2009 Blazersedge Mock Draft: Weekend Edition
by Dave on Jun 20, 2009 12:28 AM PDT
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Here is the weekend thread for our Mock Draft GM's to banter in. You are welcome to offer your opinion on proposed deals but be kind to the GM's involved.
Also since the collective Blazersedge readership is the Portland GM feel free to talk about prospective Portland deals with the GM's of the other 29 teams.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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ATTENTION ALL GM's
Washington GM here
I had a nifty idea for all us GM’s for the next 4 days.
I saved a picture of my team’s icon and am using it as my profile image. Just google search for your team logo, etc. etc.
It helps with idendifying what team you are talking to, yadi yadi yadi.
If people think this is stupid I will just go to my old image
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
Attention Dave
Norsktroll (Dallas GM) and I (NYK GM) have debated a possible trade but we need to know whether your rules for this Mock Draft would allow it.
We couldn’t technically complete the trade until after the new 2009 / 2010 salaries take effect (July 1st).
New York Knicks Get:
Jerry Stackhouse
Shawne Williams
Matt Carroll
Pick #22
Dallas Mavericks Get:
Eddy Curry
Jared Jeffries
Pick #8
So, I guess it’d be helpful if we knew whether the salaries have to match under the current set of numbers, or if, like in the actual draft, we can make deals based on next seasons (July 1st) numbers.
To clarify: There is a player option involved for Eddy Curry, but this is true for a number of players so it's of general interest
Eddy Curry has a Early Termination Option to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason. Of course he won’t use it (there are reports already confirming this), because nobody would give him another contract worth $10.5. and $11 million at the moment. But a player with such an option can’t be traded between the deadline and July 1st (according to the ESPN trade machine) respectively until he has exercised/declined the option (according to RealGM). Both trade machines currently block the deal.
Question to league office (Dave): Could such a deal still be done? Would we have to pick for each other in the mock and the deal gets through later? Etc.
ATTENTION: Dave
Question to league office (Dave): Could such a deal still be done? Would we have to pick for each other in the mock and the deal gets through later? Etc.
ATTN: Memphis GM this is the Clippers GM about trading for #2
I’ve been thinking more about the idea of including Thornton in a deal that would land me the #2 pick, and I’m starting to come around to the idea. To make the salaries work I believe there would have to be one more player involved, at least from your side. That player could be Haddadi or Millicic, in my mind. I would also love to get your second round pick as well.
Think about this:
Randolph
Thornton
for
Jaric
Buckner
Haddadi/Millicic
- and #36
Why on earth
would someone want to trade a GREAT asset like the #2 pick for a curse (Zach Randolph)?
Does anyone else get this?
It's simple Pritchard summed it up best
If you don’t ask you will never know what people will be willing to do.
Also some might argue 20 pt 10 reb players don’t grow on trees, bad apple or not.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 20, 2009 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions
It IS Chris Wallace, after all...
And in Memphis, it’s “Anything Can Happen” Day
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
The New York Knicks
are looking to unload Eddy Curry (10.5 million) and Jared Jeffries (6.5 million) contracts.
We are willing to move down from the #8 position a certain number of spots depending on how much of their salaries we can remove from our books.
We’d also be willing to compensate that team the maximum of 3 million dollars for this particular trade.
Unless the players offered are relatively talented young and cheap we’d prefer to attain expiring contracts in this deal.
If we’re not able to complete this type of deal, we’d offer any and all parts currently on the team to move up from #8 to #2 or #3 in this draft in order to acquire Ricky Rubio.
Knicks parts…
Pick #8, Larry Hughes, Eddy Curry, Al Harrington, Quentin Richardson, Jared Jeffries, Chris Duhon, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Mouhamed Sene, Joe Crawford, Chris Hunter
Carl Landry
Trade to Houston the draft pick and Steve Blake (who will need a point guard) for their first round pick next year and Carl Landy….he is a Blazer in waiting….we will be doing nothing with the salary cap next summer due to the signing of Roy and LA
Life is short, then you on life support, so in between in all Im'a say I seen it all, watch me.
Attn: Phoenix
How about an offer of:
#7
Jamal Crawford
Brandan Wright
Ronny Turiaf
For
Amare Stoudemire
#19
You have a similar problem as as11osu and I have above: Jamal Crawford has an early termination option to end his contract and become an unrestricted free agent (that he is highly unlikely to use) but which prevents trades to go through before July 1st. We hope Dave clarifies if deals involving players with such options can still be traded in this mock draft.
Phoenix GM Steve Kerr here
I am interested in this deal and potentially tweaking it, but I wonder if its beyond the parameters of this exercise— ie the biggest piece in the deal is Amare, not any draft pick. Also, the Phoenix Suns hold the 14th pick in this draft, not #19
Currently playing the role of Phoenix Suns GM Steve Kerr in the 2009 BlazersEdge Mock Draft.
actually, after reminding myself of the contracts involved (and realizing this doesn't help us dump much salary at all)
The Phoenix Suns decline this trade.
Currently playing the role of Phoenix Suns GM Steve Kerr in the 2009 BlazersEdge Mock Draft.
Attn: Milwaukee (TheOdenator) from Sacramento (GardenofOden)
I noticed that your team is cash strapped Would you be interested in dumping Richard Jefferson’s salary and the #10 in the draft I was wanting to catch some nice big man in the draft around #10. For a nice fourth year point guard Beno Udrich, we noticed one of your most pressing needs was point so we thought we could help you out, we will be replacing his role with a top 4 draft pick this year. Kenny Thomas (expiring contract) to make the deal work and save you that money. Also you would still be in the drafts first round with the 23 rd pick or if you would prefer the 31st the first pick in the second round which as you know is a coveted spot due to the lack of cap hold.
Summary
Milwaukee out Sacramento In
#10
Richard Jefferson 29 yrs old (salary saving move $14 2 yrs)
Sacramento out Milwaukee In
#23, or #31
Beno Udrich 26 yrs (5.5mil)
Kenny Thomas 32 yrs (8.6 mill expiring/last year)
Thanks for your time, TIm.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
Bucks GM Here.
Sorry about the taking so long to respond thing.
Money is an issue, but right now with Jefferson in his stride, what we need the money for is to get complimentary pieces for R Jeffs and the Redd Baron. We do feel that we are only a piece (and an injury free season) away from making the playoffs next year, which is a big goal of ours in Milwaukee. While we are interested in Beno Udrich, trading Richard Jefferson is not really on the table unless we are taking somebody else back at a similar talent level.
Currently the GM of the MILWAUKEE BUCKS!
ATTN: New Jersey GM from Cavs GM
So when you pull the trigger on this Vince Carter salary dump, nobody will be able to save you money like we can. Ben Wallace ($14.5M expiring who may opt to retire and who might very well accept a reduced buy-out) and Sasha Pavlovich ($4.5M expiring and only $1.5M is guaranteed). Seems like I’ve heard that there will be a few attractive FA’s available next off-season. It saves you big money this year and all of it is off the books by next year. VC is a nice player and I’m sure he’s hard to give up, but if you keep him what is the upside? Maybe a #7 seed and a first round exit outside of the lottery? It’s time to make a move to try to build a winner.
My question is whether you are going to want #30 when we do this deal? I’m not sure a 3 year guaranteed contract is what you are looking for with this trade. You might prefer a pick in next year’s draft instead. Let me know.
Is this trade worth the Cavs helping the Nets out?
52the rim writes:
Seems like I’ve heard that there will be a few attractive FA’s available next off-season. It saves you big money this year and all of it is off the books by next year.
But isn’t LeBron James is THE premier free agent available, and isn’t New Jersey a likely destination? This is a dangerous move making a trade that would make it all the more possible for the Nets to snag James next year, win or lose. I understand that the Cavs are desperate to build a championship team for LeBron this year, but they may be facilitating their own destruction with this trade.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
I love this
I want to want LeBron to stay in Cleveland. But I’m starting to care less and less. All it’s doing is giving me future reasons to dislike King James. Honestly I kind of in a sick way would love it if he moves to NJ because of this trade and then for NJ to never win a Championship.
The future best player to NEVER win a championship could be LeBron, and that would make it difficult to conquer the world as LeBron keeps saying he’d like to do (when it comes to making money long term that is)
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 20, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt Lebron ends up in New Jersey...
Would Kobe go to the Clippers just because they had cap space? New York will have cap space. New Jersey will still be in New Jersey. Lebron will end up a Knick or a Cav.
Regardless of what Lebron decides to do, my title window until Lebron re-signs is this year. All decisions made this off-season are to make us a better club this year. We add another scorer in Vinsanity and we have flexibility to go big.. to go small. I’m not sure can beat Orlando or Boston in the ECF or the Blazers in the Championship Series, but I’ll take my chances with this roster.
Wait a tick...
I thought New Jersey was going to be Brooklyn…
I wanna be Brandon Roy when I grow up!
There was a recent article (last week) saying the arena will be ready for 2010
but some of the related Brooklyn development is being delayed. The arena is mostly public money and committed.
ATTN: NOH GM
I am liking your pick for Chandler, lets do it.
Trade ID #5126436
NOH: Chandler
MEM: Jaric
Arthur
Pick #27
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
From Hornets ATTN: MEM and Rockets.
I like the deal but if i can get mcgrady out of rockets i will do that as it will save my team more money. And i also want Darko Milicic, Arthur, and the #27 pick not Jaric. But if we can work a three way trade with The rockets it will work too. In a 3 way trade Trade ID #5126657 i would send Peja Stojakovic To Rockets, Tyson Chandler to MEM, Tracy McGrady to Hornets, Kyle Lowry to Hornets, Darrell Arthur to Rcokets, Darko Milicic to Rockets, #27 Pick to Rockets. This works out for all teams as Rockets get in first round with a back up Center, and a replacement for Mcgrady while I get Mcgrady, Lowry and the Memphis gets Tyson Chandler for with using its #2 pick. IT works out for all. lets see what you guys think
by Arthur Schoene on Jun 20, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
From Memphis: ATTN NOH and HOU
I like this idea… Darko instead of Jaric works. So this is what it would look like
What each team is giving:
Memphis:
Darko
Darrel Arthur
#27
NOH:
Tyson Chandler
Peja
Houston:
Lowry
Mcgrady
Did I miss anything?
