Wednesday Pre-Draft Workout Report
Kind of a media madhouse today as great white hope Tyler Hansbrough conjured just about every sportswriter and television station out of the summer woodwork. Media availability was limited to jumpshooting drills only so apologies in advance for no lengthy first-person analysis. That said, the six guys assembled today were a strong, competitive, NBA-ready group and would seem to fit the Blazers positional needs better than many of the players we saw in previous workouts.
I'll go through each player in turn with thoughts from KP, Chad Buchanan, and Nate along with some brief analysis of my own.
But first, some general thoughts from Kevin Pritchard.
Kevin Pritchard
Koponen and Freeland
KP was asked about a topic mentioned here yesterday: rumors that the team was seriously considering renouncing Koponen and/or Freeland. Asked whether he had made a decision on either of their futures with the team, Pritchard responded, "No. Right now we are so locked in to the draft and focusing on that. We'll have time for that later." No surprise there.
Update: Even more on this issue from Brian Hendrickson.
"We have no plans on letting those guys go," Pritchard said after the Blazers' draft workout on Wednesday.
The thought process behind renouncing the rights to both players would be to extend the Blazers' salary cap flexibility. While Portland can retain their rights indefinitely, the down side is that both players count against Portland's salary cap with what is known as a "cap hold." The two players would have a combined cap hold of approximately $1.5 million this summer, Pritchard said.
Draft Focus
What Pritchard is looking for in this draft started to crystallize a little bit today, helped along by the presence of three 4 year college power forwards who reportedly engaged in a very competitive workout.
"We had a great workout today and I think that the difference in today and what we've had in the past is when you're looking at lottery picks potentially it's all on potential. Today was legitimate NBA guys that could be put on the floor, maybe not have as high a ceiling as some of the others, but definitely an NBA calibre workout today."
Pritchard continued by laying out perhaps the clearest statement yet for what he's looking for in this year's draft.
"You want to add guys that are on a similar timeline of your success or potential success. 4 year guys, especially where we are drafting at 24, we've drafted for potential, we've kind of rolled the dice, asking does this guy have a high ceiling? Right now we want guys that can play. Guys that can step out on the floor and really help us."
Justin Dentmon (5'11" and 185, PG, Washington): Added to today's workout because another player cancelled. No way he is 5'11". More like 5'8". No way is he drafted this year.
Derrick Brown (6'8" and 227, PF, Xavier): There were four guys with similar size today and we'll start with Brown, who seemed to draw the least interest of the four. He is probably the most "combo" of the group and given KP's statements above I think that probably counts against him in terms of how successfully he would fill the needed physical backup power forward role. Brown steadily improved his stats through 3 years at Xavier and was able to guard multiple positions in college. The interest level in Brown did not seem particularly high today; the comparison to Travis Outlaw felt like a death sentence.
KP on Brown
"Derrick was really good today. He can shoot it, he spreads the floor, has a little bit of Travis Outlaw in him because he can put it down and create mismatches because of his size. He was terrific today."
Chad Buchanan on Brown
He's gotten stronger over his career at Xavier. He's definitely drafted. I'm not sure quite where yet.
Cunningham was singled out by Pritchard on multiple occasions today for his good workout, his 4 year college career, his NBA readiness and his toughness. Had he not worked out with both Hansbrough and Pendergraph, he might have been a show stealer. Like Brown, Cunningham showed steady statistical improvements throughout his college careeer and is known for his interior game, which seems like a big plus in the Blazers' eyes this year. He's slightly smaller than both Pendergraph and Hansbrough and given the reputation those guys carry with them I think he slots in below both of them. Nevertheless, Cunningham is definitely a name to remember.
KP on Cunningham
I thought Cunningham was good. It was a battle of men out there it felt like. Sometimes we've had workouts where you're looking at potential and younger kids. A lot of these guys were 4 year guys ready to step on an NBA floor pretty quick."
Buchanan on Cunningham
Solid role guy. He's physical. He can shoot it a little. He's a tough kid, comes from a great coach, great program. Very solid player.
All Hansbrough hype aside, the chatter today was that Pendergraph might have been the most impressive player in the gym today. He had the most impressive shoes for sure.
