Reverse trade drawer 6/13: Players that won't come to Portland
Here is my take on which pretty often discussed players KP won't acquire. Most not because they wouldn't fit, but because he won't be able to. It's just my take, please add your own perspective.
My top 10 in no particular order:
Chris Paul
Yes it's true the Hornets are in some financial trouble and might have to send out a player for little in return to bring salaries down, a la what they tried to do with Tyson Chandler. But it won't be Paul. He is what's keeping basketball in New Orleans and people coming in franchise-record numbers into the arena (see recent article in Forbes). And even if the ownership would decide to sell the team, they can get a much better price with Paul still there. In fact I think he is the most untradable player in the league, more so than say LeBron James or Chris Bosh whose teams might still be <10% interested to trade them in some sign& trade deal (a la KG who instantly signed an extension in Boston) fearing they just go away and they end up with nothing. We will see at the next deadline. Not so with Paul, who does have a new long-term contract in place until 2012 (2013 player option).
Deron Williams
Similar to Paul, he just signed a contract extension until 2012 (2013 player option). And his team by all accounts is not in severe financial trouble. Plus they have other ways to shed payroll, e.g. by moving Andrei Kirilenko for an expiring contract, letting Boozer walk, letting Okur walk, etc.
Tony Parker
The Spurs are not yet in rebuilding mode. They just nixed attempts by the Wizards to acquire Ginobili for either the #5 pick or "a helluva player" in the words of Greg Popovich. If they are not willing to move a Ginobili with injury concerns for a good asset, why would they move their youngest star for our spare parts?
Mike Conley
I'm not completely certain here, but I think it's highly unlikely. The Blazers and Grizzlies, as dumb as it sounds, are not on good speaking terms at the moment after what happened with Darius Miles (the e-mail, $9 million coming back on our cap).
If there was ever any doubt - and there wasn't - Memphis really did only sign Darius Miles to screw Portland. His reasonably effective play notwithstanding, it was never going to be a long term solution, and there was nothing to gain in the short term either. But, if stiffing Portland was indeed their aim, it worked. Industrious? Yes. Successful? Yes. Embarassing? Definitely yes. Let's pretend it didn't happen. - ShamSports
And this is not the only guy thinking so, just maybe the most blunt. Plus, they decided that Conley was the winner of their own point guard battle, as evidenced by sending out Javaris Crittenton (to the Wizards) and Kyle Lowry (to the Rockets).
If they don't draft Rubio (and at the moment it doesn't seem like they will draft any point guard), they will have no interest to move Conley for our lesser point guard(s). Conversely the Blazers were not interested to move Blake last year in a package with Travis for Conley, and even if they could be now it's very likely the Grizzlies say no - unless they were convinced Mayo could play point for them with Blake as an off guard. Sergio doesn't help them except in a backup role. And by all accounts the Blazers won't move Bayless for Conley. They just won't. We also can't really help them to save cap space with lopsided trades, they have cap space to the horizon and will have even more after renouncing the partially guaranteed Greg Buckner. They rather have problems filling their roster cheaply.
Mike Bibby
He is happy in Atlanta, and Atlanta is happy with him. And Atlanta has plenty of cap space to re-sign him and then some.
Jason Kidd
While he will explore all options as an unrestricted free agent (including going to Europe and signing a one-year deal with Cleveland), last reports out of Dallas were that he was happy with the time there and Cuban and his teammates still like him. And it should not happen, he is about the last player I want for the Blazers especially if Blake stays ;-)
Steve Nash
Pretty much the only player who Steve Kerr has not put on the table at the deadline. And he still has no intention to do so. And Nash has no intention to play for Nate McMillan in a strict defensive and offense scheme at a slow pace, after he was a driving force behind the ousting of Terry Porter trying to implement a system going a little bit in this direction and involving Shaq more. Plus unless the Suns waive him he is not a free agent, so the Blazers would have to scratch together $13 million in salary and cap space to match for him. With the chance that he bolts to NY in 2010. It won't happen.
Shaquille O'Neal
He will stay in Phoenix or end up in Dallas or Cleveland in a deal for expiring contracts. My best bet. And the Blazers don't need him.
The Most Valuable Puppets
While Kobe would make some sense (remember my half-serious trade proposal), it just won't happen. They cost too much, they demand the ball when it matters, and Roy wouldn't coexist well with them.
I won't list who I think will be good candidates and who is more and most likely to come to the Blazers since that is not the focus of this post, but you can deduct that by subtraction. It's also not necessary to list all 300-something role players that probably won't get acquired. So please discuss and add your own candidates for whose destination this summer is not Portland but try to limit it to recently/regularly discussed candidates.
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Agreed about all except Conley
And not because I think we are trading for him, but only because I think he’s the most unknown of the ten listed.
I really wish I could hear what KP actually thinks of Conley. I think he’s a wild card in the whole thing… KP could quietly covet him, or could think absolutely nothing of him. He’s so good at hiding his feelings about players.
I think KP would deal with Memphis if he had too
I think Memphis didn’t screw the Blazers just to screw them, they wanted the luxury tax money and less competition in free agency. It was a business decision, not a jerknose decision. KP ain’t scared.
Yep, which is exactly why there's no problems negotiating with Memphis
Their GM won’t have a problem working with KP.
The only outside concern is the owner veto on a trade. But any trade with Memphis will likely involve cash savings for them, so that will usually override any personal feelings of the owner.
