Is Devin Harris "the" target? (with poll)
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 8:15 AM PDT
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I've been listening to some radio interviews and trying to put 2+2 together. I heard that Portland is trying like heck to move up in the draft, as high as the first 5 picks range. Then this AM Sean Deveney (of The Sporting News) told the MSP boys that NJ was looking to deal Devin Harris to move up in the draft. Coincidence?
Would you deal Rudy (etc) to move up to #3,4,5 (etc) and flip that pick to NJ for Harris?
(I'd do it)
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with out a poll, I say yes
I heard that today too, and started to think the same thing. I will be pretty upset if he is traded for something less than what we could give up. I think we may be able to do it by buying some picks, 24th, trading some 2nd rounders, Travis, Bayless, and Sergio.
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by Blazermaniac77 on Jun 19, 2009 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we could come out of the draft and FA period
with Devin Harris and DeJuan Blair on the roster
and “all” KP had to give up was Sergio, Rudy , Outlaw, draft choices and cap space?
I’d be all over that
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you have Harris, you really have not much need for Bayless as much as I like him
by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to keep bayless as the backup to harris
if we acquired harris, that would be sick. I think NJ would not be willing to take this deal. I expect rudy to have a great career, however DH is already established as a serious star and could push us past contender to champion. Of course, I think hinrich is good enough as an upgrade at point to handle that. Thank God we have KP running the team instead of me, because I sure wouldn’t be able to figure out which options were best for the team and be able to convince another GM to give me those players.
by lurtsman on Jun 19, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have Blake as the backup.
He’s already where we need ‘that guy’ to be. Responsible. Coachable. Sticks to the plan. Safe, reliable role player = perfect back-up pg.
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by GonzoFan on Jun 19, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get Harris through trades and Blair through draft...
wouldn’t we also have our cap space available? Then maybe we could sign a sweet shooting combo guard to take Rudy’s roll off the bench? I’d love to give this role to Bayless but I have a feeling he would have to be included in a deal for a top-tier pg.
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by GonzoFan on Jun 19, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lopside trade
I doubt there would be much cap-space available, by the time the dealin’ was done. Unless Outlaw and Blake are both included. NJ is looking for cap relief, that’s why they’re dealing Harris in the first place. So “part” of what KP would have to give to trade up would be a sizable chunk of that cap-space
My post-trade depth chat includes some overlap at the SG position for Webster. Even Batum could play some “2” against bigger backcourts. KP could draft/sign another wing player, but the new guy would be more “practice fodder” than a part of the regular rotation
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got ya.
If we were able to Keep Webster he would be perfect coming off the bench at 2/3. I also think you’re dead on about Batum. I may have high-hopes for what we’ve seen so far but I see him turning into the guy that guards the other team’s best 2/3, maybe even 1. If he can take that guy out of their offensive game early and get ‘em frustrated that would be huge. Then you send in Webs and let it rain (hopefully). I’m still worried about his foot though.
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by GonzoFan on Jun 19, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th guard
If Sergio and Rudy “go elsewhere” in these deals, you’re left with a 3 guard rotation of Roy, Harris and Blake (I like that idea)
“Somebody” has to be the 4th guard. (and you could slide Martell or Batum over, I suppose)
But I’d keep Jerryd as #3 PG injury insurance. Sure, if Harris comes onboard Bayless wouldn’t be in the long-term plans at starting PG…but you never know how long Blake will be effective, either. JB’s on his rookie contract, what’s he going to say that Sergio didn’t?
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martell is a natural SG as well...
This would free up minutes for Martell at the 2 with Travis/Batum at the 3…
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by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even I, one of the biggest Bayless homers around, would tend to agree
If you can get a good young PG with an all around game, do it. The reason I like Bayless so much is that I think he has the possibility to become a player like that. If you get someone who is already proven that is certainly better than potential.
by upper left corner on Jun 19, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why coudn't Bayless play in the same backcourt with Harris (or Roy)?
Devin is tall enough to guard most SGs
I don’t see how dealing for Harris “automatically” means Bayless has to be gone. That decision could be made anytime in the next 2 years
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
3 guard rotation of Roy/Harris/Bayless would be the bomb diggity.
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by HurraKane212 on Jun 19, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only let's go
Roy/Harris/Blake
We want somebody who can shoot on the second unit.
