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As we work our way through Ben's excellent reports on the guys coming through workouts it would be a good idea to look at the apparent criteria KP and his staff use when selecting Portland players.  Obviously a peek at the secret scouting reports and formulae would be out of the question, but we've seen patterns emerge through the last few drafts that could be helpful.  For instance...

1.  The Blazers tend to value height in their draft picks.  Pretty much every player selected has been of average height or taller for their position.

2.  The Blazers tend to value, well...value.  You seldom see them go with the obvious, overpriced picks nor trade up to get them.  Greg Oden would be about the only exception, but this criterion changes when you select first overall.   A Kevin Pritchard pick is seldom flashy but seldom obscure.  It's like the guilty guy in Perry Mason.  You saw him all along but you never guessed he was the guy until Perry made it clear.

3.   Level of competition plays into it.  You don't really see the small-school picks.  Europe is obviously more than OK though.

4.  Character factors in.  It'll be interesting to see how this plays if the Blazers trade up and have not interviewed the guy the end up selecting.

5.  There's usually something about the guy that gives him the potential to be dominant:  Roy's determination and leadership, LaMarcus' fluidity and offensive skills, Greg's size, Jerryd's athleticism, Nic's quickness, Sergio's passing ability.  You may ask, "Isn't think true of every pick?"  It isn't.  Some picks are safer, all-around guys...guys you know will be good but who aren't going to be great.  Jarrett Jack is a good player.  Jarrett Jack is a generalist.  Jarrett Jack is also gone.  Jerryd Bayless is here though.

6.  Best player available is the mantra.  Position is usually  secondary.

7.  The Blazers will make most any trade necessary to get the man they want, understanding that it's not always possible.

So...given that list are there any players that scream out to you at the moment?  Share your thoughts below.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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I’d add in high TS%.

Batum, LMA, Rudy, Roy, Bayless and Greg all shot the ball very well before we drafted them.

by wepto on Jun 16, 2009 2:02 AM PDT reply actions  

A big scream to

DeJuan Blair.

I would scream like a little schoolgirl if we got him.

Please no jokes about how I would do that anyway.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Jun 16, 2009 2:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Blair's not tall for his position

but he’s got a A++ skill (rebounding) that “gives him the potential to be dominant”

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

My top 3 (Rubio, Jennings and Blair)

all seem like they could be KP picks as well. It should be noted that KP has selected at least 2 of the players I would pick at the same spot 3 years in a row (LMA, Roy, Sergio, Oden, Rudy, Bayless and Batum). He seems to value a lot of the same qualities in players I have.

5. There’s usually something about the guy that gives him the potential to be dominant: Roy’s determination and leadership, LaMarcus’ fluidity and offensive skills, Greg’s size, Jerryd’s athleticism, Nic’s quickness, Sergio’s passing ability. You may ask, “Isn’t think true of every pick?” It isn’t. Some picks are safer, all-around guys…guys you know will be good but who aren’t going to be great. Jarrett Jack is a good player. Jarrett Jack is a generalist. Jarrett Jack is also gone. Jerryd Bayless is here though.

This is very important. In the NBA you surround your very good or great players with role players. The best role players in this league are specialists that are elite at one or two particular skills. Even if most of our picks didn’t entirely work out, or they weren’t able to become whole as a basketball player, particular skills that each of our picks over the recent years have had skills that make them special in certain situations. This will continue to be important as we’re currently in the part of our development that having those role players that surround our solid core is the most important things we can do.

When you hear rumors about players we’re interested in these days we’re noticing this more and more. Kirk Hinrich is a specialty defender with a great shooting stroke. Tayshaun Prince is a great wing defender that can play a passive role on offense and still be effective. Antonio McDyess is a really good defender and rebounder that also has a solid mid range game. Each of these type of guys has specific role to play on both ends of the floor. This is most likely also how KP will see prospects in this draft.

Ricky Rubio – Elite distributor on offense with a very good and disruptive game on defense.
Brandon Jennings – Great slasher with elite court vision. THE best gambler in this draft (5 steals per 40 minutes).
DeJuan Blair – Among the best college boarders in the history of college (8 offensive boards per 40). Can body up big post players.

There are a couple other guys that we might be able to find at our pick or later…

Darren Collison – Elite deep threat with ability to run an offense. Top level defense on quicker smaller point guards.
Austin Daye – Elite shooter from everywhere, creates matchup problems for power forwards. Disruptive defender with his length.
Danny Green – Strong perimeter defender with shutdown potential. High level deep threat with athleticism.
Rodrigue Beaubois – Great length and quickness defensively. Slasher with knack for finishing around the bucket.
Taj Gibson – Great athleticism and length in an already good defensive player. Ability to score at a decent rate facing up or with his back to the basket.