But if they don't draft a PG, would Travis really push them over the top to change their starting PG?
This really only works if they draft Rubio (or some surprise PG moves up)
Otherwise, Conley goes nowhere unless Portland (or a 3rd team) gives them a replacement PG they think they can build around
Even with that, Conley is still more likely to be in Portland than someone like KG or Dwyane Wade. I can at least see a scenario where Memphis considers the trade if everything goes right. So I figure it comes down to KP’s opinion of him as much as anything.
One situation that I could see would be as stated if they think Mayo is their future PG, and would draft James Harden
I don’t buy that Harden is the next Brandon Roy/Ginobili (a site says his floor would be Jason Terry, and that strikes me as odd since Terry is very quick even at 32). But he is kinda unselfish and could work next to Mayo with both handling the ball at times. That could make Conley available.
Another possible situation
would be them trading down a few spots to pick up their backup PF, say Darko for Lee, and then drafting local product Tyreke Evans. I’m sure we’d have to take Jaric’s contract back in that situation, though. Even though the Grizz’s payroll is way below the cap, all signs are that they’re still losing money and so would possibly look to dump any bad contracts they can along the way.
A memphis lineup of Mayo/Evans/Gay/Lee/Gasol, with Trout, Arthur and possibly Sergio backing them up wouldn’t be a terrible 8 man rotation, potentially, while still being relatively cheap for the next couple years.
A few more:
Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Durant, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Derick Rose, Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Bill Russel, (I could do this all day)…
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
Agree on all except Conley
Of course, the only way we’re getting him is if they draft Rubio. The good news there is that they should. If they do end up drafting Rubio, a trade between Memphis and Portland based around Conley makes too much sense not to happen.
I doubt this has any basis in truth.
And by all accounts the Blazers won’t move Bayless for Conley. They just won’t.
And if it does KP should lose most of his cred for not being able to think objectively about other teams players.
I think Blake(among others) goes to Memphis in that situation
so they can have someone run the point while Rubio is still in Spain(if he doesn’t win his buyout)
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 13, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Kidd flat out publicly refused to play for portland didn't he?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
And he said we have ugly women in Portland
Who aren’t even worth hitting, he said! He “doesn’t wanna mess up his ol’ wife beating hand with ugly Portland ladies”, was the exact quote I think. Plus, the women are too level headed and down to Earth, and not crazy like what he is used to.
What a jerk!
Kidd and Vince Carter in the past had both been negative about playing for Portland, since New Jersey is such an awesome place.
Mortimer
They can do better than Pargo, can't they?
I really don’t like players who can totally shoot you out of a game and love to think they are big time 4th quarter players who want to take all the shorts. TJ Ford, Pargo (who is a very poor man’s streak shooting TJ Ford), Bibby…
Maybe they’re just comfortable with him, and I know Antonio Daniels is at death’s door, but Pargo ain’t a good backup…
Morty
I would only move Rudy
Under two conditions:
We get back our PG of the future – period.
In the same trade also get a great defender at the backup 2(Mikael Pietrus) – or in an additional trade.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
Rondo & Allen To Blazers
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l79y75
Celtics receive:
Blake
Outlaw
Fernandez
Sergio
Martell
Bayless
Trade Exception(874k)
Blazers receive:
Rondo
Allen
Trade Exception(1.3 mil)
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
Also include our 2009 & 2011 first round picks + 2nd round picks from this year
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 13, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The classic 6 for 2 trade?
How are they lookin’ on roster spots? Seems like they might be taking too many in…
Morty
Roster spot works
If we take back pruit/giddens as well http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ml2btt
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 14, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
A story for those who play 2k9...
Today, I had mostly a full day to myself(Minus house upkeep etc). Feels like the first in a long while. So I decided to do a Blazers franchise. My lineup after some trades…
Conley/Bayless
Roy/Pietrus
Batum/Hill/Webster
Aldridge/Turiaf
Oden/Przybilla/Ajinca
Batum won NBA defensive player of the year FOUR total times(lots of minicamps…)
Pietrus won 6th man of the year twice in a row
Pritchard won GM of the year
McMillan won coach of the year & signed a 6 year extension.
After a few years of training, Ajinca took over the majority of the backup post minutes(both the 4 & the 5). It was really fun, I changed his fadeaway to Dirk’s & his jumper to LaMarcus’s… Deadly. He ended up winning a 6th man award after Pietrus got old.
Conley turned out to be a lot like Rondo, averaging 12ppg, 10apg, 5rpg, 2spg & six time all star.
Oden 15/10/3 & multiple finals MVP’s.
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)/Rodrigue Beaubois(D)
SG Options: Mickaël Piétrus(T)
PF Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
C Options: Alexis Ajinca(T)
The French Invasion !
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 13, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions
Back up POWER FORWARD
McDyess,Pachulia,Hansbrough,Bass ? But I think Bass will want to much (Money) for a back up role.
moves
I think the only moves the Blazers should make are A lopsideed trade for Hinrich, give the Bulls Sergio and Outlaw . and pick up McDyess as a free agent for the back up power forward role. Both of those moves would be an up grade, and could take the Blazers deep into the playoffs imo.
I don't think Bibby is out of the question either
I think he would come here if he was guaranteed the starter spot.. say if we traded Blake for a SF
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 15, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions
Enough with Bibby already, please!
I had enough of his 5-for-16-from-the-field-and-no-D game when the Kings were good.
by MiledAnimal on Jun 15, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions

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