OT: Josh Howard - Culture Thread
by appel82 on Jun 16, 2009 12:07 PM PDT
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PrintOkay, if you've read Dave's Mock Draft Post, you'll read some comments calling Josh Howard a "Cancer." I'm sure you all remember all the dumb comments made by Howard last summer, but I don't really hear about Mavs fans really caring as much as sportswriters, bloggers.
Now, my question to everyone, is Josh Howard a locker room cancer? Freedarko's book has a whole chapter on different players that are supposedly cancers, they use statistics to support their claims, even if often in hyper-sylized, semi-contrived manner (hehe, I still like that book, esp. the art). One of these phenomenal tumors as they call them, is Ron Artest. Was he ever really a cancer in Indiana and Sacramento or just a bad boy trying to find his way? Has Ron Artest proved that he is not a cancer by now 'fitting in' in Houston, or did he prove too much of a head case still? Who would you make a 'cultural exception' in trading for/signing FAs? Who has redeemed themselves from who they once were or what people have come to the conclusion they are? Josh Howard? Lamar Odom? Ron Artest? Allen Iverson? Birdman? Vince Carter? Sheed? Starburry!?!?
via www.babble.com
My problem with calling Howard a cancer is he is the 2nd best player on the Mavs according to 82games.com.
He also has always been on the same team and to the playoffs every year, so it's hard to gauge what effect he has had on the Mavs overall, one could argue that he was a main factor in making to the playoffs over and over again. He has consistently outplayed his opponent at the SF position, and also at SG this past season. I could see why he could be a good fit with Outlaw, who outplays his opponent only at PF.
Please be nice in this thread and don't talk 'bout no one's mommas.
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a totally unreaearched quote
but the only cancerous instances I can remember are: smokes pot in the offie (slang for offseason; it is going to catch like wildfire sooner than later.) and said something about not standing or liking the pledge of allegiance.
In my mind neither of these things are all that bad.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 16, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In my mind...
Disrespecting the pledge of allegiance is disrespecting our great country. In my mind, that is unacceptable.
As for pot, it is illegal. Something I think a lot of people are forgetting. I also think drug users are trash.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
Clarification
Drug users are trash, not the occasional mistake that a young person makes while growing up. And yes habitual marijuana smokers are drug users.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
So you get to decide how a black man from poor rural north carolina
relates to american-ness, and you also consider all pot smokers trash?
Wow, you’re tolerant.
by howlingfantods on Jun 16, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care where you're from or what race you are...
If you are living in this country and are enjoying the freedoms and rights provided to you then keep your mouth shut if you don’t agree with the national anthem.
Also, marijuana is ILLEGAL. Someone who repeatedly breaks the law is a criminal. Criminals are trash.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
The real question is why is it illegal?
Hundreds of millions of dollars wasted fighting marijuana, while people are homeless, jobless and without food/water/shelter/healthcare. That is another topic all together though…
RUDY > MJ
Because it's helping to make our country dumber as a whole.
That’s a different debate though.
The Princess of Blazersedge
Also
whether people want to admit it or not. It is the “gateway” drug.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
No
that is a load of crap.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
You're right
The government who stand to make alot of money of said items disagree too. Of course, I always belive the government.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
Weed isn't quite as addictive
And I dare say there would be uproar if it were made to be so. We accept addictive tobacco as the norm for some reason and this makes it much more profitable.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
Actually it wouldn't surprise me if it's legalized soon
AFTER we get out of the current economic crisis.
During the Civil War, Lincoln “freed” the slaves only AFTER a “victory.” He didn’t want people to think that he was freeing slaves just so they could fight for the North and help win the war. He wanted to wait until the war was “going his way” to free them.
If weed was legalized now, people would say it was only done so to fix the economy and people would want to ban it again when the economy got better. Give the economy a couple years to get going again and the issue will arise with the current government.
The Princess of Blazersedge
lol no
Stop reading outdated studies and forming incorrect opinons
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 16, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I formed my opinions from people I know that have screwed their lives up by using marijuana.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
lol
i’m sure plenty of people you know have smoked dope at some point in their life and are doing just fine.
Josh Howard is an example. He chose to smoke pot and he still stacks paper to the ceiling and rides on 24 inch chrome. He’s doing juuuuuust fine.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
by northwestj on Jun 17, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You want more proof that it is a "gateway drug"
http://www.marijuanaaddictiontreatment.org/statistics-facts.html
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
Go find some numbers
That show that alcohol users are more likely to use another drug than marijuana users.
The Princess of Blazersedge
sure
First, to answer your question directly I got some quotes from this link
The Institute of Medicine’s 1999 report on marijuana explained that marijuana has been mistaken for a gateway drug in the past because “Patterns in progression of drug use from adolescence to adulthood are strikingly regular. Because it is the most widely used illicit drug, marijuana is predictably the first illicit drug most people encounter. Not surprisingly, most users of other illicit drugs have used marijuana first. In fact, most drug users begin with alcohol and nicotine before marijuana — usually before they are of legal age.”
A study in the Journal of the American Medical Association on cannabis and its possible role as a gateway drug found that "While covariates differed between equations, early regular use of tobacco and alcohol emerged as the 2 factors most consistently associated with later illicit drug use and abuse/dependence.
Personally, I knew very few people that smoked marijuana before they ever had a sip of alcohol. The fact that alcohol is legal and more attainable makes it a likely first offense for youth, and thus a greater “gateway” drug. A 14 year old is more likely to take some drinks out of daddys liquor cabinet than they are to go track down a joint. At least thats my opinion anyway.
More fun facts about why alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana ahead:
This chart shows that alcohol is far closer to the the level of serious drugs, while pot is less addictive than caffeine. Source
Here is a great website for the alcohol vs marijuana debate. I can highlight some of it here, all of this info is backed up by actual research by the way, the sources and more info are within the link I provided.
