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First, a word...

Let me just say that the single best development for the NBA this year is basketball agents finally realizing they shouldn't want their players drafted by the Memphis Grizzlies and then actively working to prevent that from happening by cancelling workouts, avoiding interviews and visits, etc.  When guys who have worked THEIR ENTIRE LIVES for the dream of making the league and receiving that first big pay check, the one that has the potential to change THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY'S LIVES, are saying "thanks, but no thanks" to your team, coach, city, franchise and your entire crew... that speaks volumes.  

So congratulations Hasheem Thabeet for faking an injury.  And congratulations Ricky Rubio for pretending the Grizzlies don't exist and hiding out in Los Angeles of all places.   You are doing your small part to make the NBA a better league and putting some of your own money on the line.  I appreciate your sacrifice. I hope others do too.

Note:  It's been a busy 72 hours around these parts. Be sure to keep scrolling down and down and down for all the latest.

On to the links.

Chad Ford's latest draft buzz...

The Blazers have been making inquiries all over the first round. Their main target has been Pittsburgh's DeJuan Blair, a burly power forward who plays with a toughness the Blazers lack and coach Nate McMillan would appreciate.

However, Sunday night, there was talk Pritchard has even grander plans. With point guard Ricky Rubio possibly slipping out of the top four, the Blazers are talking to the Wizards about acquiring the No. 5 pick. Pritchard has been on the hunt for a point guard, and Rubio would be a nice fit to round out the Blazers' collection of young, unselfish talents.

As Dave linked below, Jason Quick is back from a month-long sojourn with a very optimistic read on Blazer Management's offseason quotes. It is funny to read Nate admitting to falling in love with the roster...

"(Reporters) keep throwing Travis out there," McMillan said sharply. "Travis ... the guy can play. Travis won us some games. He has been clutch. And I know a part of this whole thing is you get attached to your guys and you don't want to get rid of anybody. You don't want to get rid of Travis, Rudy, Martell, Nic ... of anybody.

Quick also mentions the possibility of renouncing Freeland and Koponen.

In case you missed it last week, Dwight Jaynes is hearing that the Blazers are looking to move up.

Over and over I keep hearing that from my friends around the league. Portland, they say, is trying to get up among the top five or six picks. The Blazers are chasing somebody at the top of the draft.

I keep thinking it's Stephen Curry. I've said that before. 

Brother Wendell Maxey talked last week with Nate McMillan about getting drafted and about Len Bias

Conflicting stories remain. Some believe Bias was overwhelmed by the publicity he'd received during the draft process and pressures of being the second pick and used cocaine to medicate the stress. Others chalk it up to a chance decision resulting in death.

"I never even saw him drink a beer. I don't know if it was a one-time deal, but I know I was with him for a couple months and never heard anything about drugs," McMillan explained.

"To this day, I haven't really heard that he was abusing drugs. Normally you would hear something. I never heard that. He loved the game. He was all about basketball. To hear what happened, it was a total shock."

Brian Hendrickson lays out Nate McMillan's hands-off draft approach.

So when Portland drafts in that same position in Thursday's NBA Draft, McMillan said he will largely take a back-seat role while turning his increasing trust to the Blazers' scouts and management.

"I kind of sit back and observe," McMillan said. "This is their time of year."    

SJ from Rip City Project has been on the Jeff Pendergraph bandwagon for awhile now and he summarizes the Draft The Graph argument very nicely

He can fit in well with the second unit as he and Joel both have strong work ethics on the boards and defensively. He could bring an energy that Channing Frye could not. He can easily come in as an NBA-ready player and just do the dirty work. And he is versatile. As KP said after his workout, Pendergraph can run up and down the court which will be great for half-courts. But, after spending three years under Herb Sendek at Arizona State it is quite evident he can excel in a half-court/slow-paced offense. The kind Portland tends to excel at. Back to my point about him not being a diva. Think about his career at Arizona State. He went from being a star to playing behind James Harden without causing any problems. Another reason why Pendergraph fits is his pre-existing relationship with head coach Nate McMillan. They have known each other for a couple years due to Pendergraph playing with Nate's son Jamelle at Arizona State. As we know by the issues with Sergio and Channing, Nate is big on trust. We know that Nate likes to have ‘his guys' around and will give them the belief and trust and what not. Also, Jeff wants to come here.     

Rick Johannessen of Beyond Bowie has some more thoughts about bangers

The big question that I have with all of these potential draftees is: should we be thinking about using a first round pick on a guy that is the likely successor to the Mike Ruffin/Shavlik Randolph (PF3) spot on this team?

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Perhaps only John Canzano can write a Father's Day tribute and include the words "I" and "me" six times in the first six sentences. That's an award-winning ratio. And that column's headline is pretty, like, awesome too.

Please don't mistake the preceding paragraph as a knock on his subject, Cheri Hanson, who is as friendly and dedicated as Mr. Canzano eventually writes.  She certainly deserves a tribute.  But can we agree that it's best for all parties if JC just sends her an inter-office email next time?

Very interesting article by Howard Beck about NBA Mock Drafts in the NY Times

"Right now 80 to 90 percent of the teams don't know who they're going to pick," Givony said. "So for people to think that we can 100 percent say what's going to happen, I think it's kind of ridiculous."

The mock-drafters generally grade themselves by the accuracy of their insights, not the accuracy rate of the picks. The most critical thing is to peg a prospect's range, to separate the lottery picks from the late first-rounders and to identify each team's preferences. None of them want to be shocked when Commissioner David Stern steps to the lectern.

The experts know they will always get more picks wrong than right. But they beam when the picks fall into place.

Touching article by Clarence Hill Jr. in the Boston Heraldn about Oliver Miller, who finds inspiration in the memory of Kevin Duckworth.

Miller acknowledges his renewed quest to lose weight and get back in the league was sparked by the shocking death of former NBA player Kevin Duckworth of congestive heart failure at age 44. Like Miller, Duckworth battled weight problems throughout his basketball career and had weighed close to 400 pounds before his death.

Miller said Duckworth's death was an eye-opener for him.

"I don't want to be like that," Miller said.

Honestly there are too many draft rumors to even keep track of at this point.  Check out the following links for heavy reading.

Drop any other fun links for discussion that you find in the comments. And of course, check out the fully loaded FanShots for even more reading.