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by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's automatic
but Harris is basically everything we’re hoping Bayless could be. As far as Devin matching up against SGs, we saw in 2007 that he wasn’t able to effectively guard the bigger Baron Davis (who’s built more like an SG), so I wouldn’t trust him to guard anyone bigger than the Rudy/Terry/Lou Williams brand of SGs.
by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you've still got other "options"
to guard those big SGs when Brandon’s out (Webster, Batum)
against a team with smaller guards, you could get by with a Harris/Bayless backcourt
and there’s no reason KP couldn’t bring in another 2 guard to backup Brandon, down the road
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you've got to give up something
it’s just not realistic to try to get a player at Harris’ level without giving up too much young talent. Bayless becomes expendable if we get Harris so Bayless + Rudy seems like a good start of the package for Harris.
by iverigma2 on Jun 20, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris if attained is a guy that plays 36 minutes per game
If you keep Bayless what is he’s getting 12 minutes at PG and splitting 12 minutes at SG, so he’d top out at 18 minutes per game. Isn’t that kind of why we need to trade Travis Outlaw. He’d be great as a small ball PF, but we can’t justify his 10 minutes per game when his trade value is far beyond that.
Devin Harris makes Bayless redundant. If you trade for Devin Harris it only makes sense to first include that player somewhere in the deal. His value to us would be the most reduced by Harris’ arrival and his trade value around the league would still be quite high. If you can formulate a deal like ggassen85 did below, that would be the ideal trade to acquire Devin Harris in.
by as11osu on Jun 20, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do it hopefully without Rudy
But if I had to yes. Wow Why is NewJersey thinking of trading that piece? Is that a reliable source.
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by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 8:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Ford metioned it recently as well
Or maybe it was DraftExpress… either way it’s not the first time I’ve heard it.
by kobisportsguy on Jun 19, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
check the MSP podcast (95.5)
Deveny was on with Gav and Chad this AM. I think he works for SI?
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this from a different source yesterday
Link. It’s the last question listed.
by Timmay! on Jun 19, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that figures
like I said with Norsk the other day, brilliant minds think alike
I just can’t believe KP is traying to trade way up to 3-5 get Steph Curry. DH makes way more sense
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Mortimer said, my favorite attribute in a point guard is that they are named Devin Harris.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 19, 2009 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I voted no
since that was my only choice
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 19, 2009 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
my bad
first time adding a poll, should be OK now
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...that's ok
But that being said …this is probably one of the few scenarios I would be willing to trade Rudy for. However as a general rule I don’t like the idea of trading both Rudy and Travis for anyone. If Travis goes I envision Rudy being our instant offense guy off the bench (and vice/versa of course)
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by 92wastheyear on Jun 19, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Travis has to be a part of the deal
to make the salaries match. I could be wrong, maybe the cap-space + Rudy (etc) would be enough
(I’ll let someone else do the math)
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Portland Trail Blazers are no longer in a realistic position to acquire Devin Harris.
That ship sailed away a long, long time ago, but if y’all want to dream the dream that’s your business.
by AK1984 on Jun 19, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Deveny said NJ is looking to trade Harris to move up in the draft (and shed his contract)
If that’s true, why wouldn’t KP have the ability to make several deals to snag Harris? We’ve been hearing that the Blazers are trying to move way up in this draft from other sources in the past few days
(don’t be a hater, dare to dream)
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the title of your comment says it all
NJ is looking to move up in the draft. We are not a team that is above them in the draft. It’s too complicated to work.
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by Magnum on Jun 19, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sources have said that Portand has been trying hard to trade above NJ in the draft
Some have speculated the Blazer’s interest is in Steph Curry. I’m dubious about that. Usually KP’s “real deal” is the one we’re not hearing about, ahead of time
and I would never say any deal is “too complicated” for KP and Penn to at least consider, and then pursue with a vengeance. Getting ahold of a high lottery pick is like child’s play for them in the current economic environment. They just need the right reason to make the effort, and I don’t see Curry as being a target that’s worth dealing the necessary assets it would take to acquire
Harris, OTOH, is another story altogether
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just going to side with history
I’ve seen a lot of complicated trade scenarios thrown around, but I’ve seen very few complicated trades actually happen.
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by Magnum on Jun 19, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the team is hellbent on a combo guard
Then Harris would be the guy to go for. He’s basically what the biggest Bayless fans hoep Bayless can be someday. The difference is that we KNOW Harris is good and he is ready to produce now and for our entire window.
