JEFFERSON TO SPURS!!!!!!
by Blazerhopeful on Jun 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
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Breaking News via Sportscenter
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291
Spurs Receive:
Bucks Receive:
All 3 are expiring contracts for the Bucks (15 million). This immediately saves 3 million in cap flexibility.
For the Spurs this gives them another part of the Big 3, and a Starting SF. As if the Spurs aren't already perennial contenders they will be sure pick this year.
For the Bucks this gives them 3 strong role players and sets them up for the summer of 2010
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Dang it
alright I owe 52therim an apology: You’re right, I was wrong, and I apologize.
But I’m still not making that trade.
Currently the GM of the MILWAUKEE BUCKS!
by TheOdenator on Jun 23, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No apology needed...
I guess I was right that they were shopping R Jeff, but this is a better deal for the Bucks than I was offering because you get to keep your pick. This is also a better deal for the Spurs than my deal was for the Cavs as they don’t have to eat Gadz’ ugly contract, plus RJ fits the Spur’s needs somewhat better than it fits the Cavs needs.
This move is bad news for Blazers fans hoping to get Ramon Sessions. I would be surprised if the Bucks don’t match any reasonable offer. If they pick a pg with their draft pick I can still see them letting Sessions go if somebody overpays, but it seems unlikely.
Another interesting side note of this trade is that there were some rumors that the Spurs might try to get VC from the Nets. This move puts that rumor to rest. It may mean that the Nets aren’t going to move VC or it may mean that the Spurs preferred RJ over VC. I’m curious if both of those guys were available who you would want? I think I would take VC if he was available.
by 52therim on Jun 23, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guss Milwaukee should have taken Outlaw and RLEC.
That trade would have been one-thousand times better for them… financially and on the court.
by kobisportsguy on Jun 23, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the rumor is that Portland decided against it.
by pualo on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
That would have made me sad.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want to be even more sad?
According to J. Quick the Blazers turned down a deal with Dallas 2 years ago.
D. Harris for Outlaw straight up.
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by usmcr3049 on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say
2 years ago Harris was considered a roleplayer who was pretty good. He played 26 mins per game, and avg 10pts, 3.7assist, and 2.5 rebs while shooting 49%. That same year Outlaw played 23mis per game, and avg 9.6pts, .8assists and 3.3 rebounds while shooting 43%.
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by usmcr3049 on Jun 23, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was back in the age when we were still tired of seeing our players traded away just to have a breakout season with a new team
Plus people were absolutely in love with Sergio
It sucks, but I can see why we turned it down
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jun 23, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure anyone knows for sure - other than KP and the inner circle of both teams
I remember at the time there were rumors that we were trying to get involved in that NJ-Dallas trade and that our target was Harris, with Outlaw being the primary outgoing piece.
What we don’t know is whether this was actually on the table, if there were other pieces involved, whether we backed away or whether we wer told no. There has never been an actual confirmation from a reliable source that was Outlaw for Harris straight up. We may have made that offer and been denied. The offer may been made to us and included other players (and/or picks), and we thought the price was too high. There may have been no concrete offer at all from any side – just discussions that couldn’t reach any spot that was agreeable to all parties and/or worked under the CBA.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
our target was Harris, with Outlaw being the primary outgoing piece
Outlaw, Frye and Jack
OUCHIE
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really doubt it
Whether it was before or after Harris got injured, everyone knew he was going to be good.
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Jun 23, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Cuban was on with Dan Patrick at noon
He said the team psychologist interviewed Devin before Dallas drafted him and reported that Harris had exceptional mental toughness
If there is ANY WAY to get this guy, KP!
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that rumor.
I was really upset when it didn’t happen. For some reason everyone seemed convinced it was a bad idea.
…Travis Outlaw, lately, has been something of a marvel. He has been almost perfect at both ends of the floor in crunch time. He has a reasonable contract. He is young. His vastly improved shot shows he works. And he plays one of the few positions on the floor that lets him contribute alongside Portland’s keepers Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Greg Oden. If you give up a player like that, at this early stage of his career, you’d think it would be for something really special. Devin Harris is a nice player, don’t get me wrong. But he doesn’t knock my socks off like that."-truehoop
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 23, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha that's good stuff
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really was wanting that deal to get us Devin Harris at the time
Sad when it didn’t happen
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 24, 2009 4:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A great trade for both teams
The Bucks have the money to re-sign Sessions (plus, Bowen’s contract is non-guaranteed) and the Spurs have a NASTY PG-SG-SF rotation.
