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2009 Blazersedge Mock Draft:  Friday

Welcome to the 2009 Blazersedge Mock Draft.

We're trying something new this year.  We're having the GM's conduct all of their business in public in these threads.  That way you will hear their reasoning and the trade talk that goes on.  Few of these trades will actually go through, but it should be interesting to peruse the chatter.

You are also free to comment on trade proposals with a couple of guidelines:

1.  You may talk about the merits (or lack thereof) of a trade but you may not attack the GM who proposed it any more than you would attack anyone else at Blazersedge.  That means no, "This trade is ridiculous/stupid/idiotic because..." posts.  Just post everything after the "because" and call it good.  These are readers like you trying hard to do a good job.  Be nice to them.

2.  The GM's have been instructed to use the comment title "Attention [Team GM]" to signal other GM's that they're intersested in talking.  Please do not mimic that title, even in jest.

Enjoy the proceedings.  Here's your GM list:

  • Boston Celtics  (no pick)  DocProc
  • New Jersey Nets  b-roy07
  • New York Knicks  As11osu
  • Philadelphia 76'ers  Terryisn'tbald
  • Toronto Raptors  Salem Stephen
  • Chicago Bulls  Himynameisjoey
  • Cleveland Cavaliers  52theRim
  • Detroit Pistons  ThomasIkehara
  • Indiana Pacers  RaggMopp
  • Milwaukee Bucks  TheOdenator
  • Atlanta Hawks  Hoopla-pdx
  • Charlotte Bobcats  Charon
  • Miami Heat  (no pick)  Limited Upside
  • Orlando Magic (no pick)  Mittasabishy
  • Washington Wizards  Derftron
  • Golden State Warriors  Momomoses
  • Los Angeles Clippers  JC Burg
  • Los Angeles Lakers  Timbo
  • Phoenix Suns  JKSnake99
  • Sacramento Kings  Garden of Oden
  • Dallas Mavericks  Norsktroll
  • Houston Rockets (no pick)  Supremepuntiff
  • Memphis Grizzlies   Bakasama
  • New Orleans Hornets  Arthur Schoene
  • San Antonio Spurs (no pick)  Myemic23
  • Denver Nuggets (no pick)  Royster
  • Minnesota Timberwolves  Baduk
  • Oklahoma City Thunder  GreatOden'sRaven
  • Utah Jazz  RoyGoestheDynamite
  • Portland Trail Blazers--The Readers of Blazersedge

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

P.S.  There were so many good submissions to become a GM that I had a hard time narrowing them down.  In the end I gave pretty heavy preference to the people who submitted in the actual site thread, as they tended to be more regular readers.  (Also I suspect that since I read the public thread first and most of the salient points were made there the e-mail submissions began to look old-hat.)  I also chose a couple people just because they were brief, or contrary to the prevailing opinion, or otherwise quirky.  If you didn't get it, that's not an insult at all.  There were near 200 submissions for 29 spots.  I'm not saying these were the best 29, they were just 29 of the good ones. 

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congrats to you all

even the ones that get to be gms for teams with no picks, and are going to just watch the draft.

fire nate before its too late

by pipgras on Jun 19, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions  

You sure?

They’re prime candidates for draft-day trades to get into the game.

by Timmay! on Jun 19, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

ATTN. DAVE...

Just had an idea — you might want to take that list of names of people who wanted to participate and assign 30 as “substitutes” to make the pick in case the “GM” can’t be reached by phone… Something might come up for a couple people, it happens.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 19, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep

there also prime candidates to take a nap on thursday

fire nate before its too late

by pipgras on Jun 19, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can I play the role of Stephen A Smith?

Quite Frankly, the Portland Trail Blazers have no idea what they are doing right now.

Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
"Nice Signature" - Claire

by cloudydays on Jun 19, 2009 12:36 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You're missing about 72 exclamation points.

A three-pointer is not a "triple." A triple is a hit in baseball.
A three-pointer is not a "trey." A trey is either an ESPN sportscaster or something that bad spellers eat cafeteria food on. - Dave on Mar 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT

by GustyJ on Jun 19, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will likely make some attempts to move up

But before that I need to continue to browse some Mavs boards to identify the biggest needs. It of course also depends a bit on if I’m confident Kidd can be re-signed, otherwise that changes plans.

Anyway, while I probably won’t be able to top landing Josh Howard at #29 or a draft day deal for Devin Harris (or maybe I can? Washington, here we go again), I feel confident that I and the Mavs can improve from the otherwise horrible draft history of the last decade. Featuring names like Nick Fazekas over Marc Gasol, Maurice Ager, Pavel Podkolzine, trading away Delonte West, trading away Etan Thomas, Courtney Alexander, …

Happy drafting to all

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 12:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Reminder to all GM’s

and just so the public can hear it too… This project is about the draft, not about entire teams being overhauled. Any trades that are discussed should mostly center around draft picks with enough additional thrown in to make those draft pick trades plausible. They shouldn’t center around other assets with a draft pick thrown in to make it fit into this exercise.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 19, 2009 1:02 AM PDT reply actions  

yeah, sorry

just re-read the instructions.

by jksnake99 on Jun 19, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

What exactly are the rules for this?

ALL GM activity must be one these boards? Does that mean that no GMs can get away secret trades that they pull with their picks after the pick is made?

Or can some trades be set up through email between teams so that they can have some sort of advantage of missing information?

Do we know when the fake draft date is? I’m assuming it is a couple of days before the actual draft.

Who is The Readers of Blazersedge?

This looks pretty cool!

by staylost on Jun 19, 2009 1:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Answers:

—Right…no secret trades. Those probably wouldn’t be allowed anyway. We try to limit trades because otherwise everybody wants to make one. 30+ trades make the process into a farce. So we just assume that most GM’s know what other GM’s are talking about anyway. This is an experiment we’re trying for the first time this year. It lets you into the conversation. We’ll see how it works.

—The BE Mock Draft will be Tuesday.

—The readers of Blazersedge are you guys. The draft will stop for an hour or two on Tuesday to allow you to vote on the Blazers’ draft pick. Other GM’s can also offer potential trades for you to comment on in these threads. (Or you can offer trades to them.) Those trades won’t actually be consummated in our mock draft unless the Blazers make a trade before Tuesday. It would be too distracting for a Blazer-centric site to have the Blazers drafting at a fictitious spot. However they can generate discussion and we might do a “What if?” post encapsulating the best of them when the mock draft is through.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 19, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Tuesday should be fun then.

by staylost on Jun 19, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Dave for letting me GM *The Sacramento Kings*

I’m not too interested in Ricky ‘European’ Rubio if he was to fall to me the Euro’s in previous drafts have underperformed if taken high in the draft. I was thinking ,

Darko Milicic 2nd overall pick in 2003, Nikoloz Tskitishvili 5th overall pick in 2002

we really are looking for a point guard but there are lots of point talent in the draft.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 1:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Not saying Rubio is a bust but if he fell to 4 it wouldn't be automatic,

I will not be trading up.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gasol with the 3rd after Kwame Brown

Drafting european players after potential is not a great idea, drafting them after great seasons is a good idea

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 19, 2009 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio had large turn over rates.

He does shoot well last year but he is still considered to have a slow release the opposite of what Rudy has
Right now we don’t even know if he will get out of his contract this year. and we can’t assume it will no as nicely as Rudy’s situation went for the Blazers.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio has more uncertainty the drafting a European big man

According to Hollinger in his Draftable article.
Europe is different then the college ranks, because there have been a lot more statistical work none on kids in college going pro. The variables are better understood and pose less of a risk, both are not perfect of course

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bad comparison

First, those two guys are big men, which tend to be more difficult to evaluate. Second, Rubio has already played against the USA’s best and he acquitted himself very well. Third, his Spanish teammate (I believe his name is Rudy Fernandez) did quite well in the NBA last year. (Come to think of it, so did Pau and Marc Gasol.) I think that dismissing Rubio on the basis of where he played ball could get you fired.

by da34shadow on Jun 19, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio didn't have a great year last year

He is living off his reputation in the Olympic and even the olympics weren’t too impressive. Low shooting percentage. He had poise but he needs to affect the game more. Rubio is about flash and to make money I did say we would consider him. My point was that he is over hyped right now and all the teams interested in trading up for him should stop thinking about it and just let it be ; ) if he drops he drops,

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio didn't have a great year last year

He is living off his reputation in the Olympic and even the olympics weren’t too impressive. Low shooting percentage. He had poise but he needs to affect the game more. Rubio is about flash and to make money I did say we would consider him. My point was that he is over hyped right now and all the teams interested in trading up for him should stop thinking about it and just let it be ; ) if he drops he drops,

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cavs GM checking in...

This is Danny Ferry. I’m locked and loaded with the uh… #30 pick in this draft. Last pick in the first round. This pick is like kissing your sister… your 300 pound sister who smells of old cheese.

My off season plan consists of a simple strategy. WIN NEXT YEAR!!! I can’t count on anything except next year. No long-term planning needed here. If I get myself into luxury cap hell, win a title and keep Lebron… total success. If I mortgage the future, win a title and lose Lebron in 2010… that sucks but I can live with that. Until Lebron re-signs, my title window is next year.