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
Attn: NOH From HOU
I would want Chandler more than Peja in the deal. I have to re-sign Artest, but would consider taking on Chandler and Peja, assuming both would be willing back-ups for Yao and Scola. I wouldn’t dive for it just yet, but if it is the best thing out there for both of us, it may be worth considering.
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
by supremepuntiff on Jun 20, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but the only way to get Mcgrady out of Houton
With his max contract is to inculded both Tyson and Peja. And you would be getting back into the first round with the grizzly pick. So yeah i dont know if you want both Peja and Chandler but the Griz are in if they can get just Chandler. You would be getting a back up, which Chandler is a starter in this league and gets paid like a starter. YOu would be far over the cap if you have both Chandler and Peja. That would hard. Now if you end up trading Yao somewhere else i could understand your who thinking.
by Arthur Schoene on Jun 20, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that what it would be!
I dont know if the Rockets GM will do it though as he wants Tyson Chandler as well.
by Arthur Schoene on Jun 20, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Short clarification from Dave in the last thread: No second round mock, but second round picks can be used for trades
No second round
You can acquire a pick in any way a normal GM could, with the proviso (of course) that all swaps will have to be cleared by the Draft Integrity Board in order to keep things sane.
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 20, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be clear
You can trade away or acquire second round picks in the process. Those are assets just like anything else. But we won’t be mock drafting the second round.
—Dave
Attn: Chicago GM, from Charlotte Shadow GM Michael Jordan
My numbers were a little off, forgot the 12 wasn’t worth nothin’ until Draft Day. How about instead we sign our restricted free agents, Ray Felton and Sean May, to one-year deals and send ’em your way for Hinrich and your picks? That would clear the most possible money off your books for 2010.
Crud
Okay, back to a modified Plan A. Raja Bell, Ajinca and $3 million cash.
Attenion Charlote From Chicago: Clarification
Before it was Bell, Adinca and #12, is the 3 million in lieu of the 12th pick, or on top of? While we are interested in this – Ajinca is certainly an intriguing player – we also like the potential of a Gerald Henderson, who we think is realistic to be available here.
by himynameisjoey on Jun 20, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Would swapping first-rounders be a possibility?
We have a couple of other roster slots to fill and this deal doesn’t leave us much flexibility.
Attn: Charlotte from Chicago
Yes, a swap of the first rounders would be acceptable as a part of this trade. To be frank though, there is also a deal on the table from New York that we like quite a bit, depending on who is available at the 8. Assuming one of the top teir SG prospects are there at the 8, it would likely be (as of now) the deal we would make. However, if say, Evans and Harden were off the board at 8, we’d probably have Henderson as our top guy at that point. We feel pretty confident that he will be around at the 12, and therefore, would be willing to make this deal in that case.
by himynameisjoey on Jun 20, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
And Attn Detroit GM Joe Dumars, from your old buddy MJ
See that ChiTown deal I just posted? Mull that over for Rip too.
what's up MJ?
I like that deal.
Bell, Adinca, 12, cash, for Rip?
or is there something I am missing
The new GM of the Detroit Pistons
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on Jun 20, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I know Henderson is a prime target of yours, so the 12 stays in
But we’d like the 15 in return. Possibly a 2010 first-rounder as well (say top-five protected?) depending on what other trade options we’ve got available.
i could throw in the 15
but im not sure about next year’s 1st rounder.
-Joe Dumars
The new GM of the Detroit Pistons
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on Jun 20, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn: Chicago GM [From Indiana]
I see a way we can help one another out and STILL allow you to move up in the draft-
You send Hinrich my way, along with your 2 1st round picks (#16 & #26) and I will send you Travis Diener (and his expiring contract) along with Tinsley and the #13
To clarify:
Chicago Out / Indiana In:
Kurt Hinrich
#16
#26
Indiana Out / Chicago In
Travis Diener (he’d love to exercise his player option to play for you!)
Jamaal Tinsley
#13
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
C'mon, Chicago...
Indiana don’t want Hinrich — they don’t even know the guy’s name…
Tampering...
in my trade negotiations? Doesn’t that automatically give me your 1st rounder? lol
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
Attn: Indiania [From Chicago]
We certainly like the versatility we are afforded in this position, and while I would like to make a few more ‘calls’ around the league before making my final move, this is one of the options highest on my list.
by himynameisjoey on Jun 20, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Attn: Chicago [From New York]
If that deal looks good to you I might be able to beat it.
I’d be willing to part with the #8 pick (a much more advantageous pick for what you’re looking for) and Eddy Curry (or Chris Duhon and Jared Jeffries if you needed to get a PG back) for that package (KH, #16, #26).
This would put you right in the heart of the SG value zone (Evans, Harden, DeRozan).
And this is where any "realism" goes into the toilet...
No other teams would EVER be privy to the negotiations of other teams…
I guess it’s the dark side of your desire to be transparent to the observers.
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
In real life Tinsley is worth next to nothing, you have to pay other teams to take him off your hands
Oh wait, it’s the same here ;-)
Tinsley is worth next to nothing in INDIANA
In Chicago, he would enjoy a resurgence and rededication unseen in the recent annals of Sport!
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
Marbury?
Don’t compare that thug to Mr. Jamaal Tinsley, a fine citizen and a gem of a human being. Marbury had the misfortune of being tainted by the stink of Isiah Thomas. Not even relevant to this discussion… :)
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
I dont think thats true
I’ve heard Pritchard say things like curtesy calls to other teams right before a deal is done. How else do you tihnk we got in on the Ike and Ruffin trade?
I bet Prtchard knows whats going on with most teams and who they are about to trade in most cases
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 20, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn: New York [From Chicago]
The 8 and the pairing of Duhon and Jeffries is the most preferred of the offers we’ve had so far for our first rounders and Kirk. While Curry might be able to help us solve the problem of a lack of post scoring, we feel his contract is a bit too large given his production (there is no way he doesn’t pick up both of those player options). Duhon and Jefferies don’t quite have the same potential for improving us directly on the court, but the 5 million less in salary, and 6 million off the cap after this year make them far preferable.
If Evans (or by some miracle, Harden) is there at 8, there is no reason for us not to make this deal. Even if the both of aforementioned are gone, we’d still likely make this move provided Henderson was on the board.
I would still like a couple of days to see what other teams might offer, but as it stands right now, this is an deal I am willing to go with.
by himynameisjoey on Jun 20, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn: Chicago [From New York]
This would be the New York Knicks #1 option as well.
The trade would look like this…
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5127894
Chicago Receives:
Chris Duhon
Jared Jeffries
Pick #8
$3 Million
New York Receives:
Kirk Hinrich
Pick #16
Pick #26
I’d like to agree to a trade by the end of the day tomorrow at the latest. If you’re ready to make this deal please get back to me by tomorrow and we can send it in to Dave.
To Orlando GM
I would also love a Brand/Lewis swap if this weren’t just the draft. I’m suck in that in between zone where the 17th pick would be too much but I don’t have a second round pick to offer at the moment. Would you be interested in the 17th pick for Alston and Courtney Lee?
Not sure why ORL would give up Lee for #17. I think Lee’s worth more than that. ORL can find another taker for Alston.
I want to put points on your face!
by rudydrops3s on Jun 20, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Answering As Orlando GM
Two thoughts on that:
I don’t think it would be legal to swap those salaries for a pick due to the cap issues.
Courtney Lee is already better than every player outside the top 3.
The Brand/Lewis swap only makes sense in every single universe except our own, so it will never happen even though both teams get better.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
To Kings GM or anyone with high 2nd rounder
I’m trying to acquire a 2nd round pick Would you be interested in moving up to my 17th pick for your 23 and 31?
Speaking on behalf of Portland, I think we might be interested in moving up to 17
in exchange for 24 & our first 2nd round pick (thinking it might be 33), but only if Tyler Hansborough or Lawson is available at your pick
If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Jun 20, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To Portland GMs from Philly
If Hansborough falls I’d be willing to do this and perhaps for Lawson, but I have some interest in him as well. It would depend if I can fill my need at point guard another way. Let me know how the other Portland GMs feel about this.
by terryisntbald on Jun 20, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like there a couple teams in the 13-16 range interested in Tyler...
…and I think Lawson might still be available at 24… But it’s an interesting idea.
We'll probably be willing to throw in Sergio, too, if Lawson is available.
If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Jun 20, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTN: Philly (terryisn'tbald) from Kings
I would be interested if the right player slips. I don’t want to get into specifics at this point. Right now I am fine with sitting on my picks until later.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 20, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn: Warriors GM from Bobcats Shadow GM Michael Jordan
Any interest in moving Jamal Crawford?
I’m not the GS GM, but I imagine he is VERY open to moving Jamal Crawford given Nelly’s comments.
You’ll run into a problem with Crawford’s ETO, though. It makes him unable to be traded on draft night.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 20, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
ATTN: MJ
im proceeding on the assumption that we can do the deal anyway. Many draft-day trades (including Roy-for-Foye) don’t become official until July 1.
Proposal:
Crawford
Wright
#7
For:
Wallace
Augustine
#12
Definitely looking for best talent
as we think we can make a playoff push next season…
I’m not entirely opposed to giving up Wallace, but I’m a bit skeevy about losing Augustine. I view Crawford as more of a 2 playing alongside Augustine and don’t have any backup for him.
How would you feel about dropping Augustine from the trade, or maybe adding C.J. Watson to it?
I’d be fine with adding Watson. Not ready to commit yet as the draft is still a ways off but as of now this is the fairest offer ie gotten for #7 so far.
I now see the Bobcats have committed to Felton
So I no longer would need Watson and would prefer to cut Augustin from the trade. Maybe could throw in #40? Cash?
Attn: Phoenix GM from Charlotte Bobcats Shadow GM Michael Jordan
Would you be interested in swapping Barbosa and the 16 for Raja Bell, whose salary comes off the books after this season?