Now all they need is Sheed to man the other big man spot…
by dprodigy19 on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
according to Storyteller's site
Oberto is not fully guaranteed either, so Milwauikie could cut both Bowen and Oberto and save a ton of cash this year plus the 15 million they are saving next year. Great financial move for them – might allow them to keep both Charlie and Sessions.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 23, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, one or the other possibly
But not both. This move puts them about $6 or $7 million below the anticipated tax threshold. Signing either one puts them right back up aginst the threshold. Signing both puts them way over.
I said this in the other thread, but unless they can find another move to save them $$$, I can easily see them take a PG at #10 who they hope can backup Ridnour for a year, then move into the starting lineup when Luke becomes a FA. Maybe try to play both Bogut and Gadzuric in the starting lineup. In other words, take the cheap route.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think John Hammond might have another trick up his sleeve.
But danged if I know what it might be.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
My Greek is rusty, but I’m trying to translate your signature:
Without fear, you cannot believe (or have faith)
Am I even close?
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, a second
It’s
Do not fear, but believe
or something like that.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just about spot on there:
“Do not fear, only believe.”
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A straight-up swap of Dan Gadzuric to the Dallas Mavericks for Matt Carroll would give ...
the organization some short-term savings, as well as provide the Mavericks with some depth at center at no cost from a personnel standpoint.
by AK1984 on Jun 23, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch. The Spurs got a new lease on life.
Looks like they’re prepared to make changes to stay viable.
by Timmay! on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
If your depth chart is Michael Finley (badly aging), Bruce Bowen (badly aging), Ime Udoka (free agent, aging), Marcus Williams you do that move :)
Next year they bring Tiago Splitter over, the best C/PF in Europe to spell Duncan or even form twin towers with him. I said before the demise of the Spurs and Mavs is overstated, they can still contend and/or rebuild fairly quickly.
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His contract runs through next season.
Earliest he can come over is the 2011/2012 season. A quick search for Tiago Splitter returned a Spurs message board complaining about a wasted pick. His wikipedia page says he makes eight times the rookie scale, as well. Certainly not conclusive, but I’d be surprised to see him playing for the Spurs.
by wepto on Jun 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His club is broke. And he has buyouts. He might even come over THIS year, but I doubt it.
Plus after three years they can sign him to a deal higher than the rookie scale. It’s a little loophole.
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good move for SA
I guess you can turn nothing into something…so long as the nothing are expiring deals.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 23, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This trade couldn't have gotten any worse for us
The Spurs put themselves back in the elite company and Sessions becomes unattainable. KP… it’s your turn….
by as11osu on Jun 23, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the Spurs
I´d love to beat them in the playoffs ( with them playing well)
by Falcao on Jun 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
The Spurs got better on offense but much worse on defense and much smaller inside. Who is going to guard Roy now? Udoka?
"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
by koyote on Jun 23, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Bowen gets picked back up by the Spurs in July
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by Samsara on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing that Milwaukee fans are going to be okay with it.
Jefferson made a lot of money, and didn’t perform particularly well last season for them. Enough financial relief to re-sign the players who did do well is probably a smart move on their part.
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by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, why is Sessions now unattainable?
If they want to offer him the $6 million he wants, they would still have to go over the luxury tax right?
But it’s just exciting that it’s starting now. The frenzy I mean.
by AndrewD on Jun 23, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The players Milwaukee traded for are not guaranteed their contracts.
They simply let them go to get far enough under the tax line to sign their guys.
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by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
quick math
assuming they cut both Bowen and Oberto, I’m showing Milwauikie at 62.6 million for 09-10, which counts 0 for both Charlie and Sessions. Seems likely they could keep one of them and still be below the tax threshold, though both would take them over.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 23, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the really ominous part of that trade... Bowen is not guaranteed for next year and can be cut and return to the Spurs...
Spurs with Bowen > Spurs with Jefferson
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 23, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bucks make the best out of a bad situation.
If the choice was let Sessions go for nothing or Jefferson go for nothing, it was a no-brainer. Jefferson is not equipped to be the number one option on a team, and does better as the third. Milwaukee was stuck with Redd and Bogut’s injuries making Jefferson their #1 option. But in that time, Sessions and Villanueva emerged as decent players, deemed worth keeping, while Jefferson showed himself to be expendable. Smart move by John Hammond.