There are hundreds of alcohol overdose deaths each year, yet there has never been a marijuana overdose death in history. The consumption of alcohol is also the direct cause of tens of thousands of deaths in the U.S. each year.
Alcohol is one of the most toxic drugs, and using just 10 times what one would use to get the desired effect can lead to death. Marijuana is one of – if not the – least toxic drugs, requiring thousands times the dose one would use to get the desired effect to lead to death. This "thousands times" is actually theoretical, since there has never been a recorded case of marijuana overdose.
Studies find alcohol use contributes to aggressive behavior and acts of violence, whereas marijuana use reduces the likelihood of violent behavior. Alcohol is clearly the drug with the most evidence to support a direct intoxication-violence relationship. Cannabis reduces likelihood of violence during intoxication…
Alcohol use is prevalent in cases of sexual assault and date rape on college campuses. Marijuana use is not considered a contributing factor in cases of sexual assault and date rape, as judged by the lack of discussion of marijuana in sexual assault and date rape educational materials. A Harvard School of Public Heath study found that 72 percent of college rapes occurred when the female was too intoxicated by alcohol to resist/consent.
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jun 16, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Alcohol gets you more intoxicated than heroine
Alcohol also has a greater withdrawal than heroine.
Is this a real study or just some kid with excel?
The Princess of Blazersedge
Have you ever seen a ridiculously drunk person?
You know, the guy that can’t stand up and is puking all over himself. The person that goes unconscious and can’t be woken up. The guy that literally can’t say a word coherent enough to understand. The guy that will wake up this morning with 6 hours of his night 100% blacked out, no memory whatsoever. That is what they are talking about. Alcohol can flat out stop you from functioning if you drink enough of it, just like heroin.
Hangovers are alcohol withdrawls, and they suck from what I remember. People that really abuse alcohol do in fact have nasty withdrawls when coming clean. I doubt they are studying your casual drinkers, this about habitual alcoholics vs habitual heroin/coke/tobacco/caffeine/marijuana users.
Here is the source: Jack E. Henningfield, PhD for NIDA
RUDY > MJ
Tons of people with PhDs run crappy experiments.
Have you ever seen someone who has severely ODed on heroine? The withdrawal makes the world’s worst hangover look like nothing.
This study is looking at the effects of certain drugs after using a certain amount of the drug. I would stake my life on the fact that he is using a more extreme amount of alcohol than he is of any of the other drugs.
Let’s take 1000 drug users who use X amount. This study is looking at the top 1-10 alcohol drinkers in terms of quantity. However, it’s only looking at the average/slightly above average heroine/cocaine user. It looks like an interesting study, but because of that fact I can’t really rely on the info.
And yes, I know this is fact because I’ve seen people on heroine withdrawals and you can’t even compare the worst hangovers I’ve ever seen to these withdrawals.
The Princess of Blazersedge
In fairness
He is a PhD and works for the National Institute of Drug Abuse. I think his opinion on the matter is a respectable one. But we can agree to disagree…
RUDY > MJ
I think alcohol ruins people too.
But it is still legal.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
Do people speed?
Do people get drunk in public? Do they park illegally? Do they gamble with each other? Do they jaywalk?
All of these things are “illegal”, and yet people do them every day. None of these crimes hurt other people, so how are they any different from smoking pot once in a while?
Nearly everyone repeatedly breaks the law without hurting anyone else. Just because the line is drawn differently for some people shouldn’t make them “trash”.
Hurt other people?
Do people get drunk in public? Drunk people are more likely to start fights that sober people. I’ve seen innocent people get hurt in fights all too often.
Do they park illegally? Okay this one probably doesn’t hurt others, barring really severe instances of parking in fire lanes etc.
Do they gamble with each other? I personally know people who have gotten shot at at underground gambling games. So yes.
Do they jaywalk? Pretty sure a jaywalker got hit and killed by an NFL receiver. The jaywalker is dead and the receiver faces emotional and legal issues now. (Oh yeah, he was drunk in public.)
Do people speed Speeding is more likely to cause accidents. Accidents oftentimes kill people other than the driver.
So yes, these things do hurt other people.
The Princess of Blazersedge
And these examples are the most severe examples
Regardless of these strawmen, though. My point is that smoking pot is no more harmful to others than any of these offenses, which we either do, or know many people who do every day/week/month. Why should someone who smokes pot be considered trash because he’s “breaking the law”, but the guy who drives 70 in a 55 gets a free pass?
I'm pretty sure the things I would say here would get me banned
So I can’t properly answer this.
However, even if the examples I chose are severe, that’s why the laws are there… for the severe cases. 99.9999% of the time that someone handling my food doesn’t wish his/her hands won’t hurt me at all. I sure don’t wanna risk that .00001% though.
The Princess of Blazersedge
I don't understand this
the point is completely tangential to what I’m arguing.
As a society, we accept all of these “minor” infractions, which you’re arguing are much more dangerous to others than smoking pot. Why then, should a guy who smokes a joint considered “trash”, but a guy who speeds or gets drunk be just another guy?
I'm pretty sure the things I would say here would get me banned
So I can’t properly answer this.
The Princess of Blazersedge
When is the last time you heard something like this...
“Yeah he was doing good at school but then he started speeding and now he is a dropout”
Yeah its cheesy but the point i’m trying to make is that drugs cause problems. Not that I condone speeding but it is not nearly as bad.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
Anecdotal evidence just leads to confirmation bias
How many times do we hear about the kind who was doing well at school, started smoking, and kept doing well at school? When we only hear about the negative examples it just reinforces stereotypes. I wouldn’t condemn an 18 year old kid for having a beer any more than I would condemn a guy for smoking a joint.
