Examining Potential Blazers Picks Day 1: Using What We've Got
Today we begin looking at potential Blazer draft picks. We'll run the gamut of possibilities before next Thursday but we're going to start by drawing on the work of our own Ben Golliver and his Draft Board 2.0, found right below this post. We're assuming in this post that the Blazers will stay with 24 plus their second-rounders or only move up moderately and thus will be drafting one of the guys they've actually brought in for workouts.
We're going to run down the top of Ben's Draft Board in order. The links I'll give you are all from DraftExpress.com. It's not only the most comprehensive site I've found, the folks there are usually pretty accurate. More importantly, even when you read other places you won't find too many people contradicting them. If you want a handy distillation, that's the place to go.
Omri Casspi, 6'8", 220lb projected SF from Rehovot, Israel Draftexpress Profile
Why the Blazers Might Draft Him
Casspi fills several of the traditional criteria for Kevin Pritchard picks. He's tall for his position. He's athletic. He has confidence and the right attitude. He wants to be in the league and has motivation to succeed, being the first player from his country to play in the NBA. Though it's hardly a deciding factor, bringing an entire new nation of fans to the team who picks him doesn't hurt his prospects either. We've seen the Sergio, Rudy, and Batum waves come through. The Casspi effect would be icing on the cake.
Several of Casspi's strengths address Blazer needs. He's a runner and a finisher. He's tough and pretty well built. He looks like an athlete. He's going to try to score when he's on the floor.
Rising stock as the draft approaches is the norm for most draftees. It's human nature even in a supposedly weak draft. Let's say you had planned to go to Disneyland for vacation but because of budgetary constraints you could only go camping at the state park. At first you're going to be disappointed. But as the trip approaches you're going to get jazzed anyway and start thinking about the fun you will have camping. The same thing happens to these draftees. In the wide view they're not likely to be impressive as a group. But as teams narrow in they're going to get excited about getting one.
You want to look for the guys whose stock is rising farther and quicker than the average. Casspi appears to be one of those guys. Once a team works with him the media and fans start to buzz. Yes, he's an interesting story but usually in these cases smoke indicates fire. He's a solid threat to go in the teens. Finding him at or near 24 would likely be considered a good value.
Why He Might Not Be the Guy
First of all, a small forward? Really? Omri, I'd like you to meet Martell Webster, Nicolas Batum, and Travis Outlaw. Martell, Travis, Nic, this is Omri.
"Hey rook. Fetch our luggage."
"Ah yes. I have heard of this. It is the rookie ritual, is it not?"
"No. You'll be doing it until your rookie contract expires."
"Oh. This is not as I expected. But I look forward to playing with you anyway."
"Playing? Who said anything about playing?"
I know you draft the best player available. You don't go for need in the draft. But that doesn't change the fact that we need another 20-something small-forward like we need a second Blaze.
Casspi is a small forward who needs work as well. He's not a good ball-handler or passer. He doesn't have a mid-range game. He has developed an outside shot but he's learned it in a way that will almost certainly have to be re-taught. From the March 8th, 2009 Draftexpress write-up:
Casspi has made strides with his perimeter jump-shot this season, converting on 17/44 attempts (39%) of his 3-pointers in the Euroleague and Israeli league combined, up from 30% last season. While his mechanics remain unorthodox (with a low release point and his elbow flailing out), he is shooting the ball confidently this season, getting his jumper off quickly and with a consistent release point, as long as his feet are set. Off the dribble, Casspi's poor mechanics hinder him from being much of a threat, which limits his offensive potential to a certain degree.
Low release point, flailing elbow, no escape dribble. That's not good for the NBA. It's even worse for the Blazers, who rely heavily on their forwards being able to shoot.
In many ways this guy sounds like Travis Outlaw 2.0. They're different players, of course, but Travis had many of the same weaknesses and proclivities. It's taken him six years to overcome some of them. Some he still suffers from. Having version 1.0 already I'm not sure we'll be willing to buy in.