Raja can't be traded back to PHX
until it’s been a year since PHX traded him out.
I want to put points on your face!
by rudydrops3s on Jun 20, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn Minnesota: [from Utah]
Where are we at on this deal?
Can I begin dreaming of lineups with Ashton Kutcher and Mike Miller?
-—————————————————————————————-
Counter-counter offer:
Mike Miller
#18
#28
for
Ronnie Brewer
Matt Harping
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 20, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
[From Minnesota] Looking to move up with our #18 pick
We have expiring contracts to offer as well as the #18.
The Knicks would love to oblige
Jared Jeffries, Eddy Curry, pick #8 and 3 million dollars
for
Pick #18 and between 13.6 and 21.2 million dollars of expiring contracts.
Because Eddy Curry has a player option, he cannot be traded
No matter how obvious it is that he is going to accept it.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
[From Minnesota] Attention Philly GM
To Philadelphia:
Brian Cardinal (expiring)
Mark Madsen (expiring)
Sebastian Telfair (has PO for 2010-2011)
#28
To Minnesota:
Samuel Dalembert
#17
We need a starting center. You need to get rid of Dalembert’s bad contract. Sam needs a change of scenery, and we’re a lot closer to his native Canada. Anyway, something to chew on.
And chew I shall
Like everyone on here I’m channeling my inner KP so I don’t want to commit to anything with the draft still a few days off, but I do like the look of that trade.
by terryisntbald on Jun 20, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Blazers/Grizzlies/Magic Trade Proposal
Portland Receives:
Michael Conley Jr(Memphis)
Mikael Pietrus(Orlando)
Darko Milicic(Memphis)
Memphis 2010 1st round pick(Protected Top 3?)
Memphis Receives:
Rudy Fernandez(Portland)
Raefer Alston(Orland)
Jerryd Bayless(Portland)
Tony Battie(Orlando)
Fran Vasquez(Rights from Orlando)
Joel Freeland(Rights from Portland)
Orlando Receives:
Steve Blake(Portland)
Travis Outlaw(Portland)
Martell Webster(Portland)
Greg Buckner(Memphis)
Petteri Koponen(Rights from Portland)
Sergio Rodriguez(Portland)
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5126825
Thoughts?
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
that is a rather large deal
The new GM of the Detroit Pistons
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on Jun 20, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
They are rare
http://www.nba.com/history/largest_trades_030819.html
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Does that one pick thrown in ther qualify this as a Mock Draft deal?
… I wouldn’t support that deal by the way… too big of a shake up too early in the teams development.
Yes.
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking for Portland, I vote no
If this deal comes to a vote.
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Jun 20, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking for Portland
Is there any way we could also include a swap of Love for Oden too.
Okay seriouly now, that is not considered tweaking on Portlands part. That is a major overhaul which is a no go.
From Portland's side, I'd rather not do that deal
If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Jun 20, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would Portland EVER pull the trigger on that deal???
that’s just CRAZY talk! lol
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
Doesn't really make sense for any of the teams involved
I like Conley and Pietrus as much as the next guy, but trading over half the team for them is a little much.
For the Grizzlies, their main need is at PF, and virtually every guy they receive in the deal is in the back court, which is where their two biggest pieces are (Rubio and Mayo, assuming they take Rubio). Tony Battie and Vazquez are basically worthless right now, so getting Bayless, Rafer, and Rudy all in the deal isn’t especially useful to them.
For Orlando, they’re pretty set at PG with Jameer and a serviceable backup in Anthony Johnson, so getting two PGs in the deal doesn’t help them, even if they do just cut Blake. What they could really use is a backup big to replace Gortat (assuming he walks), and while Martell could presumably replace Pietrus’s role (if somewhat less of a sure thing due to the injury), but with Hedo and Shard both around, minutes will be limited for Travis there, so it’s some needless shuffling around on their part, with the only advantage being able to clear some space off their books with Blake, Outlaw, and Bucker all not completely guaranteed next year.
"Half the team"
Rudy & Outlaw are replaced by Pietrus. Who can backup both the 2 & 3 effectively because of his defense(Better then both Rudy & Outlaw), having an expiring contract in Milicic & an asset like a guaranteed top 3 pick puts you in a lot of big trade talk. Draft Beaubois with the 24th pick & Taj Gibson with our first 2nd round pick. Sign McDyess. Enjoy Pietrus being the next Robert Horry/James Posey.
Conley/Beaubois
Roy/Pietrus/Harris
Batum/Pietrus/Gibson
Aldridge/McDyess/Gibson
Oden/Przybilla
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 21, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Still voting no.
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- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Jun 21, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
The combined MPG of the guys being traded
is roughly 100 (a little more than that, actually). Of course, that’s skewed by some guys not playing every game (mainly Blake, Sergio, and Jerryd), but it’s still a valid ball park figure. Your proposed lineup is relying on contributions for guys who are either definite second rounders: Harris and Gibson, and one guy who’s a fringe second rounder: Beaubois, and a FA who is a gamble. If we have zero wing depth, as this proposal would force, we wouldn’t be able to slide Roy down to PG, so we’d be relying on Beaubois to immediately come in and give 10+ mpg. I haven’t seen any scouting report that really says he’s ready to do that.
Besides, with only three effective wing players, you’re relying on Harris being able to chip in 12 or so mpg, which is also up in the air. There is no way, shape, or form that Gibson could play any SF minutes, so Harris would have to fill all of these minutes. Regardless, it’s still relying on Nic essentially doubling his minutes.
And this is all assuming we can draft these guys. Basically, even if we knew for sure that we could get these guys, this move would still force us to have late first round/early second round rookies playing at least 20 mpg, with absolutely no depth behind them. What happens if Conley goes down for 13 games like Blake did? Can Beaubois and an unnamed backup really cover all our PG minutes? We couldn’t really afford to lose either of our wings for any amount of time, either. Basically, a single injury completely derails that team.
Hence, even aside from the fact that it makes no sense for Memphis or Orlando, no deal.
Nope.....,
Giving up WAY too much scoring.
by antediluvian on Jun 22, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking for Portland
No thank you
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 20, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
no
sorry
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"Nice Signature" - Claire
Attn: OKC Thunder from Mavericks - Any interest to move Earl Watson and #25?
We are looking for another pick late in the first round, and since you have multiple picks you would be a natural candidate. It has been rumored that you are looking for a taker to veteran Earl Watson (30) since he doesn’t get as much playing time behind Westbrook and your other guards anymore. Now you also have signed PG Shaun Livingston which is a very interesting high risk high reward project, congrats to that. But while he will need some minutes to get back to form he is nobody you can bank your future on with his injury history, and while a good passer he is nobody the opposing team needs to closely guard.
So in turn we would be willing to give up fan favorite and Blazers killer PG/SG JJ Barea (24) who provides a great scoring spark off the bench (nicknamed “Puerto Rican AI” by Dirk Nowitzki); and since he is in BYC to match salaries in a package together with shooting specialist SG Matt Carroll (28) who we didn’t have much playing time for last season but who played very well in Charlotte. We would assume both can flourish in your fairly fast-paced young team. A to be negotiated amount of cash, and e.g. draft rights to unsigned prospect Renaldas Seibutis (6,6’’ SG, U21 world champion with Lithuania 2005, 50th pick 2007 draft, currently stashed in Spain) could be included, or preferably a swap with your unsigned draft pick Yotam Halperin (Israel, 56th pick 2006).
Player comparison Barea – Watson http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=rc5IY
Notice Barea’s age and significant advantage in PER and scoring totals and efficiency (TS%, FG%, 3P%)
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5126769
I have to note that we are also in discussion with other teams where these players might be needed, but as stated we would be interested to acquire a second pick.
Addendum: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5126851 trade with swap of unsigned draft picks
Presti here
I am going to have to pass. Looking to move Watson only serves us if we dont take large amounts of money back. Barea and Carroll have pretty brutal contracts.
Here is a suggestion, and I do not guarantee I will take it yet.
Stackhouse and Barea and a future first (lottery protected), for Earl Watson, and your choice of Damien Wilkens/Chucky Atkins, and #25..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
axe that
have to take atkins, wilkins has an ETO.
Barea’s contract is tolerable if i have a big expiring
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Barea is very cheap at $1,657,500 and $1,815,000, and his last year is a team option. I thought you would be more excited to get him to provide scoring and passing in your second unit. He can also defend quick point guards (that’s no longer Jason Kidd’s job in Dallas). You have to give a little, get a little, make your poor heart break a little, …
For Stackhouse and Barea I would expect at least the draft rights to unsigned pick Serge Ibaka back in the deal.
I dont have a whole lotta faith in Barea. he torched the Blazers but not really anyone else...
Carrolls contract is terrible, and as we all know, my owner got ripped in the market so that extra cash will make me think about it. I will consider this deal..
lets reconvene this thought on Monday.. I need to figure out if I will need that second pick
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
FROM OKC ATTN Philly
Did you happen to read over my trade proposal yesterday? Is it something you would consider? Please advise.
Presti Out
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
To OKC from Philly
On draft night if Rubio is available at 3 I’ll strongly consider it. Would be be interested in replacing Thabo Seloshafa and Shaun Livingston in that deal with Earl Watson? Then it would be
OKC out/Phi in:
Nick Collison
Earl Watson
- pick
Phi out/OKC in:
Andre Iguodala
- pick
If the contracts from your side is too much you could also replace Collison with Nenad Krstic. For some reason right now the trade machine isn’t working for me. It only lets me do 3 team trades.
by terryisntbald on Jun 20, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
correction
That should say you giving me the third pick and me giving your the seventeenth.
by terryisntbald on Jun 20, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Iggy
But if he’s on OKC, where’s he playing? SG? Is Durant playing SG? Is Jeff Green going to be a back-up PF, so Iggy can play PF? I don’t get it.
I want to put points on your face!
I would happily give you Watson over Thabo and Shaun
I figured you would want them because they are better, however if you are looking to shed salary, Watson does have only one year left on the deal, so that would make sense.
