Rudy Fernandez Trade Bait??
by quezadaz on Jun 13, 2009 2:51 PM PDT
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By looking at the Chicago Bulls roster and then looking back at ours 1 thing is clear. We have too many SG/SF players and Chicago has a real hole in those positions.
Ben Gordon is most likely gone and after that they dont have much depth at all for the SG position. For the SF position they have John Salmons and Luol Deng but he is coming off an injury and who knows how he will come back and play.
Kirk Hinrich is possible for us to get if we can make a trade that Chicago cant refuse. I think if we can give up Rudy Blake and Outlaw for him then it could work. They get 3 players who can come in and contribute right away and give the team more depth. You throw in a 2011 1st rounder and it should be a deal.
I know people think we should keep Rudy but I read many articles and blogs saying that we should trade him. Im starting to believe that it might be best for us to get rid of him now. I read this on Dwight Jaynes blog.
Yeah, you can talk all you want about playing him at the point, or moving Brandon Roy to the point, but Rudy’s position is off-guard. And that’s Roy’s spot. And I’m not sure it’s fair for a player of Rudy’s caliber to have to play somewhere else. On top of that, he left a huge contract in Europe to come here and play for the rookie payscale. He is going to eventually want and need the kind of role that shows what he’ll deserve in his next contract. Besides, there will be no cap room for him here when he’s ready for that next deal.
Chicago Gets: Rudy Fernandez, Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw
Portland Gets: Kirk Hinrich, 2011 1st round pick
Also I like the idea of using our trade exception on Thabo Sefolosha maybe giving OKC a few picks for him possibly next years 1st round pick. Thabo is a great defender who is a more polished scorer than Batum but not so great that he completely takes away from Batum's mins. We could also grab DJ White who is the same mold as Dejuan Blair. People think so highly of Blair but White is just as good and has played very well when given time.
Thunder Get: 2010 1st round pick, 38th pick 2009 draft
Blazers Get: Thabo Sefolosha, DJ White
Correction NEVERMIND about Thabo. Trade exception wouldnt work. I still like DJ White in a minor trade
I have been on the Knicks blog and majority of them would be fine with trading the 8th pick for Sergio and the 24th and 55th picks. So its possible for us to target somebody like Stephen Curry.
With our 33rd pick we should look at Dionte Christmas. He is somebody who can spread the floor if we were to get rid of Rudy. Christmas has unlimited range and looks alot like Michael Redd with his nice shooting touch. He is very smart and knows when to pass. As for the 56th pick I think we look international and go with Vladimir Dasic.
Other guys that I think we could get that are actually possible are Pops Mensah Bonsu and Adonal Foyle. Foyle is a good 3rd center who is widely known around the league as a great locker room mentor for younger players. Mensah Bonsu is a game changer who uses his energy to wear down the other team.
Our Possible Lineup
PG: Hinrich, Bayless, Curry,
SG: Roy, Webster, Christmas
SF: Sefolosha, Batum
PF: LMA, White, Mensah Bonsu,
C: Oden Przybilla, Foyle
With this unit we could play multiple diffrent lineups. It would improve our defense without losing our 3pt shooting and scoring ability
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I think it'll be hard to trade Rudy
After we worked so hard to convince him to leave Spain and play for us, I think that’d really hurt our reputation if we just up and trade him.
What if we draft a Euro next year and are trying to convince him to sign with us? Do we want him to say, “Pshh, why? So you can trade me to the bulls?!”
Maybe. I could be wrong.
I’d also start Batum over Sefolosha any day.
A Roy-Rudy-(insert point guard here) lineup could work for at least 12 minutes a game, then give Rudy 12 minutes of backing up Roy at SG, and I think that’s probably what we’ll see for the next couple years.
BTW, let’s just make this the de facto trade drawer for the day.
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by prezofdeath on Jun 13, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ya i wouldnt know who to start
between Sefolosha or Batum but they could get almost equal mins so it really wouldnt matter.
We will have to eventually trade Rudy though. There is no way that we can sign all these guys to max deals. You know what im saying. Somebody is going to have to get traded and I think that Rudy might be the most well known trade assest we have. He had exposure through the dunk contest and his rookie record he set more 3pt.
Rudy will never get a Max deal
in the NBA
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by HurraKane212 on Jun 13, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if he dosent
He would never get close to a starting spot on this team because he plays the same position as Roy. We wouldnt have enough money to pay him a decent deal after we max LMA, Roy and Oden. Plus give Batum and Bayless decent deals as well. Somebody is going to get traded and we might as well do it sooner than later
Rudy will get 30ish minutes a game
same as Manu (27 mpg) gets.
There’s no reason to worry about future money. If we’re winning the way we should be winning Paul Allen will pay our guys what they’re worth.
But Manu dosent have the Tim Duncan playing the same position as him
Rudy is playing behind our Franchise player and thats hard to do. Who does Manu play behing?? Michael Finley. Manu is leaps and bounds better than him so he really isnt in the same boat as Rudy
If Rudy gets 30 minutes
and Manu is getting 27 minutes, what’s your problem? Rudy plays great WITH Brandon Roy so the whole, this guy plays behind Brandon Roy argument makes no sense.
So your for moving Brandon to the Point
or moving Rudy to SF?? wither way somebodys spot is getting taken. Its nice to have good players on our team and yes i like Rudy but i think he is too good to be a bench player for us. He shoulf either start or just trade him because there is no way he is going to duplicate the kind of year he had this year so his trade value is high right now
brandon plays 3 positions sf, sg and pg... when rudy's in he takes the sg role and brandon moves to pg or sf whatever is opened up by the guy rudy's replacing...dunno why that's so hard.
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combining 3 excellent contracts (in terms of value) into an overpaid slightly better version of blake and losing what might be an incredible 2 guard would be the single worst trade in KPs career.
So your for moving Brandon to the Point
or moving Rudy to SF?? wither way somebodys spot is getting taken. Its nice to have good players on our team and yes i like Rudy but i think he is too good to be a bench player for us. He shoulf either start or just trade him because there is no way he is going to duplicate the kind of year he had this year so his trade value is high right now
He is going to play less
Definetly. You cant argue that. Martell is coming back from injury and if we dont make some sort of move he will lose some mins. I know Martell is a SF but he can also play with Roy like everybody can so I think he will definetly lose mins
Martell will get mins
He missed out and will definetly get the shot to possibly become a starter at SF again.