Today's workout was described as a power forward battle royale and when it was all said and done Pendergraph carried himself like he had won it. Check out this freaking awesome picture taken by Casey Holdahl. Did someone say gun show? How much are tickets? Can I purchase them in advance?
Pendergraph was affable and interacted with team staff very naturally. No nerves whatsoever. Totally confident. Totally cool.
His bio notes that he graduated a semester early with a degree in economics. I realize that it's Arizona State but still I think we can agree he passes the intelligence test. And honestly, the rest of his bio reads exactly how you would expect a Blazers 1st round pick's bio to read: "active and efficient around the basket... blue collar... plays with energy and toughness."
We were able to see him step back and shoot the mid-range jumper a bit today and there was no question Hansbrough has a more consistent, clean stroke. But do we really expect the Blazers' backup power forward to shoot 12 foot jumpers in the key? I don't think so.
KP on Pendergraph
"He shot the ball really well in the shooting drills. He's going to be a good defender in our league. He's a great runner. If you're going to run, he's going to really look good."
Chad Buchanan on Pendergraph
He's got good size. He knows what he is as a player. He's not going to give you a ton of offense. He's going to play the right way. He's going to set screens. He's going to finish easy plays that more talented guys create for him. He's going to play good position defense. Really intelligent kid. Has been well-coached. He doesn't have star potential but I think you can put him on an NBA floor. If you look at Jeff and Dante and Tyler, those guys are physically ready to play in an NBA game. All 3 of those guys are all 4 year guys.
I pride myself on toughness, I hate to lose, I love guarding big guys even though I'm the smallest guy. It shows a sense of pride.
This group of guys has such good chemistry and they're so tough I want to fit in right way. Portland is one of those teams that I definitely want to come here. I've been looking at this team before I made the decision to come back to UCLA. This is one of the teams I've been looking at for a long time. I like their personality, they play together. It's never one person. Brandon Roy is an exceptionally good player individually but he does anything to help them win the game.
What I want to do is take a little bit more load off Brandon Roy. A point guard's job is to create for others. Steve Blake does an exceptionally good job at that. I have a tendency for living in the paint the last few years. I want to do that a little bit so Brandon Roy doesn't have to create so much. Not just create shots for myself but try to get everybody open and involved. But the biggest thing first and foremost before I talk about anything is defense. I pride myself on defense, I've been doing that for the last 3 years.
You look at a different position, Darren Collison is about as tough as it gets. He was feisty, he was tough, he was setting big screens. He competed out there with the big boys today.He got in the paint at will. He really caused problems becaue he attracted a lot of the help side, the weak side. He made great decisions once he got in there. He's talented. He's got some jets."
He's an NBA player. Thought he was very good today. Has great command of the ball. Very poised. Makes good decisions. Shoots a really soft ball. Good quicks, handles it. He's a pretty complete player. I think he's getting there [defensively], he's got the feet to do it. I wouldn't call him a great defender at this point but I think he can be. He was asked to do so much offensively that can kind of take away a kid's defensive mindset. He's going to be a fine guard in our league. I wouldn't say he has the same type of speed as Aaron [Brooks], he's got speed though. You don't see it as much because UCLA plays a slow, grind-it-out style so you don't see him going up and down as much. His family has a track pedigree, he has great north south speed. I think you'll see it at our level.
Nate McMillan on Collison
"He's very quick. He can get easy opportunities as well as finishing on the offensive end of the floor. Defensively he did a nice job. He's very quick. He can defend the ball, he's tough. He doesn't mind going to the basket and taking hits. A guy with a frame like that is normally cautious going in there but he's kind of fearless."
Are these workouts a grind?
"Right now it's all mental. This is what you want to do so you've got to fight. We are all looking for a job. How much do you want it?"
Are you big enough to play in the NBA?
"Why wouldn't I be? Aaron Brooks is a guy that's smaller than me, he gave Portland fits."
Tyler Hansbrough (6'9" and 250, PF, UNC)
Alright, the hype goes last. First of all, it's surprising to see Hansbrough working out for the Blazers given the fact he is seen as a potential late lottery pick. You can read that one of three ways:
- The Blazers let him know they are seriously interested in him and might move up to grab him.
- Hansbrough doesn't trust the mock drafts.
- He just really, really likes working out.