Grizzlies GM apparently has no interest in Thabeet or anyone other than trading for Rubio. However if Rubio somehow is still there (since he wont play in Mem) we can discuss this trade further. I will have to include my trade exception to make the deal work as Iggy is a BYC.. theres a 2 mil gap and I have a 1.9 trade exception
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
don’t trade OKC Iggy for the third pick. He’s a top 15 NBA player by +/- and potentially the NBA’s best wing defender/slasher. He would be INCREDIBLE next to Durant.
proud hinrichsheeple
hence why i would give up Rubio for him
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, you’re the OKC GM. Never mind, I had it backwards.
Yeah, if you get Iggy in OKC… ugh. That would be incredible.
proud hinrichsheeple
right but remember
neither of us really cares about the Blazers in this exercise..iggy matches up good with brandon but in this exercise I am only supposed to care about OKC and Terryisntbald only cares about Philly..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
you are right
Iggy is Philly’s star player. no way they give him up for an unproven Euro…
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
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I would say Elton is their star player.. they pay him like it.
but yes, it depends on if they want Rubio as their pg of the future. they have Young to at least cover some of Iggys stats
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 21, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTN: Phoenix GM.
Would you be willing to send Sweet Lou Amundson to the Blazers for a second round pick? You have a team option for about a million bucks.
proud hinrichsheeple
Attn: Hornets and Nets From: Rockets
Hornets: I’m interested in Peja, but Chandler is the main piece for me. I need a dependable big. The draft would be for a couple years down the line.
Nets: Would you be interested in McGrady for Carter/Hassell/Boone and a 2nd rounder? It’s a lot of players from your end, but it’s needed to make the salaries match.
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
Like i said i would need to put Peja and Chandler and #21 in the deal to make it work
But i am alright with it if i get Mcgrady, lowary, Landry back
by Arthur Schoene on Jun 20, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTN Portland GMS (From Memphis)
I am looking at Drafting Rubio,
Would you be open to Conley Jr and Haddadi for Joel Pryzbilla?
Trade ID #5126995 (RealGm)
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
This should be a "yes" from the Blazers perspective
21 year old PG of the future (with every skill covered) for our soon to be backup 30 year old C. We can then use our cap space on a PF/C combo type and maybe even keep Outlaw as a cross SF/PF. It you aren’t down with that option you can also then use either Bayless or Blake and Outlaw/Webster to get a big to finish the team off.
Conley / Roy / Batum / Aldridge / Oden – is a deadly 5 man unit right now, and would be absolutely dynamic as they all grow together.
Throw in a second unit that looks like this Blake / Rudy / Webster / Blair-Bass-Gibson-Freeland / Chris Anderson-Varejao-Bryant? and I think you’re looking dynasty square in the eye.
Cap space for Gortat in that situation
almost a no-brainer.
It says he's restricted
although if they re-up Hedo, matching an MLE to Gortat would end up costing them close to 12 million a year. I doubt they’d do that.
I would say from portland
that they would take that in a heartbeat.. thats a freaking STEAL for portland
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be open to it.
If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Jun 20, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Would it make sense to thrown in Sergio and ask for a future pick?..
I know it only frees up 1.6 million but he needs to go anyway…if not, as much as I love the Gorilla… That sounds like a deal we might have to do. (Hope Greg stays healthy)
Have to vote yes on this too
we’ll miss ya Gorilla
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
I Would Do it
Maybe add a 2nd rounder & we throw in Sergio ;)
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
They didn't ask
for a 2nd rounder and Sergio. We don’t add assets if they didn’t ask. We can use them elsewhere.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
No
Bayless > Conley Jr and trading Pryzbilla is unacceptable.
by tominhawaii on Jun 21, 2009 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with TIH
Never trade big for small…and do we really need a 4th PG. Are we magically going to swap some combintation of bayless blake or sergio for a backup center? i don’t see how this helps portland as it makes them desperate for another trade (and more likey to re-up Frye to play behind Oden as he might be the best option available).
Bayless > Conley Jr?
That is pure unadulterated crazy talk.
21 year old starting PG of the future Conley Jr > 30 year old backup center Joel Przybilla.
It’d never be offered, but if it were you would be stupid not to take it. Przybilla can walk after this year, whereas you can keep Conley Jr for 3 more years AND have rights to match any offer to him afterwards.
Conley > Bayless - agreed (at least currently)
But once you throw Przy into the mix, this becomes too pricey for the Blazers. Where do you honestly think we would have finished last season w/o the Gorilla???
Nope
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
If we were grading these players based on last season
it’d be slightly in Joel’s favor. However, that isn’t what we’re debating. It’s basically the next 7-8 years of Conley’s career versus 2 or 3 more of Przy’s career (he can opt out after next year). Conley we’d have for 2 more years for sure, and we’d have the right to match all offers meaning we’d have him for his next 5 or 6 year deal on top of that. Conley Jr from age 22-30 is more valuable than Joel from age 30-32, which is just a plain no contest when you look at value. At that point you can also turn Bayless into value. Bayless could probably get you Brandon Bass and Dallas’ #22 pick. You then use your MLE on Gortat, Chris Anderson, Anderson Varejao, or some like center.
From an overall value standpoint, this trade would be a slam dunk for Portland (getting Conley).
People seem to be nearsighted on this issue. Joel just finished what will end up being the best year of his career. Conley Jr will be among the best 10-20 point guards (at worst) in the league for the next 10 years.
Windows of opportunity
We drop Joel in a trade for next season, what happens to our record w/o a backup 5 (or starting 5, depending on the health, effectiveness of Oden)? We miss the playoffs and suddenly we lose opportunities to bring in 2nd tier free agents (forget about 1st tier completely). Roy and Aldridge start to lose interest, etc… We need to remain competitive no matter which moves we make and I fear that losing Przy w/o getting another solid big man to back the post will hamstring us – too thin at center. Our only hope at that point would be to pull Gortat in, and you know that there are a number of teams that are going gunnin’ for him.
Birdman and The Venezuelan Flopper aren’t centers.
Not saying I necessarily disagree with your overall assessment, but we’d need to have other pieces in place before signing off on this move…
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
If Oden isn't an NBA quality center
we might as well stop talking about Championships. Losing Joel’s 23 minutes at center for 36 minutes of Conley at point guard makes us better next year. After that, the ball is even further on Conley’s side as Joel gets older and Conley gets into his prime.
There are plenty of players capable of playing 15 minutes at center. Get one of those guys (Anderson, Varejao, Gortat etc) AND Brandon Bass (who played 13 minutes per game at center himself last year), and you’re not going to be in too much trouble, if any (with Oden’s improvement – another Conley factor).
I understand a lot of people on this board overrate Blazer players, but from a purely unbiased perspective this is a no-brainer. Conley is the far and away better value, and better fit for the future of this team.
By the numbers:
1. If Oden isn’t an NBA quality center we might as well stop talking about Championships.
The Los Angeles Lakers just won a world championship with their young Human Foul Machine, Andrew Bynum averaging less than 20 minutes and doing pretty little throughout the entire playoffs.
2. Losing Joel’s 23 minutes at center for 36 minutes of Conley at point guard makes us better next year.
A. The teams built around world class PGs (Hornets – Paul, Jazz – Williams) were quickly eliminated from the playoffs. The Lakers, with a PG averaging 2.2 assists throughout the playoffs and only a C- or D+ perimeter defender, won it all. Conclusio: PG is the most overrated position in the NBA.
B. Przybilla played an average of 27 minutes in the playoffs.
C. Comparing a defensive Center’s minutes to an offensive PG’s minutes is like comparing the weight of an apple to the taste of an orange.
3. There are plenty of players capable of playing 15 minutes at center.
Including Greg Oden. So what are you going to do for the other 28 minutes after he plays his 20 and gets in foul trouble?
4. Get one of those guys (Anderson, Varejao, Gortat etc) AND Brandon Bass (who played 13 minutes per game at center himself last year),
Brandon Bass didn’t play 5 minutes at Center last year. He’s a PF, plain and simple.
5. with Oden’s improvement – another Conley factor
Non sequitir. The two have never played together in the NBA, it is completely theoretical to assume that there will be some magical connection between the two at that level. I could with as much proof say that if only we had Hinrich, a magical unity would be forged between him and Oden; or if we drafted Collison, he and LMA would be a duo for the ages. No proof whatsoever that having a PG with Conley on the back of his jersey will make Oden stop fouling or make him less awkward with the ball or teach him a go-to scoring move at the post…
6. I understand a lot of people on this board overrate Blazer players, but from a purely unbiased perspective this is a no-brainer.
Everyone has bias. Every. One. Everyone. All persons. Each and every individual. All.
7. Conley is the far and away better value, and better fit for the future of this team.
See what I mean???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
If I see this argument about PGs losing in the playoffs again, I'm going to go insane
This year was an anomaly, not the rule.
In 2008: Billups, Parker, Rondo in the CFs; Paul, Williams, Nelson also make the second round. 3/4’s of the teams that won a series had a current or future all star PG.
In 2007: Billups, Williams, Parker in the CFs; Kidd, Nash, Baron also make the second round. 3/4’s of the teams that won a series had an all star or future all star PG.
In 2006: Billups, Nash, Harris (admittedly not “Devin Harris” yet) in the CFs; Kidd, Parker, Cassell also make the second round. Counting Harris, 3/4’s of the teams that won a series had an all star or future all star PG.
In 2005: Billups, Nash, Parker make the CFs; Arenas also makes the second round (Harris, too, but that’s a stretch). 50% of the teams that won a series had an all star PG.
In 2004: Billups and Cassell make the CFs: Kidd and Parker also make the second round (Bibby not an all star). 50% of the teams that won a series had an all star PG.
Given the small number of all star PGs out there, and they’re disproportionate success in recent years, I’d say that, yeah, they’re pretty important to win in the playoffs. You can’t win titles if you can’t get out of the first couple rounds, and recent history has shown that they’re extremely important to winning those early series.
And as far as the “Bynum played center” argument for the Lakers this year, give me a break. With Bynum out, they had one of the top three centers in the game who could slide over and play it (Gasol). Are you really going to claim with a straight face that Aldridge/Przybila is or could ever be even half as effective as Gasol/Odom?
