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A plan for the Future.

The future, we are all thinking about it right now, what does it hold, who will the Blazers sign as a free agent, who will they trade, if anyone, and what can we expect from this team not just next year, but for the next few years.  I have no doubt Kevin Pritchard and his team has a plan, but as fans we only see bits and pieces of it, so we are left to our own speculation.  Many have already started to write fan posts about who they think this team should acquire, and the names range from Kobe to no one.  But what I am going to propose here, is a fully thought out plan, weeks in the making, that includes all draft picks, free agent signings, extensions for players, renouncing of rights to other players, salary cap implications, and basically everything I feel that KP and his team would have to discuss and address in the near future. Needless to say, if you’re not ready for a read, try again later, if you are then go grab a cup of joe, you could be here awhile.

 

I. Salary cap for the 2009/2010 season

            Before we go any further, we need to assess the team’s salary cap situation, as it will effect every decision that is made from this point. For this post, I am going to use an assumed salary cap for next season, the number I have chosen is $57.3 million.  I chose this number because it seems to be the most quoted by NBA writers when talking about projecting next years cap. The luxury tax has always been between $12-13 million more than the salary cap, the actual number is determined by an insane formula that I can’t go into, because I really don’t understand it, but if you would like to read about it, you can at, http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q16.  If we use the higher end of the assumed amount, ($13 million) that would put the luxury tax threshold at $70.3 million.

            The Blazers have committed $50,567,802 in payroll next season, (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/portland.htm) This was caused in part because of the Zach Randolph trade which returned Steven Francis, who was bought out, and whose contract of over $17 million comes off the books. Because Steve was bought out, the Blazers have no rights to him, unlike some other players who the team will have to make a decision on, such as Raef LaFrentz.  The Blazers have just under $6.8 million in salary cap space this summer and about a total of $20 million before they would go over the luxury tax threshold. To run a profitable team, the Blazers will have to stay below the tax cap, so for this post we will not be going over the threshold like the team did in the past.

 

II. Player decisions for the season ending in 2009.

The first decisions to make this summer have to do with players, the draft is fast approaching, and the team is bring in players for pre-draft workouts already. But before we get to the draft, a few other decisions need to be made. First of all there are 3 players on the team whose contracts are up; they are Mr. Ruffin, Mr. Randolph, and Mr. LaFrentz. All three players should be let go this offseason, only Shavlik can still play in the NBA, but unfortunately it will not be with the Blazers.  Saying goodbye to these players still does not give the team uses of its full cap number, there are still harder decisions to make.

The only restricted free agent Portland has is Channing Frye. The team must do one of 4 things with Frye, sign him to an extension, renounce his rights, sign him to the qualifying offer, or let him sign an offer sheet with another team. The team could also trade him to another team after resigning him if they choose.  However I don’t see that happening, what I do believe will happen is the team will either renounce his rights, (2nd option) or let him sign an offer sheet, and if it is really low they might match it, but the most likely outcome would be the Blazers letting him walk for nothing. Because he is a RFA he can’t be used in trades before the draft or even during it. The team would have to wait almost a month after the draft before they could resign him and trade him. These types of trades rarely happen, so for this plan he will be renounced to make his qualifying deal come off the cap and give the Blazers their full $7 million to use this summer.

The next decision to be made is pretty easy, both Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge need to be resigned. First is Brandon Roy, he is the face of the franchise, and its unquestioned leader. For those skills and for his obvious skills on the court he will be offered a max contract extension. The exact numbers won’t be known because of how a max deal is determined, but we can get pretty close. The only question I can see is if Roy wants the full 5 year extension or not. Many of us might assume he would, but with a new CBA coming soon he might see an advantage to not signing for the full 5 years. My opinion is that in the next CBA player salaries stand more of a chance of being reduced than increased, so Roy would be well served to sign for the max he can get now, for as long as he can get now.  This is why both LBJ and Wade signed only 3 year deals, which end next summer. They will be able to sign long term extensions under the current CBA, so even if player salaries are reduced it won’t affect them until 6 years down the road. It was a very smart, forward thinking plan by them and their agents.

A 5 year max contract for Roy is going to be in the $88 million dollar range. Max contracts for a player with Roy’s experience start at 25% of the salary cap in which the extension takes affect. Roy’s extension would take affect in 2010/2011, but I am using the cap figure we discussed earlier of $57.3 million, because predicting two years out is crazy. It is safe to say that Roy’s extension will top $80 for 5 years easily, and depending on the cap it might even top $90 million.

For LaMarcus, a max deal has been talked about, and his agent will surely ask or even demand one, but I don’t believe Aldridge has earned one. I would be willing to give him a bit more based on the potential the team sees in him, but a max deal would seem to be out of line with his production.  Other players of his caliber, (potential all-star, or borderline all-star, even some multi-time all-stars) are not making the max or even close. A few players I would compare Aldridge to are; David West, Josh Smith, Luol Deng, Mo Williams, Josh Howard, Nene, Tayshaun Prince, Baron Davis, Al Jefferson, Hedo Turkoglu, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, and Antawn Jamison. None of these players are on max deals, and many are more accomplished than LaMarcus. The most common to him is David West in my opinion. West has been an all-star twice, (2008, 2009) and he signed a 5 year $45 million contract in 2007-2008, the same year he made his first all-star game.

