fiasco again?
BEN!!! GET IT RIGHT …..
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I totally agree with this... #11 is the winning number for Blair, and it's gonna take a deal with NJ Nets..
……………………. and the Large Israeli Man has boffo NYC box office written all over him… And he PROBABLY is around at 24.
And NJ is actively looking for a Guard in this draft…
So, is some schleb you get at 11 gonna be better than Sergio? Not necessarily. Plus you get the guy that puts hineys in seats… That deal is not far off of right… IF KP covets Blair, that is…
Blair is gone at 13, when Indiana picks. Bank on that.
Gotta get to #11 to grab DeJuan
Givony reported earlier that NJ likes Casspi, Omri will be available for them at #24
Will KP make the "little" deal with the Nets (Sergio + 24 for #11) or pull off the big deal of the day?
Rudy + Outlaw + 24 + Sergio + capspace + 2nd round picks for #11 and…Devin Harris
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
"Everybody" is saying that Portland's interested in Blair
That could just be another KP smokescreen, but what would be the point?
Today during his 2 minute interview, KP said “We know who we like, and we’ve narrowed that down. How it plays out, you have no idea.”
Trade up, or trade out
again tho.. trade up to a top10 pick for a backup?
eeesh
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
seems high for lawson
i am thinking 17 at philly
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I just report the news
Jebus it is like the NBA trade dam just broke and we have this flood of stuff.
I go to workout and come back and Oh Boy!! Oberto is in Det, the 5th is in Minny and the NBA world turns upsideown!!
Collegiate stats:
NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to
NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to
If we're trading top 10,I can't seeing it being for Blair
I’d bet money on that. I’d have to guess we’d be looking at one of Flynn, Holliday, or Jennings at that point, although I’m sure we’d jump on Curry if he’s there. That is, as Norsk said, if we’re picking for ourselves.
at the same time
with Bayless, why take another PG to develop when you have a talented one with a year of NBA experience under his belt already?
Every time KP talks about Bayless you can hear that gleam in his voice about what he could become.
I think you may be right about using it to trade possibly for a starting vet PG? The backup PF easily can come through FA with our cap space.
Collegiate stats:
NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to
NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to
We've debated this before
and I’m not saying I think we should or it’s likely, but really everyone in that range would be a PG. As stated, Blair Johnson, and Hill have no chance of being anything but backups here, Derozan and Williams make even less sense with Roy and Nic, and Clark, while intriguing, fits our “culture” movement less than anyone else in the draft. Regardless of what any of us may think, Bayless has by no means locked down the PG spot like every other position of interest in that range, so it’s less a case of “this move makes perfect sense” and more a case of it making more sense than any other guy we could take there.
Any trade might be contingent upon Curry being around, though, which would make more sense to me, since I think KP is super high on him.
i agree wholeheartedlely with your assessment.
+1 for you buddy
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Clark's constantly had a rep
Of not trying hard and taking plays off. I’ve never heard this about Jennings.
You should go check out a piece on Truehoop from a couple days ago.
It pointed out that this reputation is largely undeserved.
hakkaa päälle !
Fair enough
I really haven’t been tracking Clark that much or reading up on him. I wouldn’t be terribly opposed to him, but he’s in less of a position of need with Nic, Roy, Webster and Trout (although Trout would probably be gone in the trade up) all duplicating his position, unless we wanted to swing him up to PF more which could certainly be possible, but I think if we’re targeting Clark, we’d be looking a lot more in the 11-14 range rather than top 10 per se.
IF
we are picking there I tend to think that I would be to trade for another player, a clear cut upgrade over Blake. I fully expect Bayless to come off the bench this year and have stated so many times.
I think he is the future starting PG but in a year or 2. I am fully in the camp of bringing in an aging vet to help mentor Bayless as that would be the easiest. However if we can get a clear cut upgrade ie. Parker, Paul, Harris etc, but I do not see any of those coming.