Wayne Ellington, 6'5" 190lb projected SG from UNC Draftexpress Profile
Why the Blazers Might Draft Him
Like Casspi, Ellington fits the Blazer profile in a few ways. He's a shooter. He can hit when he's open, whether it's straight up or off the screen. He can hit on the move as well. He rebounds decently for his position. He's reasonably tall. He comes from a high-profile college program. As a junior he has enough experience to contribute right away. He should be an asset whether the team plays in transition or the halfcourt.
Ellington seems like the kind of guy who could slip lower than the Blazers draft, leaving the possibility of acquiring extra assets and still getting him and/or using a second-round pick on him. On the latter basis he could be a steal.
Why He Might Not Be the Guy
He's not a defender. The Blazers already have a couple of shooting guards who aren't great defenders. They're also far better offensive players than Ellington projects to be. You're not bringing anything new to the table and not offering much of a chance of an upgrade. Maybe if you were looking to move Rudy this might make sense, but even then the help seems marginal.
By most accounts Ellington isn't an NBA-level athlete either. This isn't necessarily a bar to drafting him. We've heard that about Blazer draft picks before and they've turned out fine. But like Casspi he may find that his shot is bothered far more in this league than his last one. He doesn't bring much else to the table besides his shot. If you can bother him you've eliminated his reason for being on the court.
Chris Johnson, 6'11" 190lb projected PF from LSU Draftexpress Profile
Why the Blazers Might Draft Him
With Greg Oden hogging the post for years to come the Blazers are always going to be interested in face-up power forwards. That's all Johnson is at this point. He's got a jumper. He can rebound a little. He can block shots. He's quick both on the floor and off his feet. And you can't teach 6'11". Playing behind LaMarcus Aldridge he can afford to be a project. He looks like a decent risk for a second-round pick.
Why He Might Not Be the Guy
190 pounds. Yeah...shooting guard mass, power forward position. He doesn't need to add some bulk on his frame, he needs to add some frame on his frame. He's going to have trouble guarding opponents in the NBA whether inside or out. You don't project him to stay on the floor long because despite the height he's going to be on the bad end of mismatches. He can't pass either, so when you give it to him you better pray that jumper goes in.
Danny Green, 6'6" 210lb projected SG/SF swingman from UNC Draftexpress Profile
Why the Blazers Might Draft Him
Green is another all-around player who might make the roster as a second-round pick. He's smart, a good defender, and a good shooter. He's tough enough, has a solid enough body, and has the size to play in the NBA. He's not good off the dribble but if you're thinking small forward then catch-and-release is fine. He's a senior at a great school and has the kind of experience/competition profile that the Blazers like.
Why He Might Not Be the Guy
The whole "not good off the dribble" thing eliminates his shooting guard potential with this team. Plus he's a safe pick who plays at positions where the Blazers would be more willing to take a risk, as the odds of any youngster cracking the rotation there are small. Still, it's easier to see a guy like this getting drafted than some of the higher-potential players above.
DeMarre Carroll, 6'8" 225lb projected SF from Missouri Draftexpress Profile
Why the Blazers Might Draft Him
This is another second-round pick who knows how to play. He's among the most efficient players in the draft. He's a great percentage shooter, he draws fouls, and he rebounds. He's got good height and played on a good team. He's a senior. He's got attitude and isn't afraid to go hard.
Why He Might Not Be the Guy
He's yet another in a litany of small forward prospects under consideration, but really when you're talking the second round your criteria are different. Any guy who has a chance to make it is a good deal. The caution point with Carroll is that he's played power forward much of his college career. He's too light to do that in the NBA. You also wonder how much of his efficient offensive game will translate into the league. A fair number of those shots came inside. That's harder in the big leagues unless you're really good off the dribble. With neither the defense nor the offense a sure thing his ultra-efficient game suddenly looks less attractive.
Tomorrow...what the Blazers could do by moving up a ways.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Well put
Rising stock as the draft approaches is the norm for most draftees. It’s human nature even in a supposedly weak draft. Let’s say you had planned to go to Disneyland for vacation but because of budgetary constraints you could only go camping at the state park. At first you’re going to be disappointed. But as the trip approaches you’re going to get jazzed anyway and start thinking about the fun you will have camping. The same thing happens to these draftees.