Does this mean I support people getting stoned/drunk out of their mind to the point of damaging their professional lives? No, but demonizing people who can control their habit because some people can’t is ridiculous. We accept alcohol in society even though it ruins some people’s lives because we accept that there’s a certain amount of personal accountability there. Why should marijuana be any different?
So....
What’s next? Legalize cocaine? Heroin? Meth?
Because if we can use marijuana why can’t we snort cocaine?
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
Fine with me
it’s not like the “war on drugs” is making them hard to obtain if you really wanted to get some. If someone wants to ruin their life by abusing drugs, why should I care? They’ll do it whether it’s legal or not. Educating people about the risks of smoking and alcohol has done far more to help people than criminalizing “harder” drugs has for them.
The assumption here is that if people could pick up heroin down at safeway, they’d all of a sudden start shooting up, but people can already go pick up cigarettes there, so why aren’t we all smokers?
I hear ya...
How about taking all of the money used to fight a nonwinnable drug war and put it into to the treatment and education of people with these drug problems? The drugs will always be there, but right now the treatment is not available to many addicts for whatever reason. Most people addicted to hard drugs don’t like being addicted to hard drugs, its just that they are stuck, and need help. Instead of sending a guy to jail for using heroin(where drugs are still available), send him to a treatment center funded by all that wasted drug war money…
RUDY > MJ
I actually partially agree with you.
Treat the problem. Don’t just put a bandaid on it. Part of the treatment is getting rid of marijuana use though.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
This is why I'm all for legalizing drugs
I’m not for using these drugs, but the use isn’t going to stop because it’s illegal. I’m all for legalizing drugs for these reasons.
1. Not using up money on law enforcement for this crap.
2. Gaining tons of tax money by marking prices up like we do with cigs/alcohol. Prices wouldn’t be any higher than they are now either because of the markups on the street. (Which makes sense, risking arrest = big prices for product.)
3. Austrailia did it and didn’t see a rise in usage after a momentary spike.
4. It’s America. When we want to do something, you can’t stop us from doing it. This is really immature of us, but it’s how we as a country roll.
5. If it was all grown/created here then you wouldn’t get bad batches and all that good stuff.
6. It’d create more legal/tax paying jobs!
The Princess of Blazersedge
by Zaig on Jun 16, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
100% disagree
Legalizing it isn’t going to solve anything. It still ruins lives.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
My Dad is blind from glaucoma
And would not be if he had treated it with the"devil weed"instead of BLIND faith in the AMA,I have been treating the same desease for about 10 years and I am not going to go blind because it would make you happy .
by southern oregon on Jun 16, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Outright bad mixtures of drugs are rare
But drugs aren’t always made the same way in the same places. Especially drugs like Meth and Cocaine. So while you might be taking the same amount of a drug, you might be getting two different levels of the drug. If the government controlled everything, the production of the drug would be regulated.
Let’s say alcohol is illegal. You go to a friend a score a 6 pack of “Coors.” You drink it and feel pretty good.
The next week you think “That 6 pack was good, but that friend is out of town.” So you go buy a 6 pack from a different guy, but this time it’s Steel Reserve. (almost 2.5x the AC.) It tastes different, but beer is beer so whatever, you drink it.
Yeah… bad news!
The Princess of Blazersedge
yup
no one in here isn’t doing heroin because it’s illegal (i hope). it’s because we’ve come to the conclusion that it would have a negative impact on our lives.
education, not incarceration. one love.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
What about the kid with ADHD
That was doing bad in school and then started smoking pot and started doing much better?
Or the person with terminal cancer who could not live a fully functional life becase of debilitating pain that chose to get a medical marijuana card instead of being dosed bi-hourly with a legal barbituate drug (oxycodone)?
by TheSportsPsychologist on Jun 16, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Trash
So, imagine it was illegal for women to go outside without their faces covered. If one did, is she trash?
Not all laws are good. It’s okay to break the bad ones. It’s actually immoral to obey a bad law in many cases.
The law is the law.
It is up to us to change the law through congress, not break the laws that our elected officials implement.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
This is different.
Don’t try to compare this to the American Revolution.
This is something that can be decided in the court of law.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
The American Revoloution could have been decided in a court of law too.
That wouldn’t be a very desirable result though.
Ten players, two baskets, 13,000 people, one basketball. And we will decide what is done with that one basketball.
I suggest you read your history before making these kind of statements.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
You can get laws changed/created with the proper support
This wasn’t possible in the 1700s. Revolution was the only way to do it.
You are admitting yourself that if people would all just group together to get weed legalized, it would be so fast. Instead everyone chooses to go about doing things the wrong way.
The Princess of Blazersedge
Because they keep it a secret, because they are afraid of being branded lawbreakers.
If people were willing to break the law openly, it would be changed. That’s the best way to change a law. Get all your friends to break it freely and often until everyone sees that it’s okay.
See, herein lies the problem
Everyone is too stoned and lazy to get together and fight the man :P
The Princess of Blazersedge
The law is the law, and good citizens have a civic resposibilty to fight unjust laws through rational means.
If Martin Luther King had subscribed to the belief that “the law is the law” and should be followed no matter what, it may still be illegal for black people to sit in the front of the bus. Laws are made my people, not gods, and are not perfect. The Supreme Court has ruled several times that Juries don’t have to convict someone of a crime, if they believe the crime the defendant is accused is unjust or unfair.
I don’t trust other people to make my decisions for me, and I don’t trust the law to keep me safe and healthy.
by dario argento on Jun 17, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Tell that to the Native Americans.......
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I dunno...
Diogu is gone… once we get rid of Frye I might bet on 1 or less Blazers who use pot even semi regularly!
The Princess of Blazersedge
For me the issue isn't the smoking itself.
It’s the coming out and talking about it while it is an illegal activity. I also probably wouldn’t be happy if a player came in and said, “I get parking tickets all the time, they’re no big deal, I don’t even bother paying them.” Parking tickets aren’t a big deal, not paying your parking tickets isn’t a big deal. Coming out and telling the media that you don’t pay your parking tickets? That is a big deal.