There is another set of pre-draft workouts this morning. Here's the list of participants in case you forgot their names over the weekend.  Check back late this afternoon for my workout thoughts and any stories that might pop up.  Tomorrow's workouts will be the last of this year; names should be released today and I'll pass those on as they become available. 

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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There’s no question Pritchard also is trying to figure out a way to get maximum cap room this summer to use for a free agent or in a trade. The Magic’s Hedo Turkoglu gets the most mention, but sources say Portland’s real target is Bulls point guard Kirk Hinrich.

Please. Please let it happen.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That line made you so happy you didn't even mention...

The Blair rumor. I imagine heads exploding with joy around here if the Blazers added Blair and Hinrich to the roster.

by PoliSam on Jun 22, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if Pritchard brings us Hinrich and Blair………. wow.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yessir

the only “better” combo (IMO) would be Devin Harris and Blair, with maybe Pendergraph added in round 2 for PF depth

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm one of the biggest Devin Harris wonks around

But even I wonder that, now that he got a taste of being The Man, would be feel happy going back to a star role player who is expected to defend every possession?

Hinrich would still be happy doing that. Obviously Harris is a lot better player, and I still love all the things I loved about him as a Mav, but I know it is hard for a young dude to go back to being a key cog instead of the whole engine.

Not that I know him or heard anything negative about Harris, ever. And perhaps playing alongside VC is better practice for being next to Roy than he had playing next to Dirk and Terry.

I’d be uber-excited to get Harris. The Nets would have to change their name to The Nuts if they traded him!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong with you?

What did Devin Harris ever do to you that you would besmirch his good name like that? I thought you guys were going to last forever, but apparently I was wrong.

When my wife get’s home I’m going to tell her that I don’t think our marriage can work and I want a divorce. I’ve lost my faith in eternal love.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 22, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Late at night, I sit on my window box and let my thoughts drift as I look up at the stars in the night sky...

…And I sit and dream that Devin is staring at the same stars I am, and our souls are still intertwined.

And if KP deems it so, we can be together again, for the first time. If not, I wish him the best.

It’s… It’s all I can do.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Parker isn’t even at 32% and he’s an all-star. I tend to think that outside shooting is a little overrated, especially when the player is lethal getting to the line.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's KP!

I want Chris Paul and Chris Bosh!

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 22, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Bosh?

LMA holds that position just fine.

by blacknoiseNW on Jun 22, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Reading!!!

Thanks a million! That was tons of great reading material. I am so excited about dday that I can hardly wait! Thanks for all the updates.

Peace,
CJ Blazer

by cavejunctionblazer on Jun 22, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

DeJuan Blair and Ricky Rubio

Definitely the most promising reports we’ve heard yet. We have the parts to make things happen thanks to Rubio’s soon to be ridiculous and unwarranted fall. Go get your 18 year old point guard for the next 15 years KP. You’ve done the work putting all these assets together, now go put them to use.

by as11osu on Jun 22, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BWahahahaha

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we get Rubio

Give Blake one more year at starter, but let Nate know that Rubio HAS to play 18 minutes a night. Who cares if we lose a silly regular season game or two. We’d have one more year for this team to mesh and go to round 2-3 in playoffs, and then 2010-2011 be ready to win it all.

Granted, I don’t think we get Rubio, but if we did I think we’d need that mindset.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and before people say "but we lose playoff seeding"

Jackson let Ariza go wild from behind the arc this year. If the Lakers lost even 2 games because of that then it cost them the number 1 overall seed. He didn’t care, he knew that having Ariza as a deep threat in the playoffs was more important.

Umm, it worked.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we get Rubio, Bayless could expose him.

Skinny European with some grace against the human bowling ball? I’ll take the bowling ball.

by blacknoiseNW on Jun 22, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Grizzlies are a bad team to play for

Team on sale, cutting costs at all expenses (see Gasol, Pau), signing just enough players to get to the salary minimum. With two good prospects who just look at their stats so they can leave as soon as they are done with their rookie deals.

Seriously, who would like to play there?

This guys are just doing the only thing they can do: Try to convince the Grizzlies not to pick them.

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 22, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the Grizzlies also killed our cap space.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'd be funny if the agents were screwing over the Grizzlettes

Because they screwed over our cap space, both hurting the agents’ buddy KP, and ruining a free agent destination in Portland for a big salary.

DANIBCN, I got a questions— how did Marc Gasol say his time growing up in Memphis went? He went to high school there, right? Does he feel close to the city because of it, and the rumors of his unhappiness there stem from the team’s bad management?

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marc was happy at Lausanne

He was a blessing for them, and turned the team into the local spotlight averaging something around 28-12-5 and shooting 42% from three (he’s a great shooter for a big, something he hasn’t displayed yet on the Grizzs).

His complains during the season were about teammates not caring for the team and just trying to put up numbers. I’d tell a bad joke about Gay being a black hole, but I have much better taste than that.

The bad feelings around Pau and Navarro on the other hand, are based on fans booing Pau when he was the only guy actually caring about winning some games, and about Navarro, I can imagine a sort of spoken deal… he played for cheap because of cap issues (around 1M$) and as far as I know, he had already talked with the Grizzlies about his next contract to make it more even, but the contract never came, just a qualifying offer much much lower than expected when they knew he had to sign before the Olympics so he could compete… another reason to stay away from the Grizzlies.

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 22, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, who would like to play there?

You mean, other than Darius Miles

GRRRR!

Memphis deserves all the bad juju they’re getting from these draft prospects

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Canzano

I am John Canzano. I write short sentences. What is a comma?

by remember-robert-pack? on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I rec compliments

And if my name gets mentioned.

Or if I like sumthin’. It’s a simple formula really, and I rec a lot.

Mo—

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone want to finish the sentence at the bottom of the photo?

My choice – “Obviously the judges… were smoking crack.”

My second submission – “Obviously the judges… were John Canzano, his mother and a 5 year old neighbor kid (he bought off with gummy bears).”

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jun 22, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“So by writing about her dad I’m writing about Cheri, and if she wants to cut me off for complimenting her father, I can live with it.”

“John White was not only her pop, best friend, mentor and former co-worker, but also a man whose vision and impact helped rebrand a once-troubled organization even after he died.”

“And those who knew White will tell you he was knowledgeable, tactful, smart and hardworking.”