That said, seems like an unlikely deal as another team would no doubt be able to offer more than just a pick.
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by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not offering the Nets "just" a pick
KP would be offering salary relief. Part of the reason NJ is thinking about dealing Harris in the first place is to shed his salary (this could have a lot to do with the 2010 FA season, as as11osu has mentioned, previously) We know that KP can make lopsided trades while he’s under the cap. It would be a complicated, 3-team deal but when KP targets a player, he tends to get his man
And I think Devin has been in KP’s cross-hairs for awhile, now
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I wasn't too clear.
Obviously “just a pick” wouldn’t be going for Harris. But after the pick, a lot of other teams could offer just as much as us.
Just pointing out that sometimes we seem to forget that just because a trade works for both teams, doesn’t mean another team won’t offer something even better.
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by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true
but there are a limited amount of teams that have the cap-space necessary and who also want Harris
(It’s not like KP is in direct competition with 29 other GMs for Devin’s services)
The final piece of this “puzzle” is to guess which team in the 2-6 draft range would be willing to deal their pick for Rudy (etc)
I have no idea…but NJ is supposedly talking to those guys and KP always has his “feelers” out
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, wouldn't be all 29 teams
There’s like what, 8-9 that could take Harris? We might have more to offer than those teams, but we also might not. Just gotta remember that we have to battle with many other teams for each trade.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this is really about salary cap relief
then the nets will move Carter, not Harris. Harris they can actually build around. Besides, Carter is carrying a much heavier contract. Harris’s is actually reasonable.
by jstamp26 on Jun 19, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Harris a FA next year though?
New Jersery wouldn’t be able to afford him based on their current financial issues. Part of this could be to try and get something worthwhile for him.
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris is under contract till 2013
35 million over the next 4 seasons.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jun 19, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh snap when did that happen
Guess I’m not paying attention. Shoot I’d be all for Harris in that case. For a guy of his caliber that’s a good deal.
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by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt NJ will give up Harris.
They would be stupid to do that. That being said, I think I would give up Rudy, but I think it would make more sense to give up Outlaw and Bayless for Devin Harris. But, it ain’t gonna happen.
by jenstcy on Jun 19, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe NJ would rather have Rubio at PG ?
Ricky would cost a fraction of the price of Harris, and be more of a “pure” PG
Frankly, I don’t care who the Net’s are interested in, I’ve just heard they’ve been asking around re: dealing Devin to get up higher in the draft. And that re-opens the door for KP to go after DH, if he wants him bad enough
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
Jaynes wrote on his blog that Portland was trying like heck to move up in the draft to pick a PG like Curry to trade to another team that are in financial trouble for their big money PG (Paul or Nash). But if NJ really did want to move up and were willing to trade Harris to do so, I’m sure KP would be happy to help them out :-) Should be an interesting draft night.
by jenstcy on Jun 19, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard Dwight talking about that, yesterday
I think Harris makes more sense than Nash, but if CP3 was available, obviously I’d pursue that in a heartbeat and throw in a lot more than Rudy to make it happen (LMA probably would have to be involved…)
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a team trying to lure Lebron probably won't give up its all star PG
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 19, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
New Jersey has little chance to land LeBron even though minority owner Jay Z is his friend and they could have the cap space
And their move to Brooklyn which would create additional resources is under intense financial pressure due to the economic crisis. They just had to take up a big loan and reduce the architectural design to a minimum. Honestly I currently put NJ into a group of teams that might move.
I would agree though that it seems weird for them to move Harris in order to facilitate a deal. They should try again to move Yi to the Warriors, and VC to anyone who wants him.
by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Jersey needs to blow up
So does Toronto.
Both teams should do better than they are, but for whatever reason both teams continue to be mediocre/bad. Trade everyone and start over!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Harris could've been one of KP's "trading deadline" deals that fell through?
Back then, NJ may have insisted that Vinsanity be a part of the trade, but now they’ll deal Devin without Carter being attached if they can get “player X” in the draft?
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If VC was attached it's still a good deal
It’d feel nice to know we had our starting PG who can create his own offense, set people up, and defend for the next 8 years and it’d be TOTALLY worth swallowing a VC sized pill, even though VC is actually still playing well.
I can’t imagine NJ would trade him, but who knows?