Most of the moves the Cavs will do this off-season will involve moves for veterans. The #30 pick could be thrown into any of these deals to sweeten the pot. Problem is that nobody is going to want #30 (now if it had been #31 there would be interest). Would I sell the pick? Nope! Remember the mantra… Win Now! There are some players that might fill some needs projected to be available. We need to add front court help to foul D Howard 6 more times a game. We’ll also want front court depth to be prepared, in case the Lakers upset the highly favored Blazers in the WCF. We also need players who are good perimeter defenders to help match up against Boston and Orlando with their perimeter shooting.

Could we move up? Not likely. Rookies aren’t going to help us win now. We will use all of our trading chips to get better now. We have large expiring contracts (Ben Wallace), we have partially guaranteed expiring contracts (Pavlovich), we have possible S&T options (Szczerbiak), we have a young intriguing pf (Hickson)…are you listening Blazer fans? We have the MLE. We are willing to move any of them for players that make us better now. That might include Vince Carter, Rasheed Wallace, Yiannis Bouroussis, Shaq (a lot of smoke, not much fire here). We could even take a sniff at ZBo, but that might smell pretty bad. I said win now at all cost, but I’m not sure I really meant it to that extent.

We are likely to be pretty boring on draft night. We will stir things up come July 1st.

by 52therim on Jun 19, 2009 1:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Tony Parker was selected with the last pick of the first round.

Instead of kissing cheesy 300 lbs chicks (or guys, lets not limit one’s choices here), why don’t you consider looking carefully for the shy girl (or guy) standing by the wall behind the 300 pounder? Look past the glasses and the hair done up in an unattracive bun. That chick is hot and only needs someone smart enough to recognize it.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jun 19, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Just saw the condensed coverage of that draft (2001) on NBA TV.

There were a lot of craptastic players taken before Parker. Not only that, but it was reported that Boston liked Parker, but only if a certain player wasn’t available at their pick. That certain player? Joseph Forte. As Carl Lewis would say… Uh oh!

A three-pointer is not a "triple." A triple is a hit in baseball.
A three-pointer is not a "trey." A trey is either an ESPN sportscaster or something that bad spellers eat cafeteria food on. - Dave on Mar 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT

by GustyJ on Jun 19, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

is he related to rapping forte

"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams

"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer

by Fund A Mental on Jun 19, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

[From Utah] If you change your mind...

Utah is offering $2 million for pick #30…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh ya?

Well I am offering 2.1million. HA! You just got Price is Right-ed….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jun 19, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

unless my schedule changes for Tuesday and I’m unable to participate, I think I’ll stay in the game.

by 52therim on Jun 19, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Make sure

you check your salary cap/luxury tax situation first. Not having that guaranteed contract might help or might not.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 20, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tyson Chandler?

Just checking what you would be willing to give up like expiring contracts for TC? As i am have been trying to dumb chandler for about a year now.

by Arthur Schoene on Jun 19, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tyson is an interesting name...

What are the latest reports on his health? How much $$$ is left on his deal? We have an expiring contract in Ben Wallace $14.5M and Sasha Pavlovich at $4.5M (but only $1.5M is guaranteed, you could cut him and instantly save $6M due to being over the luxury cap). I would be hesitant to trade for Tyson until we completely explore our options for Shaq and for Vince Carter.
If you are looking for a pure salary dump, how about a S&T for Wally Szczerbiak? You could sign him for the minimum amount to make a trade work (about 10% less than Chandler’s deal), and then only guarantee the first year. He doesn’t help you much but neither will Ben Wallace or a cut Sasha Pavlovich. You may not have too many other takers out there for Tyson. The whole world knows you were willing to give him away last year… and the Thunder passed on that deal.

by 52therim on Jun 19, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could look at this but Tyson is still a stud Defensive Center

So i think i could get something out of him. The reason OKC cut the deal was his toe not the injury that bother him during the playoffs. So i think i can get something better the Wally for him. I alrealy have a better vision of wally in Pejia

by Arthur Schoene on Jun 19, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Houston: Any interest in McGrady as an expiring contract?

Chandler, despite health isssues, could be a very valuable back-up center for me.

I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson

by supremepuntiff on Jun 19, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

also all gms

Would it be to much to ask for the GM’s to identify their teams in their signature. It might really help when pouring through long trade proposal threads, such as this one. First time witnessing BE mock draft, looks like its going to be a great time.

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on Jun 19, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

To the GM of Portland

The spurs would like to offer Tony Parker and Ime Udoka for Sergio Rodriguez and the 24….

What can I say? I can’t hide the team I really root for.

Seriously though, can I offer to buy a pick(since I don’t have one), or should trades not assume an owner is willing to fork out 3 million? I think I am going to have a pretty boring draft day, but thats ok….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jun 19, 2009 2:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Same for Toronto

Would would you want for the #37 pick?

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where do I sign

done deal I mighr even let you pick any my 2nd rounders also so I dont get the rep of flogging another gm.

I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.

""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."

His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.

by Dragonage on Jun 19, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

In a realistic Proposel to the gm of SA your team is a playoff team but really has no shot at titles anymore. Would you be willing to start your rebuild now and let Parker go to a team(like Portland) where he has a shot? Maybe a Bayless and Batum scenario, possible second rnder and cash. How many teams have waited too long to start there rebuilds and suffered for 7-8 seasons and lost fan base because they could not part with aging stars. Just something to consider.

I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.

""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."

His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.

by Dragonage on Jun 19, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree that they have no shot

If Manu and Timmy are healthy, you might as well pencil them into the WCF, and then who knows. Even a hobbled Duncan still put up monster numbers against Dallas, and they were missing a top 20 player in the league. Hill will be better, Mason will have settled in a little more. I think this is their last shot, but it’s a big enough one that I’d be willing to take given the history of all their guys with the franchise and their success.

by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

no thanks

I actually agree with Royster on this one, I think the Spurs are getting old, but not over the hill. A healthy spurs team is still a scary one in my mind. If a rebuilding effort were to start, it would likely be with Parker as a center piece. He would only be traded if it netted another young, all star caliber player like himself. I think the first move in a rebuilding effort would be to move Duncan for some young talent, possibly Manu as well, but I don’t think the spurs are there yet. I plan on only making minor tweaks in the draft(if any tweaks at all) unless somebody knocks my socks off with an offer(which is not the goal of the mock draft anyway and therefore would probably be Dave-nied)…

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jun 19, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

SA

does not really breed fear into other teams, they do not play with a sense of urgency until late in the season and the health issue is going to get harder and harder for them to overcome.

I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.

""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."

His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.

by Dragonage on Jun 20, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can offer to buy a pick, sure!

A wise GM would look at his cap and luxury tax situation. The smartest move of the draft might be to bail out of it altogether.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 20, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember,

the readership rewards smart over flashy.

Or at least the readership should.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 20, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

To the GM of Spurs

23 is available but it will cost more then 3 million

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 2:36 AM PDT reply actions  

3 million is the limit to purchase a draft pick

"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams

"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer

by Fund A Mental on Jun 19, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Player too

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh Canada...

Toronto’s GM checking in and feeling good about our draft position. There looks to be a very strong run of PG’s before the #9 pick. Fortunately for me, Jose Calderon will man that position for years to come.

It appears that a run of SG’s and SF’s begins at #9 and ends in the mid-teens. It is always nice to have the fallback position of drafting any of the six players that I want in this draft range. Another possibility would be to consider trading down a few spots if it offers me the opportunity to acquire additional picks.

As of right now, I have three plausible trade scenarios. I will submit each one of them as a response to this message.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 2:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Attn: Suns, 76ers, T-Wolves, Hawks (or anyone looking for a PG after the top 8)

If one of the coveted PG’s (Possibly Jrue Holiday, Stephen Curry, Johnny Fynn or Brandon Jennings) is available at #9, the Milwaukee Bucks will almost assuredly draft him at #10 to replace Ramon Sessions. A few teams (Suns (to replace Nash), 76ers (to replace Andre Miller) T-Wolves (if they draft another position with #6) and Hawks (to replace Bibby) might want to make offers contingent on one of those players being available. Depending on how far I would have to trade down (and how good your team is projected to be) I would consider moving down for your pick in the teens + another pick (late first or early second) or future 1st. I could also be interested in a young wing player as the compensation for moving down a few spots in the draft.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Attn: CHI (or any team interested in a player I may draft with #9)

My team needs are pretty obvious. If I keep the pick, I will most likely draft a wing or a center (unless a player is too talented to pass up.) I’m not sure how candid I should be (so I won’t name prospects names) but there are a few select players that I will almost assuredly select (if available.) To the GMs drafting in the 10-20 range. If I take the wing player that you had your heart set on, I will be willing to trade down depending upon who is available at your pick and what you would willing to trade in addition to your pick to move up. CHICAGO: If I take the ideal SG for your team, would you be willing to trade #16 and #26 (provided a player I desire is still on the board at #16)?

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Attn: Toronto

Im haing some difficulty w the numbers, but would you trade out of the draft for Magette?

by momomoses7 on Jun 19, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't fit the rebuilding plan.

I like the wings that are available around #9 more than Maggette. I don’t see Toronto winning in the immediate future, which means by the time Toronto would start contending, Maggette would be around 33-34 years old and making $11M. It makes more sense to go with young talent (staying in the draft.)