The Spurs also come out of this well. Bowen will probably be a Spur again before the season starts. Jefferson doesn’t have to be the #1 option, but isn’t just a space filler either. Can hit threes, likes to defer to others, will fit in San Antonio’s system well.
Overall, a downgrade in talent for Milwaukee, but without this, it would have been much worse for them. Brilliant move for both teams.
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by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I don't think Jefferson would have been a good fit in Portland.
He’s basically Outlaw with a big paycheck. A few pluses here, a few minuses there, but not a lot different in the big picture.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with both your posts on all points.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And not just because you're a mod!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not JUST because?
Does that mean that me being a mod influenced you somewhat?
:p
I tease, I tease.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
It never hurts :-) You and Dave seem to be the two I share the most views with. Ben and I on the other hand almost never agree!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed that you agree with EVERYTHING I say.
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 23, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Owned!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very well, you have earned the right to disagree on occasion.
Use this privilege wisely.
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have noticed that we agree often.
(Or I assume you agree with my stuff if I agree with yours.) Must mean you are a very smart and wise man.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, you could say the same thing about Charlie Villanueva.
Whom they are keeping. But hopefully at a substantially lower price tag than Jefferson.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hats off to Timbo...
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good move for SA
There age is still an issue if they can stay healthy they can cause problems.They still need help for Duncan though.If they can add a quality big without giving up to much then they will be dangerous.
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
Parker
Manu
Jefferson
Bonner
Duncan
with Roger Mason
is a very good lineup. I think Jefferson will do very well next to 3 guys who can get their own shot anytime they want. He’ll be able to take advantage of all the chaos caused by the Big 3.
Who do you leave open out of those guys? Yikes.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i like you you formated the list like a sitcom
and with Roger Mason Jr., as “Icy McClutch”
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
by appel82 on Jun 23, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad there isn't an edit function
I would add the Icy McClutch part, that was pretty funny
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next year you can add Tiago Splitter instead of Bonner and switches around with Duncan
Maybe they also bring in a vet Euro shooting guard like Siskauskas. And most of all Bowen likely returns to the Spurs once the Bucks release him. KP’s master Buford is good :)
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the Spurs are one of those squads that veterans will go to for a chance at a ring
McDyess, Joe Smith, etc, etc
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on who can stay healthy
If they can start a lineup with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and Jefferson, they are going to be very, very tough.
If on the other hand one or more of those guys is constantly injured, I think you’ll see a very similar Spurs team to last season.
This was the gamble KP made though. From all reports it sounds like we could’ve had Jefferson for a similar sweetheart deal, but chose to roll with the cap space this summer. If we can turn it into Kirk or Turk I’ll be happy as I would rather have either of those guys than RJ. If we turn it into a backup PF and not much else I will be supremely annoyed.
by AndrewD on Jun 23, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but
you could say that about any team. It’s a bad idea to go down the injury road in the off season. The Celtics could get back to the finals, but Garnett might get injured again. The Heat could make the conference finals, unless Wade gets injured again. The list goes on.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you can say that about any team
But Duncan has been dealing with knee issues of late and Ginobili missed a huge chunk of last season. It’s not like these guys getting injured would be unprecedented.
by AndrewD on Jun 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just smarter to assume they'll be healthy
I don’t think you would predict the Blazers’ season with Oden out from the start, Roy with a few nagging injuries, Martell with his bad foot, Joel with an injury that keeps him from playing a full season and Blake with that shoulder issue, none of which would be unprecendented.
To me, it’s like saying “That team will be good unless they’re bad.”
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
But not just generic health, but age-related health concerns. There’s a decent chance that neither Manu nor Duncan will be the players they once were.
That being said, a team with just Tony Parker at point guard, Richard Jefferson at SF andGreg Popovich coaching would be a competitive team. I’m sure they’ll be a playoff team; \the Spurs ceiling is the question in my mind.
by PoliSam on Jun 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sign Bruce Bowen when he gets released
by Sonic Boom on Jun 23, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he could mentor Batum
in kicking, slapping, grabbing, tripping, sticking-your-foot-under-a-leaping-player-so-that-they-land-badly and all-around Kung Fu.
Bowen is a disease.
by ninjasocks on Jun 23, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why we want him on OUR team.
So he does that to everyone else instead of us.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe as a mentor to Batum, etc
Bruce’s best days are behind him, I wouldn’t want him playing many regular season minutes. Great guy to have around for the playoffs
If you can bring in a “wily” vet into show the nice, young men on Portland’s roster how to get an edge? Why not accelerate their “learning curve”?