Collegiate stats:
NCAA Arizona:
Jerryd Bayless: 19.7pts, 4.0 asts, 3to
NAIA Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Terry Porter: 19.7pts, 4.3 asts, 2.33to
Earl Clark?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 23, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
horrifying?
cause me childhood nightmares?
Re-occur in flashbacks when I watch “Big Momma’s House” w/ Martin Lawrence?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 23, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
is there any reason
to watch big mommas house? Seems like any easy one to avoid.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
so.. what does that mean?
he WONT be a backup.. hate to break it to you but if we draft him he is a backup
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Like Joel's a backup?
Like Rudy’s a backup?
Sure, I’ll take “that” kind of backup out of this draft
If they can get him, Blair will carve out PT for himself in Portland’s rotation.
Like Big Baby is a backup
and Leon Powe is a backup
and Outlaw is a backup
That list is pretty long.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I AM NO ONE'S BACK UP....
you all belong to me now are now mine.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
So have we considered dealing with pistons for their pick.
Its the cheapest way to get the tier 2 PG picks..
maybe
Trout, Blake, Bayless for Tayshaun and #15?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions
I don't have any idea how I feel about Prince right now
I had him in fantasy, and his stats were decent. But I fear he might see a sharp decline.
Plus, who is our PG1 in this situation? A tier 2 rook?
by samuelleejackson on Jun 23, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose so.. it was just a suggestion
not really a thought out pick
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Clark and Williams
just in case anyone had a burning curiosity.
If anything else on your body is burning, please see tominhawaii
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Herderson is OK
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 23, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
list the top 5 targets in order on KP’s board. excluding griffin…
rubio, curry, blair, lawson, flynn
Rubio
I just think if there is some way in the world KP could get Rubio that Sergio has to go. That creates turmoil on the Spanish National Team. Would he really do that? :-)
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
but then again....
the Gasol brothers were traded for each other, so it wouldn’t be the first Spanish player replacing another….
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
If so, pretty poor start for the BDL one
considering all of those guys are long gone.
i took casspi for BDL… 11 PGs were off the board
and we took collison for RU
but we whined about wanting to trade out for both
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Casspi
I think he may be a steal in the draft….
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
It’s nearly impossible to believe that General Manager Kevin Pritchard would use his first round pick at #24 after standing pat and watching the top 11 point guards go off the board… but since these are the rules I’ll opt for a tried-and-true Blazers tactic: draft-and-stashing all-potential internationalprospect Omri Casspi.
Casspi, potentially the first Israeli to play in the NBA, worked out for the Blazers in Portland and drew rave reviews from Pritchard. “He played well, had a good workout, shot the ball better than we expected. He’s a competitive kid, when he’s out there he seems to raise the level of play.”
Casspi passes the smell test: upon first glance, you can tell immediately that he has an NBA body and NBA grace to go with it. He moves like a player and it’s easy to imagine him out running (maybe even leading) a fast break. His slight build necessitates a face-up game, though, and he probably slots in as a 3 in the NBA – a position where the Blazers are currently log-jammed.
At age 20, Casspi has shown the requisite grit and toughness in his group workouts and still has all the time in the world to figure out how to stop shooting jumpers like Shawn Marion. Barring a draft day trade, there’s really not any room for Casspi on the Blazers’ roster but in a thin draft year and with their eyes towards free agency, Portland can afford to wait a year for him.
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Veteran Presence
can we get Michael Jordan as a replacement for Michael Ruffin? ;-)
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Best draft of all time: "1942, right after Pearl Harbor….everyone got drafted" --- 92wastheyear
Doesn't sound like Bowen expects to come back to San Antonio
I never thought that so many good things could happen after 30 years of age. Boy was I wrong! I’ve been able to be part of a great city and community. I’ve been able to take action in helping those less fortunate, partner up with many great companies, start programs aimed at helping our youth, and many other wonderful things. By me and my family being here, all these wonderful things have taken place in our lives, and we truly appreciate it San Antonio. … This is where my family and I reside, there are more pressing things taken place in our world, so please just smile and remember that each and everyone of you played a vital role in the family man that I’ve become.