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Attn: Toronto

With the potential loss of Ben Godon looming, we of course have interest in adding depth at the shooting guard position. While we like James Harden in particular this draft, we’d also have interest in Gerald Henderson, Tyreke Evans, and to a lesser extent DeMar Rozen.

The tricky point is, we feel we could also use depth in the frontcourt as well. We may have to simply choose between the two with the player we like most…

We will certainly consider this offer.

by himynameisjoey on Jun 19, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Attn: Blazer Fans (or anyone interested in a backup PF)

With the recent acquisition of Reggie Evans (and both Bosh and Bargnani on the roster) there is little need for last years second round pick Nathan Jawai. While not a trendy acquisition, Jawai’s post offense and rebounding combined with his physicality and toughness, Jawai may be a solid backup PF for a team that needs a bruiser. Would Portland (or any other team) be willing to trade an early second round pick for Nathan Jawai (provided that a player Toronto desires is still available at that pick?)

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

No thanks

We’d prefer our assets and cap space as of now

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 19, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Andrea Bargnani is a natural PF

Ideally, you would hope to keep Bosh, but if he does end up leaving, Bargnani would move from Center to PF and then Toronto would look to acquire a center.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about Gortat?

I know this line of thinking is possibly off-topic since he’s a free agent and this thread is about drafting, but this kind of discussion factors into who might want to draft.

There aren’t any centers in this draft which do much for me.

by torsoheap on Jun 19, 2009 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gortat would be a nice option...

At center if Bargnani has to move over… and with $10M cap space, Toronto will likely consider going after him. But the main focus will be to surround Bosh with enough young talent to convince him that he can win in Toronto. Bargnani’s opposition was more of a mismatch when he was playing SF. He really started to blossom when he moved to center.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alternative question: Are you better off trading Bosh now?

Either way, you need help in the frontcourt, as torsoheap suggests.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008 and Steve Blake since two weeks ago.

by Kaboomm on Jun 19, 2009 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh is a bit too big of a name to move in this exercise...

This is a draft simulator. Moving Bosh would make a mockery of this exercise.

Outside of the simulation, the question is valid. I think it depends on what you are looking to acquire for Bosh. Obviously teams that are looking to extend Bosh would much rather acquire him during the offseason. But teams get crazy at the trade deadline. With parody in the NBA today, I think you could get a lot for Bosh auctioning him off to the highest bidder at the deadline.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not a grammatical correction so do not ban me, but

you’re “misspelling” of parity is pretty apt.

I always thought Bosh of a consolation prize for the teams that can’t land LeBron or Wade. Do you think the teams that are making room have targeted Bosh specifically?

by torsoheap on Jun 19, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

Just by looking at recent past drafts, teams that need to “rebuild now” have been known to trade high lottery picks for established stars. Just look at Boston/Seattle’s Ray Allen for (#5) and Washington/Dallas for another (#5).

If a Toronto traded Bosh for a package centering around a high draft pick, it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary, nor impossible to do in the simulator.

by teenagemutantninjabayless on Jun 19, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

In strong draft classes...

That may be an option. In this class, not so much. There isn’t enough talent in this class to warrant trading Bosh for anything but #1 overall. It would be better to trade him at the deadline for a high pick in next year’s draft. Especially since next year’s draft is loaded with PF’s.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Attn: NOH

It is painfully obvious that your team is in need of cash. If you do consider trading the pick, Toronto would be a good trading partner. Obviously most teams would only be able to offer cash, which means if you are willing to trade the pick for cash, it should come down to the team that acquiring talent hurts you the least.

You should know from last season, trading your pick within the conference can really help your competitors (since Portland parlayed the pick into Nicolas Batum.) By trading the pick to Toronto, you would help a team in the opposite conference you doesn’t look to be a championship contender in the distant future. That is the ideal place to trade picks for money.

  1. for $2M cash?

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont think i am going to trade the pick for money

I do need a back up point guard and there a many i can have late in the first round who dont get a big salary

by Arthur Schoene on Jun 19, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Golden State braintrust here...

But who am I? Really? Does anyone know? Let’s just assume I’m Donn Nelson. While the draft is a frustrating distraction from sipping pina coladas on hawaiian beaches, we are a young team in transition with a high lottery pick that needs to be an impact player. Gien recent lottery picks spent on raw frontcourt players Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright and my team’s lack of a true PG, our draft needs are fairly clear cut. With the depth at the PG spot, it is highly unlikely we will need to trade up to get a player that will help our team. Would gladly trade the pick for an experienced starter at the , 4 or 5. Will consider trading down, but it will take some combination of a prospect we like falling and getting an offer that clearly helps our team. Unless you hae a clear goal for the #7 pick assume we will hold on to it

by momomoses7 on Jun 19, 2009 3:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Since you need a PG, I'd like to throw out a scenario

Say Tyreke Evans is still available at #7 along with two desire PG’s. What would it cost to leap frog the Knicks to acquire Evans leaving you with which ever PG the Knicks don’t select at #9? Would you be willing to trade the picks straight up? The advantage would be that you likely still get your player, but you would have to pay him about $2M less over his rookie contract.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Attn: San Antonio and All GM's interested in acquiring a first round pick 23 is available

SA Wouldn’t you be interested in taking the player the Blazers have their hearts set on after last year when they stole Batum from under your nose.

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 3:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Toronto certainly has interest...

But it is difficult to see what you would like in return. With an extremely young roster including: Kevin Martin, Dante Greene, Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes, it appears that your only real need is at PG (which I assume you plan on addressing with your first pick.) Do you know what you would want in addition to cash?

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

no way

norsktroll (kp and a few of the other ptb staffers) want to control the blazers pick i would have never guessed. how else do you think he is on here all day every day???

fire nate before its too late

by pipgras on Jun 20, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

interested.

Possibly looking to combine 2nd rounders to move up. Is that something you would be interested in?

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jun 19, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

No I have the 31 st pick too

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

a tall man 6' 11"-7'0" knows how to play at least aback up under30

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 3:28 AM PDT reply actions  

PBO?

Patrick O’Bryant. Widely considered a bust after being selected #9 overall in 2006. He has actually developed into a serviceable player. He started the last two games of the season last year and won both games putting up solid numbers. He is only 22 (Tomorrow is his birthday so he would be 23.) Would he be enough (in addition to cash) to move the pick?

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

POB played more than 20 minutes three times all year

and barely over a third of the minutes Bayless played, despite playing on two teams desperate for big man help. Characterizing him as serviceable is a little much.

However, as GM of a Nuggets team with the similarly awful Johan Petro as my only depth on the front line behind my three man rotation, I’d give you a 2011 2nd rounder and a case of flying dog for him.

by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness, though

As Nuggets GM, I’d probably offer Sonny Weems and a 2011 2nd rounder for POB. Not exactly a sexy trade and it doesn’t really fit the requirements of having anything to do with the draft, though.

by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Toronto would make that trade...

Especially if there is a chance that he could help me move into the late first round.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 19, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm saying I don't think there's that chance

maybe Nelson hated him, but the fact remains that he’s played fewer minutes in his career than Bayless played last year, and for two coaches that weren’t named Don Nelson last year, managed a total of 250 minutes. That’s not “serviceable”, that’s a stiff.

I mean, the guy was completely healthy and played fewer minutes than Robert Swift. Remember the Celtics cut him basically to add Mikki Moore, who then couldn’t get off the bench in the playoffs despite the Celtics missing two big men. That doesn’t scream out serviceable to me.

by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

ATTN: Toronto
Patrick O’Bryant I will see if anything better comes my way. O’Bryant isn’t what we are looking for we want an impact limited time player someone who has some value already. Check out the link. the incomplete scouting report on this young prospect.

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This move is what I like to call the Offensive Foul was the heading on this before I moved it over here

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 4:26 AM PDT reply actions  

2009 New York Knicks Offseason Priority List

Priority #1 – Get rid of Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries’ contracts.
Priority #2 – Plan on getting two 2010 Max Free Agents (LBJ, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Dirk, JJ)
Priority #3 – Bring in players for D’Antoni’s system
Priority #4 – Bring in a package of cheap players and or picks.
Priority #5 – Use pick #8, Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler to accomplish goals (either as building blocks or trade assets).

Portland Trade Worth Discussing:
Portland Gets: Jared Jeffries and Pick #8
New York Gets: Travis Outlaw, Sergio Rodriguez and Picks #33 and #38

by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 5:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Not that interested in #8

I’d rather keep Travis, Sergio and the picks.

I’m pretty sure we can get a good starting quality player for cap space + picks

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 19, 2009 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe a counter offer?

of sergio, 33, 55, and 56 for #8?

fire nate before its too late

by pipgras on Jun 19, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would help to be reminded of which team you're GM-ing for

Maybe if you all started your posts with “From MAVS:” or “From NETS:” or whatever applies.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008 and Steve Blake since two weeks ago.

by Kaboomm on Jun 19, 2009 5:45 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

agreed

Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.

by trumpetduck on Jun 19, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love timbo GMing the Lakers

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 19, 2009 5:53 AM PDT reply actions  

lol

yea when will he start the discussions for a bynum /oden trade?

I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.

""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."

His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.

by Dragonage on Jun 19, 2009 7:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Since the Nuggets (me)

are listed as having no picks, despite us picking 34th, I can only assume we’re only doing the first round.

