Ian Thomsen’s comments on Courtside
This is a paraphrase, I didn't record the interview
"I don’t think Nate McMillian wants to run. He won’t want to hand the keys to Ricky Rubio. Nate likes the San Antonio model. You run when it’s there but he values the half court offense."
"Jason Kidd said that towards the end of his career, he’d like to play 20 minutes per game as a reserve and serve as a mentor. About a year ago Nate told me he thought Kidd was the best defensive PG in the NBA "
"Everybody in the league knows how highly Kevin Pritchard values Jerryd Bayless"
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I heard it too
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jun 1, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kidd hasn't looked to me like a very good defender at all these past few years
So, I’m surprised to hear Nate still thinks he’s an elite defender. Interesting though.
by jksnake99 on Jun 1, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well… he has to defend his Olympic guy.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 1, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kidd can still defend wing players effectively, which is why he's a perfect fit in Dallas next to ...
Jason Terry and J.J. Barea. In my honest opinion, it’s in Kidd’s best interest to re-sign with the Mavericks.
by AK1984 on Jun 1, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As AK said
he’s a very good defender, just not of point guards. Swing him to the wing defensively and you have yourself a very good defender.
by as11osu on Jun 2, 2009 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with you an AK
the thing about Kidd is the dude is strong. He is best at gaurding SG’s and SF’s. When he is in the game you could put Batum in there also and have Batum gaurd the opposing temas PG.
by Escrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone knows D its Nate
Not to dis-agree with anyone but Nate Mac knows him sone defense when he see’s it. this does not mean Kidd or anyone else who may be mentioned have not fallen off a notch or two recently.
by blazerbeliever97504 on Jun 1, 2009 10:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Kidd's D
really only suffers playing one-on-one against the really fast point guards. He is strong, he anticipates very well, and he’s crafty. Additionally, if he’s playing only about 20 minutes/game his legs should be a little fresher to handle the faster point guards.
Chris Dudley for three!
by wilbjammin on Jun 1, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Pritchard further irks me with his fascination of point guards who don't fit Nate McMillan's system.
Whether it’s Pritchard’s utterly futile attempt to forcefully put a square peg into a round hole with free-wheeling playmakers (e.g., Sergio Rodriguez) or me-first combo guards (e.g., Jerryd Bayless), there’s seemingly a big disconnect between Pritchard and McMillan.regarding the point guard position.
If Pritchard would just finally come to his senses and swing a deal for Kirk Hinrich — who, without a shadow of a doubt, would appeal to McMillan’s desire for a tall, defensive-minded floor general with the ability to stick it from downtown and be careful with the basketball — then everyone will be happy here.
As someone who watched this nearly same exact scenario unfold in Seattle and ruin McMillan’s relationship with Wally Walker and Rick Sund, it astounds me that nobody has appeared to learn from past failures. In the end, ultimately, I wonder if both Prichard and McMillan will be here for Portland’s next run championship glory.
by AK1984 on Jun 1, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you know
Nate didn’t accept that contract extension last summer because he wanted to “earn it”
So you still have hope that KP will come to his senses and hire Jeff van Gundy (or whoever you prefer)
21, 34, 41, Olympic assistant, 54
Nate’s not going anywhere
by two4larue on Jun 1, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Nate voiced any displeasure with Jerryd?
Other than giving Sergio the nod as backup to Blake, I don’t recall any signs from Nate that he’s unhappy with Bayless’ future as a PG. JB may be a little shorter than Nate would prefer, but he makes up with it with his lower body strength (and sick hops)
by two4larue on Jun 1, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the next number in that sequence is 61...
21…34…41…54…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 2, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that like the Abdel-nacci Sequence?
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on Jun 2, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that is what I think too.
Which means we are going to win 74 games in two years and 81 in three years!
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jun 2, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid Thunder
Will beat us once before we beat them by a combined 120 in the next 3.
by Zaig on Jun 2, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
11, 9, 13, 7, 15, 5
which means
21, 32, 41, 54, 61, 76, 81
Don’t worry I’m an Engineer
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jun 2, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it was 32 not 34
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do."