“Northwestern, fell in love, got married, moved to Portland, had children and ended up covering the police beat at a Salem newspaper. In the end, because he’d been on both sides, he had a remarkable perspective on what it took to make the dicey media-relations dynamic work.”

by pdxlifer on Jun 22, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 of 4 of these are lists

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction
Pritchard has been on the hunt for a point guard, and Rubio would be a nice fit to round out the Blazers’ collection of young, unselfish talents Spaniards

Im sorry. This team doesn’t need another whiney stringbean dribble-everywhere-till-2-seconds-on-the-clock PG who cant shoot a jumper on the 2nd unit. or worse, starting.

The only mistake Pritchard can make that is WORSE than keepin Blake is getting rid of Sergio and replacing him with Rubio.

Sophia

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Can't shoot a jumper?

Rubio hit 42% of his 3 point attempts this year in the ACB. 1% better than Rudy did his final year there He’s a perfect unselfish, defensive stopper, playmaking, off the charts BBIQ’d player that is 18 years old and hasn’t even begun to hit his full potential. Not drafting him if we have the chance without giving up our big 6 would be a gigantic mistake.

by as11osu on Jun 22, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hardly
defensive stopper

get him in the nba see how he shoots then… the 3 in the ACB? really?

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't be worse than Bayless

And yes, just watch him play. He’d be our best defender at point guard immediately upon landing on this team. His playmaking ability is off the charts. Give him this roster and watch Oden and LMA blossom in a way you didn’t think was possible. P+R’s ridiculousness onslaught. It doesn’t take much to figure out how to spot up, as proven by Batum’s stunning 3 point percentages upon arrival. He was a 35% 3 point shooter in France. I guess you really wouldn’t have drafted him either… right? Same deal with the string bean physique etc. Oh wait…

by as11osu on Jun 22, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he actually can be worse than bayless.

Bayless shot well in college.
Bayless played tough d in college
Bayless dominated Summer League

He bombed in the real games.

Rubio may or may not bomb .. but he’s not going to dominate. He’s not , IMHO, make a huge difference. We will still have lack of anything in our 1 spot per usual.

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless was a pretty bad defender in college.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it baffles my mind that people keep spreading the myth that Jerryd Bayless ...

was anything but a crappy defender. In fact, here’s an article referencing the difficulties former Arizona Wildcats head coach Kevin O’Neill had with the soft, atrocious defense of Bayless and Chase Budinger.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=4274871

“[T]he Wildcats were getting blitzed by UCLA at Pauley Pavilion. O’Neill went into the locker room at halftime and ripped into Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger and crew for essentially being soft. O’Neill was so upset, he broke a chalkboard into pieces.”

In addition, here’s my analysis of Bayless’ garabage defense at the professional level.

“Bayless’ inability to fight through screens on pick-and-roll defense, overaggressive on-ball defense that leads to foul trouble, and relatively tiny wingspan that makes him useless at clogging the passing lanes are the three major reasons regarding why he flat-out sucks on that end of the court.”

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/22/846784/in-defense-of-the-players#14569595

All in all, I detest Bayless’ style of play as much as some folks foolishly love his game.

by AK1984 on Jun 22, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

O’Neill went into the locker room at halftime and ripped into Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger and crew for essentially being soft. O’Neill was so upset, he broke a chalkboard into pieces."

That sounds more like an “O’Neill problem” than a Bayless/Budinger problem

(And evidently Lute Olson agreed, since he dismissed O’Neill after returning to campus)

We’ll never know how Jerryd would’ve fared if he had been coached by Olson at UA. He certainly wasn’t recruited to play under O’Neill’s “system” and did the best he could, considering the circumstances

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless shot worse in college

than Rubio did in the ACB last year.

Bayless also sucked defensively in college.

by as11osu on Jun 22, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure we're talking about

not being able to shoot worse than Bayless did in the NBA.

And yes, that’s pretty much impossible. Only 4 guys in the league played at least 600 minutes and had a lower eFG% than Jerryd, and any time your shooting is being compared to Brevin Knight’s and Chuck Haye’s, you know you have problems.

by Royster on Jun 22, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL i know

im just saying … often people that shoot well in college/europe dont shoot as well in the NBA.

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum shot as well as he did in Europe after working with John Townsend.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum wasn't playing b/c of his offense.

lets be real- his shot improved remarkably and his role on the offense was to

a. move

stand in corner

c. last option shoot if open

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, he was better than the other SL sensation

Donte Greene, so he wasn’t even the worst shooting summer league stud this year. Gotta count for something.

by Royster on Jun 22, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless' raptor arms defended well in college?

No, the cult of Kevin Pritchard promoting Bayless as a future PG>the cult of Rubio fanatics who anoint him the next great PG.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could have sworn Pat Riley brought Bayless and Mayo in last season at the last ditch to think about drafting one of them instead of Beasley

I could also have sworn Bayless was #4 on all mock drafts the day before the draft. I’m sure I remember that wrong now.

by Norsktroll on Jun 22, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's fun to make things up

Bayless was a rising star leading up to the draft, just saying if Portland hadn’t made a draft day trade for him and simply acquired him, there would be less fanfare around him. Because he was acquired via “Pritchslap” it somehow implies he is going to be really good.

Rubio is still a better prospect than Bayless, and that was my point.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Norsk is right

Bayless-Mayo workout, although I really don’t see any way that the Heat could have actually drafted Bayless there without getting skewered given that Bayless was completely shut down in both of their matchups (averaging 9 ppg).

And while he fluctuated a little from draft to draft, he was widely expected to go between 4 and 7, although draftexpress’s final mock had him going tenth (posted the day of the draft, though, and it also had Koufos going 11th).

What gets me is people using those mocks to say “we got the 4th best talent in the draft”, which is just asinine.

by Royster on Jun 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KP said he was 4th on their board. But admittedly he would likely have said the same about Westbrook or Augustin

The point is that several teams liked Bayless a lot. And that his last year is not what the rest of his career needs to look like, but that he has very good talent. He would be top 5-10 again this year.

by Norsktroll on Jun 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bet I can guess all five.

1) Because you say so.

2) Because you consider Pac 10 basketball to be on par with your local rec league.

3) Because you get paid a lot more sitting on the Blazer’s bench. (Ok, maybe not a lot, but more.)

4) The Blazer dancers are hotter than the Arizona cheerleaders (if not as easy).