Of course he's going to get a shot.
I hope he does. But you don’t cut Rudy’s minutes unless Martell earns them back.
Keep in mind, Martell could be traded as well.
Why on earth are you giving Martell Rudy's mintues?
Rudy is the much better player. We’re not going to give Roy’s minutes to Martell just because he is coming back, like Roy, Rudy is better. If Martell is better than Batum, he’ll get Batum’s minutes. Roy’s 35 minutes and Rudy’s 28-30 minutes aren’t up for discussion, they both have earned them.
You arent
Rudy got so many mins because of Martells injury. Martell will earn them back and im not saying the Rudy wont play but he wont make as may 3pt shots and will prolly score less points.
You're assuming that those are Martell's minutes easily.
He has to EARN them back. He doesn’t get them by default. Yes you did say earn, however if Rudy proves to be the better player, and all signs point to that being the case, he will get the majority of those minutes. Likely Brandon will play some 3 and Rudy will get more at the 2.
Martell has to show he’s better than Rudy to get those minutes. And that isn’t very likely. Yes I know you are aware that Martell has work to do but it won’t be easy for him to beat out Rudy by any means unless his D is leaps and bounds better than when he last played.
I think Martell will get every chance to earn them
I dont think he has to show he is better than Rudy I think he has to show that his game is different that Rudy’s and they should maybe even play him with Rudy. Who knows. Its too early to give up on Martell
unless his D is leaps and bounds better than when he last played.
There’s the rub. The scuttlebutt before Marty’s foot injury was that he was focused on the defensive end and ready to accept the challenge that Nate had given him during his exit interview 12+ months ago
If Batum and Webster can defend the SF position better than Roy/Rudy, they will play those 48 minutes at the 3. As long as McMillian is the coach, you can take that to the bank
The player who most benefitted from Martell's injury was Batum, not Rudy
Martell can play some SG, but it’s not pretty with his handles.
This makes no sense to me
Rudy got so many mins because of Martells injury. Martell will earn them back and im not saying the Rudy wont play but he wont make as may 3pt shots and will prolly score less points.
Your entire point about Rudy needing to go is that he wants and will deserve minutes because he is so good.
But then you say he will lose minutes to Martell Webster. Martell isn’t in Rudy’s class as a basketball player, and somehow he’s going to lose his minutes to a lesser player?
Your not understanding my point
Everybody is going to take a small cut in mins to fit in Martell. You cant add another player and expect mins to come outta thin air.
Rudy is great and deserves starter mins but he cant because we have so much depth at the wing positions.
Rudy is out best trade assest. Why not move him??
Thats my point
The point is..
Those are not Martell’s minutes. People only lose them if he earns them back. As of right now nobody has lost any minutes to Martell.
If Rudy shows he’s more deserving of the minutes he gets them. Not Martell.
And Rudy is our best (realistic) trade asset for a reason. He’s cheap, good, happy, and efficient. You don’t trade away players just because they’re too good. The point is to get better not worse.
Depth and talent wise Rudy is ahead of Martell. Simple as that.
My trade idea got us better
At the PG postion without giving up too much at the SG position. Chirstmas could be like Rudy with his 3pt shooting
Christmas is a 2nd round guy for a reason...
he’s not in Rudy’s league as a basketball player. I can’t realistically see you arguing for Christmas deserving minutes on this team with the case you’re making that Rudy deserves starter minutes.
There are 240 minutes to give out in any basketball game. Rudy gets 28-30 of those no matter what happens to Martell. He’s better than Martell, he fits better than Martell. Martell is closer to Batum’s level right now, and plays the same position. If Martell earns minutes away from anyone it’ll be Batum.
it didn't get us better
we don’t have the best starting 5 in the league…in fact our starting five is probably a borderline average to below average starting 5 in the league…which explained our usual early 1st quarter deficits. our depth and bench was a big factor in our success. your proposal does net us a quality starting PG, but we eliminated all depth with that move. some of the other guys may not be ready to fill the shoes that trout and rudy will leave behind.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 14, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
rudy does not play great with Brandon Roy
their styles are completely different and perimeter defense suffers with them both on the court.
In our top 5 lineups where Roy and Rudy played on the wing
we outscored our opponent by 24 points per 48 minutes.
Out of those lineups we scored on averaged 1.25 points per possession while giving up only 1.0 points per possession.
It was our best player pair on the entire team. Roy and Rudy match as well as any two players on this team.
well,
they are both great players and have a big impact on the game.
it does not follow from this statistic that they play great TOGETHER.
For that assessment, you have to use your own eyes.
The TEAM plays great together
when they’re both at the wings at the same time.
Isn’t that the same difference though? If our goal is to win games, shouldn’t we be playing the people that help us do that. Rudy and Roy are the best tandem we have when it comes to outscoring our opponent and winning games.
I think the fact that we score so much and give up so little tells you your assessment of them not fitting together is incorrect. In fact, of all the players on the team, that is the tandem that least fits that assertion.
That's the most misleading stat ever.
They played good minutes together when match up situations allowed for it. Just like Travis played good minutes at PF when the situation allowed for it, or Aldrige looked really good at center when match-ups allowed for it.
It works in certain situations but it’s not an ideal situation long term.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 13, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to be able to take advantage of those situations...
and it’s not like it just occasionally happened either. Over 12 minutes per game 25% of the minutes the Blazers played this season had that lineup (Roy/Rudy at the wings) on the court. It’s an absolutely vital lineup to take advantage of any situation when one of an opponents wing players can’t score. This happens virtually every game, and as such, we need this pairing to take advantage of it.
It’s not like it was just a regular season thing either. Take a look at our playoff lineups.
http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/0809POR2.HTM
Of our 10 top used lineups against Houston in the playoffs, 7 wound up with a positive +/- including ALL 5 of the ones with Roy and Rudy on the court at the same time. We were +23 in those 81 minutes which is +14 per 48.