(Jeff Foster is another name that comes to mind, and he plays backup PF/C where the roster has a gaping hole)
Toughness and physicality
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they gave up all their front line depth to do this though, we'll see if Duncan can stay healthy
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the dealin's not done
or his name ain’t RC Buford
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I forget the Bucks are in the NBA
The Clippers and Knicks get pub for being so bad, but the Bucks are just irrelevant.
They are on my cut list if the NBA contracts.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather cut a more recent expansion team
Bobcats!
and probably the Grizzles
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too...
I was just thinking about going to a Bucks fans’ blog to see what theyre saying. But then I remembered: their are no Bucks fans.
by SugarMoses on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cut the Bobcats and Grizzlies some slack
They are the most recent expansions. The Bucks, on the other hand, have been irrelevant for 20 years.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the Bucks have some history and have made the playoffs
the Bobcats have nothing going for them and the Grizzles were silly enough to trade away Pau Gasol for a bag of chips.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets cut all 3 and we both win. =)
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
deal
but I think 27 is a bad number of teams. 26 would be kind of awkward too. I think we need to go down to 24.
Get rid of Sacramento because they might move anyway.
Get rid of OKC because they don’t deserve a team after what they did.
Get rid of the Clippers because they are the Clippers.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a short memory
What about the Allen, Cassell and Thomas days. They reached the ECF in 2001
They have been irrelevant about as long as the Blazers have so cut them some slack.
Also, they could be a pretty good team if they have any luck on the injury front.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 23, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
That was one good season in a weak eastern conference. Remember, even the Clippers had that one good season with Cassell and Dunleavy. The Bucks fell back to mediocrity the next year. I understand the Bucks have history, but they have been bad-mediocre for 20 years. Its just that nobody realizes how many bad decisions they have made due to their absolute irrelevancy.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't forget about Big Dog
Allen, Cassell and Glenn Robinson
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
by Juiceman76 on Jun 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Spurs need big men ASAP
They just lost their depth
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
by DaniBCN on Jun 23, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Channing Frye will probably be a free agent.
And will probably fit pretty well in the Silver and Black.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooooooohhhhh
What could we get for Frye in a sign and trade? 1st rounder? George Hill?
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jun 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont they have that player
in Bonner. He could still sign there, but I think they have high hopes for a certain R Wallace in SA
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 23, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace and Duncan
ACC big man reunion, 15 years later?
I have a friend who’s a Wake Forest alum, he’d be vexed by the irony
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there defense will never be the same
They also lost the #1 flopper in the league in Oberto
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 23, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scola would beg to differ!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And has surpassed him!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 24, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Great Great trade for San Antonio
Jefferson will pick his game up now that he is on a contending team again.
I hope we still have San Antonio’s number. They should be a top 3 team again in the West next year.
by tweener on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Spurs
I like the move.
Jefferson is a good scorer, all around baller.
Now, just do it for Tim Duncan.
Yell out, “FABBBBBBBBRIIIIICIOOOO!!!” It feels so good!
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"I can Shavlick my own balls."
by Terry Gamble on Jun 23, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice move for the Spurs, but the most important thing for them is a healthy Manu
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by Zaron5551 on Jun 23, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it...
is this really a great trade for San Antonio? At the end of the season/in the playoffs, it really looked like their biggest problem was defense. They have scorers – 3 guys who are all capable of 40+ any given night. Now they add another scorer, who is a lackadaisical defender? I’m not convinced this is going to make them that much better.
by LicketyBrindle on Jun 23, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jefferson is a pretty good defender when motivated
and to get a nice fit at the 3 for spare parts/expiring contracts and the corpse of Bruce Bowen is a good deal.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing for Skiles didn't motivate him to be a good defender.
And Skiles is a defensive minded coach (or at least has the reputation of being so). Jefferson hasn’t been a good defender all year, even when fighting for a playoff spot. Maybe it’s mindset. Maybe he’s lost a step. But his defense was starting to look like Outlaw’s: passable man-to-man, unless his man didn’t have the ball.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could have been age
but he was solid when he was in NJ
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
could be the system?
The Bucks used to have great team defense (way back in the day) but maybe R-Jeff’s teammates weren’t always where they were “supposed” to be?
(I’m still looking your way, Outlaw…)
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not as worried about SA's defense.