Regardless of how you read his presence in Portland, the team's interest in Hansbrough is undeniable. His character, motor, winning background, size and ability to compete are elements the team has talked about wanting to add to this team. Add in the fact that he's one of the more NBA ready prospects in the draft (assuming you don't need him to start, which the Blazers obviously don't) and it's easy to see why you'll likely be reading 10 articles from various Portland sources this week eager to sell you on Hansbrough.
As mentioned, his jumper was impressive today particularly from the middle of the floor. His size was better than expected but not enough to bowl you over.
I think the number one factor preventing Hansbrough from becoming a Blazer is that his price will likely be too high. Is the team willing to trade up for him? If so, how far? Are they willing to pay that extra money to a rookie given their limited salary cap flexibility? I don't think we can know the answers to those questions.
Also, Psycho T is, in fact, psycho. Just an FYI, his eyes are looking through you.
KP on Hansbrough
The thing about Tyler is you already know what you're going to get before he walks into the building. He's high intensity, he's a tough kid, he's won at a high level and there's a lot of teams going to be interested in him. So you like him and he would fit us.
We've said all along that we know after being in a series with Houston we have to add some toughness. He's a tough kid but he wasn't the only [tough] one out there today.
There's not a split second he's not going as hard as he can. If you were going to mark down how many times he hits the floor, the over/under would be 5. You expect that. He's kind of a lunchpail, hard hat kind of guy. He wasn't the only one. I don't want to just focus on him.
The thing about Tyler is you throw the ball up or you're doing a drill in the summer he's going to bring every single of ounce of energy and he's going to knock you in the mouth. And he's going to get hit too. It looks like he kind of enjoys pain a little bit. [laughs] Is that a good thing for a team? Sure, why not?
He's out there to play physical and he gets hit, no problem, I'm going to hit you right back. But I thought Cunningham and Pendergraph were that way today too. There was no backing down at today's workout. No backing down.
Chad Buchanan on Hansbrough
He is what he is. You see him at Carolina, you see him in the gym. You meet him. He's exactly what you think. Great kid. We really like him as a kid. He's blue collar, he's going to come in and play his butt off. He's not going to say a word. He's going to play the right way. He's improved his skillset over the four years at Carolina. he's stepping out and shooting it a little bit now. His body looks great. He's going to come in and impact NBA games just because of how hard he plays. He's definitely in the [late lottery] discussion. I think he's got a fairly wide range. If he gets to 24 you'd have to have some guys bump ahead of him I would think. He's a low risk guy and he can help you. He's probably not a starter but he can come in off the bench and give you energy and toughness. He's going to play 100% for 82 games.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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I liked Collison until he mentioned Brooks!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 17, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're errin' if'n you don't like Aaron
I definitely thing the Blazers ought to draft Collison if he’s available. He could be a defensive specialist at PG, like Anthony used to be.
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 17, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He mentioned Brooks owning us
I don’t like Brooks when he is owning us.
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by Zaig on Jun 17, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you cant handle the truff!
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 17, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I see. That DOES sound ominous.
This idea of “ownership” could lead to the accumulation of the means of production as property into a few hands. (Note: I refer to this accumulated property as “capital” and the property-owners of such means of production as “capitalists.”)
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 17, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collison did a good job at shutting Brooks down in College
just sayin
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by The Arkitect on Jun 17, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the two games between them in Brooks' senior year (he wasn't that good until he was a senior)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200701060449
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=200702010606
And Brooks’ lines:
Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts 36 9-13 1-1 6-6 0 3 3 3 3 0 4 25 40 5-13 4-6 0-0 1 3 4 2 1 0 4 14
by pualo on Jun 17, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darren Collison at #24 is the biggest slam dunk pick
KP may ever have. He’s just flat perfect for this team in so many ways.
by as11osu on Jun 17, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Blazer staff comments on Collison
remind me a lot of what they were saying about Augustine, 12 months ago
by two4larue on Jun 17, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
draft collison and crazy eyes plz!
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jun 17, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he could be our mark madsen
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Jun 17, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we will need an awkward dancer for the championship celebration
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by The Arkitect on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I just changed my mind
I want collison
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on Jun 17, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
where is the link to
draftcollison.com
?