Long term it is absolutely an ideal situation. You have two players games that complement one another almost perfectly on the offensive end, and also play very good defense together (only 92 points allowed per 48).
Batum, Roy and Rudy long term fill out a stellar wing trio. I will say that it’s essential that Rudy is the 6th man in this scenario, but that doesn’t contradict the success that these guys (Roy and Rudy) already have had out on the court, in their first year together, and Rudy’s first year in the NBA.
I don’t think I even need to point out how essential it is that Rudy is kept just for efficiencies sake. A volume three point shooter whom I’m guessing will probably peak out at 42-45% is something that doesn’t grow on trees. He’s also the rare breed of scorer and three point shooter that doesn’t just stand out on the 3-line, but is actively a part of the teams offense. If you get all the way out on him, he can make you pay. If you play any kind of angle wrong he can find the passing lane to a big. His first year in the NBA was wildly successful, and its probably just the beginning.
by as11osu on Jun 13, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Very well reasoned argument, as11osu
Though I wouldn’t be in favor of including Rudy in a trade for Hinrich in any way, I had been in favor of including him in a deal for Prince if that was absolutely necessary for the deal to get done. However, I’ve thought more about it and read your arguments here for keeping him and you’ve got me convinced.
He complements Brandon too well to let go and is still only a rookie with good upside. I think now that he’s had a year to adjust to the NBA game and rules, he’ll be better able to use his abilities to create his own shot when needed, which could be especially helpful if Outlaw gets traded. And with his shooting, of course, he almost has to be on the court in the 4th quarter.
You're only giving half the information.
1.) Who were they up against? What were the apposing lineups? Who was Roy guarding? Who was Rudy guarding? I don’t care if Rudy and Roy are effective against the Warriors, Grizzlies, Suns, 76’ers, and Clippers. I would be much more interested to know if they can play against bigger and better teams like the Lakers and Nuggets. The post season is the most important thing right now and a three guard line-up with Blake, Roy and Rudy is way too weak defensively to be effective in long stretches. What happens if Phil Jackson decides to play Kobe at the two and Odom at the three for forty minutes every game? How effective are Rudy and Roy at the same time then?
2.) Even if they can squeeze in 16 minutes a game it doesn’t compare to the 40 minute a game production you would get from a legit franchise PG. If you can fill the PG spot with a top tier player (I’m not talking about CP3 or William) you should do it, even if it means trading Rudy. If you can’t then obviously you keep him.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 13, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never been against moving Rudy for a franchise point guard
Hinrich isn’t a franchise point guard, and his age isn’t helping matters now. He’s a nice piece that fits, but as far as value goes, you can’t give Rudy up for him. I think where push comes to shove is when you start talking about Conley Jr. That’s the real breaking point for me, as far as straight up goes. Obviously if you have to include Rudy in a deal that gets you one of the big 7 (CP3, Deron, Parker, Harris, Rondo, Rose, Rubio), you do it.
Nice.
Yeah, I totally agree then. Clearly Hinrich isn’t worth that much. He might help more in terms of team need in the short run, but I still think that would be a rotten deal.
I would almost trade Rudy for Conley, but it’s too close to call. Maybe Rudy and Travis for Conley and Gay, but I don’t know, it’s a stretch for both teams. If the Blazers had just let Outlaw go last Summer we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
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by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 13, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What was the offer for him last summer?
I recall the Harris deal the previous years trade deadline, and the Conley deal this deadline (how is Blake the breaking point on that move?), but I don’t remember a deal during last offseason.
I think....
they talked abut Outlaw straight up for Conley last Summer, but the Blazers reportedly declined.
It seems like the talks for Conley have been on again off again for a while now. I don’t understand why they can’t get something done, seems like a good deal for both teams.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 13, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
In hindsight, Outlaw for Conley might've been a good deal
but that was before Hollins took over for Iavaroni and gave Conley the reins to run the Griz. Before that coaching change, Conley was just a young PG with potential who was struggling to find his niche in the NBA
The thing that everyone’s forgetting is that Nate is probably closer to an “Iavaroni kind” of head coach than a Hollins. As good as Conley looked for the Griz doesn’t necessarily guarantee he’ll come into Potland and produce at the same level playing for a contending team and a defensive-minded coach as he did for Hollins in a low-pressure, rebuilding environment
The Blazers need a veteran PG who has been through the playoffs, not another kid who has 2-3 months experience starting for a team that wasn’t fighting for anything in particular
This is a short term comment
The Blazers need a veteran PG who has been through the playoffs, not another kid who has 2-3 months experience starting for a team that wasn’t fighting for anything in particular
Getting Conley Jr might not help us as much as Hinrich next year, but in years 2-12 from now, MC Jr is the better play. While the summer deal would’ve been made for a wet behind the ears version, the deal at the deadline last year sending Blake and Outlaw for Conley was a no-brainer. He had already started to show what he could do.
so you're not going to comment
on my speculation that if Conley were to come to Portland he’d not perform as well under McMillian as he did under Hollins?
Some players and coaches mesh well, but others don’t. We’ve seen that clearly enough in the past few years with Nate and Brandon (prime rib) and Nate and Sergio (oil & water) Hollins took a young PG who was floundering under Iavaroni’s system and told MCJ “don’t worry about mistakes, just play your game” and the results were impressive. You might say that Lionel is a better coach than Nate, but the fact is they’re just different (and conservative coaches like Nate tend to win more playoff series)
So, maybe you’re looking at Conley’s improvement and extrapolating that he’ll continue his upward curve in a Blazer uniform. And maybe he would, but it’s not a given. Nate could potentially have a negative affect on Conley’s development, just like Iavaroni did (if you want to call it that.) As we’ve seen with Sergio, not every PG has the right “stuff” to run Nate’s system. Blake has done well, because he’s a low turnover guy who can play off of Brandon. OTOH, Jarrett Jack wasn’t quite the right fit.
You can say “bring in Conley and he’ll be awesome; he’s the final piece to the team that will win multiple championships” but we’ll never know if that’s true unless: 1) KP and Nate think that Conley is the right fit for the Blazers, and 2) Memphis actually decides to draft Rubio.
