Hendrickson Joins Team Bayless
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Why not, you drafted the guy #11...I don't get why everyone is so quick to throw him away
I mean… Conley over Bayless? Really?
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by leeroyjenkins on Jun 12, 2009 7:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s all in the stache. Conley has one, Bayless doesn’t.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 12, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Conley is better yesterday, today and tomorrow.
by jksnake99 on Jun 12, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow is yet to be written
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 12, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a plan, and if it works even a pretty aggressive one
But the Blazers are more sold on Bayless than anyone seems to imagine. And he has a year to prove them right.
Because next summer will be a decisive moment for that position. Steve Blake will be a 30-year-old unrestricted free agent, and Rodriguez’s rookie contract will expire. That leaves Bayless all alone to slide into the starting role, naturally and uncontested.
I have said all along that the Blazers won’t trade Bayless so soon before the deadline and now. If he can develop into being a starter in time for 2010-11 I don’t know, that’s why I wouldn’t mind Hinrich for 2 years or another strong young player to battle it out with him. But if he is ready, all the better, we just found ourselves our own Rondo/Westbrook/Rose/Bayless.
by Norsktroll on Jun 12, 2009 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I agree with one of those
But if he is ready, all the better, we just found ourselves our own Rondo/Westbrook/Rose/Bayless.
This depresses me somewhat. I don’t believe that Bayless is a PG (he hasn’t ever shown anything to suggest he isn’t a Monta Ellis Vinnie Johnson type) and I truly believe that Rubio is a once-in-a-generation type PG. My main concerns with Bayless are:
* This will mean that Oden will see the ball even less (Blake was bad enough at getting the ball to him but (a) he actually was a real PG in college, and (b) Bayless has stumpy arms – not ideal for post-feeding)
* This will mean that Brandon is in effect made our PG, and he plays a VERY slow-down offense when he dominates the ball. Okay for the fourth quarter, but not for the rest of the game
* OR the plan is to play an Orlando Magic offense, where they have one creator, one player down low, and the rest standing around the three point line. Ugly.
Either way, I dispair of Portland ever getting out of the bottom three teams in the NBA in pace.
by meru on Jun 12, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably right that with McMillan the Blazers will never play at a fast pace
I won’t stop thinking Bayless is at least as talented as Westbrook, and that’s not a player we need to dream of since we have him. Monta Ellis also is an interesting player, and while he likely will score more than Bayless (in the GS system especially) Bayless has more point guard qualities and is a better defender. Regarding Oden, they are currently working on bringing the two together. If Bayless is the one who learns how to play with him, that puts him indeed in an ideal position to take over some time in the future.
by Norsktroll on Jun 12, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Fisher ^.^
Offseason:
PG Options: Mike Conley(T)
SG Options: Terrence Williams(D)
Forward Options: Ronnie Turiaf(T) - Damion James(D), Taj Gibson(D), Kevin Seraphin(D)
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 12, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont get how having an average wing span
has anything to do with his ability to feed the post. There are good passers out there with out exceptional wingspans. Deron Williams has about the same wing span and is a good passer and I do not see him having a lot of trouble feeding the post. At this point in Oden’s career he can not score 1-1 and seems to be at his best when he is in motion. Bayless’ ability to get to the rim would play to Oden’s strengths on offense if Bayless can improve his ability to pass off the dribble. He showed some signs of this later in the season, but it is not a bankable skill yet.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 12, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
bleh, the Orlando magic offense
it certainly hasn’t taken that team anywhere.
oh man, I think I'm average like, ten points, like, twelve, thirteen dimes, like two, three assists, and about four, five rebounds, and if we need me to play, play a different position, I might get a little bit more.
by abdelnaby on Jun 12, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i salute brian hendrickson for his powerful contribution to this movement
by Ben. on Jun 12, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad Team Bayless is growing. The board meetings have been pretty empty recently.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 12, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team Bayless never died
Most of them have just been quiet as of late because the only thing to hype Bayless for is potential.