Morty
by Mortimer on Jun 19, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If VC was attached it's still a good deal
Not now, not without RLEC
I doubt Paul Allen or KP would swallow the VC pill. Too many years, too much money
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were unwilling to take
VC and two first rounders for Raef, as rumored, it’s hard to imagine anyone being willing to take him on. Maybe Dallas in exchange for Damp’s deal, Norsk? Dallas would have some issues in the middle, but they’d fill that massive hole on the wing that Gerald Green and Antoine Wright are trying so unsuccessfully to fill.
by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think Harris is the target.
1.) Solves and upgrades a major need
2.) Perfect age for our “Championship Window”
3.) Nets are rumored to be a strong candidate to be a part of a “lopsided trade” due to economy and payroll
4.) Know the Blazers have tried to get Harris before
5.) Strong character and Blazer culture guy
6.) Would be our 2nd legitimate All-Star (albeit Eastern Conference) with hopes that Oden or Aldridge gives us our 3rd and 4th in due time. 3 or 4 all-stars usually equals multiple titles.
If I had to bet the farm on the deal KP is trying hardest to get done, I think it is Harris. He won’t come cheap, but he is the final major piece of this championship team.
Roy, Harris, Webster, Aldridge, and Oden – first team
Bayless (or Rudy), Blake, Batum, Przybilla, and Outlaw (or TBD) – second team
I’d go to battle with that squad for the next 5 – 7 years and be very confident we’d win multiple championships.
In KP We Trust,
-Tex
by texoswego on Jun 19, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
another point
I think Nate would be “on board” with Harris as his starting PG. Heck, McMillian may even be driving the “get Devin” bus
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
question?
in this 1st/2nd lineup, what did you give up to get Harris? The only thing I see gone is either Bayless or Rudy, and Sergio. No way we get Harris for that package.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 19, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Here’s my post-trade “depth chart” per position (assuming Sergio, Rudy, Outlaw are dealt)
Harris/Blake/Bayless
Roy/Bayless/Webster/Batum?
Webster/Batum
LMA/TBD (and if there was a way to draft Blair at #11 as part of the deal, oh man)
Greg/Joel
A lot of overlap at the wing positions.
Mostly a “3 guard” rotation but with some wiggle room for Bayless to play alongside any of the other 3 guards
KP could draft another wing player, if he wanted, in the 2nd round
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok..
but do you really think we could get Harris for Sergio, Rudy, and Outlaw?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Jun 19, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on what it takes to move up in the draft
If the Blazers can move up with only Sergio+their pick, then they could use a Rudy/Outlaw/Bayless package to get Harris.
Harris/Blake
Roy/Web
Batum/Web
LMA/FA
Joel/Oden
That is a very good team.
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by usmcr3049 on Jun 19, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really depends on the 3rd team in the deal
you’d have to find a trading partner who really likes Rudy, because obviously they’re all getting multiple offers for those 2-6 picks.
2. Memphis we can pretty much rule out (OJ Mayo)
3. OKC is a decent possibility
4. Sac-town do they think Rubio will still be on the board?
5. the Wiz could use the cap relief
6. Minnesota not sure where Kahn’s going…fresh GM meat for KP?
It won’t be easy, but just knowing that NJ is contemplating using Harris to move up has reignited the “Devin debate”
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would I get rid of for Devin Harris?
Uh, Rudy Fernandez, Sergio Rodriguez, Travis Outlaw and any pick we have this year.
He is the piece. We become a championship team with him.
by robrun2 on Jun 19, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
getting harris would be great
but i’d rather trade bayless/t-bo/martell as part of that deal than rudy. if getting harris, don’t really need bayless (plus NJ would need another PG).
by retirecards51 on Jun 19, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy would probably have to go
He’s one of the most cost effective players in the NBA. The only thing that we have to offer than a lot of other teams with cap don’t is Rudy.
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by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that I'd want to trade Rudy to get him.
But if you can do a deal with Outlaw, Sergio, Bayless or Blake and a draft pick and get Harris, then sign me up. I’d be all over that deal.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jun 19, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Do it, do it till your satisfied.