-Chauncey Billups
by Kelsoballa on Jun 2, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
Also don’t forget, it was 27 the year before Nate arrived. The team got worse the first year under Nate (something not noted when his record gets brought up)
by Timmay! on Jun 2, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mention this frequently
No one listens though :-)
Now Roy/LMA have a flawless track record. THEY made this team go +11, +9, +13 since they have been here.
by Zaig on Jun 3, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compare rosters
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2005.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2006.html
The 2005 focus starting the season with Cheeks was to try to win and reach the playoffs. By the time Mo was fired and KP took over coaching, the plan had changed to rebuild mode. Nate knew that coming in. Now, if Nash had drafted Paul instead of Webster that offseason, maybe the growth curve wouldn’t have bottomed out in ’06?
by two4larue on Jun 3, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are lucky they won 21 games
That was WAY overachieving, regardless of of us winning 27 with a much different roster the year before.
We were worse than any of the last few last place teams in the NBA, I believe. Man, we were bad. HORRRIBLE.
by Mortimer on Jun 3, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Barrett and Rice were wrong, last night
Silly me for not fact-checking them
by two4larue on Jun 2, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
this says much more about nate than it does about Kevin Pritchard. I’m not asking to be the suns, but Nate’s coached blazer teams that are bottom three in the league in fast break points (easiest ones) for the past four years.
by darkhelmit54 on Jun 1, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and top 3 in offensive efficiency
also to pair with low turnovers.
Especially with a young team, you have to make sure they do not throw the ball away carelessly and are playing sound basketball overall before turning up the speed.
This season was a test run to see if all systems are go and then once everything is tightened down and in place we can turn up the speed.
Besides, a coach tell the players to do anything, hell if I was a coach I would tell them to set good screens, pass the ball and play good D. Doesnt mean they will do it but I can tell them to. The players have to take responsibility in it as well.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 1, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is also why...
we need to dump steve ‘boring’ blake. If roy hates to run fine, pair him with a pg that’s at least AVERAGE at it. with lamarcus running the floor there’s easy points to be had.
by darkhelmit54 on Jun 1, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame Blake
that is the easy thing to do
“We lost to Houston!!!”
BLAME BLAKE!!
“Travis could not hit anything!!
BLAME BLAKE!!
“The economy is crashing!!”
BLAME BLAKE!!
BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!BLAME BLAKE!!
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 1, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Blake didn't buy a GM vehicle last year, and didn't put his money into a Citibank account
And look what happened, they got thrown out of the Dow Jones on Monday.
by Norsktroll on Jun 2, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
blamke!
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Jun 2, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHINNY!

.
Oh sorry, I thought you said “Blucher!”
by MiledAnimal on Jun 2, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny!
Terry Gross interviewed Cloris Leachman yesterday and played a bunch of Frau Blucher.
by upper left corner on Jun 4, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake would look up the floor
and throw kick-ahead lob passes to LMA for easy finishes against opposing guards
non-conventional fast break? Sure. But an easy basket is an easy basket
Now, let’s see some more of that
by two4larue on Jun 1, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We saw that about 10 times the whole year.
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 2, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was that one game where Blake did that 10 times in a quarter
too bad our foe was routed before halftime and Blake sat while Sergio got playing time.
by NWfan on Jun 2, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you there
LMA can get 8 points a game easy off beating his man down the court, he’s that fast.
if brandon roy played for toronto he'd be brandon waaaaah
by R1cEbUrNeR on Jun 2, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has Nate ever had a PG who can run the fast break?
I don’t believe so.
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 1, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Run the fast break, play good defense & hit 3’s at a good rate?
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 1, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The glove? 2000-03
by two4larue on Jun 1, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The guy he played with, knew for about 20 years & knew he was capable of defending + running the fast break. Yes.