San Antonio Express via TrueHoop http://voices.mysanantonio.com/brucebowen/
I read it earlier and even a few hours later I don't want to read too much into it.
He could still return unless he has been told otherwise.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
Anyone else hear this?
Chad Ford basically says he thinks Pritchard will go after Rubio simply because he won’t be able to help himself. Simmons blurts out that we have the most overrated roster ever and we wouldn’t have enough to get him.(He’s in love with Rubio) Ford responds by saying we have attractive contracts in Blake and Outlaw plus a very desirable Rudy Fernandez.
Outlaw, Blake, Rudy for the second pick? Can it be done? Should it be done?
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 23, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions
can, yes
should? I vote no based upon what I’ve seen of him. KP and co are in a better position than I, so if we draft Rubio, I will be thrilled that he’s that good, and sad about Bayless.
I just don’t think we are going after rubio. I don’t think we’ll pick a PG that takes the ball out of Roy’s hands that much. Rubio is not a shooter/scorer, he’s an assist machine. I think Bayless is the PG of the future and I don’t think KP trades for Rubio to keep (unless there is another deal in place).
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 23, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The whole joke of getting Rubio would be to team him up with Rudy
I would guess as much as I like Bayless he would be in any deal for Rubio
Agreed
This is one of the few times I’d surrender Jerryd in a deal, otherwise, why rush?
But the first thing the Griz would ask for is Oden or Przybilla. No center, no deal
They sure don’t need Rudy, backing up Mayo
Unless they deal OJ first, and the way the dominoes have started to fall today…who knows?
Again, I keep Bake
You can’t start the season with Rubio and Bayless as your PGs.
I think Nate would sign off on Ricky. He saw RR play in Beijing and Rubio’s got the size and defense that McMillian prefers.
I don’t see why Memphis would desire Blake, other than to renounce him and save $
And the Griz already have OJ Mayo, so why would they want Rudy?
I like my #11 (Blair) + Devin Harris target better, if all of these Blazer players are on the table
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah we talked about it in the JD
I dont think its bad.. but those three are too much..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta love it when the pundits feel free to give away our assets
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I would give away Rudy.
He’s not like some sort of crazy untouchable asset. He’s a talented yet overhyped SG on a team that doesn’t really need one of those. Eventually he’s going to want to get paid and he’s probably going to find a more willing partner elsewhere. Trade him now for someone you can actually play 40 minutes a game in the playoffs.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 23, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
give away is different than trade
talking 3 players for one is “giving away” when one of the three is better than the one
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 24, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Except that one player has the potential to be better than all of them
And that’s kinda the point.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 24, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Spurs deal amended
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/090623_jefferson.html
shows deal as a 3 way Pistons/Bucks/Spurs trade
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
relevant portion
SAN ANTONIO -The San Antonio Spurs today announced that, in a three-team deal, they obtained forward Richard Jefferson from the Milwaukee Bucks. San Antonio sent Bruce Bowen and Kurt Thomas to Milwaukee and Fabricio Oberto to Detroit while the Pistons traded Amir Johnson to the Bucks.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 23, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It could've theoretically worked as two separate, non-simultaneous deals; it's easier this way, though.
By the way, the reason this could’ve worked as two separate, non-simultaneous deals is ‘cause Fabricio Oberto would’ve been the sole outgoing asset in the second trade — since that waives the 90-day waiting period between a player being involved in one transaction to another — but that’s neither here nor there.
Detroit is going to wave Oberto
due to his non-guaranteed contract (it’s the only reason they made the trade). Therefore, restrictions on trading after the trade are irrelevant
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't this also work in a situation if we picked up Tyrus Thomas?