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by Hookah_John on Jun 19, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Memphis Commercial Appeal wants to have heard that NJ is willing to move Harris for the #2 pick (i.e. Rubio)
by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
(Which in turn would then rather make Conley than Harris available)
by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless
KP is working out a 3-way deal with Memphis, where Conley would stay in Memphis with Harris coming to PDX
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Memphis has a similar problem to Portland: A strong guard in O.J. Mayo who while a SG by nature will handle the ball a lot in the future. What kind of player would be the more ideal partner to that? Harris could be attractive for his ability to defend both guard positions, push in transition and score around the rim. He is not much of an off-guard shooter though.
by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and Memphis wouldn't want Rudy
not with OJ around
The Griz have been messin’ with KP long enough, he needs to set out a bear trap
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you expect from the L#kers D league team
by FlyinSouth on Jun 19, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man that seems like a bone-headed move today.
They switched Kwame Brown and his awesomeness for Gasol…not bad.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Jun 19, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF we are going to do something like that
Just include the spurs, give them Harris, we get Parker.
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 19, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what would it take to get him?
Sergio or Blake or Bayless + Rudy + Webster or Outlaw + draft picks. Got to fill the roster spots some how. 3 players with most value to trade would be Blake + Travis + Rudy. I would prefer to keep Bayless over Blake as the backup, but think Blake would be great at backup also.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
by Ltlgto on Jun 19, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who would you give up for Harris?
I think that KP would be open to dealing anyone on the roster – and probably a combo – not named Greg, Brandon, or LaMarcus to get Harris.
Harris locks up the PG position for this team’s championship window, and we then have 4 of our 5 starting positions locked up.
I am confident we have our starting SF long-term in either Martell, Batum, or Outlaw (depending on who is left after this trade) or that we can ultimately find a lower-cost, solution here down the road if they don’t work out.
I’ll take all-comers for the next few years with a team comprised of Brandon, Harris, LaMarcus, Oden and then some combination of Rudy, Travis, Martell, Przybilla, Bayless, Batum, and Blake (with a couple of these guys likely heading out in the trade).
Over time we will undoubtedly fill out the rest of the roster with cheap, experienced situational players (Robert Horry-type, Sam Cassell-type, Dikembe Mutombo-type) and or draft picks (guys picked in the late 20’s – or hopefully at 30 – for the next few years) to fill out the team.
by texoswego on Jun 19, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There are people like Dikembe Mutombo?
WHERE!?!?!?
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Jun 19, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Think of this
The cost to get Harris will most likely be a Rudy/Outlaw/Bayless package, + sergio, #24 pick, and possibly more to move up high enough to interest the Nets. Lets say it is just Sergio + #24, that leaves this team looking like this
Harris/Blake
Roy/Web
Batum/Web
Lma/??
Oden/Joel
Not a bad team at all. But when you look at the other PG options on the table, this one might cost too much.
To get Hinrich from the Bulls, it could cost as little as just Steve Blake’s contract. That would leave the team with
Hinrich/Bayless/Sergio
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Web/Outlaw
Lma/Outlaw
Oden/Joel
This team has far more pieces to make further trades, Sergio and Outlaw being the most valueable amoung them, and keeps Rudy on the team to fullfil the scorer off the bench role, which the Harris trade would leave empty unless Webster really broke out.
To me I do the Hinrich deal before the Harris deal, eventhough Harris is a better player.
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by usmcr3049 on Jun 19, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason why giving up all those players to get Harris makes more sense than a cheaper Hinrich...
is that with Devin Harris, Brandon Roy would be free to operate on the offensive end near the end of games. If teams do make the mistake of doubling Roy on the perimeter, he simply flips the ball to Harris, and now it’s 4 on 3 with the ball in a point guard’s hands who can score or create a shot for his teammates at a very high level. It truely would create a situation where the defense has to pick their poison. With Hinrich, you just don’t get that same dilemma for opposing defenses. Other teams will be more than willing to get the ball out Roy’s hands, if it means the ball is going to Hinrich.
In the end, this is more about providing the type of skills in a point guard that best fits the Blazers. Point guards that are good defenders, push the ball, can create their own shot, and set up their teammates for quality shots are hard to come by. Guys I can think of besides Harris that fit that bill, who could play at a high level for at least 5-7 more years, are Rondo, CP3, and D. Will. Harris is in a small class of point guards that would be perfect for the Blazers. If Bayless can develop better court vision, he could be that type of player. However, we will not know the answer for awhile. With Harris you don’t have to guess.
Giving up guys like Rudy, Outlaw and Bayless would be tough. But having a guy like Harris is more valuable in the long run.
by JasonT on Jun 20, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramon Sessions
I’d put RS in that same category. You’re right, a young veteran PG who can penetrate and defend better than Blake but has more experience than Bayless would be a great piece to have
It’s tough to find all of that in one package, especially in a guy who’s at least 6’3" and can knock down an open jumper, even if it’s not necessarily a three.