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 2, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2002-2003 Seattle SuperSonics were 2nd to last in pace factor that season.
by AK1984 on Jun 2, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This, by the way, will show how much Nate McMillan loves a slow-paced offense.
1999 Seattle SuperSonics (Coach Paul Westphal): 10th in Pace Factor.
1999-2000 Seattle SuperSonics (Coach Paul Westphal): 13th in Pace Factor.
2000-2001 Seattle SuperSonics (Coach Paul Westphal/Nate McMillan): 16th in Pace Factor.
2001-2002 Seattle SuperSonics (Coach Nate McMillan): 24th in Pace Factor.
2002-2003 Seattle SuperSonics (Coach Nate McMillan): 27th in Pace Factor.
If that doesn’t kill the dreams of those who want Portland to implement any semblance of an up-tempo, run-and-gun offense, then I don’t know what’ll do it.
by AK1984 on Jun 2, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't necessarily want a fast offense.
I want a slow, grind it out offense, that takes advantage of fast break opportunities when they happen. Brandon Roy does not have a run and gun game. It seems reasonable that the offense should be tailored to the teams best player.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on Jun 2, 2009 3:26 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Need a great passing bigman
or at least someone who can teach it to Aldridge/Oden
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 2, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want to win
I’ll take it spurs style, if that’s what it takes.
Your point on pace is taken though. It does look like a Rubio point guard would be an issue for nate.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
by ratbastird on Jun 2, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean
Like McMillian “dealt” with Sergio?
by two4larue on Jun 2, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio should be better than Sergio
And hopefully Nate can learn from his mistakes.
by Zaig on Jun 2, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you didn't like watching the Spurs style of play
Then you might want to skip the next 5 years of Blazer rooting
Brandon Roy and Nate McMillian will set the tempo. You can count on it
I asked LMA on his blog how he’d like to play with a PG who can run a fast break. I wonder if I’ll get a response?
by two4larue on Jun 1, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk is not coming
and I cannot wait until he is traded to wherever so people will stop linking him here. He is only good D’ing wing players, as stated by the Bulls SBN blog, and not PGs as he is not that much of an athlete and could not keep up with any of the quick PGs in the league.
At the base of any great defender is athleticism, which Bayless has in spades. The second component is the willingness to defend and knowing Nate, Bayless will have to have that in order to see ANY PT, but I do not worry about Bayless’ desire to get better and to do what he needs to do. Team D comes witih playing with your teammates and knowing where they will be in certain circumstances. Most rookies struggle with team D off the bat as they go from being great athletes in college to being just another guy in the NBA and have to adjust to the increased speed and size of the new players.
If anything Bayless would be an absolute lockdown D’er if he were playing in the 80’s, but with college allowing much more contact than the pros, he is still playing too physical D. If he could handcheck and be physical we would dominate the league and have the best D in the league.
P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E is what we need and whether some people like it or not Bayless is going to get 20+ mins next season, like it or not.
I cant wait until Kirk goes to Minny, so we can stop this incessant bellyaching about him.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 1, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heinrich is much more profeicient
at running a half court offense & knowing when to shoot/when to attack. Bayless has no clue how to do either.
Bayless is not near Heinrich’s level on D either.
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 1, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be much more comfortable
with “P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E” if we had someone like Billups or even Heinrich running the point till he is ready. In terms of being able to win championships. Relying on Bayless to be our savior at the 1 is down right crazy.
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 1, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This quote from KP
"what I consider to be a really amazing talent or great kid might be someone else’s garbage"
would seem to apply, here
by two4larue on Jun 1, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to see Bayless
Live up to the draft hype
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 2, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he has something to prove
All the teams that Passed on Bayless will be regreting they passed on him, that is his motivation.
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jun 2, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If KP is serious about Bayless as our "PG Of the Future"
Kidd should be our PG of the now & Bayless’s mentor.
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 2, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question: Given Bayless stregths are based on speed, strength, and athleticism...
….if we are going to bring in a vet to groom him, wouldn’t it make sense to bring in someone whose strengths are similar?