Until those things happen, it’s all speculation. I’d prefer to see a veteran PG added, someone who’s played deep into the playoffs. (If not Hinrich, then some older guy who can be an insurance policy and a good locker room guy.) I don’t the Blazers need to add more youth, or that Nate needs to “break in” another young PG this year (he’s got his hands full with Bayless) and the team needs to “move on” from the developmental stage to the contending for the WCF phase. Replacing Blake with Conley would require an adjustment period and could possibly result in the team taking a step back in their progress.
This is the crux of the issue...
You’re looking at things that are better for next years team, and I’m looking at what’s better for the entire future of the team.
I think from day one, MC could do the things Nate asks of Blake. He’s a lights out shooter at an early age that is a pretty long defender for his height, and unlike anything we have right now, or would have with Hinrich, he can penetrate the lane. Unlike Bayless eventually in this regard Conley is already an adept passer once inside the lane to his bigs and to his outside three point threats.
I think he’s the type of do-everything point guard you’d want for the future of this team. None of it is a question mark, certainly at the trade deadline, if you were paying attention to his play, you realized that. At the time it would’ve been Blake and Outlaw for him, but even now, that only looks to be more cap space we could have used to bring someone like Brandon Bass aboard.
Also, in regards to the coaching situation, I think it was more about Conley playing, than about this coach or that coach. His shooting had already started to improve by December a month and a half before Iavaroni was let go. I think his numbers would’ve been nearly identical to Blake’s this year, and he would’ve been much better equipped to handle quicker point guards, especially the Aaron Brooks’ of the world than Blake was.
I agree with you though, that it’s not a very likely scenario at this point. If I were Memphis I’d be mighty happy with Conley at point guard as well. The problem was, we had the chance during the trade deadline and blew it. I was on that ship, just as I was on the Devin Harris ship the year before. I definitely think there has been an over reliance on Blake with Nate, and its already started to get in the way of genuine progress.
there has been an over reliance on Blake with Nate
I felt the same way last year about Nate’s man-love for Jack, and was glad to see KP move Jarrett, even though he was a good guy in the locker room, etc
This time around I’m not on the “Blake must go” bandwagon, because I think Steve has good value as a reserve PG, and would accept that role much better than Jack. (Blake is also a good fit with Roy, and like it or not, what’s good for Roy is good for the Blazers, and that includes Nate as coach)
Instead of dealing Blake, I’d like to see KP bring in a veteran PG who can beat him out and “wean” Nate off of “reliance” on Steve. It’s a tall order, but depending on the PG, I think it would help the Blazers in the short term, and ultimately it could help Bayless’ development in the long run, even though it might not seem like that right away.
The risk of bringing in Conley (if it were possbile) is that he might not actually beat out Blake (at least, not in Nate’s estimation) and then you’ve made the PG situtation even worse than it was with Sergio. You’d have Conley and Oden BOTH down in the dumps, and nobody wants that.
So there you have it. Either KP should bring in a veteran PG who’s clearly better than Blake (or, who has Nate’s trust and respect) or the Blazer’s GM should just add an older veteran PG as an insurance policy and let Nate continue starting Blake with Bayless backing him up
I advocate taking away Linas's blanket
If you’re trading for Conley, you’re trading away Blake. Then bring in a better defensive veteran backup point guard. If Bayless can beat him out, that’ll say a lot.
Not that it seems like any of this will happen, but that’s what I’d do. Conley and Oden both end this season in the starting lineup. If Oden ends this season as a backup and you’re not in the second round of the playoffs Nate is gone.
Thank you.
All this Rudy hate is hogwash. How has noone suggested that Martell basically gets Outlaw minutes -4 and Rudy goes +4. Seems to be a safe assumption.
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That is not true
Rudy and Brandon are actually very cohesive. The difference in styles is irrelevant because you don’t run the exact same play every possession.
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Rudy averaged 25mpg this last season.
You’re acting like he only got 5-6. It’s not impossible to bump it a couple extra.
Somebody is going to get traded and we might as well do it sooner than later
Don’t be so quick to deal Rudy. If he stays healthy and his NBA game matures naturally, his value is only going to increase in the next 18-24 months. For now, he seems content playing behind Roy. So don’t create a crisis that isn’t there, yet. When the time comes KP will get a very nice piece in exchange for Fernandez, as long as he doesn’t hold onto Rudy “too long” (as it appears he has done with Sergio and Frye)
As Kenny Rogers said in the old Gambler song “you’ve gotta know when to hold ’em”
We don't have to sign Rudy to anything resembling a max deal ever
He’s signed really cheaply for the next 3 years, and we’ll be able to match a teams offer or get a nice sign and trade after that. Sefolosha is a waste on this team, as we already have the better version in Batum.
Batum is not better than Sefolosha
Right now he isnt as good shooting the ball but he might have a slight nod in defense. Sefelosha isnt a waste on any team if he could fit in right and get significant mins
Sefolosha is a .326 eFG% jump shooter
Batum was .477. Batum is better at every facet of the game than Thabo is.
nice
I guess watching him play dosent really mean anything next to the stats.
Your still against them both being on the same team??
We would be using the trade exception on him and maybe a future pick we dont need.
You arent going to find anybody better than him with the trade exception
We have no need for him though...
Using it on a player slightly worse than him that has skills we don’t currently have on the team would be much better. Thabo is strictly a defensive guy, with little to no offensive game. The problem is, his defense doesn’t help with the kind of perimeter defense we’d need anyway (tough-nosed). If you’re talking about Ariza or Artest, or someone like that, I’d get it a little more, but Thabo brings nothing to this team except a player that’s twiddling his thumbs on the bench.
My fault anyways
You cant use the Trade Exception on a deal involving other players and as much as i would like to argue in Thabo’s favor I would rather make a smaller deal to acquire DJ White.
What do you think about White instead of Dejuan Blair
White isn't even in Blair's ballpark as a basketball player
After Rubio and Jennings, Blair is perhaps the 3rd best fit on this team, and by far the best immediate fit. His rebounding rate in college was among the best ever. He’s also a great fit alongside Przybilla off the bench because unlike Przy who’s specialty is the defensive glass, Blair specializes in gathering offensive rebounds.