I’d think any teams would be able to buy picks, though. It’s not like us being in the draft the last couple years stopped us from buying extra picks, and I’d think your owner of all people would be one of the most willing to leverage his financial abilities.

by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just trying to define the rules here. And Dave replied above to a suggestion for a second round pick trade.

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of trades, though

any interest in giving up the 22, or a later bought pick and Stackhouse’s partial guarantee for Steven Hunter’s expiring/potential medical retirement and Kleiza in an S&T (~3.5 per) to provide a little Josh Howard ankle insurance and allow you to never have to play Singleton?

by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, didn't think so

but I’m a little short on trade assets, and I like either Sam Young or Hansbrough (if he falls) for Denver if they’re around at 22. I hadn’t realized they’d set up the ad campaign for Stack yet, though. I’m looking forward to the eventual craigslist ad. They need to get with the times in Dallas. Who uses flyers anymore?

by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

No second round

You can acquire a pick in any way a normal GM could, with the proviso (of course) that all swaps will have to be cleared by the Draft Integrity Board in order to keep things sane.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 20, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be clear

You can trade away or acquire second round picks in the process. Those are assets just like anything else. But we won’t be mock drafting the second round.

—Dave

by Dave on Jun 20, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Attention: All GMs

The Lakers are shopping the following:

“Bad Contracts”

Sasha Vujacic — $5.04M

Luke Walton — $4.84M

Adam Morrison — $5.26M

“Great Contracts”

DJ Mbenga © — $1M not fully guaranteed

Josh Powell (PF) — $1M not fully guaranteed

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 19, 2009 8:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Attention: All GMs. The Lakers are screwed :)

“The Larry Bird of Towel Waivers” for $5 million. Ouch. Maybe the Knicks might be interested to exchange scrubs for scrubs with shorter contracts.

I expect you to pick up any good point guard that drops to you.

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to conform to BE language guidelines on this topic, but I'll try...

The Lakers are in deep, uh, trouble unless they are willing to go to $90M+18M or whatever to resign Odom and Ariza at the market rate. Having so much money tied up in, ummmm, somewhat ummmm, lesser players is a big part of the problem. This list doesn’t even touch Fisher at $5M, which is beyond his true value also…

THE ONLY THING the Lakers have going for them in this situation is a huge revenue stream — a “revenue river.” But they’re going to be emulating the Knicks here this year or else they’re taking a step backwards. Their depth is greatly overstated and there isn’t much hope headed their way in the draft. All they’ve got is the MLE — and THAT’S gonna be luxury-taxed…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 19, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mean to pile on LA

but not only is their salary situation dire, their “youth” is the other massively overrated aspect in the media. They’re not exactly Boston or SA, but Kobe’s on the wrong side of 30, Gasol’s almost 30, Odom turns 30 this year, and Fisher is obviously ancient. Bynum and Ariza are the only guys under 25 who have really shown anything convincing, and even then, convincing is a stretch to describe Bynum. Unless he steps up in a major way, they should have a better shot at a title in each of the next couple years than anyone else out there, but beyond that, they’ll need to hit big somewhere to stay in contention as Kobe enters his twilight years.

by Royster on Jun 19, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't Buss say that they wouldn't have any problem with spending if there are championships in return?

I don’t think Shasha’s and Luke’s contracts are so bad, it’s just that they are backups, but they’re quite good for 6th-8th pieces.

I wouldn’t make many moves unless something interesting involving the 5 guys you mentioned comes around.

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 19, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember, LAL is DEEP into luxury tax country, so the "reasonable" $5 M for guys like Walton and Sasha is acually doubled — let alone The Stache, who won't play for LA under any circumstances next year.

On the other hand, Mbenga is a legit 6’10" power post player — for $1M. Compare the market on that.

So, you take one “decent” contract for a guy that actually represents twice that to team purple, and select a super cheap big to go along with it, and we flip picks and we’re done.

Lakers have GOT to cut salary with the transaction, however. That is one implicit rule.

The Stache is available for ANY SECOND ROUND PICK.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 19, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I trust you as a Purple and Gold KP

Please guys, don’t hate me, but I believe timbo with the *’s is going to be the best GM around, even if I hate his Sergio comments :P

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jun 19, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Orlando Check check checkin' in

Hey.
Remember us? We’re the best team in the world! Well. Sort of tied for the best. The Lakers are pretty much team 1a, and we’re team 1b. And let me tell you, 1b isn’t that bad.
It feels good to be in this position, but it takes work to stay at the top. It takes a lot of work just to stay at the second top too. But we’re willing to put in the effort.
Maybe you’re willing to put in the effort as well. If you are, we have an exciting proposal for you.
It works like this. You trade us a second round pick. Any pick will do. We can’t give you anything back this year. But next year, watch out! Next year in 2010, we will give a second round pick back, and we will pay you back in spades by giving you a second round pick in 2011! You know how weak this draft is. You want these picks later. You do. And remember, if you give us the pick now, and we give the two picks later, you come out ahead. How do we turn one pick into two picks? Simple. Every team will give us a pick in this fantastic trade opportunity. And you will get your second pick back from us by dealing directly with the other teams in the league to get them give you their pick two years from now. You get our pick from them. That’s how it works.

What’s that?

Pyramid scheme?

I don’t really like that term. And the FTC told us this was fine back in 1979.

So are you ready to deal?

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jun 19, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

We're also looking to move Rafer Alston and the rights to Fran Vasquez.

We’d really like to have the money to resign both Hedo and Gortat.
Moving Rafer (did you see how great he was this year in the playoffs? Well if you missed that display, go to netflix and order up AND1 Mixtape vol. 3, he passes the ball off some chump’s face and Escalade dunks it, it’s sick.) will open up some needed cash reserves, and honestly, why doesn’t Fran want to come over? Maybe some team like Toronto could convince him to come over.
Or maybe San Antonio? We only need a minimal contract to come back, and second rounder around pick 40 so we can snag Pendergraph. We could use a PF that doesn’t shoot threes all day.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jun 19, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

ATTN=Hoopla PDX Atlanta GM

I was just thinking.
Since Bibby will be leaving. And Acie Law stinks. What would you think about Rafer for Speedy and your 2nd round pick.
We could use Speedy since he is on workman’s comp and gets us free money, and you could use Rafer since he is a loose cannon and would fit in great with Josh Smith. Two cats stone cold cold dunkin, and wreckin’ fools with a quickness. Picture that in the ATL. Dirty south all up in that mess.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jun 19, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

We'll certainly keep it in mind

We still believe that Acie Law (heck Portland still thinks Balyess can play PG without looking up) and we’re hoping to resign Bibby (or sign another veteran PG).

That said, a second round pick and (essentially) cash aren’t a bad deal for a service-able borderline starting PG.

I’m not likely to make any moves before draft day, and that one would have to wait until after the first round.

by hoopla-pdx on Jun 19, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Attention: All GMS (Let the Ricky Rubio Sweepstakes Begin)

I, the Memphis Grizzlies, am willing to deal any of our picks, only if the one of the following are met:

1) Low post scorer
2) Low Post banger who can rebound and Block Shots

Those looking to get into the draft, I have one last first rounder (#27) and one early second rounder (#36)

Ricky Rubio is available for the right offer, and so is Conley.

I will be in touch with some of you individually to see if we can make something work.

"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda

by Bakasama on Jun 19, 2009 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

[From Utah] Trade Scenario #2...

Any interest?

Hamed Haddadi
Marko Jaric
Greg Buckner
Pick #20

For

Andrei Kirilenko
Pick #20

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

That should say Pick #2 from Memphis...

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am thinking Sign and Trade

Haddadi
Marko
Pick #2 (aprox 4.0 million a year)

For
Sign and Trade Milsap (Aprox 8 Million per year)
Pick #20 (1.3)

OR Trade #2
Haddadi
Marko
Buckner
Pick #2 (aprox 4.0 million a year)

For
Boozer
Pick #20

"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda

by Bakasama on Jun 19, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

[from Utah] Quick "Mock Draft" Rule Clarification...

Can we do sign-and-trade deals?

Because I would happily send Boozer and the #20 to Memphis for Haddadi, Marko Jaric, Greg Buckner, and the #2 pick… I’ve been operating under the assumption I don’t have Boozer to work with…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would love that trade also.

However what is really interesting is the fact that in the ESPN trade machine he is still available to trade. At least I remember him being.

Memphis

"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda

by Bakasama on Jun 19, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

We also might be able to help

The Clippers would be more than willing to consider taking both of the top two picks, and we have several low post scorer types that might be available.

by jc burg on Jun 19, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Suggestions?

Who are you thinking?

I am not to inclined towards Randolph

"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda

by Bakasama on Jun 19, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow that would be interesting...

if clippers traded Kaman and pieces to memphis for the second pick. Clippers would be young and scary

"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams

"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer

by Fund A Mental on Jun 19, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Attention: All GMs

Steve Kerr here again. Contrary to popular belief, the Phoenix Suns will not be selling this year’s first round pick for cash. It will actually take a significant trade offer to move into that slot.

by jksnake99 on Jun 19, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

ah HA!

There’s proof you’re not really Steve Kerr….you are already making WAYYYY too much sense.

by antediluvian on Jun 19, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

[From Minnesota] Attention GMs: Minnesota needs players

It’s a small wonder Tom Penn would rather stay an underling in Portland than be the big chief in Minnesota.

