Will Trout Be the Blazer's Jameer Nelson??
Tonight, even after Howard missed two free throws with about 11 seconds remaining, the Magic still were up by three and had the upper hand. As long as they didn't allow a three-pointer, they'd be even in the series and the pressure would shift to the Lakers. But on the ensuing play, Jameer Nelson unaccountably played back on Derek Fisher, allowing him to drain a wide-open three-pointer, leading to an overtime victory for the Lakers. With that one boneheaded play, Nelson effectively ended his team's promising championship run. And with that play, Nelson reminded me of why I hope the Blazers trade Trout.
In fairness, Trout isn't the only Blazer player who makes lots of dumb plays. But the others are newbies, whereas Trout is now a six-year veteran. It's simply unrealistic to think his ability to think the game of basketball (see, I didn't mention "basketball IQ") will improve going forward.
Returning to Nelson's disastrous brain fart: this was exactly the type of boneheaded play at a critical time in a playoff series that I've long believed Trout will someday make. I've watched the NBA for a very long time now, and I've noted that the difference between champions and also-rans is hair-thin. We're seeing that once again in this playoff run by the Lakers. They aren't significantly more talented than their opponents. They just make fewer dumb plays at critical moments.
Believe it or not, I love Travis Outlaw. True, I've complained about his lack of toughness & physicality. But I love his sweet, laid back personality, his magic jumpshot, and his ability to leap out of the gym. I realize that he's a glue guy in terms of team chemistry, and that he's won regular season games for the Blazers--quite a few of them in fact. But in the playoffs, every flaw in your team becomes magnified, and championship teams simply don't have players who consistently make dumb plays.
After Nelson's gaffe, Jeff Van Gundy was beside himself. He said the lack of basketball IQ on the part of some NBA players never ceases to amaze him. He asked how you can not be aware of the time & score? He said, "I'd like to know what was going through Nelson's mind on that play."
Please, KP, don't let us hear those words someday about a Blazer player at the critical juncture of a Finals appearance. Let it be the OTHER team that makes the boneheaded plays. Don't give Trout away. But if you can get real value for him, pull the trigger. (And if Trout proves me wrong someday and wins a championship with someone else, I'll take the blame. Because we all know that you base your decisions on BE fanposts.)
Postscript: I didn't expect a lot of agreement on this Fanpost, and I didn't receive it. But now, should my premonition come true someday, I'll have the faint pleasure of writing an "I told you so" Fanpost. Kinda like the Fanpost I wrote after the young Blazers proved to lack the necessary toughness & physicality to pass their first playoff test.
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that's impossible to say
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by cloudydays on Jun 12, 2009 2:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone makes bad plays
If Dwight Howard wouldn’t have bricked both his free throws directly before that play, it would have been moot.
Superman’s kryptonite is the charity stripe.
I think Jeff Van Gundy gets emotional watching his lil’ bro’s team. A few plays before that, he was praising Jameer Nelson’s game and saying that he was the only one on the magic making the right decisions.
Sometimes you’ve just got to tip your hat to the guy for making an incredible shot. I @#$%ing hate the L*kers, but Derek Fisher made a great play, simple as that.
As far as Outlaw goes, if the Blazers were in the same situation (with Greg Oden at the line instead of Dwight Howard) Coach Mac would have substituted Nicolas Batum for Outlaw after the first free-throw as a situational defender.
by BlazerTag on Jun 12, 2009 2:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Er, yes: everyone makes dumb plays
And maybe Jameer doesn’t make them nearly as consistently as Trout. In Nelson’s defense, he’s been out for months, and that’ll affect your thought process out there as well as your play. He DID make some nice dishes in the second half.
But you weaken your case when you "tip your hat" to Fisher for making "an incredible shot." Fisher’s a clutch player, and he drained a shot at a key moment. But he should NEVER have had that look. If you watched the replay, Nelson clearly was guarding against letting Fisher get past him and to the rim. WHY?? There’s no excuse: it was a dumb, dumb play—the type we see Trout make on a regular basis.