by Zaig on Jun 12, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding. it will be standing room only come july though
by Ben. on Jun 12, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
or does this article actually say very little. It seems like he has the contract status of Blake and Sergio and some cards he is keeping close to his chest to provide evidence of his claim.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 12, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
But the 19-year-old rookie gave a cold, intense stare
-Gabby
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Jun 12, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We're going to see a lot of nice finishes and a lot of bad passes
He might become indispensable as an explosive scorer, but I don’t think his brain is wired to become a great facilitator. I wish he knew that much about himself. His great strength is believing that nobody can prevent him from scoring. It might soon be true, but a true point guard has a nearly opposite mindset, knowing that the defense can’t truly cover all five players. Bayless, at his best, wills himself to the rim no matter what. A great point guard takes what the defense must give up and wills his team to win.
by cantdunk on Jun 12, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe this pop psych junk (no offense)
playing PG isn’t rocket science. Bayless just needs reps (which he will start getting w/ Oden). PG’s are not born anymore than a great violinist is born. There may be innate talent, but hard work is what makes the virtuoso.
No one has yet answered me this fundamental question: “What is so hard about passing a ball?”
Playing PG is not rocket science. It just comes down to familiarity with ones teammates and instant risk vs return analysis. All of Jerryd’s life, he has been the best player on his team. If the ball is in his hands, he is much more likely than his teammate to hit a shot or draw a foul. Why pass when your teammate is just going to draw rim on a contested jumper, or flub an easy layup?
In contrast, now he isn’t the best player on the floor, and he has shown a willingness to pass (something other derided scoring PG’s like Iverson never really showed, AI still thinks he’s option 1A and 1B). Bayless needs time to learn our offensive sets, to learn where Roy, LMA, or Oden like to receive the ball, to learn how to run that pick and roll with Greg. These skills are not difficult,they just take time. Bayless hasn’t shown a “me first” attitude, in fact, one could argue that in garbage time he “over passed,” often deferring to lesser scoring threats.
How can your brain be “wired” or not wired to be a facilitator? That’s BS plain and simple. All things (read teammates) being equal, the only factors in play are (un)selfishness and confidence in ones ability. If one is selfish and/or overconfident, they will be a chucker, if one is unselfish and/or not confident in their scoring prowess, they will likely be a distributor. If one is unselfish, but confident in their shot, then you get a Chauncey Billups/Tony Parker type guard.
Bayless has demonstrated unselfishness and needs to regain confidence in his shot. Other than that, Bayless just needs reps.
I grow weary of this “PG’s are born” crap. PG’s are not born any more than a lawyer is born or a mechanic is born. One may have natural aptitudes and proclivities, but hard work and dedication trumps talent every time.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 12, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What is so hard about passing a ball?
Okay fine! Everyone in the NBA can be a PG! Anyone who is fast should be able to dish out 10 dimes a game and run the point without an issue!
It’s silly that we haven’t seen 100 guys with Stockon levels of assists because passing is so easy and everybody can do it the same.
It isn’t pop psych junk when you say that all playes play different. It’s fact. Would you like to know some issues that affect passing ability? Here goes.
1. Desire: Some guys look to score first and pass second. Our minds work quick, but if you look to score, then .25 seconds later see it is not there, the pass may be gone. If you look to pass and it isn’t there, you’ve lost .25 seconds of the time you could have spent looking for an opening. I’m not going to argue that one way is better than the other, but the difference is there.
2. Reaction Time: Another one that is measure in miliseconds. I’ve seen no studies on this, but it’s possible that the great passers of all time have slightly better reactions time than normal passers. Most of the population has reaction time between .190 and .250. 6/100th of a second might not sound like a long time, but it really is. I’m gonna wager that most NBA players are on the lower end, and some might even be below the .190 because athletes in general have better reaction time, but there is a difference.
Reaction time matters because you’re trying to see opening across the court. The longer it takes to process these, the more likely that the chance is gone.