Makes me wonder about Andre Miller. Excellent penetrator, decent although slowing defender. I am not super familiar with his game, and I know that some have expressed concerns about his affect on chemistry, but I am just asking for feedback.
Kidd has a very different game. He no longer shoots at all. That doesn’t seem like the perfect fir for Bayless who needs to learn to use the threat of his scoring ability to create for teammates and needs to learn when to try to score and when to pass.
by upper left corner on Jun 4, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah as a 7 year vet and nearly
exhausting his athleticism in the process, he should be, but he is at his best now and that is not a lot.
No one would make an argument against that comparing a rookie to a 7 year vet.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 2, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is only good D’ing wing players, as stated by the Bulls SBN blog, and not PGs as he is not that much of an athlete and could not keep up with any of the quick PGs in the league.
Kirk has pretty ridiculous stats guarding point guards.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 1, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless will not be ready this year, and probably not the next, at least in championship capacity. Why not bring a vet in, like Hinrich, to show him the ropes for a few years?
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 1, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heinrich
Would be good for Bayless to compete against in practice, real good.
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 1, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Provide some then please! I always saw him guarding non point guards and bigger players, as Rose or Gordon, much smaller guards had to guard the point.
by mballer225 on Jun 1, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only +.04 against PG's(PER)
-.03 against SG’s(PER)
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 2, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had floor times stats of 103.7 (off) to 93.5 (def) at point guard, better than his shooting guard numbers.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 2, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
As per “your friendly BullsBlogger” from Blog-a-Bull:
Not sure Hinrich should be touted here as a top-5 defensive PG, but I won’t go through the rankings. The reality is that he is a good defensive player, and more importantly he cares to be, and is smart about it. That puts him ahead of a ton of guards (and most of the Bulls under VDN).
But in terms of actual performance, Kirk really excels at a type of defense, Scotter at BaB pointed this out a while ago, and I think it’s apt:
Hinrich’s defensive reputation is greater than his true performance and abilities. Hinrich often gets labeled a shut down defender when he isn’t anything of the kind. He’s especially good at one kind of defense. Pestering high usage scorers like Wade over a long time. He doesn’t stop Wade, he just annoys him and drags down his efficiency a bit. That’s Hinrich’s defensive skill. Same thing with Raja Bell who get a lot credit for simply annoying Kobe, while Kobe was lighting him up.
And like a superstar wing, similarly if you match Hinrich up with a small fast guard he will get lit up. Though he will put forth an effort…which as I said does count for a lot. Ironically one guy I could see Hinrich do better against than most is Brandon Roy.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 2, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw that and answered him. I'm just not sure any point guard can "shut down" his opponent anymore.
Who do you put ahead of Hinrich as a defender. Even if you just focus on point guard vs. point guard (one of Hinrich’s positive points would be that he can guard shooting guards and small small forwards, too, which e.g. Blake and Sergio can’t).
Rondo is probably ahead of him. Westbrook. Kidd, but only against the slower players (still managed a -5 on/off which is very strong). Paul, but more for his stealing ability than lock-down defense. Parker in bursts. There are just not that many point guards who are amazing defenders.
by Norsktroll on Jun 2, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what
in a certain way, PG D is an oxymoron. I would put Rondo at the top of the list because he is laterally quick and most importantly shows that he WANTS to play D which is 3/4ths the battle.
In addition, why is Rondo viewed as a good D’er? because the opposing PGs do not get to the hoop for open layups? Well that has more to do with the overall team D the C’s play. Rondo does get beat, but Perkins or KG are there to cut off the driver and here is where we are lacking, that 3rd defender rotates to cover Perkins or KGs man, leaving the PG stuck in the middle of the lane and no outlet until Rondo can recover. That is what Nate speaks about when he says “connected.”
In addition here is an interesting piece on Paul and his D
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-199/When-Chris-Paul-Plays-Defense.html
Various points and counterpoints come and go with comments on Pauls D, but in the end I find this comment most apt
on what Paul brings to the D:
“Non-stop effort, smarts, and playing within the scheme.”