I wrote
2. Losing Joel’s 23 minutes at center for 36 minutes of Conley at point guard makes us better next year.
timbo wrote
A. The teams built around world class PGs (Hornets – Paul, Jazz – Williams) were quickly eliminated from the playoffs. The Lakers, with a PG averaging 2.2 assists throughout the playoffs and only a C- or D+ perimeter defender, won it all. Conclusion: PG is the most overrated position in the NBA.Quick was preceded by…
timbo wrote
The Los Angeles Lakers just won a world championship with their young Human Foul Machine, Andrew Bynum averaging less than 20 minutes and doing pretty little throughout the entire playoffs.So I guess having a decent starting center is just as meaningless as having a decent point guard right? I mean, that’s what you’ve just proven. Do we want a starting point guard for 5-10 years or a backup center for 2 years? If the positions mean so little that is, wouldn’t you always opt for the better younger player? This is pretty simple.
timbo wrote
B. Przybilla played an average of 27 minutes in the playoffs.Przybilla stunk in the playoffs. It could’ve been 40 minutes, we were worse by far with him than Oden in games. http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/0809POR.HTM
timbo wrote
C. Comparing a defensive Center’s minutes to an offensive PG’s minutes is like comparing the weight of an apple to the taste of an orange.Conley is a good defender and a very good and versatile offensive player. He brings everything we need from the position already. Przybilla is an aging center that will see greatly reduced minutes in the not so distant future. One has much more value than the other, however many apples or oranges or whatever you want to put it as. Conley’s future >>> Przybilla’s future
I wrote
3. There are plenty of players capable of playing 15 minutes at center.
timbo wrote
Including Greg Oden. So what are you going to do for the other 28 minutes after he plays his 20 and gets in foul trouble?Oden will see 25-30 minutes per game this year just through natural progression. His foul trouble had much to do with perimeter defense and lack of conditioning, both things will be less significant factors, especially if we have Conley instead of Blake at point guard.
i wrote
4. Get one of those guys (Anderson, Varejao, Gortat etc) AND Brandon Bass (who played 13 minutes per game at center himself last year),
timbo wrote
Brandon Bass didn’t play 5 minutes at Center last year. He’s a PF, plain and simple.Last year Brandon Bass saw over 13 minutes per game at Center in both the regular season and the playoffs.
http://www.82games.com/0809/08DAL13.HTM#bypos
http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/08DAL10.HTM#bypos
In those minutes he drastically outperformed his competition at the position (+6 and +9 PER differentials and +6 and +7 point differentials per 48 minutes while at the position).
I wrote
5. with Oden’s improvement – another Conley factor
timbo wrote
Non sequitir. The two have never played together in the NBA, it is completely theoretical to assume that there will be some magical connection between the two at that level. I could with as much proof say that if only we had Hinrich, a magical unity would be forged between him and Oden; or if we drafted Collison, he and LMA would be a duo for the ages. No proof whatsoever that having a PG with Conley on the back of his jersey will make Oden stop fouling or make him less awkward with the ball or teach him a go-to scoring move at the postIt doesn’t have to be some magical conncection. Przybilla in the long term won’t be playing with any of these players (Roy, Batum, Aldridge or Oden). Conley Jr would be. He’d be on the court for much longer and would have an impact. His game also fits perfectly with those 4 players I just mentioned. He’s a great penetrator, shooter, and passer and is a very good defender versus quick point guards, something no one else on this team can claim to be. Also, it’d be silly to throw out many many years of playing together as chemistry. Those of us that play basketball know that when you go out and play with a certain guy time and again, you know where that player will be, and what they’re looking to do. Even though I admit this is a small factor, it is there. One only needs to look at the connection Sergio and Rudy had this year as an example.
Timbo
Non sequitir. The two have never played together in the NBA, it is completely theoretical to assume that there will be some magical connection between the two at that level.
Have you ever played basketball in your life time? Previous playing experience helps & that has been proven throughout NBA history. There is a reason that Sergio & Rudy play well together on the court. There is a reason that Vlade Divac & Peja played well together in Sacramento, there is a reason that KC Jones & Bill Russell won a championship together.
A. The teams built around world class PGs (Hornets – Paul, Jazz – Williams) were quickly eliminated from the playoffs. The Lakers, with a PG averaging 2.2 assists throughout the playoffs and only a C- or D+ perimeter defender, won it all. Conclusio: PG is the most overrated position in the NBA.
If you factor out each championship the Bulls/Lakers won with the Triangle Offense(No need for a great PG) then you have a list of elite PG’s. Comparing the Triangle to Nate’s system is ignorant.
A happy Oden, is an Oden that wants to improve. That is all.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 21, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, no.
Have you ever played basketball in your life time?
Comparing the Triangle to Nate’s system is ignorant.
You can either change the players to fit the pre-designed offense or alter the offense to suit the strengths of the players you have.
Rex is a penetrator. Pick and pop’s days are (mercifully) limited if he is truly PGoF.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Sergio and Rudy never played together on a league team, just occasionally for select teams
To put it drastically, the Mavericks won’t sign Jan Jagla or Steffen Hamann just because he played with them for a decade on various national teams.
Just wait till the Damp-Kaman trade happens
now that he’s “officially” German.
Ha ha, Mav fans would trade Damp for the late Wilt Chamberlin if they could get it to work under the trade machine...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
BTW, Norskie, can you do a sign-and-trade with a dead guy?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It's actually not a terrible trade for either team
Clippers need to clear some front court space and would get out of some long term salary commitments, Mavs need a guy who can actually play in the paint, even if Kaman isn’t exactly a big time defender. I could see there being better trades out there for EDEC, but they could certainly do worse than that.
So I guess having a decent starting center is just as meaningless as having a decent point guard right?
No, the point is the Lakers found a way to get it done in the paint WITHOUT the human foul machine youngster — which is EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION THE BLAZERS WILL FIND THEMSELVES IN.
Oden is not going miraculously become soft afoot or develop killer post moves if his high school pal (and his agent’s son) falls from the clouds. He’s gonna be the same guy, on the same slow, arduous path of development as Bynum and (to a lesser extent) Howard…
Przybilla stunk in the playoffs.
We differ. Yao Ming is one of the top Centers in the league, if not THE top Center in the league, and Przybilla did a very okay job on him. Not fronting in Game 1 ultimately was a horrifiic decision, but that’s a call that’s on the bench, not on Pryz.
Conley is a good defender and a very good and versatile offensive player. He brings everything we need from the position already.
From all indications, KP is relatively satisfied with what he has perking at the PG spot already. The echo chamber that is sports journalism on the internet insists the Blazers are looking to upgrade the PG spot, but KP has more or less signaled that Blake is his guy and Bayless is PGoF.
Obviously, if he can get Conley for Travis more or less straight up, all bets are off. But I doubt very seriously that KP is dumb enough to violate the NBA axiom that “you don’t trade bigs for smalls.” Competent bigs are RARE commodities, which is why they are paid so much… A person may feel that Pryz is not a “competent big,” but please don’t pretend this is anything close to a majority view among Blazer fans. Pryz was, after Roy and LMA, the most valuable piece on the 2008-09 PTB team. Feel free to poll the question if you don’t believe me.
Oden will see 25-30 minutes per game this year just through natural progression.
I called 25 minutes due to foul trouble last season and he came in at 21.5 minutes due to foul trouble. In the coming year I am calling 25 minutes a game due to foul trouble and we shall see.
We agree that he is basically a half-time player and there needs to be another half-time player.
Last year Brandon Bass saw over 13 minutes per game at Center in both the regular season and the playoffs.
I differ. I don’t care what a person can read, I can only relate what I saw. Brandon Bass did NOT play Center for the Mavericks for anything more than spot minutes. The Mavericks are a weird team in that they have a 7’0" freak of nature, the Large German Man. LGM often played de facto Center on the defensive end and was more or less a shooting guard on the offensive end. If you look at the official records on the internet, it will show him as a Power Forward. Whatever. I know what I saw…
We’re basically arguing about whether Star Trek Next Gen is better or worse than Battlestar Galactica here, since there is no mathematical chance that KP is going to be dealing Pryz for ANY Point Guard, let alone a B+ player like Mike Conley.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
PG
No, the point is the Lakers found a way to get it done in the paint WITHOUT the human foul machine youngster — which is EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION THE BLAZERS WILL FIND THEMSELVES IN.
Oden is not going miraculously become soft afoot or develop killer post moves if his high school pal (and his agent’s son) falls from the clouds. He’s gonna be the same guy, on the same slow, arduous path of development as Bynum and (to a lesser extent) Howard…
Put yourself in Oden’s shoes. You have been getting criticized through the media. You are living far away from home. If you are happy, you will want to improve. If you are not, you are more likely to end up like Mickael Olowakandi. Conley & Oden will push each other to be the best they can be. Oden will be happy if Conley comes & if Oden is happy, he will want to improve more then if he was say, depressed.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 21, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Lakers
You are referencing Bynum, but don’t both to discuss that Pau Gasol can play & dominate both the 4 and the 5, Blazers don’t have someone like that. Blazers don’t have a Lamar Odom either, who can shift from the 3-4 effectively.
You mention Bynum, but don’t bother talking about how they did it without much from him & that the Blazers don’t have that kind of corresponding talent to “get it done” without Oden.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 21, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That's actually something that I think my observation implies: for the Blazers to win a championship, LMA will have to up his game, whether or not Oden ups his...
You are referencing Bynum, but don’t both to discuss that Pau Gasol can play & dominate both the 4 and the 5, Blazers don’t have someone like that.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 21, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
REc for LMA
If he dominates and Oden plays better then Bynum this team will make the finals every year Yao doesn’t play them.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 21, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be a beautiful thing for Yao to go play for some Eastern Conference team, for sure.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
there is no mathematical chance that KP is going to be dealing Pryz for ANY Point Guard, let alone a B+ player like Mike Conley.