Which really is my point. As I said at the outset, the Nelson play reminded me of why I hope the Blazers trade Trout. Because regardless of how often NELSON makes dumb plays at critical times, there’s no denying that Trout does—not if you’re honest.
It could be argued that Outlaw makes up for those gaffes with that magic jumper of his. But my thesis is that at the worst possible time, Trout’s penchant for brain farts will come back to bite him—and the team he plays on. That’s just how the game of basketball is. There’s a kind of Murphy’s Law at work.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 12, 2009 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He should have never had that look because the coach should have fouled
SVG can blame himself for playing a ton of Jameer over Alston, too little of Lee, and a ton of J.J. Redick. And for not ordering a foul.
by Norsktroll on Jun 12, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Pietrus or Hedo for not calling the final 20 second timeout when the designed play broke down. So many things went wrong in that game. Low basketball IQ on many fronts.
by Norsktroll on Jun 12, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was coaching the Magic
I wouldn’t have Howard in that play with the chance of having him go to the line. But biggest blame should go to Howard for making that much money and not pratice enough to have better FT shooting %.
by Sungari on Jun 13, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
based only on the title
I thought you were going to ask if Outlaw has a chance to make a huge leap in his game next season. I guess we’ve moved on
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jun 12, 2009 3:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't!
We are giving Outlaw characteristics I haven’t seen. Since when did Outlaw get a low IQ? Maybe this post should be about Brandon turning the ball over by running down a Rocket to lose us a chance in that series. It seems just as absurd either way.
The real argument for changing Outlaw’s role is the improvement issue. Both he and Brandon need to do whatever it takes to up their defensive ability. Outlaw is not known for positive changes after the offseason. This vacation time problem and his ability to take it inside are his main issues.
Outlaw can score, play defense, and makes smart passes (notice how many of the "Blazer Dunks of the Year" he set up). He also runs the floor, is great rotation-wise because he can play PF as well, and he took it to Kevin Garnett more than LMA has. The main problem is we expect him to make everything, never waste any clock, etc. (Does Roy do this?)
Add to this the fact that the reason Roy and LMA are friendly is because Outlaw stepped in. He is important already in keeping our group of super competitive guys happy amongst one another.
To wrap up, let’s remember late game Travis of seasons past. He often grabs the big impossible rebound to win the game. He often makes the shot to get us to the point where Brandon can finish it off. He often is in the face of the guy who just bricked that shot. Travis is a late game monster when compared to most NBA players.
To me it seems sheer folly to consider dumping Travis Outlaw.
(Who is one of the first Blazers in any fracas with opposing teams, oh yeah, its Travis again…)
by staylost on Jun 12, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Outlaw for Nelson straight up!!
by socalblazer on Jun 12, 2009 5:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bringing back Jameer to play in this series was a terrible idea, just needed to be said
And Travis will always make dumb plays. Why? Because his bbiq is low. Yeah he’s got an amazing ability to hit hard jump shots. But that’s both a blessing and a curse.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 12, 2009 7:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
the game they’ve won was the one where Alston was playing in the 4th quarter. Plus those other three series, of course. What is Stan thinking?
by Section323 on Jun 12, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say he got greedy
The “master of panic” didn’t believe deep down that he had enough to beat the Lakers with the guys who got him there. Classic coaching error; all he did was undermine his team’s confidence & chemistry.
Much as I detest Phil Jackson, I can’t imagine him making that mistake. Bring back a point guard who hasn’t even practiced with the team in four months? For the first game of the Finals? You just don’t do that.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 12, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stan is not a good coach!
Prove #1: Having Howard in the game during the last offensive play.
Prove #2: Not fouling to avoid a three pointer.
Prove #3: Not letting his players know to give up drive but stay close to three point shooter.
by Sungari on Jun 13, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't really disagree with this
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jun 12, 2009 7:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i feel sorry for nelson
first. the bonehead defensive play
second, he got nailed in the face by k*be and there was no wistle
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on Jun 12, 2009 7:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't Jameer's fault
Dwight should have made the FTs and Kobe should have been called on the elbow to the jaw. Air France jogged back on a fast break and allowed a 2 on 1 play. There are a bunch of other examples of critical plays that could have changed the outcome.