THAT is all you can really do at the PG position and as long as everyone is playing in the scheme everyone looks good.
You have to minimize the amount of D that each individual player has to do and the thing about the PG position is that they are out there on an island and with the opposing PG handles the ball 80% of the time you just see when they get burnt more often than other positions so it looks the worst when they get beat but it is actually more of a problem with team D rather than the PG.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Jun 2, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Team defense stops penetration, it’s not all Blake’s fault (etc) when he gets beat
But Hinrich or Kidd could improve the team defense. They can communicate to the younger players what it takes to be good team defenders and hold them accountable when they don’t seal off penetration
Przybilla does this already (chews out his teammates for missed rotations) but Joel could use some help. A little less “Outlaw” and a little more BBIQ (Hinrich/Kidd) could go a long way to lowering those opponent FG% stats
by two4larue on Jun 2, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so his impressions > the statistical data?
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 2, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SBN bloggers
are always the best sources for NBA scouting analysis. It’s accepted gospel that Morey makes his decisions based on whatever thedreamshake writer’s latest post says and that Dave is the de facto Blazers GM, not that figurehead KP.
No offense, of course, Dave, I love your stuff and swear by your writing and analysis, I’d just never think of anything on SBN as a be all/end all.
by Royster on Jun 2, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More people thinking BRoy is slow
untill they see their best defender get smoked by him
- Neil
by Blazin'aTrail on Jun 2, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Blake/Heinrich/Bayless is too crowded
And I’ll take Bayless’s potential over Heinrich’s slightly-better-than-mediocrity.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jun 2, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to nitpick spelling, but I noticed something interesting with the way people are spelling Kirk's name
Those that seem to be for Hinrich spell it Hinrich. Those against getting Heinrich, spell it Heinrich. Again, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with the spelling, but I find it interesting that the spelling’s partitioning like that. If there’s a doctoral student in psychology around, this could be an interesting study on us all.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Jun 2, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simple
The only way someone wouldn’t want Hinrich over Blake is if they know nothing about him. These people cannot even spell his name properly, thus why they don’t see the improvement he would bring.
by Zaig on Jun 2, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one never said he wasn't better
Just not 6 million $ better,I think we can do better!
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 2, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ja, gut point.
Everybody spells it differently. Even Heinrich Himmlerhimself
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 2, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ach, ich habe der wrong button geklickt
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 2, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem isn't KP it's Nate
He’s inept at adjusting to his players strengths, especially at point guard.
by as11osu on Jun 2, 2009 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have qualms with both Kevin Pritchard and Nate McMillan, although that's neither here nor there.
With McMillan, though, my main fear isn’t how he handles point guards — because I sort of agree with him about what their roles should be on the court — but rather pivotmen. Throughout McMillan’s head coaching career, he’s proven himself unable to effectively running the pick-and-roll — both on offense and defense — which is a huge problem. That, of course, is why I really want Jeff Van Gundy to coach the Portland Trail Blazers.
Unlike McMillan, Van Gundy knows that the pick-and-roll should be the staple of a successful offense — with efficient three-point shooting from the outside coming in second — while a true center should almost always stay at home defensively when guarding the play on the other end.
Now, apropos of Pritchard, one well-known deficiency of his is the “fallen angel” syndrome. For some reason, Prichard enjoys giving overhyped projects like Channing Frye and Ike Diogu second chances; plus, he doesn’t like parting ways with busts such as Jerryd Bayless.
Allegedly, Pritchard also doesn’t fully grasp the importance of interior play — which is supposedly the case due to his desire to draft Kevin Durant over Oden — which is a massive flaw in his style of player evaluation. Now, I can’t prove whether or not Pritchard wanted to draft a defensively inept, disgustingly overrated wing player like Durant in lieu of Oden; yet, if ultimately found to be true, those are grounds for termination in my book.
by AK1984 on Jun 2, 2009 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have said it before
but it bears repeating
A bit early to call Bayless a bust.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jun 2, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AK1984 I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not
I know you like to voice you’re criticisms and I like that but I just can’t determine your tone after reading this twice. From my perspective, Nate loves to run the pick and roll and makes that the bread and butter of our offfense. However our player are not always effective at implementing those P&R. This could easily be a criticism of how Nate coaches the P&R or of how the players execute. I can’t tell which side your beef is with.