But should one (series of) bone-head move(s) disqualify him as a Blazer? Truth be told, I’d find a way to justify it if it happened.
εἴγε καὶ ἐνδυσάμενοι οὐ γυμνοὶ εὑρεθησόμεθα.
by T Darkstar on Jun 16, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
Of course I would prefer it if hHoward wouldn’t, it’s a lie to say otherwise. You can be sure he had some serious meetings with management afterwards. On the other hand he is honest about it, and I respect that, too. He claims to have it under control when he uses it, and that it doesn’t interfere with his job. A lot of people do neither.
We should respect people who are brave enough to come out publicly against bad laws, not criticize them.
If everyone who smoked pot admitted it, it would be legal tomorrow.
especially those euros
europe isn’t nearly as uptigtht as america when it comes to drugs.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
Yeah!
Laws are made to be broken. If you decide a law is silly, you should just ignore it.
The Princess of Blazersedge
But be prepared to pay the price
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Jun 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't personal freedom what makes this country so "great?"
So shouldn’t people be free not to like a song?
In short, no.
Why do you think there are hundreds of laws out there that prevent people from doing things they want? It’s because people aren’t smart enough to be allowed to control their own lives. And even things that do not have laws attached to them have social norms. If everyone decided that social norms could be ignored, there would be anarchy.
I agree that the Howard thing was made to be a much bigger deal than it was, but arguing the personal freedom aspect of things doesn’t apply here.
The Princess of Blazersedge
arrg you awakening my inner libertarian
AK1984 will probably write it better, but….
“Why do you think there are hundreds of laws out there that prevent people from doing things they want? It’s because people aren’t smart enough to be allowed to control their own lives.”
THIS is a horrible idea. People are smart enough to control their own lives and should be allowed to do so. they shouldnt harm others .. but other than that.. government should have NO say in what I do as long as I dont harm someone else.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 16, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you don't think you're free...
Visit China or North Korea.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
He has every right to make comments like the one he made about the anthem...
What makes me sick is the fact that most people take these rights for granted. There are people that fight and die for the right to make these kind of comments. To me, it sounds like he does not appreciate this fact.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
Kind of an ironic statement in a comment thread of a basketball blog.
Sleeping under an avalanche with Cartman, wake me Sept 3.
This topic goes beyond basketball
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
so because he was kidding around with his friends
he is trash. im sure he understands the military occasionally defends us from someone taking us over, but cmon… its fairly small on the things that should make him not a player on our team
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 16, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
You're trying to take away the rights you're talking about.
The kind of rights that people died for are exactly the same rights that let you diss the anthem: political freedom.
I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to do so.
I’m saying I wouldn’t want to support this guy because of the stupid things he does.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
You all can bash me all you want
on my stance on drugs. I have seen way too many lives ruined by drugs to back down.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
It's funny that the people who are anti-pot are always the ones on the sidelines, watching...judging...
Rarely do you see someone who’s tried it call it the devil.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 16, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Mostly because it corrupts the mind and is very addictive.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
So my folks who have a vast amount of grand and great grand kids
Only have 2 of them that smoke devil weed and only 2 with college degrees,same 2,that just dont goose step with your dogma
by southern oregon on Jun 16, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The biggest flaw in logic when it comes to humans
Is thinking that a sample size or 1-2 is representative of the norm. For every story like your, I could point out that my dorm hall had about a 50/50 split of pot smokers and non smokers. (36 people in the hall.) We had 9-10 people dropout throughout the year and every one was one of the pot smokers.
The Princess of Blazersedge
Proves nothing
Correlation does not prove causation.
kids who are more likely to drop out are more likely to try pot. still has nothing to do with pot really.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
Ummm, read my post.
I never claimed that smoking weed was the cause for dropping out of college. All I said was that using a lone example to try and prove your point is a flawed way of looking at things. I used a counter example to SOs story to show how that works.
And correlation may not equal causation, but when you get a correlation the whole idea is to find out way. Oftentimes one does cause the other.
The Princess of Blazersedge
Really?
I know dozens of people who have tried it and call it the devil. Although, I’m guessing that the crowd you hang out with enjoys using weed or they wouldn’t be in the crowd you are in. Thus, it’s only natural that the people you know who have tried it like it.
And this is not an insult to you or your lifestyle in any way. Just pointing out that you’re not exactly pulling from an equal sample.
The Princess of Blazersedge
well
if you view the constitution, the basis for our government and country, as a social contract, and you then feel that the government has failed to uphold its end of the contract, then you may have a valid grievance against the US. Since I do not fully know the circumstances of his situation it is hard to say whether his criticisms are valid or not, but I certainly respect everyones right to criticize our country and believe it is essential for democracy.
As for his drug use I could care less. If he is not hurting anyone except for himself then it does not concern me in the slightest.
Also, neither of these things addresses why he would be a cancer that could potentially harm the franchise.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
his grievance was
(right or wrong) “I’m black and this country treats me like ish.. so forget the allegiance” (summed up of course.. whether or not you agree, its a viewpoint he shares with quite a few people. and when he said it, it was more in jest than anything.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 16, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The "offie"
BRILLIANT !!!!!!!!!!!!
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
Sad that this is still an issue
Thank you for the links!
I posted this, went to work for 3 hours, came back, and it turned into a debate about the the value of pot! hahaha
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
No as said in the thread on the main page and as the vast majority of Mavs fans would tell you he is not a cancer
It was a dumb side remark that five years ago wouldn’t even have made it out to the public. At a charity event in the offseason that he was willing to attend to raise money. Without his team telling him to be there. Just because he wanted to help.