DeJuan Blair averaged 8.2 offensive rebounds per 40 minutes last year. D.J. White by comparison averaged 3.2. Greg Oden, last years #1 offensive boarder averaged 5.2. Rebounds translates better than any other stat from college to the pros. Blair will be a monster.
White isnt a bad choice
if we cant trade up and get Blair which we probably wont we should go after White. He didnt rebound well in college? he averaged 10 boards a game which isnt bad and scored better than Blair.
White is undervalued and could be got at a small price
They're not in the same ballpark as players.
Blair gets 10 rebounds every 21 minutes. His offensive rebounding is in a class by itself. It’s not like Blair can’t score either, he averaged 16 points in 27 minutes per game last year. D.J. White averaged his 17 in 34 minutes.
Blair is worth every cent. If you don’t get a player like him you should probably just go out and get yourself a veteran backup power forward.
Thats in college
You have to think that his limited height is going to mean less rebounds for him.
White is taller but with the same build and has shown in glimpses that he can rebound and score in the NBA.
He played pretty well at the end of last year and he can only improve. He is still young too
Blair was in the top 7 in the more important body measurements
His winspan is 7’2" and his reach is 8’11", both superior numbers for his position. Kevin Love who came in and rebounded the ball great for a rookie is smaller in both these areas and the top of his head (isn’t this ridiculous to even be measured?) is only 2 inches above Blair’s. Same deal with Paul Millsap whom is among the best boarders in the league.
Rebounding translates quite well from college to the NBA (see Oden, Greg)
Even if Blair’s rebounding percentage would drop by 5 to 10 percent and he had trouble getting his shot up, that wouldn’t make him the next Paul Millsap but still an interesting prospect for a backup spot. If he gets picked around #10 he should be absolutely worth it.
Dj White might become better
He slipped through the radar of last years draft but played well and i dont know his measurments but im sure they are close to Blairs. He is young so he can grow and learn the game better and possibly be a really good player for us
Actually
considering Blair’s height his wingspan is pretty ridiculous. If he had four arms I would be calling him the human version of Doctor Octopus.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.
Blair is actually sliping
Many teams are worried about his knees, so he could potentially fall into the mid teens. Where we could trade up with some combination of our #24 pick, second rounders, and cash, and maybe even Sergio if we are trying to get rid of him.
by raging WebTed on Jun 13, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably won't slip past Indiana
Larry Bird has played almost his whole career with arthritic knees. He won’t be too phased but that if all he needs is a backup guy who rebounds.
Well, KP has dealt with Indy before...
Maybe they’d rather have Travis and Sergio (+picks) than D-Blair and Jeff Foster?
Now, there’s a deal I could get excited about
You could throw in #24
and I’d still do that trade. That pretty much would wrap up a stellar NBA frontcourt. That kind of depth would allow all kinds of freedom for both Oden and Przybilla to play high energy defense. Blair in a 15 minute role and Foster as our 5th big here would make us one of the best boarding teams in the history of the NBA.
There's no doubt
That Foster would add toughness and physicality to Portand roster. Jeff doesn’t have the extensive playoff experience to be a “perfect” fit, but he could teach the kids all the “tricks of the trade” and be kind of like another Przy. I don’t know Foster other than as an opponent but I suspect he’s getting to the point of his career that winning should be more important than PT. He’d be great insurance in case of injury or foul trouble—he’s the kind of guy that you hate to face—but he’s a great guy to have around on your team. He always “gets under the skin” of his opponents
And I absolutely think that D-Blair should be “the” target for KP in the first round. If he can’t move up and grab Dejuan, then he might as well trade that 24th pick for a veteran or “future considerations”
To much for not much
I keep hearing about the Bulls wanting cap relief or Hinrich for Blake but Trout & Rudy also? Why give up an asset for nothing? His value will go up in acouple years if we have to trade him great. It will be for a much better player then Hinrich.
I think for more than 12 minutes is possible.
Not long ago, someone made the point statistically that Roy actually played better at the 3. Of course the only time Portland tried this as a starting lineup was Game 6, which we lost. :(
But a 2/3 rotation of Roy, Rudy and Nic is one I could easily live with
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The Blazers and Roy were statistically much better in the playoffs at the 3
http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/08POR5.HTM#bypos
That directly correlates to when Rudy was playing alongside him.
Thats becuz Outlaw was playing the three the rest of the time.
Batum hardly played in the playoffs if i remember correctly.
by raging WebTed on Jun 13, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
We were much better with Roy as our 3
than Batum as our 3 or Outlaw as our 3. We were better with Roy at the 3 than with Roy at the 2. You can play circles all you want, both in the regular season and in the playoffs we were better, and usually much better with Roy playing the 3 than we were with Roy playing the 2. Most of that has to do with how good Rudy is, and how well he fits with Roy on the offensive end of the court.
Trading Rudy essentially ends
spending anymore picks on Euro-stash types. You just aren’t going to commitments from guys after promising Rudy a spot on THIS team, and then moving him the very next year. It would reflect very poorly on KP and company. That said, he’s too good of a player and too good of a fit on this team to trade away anyway. He was already one of the most efficient players in the league last year as a rookie. I have to imagine next year his TS% will be above 60%, and that probably will end up being an understatement.
I understand that
You even said it yourself as a rookie he was one of the most efficient players in the league so imagine how many teams would want Rudy. Maybe we dont trade him this offseason but I really believe it will be done. Rudy is too good to always play behind Roy. I know if I were as talented as him I would want to start wherever I played and thats not going to be possible here
I don't understand trading a player that's "too good"
We have Rudy signed cheap, he’s happy, he’s getting playing time. Why trade him because he’s “too good”?
It really doesn’t make sense. Rudy will get no where near a max deal, every. We’ll be able to match other team’s offers when the time comes.
You don’t move good players for bad players just because he could get an extra 5 minutes on another team.
If Rudy was cool with coming off the bench in the Olympics (where he was the second best player on the team)
I’m sure he’ll be good doing that while winning Championships here.
Maybe... just maybe...