As for the KP and his desire to draft Durant, are you implying that KP should be fired for even considering drafting Durant. I know I’d want him fired if he didn’t honestly look at all options for that pick. I’m happy with his choice though. I think both Frye and Ike were low risk/medium reward options. They didn’t cost us much, we had them for sufficient time to evaluate them as role players, and neither is a good fit for this team. Nothing ventured nothing gained. I love Frye as a person, but without the minutes his talent is wasted. He’d be a good fit with many teams including ours if he weren’t stuck behind Lma. But he won’t be a good bench player until much later in his career as he needs more mintues. The same was also true for Ike.
by NWfan on Jun 2, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, I can’t prove whether or not Pritchard wanted to draft a defensively inept, disgustingly overrated wing player like Durant in lieu of Oden; yet, if ultimately found to be true, those are grounds for termination in my book.
Can you provide a link to any credible source that says KP wanted to take Durant over Oden?
I’m trying to understand why you’re under the impression that was KP’s intent.
by Timmay! on Jun 2, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used qualifiers in my comment to indicate that I'm not sure one way or the other, but let ...
me go ahead and see if I can find any reports that back my allegations.
…
All right, I got it.
“‘That was as impressive a workout [by Kevin Durant] as any I’ve seen in here,’ Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard said.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003759084_webdurant22.html
Well, that’s not exactly the smoking gun I had recalled it to be in the past; thus, I may’ve been a bit harsh in this case.
by AK1984 on Jun 2, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... KP's always going to say great stuff about people he interviews
He plays things pretty close to the vest. He liked the marketing of Oden vs Durant for the buzz in Portland, and there was no chance he’d say anything other than accolades after working Durant out.
You’re right, in retrospect it’s not a smoking gun.
I think KP planned to get Oden as soon as he looked down and realized the number combination was Portland’s. But he knew that Oden vs. Durant would be good marketing… and it didn’t hurt to bring them both in, in case he was wrong.
by Timmay! on Jun 2, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The KP quote I remember
“Kevin Durant will win a scoring title, someday
But Greg Oden will win championships"
by two4larue on Jun 2, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember that too
He let it slip out, you could tell. He later on would say he thought BOTH would win championships one day, as a cover.
Hee hee.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jun 2, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that KP considered taking Durant....
I am too lazy to look up the quote, but someone asked him after the fact if it was an easy decision, and his response was “go watch the first half of the Texas vs Kansas game and tell me its an easy decision”. Not exactly a smoking gun either, but I did always love that quote for some reason…
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jun 2, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Rabble rabble rabble"
- South Park townspeople
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by hobobob on Jun 2, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, at least now he is vehemently defending the Oden pick
He always points out Greg’s good PER and rebounding in any interview I have heard. And how he believes with less foul trouble he will be a dominant player and help the Blazers a lot. I suppose his strategy for team building is more traditional than some believe.
by Norsktroll on Jun 2, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, those are all positive things.
Kevin Pritchard deserves kudos for being a traditionalist.
by AK1984 on Jun 2, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From everthing I have read
about KP, nothing you said about him is true.
one well-known deficiency of his is the "fallen angel" syndrome
Huh? Channing Frye and Ike Diogu are 12th men, on rookie deals. Those are good chances to take, much better than giving the MLE for a 12th man like many GM’s do.
plus, he doesn’t like parting ways with busts such as Jerryd Bayless
Bayless is a rookie, playing less than 15 mins a game, in less than 55 games. When he got time he played well, like during Steve Blake’s injury time out. Calling him a bust is premature, and trading him for scrap when he has value in a league that values potential talent on rookie deals is crazy. If a trade was offered that included Bayless but made the Blazers a better team, I don’t believe KP would have a problem pulling the trigger. By many accounts, the Blazers stood pat at the trade deadline because the offers they were getting from teams for RLEC were garbage.