5) Because you say so.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jun 22, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that he was definitely a lottery pick

but apparently the teams who would have scouted him most closely all found other guys they like more, and given success of rookies drafted ahead of him this year (the only guys who had as bad/worse years were Alexander and Dino), it’s hard to pick a guy and say, “Bayless should have gone ahead of him”, which is why I think declaring him the 4th best talent in the draft is off base.

You had two guys that would have been ROYs in any year that they both weren’t rookies (Rose and Lopez) and two guys who would have been ROYs in most normal years (Gordon, Mayo). Putting Bayless above any of those guys at the very least right now (obviously arguments could be made for Westbrook, Love, Beasley, but I don’t really care about making a list here) is just ignoring reality.

Now that you mention it, though, I’m trying to think back to a player in the draft last year that KP didn’t rave about. Seems like we heard Bayless, Westbrook, Augustin, and Alexander were all set to be future superstars at different points in time

by Royster on Jun 22, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I took the Bayless-Mayo work outs

As a sign that Miami could trade the #1 pick and move down to the mid-lottery.

KP was either quoted or a rumor started that he said that Bayless was 4th on his own personal draft board. That, plus most mock drafts listing him at #4 for a while, probably help foster the notion that he was ranked 4th in that draft.

I am of the belief that Bayless will likely become a good NBA player, it may not be what we want but it’ll be talented and good, and that he is extremely young and athletic and still of high potential that would be drafted top 5 this year— even after his bad rookie year.

If he came out of college right now, after doing good his freshman year and likely better his sophomore year, he’d be ranked pretty high just because of his athletic gifts.

Now that I see Norsk replied, I’ll say I agree that KP is likely to say the positive thing about the player no matter what (as in, “he was 4th on my draft board” and etc). I’m just theorizing where so many people likely got that idea.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mind the "4th talent" thing

so much at draft time, because of the noises coming from KP’s camp and then his SL performances, even if I did think it was a little delusional, but what would get me was seeing it in December on when the rest of the rookie class was tearing up the court and he was mired behind Sergio.

I agree that he’ll become a good player, but he’ll be one of many from this draft. To put it this way, I don’t think we’ll be reading features about how all these lottery GMs screwed up big time by picking Beasley/Mayo/Augustin/Gordon/Love instead of Jerryd, just like we don’t see stories about Houston screwing up by picking Hakeem over Jordan.

by Royster on Jun 22, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a bit early to say that

Jerryd could have had the same year Westbrook had (Rookie game invitation and all) if he played the same minutes for OKC on a losing team where everyone who can score can feel free to do so.

by Norsktroll on Jun 22, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"could have"

yeah, it’s possible, but in the end, it’s still speculation as to what would happen. Maybe he would have, maybe not. Probably he would have had a similar year, but I don’t buy the it’s 100% guaranteed argument.

FWIW, I wouldn’t even consider Westbrook to be in the top 4 players in this class going forward, with Rose, Lopez, Mayo, Beasley, Love and Gordon all ahead of him. Could Bayless become better than some of those guys (and DJ and Westbrook)? Sure, but I don’t think that he’ll become so much better than them that taking those guys over Bayless will be considered a major draft blunder.

At best, I see it similar to the 2004 Childress/Deng/Iguodala situation, when Childress went 6, Deng went 7, and Iggy went 9 (Araujo in between, ew). Yeah, Iggy’s the best player, but we almost definitely aren’t going to ever read about how Chicago and Atlanta (assuming they bring Childress back) completely screwed the pooch in that draft because it’s not a Ammo/Roy gap between the three of them.

by Royster on Jun 22, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can find a lot of draftniks that would disagree with you.

Draft Express, for instance, had Bayless at a 99, better than any PG in the 2009 draft.

by blacknoiseNW on Jun 22, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rose is a bust

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Ricky over Sergio for sure.

My beef is more along the lines of making the team even younger for a guy having to learn the most difficult position in the most challenging league while adjusting to a new country and language.

Besides, we’d have to get at least the third pick to have a shot at Rubio because I’m certain Sacto will pick him if he’s still on the board at #4.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd worry about that too

But, if KP did get him, then I’d say he’s likely to become one of the elite PGs in the league and if that is possible then you get him and, once again, suffer through the growing pains.

Some in Sacto think Petrie doesn’t like Rubio that much and may go American this time around… but everyone has a hard time predicting him, so who knows. I worry about the Kings fans, after last year’s draft, and if they don’t get Rubio one way or another (or if Kings management has a chance to get Rubio and doesn’t…).

If we don’t get Rubio I’m fine, I worry about his chances, but if our management thinks he’ll be an elite PG than we get him and deal with it.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just saw on one of the sites linked above

that they’re thinking of passing, hence the rumor that he might slip out of the top 4

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by hobobob on Jun 22, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just heard a poll on the Kings talk radio program this morning

that said 71% of Kings fans want Rubio if they can get him. FWIW.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, they want him

They want him bad.

But they do worry that Petrie doesn’t.

I don’t think Rubio will drop that far, someone will get him one way or another. I’ll be happy for Sacramento if they do get Rubio, because the fans deserve a ray of hope like that.

M.

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio would put butts in the seats.

I’m thinking of opening a butt factory there.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ammo woulda' put butts in our seats too

But winning put more butts, LONG TERM butts, big wide seat filling butts in our seats more than a popular kid woulda’.

Of course, with Rubio, you could have best of both worlds… seat filler, and winner.

If Petrie thinks someone else will help him win more I hope he takes that person, since the short term ticket sales thing never works if the dude doesn’t live up to the hype and in fact is more likely to hurt your ticket sales even more than before.

(Not that you were saying otherwise. I would invest in a butt factory for Sactown if the team gets Rubio, or if the team simply becomes decent again. They love their team).

M————————

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heart of a champion

I guess they were all right about Ammo!

Damn.

Damno.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like another town I heard of, Portland was it?

They all wanted some guy named Adam really bad, right? Well Portland sure got screwed. I hear this Adam is winning championships elsewhere now.

by staylost on Jun 22, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can honestly say I never ever wanted Adam

I said he’d be a bust. I also said JJ would be a bust.

Hire me!

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say Rubio is on another level than Sergio

There’s a big reason Rubio is on the national team and Sergio is replaced by Raul Lopez…

I am not convinced Rubio will be the STAR lots of people think he’ll be (I worry about the same things I worry about with any Euro— athleticism and strength), but he’s certainly on another level than Sergio defensively and I would say he’s a smarter passer.