Trade him to another team as a sole outgoing asset?
Do these trades today mean both Sessions and Hinrich are out of reach?
Sessions is almost surely going to be re-signed by the Bucks.
Detroit is clearing cap space and rumored to be after Ben Gordon. If he signs with the Pistons then Hinrich won’t be traded.
Looks like 1)follow Ben’s advice and move up for the rookie pg of KP’s choice
2)sign an aging pg…Kidd, Miller, Bibby
3)Stick with the status quo
4) pray for some miracle Rondo, Harris, Conley deal
What other options are out there? Which option do you like best?
The dancers are slowing down, a mad scramble ensues, the seats are filling up
Will KP get left standing in this game of musical chairs?
Here’s hoping the pressure of closing doors will drive him to push his chips out on the table
And go “all in” for Devin Harris and the 11th pick!
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember
Chicago saying Hinrich was gone regardless of what happened with Gordon. Am I crazy or can someone corroborate that?
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I remember that.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 23, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was reported not too long ago.
It was “sources say” type of stuff, not a direct quote from the org, but from a guy who’s reliable. Supposedly Kirk very quietly let management know he’d prefer to be traded someplace he can start and they were going to try to accommodate him.
But there are also people who doubt that is true – or maybe more accurately think it might have been true when reported but that the org won’t actually go through with it if Ben doesn’t resign. That would be killer for next season to have neither, depending of course on what came back in a trade for Kirk.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
If we trade Blake
can he be waived by the new team and come back as free agent?
so nice to see y'all discussing basketball news again
""..Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own . . . "
by LetsBlaze on Jun 23, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If Memphis offered
- pick + Marko Jaric for Outlaw and Joel would you do the deal?
Cap numbers - pick: $3,715,700
Jaric: $6,575,000 This year, $7,100,000 in 2009/2010, and $7,625,000 in 2010/2011.
totalling : $6,575,000 this year incoming salaries for trade purposes
Outlaw: $4,000,000
Joel: $6,310,150 this year, $6,857,725 next, and $7,405,300 in 2010-2011.
Totalling: $10,310,150 outgoing salaries for trade purposes.
This would work because memphis is way under the cap. Replacing Joel would be a huge hole to fill, and Outlaw would be missed as well, but I think Rudy could make up what we lose from Travis. No one on the roster can make up for Joel accept for Greg, and he is just a big ? right now.
So would you do it?
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joel hole too large..greg stll developing..no3rd 5 or even strong 2nd 4... no
""..Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own . . . "
and Joel will likely kick major butt this year
unless we had a strong target trade for that #2…plenty of young talent and their associated ? already
""..Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own . . . "
how does it affect our capspace to sign another big man
KP would have to find another big man in a trade.. but for the most part.. no..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 23, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, we'd have two major roster peculiarities in that case
First team with more than half an active roster of internationals if Sergio stays (although Jaric would be realistically never active), and the first team to start no one lower than a 6th overall pick ( I think). The 83/84 Lakers came close with Kareem (1st), Magic (1st), Worthy (1st), Scott (4th) and Wilkes (11th) but I don’t think anyone’s done better than that. It is pretty disgusting to look back and see three #1 overall picks on that team, though.
I would do that deal
and you are right, go after Gortat or maybe a lop sided trade for Kaman or Camby. The Clippers are trying to unload one of their centers.
I'd do it in a second.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 23, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't think lima would be worth that much.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
yes!
Joel is a great defensive center who we all love because he plays really hard. But we can find someone who can do 80% of what he does, even if it’s more of a PF to backup both the 4/5 spots like McDyess or Bass or David Lee or someone like that.
We cannot, however, find someone who does what Rubio does; unless you think CP3 is available. Put it this way .. would you trade Joel & Outlaw for CP3? Because Rubio is as close to CP3 as you are going to find.