A bigger problem seemed to be that there were very few reliable scorers on the team. Jefferson isn’t the perfect solution, but does take a little pressure off of Parker and Duncan.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
I think this is a last ditch effort to make a run with Duncan. Jefferson isn’t as good as his reputation. Jason Kidd made him look much better just he did with Kenyon Martin and Mikki Moore.
Jefferson likes to score and look for his own shot. Not a defense first type of guy. I think the ship already sailed. As much as I hate to say it, Duncan is not THAT player anymore.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may have lost half a step on defense.
Overall through, healthy Tim Duncan is still Tim Duncan.
If him, Manu and Parker all stay healthy I think they’ve got one last shot this year. RJ helps, especially if they get Bowen back.
by Bskey on Jun 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first impression, as well
RC and the Suns are getting desperate. This reminds me of when the Celtics acquired Charlie Scott back in ‘75. When you reach outside of your system to bring in a player who is a stretch to match your team’s philosophy? It signals “the end” is near
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/scottch01.html
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RC and the Suns
should’ve read Spurs, Scott came from the Suns
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who won the 1975-1976 NBA Championship?
I’m sure Tim Duncan, Richard Jefferson, Manu Ginobili, and Tony Parker would love to repeat what Dave Cowens, Charlie Scott, John Havlicek, and Jo Jo White did that season.
by AK1984 on Jun 24, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oberto at back-up PF for Portland?
The guy isn’t exactly a “banger”, but he’s smart and plays hard. He can also play some Center, and we’ll need a third option there.
Currently playing the role of the Atlanta Hawks GM in the Blazersedge.com 2009 NBA Mock Draft.
by hoopla-pdx on Jun 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am no cap expert
but it seems like the Spurs and Blazers could have worked together so that a 3rd team could get cap relief, as the Bucks did, while Outlaw could have gone to the Spurs, younger, cheaper, and similar to Jefferson, while the Blazers could have gotten a pg that they desire.
Instead the Spurs just put a big monkey wrench in their plans to land a solid FA in 2010 with Jefferson’s bloated contract.
Maybe I am just peeing up a rope here, but the Jefferson deal seems like a short sighted move for the normally long sighted Spurs.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 23, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think if they would have waited until 2010...
then 2009 would have been a lost season. Duncan might not make it to 2010. Might as well give it one last gasp. Rebuilding is often a multi-year process anyways. Delaying it a little for one last chance was likely deemed worth the risk.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but why is the scenario I listed above not something they considered with the known availability of Outlaw?
Even Hollinger thinks Outlaw=Jefferson
It seems the thing the Blazers are lacking to make deals work right now is not having a lot of salary cap relief to offer. In the scenario I listed they retain their cap flexibility in 2010 and get a similar piece to the one they just got.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 23, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean Sessions is going to be re-upped for sure now?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 23, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
him or Villanueva
probably not both.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 23, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in other words - pay attention to who the Bucks draft
if it’s a PG, they are likely going to let Sessions walk
if it’s a big, then they will pay Sessions and let Charlie V go
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could resign Sessions even if they draft a pg
Ridnour’s deal is done next year and Sessions would be an asset on an affordable deal that they could trade when the Rookie shows he’s ready to take over.
Sessions could still be available in a S&T… would they consider Outlaw and filler???
by 52therim on Jun 23, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Richard Jefferson come with a super-secret anti-aging salve?
If so and he applies said salve to Tim Duncan, then maybe the Spurs will be elite again. Til then they just got a little better…and older. .
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 23, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not by the trade I mean, I just mean collectively they'll be a season older when the playoffs come around
fyi
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 23, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurs are looking at a 1-2 year window
To try and get a 5th title with Duncan. I doubt it happens, but this gives them a better shot than they had before this trade.
The Duncan Spurs already have an awesome dynasty going, a 5th title would be a nail in the coffin. Unlike most of the recent superteams, the Spurs spread their titles out and stayed dominant for a full decade. Winning 3 titles in a row is one thing, but winning 5 over an 11 year period without ever winning 2 in a row is just amazing.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Don,t forget POP said when Duncan retires he will also. Look for the Spurts to add a vet big like Mcdyess or Sheed before next year starts.
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 23, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What now at pg??
Trade for Hinrich… possible
Trade for Conley… long-shot
S&T for Sessions… long-shot
Status quo… most likely! Maybe add a rookie to the mix.
What other options are realistically out there?
by 52therim on Jun 23, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There are other free agents...