But I ain’t an expert on Rubio… just Sergio. And my familiarity with Sergio may biase me against Sergio.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

rubio is def. better than sergio

but their style is the same in that they move quickly and are most effective on the break.

Sergio’s huge issues come inpart because he has to play Nate’ half court which is directly contrary to what he needs to do . Rubio would be innefective in our system. He would end up just like Sergio.

S

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by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

‘cept Rubio actually runs the pick and roll. that’s where a lot of his production comes from.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who's he gonna run it with?

joel? Channing ? our next backup PF?

S

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by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

hm. well that’s if he’s starting…

u love him that much? really u think he’s SO GOOD he’ll waltz right in and take Blakes sacred spot?

Um NO..

S

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by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there isn’t going to be hockey lines shifting in and out. There will be overlap when Rubio is in with Greg, LaMarcus, or both.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i get it. there is supposedly this 10 man rotation

or whatever. but for serious he’ll play with the 2nd unit.

Maybe Greg fails again this year and is relegated to the bench .. then does some PR work w/ Rubio.. but lets not hOPe for that scenario.

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) Joel was a good pick and roll player with NVE.
2) Rubio would probably have ten minutes per game without either Oden or LMA beside him.
3) The move is for the future, not the present.
Why not have Blake starting and Rubio marinating for the future?

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How FAR in the future

i mean , we are FUTURE FUTURE FUTURE.. it’s getting to the point now where we have to start putting the “icing” on the cake.

Waiting 4 years for the PG we spent super bux and players for to develope is not smart.

I totally agree he’s better (way) than Sergio. I dont like his style of play but it DOES show he’ll b an NBA player (unlike Sergio). Im not convinceed Rubio will be a superstar or ever an all star like every1 says.

I think he’s wrong for this team.

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like a really long time, but the schedule says to wait at least one more year

before our window opens officially. Patience will get us there.

I think Rubio could contribute more than some of the players we’d give up to get him (depending on who) this year, and much more so the next. That’d be opening year for our window.

If he turns out to be a great player, he could extend our window by a distance.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 22, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

er extend it by something relating to time not distance

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 22, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Waiting 4 years for the PG we spent super bux and players for to develope is not smart

It wouldn’t take Rubio that long, not even with Nate as his coach

I agree that “there’s no time like the present” to compete while Brandon is in his prime. But that’s an argument you’d use for not keeping Sergio, or drafting one of the other rookie PGs in this draft.

Ricky would push Blake in training camp and could take over the starting job at mid-season. He’s that good. Playing Rubio alongside Rudy in the 2nd unit would take the Spanish AIR-mada to new heights

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To play devil's advocate:

That’s what we thought Bayless would do this year. But if I had to choose between Rubio and Bayless, I have to go with Rubio. He might even be worth a bench player or two.

μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 22, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Blazers draft Rubio

and keep Blake, then Bayless should be moved ASAP. Game over for Jerryd in PDX. No PT, no future

I doubt Nate will complain about having to “wait” and develope Rubio. McMillian saw Ricky play in the Olympics and knows how much perimeter defense the kid can bring

Has anyone heard if Rubio has any concerns about playing in Portland? I know Rudy is here and has played well, but many Espana fans are already “down” on Nate for how he’s dealt with Sergio

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kewl

But I can’t wait for Sergio’s fans to howl if Ricky is hooked up with Nate

(apples n’ oranges re: how McMillian would utilize Rubio, compared to Rodriguez)

by two4larue on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm the window starts Oden's third year

This was mentioned by either Nate or KP a while back. Oden missed a year so our legit title window opens not next year, but the year after.

If we had Rubio he could play 18-20 minutes a night behind Blake. I would say forget a third PG and make sure Rubio gets his minutes.

I’m not sure why you keep spewing this nonsense about PGs needing 4 years. There are loads and loads of PGs who did good in 1 or 2 years. If KP thinks that Rubio is at the same level as those PGs, then he could be ready to be a PG on a title team by his second year.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, young players tend to improve at a quicker rate

If they are given consistent minutes on a good team. It’s how Tony Parker became a great player despite his glaring flaws.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregory Wayne Oden and LaMarcus Nurae Aldridge.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know how Nurae is pronounced?

Is it “New-Ray”? Or “Nuh-Ray”? Or sumthin’ else all crazy and whiggety weird?

Mo—

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I once dated a guy from Dallas

who had that very typical deep, dallas drawel(sp?) . I think in this case it would be pronounced “nuh” ray

s

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He (Rubio) seems to hit his big men on the roll as well

Sergio hates passing to big men. He likes passing to mid-range jump shooters.

Rubio’s halfcourt fundamentals are better than Sergio’s, so if we somehow miraculously got him I think he’d fit. It’d just be a rough go of it at first since he is so young and looks 13 years old.

M.

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio’s brilliance is in passing to the big man rolling to the hoop. He made a crappy Joventut front line look really good.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio is dynamic in the P+R

he’s more than capable of running Nate’s simplistic offense, and maximizing the efficiency of it. He’s not going to be a 43% shooter from deep like Blake is now, but he’s also ridiculously better at every other facet of the game.

by as11osu on Jun 22, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

qualify this please
he’s also ridiculously better at every other facet of the game.

I just cant believe u aren’t defending Sergio.

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio is the minor league version of Ricky

Rubio is one of the 3 or 4 best point guard prospects of the last decade. Defending a guy that will be average like Sergio when discussing him isn’t necessary. Rubio dominated his competition at a level that few ever have. He’s unquestionably the best point guard in a professional MENS basketball league at the age of 18.

by as11osu on Jun 22, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i get it
best point guard in a professional MENS basketball league at the age of 18.

we dont need youth .. who cares if he’s the best 18 year old.

S

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by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we can get him for spare parts, then why not have a young PG for 2012?

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you think sac or some1 takes "spare parts"

for him? really? like what , channing?

Come on. To get him for nothing , cool. Im fine. But the reality it, that’s a high price. He’s not going to come to PDX for anything less than at least a big six player …

S

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by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the point of the exercise is that he was slipping and we might get him at five.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for pointing that out sherlock

top 5 allstar potential PG given up for ..

spare parts?

really?