I suspect KP will come out of this draft with at least one of these players. If I had to guess I’d put my money on DeJuan Blair at the end of the lottery. He’s a great fit on this team and wouldn’t cost too much to trade up for. Although as you mention…

1. The Blazers tend to value height in their draft picks. Pretty much every player selected has been of average height or taller for their position.
KP has valued height in the past, that neglects Blair’s true measurements. His wingspan and standing reach make up for his height. But more than that, his statistics suggest a player that will make the most of his minutes by ending opponents possessions and extending our own with his legendary rebound rates. His ability to do these things in limited minutes will ease the pain of his supposed knee issues. I can’t see much worry about a player that will ideally play 10-15 minutes per game. I can’t imagine a better immediate fit from this draft on this team than DeJuan Blair. He’s been my 1a target since December, and I think it’d be a mistake to let the height or injury history come in the way of him being a Blazer.

by as11osu on Jun 16, 2009 2:37 AM PDT reply actions  

not another rookie PG

please!

The Blazers have acquired a rookie PG in the last 5 drafts. I know this year’s class is lousy deep with PGs, but it’s time to look elsewhere. Nate will have his hands full with Jerryd this year. KP needs to add a tough veteran PG who can defend

Trade up for Blair, or trade out of round 1 and save the guaranteed rookie salary to spend on a FA

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

You address your holes

until Bayless does ANYTHING, you have to consider it a hole.

by as11osu on Jun 17, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do not remember that the Blazers interviewed Jerryd before the draft

At least not in Portland.

Add to your point about competition that KP seems to favor prominent programs for college kids. Washington, Texas, Ohio State and Arizona and in free agents Maryland, Duke. Pretty much all the rest are foreign players that KP has acquired. He knows the coaches and trusts their judgment and training is my surmise.

by lee3022 on Jun 16, 2009 2:50 AM PDT reply actions  

"The Blazers value height"

Or wingspan. Don’t forget wingspan!

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008 and Steve Blake since two weeks ago.

by Kaboomm on Jun 16, 2009 5:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I feel like this is an open question

Whom the Blazers pick is going to be decided by some other trade deal that’s on the table. There are a lot of potentially good point guards and a lot of backup power forwards. But until KP has an idea what trade he’s making, he won’t know which need he still has to fill.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008 and Steve Blake since two weeks ago.

by Kaboomm on Jun 16, 2009 6:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Fallen Angels

KP loves fallen angels – essentially guys who are undervalued by the market.

If a guy like Blair starts slipping, I would not be surprised to see KP trade up and draft him. In the past two drafts he has gone after Fernandez, Bayless and Batum. From a vet perspective, he has traded for James Jones, Von Wafer and Ike Diogu.

by da34shadow on Jun 16, 2009 6:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Wafer was a mid-season acquisition

One of the the few deals that KP has made outside of draft day

(Taureen Green to Denver, IIRC)

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry

He fulfills all criteria except for the “big school”, but is a known quantity now because he returned for another year. He strikes me as a mini-Roy in how he behaves. Humble but also very cerebral on the floor. Superpower: Shooting ability, you are surprised if a shot is nothing but net, could really spread the floor as an off-guard next to Roy. Problem: Questions about defensive ability. And he will go very high, we likely would have to trade for the #5 with Washington to be sure to get him.

DeJuan Blair: Fills the role of backup banger gobbling up rebounds perfectly. Great kid in interviews, eloquent and confident of what he can do but doesn’t boast. Knows he represents the city and the school. Good performance throughout the year and in the NCAA finals. Better stats (minute/pace adjusted) across the board than top 5 pick Jordan Hill. Undersized in height but of adequate size in terms of wingspan and reach. Has lost significant weight preparing for the draft. Might drop into a range the Blazers could trade up to thanks to questions about his knees and weight (not the ideal starter to build around, limited upside).

Darren Collison: Fights hard on the floor, and loves defense. “Veteran” team leader, poised and controlled. Very quick (3rd best in the draft overall), and great “game speed”. Makes his free throws at a 90% clip. Has a decent outside shot around 40%. UCLA product. Would be immediately useful as a #2 or #3 backup point guard if Sergio leaves, but limited upside (no real “star” potential). Should be available around #24.

Rodrigue Beaubois: International sleeper at the edge of the first round. Almost as athletic as Bayless, smaller but much more wingspan. If Bayless is B-Rex, he is a winged dinosaur. Blazers already worked him out twice last year, when he pulled out of the draft. A scout said a few years ago he couldn’t speak English, couldn’t shoot, couldn’t dribble, and now he does all of those things.

by Norsktroll on Jun 16, 2009 6:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm slowly getting on the Curry bandwagon.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 16, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

if KP wants him, then I’m fine with it. He’s not a guy that I really want, though. Defense is a big question mark.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 16, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Defense is a big question mark for Sergio and Blake too.