Is Trout streaky? Sure. Is that worse than being consistently mediocre?
by ninjasocks on Jun 12, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The likeness for me isn't Travis and Jameer Nelson, it's Travis and Kobe Bryant...
……………………… Particularly now that Kobe has lost the first step and can’t get to the rack at will (which puts him into Travis’ agility category). You will see lots of perimeter jumpers, and the ones that go down can be godlike; and the ones that miss can be moronic. But you take the good with the bad because THIS PARTICULAR SORT OF PLAYER can get the “open” jumper against anyone, even when he’s covered, by elevating and fading.
Kobe is MUCH more intense and determined and commands more respect from opponents (thus having more options for passes to open teammates). But nevertheless, the TYPE of player is the same.
Travis gets blamed for too much and is appreciated too little.
That said, I’d trade him in a heartbeat for a glass-eating 4, because I like POWER BALL, not jumpshooting. But I’m just saying, many people are inconsistent about Travis, overlooking his merits while exaggerating his deficiencies…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 12, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree entirely.
The people who need to use Travis in a trade to acquire an important player, I have no problem with.
It is those who act like if we dumped him we would all of a sudden become a 60 win team.
Mocking a player’s intelligence without any special proof (that means you need many examples because Brandon has made some dumb plays too) is out of line in my opinion.
by staylost on Jun 12, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the deal with Outlaw....
He does’t make players around him better. Players tend to stand and watch because they know that he’s going up with the shot. I love all the game winning shots he’s hit, belive me, but yes, I could see him making the same bone-head play that Nelson made last night, because i’ve seen it to many times before from him.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Jun 12, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if his brother wasn't the coach...
he would have said something different.
“After Nelson’s gaffe, Jeff Van Gundy was beside himself. He said the lack of basketball IQ on the part of some NBA players never ceases to amaze him. He asked how you can not be aware of the time & score? He said, “I’d like to know what was going through Nelson’s mind on that play.”
this is the same jeff van gundy who during the celtics / bulls series went on a tirade about how any good coach will foul with a three point lead in a one possession game. you might recall ray allen (i think) hit a 3 to extend a game to overtime. i don’t even recall who won, it really doesn’t matter.
the point is that jvg was being completely intellectually dishonest by bagging on jameer nelson in that situation and i don’t even think it’s debatable. he has clearly said in the very recent past that he believes coaches should always foul in this situation. what happened last night was a text book case for his point and isn’t it interesting that he chose instead to talk about how dumb jameer nelson was than point out:
1. his brother didn’t want to foul and have a free throwing shooting contest.
2. his brother put the smaller and defensively less skilled jameer nelson on the court instead of rafer alston on the key play.
3. his brother did not adequately prepare his team for how to defend the lakers back court entry Z pass situation.
if the finals had been cleveland / la and the same play happens, i am all but certain that jvg would have lit into mike brown for all of the above. moreover jameer was not the only magic player not focusing all attention on the 3-ball. on this play, both rashard lewis and dwight howard were in the vicinity of the key, lewis in particular was playing off a man on the 3 point line.
if the coaches’ strategy was to defend the 3 at all costs, this would never have happened. the defenders would have given the quick layup and stayed on the perimeter. clearly svg wanted to play the lakers more or less straight up because he didn’t trust his team to make free throws.
the biggest dope last night was svg, no question in my mind. i think jvg knew this too. he just wasn’t willing to say it.
by colinmarsh on Jun 12, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great! A fanpost that goes out of its way to slam Outlaw
No worth here.
Orlando got beat because they trapped the ball and Fisher was pretty much wide open as a result. Not because Jameer Nelson was some kind of a dummy. Nelson did the right thing after the Lakers had a 4 on 3 – he covered Ariza and then switched back out to Fisher. He just couldn’t get far enough out on Fisher who was fully 5 feet behind the three-point line.