Allegedly, Pritchard also doesn’t fully grasp the importance of interior play — which is supposedly the case due to his desire to draft Kevin Durant over Oden
Who “alleged” this? Everything that I have read has been people towing the company line about Greg being the “right” choice for this team.
Personally I think KP is the right man for this job, and is doing about as well as he can. Him losing a couple of cheap gambles on players like Frye or Diogu mean nothing, when he hits home runs on Roy, LMA, Rudy, Batum, and Oden.
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by usmcr3049 on Jun 2, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe we should hire Wally Walker to replace KP
Then we could have those great big men Nate had in Seattle to run that Pick&Roll
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 2, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate McMillan didn't see eye to eye with Wally Walker, either.
I, by the way, detest Walker with a fervent passion, for he ruined the Seattle SuperSonics from a personnel standpoint and also helped Howard Schultz run the once storied franchise deep into the ground.
The only head coach Walker got along with in Seattle was Paul Westphal, who was an abject failure in the Emerald City.
by AK1984 on Jun 2, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew how you felt about Wally. That's why I was messin with you.
I on the other hand like KP & even Nate although I think he needs to take a Tech now & then for the team. Haqve faith that Oden & LA will do better then Swift & Collison etc. etc etc
by We-B-Dunkin on Jun 2, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feeling controversial today?
I especially liked
“Allegedly, Pritchard also doesn’t fully grasp the importance of interior play — which is supposedly the case due to his desire to draft Kevin Durant over Oden.”
So funny. While I appreciate your case for taking Oden over Durant, I can’t see how this can be anything other than sarcasm. He took Oden. Kind of End. Of. Story. material.
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by hobobob on Jun 2, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you haven't lost your self confidence
Man AK, your view of your own powers of evaluation never ceases to amaze me:
Complaints about Nate and KP; calling Bayless a “bust”, etc, etc.
At what point are you willing to consider that maybe the guys who have taken the 21 win team to 54 wins might know something? At what point do you acknowledge that maybe Nate wouldn’t have been selected to coordinate defense for Team USA if he were as lousy as you suggest.
You love Van Gundy, but his career record is about .520 and his record in the playoffs is exactly .500; the definition of mediocre.
Seriously, I am not trying to flame you. Everyone here has opinions and a right to express them. I just find it amazing that you are so confident that yours are better than the professionals.
I’m just a fan, and happy to admit that I don’t know everything.
by upper left corner on Jun 4, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody notice Rice's comment about Nic doing well in France?
And then he said he couldn’t talk about it — been sworn to secrecy until some later time. And MB said well there’s the internet …
But, dang, I pride myself — wrongly it turns out — on being able to find stuff online but I can’t turn up anything about his games. I find interviews with Nic and stories about his experiences in the NBA, but otherwise nothing.
Anybody have any better info?
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 1, 2009 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean I've been searching the French media.
"Just kidding"
by CatMan2 on Jun 1, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried, but it's hard because
I don’t speak French.
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by hobobob on Jun 2, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did the same thing. Meh. Can’t find anything.
proud hinrichsheeple
by Cablinasian on Jun 1, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you searching in
French?
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Jun 2, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he heard something from Mike Born?
he’s supposed to be over there for the Reebok thingy
by two4larue on Jun 1, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's next weekend. And Nic is not on the special guests list.
Bill Bayno will be there as a coach, as will Born, KP, and Buchanan.
by Norsktroll on Jun 2, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Philippi then
Rice has his souces
(…or maybe the terra-cotta Confucious whispered it in his ear?)
by two4larue on Jun 2, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would that be a secret????
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 2, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was a French National team scrimmage or something?
It could have been a “non-game” game … maybe he locked up Tony Parker and dunked on Diaw in a pick up game?
by nikolokolus on Jun 2, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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