He does invest his time and money for camps, charities and events like this all the time. He is the first in his family to attend college. He is pretty smart and outspoken. Probably not the spokesperson for civil rights issues other people would want to hear, but at least he doesn’t shut up about social issues like way too many athletes do.
Here is another secret: Many athletes think the constant playing of the anthem before every game in about every league is a nuisance. And most international NBA players find it weird, since they are only used to hear the anthem for games between countries. Doesn’t make them less patriotic or hating America.
I wouldn’t do this trade, but for other reasons. Give the guy a break. He isn’t even in the same ballpark as cancers and Jailblazers.
I have seen the video. He explained that remark in long interviews, and he knows it was dumb.
He has long held the belief that his involvement in the community is more important than representing the country. Like back in 2007 in the article linked by Royster http://www.dallasobserver.com/2007-02-15/news/i-love-josh-howard/
He very well might be less patriotic and believes a lot is going wrong in the US. People can find that offensive, that’s their free opinion and it’s a valid one. I’m sure both sides have good reasons to hold their opinion. I am offended by calling him a cancer when he is widely and demonstrably known as very involved in the community in Dallas and North Carolina and caring for his teammates and family. Support in Dallas (I would assume at least as conservative a region as Portland) has not become smaller, neither for Howard nor for the Mavericks.
If you don’t like outspoken athletes, you won’t like Howard. He didn’t have it easy, he doesn’t trust easily (like LMA), he has a chip on his shoulder for being passed over in the draft, he can explode but that happens rarely now (he e.g. didn’t get ejected or fined in the playoffs when things really didn’t go in the Mavs way), and he can make dumb remarks and mistakes. He has apologized for those he made, and given good reasons for those he doesn’t feel he needs to apologize for. He cares about his teammates, the fans, his family, and deeply about the communities he grew up with and now lives in.
I don’t define “team cancers” just in terms of wins or losses once a player comes to a team and leaves again. There are players who can destroy a team from within and still perform good themselves or as a group on the court. Josh Howard isn’t one of them. I didn’t say yes to Dave’s trade suggestions (I think the Mavs wouldn’t even make that offer), but I would take him any day over a number of players with worse character.
by Norsktroll on Jun 16, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He isn’t even in the same ballpark as cancers and Jailblazers.
While I can’t really comment on what Howard does to the locker room, that statement is incorrect. Some of the players who were on those Blazer teams and considered part of that team’s “culture” were in a similar state to Howard. A little bit of illicit drugs, some dumb statements, and some volunteer work for the community. That describes a number of the early-2000’s Blazers, therefore it’s a fair comparison.
Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want him. It is what it is though.
Exactly
Howard = Damon, Rasheed-light, and even Miles. All of these “jailBlazers” were accused of nothing more than bad judgement and pot smoking.
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I agree
and I think Damon and Sheed have caught a little worse of a rap than they should have, but those guys both smoked in-season, and were caught a couple times. If Howard had been completely obsessed with PR (in a Kobe/A-Rod sense), this would never have gotten out. He was honest about his use because he doesn’t agree with the law. Keeping it under wraps just perpetuates the problem as he sees it.
That being said, there were plenty of seriously bad people on those teams which magnified Sheed and Damon’s problems like Qyntel, Z-Bo, Ruben, Trent, and J.R.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply equivalence
Sheed certainly has never cared beyond playing basketball and getting paid, but he never beat his wife, or was involved with anything illegal other than pot, as opposed to some of the other players of the era. And certainly, he became quite possibly the best locker room guy in the league in 2004 and 2005 with the Pistons. I just meant to say on the scale of jailblazer-ness, Sheed was maybe a 2 or a 3 at most.
Howard is like a -10, though. If anything, he’s a net positive guy that any team would like to have. This is such a non-story with him.
I was admittedly thinking of Damon when I wrote that
But I knew it applied to some of the others too…
Agreed in part. Howard does much more than "some volunteer work", and he does it on his own time and with his own money
Not because a team representative told him to do it. He has stated it’s also a major part of what he wants to do after he retires (he plans to do so at around 33-35).
I don’t want to put all players of the “Jailblazers” era in the same folder. Not all were bad apples. But as far as I know Howard was never involved with shootings a la Tinsley (what is that era in Pacers basketball called?), weapons, dogfighting, coach hitting, coach insulting, …
The fact that Howard has 3 years left is why I don't want him.
And the fact that he has gotten worse in each of the last 3 years and Batum should keep getting better.
And the fact that Rudy has 3x the mileage left that Howard has.
The Princess of Blazersedge
Oh yeah, that's the other thread
He’s obviously cancer because he wants to retire at 33-35. We don’t want Roy/LMA/Oden thinking that they are allowed to leave before they are 40.
The Princess of Blazersedge
Agreed in part. Howard does much more than “some volunteer work”, and he does it on his own time and with his own money
I’m pretty sure a number of the Blazers who volunteered from that team were not forced to do so by the team.
Don’t get me wrong, some clearly were forced (nobody will forget the Rasheed-at-Christmas story), but others were good community folks, it was just not seen much in the media at the time.
Another point is...
he may not be a locker room cancer. There are a lot of troubled athletes that have the full support of their teammates. He is a cancer in the sense that he is the exact type of person that portland doesn’t need.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
Portland would
Liberal Portland is all about equal rights.
Equal pay for men and women
Equal job opportunities for men and women
Equal ability to get beat up for men and women
The Princess of Blazersedge
Jason Kidd is a great barometer
If you’re ok with Jason, you’re ok with some level of questionable behavior.
I have a hard time supporting a trade for Kidd, unless we can hear some sign that he’s really turned it around and is making up for his past.
And I would be the same way for Josh Howard.
Everyone makes mistakes. No one should be forever condemned for them. I would gladly support Josh Howard if he showed that he was worth it.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
Here is a pretty complete list of guys with various levels of character issues. Sham is crazy and tracks all such stuff
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/character.jsp
Pick your poison. Categories:
- Owners with boners.