This made you think of Outlaw because Outlaw is your scapegoat. He’s from Mississippi and has the southern accent, therefore he must be intellectually challenged.
Lay off the poor guy. – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
by 22baylor on Jun 12, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's just silly
Based on your logic, if Brandon Roy were from Mississippi and had a southern accent, I’d say he lacked basketball smarts. Yeah, right. Maybe you should examine your own stereotypes.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 12, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am guessing:
That he doesn’t see why you think Travis lacks basketball smarts. Because of that he is reaching to try to understand why everyone else thinks Travis lacks these smarts.
To be fair to him, you’ve never really been able to show (other than your opinion, which is entirely fair in its own way) that Travis makes a greater number of stupid decisions than the next guy.
To be fair to you, you never said it had anything to do with Mississippi (wow, fun to type).
by staylost on Jun 12, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two good points:
1) I haven’t documented that Trout makes more boneheaded plays than the next Blazer. One could put together an impressive “lowlight” reel out of just one week’s worth of Blazer games. But how would one prove that someone else didn’t make as many blunders over that time? Maybe a hidden microphone under the Blazers’ bench would provide more quantifiable data: we’d just count the number of times Nate screamed, “TRAVIS!!!”
2) Mississippi is hard to spell. I fall back on a childhood rhythmic spelling of the word. Maybe there was a melody to go with it, but I don’t recall that. Bottom line: you want to double every letter that isn’t an M or an i.
3) Note that I didn’t question whether Trout can spell Mississippi. One can be perfectly intelligent in one area of life and be boneheaded in another. If we’re honest, we all will admit we resemble that remark.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 13, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw is great fun to watch when nothing is on the line
but it it will be addition through subtraction the day we trade him. We will be trading away some major weaknesses thereby strengthening the team. No one will miss his game for very long.
by oregonslee on Jun 12, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please don't try to represent me.
Your opinion is fine, but to claim to know my feelings like this is something that belongs on espn.com.
Either you know I won’t miss his game, or I am no one. Thanks.
Outlaw is pretty well recognized to play better when ‘something’ is on the line.
by staylost on Jun 12, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember Admiral Stockdale
Why would I represent you (whatever that means). What in the hell do my comments have to do with your feelings. This isn’t your post and my comments we not posted in reply to your comments. Maybe I misunderstand your complaint.
by oregonslee on Jun 12, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, what's remarkable about Trout is that he plays the SAME in the clutch
That’s a big compliment, by the way. Jerry West once said that his “Mr Clutch” nickname was inaccurate. He said he didn’t actually shoot a higher percentage under pressure. He just didn’t shoot a LOWER percentage like most guys do.
That’s Trout. He doesn’t necessarily get better late in games, but he’s not a choker, so he’s valuable in the 4th quarter. Unfortunately, he also makes boneheaded plays all game long, and in the fourth quarter, when possessions are so precious, that ends up costing games. In the playoffs, it tends to be decisive. By the late rounds, the teams are pretty evenly matched talent-wise. Usually the team that ends up on top is the smartest team, not the most talented.
I’ve always hated the Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, Bulls—but I had to admit that they didn’t beat themselves. That’s why they were so frustrating to root against. I want the BLAZERS to be that kind of team, and I don’t see it as long as Trout is around, sad to say. I’m just being honest.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 12, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will respectfully disagree that Travis makes bonehead decisions
At least any more than most starting small forwards make per minute. I don’t think he has a low intelligence nor do I think he has thrown away any of our games with a late bonehead.
I am just being honest too.
by staylost on Jun 12, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he has a low intelligence nor do I think he has thrown away any of our games with a late bonehead.
I know it’s only one game, but I’m pretty sure he admitted the Orlando loss was his fault. They doubled Brandon out top and he didn’t realize that it was his man doubling, and thus his responsibility to come to the ball. It resulted in a turnover or bad shot as the clock expired, giving Orlando a chance to win the game.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 13, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch Travis sometime when his man takes a shot
He almost NEVER does what you’re supposed to do: back into that guy to make sure he doesn’t get his own rebound. (The reason it’s vital that you do this is that the shooter is nearly always the first person on the court to know where the rebound is headed.)