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
by BlazerFan1 on Jun 17, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
I’d be happy with any of these guys. I wasn’t that impressed with Collison’s play at UCLA, but he’s growing on me and would be a good fit for us. Pendergraph and Hansborough would be great as well.
by Jackalope 66 on Jun 17, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure collison reads BlazersEdge
by tikiliki on Jun 17, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
yeah, appealing to us blazer fans already. This kid is smart.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on Jun 17, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Collison
but it’s kind of hard to develop two pgs at the same time.
by Falcao on Jun 17, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the point of Collison
is that you dont really need to develop him.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 17, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Serious Question
Who’s better right now: Collison or Bayless?
by pualo on Jun 17, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless was really good at Arizona, one of the best players in the Pac-10. I doubt he’s regressed.
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by Cablinasian on Jun 17, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrence Williams
Better then either of those two.
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 17, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collison is more poised leading a team. Bayless has much more upside thanks to his athletic abilities.
But I love Collison. He is about the only PG in this region of the draft who I can see step right in for a team and be the backup without doing constantly anything stupid. Just get down to business, defend, hit open shots, make the right pass, hit his free throws. Perfect guy if the Blazers know Sergio is going to leave, and they don’t plan to make a major change with Blake.
by Norsktroll on Jun 17, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Face for Marketing
I just want to see a giant billboard of Hansborough’s head staring into the soul of every driver that passes by on I-5…. He might even sell a few more season tickets out of sheer intimidation!
by Tomahawk30 on Jun 17, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even better if they make the eyes move with you as you drive by.
by LaughingJon on Jun 17, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We sell out every game
Unless he just makes people throw money at the Rose Garden we won’t be selling any more :-)
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by Zaig on Jun 17, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't follow ASU basketball very much
But it felt like Pendergraph was getting out-muscled a little in the tourney. The Sun Devils didn’t have the biggest or most athletic lineup, but Pendergraph wasn’t anything like a dominant banger.
That said, he worked hard to improve midrange shot the summer before his last season and seems like he has the work ethic to improve as a player. I don’t think he’s NBA playoff-ready, but I think he could be pretty decent backup with a couple NBA games under his belt.
by ninjasocks on Jun 17, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pendergraph in the pictures
is not the Pendergraph that played in the tourny. He was lanky and not strong enough for his style of play against good competition. He looks to be a lot stronger now. If he added the right kind of muscle it would really help his game, well who wouldn’t that help.
Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.
by trumpetduck on Jun 17, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But do we really expect the Blazers' backup power forward to shoot 12 foot jumpers in the key?
Uh, ye-ah…you don’t expect Przybilla to carry the front court bench offense, do you?
by two4larue on Jun 17, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
backup 4s on this team are going to make their living on the offensive boards not from mid range contested jumpers when you’ve got a bench that has the likes of bayless, rudy, martell, and travis.
by Ben. on Jun 17, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having two useless offensive entities on the court at the same time
that makes life harder for everyone. Bayless has no room to penetrate in the scenario you’ve described. I too want a banger 4, but having a decent mid range or some kind of post game is essential if that player is going to be on the court with Przybilla.
by as11osu on Jun 17, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a midrange game is obviously a plus. no one is saying otherwise. but is that a top 3 attribute for a backup 4 right now? i don’t think so. i’d rather have defensive skills, motor, offensive rebounding, physical frame, etc. before i would even care about a jumper.
if and when foul trouble or injuries arise, you also want the backup 4 to be able to mix and match with lma and oden. in those cases do you care if the guy can hit a jumper?
by Ben. on Jun 17, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Beasley?
Can be a 6th man, playing behind Batum & Aldridge in big minutes, both the 3 & 4.
Thoughts?
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 17, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention how much do we have to give the Heat to pry away
last years #2 pick?
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by The Arkitect on Jun 17, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless, Rudy, Webster, 24th overall?
Although Chalmers/Bayless, Wade/Rudy would be a very scary back court.
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 17, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured
if you are going to be making a trade for Josh Howard…
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 17, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be a bit young to have seen these guys
but I used to watch Dave Cowens and Paul Silas man-handle my team — the Jack Ramsey coached Buffalo Braves — and win by virtue of their command of the offensive glass.
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 17, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and joel is far from useless offensively.
by Ben. on Jun 17, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of the 33 centers that qualified last year
Przybilla was 32nd in scoring at 11 points per 48.