- Head coaches gone wild.
- Arrested for possessing or supplying drugs.
- Drinking and driving, or driving too fast. Or both.
- Stuff involving frauleins.
- Violent stuff.
- Alcoholics (not anonymous).
- Thieves.
- Gun crime.
- Disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, etc.
- Traffic violations other than drink driving and speeding
- Other
Zach Randolph manages to show up in 8 categories, which must be some record.
by Norsktroll on Jun 16, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
woah, J.R. Smith.
9th June 2007: Drove through a stop sign, and hit another car. Neither Smith nor his passenger in the car were wearing their seatbelts. Smith was unharmed, but his passenger was killed. Issued a summons on minor traffic charges, but not charged with vehicular homicide.
proud hinrichsheeple
Overall opinion
Josh Howard is a knucklehead. He is not a bad guy, or a cancer, but he does make dumb decisions and is not looking to surround himself with people who will help him make better ones. Smoking Pot is nothing that should be discussed by any athlete in any interview, it is just not smart, honesty, while good, is not always prudent.
As for the anthem, that one stung me a bit because of my service, and my friends who have served this country in the armed forces. But that is mainly because of how I personally view the national anthem. In the corp, when the anthem is played or sung, everyone who hears it stops what they are doing, stands at attention and salutes the direction of the music. Entire military bases, with thousands of troops on them will be come silent for the duration of this anthem. This is for two reasons, first it is in respect and honor for not only our country, but for those who have fought and died before us in our country’s history to give us this country we have today. Second it is in honor of the men who fought during the bombardment of Fort McHenry by the British in the War of 1812. You see, in the corp history, and the respect it deserves is as important as anything else that is done.
The respect I have been taught for it, is not something I expect from an average American who may have never thought of it that way, so while my first reaction is to condem Howard for his words and actions toward our country’s anthem, I can not follow that reaction down a course to condem him. His views are different from mine, I fought to protect his views as well as my own, and I am proud that I can still live, work, and play in a country that allows all views to be heard without prejudice or retribution from our government.
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by usmcr3049 on Jun 16, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Also, just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you go and disrespect it.
How well would it go over if a player said in an interview one of the following. “The Bible is stupid.” “Britain is stupid.” “Muslims are stupid.” (I personally don’t believe any of these, just choosing random things.)
Just because you don’t like something, doesn’t mean you need to let the whole world know.
The Princess of Blazersedge
well, it's not like Howard held a press conference
he was talking to a cell phone at an informal charity football game. I think it’s safe to assume he felt it was fairly private company. I know I’ve said many things amongst friends that I would never repeat to a mass audience because it would be disrespectful or insensitive to someone else. This just happened to be a similar moment of his that got broadcast to the world.
But also, you are not a famous athlete...
Whether he likes it or not, he is in the public spotlight. It is up to him to make sure he behaves himself while in public.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
behaves himself for who?
his sponsors? Is he not entitled to his opinion just because he’s a pro athlete, he has to fit into everyone’s stereotype? He always has to agree with the government and love everything our country does and has ever done because he’s in the public eye?
Like I said, he’s not holding press conferences to announce a jihad or anything. Why should it matter how he feels about a political subject. He was raised by someone who was effectively denied the right to vote for half of her life, and he’s supposed to not supposed to think anything but “gee golly, this place couldn’t be any better and I sure am lucky to be here”?
I understand this
But it’s the age of the internet. You really shouldn’t say/do things in public that you don’t want people to notice anymore. It kinds of sucks for athletes/celebrities, but I guess it’s a side effect of the millions they make.
The Princess of Blazersedge
to be fair to howard
he didn’t grow up in the age of the internet, much less a being tech-head.
The idea that anything and everything you say can be recorded on a camera phone and put on youtube in 5 minutes is a very, very new development. if someone doesn’t know their feelings are going to be broadcasted, they are going to be much more honest. Sasha Baron Cohen does a great job of illustrating this.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
Give me a break...
I didn’t grow up in that age either, but I still know how to use a video function on a cell phone, and I watch stuff on youtube all the time. Howard should have known better, and if the cell phone user was a friend of his, then he should be a little more careful in picking them.
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if someone recorded everything that i have ever said
and put a few choice cuts on youtube, i’m sure there’s ways to make me look like a complete jerk.
it’s not like the guy held a press conference to announce that he doesn’t say the national anthem
Yellow Mamba FTW!
The only reason this is an issue is because he's rich
There are a number of people who would gladly agree with what Howard said, yet because they aren’t a big time NBA player, no one cares about their opinion. I’ve been to events where people are texting during the national anthem. It’s unfair that Howard gets these criticisms just because he’s in a more public profile. He’s no less or greater of a person than you or me, or anyone who has done a similar act.
This is a classic case of the Internet/blog revolution blowing something ridiculously out of proportion because there is nothing else to talk about. Everyone wants to hold famous people to a higher standard of morals, and it’s such stupid hypocrisy. Americans can’t even hold their own elected officials to these standards, now I’m supposed to be outraged over Josh Howard? Give me a break.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 16, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
News flash
When you are rich and famous people care about what you do and say more.
The Princess of Blazersedge
I don’t want to insult you, I really don’t because I highly respect people serving a greater good and have done so myself. And I think Howard made a very dumb remark that he rightly had to apologize for. But did you know the melody is from a drinking song? And they cut out a verse when making it the national anthem because it insults the British?
And I would find it much more solemn if they only used to play the anthem for special occasions during sports events (such as a national championship game, international competitions where the athlete is clearly representing his country and not just some team), and not before every darn little league game. That makes it less special in the eyes of many people who take it less seriously, or have never really given it a lot of thought what it should mean to them because it just “belongs to the program”.
by Norsktroll on Jun 16, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would wager that a man who refuses to sing the National Anthem but is aware of and appreciates the sacrifices others have made is far more patriotic
than someone who faithfully sings the Anthem but has no idea about American history.