One of the things I think people get too caught up in is that they think that one of these players will be able to come in and set the league alight, when in the end, save for 3-4 of them, they will not. Even if they do, to what end will it be? Playing on a team where you average more points than wins at the end of the year.
People seem to forget that last years draft was one of the best of the past decade and add in that you do not have to worry about the fact that they have to learn how to play in the NBA. Bayless has very identical collegiate stats to another Blazer PG, Terry Porter, who was also a SG in college mainly.
People are going crazy over Curry or (he would of been a mid to late 1st pick last year) Lawson (caught up in the final four fever and again would of been a mid to late 1st pick last year) when Bayless went 11th overall and was generally considered a top 5 pick even to KP’s surprise.
In this draft I can see us picking up Collison as a 3rd PG, hopefully to backup Kidd/Nash and Bayless or grabbing another wind defender to throw at LeBron in our finals matchup if(more like when) Nic gets in foul trouble. We need that 2nd 6’6-6’8 defender to be used against the LeBron, K*be and Pierces of the world. Maybe even bring back Ime for a few mil.
A rookie PF cannot have that grit and hustle that a seasoned vet PF would have, having been in the playoff trenches for years. So with that I think vet is the way to go for the PF position, McDyess, SMith, Bass, or other PFs.
Vet at PG to allow our young PG to bridge to the future, a vet PF to bring that grit and banger(ness?) to the court when LMA is getting a blow and youth on the wing to run around the wing defending the hell out of the place.
Do it KP.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
Blair = 6'6'' + giant wingspan + knee rumors that make him drop to us
I wouldn’t want to build a team around him as my starter, but as a backup he is close to perfection.
We can't risk it
Batum had that weird heart thing, we drafted him anyway, and 1 year later everyone looks back at that pick as a bust!
The Princess of Blazersedge
No way Blair is falling to #24. Indy has him at #13, you want him, you've gotta take cuts.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Speaking of Terry Porter....
There’s a great article about him at SI that profiles him coming out of college. Interesting to read about the drills Dick Bennett developed to help Terry succeed at the Olympic trials in 1984. I’d love to hear about some of the potential draftees doing something like this…..heck, even current team members.
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1122869/index.htm
by antediluvian on Jun 17, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I read that you want some bangers?
Jon Brockman is the ultimate banger.
KIDD???? NASH???
Kidd is a wife-beater. That guy has beat his wife’s a** at every stop. That’s the kind of guy you want to be the “quarterback” of our team. That is a bad move and I think that KP looks at the police blottler before he makes any deal. Nash is even more of a liability on D than Steve. Dump Sergio, let Bayless develop, and maybe by the end of next year we’ll have a stopper at the 1 (Bayless’ length and athleticism in his minutes against LeBron last year make me think that he could be the next Glove) and we have a quality veteran back-up. Unless your talking about mortgaging our future on Paul, leave the point position alone. That means no more ROOKIES either!!!
Portland's second round picks
Portland has about eleventy billion second round picks by my calculation. Are those more valuable in trades or in draft-and-stash? if teams are likely to carry just 14 dudes, that might remove a spot for one of these draft picks.
It’s too bad there is no real minor basketball league because then Portland could stash Americans until they’re ready.
Yes! A 2nd Blaze!
They shall be called CatMan1 and CatMan2! Brilliant, Dave!
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 17, 2009 7:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Man, there just ain't no one who gets my fan blood boilin'
I worry that if Omri becomes a Blazer it will bring up discussion about Israel almost every day here, which won’t be any fun. I’m surprised no one makes fun of his wingspan, it’s worse than Bayless’ when compared to his height (at least BayBay’s arms are longer than his height in shoes)… but like I always say, when someone is skinny, their arms look longer. I also worry that he is overrated due to the good ol’ exotique factor.
But, I like fun intriguing foreigny players, so I guess he’s gotta be the top of the charts for now.
And o’ those Israeli politics discussions will be a treat!
Maybe we should draft DeMarre, so LaMarcus doesn’t feel quite so alone anymore.