Jason Kidd
Andre Miller
Mike Bibby
I would stick with Blake/Bayless unless Miller could be had on a short deal for reasonable $$
by 52therim on Jun 23, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lopsided trade
for Devin Harris…quasi-realistic
but I’m not giving up on the dream
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction time
Without knowing if the Spurs will re-sign Bowen if/when he gets cut and without knowing the rest of their roster….
How many wins will the Spurs get next season now that they’ve added Richard Jefferson?
Are they contenders for the WCF?
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My crystal ball says 60 wins for the Spurs
by PoliSam on Jun 23, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My platinum ball says 59
Crystal is so 1900s
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don,t think that many wins they are going to limit Duncans minutes to keep him healthy for the playoffs.
I don’t think reg. seasonj record is as important to SA as being healthy for the postseason. The Spurs know how to win on the road they just cant afford ANY injuries.
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 23, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the scary part
Duncan playing 30-32 mins a game + the rest of that cast can win 59 games.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what they said about PHX this year!
If they can get Sheed or Mcdyess yes but Bonner??? NO
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best news about this deal:
It was announced before the draft, so Portland can plan accordingly that Sessions is gone and SAS upgraded.
by Timmay! on Jun 23, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is true
And Portland fully understands now that we need to improve. This trade might move us from number 2 in West to number 3. (Depending on how well RJ meshes.) We need something to bump us back up to the 2 spot!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Allen's competitive juices
were just kicked up another notch
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of weeks ago
I was banging pretty loudly on the drum of ‘Outlaw and Blake do not have team options for 2009-10, but their contracts are not guaranteed’. Some asked me what the difference was. Today’s trade shows the power of the difference.
San Antonio got Richard Jefferson for being willing to trade two partially-guaranteed players and a role player. Milwaukee now saves over $6 million in salary next summer and possibly more in luxury tax.
Now think about this – Portland could potentially trade Outlaw and Blake before June 30th for $10.3 million in salary. And they could also take back another $3 million using the trade exception. The other team could drop over $13 million in 2009-10 salary.
So, if $6.5 million in savings was worth Richard Jefferson, what is twice that much in savings worth to a team looking to drop some team salary?
The economic conditions of the league have made for a different playing field for trades – and for teams like the Blazers who are willing to buy while others are selling, this could be an incredible off-season.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW, here's how Hollinger puts it:
And the other teams in the West have to be shaking their heads, because at first it seems unfathomable that the Spurs could get a 20-point scorer for three spare parts. But follow the money, and it all makes sense.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=spurstrade-090623
Portland is in a position to possibly make the other teams shake their heads twice as hard.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
The second paragraph should read “next season” and not “next summer”
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They save ca. $15 million over the course of Jefferson's remaining contract
Trade chips like Stackhouse (instantly save $5 million, can wait until August to waive him) and our guys could really become valuable.
On the other hand: Who do you target with 10 million in salary that a team wants to shed? VC? Shaq?
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is, was, and always will be Kirk Hinrich.
Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and #24 should = Hinrich.
by AK1984 on Jun 23, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...no
Hinrich is not worth those pieces.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Hinrich is an offensively efficient scorer who's the best defensive point guard in the ...
NBA today, so he’s unquestionably worth a defensive sieve at point guard (i.e., Steve Blake), a high-volume shooting chucker with the basketball IQ of a gnat (i.e., Travis Outlaw), et cetera.
by AK1984 on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just gonna leave this alone
Seeing as I don’t want to devolve this thread.
I’ll just say that Outlaw and Blake played important roles on this team that won 54 games. I think they should be acknowledged for their contributions. Hinrich cannot replace both of them. In my opinion, neither can just Webster or Batum.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you really say you were going to leave this alone...
and then do the opposite?
-Blake played an important role on this team, we were worse with him out. However, Hinrich will play an even bigger role.
-Outlaw played a good role at the 3/4 spots. However, we are likely going to draft a TRUE 4, and Roy/Batum are going to take most of the minutes at the 3. Meaning Outlaw is expendable.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Writing a couple of sentences is the equivalent of me leaving it alone
I could have written a large paragraph.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Jun 23, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A single, abbreviated word.
Now that’s how you leave something alone. Nice work.
by pualo on Jun 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AK, how could I not love you?
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
by The Pirate on Jun 23, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might even love you back.
If your name was Hinrich.
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 23, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or mike miller
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 23, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minus the blonde hair
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
by The Pirate on Jun 23, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do Blake + 24 + Chicago 2010 second round pick back
Saves Chicago more money
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that only works after the Moratorium
I’m talking about trades this week, while Outlaw and Blake can still be cut by the other team for complete cap savings.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chicago is looking to shed they don't want Blake and Outlaw
They can just trade for one of them since we have the cap space.