I think it all depends on what they would have to give up to get him. I never would have thought we could have gotten Bayless just by giving up Jack.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 16, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

if I were to be completely honest with myself, my heart wants Steph, but my mind knows that he is a defensive liability and could struggle getting his own shot. Sure, I love his demeanor, stroke, and high BBIQ… and I’d talk myself into him if we did acquire him. It would just be hard to watch the defense.

It’d be funny, though. Curry, Rudy, and Martell on the same team. That is a collection of three wonderful jump shots.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 16, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

A pterodactyl, possibly?

In all seriousness, though, all those guys seem like reasonable picks. Curry strikes me as an incredibly high floor player. For all the talk about his feasting on weak opposition, he flat out dominated whenever Davidson played a big time opponent (44 points at OU with Griffin and Warren jumps out to me). He strikes me as a guy who will contribute on a Jason Terry type level at the minimum. His length is a bit of a concern, but that’s about it for me. If we’re looking for a guy who complements Roy in a similar way to Blake, there’s no one in the draft better than Curry.

I like Blair, and Beaubois would be awesome in the second or with a bought pick. I go back and forth on Darren. I certainly wouldn’t complain if we got him, but it’s hard to see him contributing much unless big changes are made at the PG spot. It kind of strikes me that he could be stuck in a similar situation to Taurean last year.

by Royster on Jun 16, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, not really...

He isn’t tall for his position — if you think he’ll turn into a true point guard, he’s average sized, if not, he’s short.

It’s tough to say he’s a value pick. His stock has climbed faster than anyone’s. If you draft him at 5, you’re buying internet stocks in 2000. Might work out, but getting him at that pick certainly isn’t finding a diamond in the rough.

I don’t know why you would draft him unless you’re done with Bayless. It makes no sense to have those two on the same roster.

You know who was a great college guard at 6’2"…such a good shooter and clever player that he convinced a team to draft him in the lottery to play point guard, even though he had never really played the point in college? Shawn Respert.

by Hawthorne Wingo on Jun 16, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I absolutely agree with quite a few of the names listed above. I’ve been on the Beaubois bandwagon since last June, and with Blair since the start of the college season. Those two make a lot of sense, given Blair’s elite rebounding and Beaubois’ elite athleticism and draft-n-stash potential.

Collison makes a lot of sense as a situational third point guard to bring in for defense and shooting. A perfect backup point guard going forward.

Others that seem like a KP pick: Curry, Gibson, Casspi, Claver, De Colo, and Norel.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 16, 2009 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

I like all of those except Norel. He has some skills but runs slow like molasses. Claver and if he falls out Beaubois seem like very good second round international candidates for KP. Gibson might be a great guy to fill out the rotation, but I would be a bit weary to have him as the default #2 PF backup right out of the gate.

by Norsktroll on Jun 16, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only say Norel because someone (DX, maybe?) reported that KP liked him. He’s the only one on that list that I’ve never seen play.

proud hinrichsheeple

by Cablinasian on Jun 16, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

dave just called greg oden “obvious, overpriced” . lol

by Ben Golliver on Jun 16, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Not the first time we've drafted without interviews/workouts

Dave wrote:

“Character factors in. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays if the Blazers trade up and have not interviewed the guy the end up selecting.”

We’ve already faced this situation haven’t we? Bayless didn’t work out for the Blazers.

by grigs on Jun 16, 2009 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

If I remember the "O" coverage correctly

They went down to Arizona to check him out, and played gumshoe with everybody in his college organization they could get to talk to them. So he wasn’t interviewed directly, but apparently he was extensively “profiled”.

by conspirator5 on Jun 16, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Team players

Rubio, for his BBall IQ, anticipation, passing … but he’s talked about (and shown) team play. The 5 on the court along with everyone on the bench.

Blair, for his enjoyment of rebounding … to go along with good hands, width/length/strength and attitude.

DannyGreen, has just enough athleticism and length, nearly 50-40-90 numbers, defense on the perimeter (including blocking shots on the perimeter), but it’s mostly about “doing the little things” to help his team and working in the offseason to address his own weaknesses.

by HoopsFan on Jun 16, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Dave,

did you just throw out a Perry Mason reference. Maybe 5%of this site have any idea who that is.. :)
I doubt Ben even knows.