“We” Timberwolves have only seven players under contract for the 2010-2011 season, and that’s if we make a qualifying offer to Sheldon Williams (ha!) and Rodney Carney (a maybe). Of the remaining five, three are guys with recent or ongoing injury issues (Jefferson, Foye, and Brewer), and one of the remaining two is Telfair. Minnesota has one guy who hasn’t been injured and doesn’t clearly suck, and that’s Kevin Love.

Minnesota is not taking trade offers for Kevin Love (or Al Jefferson, for that matter).

Talk about a team that’s going to be active in the free agent market next year. Anyway, we need to get some building blocks.

Mike Miller’s talent and 9.75M expiring contract are available for decent young players and /or picks. Brian Cardinal’s $6.75M expiring contract and lack of talent are available for young players and/or picks also.

by baduk on Jun 19, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

[From Utah] Trade Scenario #1...

Proposed trade…

Andrei Kirilenko
Pick #20

for

Mike Miller
Brian Cardinal
Pick #6
Pick #28

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

[From Minnesota] Appreciate the Offer

Always glad to hear from the folks in the great state of Utah.

Andrei is a very nice player, but at 28 he’s in his prime right now and wouldn’t be a good fit for our team, given how young we are and how we’re likely to get younger before we get better, with three picks in this year’s weak draft and likely a top five pick again next year.

We would certainly be willing to give up Miller and the #18 for Ronnie Brewer and Harpring’s contract though. Mike is a great rebounder at the 2, and would let you shed Korver (or pair them up if you like), and he deserves to play for a playoff contending team. This could be your year, with Mike’s contributions.

So, a counter offer:

Mike Miller
#18

for

Ronnie Brewer
Matt Harpring

by baduk on Jun 19, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

[From Utah] Can the #28 pick be a throw-in?

You’ve got a deal if we can also take the #28 pick off your hands…

Counter-counter offer:

Mike Miller
#18
#28

for

Ronnie Brewer
Matt Harping

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Attention GMs:

As a team trying to rebuild and cut costs for the 2010 offseason, Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton are avaliable for expiring contracts, young talent and/or picks

-Joe Dumars

bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby

by thomasikehara on Jun 19, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm

Hey Joe. Rip Hamilton you say? We could maybe do business. Our pick’s definitely on the table, let me know what else you like. Why don’t you, me and Oakley get together for a game of cards or eight?

Oh hey, remember that time I kept Isaiah off the Dream Team? God that felt good.

— Michael Jordan, Charlotte Bobcats Shadow GM

by Charon on Jun 19, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, obviously, you have a lot of young talent

since we are loosing sheed and mcdyess, we could use a big.

What would it take to get Emeca Okafer?

bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby

by thomasikehara on Jun 19, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't think we can part with Emeka at this time

But if you’re considering a youth movement, some good frontline prospects should be available at the 12.

You know Rip needs a change of scenery. How about the 12, plus Raja Bell and Alex Ajinca, who both come off the books in time for 2010?

by Charon on Jun 19, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I might be willing to swap #8 for #12 (I'm the Knicks GM)

if you included Ajinca. That’d put you in ideal position for the last elite caliber SG prospect.

by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd do that

but it doesnt work, you would need to give me almost 3 million more

The new GM of the Detroit Pistons
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby

by thomasikehara on Jun 19, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about $3 million in cash?

And maybe instead of giving you a pick taking one to keep more money off your books for 2010?

by Charon on Jun 20, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Attention all GMs

I’m the Philadelphia 76ers GM. I’m just checking in and confirming my awesome status. It feels weird referring to another team in the first/third person (I’m often reluctant to say “we” about things the blazers do) but I’m trying some method acting to get into the GM mindset.

I have the 17th pick and no expiring contracts for next year. So if anyone doesn’t want cap space for the epic 2010 class but wants13mil off the books in 2011 I have a Dalembert that you would absolutely love.

by terryisntbald on Jun 19, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

[From Dallas] Attention Indiana Pacers GM: Any interest in moving Tinsley and your #13 pick for Stackhouse to save a lot of $$$?

This is not yet an official trade offer, just exploring your interest. We know you have been desperately trying to move Jamaal Tinsley, have sent him home for the whole last season, have removed his nameplate from his locker and never want to see him again. We also know he has sued you together with the players association to either play him or waive him if you can’t get a deal done, and if an arbitrator forces you to waive him you will sit on his remaining salary because no team will pick him up off waivers.

The deal would work under CBA rules/trade machine, and you could save ca. $5 million instantly this year by renouncing Stackhouse’s only partially guaranteed contract before August 10 and $13 million over the remainder of Tinsley’s contract ($7,200,000 + $7,650,000 – $2 million guaranteed to Stackhouse). Basically we want to save you a lot of money from a player who has burned all bridges with you and be compensated for our troubles. Our team is experienced in rescuing players with some character issues, our chemistry is strong.

Also, you screwed us a bit last year by trading us Shawne Williams who you wanted to get rid of (now we know why) for Eddie Jones and two second round picks including this year’s #52. So you owe us anyway :)

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

[From Indiana]

Thank you for your expressed interest in “helping” us out. Because trades in Basketball mean never having to say you’re sorry, we hope that you enjoy the effort that Mr Williams brings to the table on a daily basis.

That said, we have current plans for our pick at 13 and have no interest in a trade that does not return us a comparable pick.

Please leave any further message after the beep…

Beep

Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?

by raggmopp on Jun 19, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Short tactical explanation for any interested readers. I think we can explain our reasoning a bit - latest after the mock draft)

In real life I expect quite a lot of interest for the big expiring deals of the Mavericks (Dampier, Stackhouse as said also not fully guaranteed). But rather than trying to move them for a draft pick, it’s more likely that they will be used to acquire an established player later in a trade with a team that is not happy with a current player and their salary situation. Say Shaq or Josh Smith. But since that is not the purpose of this mock draft, I’m trying to find a nicer pick for that. We will see how it turns out.

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

Your reasoning is sound and it was certainly worth a shot. We reserve the right to revisit a similarly smelling trade at some future date :)

Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?

by raggmopp on Jun 19, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

From OKC GM:

Pick #3 is on the table, just as it is in real life. I will be picking at that position unless something better is offered. I am looking for a big man or a all star slasher at the #2.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 19, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

question for anyone who knows the answer

how exactly does trading for a BYC player work. If i get an offer that involves one, how do I get the salaries to match up?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 19, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

you dont

we may not hae the finances soled by draft day ;)

by momomoses7 on Jun 19, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

also..

what are the trade value in monetary asset of picks? Can we factor that in when we trade?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Picks (= draft rights to a player) count for 0 dollars before they are signed to a contract in trades

Same with our unsigned draft picks. They count as a cap hold during the off-season, but not for trade purposes.

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73

It’s fairly complicated. In essence a player with BYC status (which will remain so until June 30 – so after the draft) only counts 50% of his actual new bigger salary for trading purposes to fill a loophole of “designing” contracts so they just fit under the cap. You would use your own player’s BYC value and the other player’s full salary, making it more difficult to match trades (more players or a third party often have to be involved).

The trade machines should factor that in and tell you when a deal fails. ESPN e.g. indicates BYC players and shows by how much the deal failed. It’s a bit trial and error with poison pill and BYC players.

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a great trade in mind IF the players get drafted the way they should

but I cant figure out a reasonable BYC trade.. since both are over the cap.. stupid CBA

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 19, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Attn: Milwaukee and NJ

Is there a player you like enough at #7 to moe up? This would of course be contingent on my being able to get a PG at your slot, but that seems to be a reasonable scenario

by momomoses7 on Jun 19, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Hm... possibly.

Let me know what your offer is. I would definitely be interested in moving up, depending of course on what you are proposing.

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by TheOdenator on Jun 19, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

[From Utah] Is the pick for sale?

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Naw cause i need to find depth

Plus i got to get rid of some big contracts and the #21 pick is not a big contract.

by Arthur Schoene on Jun 19, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

from a quasi-Hornets fan… you guys have to get an athletic frontcourt player. CP3 can make anyone look good.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 19, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Spurs Gm here...

Supposedly there have been some rumors of a Manu trade. I personally don’t believe it, but just for fun, make me an offer!

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jun 19, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

ATTN: Memphis Grizzlies

I know you said you were looking for a low post scorer and a rebounder/shot blocker. I think that Randolph really could help with two of those three. I know he brings no shot blocking, but could perhaps be a good fit down low next to Gasol. I’d be interested in taking the number two pick off your hands and absorbing Greg Buckner and Marko Jaric.

I offer Randolph because he’s the scorer you mention, but I’d be willing to consider Camby as well.

by jc burg on Jun 19, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I am interested

If Camby can be invovled somehow.

What do you think about Al Thornton being involved since you are going with griffith?

"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda

by Bakasama on Jun 19, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm very hesitant to move Thornton

I don’t see Al and Blake competing for minutes, but I would consider putting him in if I were getting something better back. And I’d much rather move Randolph than Camby. Having said that, what do you think about this trade:

Thornton
Camby

for

Jaric
Gay
Pick #2

by jc burg on Jun 19, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is steep

That is steep, Not sure if Mayo can carry the Team just yet.

What would you want for Randolph?

And instead of Thornton how about Kaman?