Instead, most times, Trout just stands there watching the shot to see if it goes in. That is the very definition of a boneheaded play, and what makes it worse that Trout still does it repeatedly after 6 seasons of no doubt having his coaches try to break him of the habit.
I’ll bet Lucas would like to fit Trout with a shock collar by now so that he can train him to block out! I can’t count the number of times I’ve watched, in critical junctures of a game, this scenario transpire. Trout’s man takes a shot. Trout watches the shot miss. Meanwhile, Trout’s man goes right around him, grabs the rebound, and lays the ball in the basket. Those plays are just crushing.
And that’s just one example of the kind of boneheaded play that Trout makes on a regular basis. Even our homer announcers can’t help but point them out. But all some fans see is that magic jumper falling thru the twine. I’m sorry to have to be the one saying, “the Emperor is wearing no clothes.” If you remember the old fable…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 13, 2009 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I like about Travis is that he doesn't disappear late in games
Of course people hate it when a player misses a big shot. But they should hate it even more if the wrong guy has to take the shot because the designated scorer is too afraid or not skilled enough to get free and call for the ball.
That’s what happened to Orlando in game 2. How on earth does your rookie Lee (who is a great rookie, but still a rookie) get the ball twice for the decisive shot, both in regulation and OT? When you have 2 guys earning over 10 million (Howard, Lewis) and one guy who wants to earn 10 million (Hedo) running your offense? Why was your rookie the only player who managed to make himself available?
It’s also why I prefer Travis over e.g. Luol Deng, who has that nasty habit. Do I rather pay Travis $4 million to grab one or two less rebounds and let three guys run uncontested to the basket throughout the game but take 5 big shots in the 4th and make 3-4 of them, or $10+ million to Deng over many years to often not make a single three pointer, play somewhat better defense and then remain nowhere to be seen on the last shot? You bet I take Travis.
by Norsktroll on Jun 13, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.: This is also true for Rudy. Sometimes he didn’t get the ball enough in the 4th quarter, but you can be sure he tried and was willing to take the big shots. I expect to see him more next year in those situations especially after how he played in the playoffs.
by Norsktroll on Jun 13, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed: Trout and Rudy aren't afraid to take the big shot
That’s important. Nothing wrecks crunch time offense more than guys passing up open, in-rhythm shots.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 13, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the keep Outlaw camp.
That said, I was in the keep Jarrett Jack camp too.
You know what you’re getting with Outlaw in that you don’t always know what you’re getting, if that makes any sense. He will take that crazy shot, and it goes in often enough to make Outlaw feel like a coin flip. But when the Blazers have stalled out this past year, I’ve been happy to take a coin flip for a chance to restart the offense. Sometimes he’s heads and sometimes he’s tails. And it seemed to me that when Outlaw was tails on a particular night toward the end of the year, Rudy was getting the minutes instead.
I want Outlaw here for what he brings, and I am willing to put up with his weaknesses, but I want Rudy to be our sixth man. And I think Outlaw can be okay with that. And as a result, Outlaw is less likely to be in a postion to make that tails-type play.
Your postscript doesn’t quite sit right with me. Every player makes mistakes during games. I’m sure you can find moments where LeBron James lost his team games in the ECF. Talking about an “I told you so” post when Outlaw screws up in a big game seems a bit over the top and a tad confrontational, for I’m sure I could do one for Roy, Aldridge, Oden, or anyone who plays significant minutes in that situation. Or we could swing it the other way, and I could claim to write an “I told you so” post when Outlaw hits a big shot in a game. Both of us would probably have the opportunity to write those posts.
Now all of this could be (Mortimer’s favorite word a few days ago) moot if Outlaw is traded. While I want to keep him, if he goes, life as a Blazer fan goes on.