Just sayin.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 16, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
From what I have read
The songs tune came from the british drinking game, the peom that was orginally written by Key was not set to music. Key gave the poem to a relative of his, can’t remember the relation, who found that the words of the peom matched up with the popular song. There are 4 verses in the peom, but only the 1st is sung as the National Anthem, and really having read them before it is not as if verse 3 says anything like, “die English dogs!”
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
is the part I guess you are talking about not being sung becuase of the British. Although I don’t believe it is because it is an insult, but because it is kind of bloody for a National Anthem. Personally my favorite verse is the final one…
O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: ‘In God is our trust.’
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave
As for your point about it being more solemn if used less often, I don’t agree. In fact one of the many things I miss about base life is the playing of the anthem before even movies at the theater. Maybe it is not realistic of me to believe every American should be pround of this song, not only for why its orginal poem was written, but for the history of America, which even given all of the mistakes we have made along the way, is still something to be proud of!
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by usmcr3049 on Jun 16, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think people should know about the history of the anthem. And it’s not a unusual that only a part of it is used or that people might think it’s outdated, that happens with a lot of national anthems (Germany because a verse not used today mentions areas that today aren’t Germany anymore, Austria for only mentioning to be the home of proud sons, I think Sweden, France is also a revolution battle song, etc.). I still would prefer if national anthems are only used for more important occasions.
With you on that Norsk
I went to a 3rd world movie theater where they played the national anthem before the movie,no harm no foul but a what is the point kind of lame thing.
by southern oregon on Jun 16, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
agree
sports is one arena where nationalities are set aside. playing the national anthem at every game is very political – it started during world war II and it would be blasphemous for anyone to suggest to stop doing it.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
actually the first Nation Anthem
was sung at a baseball game during the 7th inning right around 1918 or so. Maybe it became a staple at the beginning of sports games during ww2 though, of that I am unsure.
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possibly.
Since I was interested, I looked it up.
In 1916, President Woodrow Wilson ordered that “The Star-Spangled Banner” be played at military and other appropriate occasions. Although the playing of the song two years later during the seventh-inning stretch of the 1918 World Series is often noted as the first instance that the anthem was played at a baseball game, evidence shows that the “Star-Spangled Banner” was performed as early as 1897 at opening day ceremonies in Philadelphia and then more regularly at the Polo Grounds in New York City beginning in 1898. However, the tradition of performing the national anthem before every baseball game began in World War II.6 Today, the anthem is performed before the beginning of all MLS, NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL games (with at least one American team playing), as well as in a pre-race ceremony portion of every NASCAR race.
From the wikipedia page. So it appears northwestj was correct in that the tradition to play it at the beginning of every game was started during WWII. But it was played at various sporting events prior to that.
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Wasn't thanking you
Unless you are usmcr and this is just your non mod name!
The Princess of Blazersedge
I took a screen shot of this post
Next time you try and stand up for America I’m going to use this against you!!!
The Princess of Blazersedge
sorry princess
make a mo’ bettah one.
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
wallace> howard
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
Cancer? Nah. Dumb? Sure.
Or in fairness without knowing him, he’s made some dumb decisions.
On the other hand I don’t have a problem with someone not wanting to sing the Nat’l Anthem. And I have a hard time squaring a true patriot with someone who criticizes free speech (or the choice not to speak at all)
Blazer Fan
wassap appel??!??! change the threat to "NO FUN THREAD, JOIN BRP IN JUNK DRAWER"
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
haha
I’m just an emotional poster, like norsktroll, it is somewhat offensive to me when people toss around the term ‘cancer’ without thinking about it, i just wanted to see where other people stood on the topic, without making the junk drawer all lame.
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
FTR not saying norsk is emotional, saying i'm also offended by people's kneejerk labeling of players.
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
[commencing to give prez atomic wedgie]
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
we need another prezcast
talking about the s4e banning. i miss a couple of 1000 comment JDs, and i’m in the dark.
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
I agree
although I feel especially strongly about Howard because he’s one of the more politically involved guys around the league. We complain all the time about political apathy in the country, but the second a public figure opens their mouth, everyone who disagrees yells about how they don’t know what they’re talking about.
I may disagree with everything about his politics, but I’d rather have a league full of guys like Spencer Hawes than full of “Republicans buy sneakers, too” MJ’s.
If this is the part of the thread that's still left
I really wanna read the deleted portions. Too bad S4E isnt’ around anymore, he was always good for producing deleted threads.
Trying not to get banned from the internets
To be honest, almost none of it's been nuked
maybe 10-15 comments, it looks like. Mainly between me and Zaig about the people who smoke pot and their belief in their ability to drive, from what I can recall. Didn’t seem to be much worse than the other stuff here, but some of the wording might have gone over the line at some point. Hopefully no bannings were issued, though.
There was a third poster who said something that got it deleted
I don’t think any of what we said was out of line, just different research on the same subject.
The Princess of Blazersedge
i was under the impression that that happened in a JD, days ago
hmmm
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
For the most part, y'all've seemingly handle yourselves pretty well throughout this contentious thread.
While I won’t explain my position on certain issues brought up here in any detail — at least not at this point in time — let me just say that I’d happily have someone of Josh Howard’s character represent my favorite team. On the other hand, I’d find it extremely difficult to root for somone of, oh, Ruben Patterson’s ilk.
http://www.seattlepi.com/basketball/23174_sonx16.shtml
No matter the disdain I’ve got for Howard Schultz and Wally Walker, I credit them immensely for parting ways with Patterson after the 2000-2001 season. Despite my belief that most people are uptight prudes whenever rambling on and on about the supposed importance of culture and whatnot in the realm of pro sports, even I was pleased to see Patterson move down the I-5 corridor from Seattle to Portland in the summer of 2001.