Mortimer
So Morty, what's your take on Prime Minister Netanyahu's explicit acceptance of a 2-state solution, albeiit forcing the fledgling Palestinian state into an explicitly demilitarized and implicitly semi-sovereign form?
And will he be willing to bring the question of West Bank settlements to the table in cobbling an agreement together with his Palestinian counterparts?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 17, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's a tricky question....
but one that needs to be asked, on a team with so many international players – is being from Israel going to be a player chemistry problem?
there’s some deep-rooted stuff in the old country…. seriously I have no idea how KP or Nate brings this up with the guys. Even if they say no, of course not, there could still be some stuff that comes up later. It probably should be addressed.
by LicketyBrindle on Jun 17, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The more I look at the names projected around 24
the more I hope we move out of it.
Use the draft to wheel and deal
This is just what I would like in my dream scenario, I have not idea if it is possible or not:
Travis and Sergio for David Lee
LaMarcus and Bayless for Chris Paul
I think if the Blazers were able to make these moves, however they did it, they would immediately vault into title contention for the next 5-10 years…thoughts?
by HappyTrails on Jun 17, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
This system has a slight flaw: You and Ben only include players that worked out for the Blazers
I would put the chances that we draft one of those guys that got through Tualatin until now at about one player: Casspi. The chances that they take a player like Beaubois (worked out last year here), Collison, Claver (first or second round) without looking again at them or even trading up is much higher. And you are also ignoring the group workouts the Blazers attended (Oakland, Minneapolis, Treviso, to some extent Chicago,…). Of course Ben got the best read on the players he saw, but it’s a very incomplete picture.
by Norsktroll on Jun 17, 2009 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I've never seen him play
But I like Beaubois’ body and length— and that we’ve asked him back 80 thousand times and he is young and intriguingly foreign.
I will call him B-Bois.
Morty
B-Boyz
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Getting to Norskie's point, I do think Dave made a mistake working from Ben's list -- accurate though it may be.
The primary question to be analyzed is “Who is the First Round pick gonna be?”
As nearly as I can tell, there are exactly 2 guys who have made an appearance in Portland that might plausibly be picked at #24: Casspi and Wayne Ellington (SG, UNC). That’s it — the others making appearances here are 2nd Round hopefuls.
Under Ben’s board assumptions the key thing is who is MOST LIKELY TO LAND HERE among the visiting players. Since there are more 2nd Round picks in KP’s holster now, guys like Danny Green and Chris Johnson (fairly likely KP picks if he picks the 55 and 56 pick, or whatever those late ones are he holds) get bonus points. This is fine, but it also doesn’t really answer the main question: who will KP have to choose from at the 24 if he picks it instead of trading it to move up or down?
The real list of POTENTIAL #24s should look more like this:
Austin Daye PF
Tyler Hansbrough, PF
Jeff Teague, SG
Sam Young, SF
Ganai Lawal, PF
Darren Collison, PG
Wayne Ellington, SG
Chase Budinger, SF
Patrick Mills, SG
Omri Casspi, SF
A couple other names, but you get the point.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Austin Daye is not going to be a Blazer.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 17, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Austin Daye
Austin Daye sucks. Plane and simple.
He can hit a few threes but from what I’ve seen of him playing at GU and during the NCAA tournament, the dude cannot play defense. He’s tall, has skills but needs to seriously go nuts on the weights.
"Tommy like wingy"
by Terry Gamble on Jun 17, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He certainly doesn't suck
I saw some amazing performances from him earlier in the season. He’s got fantastic speed and an ease to everything he does.
I’d agree that he needs to hit the weights. He also needs to get pushed more by bigger stronger players.
I’m not sure that he has the fire to be a great player, but he definitely has size and talent. With our current roster, he doesn’t make a lot of sense, but he probably has the most upside of anyone in that list.
Blew it
Fer every three he hits, he misses a defensive assignment.
Earlier I think it was the sixers GM who put him through a workout and was wowed by his ball skills and his three point ability.
A scout was quick to point out… its easy to do without playing against anybody.