3. Peripheral vision- Another thing that is hard to test and that nobody studies, but it’s also possible that some guys just don’t see the floor on each side as well as others. People love the term “tunnel vision” which is silly because I doubt anyone with true tunnel vision could play in the NBA, but regardless, it’s obvious that some guys don’t see the sides as well as others.
There are no doubt plenty more, but this post is long enough.
by Zaig on Jun 12, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
desire and reaction time
come with incentive and reps.
As far as peripheral vision, watch some of his passes in “gunnin for that number 1 spot.”
Grooving the neural pathways with reps will quicken reaction time, the incentive of playing time will provide the desire.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Jun 12, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to have touched a nerve...
…but I don’t think you can reduce the role of a great play-maker to just passing the basketball or unselfishness.
If I read you right you are also asserting that point guard skills are 100% nurture, 0% nature. That seems like an extreme viewpoint too.
by cantdunk on Jun 14, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off
Bayless will have a better 2nd year than Conley, and you can take that to the bank.
Secondly, I know of a player who was 6’3 ~200lbs, averaged 19.7pts, 4.3 asts and 2.33to per game in the year before he was drafted. He was a senior albeit so he had a little more time to develop, but he was an NAIA player and did not play the toughest schedule, both overall and defensive in the NCAA as a freshman and put up averaged 19.7pts, 4 asts and 3to per game.
They were both considered PG/SGs who could score very well in college but at least Bayless tried to play PG his freshman year, as the other player was a SG until his senior year when he slid over to the PG position. Even with the 4 years of college, he still only had a 1.8a/to ratio against NAIA competition not NCAA.
The fact that Terry Porter, you know the guy who is considered the greatest Blazer PG and is one of only 10 Blazers to have their # retired, had such similar #s as Bayless and yet came into the NBA and proves that it has been done before.
People like you probably said that there was no way that Porter could EVER average 10apg yet in 87-88 he did just that. People probably said
“Terry Porter doesn’t have the desire!! Some guys look to score first and pass second. Our minds work quick, but if you look to score, then .25 seconds later see it is not there, the pass may be gone. If you look to pass and it isn’t there, you’ve lost .25 seconds of the time you could have spent looking for an opening. I’m not going to argue that one way is better than the other, but the difference is there.”
or
“Terry Porter doesnt have the reaction time!! Another one that is measure in miliseconds. I’ve seen no studies on this, but it’s possible that the great passers of all time have slightly better reactions time than normal passers. Most of the population has reaction time between .190 and .250. 6/100th of a second might not sound like a long time, but it really is. I’m gonna wager that most NBA players are on the lower end, and some might even be below the .190 because athletes in general have better reaction time, but there is a difference.
Reaction time matters because you’re trying to see opening across the court. The longer it takes to process these, the more likely that the chance is gone.”
or how about
“Terry Porter doesn’t have peripheral vision!! Another thing that is hard to test and that nobody studies, but it’s also possible that some guys just don’t see the floor on each side as well as others. People love the term "tunnel vision" which is silly because I doubt anyone with true tunnel vision could play in the NBA, but regardless, it’s obvious that some guys don’t see the sides as well as others.”
I am not saying that Bayless will or even needs to get to 10apg to be considered a success but there has been a precedent that a player with his background can be very successful in the league.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 12, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry Porter displayed his abilities prior to the draft
It was to such a degree that the blazers drafted him as a point guard and Bucky Buckwalter worried that Porter had “shown too much” in pre-draft camps and wouldn’t be available at their pick.
I’m not arguing that a player can’t change positions and excel. I’m just saying some players are better at scoring, and some are better at running the offense.
by cantdunk on Jun 14, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could Greg join Jerryd in Summer League?
He was a rookie, but logged a fairly large number of appearances. Is there a max? I’d love to see JB distributing to Greg Petteri and Martell in Vegas.
Bedge or go home.
by Ojala John on Jun 12, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Greg
will not play in SL. Yes it would be good to get some reps in but it is such a G oriented league it would not do him too much. Better to get him into some bigman camps so he can learn what to do with the ball when he gets it, instead of only having the pick and roll alley opps.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 12, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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