One thing you failed to mention is athleticism. Although Brandon doesnt look like, he is. KP has a history of picking guys with strong athleticism. Even Oden was a beast in the combine. Just a thought for the Blair lovers.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 16, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

KP has a history of picking guys with strong athleticism. Even Oden was a beast in the combine. Just a thought for the Blair lovers.

Not all the great “athletes” have the toughness that Blair offers. KP may have adjusted his “focus” after the Houston series

(and if he didn’t, he should have)

No more skinny wing players, please!

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our time to take a chance.

I’ve read hundreds of blogs and entries debating the “to trade”, or “not to trade” debacle. And what I have come to see is that most people would make a trade if it’s a substantial upgrade, but if it is not, why disrupt the team chemistry?

 The same holds true to the draft, we have the option to essentially keep a very similar roster to this past year and one that was quite successful. This is our time to take a risk, even a big risk, if it doesn’t pan out, we still have our successful roster. In my opinion, the risk to take is Jennings, he has the highest upside of anyone in the draft, I say roll the dice. If he doesn’t pan out, oh well, look at all the talent we still have.

If we are going to take someone who is young, go big or go home. I do not want to draft a rebounder or a banger. We get that in free agency with a veteran. Doing that, then we kill two birds with one stone, we get the rebounder/banger and we get veteran presence and tutilage.

by The Black White and Red Mamba. on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

I do not want to draft a rebounder or a banger. We get that in free agency with a veteran

Why not add both? Bring in a veteran PF/C who will be content to sit until he’s needed, meanwhile he could work with LMA and Blair and tech them all “the tricks” Then, when the playoffs roll around, the veteran would be well-rested and ready to contribute

Sort of like what Houston did with Mutumbo, this year?

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of screamers out there

but the one that is screaming loudest to me is Jrue Holiday. – Elgin

Without you out there, we're nowhere here

by 22baylor on Jun 16, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

we are going to stash him right

he isnt even remotely close to being NBA ready.. think bayless but with more time needed

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 16, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tyler Hansbrough!!!

-He played for a winner and big program at UNC
-He’s all heart, and will give you 110% every minute that he’s on the court
-He may not be physically dominant and the banger that Portland needs, but his energy would be extremely valuable off the bench backing up LMA
-While not a dominant offensive force, he would provide some modicum of a low post presence on the 2nd unit
-Great work ethic
-Great character guy

Might not be available with the 24th pick, but he won’t go so high as to make trading up to get him cost us too much.

by BustABucket25 on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

top 15...

sadly. We already had McBob, no need to draft him again

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 16, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we stay with our pick...

I say we go with Chase Budinger as a reserve. Blair would be a great fit, but he’ll be gone, and the last thing we need is another young pg. We need a veteran pg, not another young guy whose ego and confidence can be so easily rattled. With Budinger, we’d be duplicating Fernandez’s place, but Fernandez may be (I hope not) the key piece in a trade…

by Jackalope 66 on Jun 16, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

blech

Budinger has not been impressive in the workouts (NJ, etc) I’d rather trade “out” of the 1st round rather than have to guarantee a rookie contract to a non-contributer

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Givony's notes on Blair. Casspi
-We’re hearing that DeJuan Blair is in pretty good shape at the moment, and he continues to have very strong workouts that are easing the concerns teams have about his knee. Blair’s draft range looks pretty steady between 12 and 16, although he will work out for teams above and below those picks. Don’t be surprised to see a team like Oklahoma City or Portland try to make a move for him on draft night, as both organizations are reportedly very high on him.
-One team that might be interested in moving down in this draft is New Jersey, as they are reportedly very high on Israeli Omri Casspi, but may not want to invest such a high pick on him.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/#Early-Entry-Withdrawal-Deadline-Rumor-Mill-3260

Do y’all smell what I’m cooking? Or do I have to spell it out for you?

by two4larue on Jun 16, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Tyreke Evans, Earl Clark, Dejuan Blair, Danny Green, Eric Maynor

Evans, Clark, and Green all bring height/length to their position and are incredibly versatile

Blair makes it in even though he is short for the posiiton based on his wingspan and heft

Maynor, at 6-3 has solid height for the PGs in this draft and is NBA ready

I’m a big Steph Curry fan, and just thinking of him and Brandon Roy in the backcourt together is amazing, but we’d have to trade WAY up to get him and don’t know if its worth the assets we’d have to part with

by rip_city_swagger on Jun 16, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Trade out or take best available

I say trade out of the 1st round. We have great chemistry all ready… why mess with that? I think we need to bring in a veteran point guard… maybe even out of his prime, but the point of bringing him in is to mentor jerryd bayless. If we had a great veteran point guard jerryd could live up to probably more than his potential

by baylessismyhomie on Jun 16, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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