"Tommy like wingy"
by Terry Gamble on Jun 18, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Mr. Goodwood and The Banging Brit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbcchx0ipwA
That’s a highlight reel of Mr. Goodwood(beau=good, bois=wood), who I hadn’t seen play either. I’d gladly take either him or Koponen to be this season’s Bayless. I’ll not get into who starts in this post.
http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1684
Another highlight reel, this one featuring Joel Freeland with a super sweet Casio beat backing it up, much like The Banging Brit would back up LMA.
by 500dogs on Jun 17, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice!
Thanks for the links, he looks pretty cool. I’m going to assume that was all from one game so that I can now think he should be taken 1st overall. He had like 80 three’s!
I’m gonna now read the draft express type scouting reports to see what is wrong with him, because that lank and athleticism and outside shot looks purty neat.
Mortimer
How about those guards breaking down defenses and setting up the big man
Freeland gets a lot of dunks in that video off of some nice drive and dish play.
No to all these guys
Unless we’re trading away Rudy + Outlaw/Webster, we don’t need any more SGs or SFs.
As for the 6’11 guy… 190 pounds? Seriously? I’m a pretty skinny guy and I’m 6’2 185ish. 6’11 190 is just insane…
The Princess of Blazersedge
If the target is a PG, unless KP knows something about a Euro that isn't showing up on the mock boards, Collison is about the only #24-caliber player that will be there at #24...
If the target is a PF, it’s either: get VERY luck that Hansbrough is still there, or take the very raw Lawal, or take the very skinny Daye and hope a couple years of pork chops and Tillamook ice cream will get him bulked up…
I’m fairly sure KP is trading up. That’s his MO.
Now, is he targeting the best PF he can plausibly get with a crafty trade (Blair) or a PG? That I have no clue about…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
LSU
I agree with the post of Zaig.
6’ 11 190? We don’t need to develop another guy who’s going to start out skinnier than Pryz.
We need a beast!
On the second though – Demarre Carroll was one of the more exciting players to watch this year and is definitely athletic. Wayne Ellington has been a baller through and through but I question our need of another shooter?
"Tommy like wingy"
You think 6.11 and 190 is skinny?
Manute Bol was 7.7 and 190 when he was drafted. Some writer commented that he looked like the foul pole at a baseball field.
by MiledAnimal on Jun 17, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Except I don't think he actually weighed 190 ever
The guy was crazy skinny yeah, but 190 just isn’t believeable imo.
The Princess of Blazersedge
When I met him, he was probably 225 and still looked incredibly thin
but I don’t doubt he was lighter as a rookie. Lots of folks are rail-thin in their teens.
by MiledAnimal on Jun 17, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
This is true, but still...
I dunno maybe he was, but I guess that’s the type of thing I’d have to see to believe. Especially since the NBA, Colleges, and High schools are notorious for not being 100% honest on height/weights. (Usually they add it, but still…) I’ve stood next to college guys that are supposed to be 6’3 without shoes on and been slightly taller. (I’m 6’1 3/4.)
The Princess of Blazersedge
I think if Tyler Hansbrough falls into our lap, we have to take him.
I love Channing but he’s not getting it done. He does alright but he can’t score. Tyler may not have a huge PF body, but he works his ass off. Something which Channing doesn’t seem to understand. That and I really believe Tyler would be a great locker room fit.
Unfair rap on Channing. He worked very hard last year.
Then he got injured. After that, he just wasn’t getting it done on the court.
by MiledAnimal on Jun 17, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing we move up to around 13-17
There are several teams that do not want to pay for a 1st round pick, or want to pay less than their position. I’m guessing that the Blazers will move up a few spots to get a better chance to get the “high risk, high reward” player they covet.
I'd like to see us move out of the draft
a nice little change of pace never hurt anyone
Yellow Mamba FTW!
changing pace can hurt a lot
what if the guy in the front of a nascar race hit the breaks?
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Nascar might be worth watching?
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 17, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is Christmas Time for Paul Allen
My gut says Paul wants a new present under the tree
I'm confused.
I thought we only worked out players to throw other teams off the scent of who we really want…
What does a Blazer do? He blazes! Where? Up the trail. Why? Portland dunks the ball! Believe RubiOden will happen.

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