That’s true from their side. It wouldn’t make sense for them to ask for Przybilla given what we have and what they have. That said, if it were a possibility, it’s one you have to jump on.
Conley gives you a dynamic 5 man unit that you can use 20-25 minutes per game for the next 5+ years (Conley, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Oden). I think a lot of people are being nearsighted, looking at only this year and next year. This team, considereing Oden’s (and the rest of our youngsters) development we might not even be fighting for Championships in that time frame. The playoffs got people excited, but watching what happened in those playoffs should at least temper peoples expectations for next year. Przybilla will be 32 years old when we’re really starting to cook, and I’d take a 24 or 25 year old Mike Conley in his prime time after time after time given what we know about player development and player decline regarding age.
Also, we definitely disagree about Przybilla in the playoffs. He got DESTROYED throughout the series. Oden was very good defensively out there giving up 25 eFG% and 11 points per 48 to opposing centers while Przy gave up 71% eFG% and 22 points per 48 to opposing centers. Ideally Oden gets 30 minutes per game next year and Joel gets 18. You have to factor that in to the discussion as well. In the playoffs you want an even further slide towards your better players. That is why upgrading the PG position is so valuable. You’re getting a much better player out on the court for 36 minutes per game.
Selling on Pryz is high right now.
We may need him a lot next year he may need him only in spots. If Oden improves I would have to believe he would then I say trade for Conley before Priz loses his value playing even further back
Best case senario Pryz has a bad year trying to adjust and we get him back in 1 or 2 to play backup.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 21, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I would do a Joel for those two deal, but as said before we have no way of knowing how high the Blazers value Bayless vs. Conley
You value Conley very highly. There are reports the Blazers value Bayless very highly. KP & Co. last year weren’t even willing to offer more than Travis and Sergio according to media reports, for a package that also included more than just Conley coming back from Memphis (Crittenton, Warrick). Neither side wanted to do a straight Conley for Outlaw deal (which allegedly was discussed twice). This package looks like a very nice deal for the Blazers if you ask me, but at that time a number of fans screamed no and the teams did nothing. In the meantime Memphis has shipped out Crittenton and Lowry, and Conley has emerged as their starter. And now relations with the Blazers have deteriorated. Could mean KP would be happy to pull them over the table. Could mean he wants nothing to do with them.
I don’t expect Conley to suit up for the Blazers next year. But I can’t say for sure.
Pryz would never be traded for Conley, but Travis might...
From Norskie’s link above:
The Portland Trail Blazers and Memphis Grizzlies have discussed a multiplayer trade that centers on the exchange of forward Travis Outlaw and point guard Mike Conley, league sources said Friday.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Note: It centers on the exchange of a forward; it does not go forward on the exchange of a center...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Center is THE premium position in the NBA. There are TWO coming out in the first round of the draft this year...
Human Foul Machine Bynum makes $12.5 Million next year.
Andrew Bogut will be making more than that.
And the list goes on and on…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 21, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't really want this to become a "what will the Blazers do" and "is Conley the PG of the future" thread
We could do that in another fanpost. Back in November even Dave was against Conley before his (to be expected) improvement. The deal likely would have helped us, but now it’s too late. And while I would have liked it to happen I can’t say if the Blazers value Conley or Bayless more and just wanted Conley as an instant upgrade to Sergio to battle it out with Bayless on the long run, and not as their immediate starter (since they allegedly said no as soon as the Griz wanted Blake in the deal).
As for the discussion above, I can see both sides. A second center is needed, especially next to a foul-prone Oden. But if we could get Conley for Joel and Haddadi (not a great player, but certainly enough to play as an emergency center) that would be a pretty sweet deal. Gortat is a free agent as as11osu said, and he didn’t do a bad job in the playoffs guarding the likes of Dalembert, Z, Perkins at all for some extended minutes while Howard had (technical) foul trouble himself. Two years in a row. So is e.g. Zaza Pachulia. Both no Joel, but much younger and not that far away. Last year Joel had a net neutral impact: Positive on defense by keeping opponents contribution low, negative on offense.
no
joel is far more important than conley would be.
add in a future first and maybe i would consider it
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22 year old starting point guard > 30 year old backup center
This is fairly easy, especially when you consider that those ages are for just the first year and that Joel isn’t guaranteed for anything but that first year. Having Conley from ages 22-30 is far more valuable than having Przybilla from 30-31. Not only in immediate value, just looking at the time they’d play, but from how they fit into our future lineups. Oden in the not too distant future is going to be playing 30 minutes per game, leaving Joel scraps of time, while Conley would be our lead point guard for 30-35 minutes per game.
completely disagree
especially since the reports out of the Blazers’ FO that say that they are extremely high on Bayless.
Why would they trade away a very vital asset for a guy who would take the spot of one of the Blazers’ best prospects?
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
"Nice Signature" - Claire
Bayless can't do much of anything right now...
Conley is a dramatic upgrade over Bayless already, and he is still an improving player as well. It wouldn’t be hard to trade Bayless for a PF or C upgrade as he still has value. That and we have plenty of cap space to finish it off with an extra backup big.
the question here is who is KP higher on
I, for one, believe it’s Bayless.
Even if you think it’s Conley, is it worth giving up the best backup center in the league?
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"Nice Signature" - Claire
Good luck trying to get Rubio to play for you
He didn’t even interview with you.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jun 21, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTN Utah: from Memphis
I am rethinking the AK47 Deal, is he still on the table?
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
ATTN: Memphis... [from Utah]
Yeah… Do you have the principles of a deal in mind?
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 21, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTN UTAH (From Memphis)
Memphis Gives:
Jaric
Darko
For
Kirilenko
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
Attn: Memphis [from Utah]
Memphis would need to throw in the #2 pick to make this work…
Marko Jaric
Darko
- pick
for
Kirilenko
- pick
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 22, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking for Portland again
Our trade exception for backup PF from the Nets, Williams.
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
Williams isn't a good fit here
I can’t see KP taking him, even if NJ would dump his contract for nothing.
Why?
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 21, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Character issues. He said no to him at the deadline in a VC package according to some rumors.
Twice suspended and then dismissed from Boston College.
an unrepentent
reefer addict
man can he block some shots though
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Attn: Clippers From: Hou
How much salary are you looking to shed? I can’t take on Randolph, but would you consider McGrady/Barry for 2nd rounder, Kaman, Camby, Mardy Collins, and DeAndre Jordan?
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
I'd consider it
I was actually looking at your roster trying to figure out if there was any way we could work together. I had even though about a little bit of Baron Davis.
Attn: Phoenix From: Houston
McGrady + Lowry for Shaq + Tucker + 48th pick
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
outside the boundaries of the mock draft excercise
Currently playing the role of Phoenix Suns GM Steve Kerr in the 2009 BlazersEdge Mock Draft.
Attn: Cleveland From: Houston
McGrady + Lowry for Wallace + D West + Pavlovic + 30th pick
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
Cleveland GM says no
We have a deal in place for VC. I like McGrady, but his deal is for crazy money and he may sit in a suit all season. I think your best deal is with NO if they will take McGrady.
Attn PHI From Hou
Mcgrady + Landry + Lowry for Brand + Dalembert + 17th pick
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
Attn Hou from Philly
That’s a really good offer. It gives me a mulligan on the Brand signing my predecessor made. And on top of that, Tracy Mcgrady in a contract year. He’ll bring it every night and play through the pain! I will give this some strong consideration.
by terryisntbald on Jun 20, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn: All GM's From Toronto GM
I was a bit premature to dismiss all discussions of trading Chris Bosh. I will entertain offers, but remember that the trades should focus around the draft.
Would you consider
Jeff Green, Earl Watson (6.5 exp), Chucky Atkins (5? exp), #3 and #25
for Bosh and #9
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
That's really intriguing
Would you consider a future 1st instead of #9. Something like 2010 (Lottery Protected), 2011 (Top 10 protected), 2012 (Top 3 protected) 2013 (Unprotected). I figure that if I make this trade before the draft, I would need to protect against the possibility of Memphis selecting the player that I want at #2. A replacement player certainly wouldn’t be available at #9, but in other discussions, I believe that I could replace the player I want by trading #9 during the draft.
While the trade would take you out of the draft, having a pick in a future draft might be better since this is the worst draft since 2000. Not to mention, bringing in Chris Bosh would be the greatest addition any team made on draft day. What do you think?
To be clear, this isn’t technically an offer, but if you are cool with this change, we seem to be getting very close to a deal. Also, I hope you won’t be offended, but if we do come to a deal, I would like to give other GM’s the courtesy of trying to beat it (for about a day) though I doubt they can.
I am actually really liking this for both teams.
Toronto sends:
Chris Bosh
Future 1st (2010 (Lottery protected), 2011 (Top 10 protected), 2012 (Top 3 protected) 2013 (Unprotected)
OKC sends:
- overall
- overall
Jeff Green
Earl Watson
Chucky Atkins
Jeff Green
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't know why the autotext make it 1. and 2.
Obviously that should be #3 overall and #25 overall.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
try the preview
before you hit post. you’ll be able to see if it’s going to happen before you post.
I want to put points on your face!
This is very possible as long as next years #1 is in fact only top 5 protected..
because we are giving up 2 #1’s.. lets discuss further tomorrow
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 21, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I am fine with limiting the pick to top five protected...
As long as the following year it is still top three and the year after #1 one overall would be protected.
It just saves face for Toronto in case, somehow, the team implodes after the trade. If after the trade, the team does so poorly that they a top 5 pick and then are even worse the next year, I couldn’t risk giving up that good of a pick in addition to Bosh.