That’s why Harris is worth pursuing, assuming NJ is putting him on the table
by two4larue on Jun 20, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy and Sergio,
they have more value together than apart. I would want them together. Getting Devon Harris would fill any holes that losing Rudy and Sergio would bring about. That said, I prefer that we keep Rudy and Sergio. I want to see them work their magic, which is only going to get better here in Portland.
Rudy Tootie..... I just don't get it
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by Kampeska on Jun 19, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Mega Deal
Portland Gets:
Tony Parker(SA)
Sean Williams(NJ)
San Antonio Gets:
Devin Harris(NJ)
Rudy Fernandez(POR)
Vince Carter(NJ)
Brook Lopez(NJ)
Keyon Dooling(NJ)
Martell Webster(Por)
Ewuardo Najera(NJ)
Marco Jaric(Mem)
Josh Boone(NJ)
Memphis 2011 1st Round Pick
New Jersey Gets:
Manu Ginobli(SA-2 years)
Steve Blake(POR-2 years)
Jerryd Bayless(POR-2 years)
George Hill(SA-2 years)
Darko Milicic(Mem-2 years)
Greg Buckner(Mem-2 years)
Travis Outlaw(Por-2 years)
Memphis 2009 1st round pick
Spurs 2011 1st round pick
Blazers 2011 1st round pick
(Notice the “2 years” as in when LeBron is a free agent, all that money comes off the caps)
Memphis gets:
Tim Duncan(SA-Good fit next to Marc Gasol)
Josh Boone(NJ)
Blazers 2009 1st Round Pick
Spurs 2010 1st round Pick
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kr465c
What do you think ? :)
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 19, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
zero percent chance this happens.
San Antonio still has a shot a championship next year(Their window is almost closed, but it isn’t time to blow up the team. There’s no way you can market to your fans giving up Duncan, Parker and Ginobli for Devin Harris, Vince Carter, Fernandez and Lopez. Even if the trade were even on paper, teams make their money in part by their fan’s bond with the team.
If Portland gave up Roy, LMA and Oden even for Lebron, Carter, and Shaq say… fan’s would be outraged.
by boppitywop on Jun 19, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have a lot of time on your hands
I also think Tim Duncan would retire before reporting to Memphis
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap!
ESPN would love that trade! lol Besides the superstars changing teams, the sheer number of players involved is what impressed me, good work!
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by usmcr3049 on Jun 19, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I destroyed the trade machine
The only thing that shows up as an asset for us is our trade exception, yet the Warriors have Ellis, Maggette & Wright…
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 20, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are gonna get Devon Harris then Bayless will be gone
It makes zero sense to keep Bayless if we have Devon Harris. Also Bayless probably has the second highest trade value ( Outlaw is first). Also people here are not discussing what we would have to give up to move into the top five so we could then trade that pick to NJ.
by ggassen85 on Jun 19, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is the "highest"
In regards to trade value, assuming Roy, LMA and Oden are off the table
The first part of the deal is to find a trade partner for Rudy (etc) with one of the teams at the top of the draft. Once the pick is secured, then KP can talk with NJ about Harris. Usually these things are set up with conditions. “If player X is available then we’ll draft him for you, in exchange for player Y (plus whatever was pre-arranged)” because most trades can’t be finalized until after July 1st.
I’m not sure where teams rank Bayless and Outlaw (or Sergio) in regards to trade value. It probably varies with each GM based on his roster and future plans. But Rudy would be the linchpin of this deal, if KP really wants Harris, I don’t see how he pulls off a trade without putting Fernandez on the table
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he is not
He is not because we will not trade him. Bayless, Outlaw, Sergio, Blake are our most likely to be traded, thats why Bayless is second. Rudy is going no where, hes gonna be a blazer for a long time.
by ggassen85 on Jun 19, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So speaks KP on his BEdge name of ggassen85
Yeah, it’d be great to keep Rudy, but if we could get Harris for just Rudy and trash… we’d have to do it.