Rudy is comitted to the team concept and sees what similar skilled 6th men can do with minutes off the bench. (see Manu and Jason Terry).
Why should he be so concerned by not getting his name called in introductions.
We can still get him starters minutes off the bench.
We can get a better player in a Rudy package then Kirk. I love his game, but i wouldent be so hasty about shipping Rudy off.
Lets just see what happens with Rudy. This trade could make KP look horrible in a few years. And if that risk is there, I would not want to be known as that GM. Rudy diserves a large role on our team as time goes on. It isnt out of the question that him and Roy cannot coexist.
Brandon has had trouble playing 82 games. Rudy is the best possible insurance for him.
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I disagree
Rudy didn’t come here thinking, “MUST … PLAY … FOR …. PORTLAND!!” I doubt he ever thought about which specific team he would be drafted by. He came here thinking, I want to play in America and show what I can do. If he could start for a medium to good team somewhere and showcase himself, I think he’d be happy. I doubt there as any poison team in the European players’ minds — and if there were it would be the Clippers.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008 and Steve Blake since two weeks ago.
That's not what I heard when they were talking about selling Portland to Rudy
it was only a year ago. You don’t sell a player on a city and a team and move him the next year. That would be some seriously shady business.
Just posted this in a different fanpost....
Rudy in one offseason has become the most underrated Blazer on the team. Everyone is talking like he’s expendable even though he was the best fit next to Roy on the whole team last year. It just doesn’t make sense to get rid of a guy after a rookie season like he just had, when he showed some real primetime guts in the playoffs. People are also underrating his defense, if they’re saying he’s awful. He plays solid defense when properly positioned at the 2 (Roy is great at the 3, so this works), he just isn’t a lockdown type. He gambles a lot, but he often scores off those gambles. In the future, when Oden has his thing going, and we’re more or less able to funnel guys to him successfully, Rudy’s gambles are going to pay even higher dividends because his mistakes will cost us even less. Last year he was our 3rd or 4th best player, and that was as a rookie. Things are only going to get better. To be an efficient offensive team you have to have this guy out there making a high percentage of 3’s, and taking those 3’s in volume. His movement is also key to keeping our offense going. He causes the defense to spread for Roy more than anyone else on this team ever will.
Rudy along with Batum are our 4th and 5th most important core pieces going forward. If you have to package guys on this team, package the guys that don’t look to be part of this core for the next 4-5 years (and are already under contract for said time).
by as11osu on Jun 13, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I absolutley think he is underrated but
just think of what kind of deal he would want knowing how much he means to us and what kind of deal he could get somewhere else. I think trading him when his value is high would be ideal. Im not saying I dont like him or anything but people know Rudy people really dont know how good Travis or Sergio can be. If we could make a deal happen without Rudy or Batum that would be ideal but i dont see it happening
If Rudy ever makes 8 million a year
I will be shocked.
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by HurraKane212 on Jun 13, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be.
With what we have seen, his floor is a solid 3 pt shooting role player who will be in any 8 man rotation in the league. Granted, he has probably realized more of his potential than the traditional rookie because of his experience in ACB and the fact that he is already 23, but at the same time I think he needed last year to acclimate to the NBA style, so I’d imagine he has more weapons in his reportoire that he hasn’t showed yet.
Something that I noticed about his play last year was that he isn’t a real creator or initiator. While he has excellent passing skills, he usually got his assists by hitting cutters in the half court or throwing outlets on the break. If I was to compare his style of passing to pg’s in the NBA, I think it would be closer to a guy like Jason Kidd, who can finish well but isn’t a great creator (he is excellent at making plays in transition, but not as good at creating in the half court). Rudy was excellent at finishing plays created by other players (mainly sergio and Brandon), either by converting alley oops or shooting the 3. Unfortunately, he has not shown much of an ability to create his own shot, other than the step back jumper. The guy that he oft compared to, Ginobili, has much more well rounded game in terms of being able to both create and finish.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.
Wrap around passes
Rudy has a thing going with Oden on those baseline passes
He also hits LMA off the LH curl with a hook-lob pass at the rim
And who could forget the passes between the defender’s legs
I agree that Rudy isn’t likely to cross a defender over and drive to the hole like a great penetrator. But he can pump-fake and drive around an on-rushing defender and get a layin if no one cuts off his straight line path to the hoop
i wouldnt be shocked
i’m sure he could pull that kinda cash in europe…as long as we are winning and kp has the team assembled by the time rudy’s contract is up…8 million for rudy wouldnt be a poor deal at all.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 14, 2009 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, we could do that or..
we could get Hinrich for Travis and Steve straight up, and keep Rudy.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
the only deal I can see trading Rudy in would be for Prince
but, I don’t like that deal either.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
I dont think the Bulls would do that
Other than people who constantly watch the Blazers people dont know our players outside of Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. To Chicago fans they think they are getting the short end of the stick in this deal because they get an overrated white guy and somebody who is 6 years into the league and still cant play D or rebound. I know these things arent true but thats what people think. Try posting a trade proposal like that to Bulls fans and see what they say
Those deals probably don't help them that much
and the deal you proposed would be even worse for us. It’d make us considerably worse and deplete a lot of our depth in one fell swoop.
You have to look at it together
Im not saying make 1 deal or the other. You cant make the deal with the Bulls and not find a way to get somebody as good as what has left. Sefelosha would be taking the backseat to Bautm in the SF spot and wouldnt command as many mins. I like Dionte Christmas and Steph Curry to take some mins along with Bayless
None of these players compare to Rudy
You’re pretty much set at the wings for the future with Roy Batum and Rudy getting nearly all of our wing minutes in the future. They all fit together as well, which makes it extremely nice. Use our other players to make deals. Batum and Rudy are part of our top 5 core players. We’re trying to keep our quality, and Rudy is quality. Use the rest of the depth to get another quality player. That should be the whole point of this offseason.
Well who do you get rid of??
So what deal would you make? if my ideas which werent actually my own. I saw this on Dwight Jaynes blog. He might not know anything but It got me thinking about trading him. Maybe I will just try this trade out on NBA LIVE first next time
#1: Don't fix what isn't broken. Keep your core.