"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda

by Bakasama on Jun 19, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

For Randolph

Jaric
Buckner
#2

Kaman is a lot more expensive than Thornton, so it would be harder to do him in addition to one of the other guys. He would instead be a centerpiece, and any deal that would have been possible with only Camby is very likely to work with only Kaman.

by jc burg on Jun 19, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can send you a Tyson Chandler if interested?

He is everything camby is but younger and could grow with your young team

by Arthur Schoene on Jun 19, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting....

What are you looking for?

Memphis

"Do or Do not there is no Try"
Yoda

by Bakasama on Jun 19, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would want Darko, Arthur, and the number 27 pick

As i am wanting to save money but also be able to restock with young players. This will also give you more options with the number #2 pick as you would have Chandler.

by Arthur Schoene on Jun 20, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Washington Wizards Gm here

I havent had a whole lot of time to check my payroll, or what other picks I have besides #5 because I actually have to work during the day. So expect that I will do most of my dealings in the late afternoon/evening hours.

What I will say is this. Im looking to use the #5 pick, but with the right package I could possibly be swayed. I like Caron Butler…… a lot. Jameson is on the market, but not for table scraps.

Hibachi is off limits, we just paid him and he is finally healthy.

I will talk about anybody else, but dont try and play me for the fool. I know my ish.

talk soon GM’s

derftron

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And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jun 19, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Attn: Cleveland GM & Wizards GM [from Utah]

3-team trade proposal…

Cleveland
Out: Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, Pick #30
In: Antawn Jamison, Nick Young, Matt Harping

Washington
Out: Antawn Jamison, Nick Young, Dominic McGuire, Pick #5
In: Andrei Kirilenko, Pick #20

Utah
Out: Andrei Kirilenko, Matt Harping
In: Pick #5, Pick #30, Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, and Dominic McGuire

Anyone interested?

Cleveland gets a second scorer and active Power Forward in Antawn Jamison, a bigger shooting guard to rotate with Mo Williams and Delonte West, and some toughness in Matt Harping at the cost of a guy who is out of the rotation and Ben Wallace (who may retire).

Washington gets a flex-forward in Kirilenko who can make up for some of the defensive shortcomings of the roster and fill Jamison’s vacated role at Power Forward… The #20 pick can address any depth issues you might have at shooting guard (assuming you aren’t madly in love with Nick Young)…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jun 19, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt Washington likes that deal, but they aren't my team to GM...

Looks like the Wiz get straight robbed though. I don’t know if the Wizards trade Jamison for AK47 and #20 all in its lonesome….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jun 19, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I was the Cavs...

and I am, I would surely be interested in something like this. I don’t know that Jamison addresses our need of getting tougher. I like Nick Young as a perimeter defender. I’m not sure a deal like this would even need to include Utah. If Washington is looking to move these pieces and want to save cap space, we probably swing a 2-way deal and leave Utah out.

by 52therim on Jun 19, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washington GM here....

Are you sure you didnt mean to throw in Deron Williams?

No thanks. Besides the fact that Jameson is worth more than AK47 & the #20 by himself, I actually like Nick Young and what I can get with #5.

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And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jun 19, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mavericks GM here, attention Wizards GM

Would the Wizards potentially be interested to move PG Mike James (1 year left $6.5 million) and forward Darius Songaila (2 years left $9.3 million) and your #5 pick for Jerry Stackhouse (1 year left, $7 million but only $2 million guaranteed when waived by August) and young prospect Antoine Wright (1 year left $1.8 million) and #22 pick and $3 million in cash coming back to you? The deal would look like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nd6jn6

When waiving Stackhouse (your choice) you would instantly save over $6 million in the first year in salary, and ca. $12 million over the full time of the contracts. Plus the cash. You would also get our 25 year old playoff starter back who at 6’7’’ has played both SG (most of the time) and SF for us, and who will be a free agent after the following season you would be free to re-sign him or let him go. You said in the past a rookie wouldn’t crack your rotation looking to make a run with the Big 3 for the playoffs, but those players could. Wright could back up both Caron Butler and Nick Young.

Alternatively DeShawn Stevenson could be included from your side (2 years left $8 million) instead of Songaila which also works on the trade machine http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mvuowf but wouldn’t save you quite as much money. And I assume you could move him in a separate deal later in the offseason if desired without bundling him with another contract. I also assumed you would prefer to keep all of your young players on decent contracts (Young, Crittenton, Blatche, etc.).

Let me know if you would be potentially interested in this deal, or suggest your own. Remember we had good business relations in the past when we sent you Antawn Jamison.

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wizards GM here

I am very potentially NOT interested.

Is Jerry Stackhouse even alive? Antoine Wright is ok, but even in this draft I think I can get a quality player with the #5 that is better than him.

The $3 million is a nice sweetener to the deal, but I still value my #5 pick more than the corpse of Stack and Toine Wright.

Remember, I (speaking as the Wiz GM) havent completely started shedding salaries and gone into rebuilding mode. With Gilbert Arenas and Brendan Haywood healthy to start this year plus improvement from Nick Young, I think this team can be a top 4 Eastern Conference team. We arent in full rebuilding / salary dump mode yet. (not my personal beliefs)

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jun 19, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Wright

But I like that #5 much more. Ill come back at you with something over the weekend

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jun 19, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

From the desk of Chiago's Hope - John Paxson

Our position this year is an interesting one. Not only do we have a major player returning from a down year as well as an injury in Deng, but also a major piece of our franchise for the last few years, Ben Gordon, has supposedly been offered the Farm, the Farmhouse, the Tools, and a Rolls Royce to play elsewhere.

This means we need depth at the 2, and to be honest I would think more than simply depth. A talented, true shooting guard would be a tremendous asset to a team that already has Derrik Rose and Luol Deng. I think it would have the potential of turning a good front court into something special. While John Salmons playing swingman is nice, it is hardly a long term solution to our situation. Therefore acquiring a shooting guard this draft is a priority. A priority which would require us to move up to be able to accomplish effectively.

Chicago also has a well documented and long standing need for a true post scorer. Brad miller is not a solution here, and Tyrus Thomas seems to see himself as more of a jump shooter than a lost post scorer these days. Filling this role might be accomplished by staying at the 16 and taking a risky pick, though there is certainly some value in moving up for this.

We have over $24 million in expiring contracts this season, yet we are still looking to cut payroll for 2010 by trading of Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas(though with Thomas, part of it would be to not have to face the cap hold of his qualifying offer next summer).

The luxury of our position is in it’s flexibility. We have a strong enough young core that we can build through the draft. Assuming we can shed some salary, we would have one of the more inviting situations in terms media market, team talent and cap space to lure in a star next year via free agency. We also have potential to gain through trading some our 2010 expiring contracts to other hopefuls for the free agent market should we not be able to achieve the aforementioned shedding.

In short, here is what we have out on the table right now:

+Pick 16
+Pick 26
+Kirk Hinrich (3y/26.5 mil left)
+Tyrus Thomas(1y/4.7 mil left, QO of 6.25 for next year)

What we would like to get back:

+ a true 2, preferably from this draft class that has a jumper and some mid range game.
+ a pure scoring post player, 4 or 5, ideally who also does a decent job on the defensive boards.
+ expiring contracts to make a run at the 2010 free agent market.

by himynameisjoey on Jun 19, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

You want to deal Ty Thomas? Wizards GM here

I can be your huckelberry.

I’ll shoot you:

Deshawn Stevenson who is on the books for 2 more years at: $3,883,929 and $4,151,786
and
Brendan Haywod who is on the books for $6 Million next year but then off the books in 2010

for

Ty Thomas
and
Tim Thomas
(Im not just trying to grab a monopoly on players with the last name Thomas)

This gives you a nice big man, plus a quality defensive SG. Keep in mind that pure scoring post players are pretty much untouchable.

Trade ID #5124887

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Jun 19, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe that...

all trade scenarios must involve draft picks as well as players…

Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?

by raggmopp on Jun 19, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

ChiTown in the House!

Paxson, buddy, you owe me a few rings so hear me out.

We could use a fella like Kirk Hinrich down here in the Carolinas. Good veteran presence, can swing between the guard spots, exactly what we’re looking for.

Our draft pick is ideally positioned for picking up Gerald Henderson, one of the top pure 2 guards in the draft. Yeah, he’s a Dukie, but I can forgive that. I see a little of myself in the kid.

Nah, I’m just foolin’, he’ll never get close to me. He could do Paxson numbers, though.

So maybe Hinrich for the 12 and, say Vlad Radmonovich? I think he’s like 6-10, he could play the 4 … and this Trade Machine thing says everyone’s a winner in this one! C’mon, let’s talk turkey.

by Charon on Jun 19, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Signed, your ol’ buddy Michael Jordan, Charlotte Bobcats Shadow GM.

by Charon on Jun 19, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aha. Sou you were the one who thought it was a winning move to give Matt Carroll to a deal of $5,050,000; $4,700,000; $4,300,000; $3,900,000; $3,500,000 until 2013 and were happy that at least he accepted a declining scale!