S

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by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless, Trout and #24...

isn’t exactly spare parts. But it certainly would be a bargain for us as well.

by as11osu on Jun 22, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

for salary swallowing and affordable young talent.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ad hominem

Sherlock Holmes was a habitual cocaine user. I think you’re saying he’s a coke head. If you don’t have nice things to say, then you should say mean things.

by tominhawaii on Jun 22, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, we wouldn't get him at #4 from Sactown

The general rumor is that Sactown’s management isn’t crazy high on Rubio and will by a Ford instead. So, the Bullets, wanting to trim their money pit roster, sells us the #5 for us taking bad contracts and we give them whatever.

That sort of thing.

M.

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i need to make sure to read all your posts before i post

or maybe I’ll just copy n paste next time.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nah, it makes us both look better

If two people say the same thing! Makes it look like a universal truth.

—M

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It makes us both sound better

like Rumsfeld used to say, “if you hear it enough, it becomes true.”
  Maybe Nietzsche beat him there

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 22, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, I never went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public

so…. there’s that

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by hobobob on Jun 22, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WA needs money, and could be interested in somethign

if SAC passes, that’s the only way it could happen.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Again

The good PGs don’t always take 3 years to develop. Rose, Paul, Deron, Kidd, what Billups would have been without injury, and loads of other guys came out and produced right away. Now, I doubt we would start Rubio in year 1, but he’ll be a good starting PG by his second year.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I would like an upgrade for Blake right away...

…if KP and friends felt like Rubio was gonna be one of those elite PGs, then even if he’s 18 and won’t help much now it’ll be worth it.

I have many of the same worries you do, but if a guy is gonna be that good, ya get him because it is BPA all ’da way in the draft.

It’s easier for me though, because I see Oden’s development (and everyone else’s too of course) as the biggest thing that will enable us to make that jump to true contender. A better PG would be great and of course getting an elite (or sub-allstar) level PG would be awesome, but our salvation lies with Oden and if Oden is Oden then Blake is ok enough to be the place holder for a Rubio.

If Rubio is that good, of course.

I think it’s mostly moot, his draft value is too high to slide to 5. If he does and we can get him for absorbing bad contracts and whatnot, then we should get him. He’s too valuable not to.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

the question i have is "will he REALLY be THAT GOOD"

to give up a piece of the rotation ?

I dont think so.

but obvi i just hate skinny whiney spanish PG’s w/ ugly haircuts.

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got a quick question

What did he do that was whiney? Did I miss a news tidbit?

If it’s about the buyout, I’d agree with him, that thing is way unfair, dude. He never made that much.

BUT, I wonder why his “people” allowed him to sign it since he’s been a NBA prospect for forever.

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

stayin in cali

not working/talking to the grizz?

lol

s

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by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd counter

that he’s growing it out in some race to ultimate FUGness w/ Sasha Vujacic …

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ah, but you fail to see that Sasha Vujacic has flat-out ...

awesome hair. Of course, I’m totally biased on this topic.

by AK1984 on Jun 22, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Look, I don't hate long hair, but Vuj. is ugliness personified.

With or without the greasy hair.

OT: So does Fabio’s hair get your thumbs up?

by staylost on Jun 22, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't care at all for Walter Herrmann's hair.

Still, Sasha Vujacic and Mike Miller get my seal of approval regarding hairstyles.

by AK1984 on Jun 22, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: Changed my profile pic.

Can I get a seal of passing at least?

by staylost on Jun 22, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

That hair reminds me of Erik Von Detten.

by AK1984 on Jun 22, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh

Well, yeah, I get annoyed when a guy refuses to play for someone, but I’m also a fan of leverage and getting the best deal for yourself and not just settling for something that isn’t in your best interest just because ‘that is how it is done’.

I can’t blame Rubio for not wanting to play for Memphis, or for using the “I will stay in Europe” as leverage. I can see why it would bug people though, so I can’t debate that.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just think he's whiney b/c he's young

and from Spain. It’s not really that serious of an issue w/ me.

But i GUARANTEE u we see him pitching a fit somewhere this season. If it’s on our bench i’ll say mortimer " i told u so"

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone is doing that

And it’s not like it’s even his choice. He has to do what his agents/managers/coaches want because he’s 18 and probably know very little about the politics of the NBA. (I don’t think most players know much about the politics of the NBA even when they reitre, they just do as they’re told.)

I do agree about the ugly hair though, but if he came here Rudy could give him pointers on how to be sexier.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Puts his decision-making ability in doubt.

A point guard who can’t make smart decisions? Maybe he could start for Menudo, but I don’t think he can start for us.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

word

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

decisions made at 14 and 15? I have a hard time judging him for that.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I judge him for trusting his parents.

That’s never a smart move, as my kids frequently tell me.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really wish you could judge the players on their abilities

Instead of only judging them by their looks.
It is very demeaning to them to treat them like pieces of meat.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jun 22, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

Now, that’s called coming back to bite!

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by hobobob on Jun 22, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's exactly right

i only like basketball b/c i get to stare at sweaty men and I only want HOT boys on my team.

Nice try dearest.

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he will be

He records 6 assists per game coming back from hand injury in a league that is very stingy with assists. Blake’s 14 in one quarter would have been 8-9 there. He plays with a poor man’s version of Dirk Nowitzki as his power forward (a very poor version). His SG was Rudy (the only really good player he every played with outside of the national team), now it’s Coby Karl. His SF is of average athleticism compared to NBA players, but moves well off the ball. In fact they all do. His teammates work hard off the ball because they know he will find them to throw them oops and create open shots or dunks for them.

I fully expect him to have 5 assists per game playing 20+ minutes per game in his first NBA season. Then add 2 to that every year until he is on a level with the best of them. He won’t shoot like Chris Paul or Steve Nash, but pass like that. And he will defend like Rajon Rondo. I fully believe that. He is 6’5’’ in shoes. He is the closest thing to Steve Nash on offense and Jason Kidd on defense since, um, yeah, Rondo.

by Norsktroll on Jun 22, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blake would take Rubio to school

the difference between an 18-yr with talent and a former NCAA champion with years of experience is not trivial. Rubio couldn’t hold Blake’s jock, right now. Five years in the NBA might change things, a bit. But right now, Rubio is a project. Period.

by blacknoiseNW on Jun 22, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nobody on the "Redeem team"

was making Ricky look bad, last summer

I’m sure Steve could teach Rubio a thing or two, but he couldn’t keep the kid in front of him

OTOH, Ricky would be “in” Blake’s jock from the first day or training camp

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio will take time to develop, his first few years you are throwing away the money. But long-term he’s got incredible potential. I think in the end he’s better fit for the NBA than international ball. Just give him time. Dirk wasn’t the bomb right away either. If you got time (the Blazers do) Rubio could be a great pick.