Our core is Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden, Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum and Joel Przybilla.
I dont think that works
if you havent made it outta the first round since 2000. I think you keep fixing it untill it works
This was this core's first playoff appearance...
Only one guy had more than 3 years experience. 3 were rookies. Just getting into the playoffs is pretty remarkable for these guys’ age/experience level.
I think we saw holes also
like everybody did. We definetly need a upgrade at PG. You disagree?
Hinrich is alot better than Blake
Blake isn't part of the core.
None of our PGs can yet be considered a core player. Martell, Outlaw, Blake, Sergio, Bayless, picks, cap space and cash. Those are things you try to trade or give for a new PG before you offer Rudy or any other core player.
But Hinrich isn't worth giving up Rudy for
That’s kind of the issue here. Hinrich could be had by giving up Blake and Outlaw alone most likely. If you can’t make a deal using all of our extra parts (we have a ton of these), then you haven’t tried hard enough.
Who is worthy of moving Rudy for??
I am the last person you should say i havent tried hard enough.
I have made many trade ideas but everybody is so set on Rubio or Conley with McDyess coming in. I have heard that so much that im starting to think they are actually coming to portland.
This is just something new.
Quantity doesn't equal qaulity.
Not to be rude, but just because a trade idea is written out nicely doesn’t mean it’s a good one. Your work is appreciated, it sparks conversation and debate on a site perfect for that.
That doesn’t mean that most people will like your trades, or that if a GM was looking at it they would think its a good trade.
The only thing that you trade Rudy for right now
is a young franchise or borderline franchise level point guard. Then you can throw in a couple more pieces to make it work.
If you trade Rudy, you’ve just created a huge hole in our lineup that was unnecessary. Teams need super high efficiency players like Rudy. There are only a couple players in the whole of the NBA that boast a higher number, and this was during a season that Rudy was a rookie and that he had to play in the Olympics to begin the year.
Two of the highest efficiency guys in the NBA are Ray Allen and Manu Ginobli. This type of player goes along way to helping a team win Championships. Notice that both of those guys aren’t great defenders either.
You have a fine balance
Of overrating players that havent played a minute in the NBA,
While underating players that played just one season in the NBA.
That being said, i always like your discussions, and you always merit a response or two.
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Deals don't get made by fans, especially in Chicago they get made by an owner who doesn't even completely trust his GM
If you check out recent interviews by Ben Gordon, he doesn’t even know if the Bulls really want him back. The fans know little about the wheelings and dealings of “Gar Paxdorf”, the triumvirate of decision makers in Chicago. With Reinsdorf as the ultimate decision maker. If he decrees his managers to not go over the luxury tax, they will do just that no matter if it entails decisions that are dumb from a basketball on-court perspective which is all the big majority of fans care about. He cares about his money, and about the success of the team.
Trading Hinrich just for Blake and picks actually makes the most sense for the Bulls, since that opens them the biggest opportunity in terms of financial savings while still replacing many of Hinrich’s skills. They have no real need for Outlaw, including him would only make a trade exception the deal would create much smaller. And while they certainly would find a need for Rudy, that doesn’t fly with KP.
You are really underestimating Blake and Outlaw
Both of their PER’s are higher than Hinrich’s, and they are each less then half the salary of Kirk. A Bull’s fan is the one who I got the idea from. Blake is a great backup for Rose, and Outlaw would fit in with their system as well.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
"Overrated white guy" is how a lot of people view Hinrich
He is not overrated, but he is also not worth Blake, Travis, and Rudy.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
well i dont think portland would do your trade either
i love kirk and all, but to give away that much for a non impact player is a bit much.
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 14, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions
This is too much trading
I don’t think you want to change over every position on the team. Then you’re practically starting over in terms of team-building. I think the key is to make about two key changes that either bring in a big star or support the existing core.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008 and Steve Blake since two weeks ago.
This deal wouldnt change every position at all
You still have the key guys at every position including some promising rookies or second year players.
We were playing good basketball before Rudy was here so I really dont think we would losr alot more games without him in our lineup this season
As in...
We played .500 ball the season before Rudy was here.
Then Rudy came here and we won 52 games and shared the division title WITH Rudy!
Me gusta Rudy Fernandez.
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oops...
54 wins? Damn my short term memory.
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Exactly...
add that to the notion we should trade the rest of our depth and young talent for Prince and we suddenly have lost the team we had… and that I love.
I guess I don't understand...
we went from thinking Hinrich was a nice upgrade of Steve to thinking he’s worth 3 BIG pieces of our 54 win team…including Rudy???… Not for me… Sounds like Trader Bob talk to me.
Outlaw for Kirk and some picks or fringe guys… Do it.
Blake for Kirk and pick/fringe… think about it. (but I don’t like it)
Rudy for Kirk… Nope… So certainly not for all 3!!!
Chicago would do Outlaw for Kirk straight up
and definetly not blake. This aint video games both teams and fanbases should be happy with the deal. Maybe i gave them too much in the deal. That takes 2 seconds to redo to its not the end of the world. its the idea of trading Rudy for Hinrich and getting othr pieces to the puzzle
None of this is the end of the world...
…and I’ll assume you meant WOULDN’T do Outlaw and I don’t blame them. It’s even possible for playing time and flexability that Blake and Outlaw might make sense but that assumes Martell will be fine. I’m not sure I am ready to give up the luxury of that depth.
As far as the idea of trading Kirk for Rudy… Still don’t want any of that… but that’s just my opinion.
not understanding your logic
so if chicago would do kirk for outlaw straight up…why did you want to throw blake and rudy as fillers?
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by Philthyanimal on Jun 14, 2009 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant wouldnt
i dont think they would do the deal for Outlaw straight up and I dont even think they would do it including Blake thats why i put Rudy. Maybe we could do straight for Rudy. But if we want Hinrich then we would have to give up alot more than Outlaw or Blake because to Chicago fans they think we are giving them crap for a solid PG.
as11osu...
I’ve read several of your posts and I respect your opinions. Thanks for the consistent voice of reason.
by Ilikeemall on Jun 13, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I did not...