Signed, your old trading buddy who gave Diop the full MLE for the same timeframe

(Man there are some bad deals out there in the NBA)

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could be interest, but not in this exercise

I could see Atlanta being interested in those two guys for Josh Smith (and he might waive-or-lower his trade waiver to go to Chi-town) + Speedy Claxton/Acie Law/whatever, but any draft picks that would be involved would be minor parts of a big deal, so I wouldn’t do it as part of this mock.

by hoopla-pdx on Jun 19, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If preferred

Could send you Raja Bell and Ajinca ($7 mill in expiring contracts) plus the 12 in exchange for Hinrich.

by Charon on Jun 19, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

From that guy who decided paying Luke Ridnour $6.5 mil was a good idea.

Look, I just put together the best team we’ve had in Milwaukee since we had Ray Allen, and everything went to hell in a hand-basket because everyone got injured. Please its really not my fault, I only got here a year ago.

From the franchise that has had arguably two of the best players to ever to play the game in Lew Alcindor (I know I hadn’t heard of him either) and Oscar Robertson (PLAYING TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME!!) comes the draft which we are intimately familiar with.

You want back room deals? We got them. You want Luke Ridnour at 6.5 million a year? Too bad he’s ours. How about a guy who spends his time hitting his head on the rim? Well he sits on OUR bench! Seriously what I am looking for here is a revamp. We know we’ve made some mistakes in the past, but this year we’re coming back with a vengeance like Die Hard.

While sitting at the number 10 spot, we’ve got a lot of room to make some trades. We are looking to move up, back, and out of this draft all together. Our main focus will not be in saving money this year, we are looking forward to a continued commitment to Richard Jefferson. While rumors last year had him on the trading block, let me assure my loyal fan base that those were merely rumors, I would not trade our best player in his prime just for salary considerations. I really thought Raef could play.

When my wife actually called him and cleared up the fact that no he actually can’t, I was pretty relieved that Kevin Pritchard had taken me by the side and explained why I needed to get back on my medication. Whew, close call there.

But anyways, I’m back on my meds, and this Bucks team, couldn’t be in a better position, nor in better hands. With the commissioner enacting a “no big trades on draft day” rule (I think he was looking at me when he said this), this has made things significantly more difficult. So without further ado, this what the proud Bucks of Milwaukee are looking for in a draft day trade.

Our assets:
Joe Alexander (Dude is athletic as heck, would have won the slam dunk contest were it not for some Singing Spaniard getting all the votes) [ed. note: Strong athlete, a little bit of a project, works hard as heck]
Luke Ridnour (Has been pleading with me to let him return to Oregon, something about having a year of eligibility left) [ed. note Puts up decent numbers, is an expiring contract, smart with the ball and gets the ball into the post from the wing with regularity]
Charlie Bell (Said he didn’t want to play in Milwaukee, but we showed him!) [ed. note: Strong leadership presence, is a great back-up SG and has a very reasonable contract]
Dan Gadzuric (That guy offers a bet every year to the GMs’ that he is going to learn how to use hands, and every year the GM make ten bucks off of him, so I want to keep him) (ed. note: Nothing to add here)

What we are looking for:
With Charlie V (of twitter fame) and Ramon Sessions RFA’s this year, we are looking for someone to be able to step in immediately and fill one of these spots. If we are going to step back from the number 10 spot we are going to need to be offered either a scoring PF or a serviceable PG. If we are going to move up we’ve got to be moving up all the way to the number 7 or a closer spot, or we need to see some tangible benefit from the trade.

While we are not opposed to much larger trades or trades with players that were not mentioned above, to make those trades however we would need to definitely see a bit of (maybe ridiculous?) upside on our end that does not include salary considerations. We are not interested in veterans, we’ve got enough of them, we’re generally not interested in projects. We are however interested in getting a decent 6th man.

So to recap:
What we are interested in- (in order)
A decent PG
A scoring PF
or a strong 6th man.

Our owner does have fairly deep pockets, so getting Charlie V and Sessions both back are possibilities, not likely, but they are possibilities, and so if nothing comes our way we have no problem staying right where we are in the draft.

(Entire last portion edited by the Assistant GM’s. Mr. Hammond just wrote Lebron James fifty times, and apparently thought that would be enough).

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From the back of Greg Oden's Franz card: Nickname: Jaws. Has an insatiable desire to tear rims apart while cruising the open court, and was once interested in using head-gear for his profession.

by TheOdenator on Jun 19, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Atnn: Milwaukee

Sessions (S&T) and #10 for Brandan Wright and #7?

by momomoses7 on Jun 19, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

and i have a few trade exceptions to account for the obvious difference in contract sizes

by momomoses7 on Jun 19, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

you can't combine exceptions

unless you have one trade exception that is the same as Sessions contract, you can’t make that deal. Also, you can’t do S&T’s during the draft.

by Salem Stephen on Jun 20, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

FROM OKC to PHILLY

If you are interested in moving up to #3 to get your PG of the future, I have a trade in mind… please let me know

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 19, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

To Orlando, OKC and Chicago GMs

For Orlando: What would you want for Rafer and Franz Vasquez? You know that last piece to your championship puzzle is sitting on my roster waiting for you.

For OKC: I am very intrigued by your mysterious offer. Which of my many impressive assets are you looking to obtain?

For Chicago: Would you be interested in trading Kirk Hinrich for the 17th pick and Willie Green, Kareem Rush or another player? You said you want a 2 guard with size and I have some.

I’m open to any offers, but I’m especially interested in a true pg and Elton Brand is very available.

by terryisntbald on Jun 19, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Orlando & Philly
For Orlando: What would you want for Rafer and Franz Vasquez? You know that last piece to your championship puzzle is sitting on my roster waiting for you.

If I were a real gm for Orlando, I would seriously consider swapping Elton Brand and Rashard Lewis.
Elton would work much better on the Magic spacing the paint with Dwight, and probably teaching him a few moves while he was at it, and Rashard would open things up way more than Kapono will in Philly. Plus, he can actually run like the rest of the sixers. It would be a win/win for both teams.

But for this exercise, the 17th pick for Rafer and Vasquez is really too much to ask for.
I don’t see how Philly would go for it. Unless they lose Miller with no compensation, and don’t feel like Luis is ready for full time PG duty.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jun 19, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

To Philly from OKC

Nick Collison, Thabo Seloshafa, Shaun Livingston and #3 where you MAY be able to get Rubio (your ultimate goal).. for Iguodala and #17.

Of course thats assuming the draft goes as planned. Trade wouldnt happen till after we drafted Rubio. the Mem Gm seems intent on dealing for the spot, so if Rubio isnt there, trade is off obviously.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 19, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

ATTN: Kings

I have a potential deal in the works for the number 2 pick in this draft. It certainly isn’t a done deal at all, but I’m working on it.

I’ve heard that you may be coveting Ricky Rubio, and he might not make it to pick #4. I would be very interested in Pick #4 and something else you might be able to offer if I can obtain pick #2 for you.

by jc burg on Jun 19, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah I am interested in 2 but Rubio is still unconfirmed to even becoming over

Hows a salary swap similar to the Aldridge/ tyrus thomas deal sound
I pay the higher salary and you take the lower pick and the player you are looking for
I toss in a second rounder how’s 31 sound prime spot for non guarnateed salary
Keep the line open

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah ATTN:Clippers

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Jun 19, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds about like what I was thinking

Although I might like to see if there were some other possible assets you had that we might want.

by jc burg on Jun 19, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave

I gotta say.. whiie I like the format of being able to comment on unreasonable trades, since everyone and their mom is doing a nice KP impersonation, its pretty tough to get any deals considered because everyone knows what you are working on. I feel like houstons GM getting hosed by KP and having to pass up on the Roy-Foye deal

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 19, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

ATTN: Hornets, Bulls, Sixers From: Rockets

I’m looking to get in the draft, get a backup center, and shed McGrady’s expiring contract.

I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson

by supremepuntiff on Jun 19, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I am (Hornets) and my proposal is that Trade ID #5125476

I would be able to dump salary in Tyson Chandler, Predrag Stojakovic, and the #21 pick for T-Mac, Brain Cook, And kyle Lowry

by Arthur Schoene on Jun 19, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Boston) - Danny Ainge checking in...

No picks in the first round- and I’m not that anxious to get in..

I look forward to getting another shot next year with a healthy KG.

Wow – I can’t believe Brian Scalabrine makes $3.4 Million and Rondo makes $2 mil

Our depth is questionable – I wouldn’t mind getting some help off of the bench- but I am over the cap by $20 million so I’m pretty handcuffed.

I will not trade Rondo – KG – Pierce – or Ray Allen – they are my ticket back to the Finals in 2010.

by Docproc on Jun 19, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

You already got your #1 pick -- Kevin Garnett.

How’s that workin’ out for ya???

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by timbo on Jun 19, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

—— xoxo, Lakers

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 19, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

P.S. Since you won't be using it again for the next 15 years, can we borrow your Ring Polisher???

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 19, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

To All GMs

If you have some moolah/cap space lying around, we’ve got a scoring and defending big man who could be had for the right price in Josh Smith.

Putting my Rick Sund hat on (IQ draining away), I don’t really like to trade up in the draft, but my kind of guy is up there in Thabeet.

I do have a great history of drafting good players for other people in the 2nd round (Landry and Big Baby two years ago), so let me know if you want to use my 2nd round #19 for a steal.

by hoopla-pdx on Jun 19, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

From: Houston

Would you be at all interested in discussing McGrady/Lowry for Zaza, Smith + 2nd rounder? There would be somne sign and tradin’, and I don’t know if we can do a lot of that.