Realistically, I doubt a Toronto team after this trade would have a bottom 5 record, but if they are (and are a bottom three record the next year) that means that this trade failed as a rebuilding attempt and then giving away such a premium pick would further derail a rebuild. Basically I don’t want this trade to become the Eddy Curry trade, where my roster/record is abismal and another team has my unprotected first rounder when it could very well be one of the top picks.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 21, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
From: Hou
McGrady + Scola + Cook + Landry for Bosh + Evans + Humphries + 9th pick + any cash to make it work
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
by supremepuntiff on Jun 20, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
From Philly
Would my 17th pick, Samuel Dalembert, and Marreese Speights for Bosh do anything for you?
by terryisntbald on Jun 20, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there is more value in the OKC proposal
I try to look for a playing style and a window of competition. Since I am supposedly Brian Colangelo, my style is the run and gun which is predicated on quick players and perimeter shooting. Dalembert and Speights are both better in the half court offense and Dalembert would ruin my cap flexibility. Having cap space and expiring contracts the year before the greatest free agency ever is critical for acquiring a solid player in a market that has a difficulty luring free agents.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTn Toronto from NO
I would be willing to send you a replacement in david west, Tyson Chandler, and the number #21 pick. For Bosh and Humphires
by Arthur Schoene on Jun 20, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I still prefer the OKC offer
In trading Bosh, the desire is to acquire premium young talent. West and Chandler would be good if the desire is to win now, but I need to be realistic. That team wouldn’t even get home court advantage in the playoffs. I think it is better to take a couple of years to rebuild with a very talented core rather than make trades that will allow the team to hover around the .500 mark.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with your statement
In all ways but i thought it would be fun to think bout paul and bosh playing together!
by Arthur Schoene on Jun 20, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn: Portland From: Hou
If this can actually be done under league rules: McGrady + Landry + Barry + cash for Joel, Outlaw, Blake, Frye, Miles’ 9mil payout, + 24th and 55th picks
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
You also can't trade Frye
because he is a restricted free agent.
by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was afraid of that
oh well. be back in a bit.
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
by supremepuntiff on Jun 20, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Also I wouldn't want McGrady not the winner I would want
Joel fits well, Blake, would need replacing
No no
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 20, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
TMac gets to finish the year wearing Houston red... Then he's a UFA.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Attn: GMs of Chicago & Houston - 3-way trade
According to Real GM, this works…
Chicago sends: Chicago gets:
Hinrich Dunleavy
#16
#26
Houston sends: Houston gets:
Landry Tinsley
Scola #16
Indiana sends: Indiana gets:
Dunleavy Scola
Tinsley Landry
#26
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
damn spacing
RE: the trade above
Chicago gets:
Dunleavy
Houston gets:
Tinsley
#16
Indiana gets:
Landry
Scola
#26
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
Too high of a price from Houston's perspective
They probably don’t want Tinsley though they might take him off Indiana’s hand for the 16. I doubt they would part with two very productive players for it though.
From HOU
Too much for Tinsley and a draft pick
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
by supremepuntiff on Jun 20, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...it kinda is...
but it never hurts to see what you’re willing to give up to get into the draft…
Also, good to see that the actual GM of the team responds as opposed to just someone who wants to comment on the trade…sheesh
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
ATTN WASHINGTON GM from OKC GM
Are you interested in moving up to #3 to get Harden? I know you have to shed salary and I am offering some expiring contracts plus some good up and coming players
WASH gets:
Nick Collison
Earl Watson
Thabo Sefolosha
#3
OKC gets:
Antawn Jamison
Brendon Haywood
#5
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 20, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions
Washington GM here....
Your deal is interesting. Let me marinate on it.
I like the #3 and dumping some salary would be nice. But Haywood actually played well before his injury and Jameson is one of only two reliable players on my team. Remember, this club is actually pretty good when Gilbert & co. are healthy. Im not sure Im in total salary dump mode quite yet.
Gilbert + Caron + Antawn + Haywood + #5 pick + role players (stevenson, young, thomas) doesnt seem like a half bad rotation when I look at it on paper.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
[From Phoenix]
Talent-wise, I feel this trade is a bit of a gamble, but makes sense for our organization. Wright gives us a young, high-upside PF to eventually replace Amare when he bolts for greener pastures (or if we are successful in trading him this offseason), and gives us a higher draft pick where we may be able to land the future PG for our orginization. Giving up Barbosa is tough, but getting Azuibuke/Wright/7 is worth it. We would miss Louis Amundson, who performed admirably last year, but we feel we have more than enough frontcourt depth with Shaq, Amare, Wright, Robin Lopez and Davidson to make up for it.
Phoenix GM Steve Kerr signs off on this deal, pending approval from our owner Robert Sarver and league commissioner Dave.
[Now speaking as jksnake99]
Why would you do this trade as Golden State? Sure, Barbosa is great in a running system, but you already have a glut of guards. Furthermore, I think you may be underrating ’Buike and Wright. As Phoenix, I might do this trade even without swapping picks. I have no problem with sending this to Dave to see if he would allow it, though.
Do people in general agree with me that this trade is advantage: Phoenix?
Currently playing the role of Phoenix Suns GM Steve Kerr in the 2009 BlazersEdge Mock Draft.
It's not close
PHX absolutely destroys GS in this trade. If I were the Commish I wouldn’t allow this trade, as it would set a bad precedent. Wright and #7 alone are worth more than that whole package. At least that’s how I feel.
agreed its not the best
making the numbers match was EXTREMELY difficult. I was trying to do Azibuike/Belinelli but it left me WAY short. I think I’ll take more time to some math and see if this makes sense, but it may just not be meant to happen.
Phoenix
gets significantly younger and gets more talent in return.
I want to put points on your face!
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DC
CHICAGO...Might be outta my league here but...
Would Sergio, Outlaw our #24, #33 and #38 get us Kirk and your #16?
From Chicago
We don’t feel a pressing need to add depth at either the point guard or small forward positions at the moment. Our primary goals are adding post scoring and a long term starter at shooting guard.
by himynameisjoey on Jun 20, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Why don't you go get CDR on the cheap from Memphis as a 3rd SG?
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That probably won't be too bad an idea
While Douglas-Roberts would be a nice addition to any teams depth, we’re looking for a two that is able to work on the perimeter and at midrange – Rose can already get to the hoop and Deng is at his best as a slasher.
Also, just as a note, I think you are thinking of Douglas-Roberts college team when you mention Memphis.
by himynameisjoey on Jun 20, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade
A source close to the Blazers confirms that a trade is on the table between Portland and NJ. Portland would send Outlaw, Blake, Sergio, and the #33 pick to NJ for Trenton Hassell, Eduardo Najera and the #11 pick. Portland would select Brandon Jennings at #11.
As a VERY small part of Portlands Management Team...
I would have to be assured another vet PG was on the horizon before accepting that deal. I wouldn’t want to start next season with Bayless starting and a rookie coming off the bench…
Sorry, my friend posted under my name
Intersting scenario though
We should be drafting Holiday
Not Jennings
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn: NJ From HOU
Any interest at all in some sort of McGrady + X for Carter, 11th, and cap filler? I would be willing to part with any but Brooks, Scola, Battier, and Yao (and obviously Artest, but he is a FA right now). A high price with the pick, but Carter comes off the books.
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
Attn: Portland GMs
We’ve tentatively accepted a trade of Conley Jr and Haddadi for Joel Pryzbilla. Trade ID #5126995 (RealGm). If acceptable to majority or at least a few more. We need to look at the 5 position. Haddadi is a questionable backup to our questionable starter.
Thoughts!
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
That was with a future first too right?
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 20, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't part of it.
I think a throw in of Sergio for a future was asked but nothing specific. We would still need to deal for a backup 4 and 5. Free agency or draft. What’s the preference?
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
I have a sweet offer for the Memphis gm
But Im not sure how the trade checker and cash considerations work. Portland sends Outlaw there with #33 and #38th pick for Conley Jr.(would include Sergio in the deal if it makes it work)With O.J. Mayo being the future pg and Memphis wanting some relief. Works on real gm but Im thinking 3-4 million in cash considerations being added and will that count against Portlands cap?
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.
Sounds good too
How about Pryz, TO and Sergio for Conley and Gasol. Works in RealGM Trade ID #5127601
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
Why would Memphis do this?
Sergio is worse than Conley, Pryz is better than Gasol, but not by a ton, and Gasol is younger, and therefore in their window, and Outlaw plays the same position as Rudy Gay. This seems like a losing proposition for Memphis
On the other hand, if Memphis is good with it, than I am too :)
If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Jun 20, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we should make a run at tj ford
he is just as good as conley
A few reasons
1: Conley is 5 years younger
2: Conley is already a better 3pt shooter
3: Conley has the physical advantage of 1 inch & 15lbs over Ford.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Like that trade alot
we could sweeten it with a couple 2nds if needed.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.
ATTENTION ALL GM's
I had a nifty idea for all us GM’s for the next 4 days.
I saved a picture of my team’s icon and am using it as my profile image. Just google search for your team logo, etc. etc.
It helps with idendifying what team you are talking to, yadi yadi yadi.
If people think this is stupid I will just go to my old image.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
Attention Memphis Gm
I understand your owner wants you to save money while getting decent talent in return
I believe this deal helps save you money and bring in cheaper future players
Portland Trades: Sergio, Rudy fernandez, Travis Outlaw, 24th pick,34th pick, 2011 1st rounder
Memphis trades: Conley, Gay
Portland gets: Conley, Gay
Memphis gets: Rudy,Sergio, Outlaw, 24th,34th, 011 pick,
memphis saves money as outlaws deal non guaranteed and Rudy and sergio have great chemistry and wont cost as much in the future as conley and gay
I want to move up for Holiday
Swap Bayless, Outlaw & 24th with Holiday + Ronny Turiaf
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
Just my thoughts
Holiday > Bayless & I hope it happens on draft day.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
So if Jrue falls into the teens,and he might
Who would be the poor teams in that range that might want Sergio
by southern oregon on Jun 21, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
And $s for the pick they are thinking about selling?
by southern oregon on Jun 21, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Holiday will be a Top 8 pick, I think.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Then move Bayless too.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley Jr(T)/Jrue Holiday(D)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)/Terrence Williams(D)/Paul Harris(D)
Forward Options: Serge Ibaka(T)/Taj Gibson(D)/Ater Majok(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)/Bamba Fall(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 21, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
ATTN GSW:
And my fellow Portland GM’s:
Should the Blazers propose to trade Sergio, #24, #38 and cash for:
Brendan Wright and the #7?