That said Blair is a baller and would fit in great with the Blazers. He’s been working on his game getting it NBA ready. The man doesn’t commit turnovers and improved amazingly at not getting fouls. And he always played best against better opponents, I think he’ll be a solid player in the NBA.

Max Talbot is The Superstar.
Tikka da da, tikka da.

by Phantaskippy on Jun 22, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

word
That said Blair is a baller and would fit in great with the Blazers

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Years?

Why will his first 3 years be throwing away money?

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to have to disagree on this one

Keep in mind I’ve been strongly in the “don’t draft a rookie PG” camp this whole spring

I’d make an exception for Rubio. Sacramento doesn’t want him because of language differences would prevent him from becoming an instant “leader” with their roster full of coach killers, but there would be no such problem in PDX with Rudy and the choir boys.

Rubio has the upside that Sergio can only dream about. Don’t lump them together. If KP can move up to draft him and not have to surrender Rudy or Batum in the process? Nate will just have to take on another PG project. But this time around, his young PG will actually have the “goods”

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having said that

If I had to choose between trading up for Rubio or Blair, I pick DeJuan and fill the starting PG position with a veteran who can push Blake to the bench

Pauls says “win now”

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for bringing up Canzano.

Seriously — his Father’s Day column was an appalling work of self-absorption. I’m glad it’s being called out for what it is.

Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.

by Badalona Baddie on Jun 22, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one who thought it was a nice tribute to the Hansons?

Canzano is a columnist. Columnists use the pronoun I a lot. Canzano deserves to be bashed for a lot of things, but to bash him over something like this is petty.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Face it

You want to marry Canzano and he is your favorite anything ever.

I agree that using “I” is normal for a columnist, since, after all, it is supposed to be from their viewpoint. He just ALWAYS makes himself the forefront of the story, making the “I” especially indulgent.

Even if someone is dying, the fact that he is bringing this story to light is the focus of the story.

That sort of thing.

But, I agree, there isn’t a specific number of "I"s someone can use before they are a Canzano type. It just fits his MO and thus becomes a funny thing to point out.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wrong you are, smog-breather. I want to marry you.

I talked to your wife about a buyout but she said I’d have to include Mercury in the deal and I didn’t want to have to kill you to marry you.

Canzano made himself part of that writeup but the Hansons were the focus. You are just a hating hater whose mind is twisted from smog. But I still think you’re hot.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's already married

sadly to TOMINHAWAII

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

by BlazerFan1 on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that sucks.

I guess there’s nothing left for me to do but short-sheet their matrimonial bed.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What he doesn't know won't kill him, Miled.

You do everything you’re told to do?

Ya gotta BELIEVE in life after love, Miled!!

.M.

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I may be dumb,

but I’m not dumb enough to cheat on my wife with a smog-eater who is cheating on his wife with another married cheater who may be rife with weird tropical diseases.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's okay to tease Canzano in a thread that teases Canzano

While debating him is pointless, this, for now, is the best location to discuss Canzano since Canzano is a part of the post.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

then start your own fanpost

Canzano talk is cloggin up this one

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

It’s hardly part of the thread as a whole, and the post that started it discussed Canzano.

Why worry so much about people discussing something on topic? There were a bunch of different topics Ben listed, people can focus on the ones they wish to focus on and discuss them.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sorry...

Ben started it.

Mod. Moderate. Moderation. Moderator.

by -ken on Jun 22, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT???

Stop snitchin’.

Anyway, Dave made it clear that we aren’t supposed to invoke the mods upon people. It’s as bannable as swearing. Flag it if you have a problem and go start your own fanpost.

(and if you are joking, I guess I’m just slow today and I don’t get it.)

by staylost on Jun 22, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Besides, Canzano is obviously doing something right if he is getting awards from the AP.

"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler

by lrh86 on Jun 22, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See my comment above about that.

Third entry – “Obviously the judges …. knew about the candid photos John possess.”

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jun 22, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or

Obviously the judges… saw a very talented columnist.

I doubt any one of the people on here could hold a candle with him in journalistic talent.

I don’t always agree with his positions but I do recognize that he is very good at what he does.

"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler

by lrh86 on Jun 22, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the thing

The AP is a bunch of idiots.

There was a comic that was submitted once to a newspaper judging thingymajig. The title of the comic is, “THE POORLY DRAWN COMIC”

The comic got a lot of good reviews about the content, but didn’t get an award because “The artwork was poor.”

Apparently people who work in the field of writing are a little slow on the uptake.

Also, the people at the AP don’t actually know that half of the stuff that Canzano writes about is crap and just outright wrong.

Finally, being “AP” doesn’t make you a good judge of writing. These guys aren’t even looking for the same stuff in a column that a normal reader is. To me, awards are completely elitist because they look at all of the wrong stuff.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 22, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is your opinion.

I think I’ll trust the AP’s opinion long before you, no offense but you are a commenting on a sports blog, the AP is comprised of news organizations across the country.

Also, the people at the AP don’t actually know that half of the stuff that Canzano writes about is crap and just outright wrong.

This in not a good way to argue that he is not a good columnist. What he writes is his OPINION! His columns are always well put together and convey his thoughts well. As I have said, I don’t always agree with him but he is still good at what he does.

The AP is a bunch of idiots.

Again, your OPINION. The AP is a respected news organization in most peoples eyes.

by lrh86 on Jun 22, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The lead in Canzano's article on the Hanson's was terrific.

It grabbed me by the nose and dragged me into the story. Before I knew it, I was laughing, crying, hugging strangers, and donating money to the Red Cross.

Canzano is AWESOME!

BTW, anyone seen John around? He owes me ten bucks.

by MiledAnimal on Jun 22, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been to journalism contests and actually seen how the judging works.

Something tells me you haven’t. Awards are done by the “elite” who really don’t care what the normal person thinks.

Think about it. In theory, shouldn’t “album of the year” “song of the year” and so on always go to whoever sells the most? I mean, if the most people like them, they should win the awards. This isn’t how things work though because people who give out awards don’t use the same criteria that normal people do.