I understand what you’re getting at though. I meant on actually putting the ball through the basket. If our only other post player has no more offensive skill than Joel we’d be in trouble on the offensive end.
by as11osu on Jun 17, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team hasn’t and will not run through przybilla and the team’s overall offensive efficiency indicate that they are alright with that.
the priority list for improving post scoring next season will be greg oden, followed by developing lamarcus aldridge even further, followed by a huge gap before you even begin discussing przybilla or offensive contributions from a backup 4
by Ben. on Jun 17, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team hasn’t and will not run through przybilla and the team’s overall offensive efficiency indicate that they are alright with that.
Sure… our offensive efficiency is just fine if you assume Przybilla is playing next to LaMarcus Aldridge.
I think you have assume that by the of next year that won’t be the case. Oden will play next to LMA and Przybilla would play a lot next to our new 4. If the is the assumption, Przybilla’s post mate should be someone that can score the ball, or at least can score the ball (the threat would be enough for me).
by as11osu on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
channing had a nice j
he worked very well for us………………………………………………
i for one will REALLY miss him. That offensive production will sorely be missed as well.
S
The Princess of Blazersedge
by BlazerFan1 on Jun 17, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you beat me to it
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by The Arkitect on Jun 17, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Channing had a smattering of any other skills he would've worked out nice
He doesn’t and didn’t.
by as11osu on Jun 17, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He showed flashes
It’s a shame… he’s such a likable guy, and seemed like a rising star his first year in NY.
I wonder what happened, at some point his game seemed to regress, beyond other team having scouting reports on him
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by The Arkitect on Jun 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know who would be great...
Channing
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by The Arkitect on Jun 17, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s not a backup 4 in this draft that does what you are asking for and does all the things the blazers are prioritizing above what you’re asking for. certainly not available at 24.
the scoring on the bench will come from the smalls and from offensive rebounds generated by przybilla.
given the limited playing time role for a backup 4 (especially if outlaw is still around) coupled with the team’s slow pace, scoring from that spot is not a necessity.
ideally you want more offense to run through rudy next year. also you’d like martell to step up and carry some load as well.
by Ben. on Jun 17, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree scoring isn't the most important thing
but we have plenty of parts, and getting a guy with that skill too seems like something you can and should do to me. Brandon Bass is my ideal (realistic) 4 for playing alongside Przybilla on the second unit. It’s that mid range game that sets him apart, and would make even our second unit a dangerous offensive team.
by as11osu on Jun 17, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like bass a lot. he is one of the best names out there. unfortunately the team can’t draft with the assumption they will get bass. but if you move outlaw there’s room for a drafted 4 and bass (or someone similar), with bass taking the bulk of the minutes next season.
by Ben. on Jun 17, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking about "scoring"
I’m talking about being a threat to hit an occasional 12 foot jumper
If the Blazer’s backup PF doesn’t offer (at least) that, he won’t get on the floor
I’m not talking about “they need another Frye”
They just can’t afford to play a bricklayer with the touch of a blacksmith alongside Joel
Ever
by two4larue on Jun 17, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Taj Gibson a tad more than Pendergraph, but both would be nice pickups at 32/38
Dependent on what we do in the first round, and if the Blazers would like Beaubois or Claver too.
The more I think of it, it could help the Blazers to acquire one more late first round pick. More so than trading up and having to decide on one player.
by Norsktroll on Jun 17, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to agree
We don’t always see eye to eye, but I am totally with you on this issue. If Bayless is the second unit PG, with Rudy, Martell, PF, and Pryz, it seems like we need a PF who can spread the court at least a little. Having two front court guys who are offensive non-entities seems like a scenario that is going to result in a lot of contested jumpers and Bayless getting stuffed by two guys waiting to mug him in the lane.
This actually makes me think that keeping Trout for certain match-ups might not be a bad thing. He can hit the corner three and would give Bayless a third perimeter guy to pass to off of penetration. He would also give Bayless a good bailout option with the clock running down because he can get his own shot.