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by Zaig on Jun 19, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a very short list of NBA players that I would consider dealing Rudy for
Devin Harris is on that list
Believe me, I realize how good Fernandez is and will become, if he stays healthy. Don’t get the idea that I’m tossing his name out there lightly. I do think he’ll eventually be traded from Portland because of playing time conflicts at the SG position, and it would be better to wait 18-24 months before dealing him (his trade value should only increase over that time period) But if the opportunity is there next Thursday to get Harris and Rudy was the asking price? I’d pull the trigger on the deal and not look back
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be great to parlay Rudy into Devin
but I don’t see that happening without moving Bayless as well (strictly from a value standpoint). We wouldn’t have that need anymore, and another team would value Bayless more (and for good reason, same reason we’d value Conley more the Memphis does if they draft Rubio).
Does Rudy and Bayless and #24 equal Devin Harris? It’s pretty close, but it’s still an automatic deal from our perspective.
by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends a bit on if we would think he could put up the same numbers in our system
With Roy instead of Carter next to him, who I would say controls the ball more than VC. It was clearly a career year for Harris in about every statistical category. In PER and VA he was a top 20 player.
by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
but Harris’ value is just as much tied to his defensive abilities as his offensive ones. In the past he has also proved to be a decent spot up shooter (he shot 36% from 3 in Dallas as a spot up shooter). His ability to control the ball and penetrate would give Roy a nice break obviously, and would provide us an opportunity to better use our second unit as not so much an entirely different unit, but a break down of parts from the first unit and fits from our top 3 or 4 bench players.
by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 19, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless certainly wouldn't "hold up" the deal
But like I wrote above, I don’t buy into the “if Harris comes then Bayless has to go”
I think it would just change the focus on Jerryd’s development if Harris was added to the mix at PG. There would be no rush to get Bayless up to speed re: running the offense, He could play alongside Harris, Blake or Roy and fill in the “extra” guard minutes. In a years or two it may be time for Blake to move along, then you’d have a Harris/Bayless PG rotation to go along with Roy? Not too shabby
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'd need to see the actual deal you'd put together
Because if we’re getting Devin Harris Bayless is more expendable than Rudy is. If you can do a deal with just Bayless and parts that would be preferable to Rudy and parts. I think to get a player of Harris’ value you probably have to give both of those guys up though. And I’d still do that because Harris would help us that much.
by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a deal with just Bayless and parts that would be preferable to Rudy
Well, sure. But I don’t think the market for Jerryd is anywhere near what Rudy’s value is. ggassen put a lot of work into his proposal, but if the GM that KP’s talking to says “sorry, we need Rudy or no deal” then no amount of “Bayless has potential” rhetoric is going to sway the argument
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the start
getting Harris without giving up LMA has been the goal. I’m for anything that makes that goal a reality.
by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy will not be a blazer
If KP gets the right offer, simple as that.
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 19, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you could say that about every single player on this team
by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess so.
I still think Rudy is more movable than people think. Personally I don’t care if Rudy gets traded, so long as we get a starter of equal value in return.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 19, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd specify the point guard position.
Anywhere else it’d be a waste.
by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SF might not be a waste.
Batum looks good, but a lot of his value is still wrapped up in potential. I would be willing to trade Rudy for a defensive minded small forward which would let Batum ease into his development. He’s probably still in the bottom 3rd of starting small forwards and it would be silly to stall the Blazers development as a team for the next two years just so Batum can get minutes as a starter.
I think we are past the development stage and have moved on to winning in the playoffs now stage.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 19, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the stage we're in now
doens’t it make more sense to move Batum than Rudy? If we’re in win-now mode Rudy is 3 to 4 years ahead of Batum. If you went after the type of SF you describe than Rudy would fit better with both those wingmates than Batum would.
by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it works the same for Batum.
Batum’s value in a trade is probably less than what he gives the Blazers right now. Rudy’s trade value is so high I think he might be able to land a legit starter, hopefully at PG. If Batum’s trade value was higher I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 19, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heres an idea on how to get Devon Harris
First we need to get into the top five of the draft, Washington out of all those teams is the most likely to deal, so that’s who we trade with to get a top five pick.
To add to our arsenal, before we make any deal, we go out and But New Orleans first round pick which is #21. Now we are ready to go.
To Washington:
Travis Outlaw 3.6mil
Our Cap Space 6.7 mil
21st Rd pick
24th Rd Pick
To Portland:
Etan Thomas 6.86 mil
D. Stevenson 3.616 mil
5th pick
Now Washington wants a Vet that helps them win now, they also want to shed a bad contract to save money. We really don’t have a great veteran that fits exactly what they want, so in this deal we make up for it with two extra picks for some cheap help, and most importantly taking another bad contract off their hand is Stevenson. We get what we want because we get the 5th pick.