GSW seems to have little need for Wright as I think Davidson would do OK in the limited minutes behind Randolph. The Warriors get the facilitating guard they were hoping to get at #7 and avoid the high salary slot of a lottery pick.
Portland begins to clear the logjam at the one, especially if the Conley deal goes through.
Wright can back up Aldridge and perhaps even Oden in a pinch.
I think the #7 would then be used to trade down to get Mullens if we want to address the backup 5 at the draft.
Thoughts on both sides would be welcome. It feels good to de-lurk.
So, just to get this straight,
Portland is proposing sending a player they have no use for, a pick that’s not valuable, and a pick that’s even less valuable for a player selected in the lottery fairly recently and another lottery pick?
I think if we start making trade proposals like that, then the Golden State GM stops taking our calls.
If you ever hear of someone punching out a girl scout and stealing her Samoas, it was me
- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Jun 21, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
its true...
i hae little interest, as i hae an offer of Crash Wallace and #12 for exactly what youre asking for
Well
the Blazers can’t compete with that in terms of talent, but how about Wright for Sergio and #24?
ATTN: Chicago GM
This has been talked about prior to this thread but what about the following:
TO CHICAGO:
Travis Outlaw
Steve Blake
Your Choice of two of the following: Our first round pick this year, any of our second round picks this year, Sergio, our first round pick next year
To Portland:
Kirk Heinrick
Future first rounder
That would give you three first rounders and two expiring contracts (who are productive vetran players) to go after the post scoring that you desire. This deal has to be done early so you have time to use your assests as I imagine you are not looking to add three guaranteed rookie contracts to your team.
Portland is being AWFULLY generous there...
I have a hard time seeing KP1 making this move
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
ATTN Memphis GM
Would you be interested in a pick swap. Say #2 for #3 and 2 Million? I know Heisley is hurting for cash..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 21, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions
Memphis GM
I would be interested but I want to make sure I get the player I want, can we do a trade just after we both pick, or will it only be before?
- Who you want, #3 is who I want and then we trade, but then of course that doesn’t allow for the cash considerations….
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
Right we would do a Roy Foye trade. just swap spots plus cash
Thats the plan at least. If you decide to move even lower you can always do that as well with the #3
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 21, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If the player you want is there at #2, then he is there at #3.
if we agree to trade I have the next pick so no one can jump in and steal him
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 21, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTN All GMS (From Memphis GM)
I am looking at moving down in the draft, somewhere around the 8th pick. Anyone interested?
I am looking for a PF or Center who can score or defend/rebound and the 6-10th pick.
I am also willing to draft the player you want if you draft the player I want at that pick.
Memphis
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
[From Minnesota] We might be a trade partner
Minnesota is looking to move up, and you can have anyone off our roster but Jefferson and Love if we can find a way to make the salaries match up.
btw.. this gets tricky
im just pointing out.. that because you have to do all the talk in the threads.. its SUPER easy for someone to pull a Pritch and jump in front of your proposed partner. I have discovered this idea already. :)
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 21, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
the nature of this format
and contrary to some people’s assertions, that’s not realistic…
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
oh i agree.. also why GMs dont make this public, but one of my first trade ideas
got more or less vetoed by another GM saying.. well I am takin that guy so lets deal..
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 21, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
[From New York] The #8 Pick
I’d trade you the #8 pick plus anyone on my team for the #2 pick.
These players include…
Larry Hughes, Eddy Curry, Al Harrington, Quentin Richardson, Jared Jeffries, Chris Duhon, Wilson Chandler, Mouhamed Sene, Joe Crawford and Chris Hunter.
I’d also be willing to take on any of your bad players…
Darko Milicic, Marko Jaric, Greg Buckner and Hamed Haddadi.
Let me know if you see a match.
Andrei Kirilenko is your guy...
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn Hawks GM
Would you be interested in Sergio,#24 and $3 mil for #19
by southern oregon on Jun 21, 2009 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
From the Blazer POV -- what is #19 gonna do that #24 won't?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
If you want Blair, you need #11 from New Jersey; if you want Lawson, you need something in the ballpark of 15.
Moving 24 to 19 at that cost doesn’t seem prudent.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
exactly
I could see Sergio, #33, 3 mil for #19 or something if ATL just wants to sell the pick
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
"Nice Signature" - Claire
I was more testing the waters
To see what Sergio is worth in terms of trading up,myself I want to wait for Collison to fall to us at #24
by southern oregon on Jun 21, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm definitely interested
Is the collective Blazers GM really interested in offering this? I don’t want to think too much about it unless you are serious, but I’ll probably take the deal. I’ll post a full Sund/Atlanta thought process at that time.
attn Washington GM
Joel Przybilla
Steve Blake
for
Etan Thomas
Brendan Haywood
#5
You can cut Blake and shave salary off for next year, plus you get one of the best defensive centers in the NBA.
Reports out of Portland say that KP is very high on Curry, and this move puts them in prime position to draft him.
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
"Nice Signature" - Claire
Even if KP is that interested in Curry
No move gets made to move Blake unless another veteran PG is acquired. The Blazers have no interest in handing the starting job to an unproven player.
by blacknoiseNW on Jun 21, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
trade outlaw and fillers to Chi Town
for Hinrich to give them some cap relief
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
"Nice Signature" - Claire
It seems the ability to make trades in a mock draft like this is pretty fruitless...
People just want to pick their picks, which is fine.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
ATTN: Hornets (from Raptors)
Would you consider trading Tyson Chandler for Expiring Contracts and a late 1st rounder?
Toronto Raptors GM
Yes!
It is exacly what i am trying to get unless someway i pull the deal for mcgrady! What would you be thinking
by Arthur Schoene on Jun 21, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is how I see it:
From the communications above, I am pretty close to a deal with OKC involving Chris Bosh. The outline of the deal is this:
Toronto trades:
Chris Bosh
2010 First (top 5 protected)
OKC sends:
Jeff Green
Pick # 3 overall
Pick # 25 overall
Earl Watson ($6.2M expiring)
Chucky Atkins ($3.3M expiring)
Rather than taking on the two expiring contracts and #25, I thought I would see if you wanted to be included in the trade. Your part of the trade would be:
New Orleans Sends:
Tyson Chandler (to Toronto)
New Orleans Receives:
Earl Watson ($6.2M expiring)
Chucky Atkins ($3.3M expiring)
25th Overall pick
Toronto Raptors GM
by Salem Stephen on Jun 21, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTN: Clippers (from Raptors)
Would you trade Kaman or Camby for expiring contracts and a future second rounder?
Toronto Raptors GM
ATTN Min GM
What would you want along with Sergio for your pick at 18?
by southern oregon on Jun 21, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions
ATTN Philly GM
What would you want along with Sergio for your pick at 17?
by southern oregon on Jun 21, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions
One team that is guard hunting that might be persuaded to trade for Sergio is the real world is the NJ Nets...
They of the #11 = DeJuan Blair pick…
Obviously, a pick flip with them would take more than just Sergio, however.
Sergio & Travis for the switch is probably a bit much (not to mention cap considerations) — but that would start to be the shape of a real life trade IF (and only if) KP chooses to target Blair.
Blair is 100% definitely gone at the 13 pick to Indiana if he gets that far…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I dont want to trade up that far in"this" draft
Yeah Blair is pretty good but we want to move Sergio sooner and Travis[maybe] later after we know more about Martell’s foot.
by southern oregon on Jun 21, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
ATTN Portland GM (everyone) [From New York]
I understand some of you are hopeful to land the #8 pick in the draft from us for #24 and Sergio. We all know THAT particular portion of the trade wouldn’t be enough to get it done. If your team doesn’t intend on being under the cap for this year I think we can work something out. We here in New York need assets, and you have a lot of them that you probably don’t value as much as we would (#24, #33, #38, Sergio). The problem is we would need you to take Jared Jeffries off our books for the summer of 2010. If you can achieve this using Paul Allens money New York would love to cooperate giving you a chance to draft either the PG of your choosing (Jennings, Curry, Holiday) or the big fella that would fit into your plans (Blair).
So to recap the trade would look like this.
Portland Receives:
Pick #8
Jared Jeffries
$3 Million
New York Receievs:
Picks #24, #33, #38
Sergio Rodriguez
RLEC (The 2009/2010 Remix)
This for practical purposes is consolidation. You don’t need 5 draft picks in this draft. Your roster is already stacked, and really 1 really quality lottery pick should suffice. And get this… maybe you can parlay this pick and the rest of your numerous assets to finish moving up to #2 for that Rubio fella.
Maybe
depends on who will be left at #8
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
"Nice Signature" - Claire
You can't do sign and trades until the begining of free agency...
so this trade cannot go down.
Toronto Raptors GM
by Salem Stephen on Jun 21, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Attn: Rockets! from NO
How is the deal for Mcgrady going? Is my offer still in the race?
Attn: Grizz from Hornets!
Are you still wanting Chandler?
Memphis Says yes
NOH.
We are still interested in Chandler
Is this still the Deal?
Darko
Arthur
#27
For
Chandler
If this is agreeable to you just say so and we can send this onto the league(Dave) for review.
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
Attn: His Airness
I know it’s been a busy weekend on the links, but I was wondering if I could pull you aside before you make it to the 19th hole. Just curious to check your temperature on our previously discussed deal. To recap:
Crawford, #7, Davidson, $2 million
for
Wallace, #12
MJ makes better deals AFTER the 19th Hole...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
ATTN: AGMs from Chicago and Sacramento FROM OKC
Would you be willing to sell your second first round picks?
I have read that your real life GMs are shopping them, are either of you?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 21, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions
Attn: OKC from chicago
We are right now hoping to use the #26 along with the #16 to move up in the draft.
by himynameisjoey on Jun 22, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
ATTT: GM's with 1st round pick looking to save money....
Spurs here, still looking to move into the 1st round. I have 3 2nd round picks at my disposal. If anyone is interested in working a deal, let me know so I can strike up an offer….
RUDY > MJ
ATTN Wizards: (From Memphis)
What do you think about swapping the #2 pick for the #5 pick?
"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda
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