I would like better rebounding and defense from the 4 spot. What is your take on these trade-offs?
by upper left corner on Jun 18, 2009 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Trout is too much of an asset
to use him as our backup 4 for 10 minutes per game. He’s a quality small ball 4, but how often will we want that when LaMarcus isn’t all that tough either. Greg and Joel can’t be our only tough bigs. You’d love to have a small ball 4, but having Outlaw as that player seems is a misuse of his value right now. I think that Outlaw should be used to get a better backup 4 or an upgrade at point guard, but we should definitely use one of our exceptions during free agency or after on a player like Outlaw that can shoot from distance and take advantage of slower 4’s around the league.
by as11osu on Jun 18, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds reasonable
Travis’ trade value and his happiness are both likely to decline if his minutes and role are cut in half.
On the other hand, he would be nice in a quick second unit, and I think if we trade him we are likely to miss his offensive capabilities more than we realize. Keeping Trout would also be nice insurance in case Martell’s foot is a problem.
I guess it gets down to what we can get for him.
by upper left corner on Jun 19, 2009 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a given that our backup PF and backup C will usually be on the floor together.
There are other ways to work the rotation. I could see something like Greg+LMA, Joel+LMA, Greg+Newbie, repeat.
by pualo on Jun 17, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like he kind of enjoys pain a little bit. [laughs] Is that a good thing for a team? Sure, why not?
OK, this reminds me of the Joker in last year’s Batman movie. Somebody get to work on Photoshop and apply the white/red makeup
by two4larue on Jun 17, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben. How do you size up the PFs in this workout? Literally.
Which one seemed to be the tallest or strongest in your eyes? How does Hansbrough measure up to guys on the Blazers like Frye or LMA?
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by blzrfan on Jun 17, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
all of the guys working out are shorter than both frye and lamarcus. frye is a very tall 4.
pendergraph was the tallest of the bunch (not by much) and seemed the most refined muscle wise. tyler’s list weight was higher than what he seemed like in person but obviously he’s in great shape. he was taller than i expected, roughly the same as dante cunningham, maybe a tad taller.
by Ben. on Jun 17, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info.
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by blzrfan on Jun 17, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pritchard
“You want to add guys that are on a similar timeline of your success or potential success. 4 year guys, especially where we are drafting at 24, we’ve drafted for potential, we’ve kind of rolled the dice, asking does this guy have a high ceiling? Right now we want guys that can play. Guys that can step out on the floor and really help us.”
Terrence Williams -
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 17, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Williams seems to be more potential at this point
He could be lots of things, but what is he?
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by The Arkitect on Jun 17, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PG
He said I want to be everything Payton was, including “Defensive player of the year, at the PG position” in a recent video(posted in another fan post). He has excellent court vision. A big advantage on any PG in terms of defense & rebounding. He has a much better chance of defending 2’s when Brandon is at the 1(Big positive). He could be a lot like McMillan was as a player. His stats compared to a recent bigger PG, Rodney Stuckey is very telling & he did it in Louisville(Big East).
Offseason:
PG Options: Terrence Williams(D), Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 17, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collison
I like Collison at 24, some healthy competition for back up 1 would do JRex some good.
by The Mallorcan Rocket on Jun 17, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"this freaking awsome picture"
Don’t click on that picture if your wife might be looking over your shoulder, it’s kind of embarrassing. I swear, it’s a sports site!
Great stuff. I am really looking forward to this draft just because it seems like it could go so many different ways, as KP said. It does seem like we are leaning towards getting our back up 4 through the draft, but I always feel like anything is seems like we are going to do will be wrong. It’s going to be a surprise.
by twggyy on Jun 17, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame they couldn't get Blair to fly in today
And beat up on all of these “taller” PFs
by two4larue on Jun 17, 2009 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Collison is the one quality PG that will be there at #24. BUT I WANT MY POWER FORWARD...
C’mon KP, you promised!
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by timbo on Jun 17, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Collison
Prendergraph[I know a family that spells it almost the same] and Claver would be a nice harvest this year.
by southern oregon on Jun 17, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buy: Blair, Collison, Gibson/Pendergraph, Beaubois, Claver. Another first round pick :)
Sell: Hansbrough, undersized wing players, fringe second round players
by Norsktroll on Jun 17, 2009 7:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben
Graduating from ASU in 3.5 years is the equivalent of graduating from Beaverton High School with a 2.0. It really aint all that hard….. dont call the kid smart just quite yet..
COLLISON in ROUND 2 PLEASE
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 17, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Benjamin...how much are you being paid to pump collison?