Here's another idea
After today’s trade the Spurs are thin at center and deep at SF. So…what if RC Buford called KP and offered Ginobli for Przybilla?
Would you do it?
It would open up PT to go hard after UFA Brandon Bass
(man, I’d sure hate to lose Joel, but Manu Manu man!)
i think they would want more than przy but what if u sweetened that package up and then went after lee
by Ben Golliver on Jun 23, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
massive roster upheaval
I don’t think the “let the cake bake” crowd really wants to contemplate the carnage
Manu and Brandon and Rudy, oh my!
Too many wings, not enough PT and shots to go around
The game is won in the paint. Forget Ginobili....
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
but then, so does Brandon.
That’s the real point. Ginobli is redundant.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
manu and rudy on the same team?
the opponents can kiss their stamina goodbye.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jun 23, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Joel is not going anywhere.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
with a caveat
that being Milicic comes back instead of Jaric (more useful piece; less of a contract obligation).
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 23, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
that's what I thought... if joel goes out we need at least a figure that's called a center comming back.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Can you say "imbalanced roster with more trades coming" for the Wizards? Those are all primarily shooting guards
Mike Miller
Randy Foye
DeShawn Stevenson
Nick Young
Dominic McGuire
Mike James
Javaris Crittenton
and that got that one guy who was supose to drop 50 on portland... ended game with 8?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
The Washington Wizards aren't trading Caron Butler.
The San Antonio Spurs aren’t trading Manu Ginobili.
The New Orleans Hornets aren’t trading Chris Paul.
I’d bet you, too, but I don’t have anything of value to gamble.
how about the Nets?
You would’ve said “I’ll bet you they’re not trading Devin Harris” a week or so ago
(gotta keep pounding on that rock)
Let's sort out that depth chart.
SF: Caron Butler
SF: Mike Miller
SF: Dominic McGuire
SG: Randy Foye
SG: Nick Young
SG: DeShawn Stevenson
PG: Gilbert Arenas
PG: Javaris Crittenton
PG: Mike James
On the whole, it looks fine to me.
The frontcourt isn’t too shabby, either.
C: Brendan Haywood
C: JaVale McGee
PF: Antawn Jamison
PF: Andray Blatche
I, however, could see the Washington Wizards targeting a power forward (e.g., Jeff Pendergraph) with its second-round draft pick.
im thinkin..
Brandon Bass for a back up PF, if we dont do anything blockbuster.
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
It's hard to outspend a billionaire.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
i think paul allen has a shot.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on Jun 23, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brandon Bass will re-sign with the Dallas Mavericks to a five-year contract.
Because the Mavericks have Early Bird rights on Bass, GM Donnie Nelson can offer him a starting salary worth the mid-level exception with annual raises of 10.5% — instead of the annual raises of 8% that other teams can offer him — which’ll seal the deal.
Again, I all but guarantee y’all that Bass will re-sign with the Mavericks this July.
You and me both.
It’s one thing to pop wood when you have the top pick in the draft. But all this energy over who Portland “needs” to get and fantasizing about Rubio, Blair, Devin Harris, Conley, etc strikes me as a bunch of kids all excited because Mom has brought out the scissors – they know she’s going to cut holes in their pockets so they have something to play with.
hakkaa päälle !
Yup
Chad Ford (Must be taken with a grain of salt.) said the 8th pick in this draft is like the 18th pick in most drafts. It’s like someone told us that we’re all getting dates with a sorority. It turns out the sorority is Omega Mu yet everyone is acting like it is Pi-Delta-Pi.
Don't spoil the "Chrismas" season for the rest of us
you guys are like Scrooge and the Grinch
bah
humbug
“I must stop this trade talk from coming…but how?”
Not trying to stop it.
Just registering our opinion about a lot of it.
PS – guess who’s now getting a lump of coal for Christmas? And it ain’t going in your stocking, if you get my drift. Grinch didn’t earn the name “Mean One” by accident.
hakkaa päälle !
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