Or how about the AP poll in college football. You do realize that many of these guys admit to never having seen teams play that they vote on. Yeeeeahh… we should definitely take these contests at face value. And I guess when People Magazine says that Brad Pitt is the single hottest man in the world, you believe that too. I mean they are a credible magazine with lots of staff.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhh and this little gem

“Again, your OPINION. The AP is a respected news organization in most peoples eyes.”

And half the country thinks that Fox News is a reliable source of news, or that anything that Jon Stewart says is fact. 99% of the world used to agree that the world was flat. The idea that “most people” believe something doesn’t make it right.

The Princess of Blazersedge

by Zaig on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I happen to think Fox news is a reliable source of news.

If you rely on the Obama networks, I am sorry. Lets not turn this into a political debate though.

All this crap about “elite” is just that, CRAP.

by lrh86 on Jun 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The idea that "most people" believe something doesn’t make it right.

Doesn’t this contradict with this statement

Think about it. In theory, shouldn’t "album of the year" "song of the year" and so on always go to whoever sells the most? I mean, if the most people like them, they should win the awards. This isn’t how things work though because people who give out awards don’t use the same criteria that normal people do

by lrh86 on Jun 23, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or it says a lot about

Sports commentary in the newspaper media.

If someone likes him I am totally fine with it, but MAN I hate how he writes and MAN I hate how uneducated he is about sports. And how he is a egotist who tries to come across as a populist. It’s gross.

But, that is my opinion, and I am fine with others disagreeing.

I only read his basketball related columns these days, if it doesn’t look too annoying. He’s got the “pseudo-meaningful” style of writing down.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Journalism has become a joke.

I know they still teach journalism at college, I got a degree in a field that worked closely with the journalism department before moving off to other things. So I know it exists. But I’m not surprised that they can’t get jobs, because journalism doesn’t sell papers these days. Weekly World News went under because “real” newspapers cut in on their turf.

As bad as Canzano’s writing is, at least it has some small modicum of journalism left in it. Which makes him about the last one in the country to have any. I would have voted for him too. I miss real journalism in my news. If any of you out there are journalists and are still doing journalism, I commend you whole-heartedly. I, for one, miss it terribly.

μὴ φοβοῦ, μόνον πίστευε.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 22, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s because he was actually part of the story. He was allowing the audience to see from his perspective.

Canzano is just a columnist. A columnist who doesn’t understand commas, sentence structure, or how to write without constantly referencing himself.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 22, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a columnist who does the one thing...

columnists are supposed to do. He gets people to talk about him.

Mod. Moderate. Moderation. Moderator.

by -ken on Jun 22, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that columnists were supposed to get people talking about ...

.. whatever the topic or subject is they are writing about.

But I could be wrong.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jun 22, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That, too...

but mainly they are supposed to sell newspapers. If people are talking about them, the editors know they are being read.

Mod. Moderate. Moderation. Moderator.

by -ken on Jun 22, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should be happy he won the award

Big market, here Johnny Canz comes!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Chicago has plenty of idiotic sports journalists, thank you very much

And Jay Mariotti is no longer a columnist, so things are looking up for the slowly decaying print industry.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 22, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebecca is untouchable

there’s no way we trade her and get equal value

formerly fromagnon... I remember back in the day... way back before you young cats were around, back when I ruled the jersey contest... back when it meant something... back when hip-hop was alive

BLAM

by The Arkitect on Jun 22, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's writing from his own perspective.

Seriously, who cares? I like to see a clear perspective when I read an article, rather than from some dry, amorphous collumn that sounds like any grad school journalist could have written with no angle.

All aboard the Kirkwagon!

by Arby on Jun 22, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A columnist SHOULD tell it from his perspective

That is how it works. It isn’t a news story, it is a personal column.

But what Johnny Canz does, is not just tell the story from his perspective, but make the fact that he is telling the story, the story. Therefore, he becomes the subject of the column, not whatever is the “topic” of the column.

So, that rubs people the wrong way.

There is no maximum on how many "I"s and "Me"s a columnist can use, Ben was just kidding fun like. But it’s funny because it fits.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In involving himself in the story, only slightly

he was able to show the subject’s modestly and penchant for obsurity, which further supports the topic of the article to begin with.

All aboard the Kirkwagon!

by Arby on Jun 22, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm speaking in general terms

Not this article specifically.

And, speaking in general terms, knowing what we think we know about Johnny Canz egotism, we find it funny he spoke of himself so much at the start of an article.

What I am saying I dislike about Canzano is not every article, just most of them in a general way.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 22, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like John Canzano's Dockers

"Should I ask? What's a punani?" - by annthefan on May 3, 2009 1:55 PM

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 22, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 23, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somehow I can't get to excited about draft rumors.

Portland trading up. Portland trading out. Blair. Rubio. Big deal.

Maybe because it is the fact I happen to really like the team we have. Perhaps more so it is because history has shown that most of the people reporting the rumors rarely get it right and most good GM’s like to spread false leads to hide their intentions. What will be will be. In any event, it is unlikely to have a major impact on the team’s performance next season.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jun 22, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

unless a few major players go out on deals

But I hear you, I would prefer an all quiet week rather than a bunch of uniformed fanboy speculation. But then again, here I am reading it all.

by Sonic Boom on Jun 22, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How we get Rubio....
However, Sunday night, there was talk Pritchard has even grander plans. With point guard Ricky Rubio possibly slipping out of the top four, the Blazers are talking to the Wizards about acquiring the No. 5 pick. Pritchard has been on the hunt for a point guard, and Rubio would be a nice fit to round out the Blazers’ collection of young, unselfish talents.

from the top of this post (quote from Chad Ford)

Step 1)

This time the Wizards are shopping their pick while asking teams to take on Etan Thomas.’ salary.
source

Step 2) Offer Sac the 4th, 24th, and Sergio

by spencerbutte on Jun 22, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oops

Offer Sac the 4th 5th, 24th, and Sergio

by spencerbutte on Jun 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blair

It could actually happen, I am loving this.

Team Bayless - The takeover begins in 2009

by blazeraddict on Jun 22, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"has been"
Their main target has been Pittsburgh’s DeJuan Blair, a burly power forward who plays with a toughness the Blazers lack and coach Nate McMillan would appreciate.

However, Sunday night, there was talk Pritchard has even grander plans.

by spencerbutte on Jun 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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