You can actually click on a persons S/N and go to their recent activity to see what they’ve recced.
by as11osu on Jun 13, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
qeuzadaz, I tend to do this too...
But while it might increase discussion (or at least comment volume) in a post, trying to refute every comment with a counter-comment isn’t really productive. On the one hand it’s good that you strongly believe in your idea, but you have just seen at Golden State of Mind this pretty unreflected style of answering everything immediately – as opposed to waiting a bit and then doing a synthesis or expand your thoughts with a counter-argument – ultimately won’t help to convince people if they disliked the idea to begin with. I’m neither Dave nor a moderator and I enjoy your posts and posts that get a discussion going in general, it’s just a thought.
Please excuse that I’m using you as an example, others do that too and as said it’s my own tendency.
aint no big deal
Its hard because when you post you fell like people are talking directly to you. So i do try to i guess counter their argument with backing mine up. My bad. Thanks
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A good host makes sure that everybody has enough potato chips and beer but doesn’t necessarily take part in all of the guests’ conversations. Sometimes, of course, you find that one or more of the guests has probably had too much beer …
One nice thing: cleaning up after a fanpost is a breeze!
"Just kidding"
i don't like the idea of trading rudy.
i bought his jersey.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
I dont like the idea of trading Rudy.
And it aint going to happen because I say so.
by southern oregon on Jun 13, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont like the idea of trading Rudy to Chicago
Who is Von Wafer going to torch next year in the playoffs?
The Bulls are looking to shed Hinrich's salary
They were interested in a deal with the Wolves for Miller, apparently though the Wolves aren’t interested. Could be a bluff, but if not the Blazers should seriously go after him. He is the guy. He isn’t cheap, but his 3 year contract deescalates, and by then we will know if Bayless is for real.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
Mightn't we be able to get Hinrich for some of our other pieces?
That said, I don’t think Rudy is a good fit in Portland. Because he’s a passer. With Nate and Brandon setting a very staid and conservative offensive tone, Rudy will not be able to flower here unless some other players come in to change the chemistry.
As it stands, it seems likely the Blazers will now trade the one player on the team who plays a similiar style to Rudy. The pass-minded Sergio Rodriguez.
I think we will keep Rudy for the reasons cited above, because it would look bad to trade him, and he is popular. But I am not convinced it is best for Rudy or Portland.
Rudy's a passer?
He seems like a mighty happy shooter to me. Don’t get me wrong, he can pass. But he’s far more interested in knocking down the three ball or running past his defender for an easy oop than he is running the offense like a point guard.
it's not that he's a point guard.
it’s that he is accustomed to and has developed the skills for, an active, passing style of offense, not a slow down isolation approach like the Blazers use. Whether he is on the receiving end of that pass or is just a link in a chain of quick ball movement.
in fact, Rudy would be much more of a passer
on a team that suited his style.
I agree
its great for Portland to keep him but for Rudy i think he would be happy to get outta here and go somewhere he would start and be able to play his game
championships?
players like rudy like winning? i thought he was like an ai or starberry and just wanted to get his numbers. who cares if you win.
fire nate before its too late
I disagree
Brandon and Rudy play very well together. Rudy is a motion guy with a quick shot, Brandon is a drive and dish type player. Very cohesive.
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why do we need roles?
i didnt know a nba team had to have a pg, sg, sf, pf, c to be any good. how about dallas playing barea, kidd, dirk, bass and dampier? kidd and barea are both pg, dirk is a 7’ who plays the role of a sf but is pf and bass is a pf. thats 2 pf and 2 pg in teh same lineup that must make them suck. or david lee the 6’9 pf who plays center. or kirk hinrich the player most of you think portland must have that plays back up sg just as much as he plays pg. pau gasol played c most of the time when bynum was hurt, but hes a pf. i guess all these players suck because they are not playing in there natural nba position at all times.
why do Rudy and Roy have to fit in to a box and no one else does? rudy and roy can play together at the same time. its not a new idea and its not something that would happen 30+ minutes a game, but they can play together and both get there minutes. or, maybe if we can look back to the boston game, the blazers can just play 6 players at a time and there will be plenty of minutes for everyone. my dream portland starting lineup for next year- blake, rudy, roy, batum, la, oden. yes i put 6 players and it would make it so much easier. but more realisticly i like rudy, roy, batum, la, oden with the reserves being blake, bayless(not a pg), webster, freeland, pryzbilla.
fire nate before its too late
Dallas lost in the first round.
Has David Lee ever made the playoffs? I don’t think those are really the best two examples.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 13, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
My bad.
Dallas lost in the second round. Still… not the most ideal team to emulate.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 13, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
how about san antonio?
they had a lineup of duncan and robinson, both centers and they won a championship together.
fire nate before its too late
or orl 2008-2009
i think turkeyglue and lewis are both a natural nba sf and they played at the same time, so they must have sucked, but they did make it to the finals.
fire nate before its too late
Thats a whole other story
They are both tall and could play either forward position so they could play at the same time. Hedo is a point forward so really they could all play at the same time.
Thats like saying Gasol, Bynum and Odom cant play at the same time. Odom is just a big SF who can play PF.
I’m not much into reading the trade posts.
Just wanted to say thanks for all the great contributions in this thread – enjoyed it.
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wth
that deal sucks for the blazers we lose our 3rd 4th and 5th highest scorers 2 are our 2 best bench players andour starting point guard for a solid point guard and a draft pick. That is the worst deal I have ever seen in my whole life we could get alot more for travis outlaw and rudy fernandez and steve blake then kirk hinrich. The bulls want to give Kirk Hinrich away we could maybe get him for sergio and channing. I would cease to be a fan of kevin pritchard if that trade ever happened.
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Noticed you’re a Flynn fan. Any thoughts on what it would take for MN to get Rudy? I’m hoping we keep Rubio and would love to pair him with his Spanish National Team backcourt mate. Might help his transition to MN and NBA.
Flynn plus future picks? We have 3 first rounders next year (ours, Utah, Charlotte).
by TWolvesFanInLA on Jun 26, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No interest in Flynn here
we have what it takes to get Rubio. Or at least more than anyone else would/could give.
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