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The Ricky Rubio Kunundrum: Do Top Euro Prospects Live-up to the Hype?

Here are the names in recent draft History that we need to be looking at:

2008: Pick #6 Danilo Gallinari, 6'9" Italy, Forward

2007: Pick #6 Yi Jianlian, 7'0" China, Forward

2006: Pick #1 Anrea Bargnani, 7'0" Spain, Forward-Center

2005: Pick #11 Fran Vasquez, 6'10" Spain, Forward-Center

2004: Pick #8 Rafeal Aruajo, 6'11" Brazil, Forward-Center

2003: Pick #2 Darko Milicic, 7'0", Center

2002: Pick #1 Yao Ming, 7'5" China, Center

2001: Pick #3 Pau Gasol, 7'0" Spain, Forward

 

Although these are just the international players who were the FIRST international players selected in each draft, adding in all the other international players who were drafted in the first round in all these drafts would show that there are much more BUSTS that players who are Stars, or even contributors....  Portland has done well with prospects Nic Batum, Rudy Fernandez and Sergio Rodriguez, but does the trend that MOST International prospects don't pan out scare you at all about new Spanish sensation Ricky Rubio?

Can top International Prospects live up to their hype?  Will Ricky Rubio?

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When you look at it

the foreign players taken in the draft tend to turn out just like the American players. Out of lottery picks in the past decade, about 13% (Yao Ming and Pau Gasol) of the international players have been all-stars, while only 12% of American lottery picks are all-stars. So the foreign-born thing isn’t really troublesome. The only thing I’d be concerned about would be his age and his sleight frame. Still, he seems like he’ll be a quality NBA point guard.

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by Muad'Dib on Jun 22, 2009 8:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rubio will be a franchise point guard

He’s ahead of any 18 year old ever in the NBA, already having played 5 years of professional basketball. His PER of 21 led all PG’s in the ACB league, and he did it at 18 years old. His defense, pick and roll skills, legendary BBIQ and passing ability and much improved shot should fit right into the NBA game. It’s not just his numbers that are good, he improves the efficiency of everyone on his teams. LMA and Oden would see much better looks having a guy like Rubio feeding them. Roy doesn’t have to run the teams offense nearly as often if you have a guy like Rubio more than capable of setting him up. I’d expect Roy to get a lot more open looks without having to work nearly as hard for them. With Rubio, Batum and Oden our defense begins to look like something you can view as a positive, instead of a constant negative.

by as11osu on Jun 22, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Roy not having to create every shot = more energy for defense too

So we’d be upgrading out PG defense and our SG defense at the same time.

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by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so if they're not picked in the top 3 then they wash out? so how does KP get into #3?

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by faith on Jun 22, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In my honest opinion, we've seen the fruitation of a rudy/sergio back court, so I have no reason to not assume that one of the guy's that knocked sergio off the Spanish National team roster....

…won’t do as well if not better than sergio has with rudy… assuming we keep rudy of course :)

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by faith on Jun 22, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Tim Duncan? You forgot him in your international players list.

He was 1#, Nowiztky 9#, Nash 15#, born place is not a factor.

Free Sergio!

by ABSF on Jun 23, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he's looking at players that played international ball

I thought duncan went to college here, but that was before my day :P

by lurtsman on Jun 23, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wake Forest

I have a buddy who keeps reminding me of this

by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oddly

These are all foreign big men. And it seems like a number of them have done incredibly well when you include those listed later (Duncan, Nowitzki), so that’s not really a surprise.

I’d like to see more data on foreign guards, because I was just wondering about the risk of big men as opposed to guards.

by austinpwnz on Jun 23, 2009 3:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ricky worked out for Sacto Monday

They measured him 6’5’’ in shoes, with a 6’7’’ wingspan… no wonder he plays the passing lanes so well.

by kobisportsguy on Jun 23, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and THAT

Is a Nate McMillian-kind of PG. (Very similar measurements to Nate, himself)

The Blazer’s coach loves defense, too. Plus he got to “scout” Ricky in the Olympics last summer

by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 of these guys arn't euros

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by thomasikehara on Jun 23, 2009 8:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry to nitpick

but more to the post, what about American first picks, what is the bust rate on them?

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by thomasikehara on Jun 23, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no worries about the nitpick....

I am not an expert on foreign players, but I was interested in looking at the TOP international players drafted. I didn’t realize that Aruajo played in US college, and I didn’t put the rest of the First Round International players drafted since the millennium. I am not sure how confident I am in a youngster like Ricky Rubio… with the stage that Portland is at right now, taking a skinny 18 year old is risky risky business… but if we are playing for keeps, maybe Ricky Rubio is the way.

How confident would you all be walking away from a draft/off-season with Ricky Rubio being the biggest name we landed?

by Portland Dynasty on Jun 23, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yao and Yi didn't play euro ball, Araujo played US college ball, Darko was a high schooler,

Fran’s refused to play for Orlando (so it’s hard to call him a bust—he’s had a great season in the Euroleagues this year), Danilo was injured his one and only season but still is just as promising as he was when drafted.

So basically your list is down to Pau and Andrea Bargnani. That’s a 50% success rate (100% if you are a delusional Raptors fan) (actually, it’s kind of redundant to say “delusional Raptors fan”— is there any other kind?). Not sure your argument is really panning out here. Considering we have three successful euro transplants on our team, it seems like a curious argument to be making.

What seems to be the case is that like drafting Americans, it helps to look at past performance. Guys without a body of work who were workout warriors tend to bust out at a pretty high rate. Guys who have performed at a high level before entering the bigs tend to be pretty good, unless they’re just too physically limited.

Rubio hasn’t put up extremely high numbers, and there are question marks about his physical limitations. But he’s performed too well at too young an age to be a bust, I think.

by howlingfantods on Jun 23, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh and for the record, I'd be VERY confident.

Ecstatic, really. This kid plays in the second best league in the world, and has been the starter and probably the best player on a very good team in that league, playing with one hand for most of the season, and won DPOY as a scrawny 18 year old.

Look at his stats. As Hollinger has pointed out, euroleague stat translations are usually pretty predictable. By his formulas, we can expect Rubio to be putting up something like 10/5/11 per 36.

The one notable miss in Hollinger’s euroleague translations by the way was Nic Batum, who Hollinger hugely underestimated. Seems notable that Batum was the youngest of the folks Hollinger surveyed – I think his translation predictably doesn’t take into account year over year difference nearly enough. Note that this cuts even more in Rubio’s favor.

by howlingfantods on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i think bargnani was from italy, not spain

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by thomasikehara on Jun 23, 2009 8:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to count Araujo

then Bogut should be the first guy in 2005 (Australia). Both of those guys went to college in Utah, strangely enough, but were born abroad.

Regardless, Muad’Dib is right. The good prospects pan out at roughly the same rate as American players, it just seems worse since so many random Internationals get taken in the second round and never amount to anything. A couple high profile busts like Skita and Weis don’t help out either.

by Royster on Jun 23, 2009 8:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What about age as a point guard?

I know he’s played pro ball for the past couple of years but he’s only 18. The only point guard I can think of who was 18 going into the league is Sebastian Telfair and he never lived up to the hype

by kengriffey on Jun 27, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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