Nork’s idea works for me… although I’d try and swing 2nd round picks. Saves even more money and I’d still want 24 + 2nd rounder + Sergio to move up a bit and go for Blair or Collison if Blair is gone.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw, then
Like I’ve said before, I want to keep Blake (and I suspect the Blazers do, too)
So
Outlaw + 2 second round picks + capspace for Hinrich
Sergio + #24 to NJ for #11 and draft Blair
Then let the party begin
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be all for that
Although I doubt being third PG is a good future for Bayless either. He’d likely have to be traded and we can use a second rounder to grab a third PG.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends how long Blake's around
I like the Hinrich-Blake combo at PG. I also like the idea of a 3rd PG who’s familiar with Portland’s system to provide emergency/injury insurance
Sure, lack of playing time would negatively affect Jerryd’s development, but he has to be able to beat Blake out at some point if he’s ever going to be a long-term member of the Blazers. There should be no rush to deal Bayless, he’s on a rookie contract and could be kept around just as long as Sergio was (maximize his trade value, if possible) If Bayless takes advatnge of the opportunities that will present themselves (in summer league, training camp, pre-season and during the season when injuries to Kirk/Steve may occur) then at this time next year Blake may be considered “expendable”. But right now, I’d add Hinrich and only subtract Sergio
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
consider this!
Can we really go through another season of Bayless racking of DNPs and everytime we lose having 250,000 Portland fans saying, “If Bayless had played we’d have won.”
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't know about "we"
but I don’t think KP or Nate would lose any sleep over it
Hinrich + Blake should speak for itself. Bayless and his agent wouldn’t like it, but they do have a contract to honor and it’s “on” Jerryd to break into the rotation. Competition is a good thing
This isn’t your 2004-2008 Blazers, anymore. The front office shouldn’t be in the rebuild and develop mindset
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chicago is looking to shed
then a deal for Outlaw and Blake on Draft Day is perfect, since they can cut both and get instant savings for 2009-10.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they would take both and then cut only one. This way salaries match and they keep one.
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, their choice
But if what they really want is the maximum amount of savings from trading Hinrich in order to clear money to re-sign Gordon, I can’t think of a way to do it better than to trade for both and cut both.
It depends on what they truly want. I don’t pretend to know that. I just know that such a deal gives them options that they don’t have right now financially.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone said they will only be over by about 4 million
Meaning they could keep 1 and cut 1.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems to me
After seeing what San Antonio can get for 3 near-stiffs, that dealing Blake + Outlaw on draft day should be able to net a better return than Hinrich. We’re talking $10 million in instant savings for some team looking to shed salary.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 23, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you target?
You target teams that are either above the threshold, teams that are notorious for wanting to save money or teams that have a player that they just wish they could cut and get out from under their deal.
I’ll throw out a couple of other ideas:
Outlaw, Blake and #24 to Washington for Jamison and #5
Outlaw, Blake, Webster and #24 to Phoenix for Stoudemire
Outlaw, Blake and #24 to Minnesota for Miller and #6
Outlaw, Blake, Webster and Rodriguez to Milwaukee for Redd and #10
Outlaw, Blake and #24 to Memphis for Jaric and #2
Just a few ideas. I’m sure that KP and Penn can come up with even better ones.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this line of thinking
I’d do the 1st deal in a heartbeat, but no way Washington does. Not sure I want Stoudemire. I do the Minny deal, but doubt they do. Don’t like the Redd deal. I love the Memphis deal
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 23, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well here's some reasoning behind the deals suggested
Washington might do it for one reason – or rather 22 million of them. Yep, that’s how much I estimate they save next season in salary and tax payments by making this deal. $22 million.
I wouldn’t want Stoudemire either, unless there was a killer deal for LMA out there. But Portland would have all summer to deal one of them.
Minnesota gets $12-13 million in cap room this summer. They have a new GM who seems to be itchy to make a big splash. This gives him the room to do so.
Milwaukee does it to be able to sign both Sessions and Villaneuva. It’s my least favorite of the suggestions, though.
Memphis is the one team that already has cap room, but are they looking for more? And looking to unload Jaric? Who knows?
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
!!!!
Outlaw, Blake and #24 to Washington for Jamison and #5
Washington wants to save money WITHOUT losing any of their big 3. If we did this it’d be for like James/Thomas/5 instead of someone useful and 5.