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by faith on Jun 17, 2009 7:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One Question
How come everyone is so into Collison as a defensive pg when he has a smaller wingspan than Bayless. That is the main criticism of Bayless’ defensive potential so how is this not an issue with Collison? I understand that Collison prides himself on his defense but Bayless is committed to that end of the floor as well. This gives me doubts….
If we want a defensive minded pg to fit into the 3rd string 5-10 mins per game role then why not go for someone just as quick and more athletic in Rodrigue Beaubois? He is not much taller but has a 6’10 wingspan vs. Collisons 6’3. Thats a significant difference. Even given the fact that Collison is more NBA ready I see Beaubois as having a higher ceiling defensively and in a 3rd string role surely there must be some emphasis put on potential in addition to production
Also, I like Psycho T as a 2nd team partner to Joel….only problem is I like Blair far more and if we are moving up for one of these two then why settle?
Offseason Dreaming and Scheming
PG: Hinrich, Bayless, Beaubois
SF:Wallace, Smith, Butler or bust
PF:Draft Dejuan Blair, add Freeland
by MadBlaze on Jun 17, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if we are moving up for one of these two then why settle?
Absolutely great points.
I’m not big on adding another rookie PG to next year’s squad, but maybe Beaubois could be “stashed”?
by two4larue on Jun 17, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike Bayless
Collison IS a good defender. Some may argue more than that. He also fits perfectly into this teams system offensively. That’s why everyone around here is so into Collison. Bayless was a bad defender in college and was a bad defender last year. Collison was among the best defensive point guards in all of college ball for 3 years now. Wingspan is nice but does not equal good defense.
by as11osu on Jun 17, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Bayless is all potential at this stage – you either buy into it or you don’t. The most attractive thing about Collison for me is that he is a traditional pass first pg. Defensively I think he could have problems at the NBA level due his measurements. Not many 6 foot defensive specialists in the league that I can see (Rondo being the most obvious exception).
The way I see it, using a first rounder on Collison would indicate that there is little confidence in Bayless within the organisation. I’m a Bayless believer and so think that using the #33 on Beaubois is the better move as he has the quickness to stay with the smaller pg’s and the size and wingspan to bother bigger pg’s.
I would rather use the #24 to help trade up for Blair and find the backup to the backup pg in the 2nd round – give Bayless a year to show if he can live up to the hype and then cut him loose if he doesn’t. No real risk as its unlikely he could lose much more value as a trading piece.
Offseason Dreaming and Scheming
PG: Hinrich, Bayless, Beaubois
SF:Wallace, Smith, Butler or bust
PF:Draft Dejuan Blair, add Freeland
by MadBlaze on Jun 18, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also for using #24 to move up for Blair
but if for some reason we’re not able to do that, and we’re stuck using that pick, you can’t do much better than Collison, both from a value and a fit perspective.
by as11osu on Jun 18, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a wide range of opinion on Bayless' D.
Many comments came from the coaching staff suggesting that they don’t agree with your take.
Folks have taken 82 games +/- numbers as gospel. I think there are a lot of variables and those numbers don’t jibe with what I saw on the floor. Playing next to Ruffin and Channing is not going to help your +/- numbers. Bayless had problems with help defense, but that is primarily a matter of recognition and experience. His ability to stay in front of his guy, his ability to apply on-ball pressure, and his strength fighting through picks suggests that he is going to be a good defender.
by upper left corner on Jun 18, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign me up for
PSYCO T. How can people not like this guy. He is the one that we need off the bench. Another option, cheap, and a proven winner. There is no doubt that you do what you can to get him. Last year he would have been top ten. Two years ago top five. Stop looking to see upside. He was all american four times. Just like Chad said, he is who you think he is. Move up if you have to.
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by newbergfan on Jun 17, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He is who he is?
Well, to me he is a player like Darius Songaila or Eduardo Najera. Quality role player, works hard, decently skilled, but not more. Problem is: Najera was a #38 pick, Songaila #49. And Najera has much more upper body strength. Taking Hansbrough at the end of the first round sounds fair. No way I would trade up to take him in the lottery.
by Norsktroll on Jun 17, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is going to be
a long week of nervous anticipation
by 2005TelfairJerseyForSale on Jun 18, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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