Patterson is scum
He and Woods battle for my least favorite Blazer of all time spot, but Patterson usually wins since he was relevant longer.
The Princess of Blazersedge
Maybe Bill Laimbeer stepped down just at the right time.
Although I think he’ll probably be an assistant coach before he gets the lead job.
I hope that h86 never has to do chemo
He would have to take a hard look at his dogma,if you step in it please dont track it in the house.
by southern oregon on Jun 16, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions
When it comes to arguments of this nature
I feel that it’s probably for the best not to comment much. You’re always going to have people with strong opinions on both side of the fence. I’m just not really the arguing type. It’s nearly impossible to state your opinion without having others who don’t share the same view and then attempt to cut you down. Oh well. Just now I had a case of dejavu.
I love my country becuase I can chose to be a loser and a pot head and live out the rest of my days unmolested by any such law enforcement as long as I ain't caught in a raid or trying to move more than an ounce at a time :)
Bah humbug to anyone who has a problem with anyone doing whatever they darn well please provided they aren’t hurting anyone or anything other than themselves… I mean I understand the argument that pot is bad and illegal and all that, I hear you, I feel you, I respect you for making that choice, but just remember that it takes the bone heads that are not worth the time of the day to hoist oneself up so high as to call them trash… those are some pretty strong words for other people dude…. I mean we’re talking about people, PEOPLE….. who are getting a nasty label due to a technicality here, especially when it comes to pot….Laws are made by man and change as the wind does, so are they as solid as say death is certain?, no they’re guidelines and we’ll bend and break them and provide silly people jobs to continue the silly system that we all live.
It works this system it does, but if pot were reallllllllllly all that bad, why is it that I can be caught with about a gram, get sited a ticket, have my buds confiscated, and be turned loose the same day?
As far as I’m concerned it’s a minor crime and shouldn’t be. Your trying to treat it as if it were AS illegal as say Murder… and right now someone is rolling their eyes and coming up with some argument about there not being levels of crime and that illegal is illegal, but I beg to differ, and I doubt we’ll ever agree… but society sucks and it has it’s levels, What was that crooks name that stole or swindled his way into alot of money? Levy? Martha Stewart? That Anderson firm? The Enron corps. Crimes right? Criminal’s right? All of em and everyone who helped em succeed no? I mean accessories yeah especially in the Enron deal I mean how many people does it take to run a multi billion dollar sham of a company…. they all had a hand in it? Why aren’t prison sentences running rampant?… oh yeah money… ha…..
Do you have any idea how many people have died because Pot is illegal?
You can have your illegal status and I shall rage against it… ;‘) god willing I’ll win.
lol….
Trash is not considering that some people make bad decisions and forgetting that they are people.
Trash is not considering that some people are able to make bad decisions and learn from them and make good decisions.
Trash is the inability to accept that not everyone thinks like them.
Trash is what Supremist groups are made of.
Trash is not giving a hoot about homeless people who made bad choices.
Trash is being so self absorbed that one would call another Trash.
Josh Howard in MY opinion is stupid for encouraging young people to smoke Pot and do illegal things. I respect him for being honest about it, but I discourage him from ever being that open about a subject like that again given he is a role model for the general public and should conform to their standards (he may very well have been given most college students these days will admit to the occasional puff).
Our country has its privacy laws not only to protect us from others, but also to protect us from itself and its own laws.
If you can’t respect the Freedoms I have to say what I want then maybe YOU should keep your "Mouth Shut"
BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN…. I probably deserve it… but darn it. that comment should have been deleted by now.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Jun 16, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed faith....calling someone or some people group "trash" is toeing the line rather closely
we decided to leave it not necessarily due to the merit of the comment itself, but rather because we didn’t want to delete the whole thread in getting rid of it. if you delete a comment, all replies get wiped out, which would have killed like half the thread.
I don’t agree with drug use nor do I think it should be legal, but I do understand (to some extent) why people argue for it. I did a lot of research into it for a college paper….it’s quite an interesting conundrum we’re in. I’m curious to see where it goes.
by prezofdeath on Jun 17, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
What I want to know is...
When did it become unacceptable to trash on illegal activities?
Is breaking the law acceptable? To me it sounds like some on here actually encourage it.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
fair enough.
but bear in mind that sweeping generalizations are usually not completely accurate.
Trust me, I’m on your side—I am very anti-drug….I just think there’s a better way to convince people our opinion is better than to simply call them trash. Use stats, use anecdotes, use something—name calling isn’t going to get it done most of the time.
Just my thoughts…I could be wrong obviously :-)
by prezofdeath on Jun 17, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably right...
I just tend to get a little angry when I argue something that I really believe.
I am sorry to all the people I offended.
"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler
thank you, and I too should apppppp oligize.
I’m sorry team :( I’m sorry Irh86. I’m sorry site.
:) now back to smokin my fattie and raging against the machine :) giggle.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
This is what i get for putting josh howard and culture in the same post
maybe i need to fanshot this at mavsmb, or therocketsblog, or just kill it before it gets even worse, i was really hoping my boy Artest4Prez would show up and smack some people around for me…
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
I refuse to get sucked into this mess again, but people who haven't experienced things typically aren't as well qualified to comment on them as people who have
And I think a lot of you – once you experience life a little bit more – will realize it’s full of grey areas.
Let’s leave it at that.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 17, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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thanks LRJ
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
About this debate
It is very interesting to me to see how passionate people are on all sides of the issues. And yet, we are all tied together right here by virtue of our appreciation of a certain group of athletes, soon — I daresay — to dominate the professional basketball standings and who are known affectionately to at least a few as Da Blazers.
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 20, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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