I hope I made a little sense. It’s past midnight back here, and I need to go to bed.
εἴγε καὶ ἐνδυσάμενοι οὐ γυμνοὶ εὑρεθησόμεθα.
by T Darkstar on Jun 12, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I'm half-joking about the "I told you so" posts
Like most basketball fans, I’ve been wrong as often (or more so) than I’ve been right. But sometimes, I’m pretty certain, and this is one of those times (as were all the times I said the Blazers lacked the necessary toughness & physicality to win a playoff series).
I think that, in regular season games, Outlaw’s strengths often offset his weaknesses. Probably more often than not. But as I’ve said so many times on this site, the playoffs are truly a different animal. Every possession becomes invaluable, and every mistake gets amplified. Teams that win championships are almost ALWAYS the teams that have the most heady players. Championship teams don’t beat themselves: you have to beat them.
It’s very discouraging to play a team like that. Sooner or later, you make a blunder and they capitalize. And they rarely take the pressure off you by returning the favor. I want the Blazers to be the team that does the capitalizing, that’s all.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 13, 2009 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right on
get value for trout while we can. Too many bad shots, too inconsistent, poor defense, too much unfulfilled potential.
by Gfactor34 on Jun 13, 2009 2:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Travis Is The Worst Perimeter Defender
Travis Outlaw got to be the worst perimeter defender on our team. I don’t know whether it’s laziness or lack of basketball IQ, he generally just floats in between the 3pt line and the post. He let shooters open at the worst time like when the other team needs a 3 pointer to tie at the end of the game.
by Balian on Jun 13, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I have worried about the same thing
And I agree that it’s time to get what we can for Travis.
Travis is the perfect guy for a perennial .500 team- he makes the spectacular look everyday, but he also makes the routine into an adventure.
This isn’t a good thing to put faith in consistently. We need stability now, and Travis is a loose cannon. Whether it’s because he doesn’t listen or because he has a low BBIQ, Travis isn’t a guy I want in the rotation going forward.
And yes, I fully understand that Travis is going to go to a team that gives him a ton of shots, he’ll start getting star calls, and he’ll put up some big numbers, but his teams will never be contenders.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jun 13, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"he makes the spectacular look everyday, but he also makes the routine into an adventure"
Nice.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jun 13, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be so awesome when Outlaw gets traded
And we don’t have to have these discussions anymore. Debate all you want about what Travis can do, what he can’t do, his intelligence, whose Dad could beat up whose Dad. But I can guarantee if you spent a week watching every single game this season with a pen and notepad and wrote out the pros and cons of Travis’s performance in each game, the con list would outweigh the pro list, probably by a large margin and particularly on the defensive end.
What I don’t understand is how these arguments get so personal. The trade Steve Blake stuff doesn’t get like this. Surprisingly the trade LaMarcus stuff doesn’t get this heated. Is it because Travis has been a long time Blazer? Or is it because Travis defenders (ironic title) deep down, secretly know he’s on his way out because he’s really not that good?
Climb the ladder.
Life is hilarious.
by SolGoode on Jun 13, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I have always thought that Travis’s tremendous physical gifts masked his lack of basketball smarts. The reason I would trade him is that I worry that he is more likely to lose us an important game due to a boneheaded play than win us one due to a tremendous athletic play. I say that in full knowledge that I may (and ultimately hope) that I am proven wrong.
Interrogation Cop: What are you saying?
Fenster: I said he'll flip you.
Interrogation Cop: He'll what?
Fenster: Flip you. Flip ya for real.
by Cyclops@Centercourt on Jun 13, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Travis spent the last 3 years
focused on learning defense this conversation would not be going on and instead we’d be talking about his chances of being picked for 6th man of the year award. What exactly does he bring that can’t be replaced and does it outweigh the weaknesses? Is he a good fit for this team in his style and position? Are we better off with a backup PF that scores less but controls the paint? All will be revealed this summer when KP does “the trade.”
by oregonslee on Jun 13, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
