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by supremepuntiff on Jun 19, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Smith is a pretty valuable guy. He has some head issues, but this is the NBA, who doesn’t. And we want to keep Zaza if we can afford to re-sign him (which we probably can).

We’re trying to keep costs low, so taking on T-Mac doesn’t make much sense in that arrangement.

by hoopla-pdx on Jun 19, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Attention: Dallas GM - Donnie Nelson - Norsktroll

I’ve heard rumors you’d be interested in moving up into the lottery. The New York Knicks would be happy to oblige at the cost of Jerry Stackhouse, Shawne Williams, Matt Carroll (combined they played 470 minutes last year) and pick #22.

You’d move up into the #8 spot and have your pick of a couple superior players, including a couple potential Kidd replacements. For this you’d have to take on Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries. We’d also send you 3 million dollars in cash.

The reason you do this: You move into the lottery and it costs you nothing. Dallas isn’t going to have cap room next summer no matter what they do (unless Dirk opts out). This move will save the team cap space in years 3 and 4 when they might actually be able to use it by taking Matt Carroll off the books.

The reason I do this: I open up 13.4 million dollars in extra cap space for the summer of 2010 (an important summer for the Knicks). That will leave the NYK’s approximately 53 million dollars under the cap.

This would be a post draft deal…

New York Knicks Get:
Jerry Stackhouse
Shawne Williams
Matt Carroll
Pick #22

Dallas Mavericks Get:
Eddy Curry
Jared Jeffries
Pick #8

Eddy Curry wouldn’t be totally useless, as he may in fact be the only interior scorer on that team. The Mavericks leading scorer in the paint last year was Dampier at 4 points per game (yikes! bad).

by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions  

So we would be the team that lands you one or two out of LeBron/Bosh/Amare :)

Your assessment regarding the Mavericks ability to become a major player in 2010 and/or 2011 free agency is not completely correct: Erick Dampier is an expiring 2010 contract (we call him EDEC 2010 for short) worth $12 million because his last year is completely unguaranteed (he has not met certain performance criteria in his contract that would have made it guaranteed). And when push would come to shove, Josh Howard’s last year is a team option, too. The only players under contract then would be Nowitzki, Terry, Carroll, and maybe Barea (also a team option) plus minimum salary cap holds to meet the minimum roster requirements. Leaving roughly $20 million in cap space even if the cap should come down a bit. So it mainly depends on if Jason Kidd gets re-signed and at what price.

But it is an interesting offer that I will need some more time to consider. Is Jeffries completely healthy again following his leg injuries?

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't be the team that gets me one or two max FA's

I can already do that. I need the extra space next year to retool with role players as well as everything else. Unless you completely blow your team up you aren’t getting a 2010 max FA. This gives you the max amount of value you’ll be able to get out of your lame duck players.

What the Mavs would have to give up if they want to be a player for max FA’s in 2010 is Howard, Kidd, Bass, Dampier, MLE’s etc. And that would get you just one max guy. And it probably wouldn’t be a 1a or 1b type guy, because those players would most likely want to come to New York to play with another one, or another team that wants a longer window than the one Dirk will provide. A max free agent for the Mavs in 2010 is a pipe dream, or at the very least a bad idea.

Tell me this isn’t a good alternative…

PG: Kidd / #8 / JJ
SG: Terry / 2009 MLE / Wright
SF: Howard / 2010 MLE / George
PF: Dirk / Bass / Singleton / Jeffries
C: Dampier / Curry

You’re essentially getting the #8 pick in a year you have absolutely no business being there.

Show me the best case scenario for 2010 if you blow the team up going for a max 2010 FA……….

Is Jeffries completely healthy again following his leg injuries?

Jeffries averaged 30 minutes per game in April.

by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

We might have a technical difficulty

Eddy Curry has a Early Termination Option to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason. Of course he won’t use it (there are reports already confirming this), because nobody would give him another contract worth $10.5. and $11 million at the moment. But a player with such a contract can’t be traded between the deadline and July 1st (according to the ESPN trade machine) or until he has exercised/declined the option (according to RealGM). Both trade machines currently block the deal.

Curry is in the last non-exercisable year of his contract and cannot be traded. However, next season is currently an early termination option and if is not exercised, then the player can be traded. – RealGM

 
I’m not sure how such a pre-arranged trade would be handled then. We might have to contact the league office (Dave, Storyteller?) to find out if it could still be done, if we would have to pick for each other and then the deal gets approved later, etc.

I have identified 2-3 players I would potentially be interested in acquiring at #8 should a deal go through. I am also looking into options for a potential three-team deal, but it’s not very likely something will materialize.

P.S.: As for free agents in 2010, there are rumors especially a few players who hail from Texas or more specifically the Dallas Fort Worth region would be highly interested in signing with the Mavericks. We feel we are still an attractive destination because of our play, the climate, tax situation, our state-of-the-art locker room and other perks provided by our owner, the rock star status, the this the that and the other. Because this is Dallas. [Loosely quoting a real radio interview by Donnie Nelson here. The corresponding YouTube video has been deleted.]

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know who you're talking about...

but wouldn’t that be the worst fit in the world with Dirk? Just like Eddy won’t decline his 10.5 million dollar option this year, Dirk won’t decline his 22 million dollar option for 2010.

And yes, the trade would have to go through after the new numbers come into effect. It’s the same as when you draft a rookie and you need his salary cap number included to make a deal work.

by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Attn: Utah

I am willing to move back to your pick, especially if it can facilitate an AK47 for Maggete swap. I have a large number of cheap young players and trade exceptions to fill out the salary difference with. If there’s a package that jumps out at you please let me know

by momomoses7 on Jun 19, 2009 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Greetings

Hey everybody, this is Michael Jordan, Charlotte Bobcats Shadow GM.

First off, let me apologize for my behavior during the 1992 finals. My theatrics were disrespectful and entirely uncalled for.

It just goes to show that, sometimes, the greatest player the NBA has ever seen can so efforlessly obliterate the hopes and dreams of an entire city that he can surprise even himself.

My bad, y’all.

Let me also say, once and for all, it would have been completely wrong for you guys to take me over Sam Bowie. People who suggest such a thing ignore every critical factor leading up to that draft.

Such as, I would have been out of your backwater town as fast as my unstoppable speed could carry me.

Anyway, in my more recent capacity as Shadow GM of the Charlotte Bobcats (we’ve turned a corner — thisclose to making the playoffs this year!) I wanted to outline what I’m going to accomplish in the offseason.

My biggest move will be bringing a solid two guard to town. No offense to Raja … okay, nevermind, plenty of offense to Raja, what we got now ain’t cuttin’ it. I need someone I can mentor, someone who can one day achieve some faint shadow of my magnificence.

I’d also like to obtain a good backup power forward who’ll it’ll take me at least a good 45 minutes to an hour to break down into tears every day at practice.

Sean “Pansy” May’s probably tearin’ up right now. Hell, Kwame’s probably experiencing some chain reaction whimpers without even knowing why.

Anyway, we’ve got a late lotto pick and a lot of young talent available. If you think you’ve got what I need, ring up Oak. If he agrees, we’ll talk about it when I’m between holes.

Just do it!

by Charon on Jun 19, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey, Mike, I've got a pair of shoes I'd like to give my nephew for his birthday, could I trouble you for an autograph?

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by timbo on Jun 19, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

[From Charlotte]: Attention Orlando GM

I’ve taken a shine to that Courtney Lee fella y’all have comin’ off the bench. Anything we’ve got that could pry him off your hands? We could provide picks and a trade exception to help you clear space for resigning Hedo.

by Charon on Jun 19, 2009 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

[From Indiana] Attn: All GMs

In spite of the fact that the rest of the world MAY have forgotten that we exist up here since “The Fight”, we came pretty damned close to making the playoffs this last time and we’re eager to dip our toes in a quick first-round exit.

With that in mind, I will listen to offers for any of my available players, except for Granger, Hibbert and Rush. Obviously, some are more available than others and and I wouldn’t be averse to moving up in the draft. Many trade scenarios would likely have to involve Tinsley in some form or fashion.

Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?

by raggmopp on Jun 19, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

[From Indiana] Attn: NY Knicks GM

I will trade you one albatross (Jamaal Tinsley) for two of your problems (Jefferies and Sene) and swap picks. My 13 for your 8.

It’s not a pretty trade, but did you REALLY think Steph Curry was still going to be available at 8 anyway???

Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?

by raggmopp on Jun 19, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

That hurts me more than it helps me

That is the general direction I’m going in though. The problem with your trade is that I would have less money to work with in the summer of 2010. Here’s the trade I’d do.

Indiana Gets:
Eddy Curry
Jared Jeffries
#8

New York Gets:
Marquis Daniels
Jamaal Tinsley
#13

This trade would have to be executed after the 09/10 salaries go into effect.

by as11osu on Jun 19, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You wouldn’t save any money during the first year, and would have potentially another “Marbury situation”.

- Your friends, the Mavericks (who might not need all that cash coming back from NY)

by Norsktroll on Jun 19, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

(From Hornets) Attn. Washington

I got a trade offer for you. Tyson Chandler for Etan thomas, Darius Songaila, and the #5 pick. Perfect player with as TC like to play D and doesnt need alot of shots. You can put him next to the undersized jamison

by Arthur Schoene on Jun 20, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions  

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