Now to the trade with New Jersey:
To Portland:
Devon Harris 8.4 mill
Keyon Dooling 3.3 mil
To New Jersey:
Etan Thomas 6.86 mil
Steve Blake 4 mil
Jerryd Bayless 2.14 mil
The 5th pick
2010 1st rd pick
This works for New Jersey because they get the 5th pick to go with the 10th pick in the draft. I believe with one of those two picks they will get a PG to replace Harris, so in theory they do not have to replace him via the trade. They also get a player in Bayless who is young and very talented (and cheap) and can play either the 1 or the 2. They get Steve Blake who could run thier PG position for a year (they can not release him becasue this deal would have to take place after the draft becasue we would not be able to trade Etan Thomas for a month after we aquire him I believe) Etan Thomas along with Blake have contracts that expire after this year giving them cap space to go after big time free agents.
We like this because we get Devon Harris, and Keyon Dooling to be the backup (The Nets trade Dooling becasue that would be another 3.3 mil that comes off the books for them after this year) The only sucky part about this is having to deal with Stevenson contract, but it would be worth it if we could get Harris.
Our Lineup:
PG- Harris/Dooling/Whoever replaces Sergio
SG-Roy/ Fernadez/Stevenson
SF-Webster/Batum
PF-LMA/ PF we get using Ike Diogu trade exception
C- Oden/ Pryzbilla
Any other ideas on how to get Harris?
by ggassen85 on Jun 19, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice job
My first observation is that NJ would choke on Etan Thomas’ contract
by two4larue on Jun 19, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would only be 1 year
in the long run they save money, and they get the cap space they want in 2010
by ggassen85 on Jun 19, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Etan is an expiring deal
and that is what the Nets want (outside of cheap young talent). I think that’d be a go from all the teams IF the Nets really did want to move Harris for a top pick.
by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won't have cap space until july 1
Until then we are over the cap and only have a trade exception and Blake/Trout to offer for immediate cap relief in a trade. I think you could make the initial trade with Washington work by drop stevenson and replacing our cap space4 with the Ike trade exception.
by NWfan on Jun 19, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
real question is - are you willing to trade Batum?
Come on let’s face it – Net’s GM is not named Chris Wallace (Griz GM). He’s gonna ask for a very HIGH price for Harris. Rudy + Bayless is probably not high enough. How about Rudy + Batum + Bayless? Are you willing to do that deal? Assume we also deal away Sergio, next season depth chart will be like:
G: Harris / Roy / Blake
SF: Webster / Outlaw
PF: Aldridge
C: Oden / Przybilla
Maybe Sergio can be traded for a backup PF, or KP can use Outlaw/Sergio plus some other chip to swing another deal to bring in a starting SF.
What do you think? It’s a very high price but I will be really tempted…
by iverigma2 on Jun 20, 2009 1:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
for one Harris.... sure.
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by faith on Jun 20, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of all of the posible tradable PTB players
Outlaw, Blake, Webster, Sergio, Rudy, Bayless, Batum, I would have the hardest time seeing Batum go. I think he has the most upside of everyone on the list that we really “need”. He also plays the best defense of everyone on the list also.
To summarize: Wade too quick, Kobe too skilled, LeBron too physical - Batum
by Ltlgto on Jun 20, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much young talent for one guy in my opinion.
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by Seijeff on Jun 23, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Jersey would need more than just Rudy to deal Harris.
I supposed it’s possible to get him, but it would probably gut our roster, as not only would NJ need value for Harris, but the team ahead of them in the draft would need need some players too. To get Harris this year I’m guessing the only way we could do it is at least 2 of LMA, Rudy, and Batum are gone, and maybe Bayless or Przybilla too, when considering we have to deal with 2 teams to get him. That would hurt. Harris is an all-star talent, and they arent gonna give him up for just a first rounder and young players. They will want at least one player who is a proven contributor.
by dario argento on Jun 20, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would do the deal for Harris with one difference.
If the Nets are looking for cap space and we can deliver a top five pick plus Bayless, why would we need to give them Rudy as well? I simply don’t understand why people keep putting Rudy’s name out there as if he’s Channing Frye.
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by Seijeff on Jun 23, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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