Outlaw, Blake, Webster and #24 to Phoenix for Stoudemire
Who do we deal Amare to after this deal goes down?
Outlaw, Blake and #24 to Minnesota for Miller and #6
Would be interesting, I’d only do this if we could use the 6 + something to move up to Rubio, which seems unlikely.
Outlaw, Blake, Webster and Rodriguez to Milwaukee for Redd and #10
Fun thought, Bucks can now resign Vil and Sessions and they get loaded with some young talent, but dunno if they wanna part with Redd yet. Also dunno if we want Redd.
Outlaw, Blake and #24 to Memphis for Jaric and #2
I’d do this in less than a heartbeat, which probably means they don’t.
Just a few ideas. I’m sure that KP and Penn can come up with even better ones.
I like the thought process.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw, Blake and #24 to Memphis for Jaric and #2
Then draft Rubio? That’s a pretty young backcourt with Ricky and Bayless
But…what if the Blazers could work out a deal with Jersey for Devin Harris, using Rubio as the bait?
(Dwight Jaynes, you old devil…)
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had enough money left over to sign an old point guard too, then Rubio + aging vet would be a nice combo.
by pualo on Jun 23, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that combination was the goal
Then just leave Blake out of the original deal to Memphis, maybe insert Bayless instead
But I’m jonesing for Harris and Rubio just might do the trick
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, scratch the Washington and Minnesota ideas
Seeing as how they just traded players/picks.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is twice that much in savings worth to a team looking to drop some team salary?
ooh ooh ooh (Horshak frantically waves his hand)
Devin Harris?
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris is still BYC until July 1st
Might make it difficult, but involving some other players could make it work.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurs blog Pounding the Rock has a post that they don't like the deal. Wow.
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they're not that high on Jefferson to begin with, that's a lot of salary to eat.
μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.
by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doggone it
I was really thinking the spurs might go into rebuild mode and want to lose some payroll. They still strike me as a team that is an injury away from missing the playoffs. If SA struggles down the stretch like this season next year I think they will break it up and move on.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.
by Dragonage on Jun 23, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see this trade as hope for Portland...
Teams are willing to make stupid, boneheaded moves like the one the Bucks did to save money….and Paul Allen has money…. Now it almost seems as though they must make a big move now, because not only will the Blazers have to contend with LA, Denver and Houston in the west, now San Antonio, who I thought might be on the downhill slide with all of their old players, have moved 3 of them to acquire a pretty good young player. Lord help us… Maybe they won’t have any chemistry…. One can hope.
by jenstcy on Jun 23, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who knows maybe this is just the first move
They could be blowing up the whole thing while there players still have value. I don’t really think so but you never know.
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 23, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow it gets crazy. Bucks have turned around and swapped Oberto instantly for Amir Johnson
In an effort to clear more salary cap space, the Detroit Pistons have sent forward Amir Johnson(notes) to the Milwaukee Bucks for newly acquired Fabricio Oberto(notes), a league executive told Yahoo! Sports.
by Norsktroll on Jun 23, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Wallace, NBA Heat writer
Was on with the MSP boys this AM, he said Ben Gordon could go to Detroit, if this happens, the Bulls would keep Hinrich
by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not fair
These trades are so one sided because the Spurs will re-sign both Thomas and Bowen for sure and maybe even Oberto, so the Spurs add Richard Jefferson for nobody but of course the Bucks don’t care because they have cleared $15 million a year off their books which will enable them to re-sign both Villanaueva and Sessions and they also get Amir Johnson from the Pistons. You never know maybe the Blazers can sign and trade Channing FRye to the Grizzlies for the No 2 pick and select Rubio! By the way that was a joke.
by britishblazerandy on Jun 24, 2009 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Watching the draft
Can you watch the draft on ESPN360.com if you buy a monthly pass because I live in Englandd you cannot watch it on the TV so I hav eto watch it on the internet, this is the first year that I will have seen a live NBA Draft because I have to see KP’s magic on youtube.
by britishblazerandy on Jun 24, 2009 8:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there anywhere on the internet where you can watch it from for sure?
I assumed that it would be on ESPN360.com but if there is another website could you please let me know below, I’ve never heard if Justin.tv.
by britishblazerandy on Jun 24, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
bookmark atdhe.net they should have a few links for the NBA draft once it starts. You should bookmark the site because they have most of the NBA games in the regular season as well
by shoothoop on Jun 24, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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