The contract I would offer LaMarcus would be 5 years for $50 million, (the max I would offer him this offseason would be 5 years $60 million) and I think he would accept that. If he believes strongly enough to turn it down I would let him play this year out and go into restricted free agency next summer. If he improves his game next year and becomes an all-star then the team could offer a bit more, if he makes a leap like Roy did this year, then a max deal could be considered. If I were KP, I would not be afraid to let LaMarcus go into RFA, because the Blazers can still match anything he is offered even next summer, even with many teams having cap space. I can’t see any team offering him a max deal based on his potential if his production remains what it was this last season.

 

 

III. Trades and Free Agents

The first trade I would make would involve the draft, if New York doesn’t get a top 3 pick, I would offer them Sergio and our 1st rounder for their 1st round pick. I think their pick is #8 and should get the Blazers the chance to draft a decent banger for practice. The trade is more about setting Sergio free and freeing up back up point minutes for Bayless. Sergio is not a long term fit with the Blazers, but Bayless could be, and we won’t see that until he is given some responsibility.  And for Sergio, New York would be perfect for him, if he can’t succeed there, he would have to go back to Spain. This can only happen if New York has a trade exception, which I think they do, Sergio’s contract is very small, only $ 1,892,035, so I think their exception covers that.  As for our salary cap, the cap number for the pick the Blazers will send New York is $933,500, for a total of about $2.8 million off the Blazer cap number.   That is about $400K more than the pick we will get from New York, giving the Blazers about $400K more cap space for a total of about $7.1 million.

The second trade I would make would be with the Bulls for Kirk Hinrich. I know some don’t think he is much of an upgrade to Blake, but I think you might be surprised by what Captain Kirk brings to the table. Here is a quick highlight video of him against the pistons during the playoffs 2 years ago, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhU5-VHUCxw&feature=related. As you can see, Kirk is able to penetrate and kick, drive, pull up, and knock down the mid range jumper, and go to the hole strong, all things Blake is unable to do. He is also a very good defender, spot up 3 point shooter, and foul shooter.  He has playoff experience, more than any other Blazer I believe, and his contract is not that bad. He is signed through 2011-2012; his salary for next season is $9.5 million, $9 million in 2010-2011, and $8 million in the final year. For a starting point guard that is pretty normal.

To make this trade happen, the Bulls will need at least a back up pg, and someone else who can help them. Lucky for the Blazers they have two perfect players for them, Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw. Steve is obviously a very capable back up point, which should help Rose learn the ropes. Outlaw will help provide the Bulls the scoring off the bench, which they will lose a big chunk of that when Ben Gordon leaves via unrestricted free agency. If you recall Gordon turned down $50 million from the Bulls last summer, and with his performance in the first round this year, I can see one of the few teams with cap space this summer giving him a good offer and the Bulls don’t have any way to stop it.  Steve and Travis’s deals add up to between $8.25 and $8.93 million, depending on which salary info site you look at. The Blazers can eat the difference because of their cap space, making the deal work for both teams. This would leave the Blazers about $6.5 million in cap space to sign free agents with.

For a good free agent list, Oregonlive.com has put this up, http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/05/nba_free_agents_2009_and_2010.html. I believe after these trades, the Blazers will need to look to free agency and the draft to fill their remaining needs. The team is solid at PG, SG, SF and C, only back up PF needs to be upgraded. With a very specific skill set require I went looking, and after looking at all the possibilities, I have come up with the following targeted names; Chris, “Birdman” Anderson, Leon Powe, Joe Smith, Brandon Bass, Walter Hermann, David Lee, and Anderson Varejao.  Each has their strengths and weaknesses, and I was going to break each one down for you, but this is already too long, so I will just say a few things about each to explain why I did or did not chose to pursue them as free agents.

 

 

Birdman – Anderson is an unrestricted free agent and he is only 30 years old. He is a good defender, a great shot blocker, and a good finisher. Outside of the basket area he has no offensive game, is a 63% FT shooter and a good rebounder. With Joel on the second unit already, I feel the Birdman will duplicate what is already there, so I chose to go after someone else.

Brandon Bass – Bass is 6-8, 250lbs, and only 24 years old. He is young, and would fit with this team’s time table, but he won’t bring much playoff experience to the team. He is a good jump shooter and a good rebounder, 80% ft shooter, and gets most of his points driving against bigger power forwards. I don’t see Dallas letting him go, Cuban can spend more to keep him than we can to get him, and at the price we would offer him Cuban would easily match.

Walter Hermann – 29years old, 6-9 225. Hermann is more of a 3 than a 4, a good shooter, but not a great rebounder for a PF. So he is off the list.

David Lee – 26years old, 6-9 240. Lee is a great finisher, great rebounder, 80% ft shooter, but not a good defender. New York is way over the projected cap with $76 million already committed next year, but I can’t see them letting him go, after all their payroll this year was $98 million, so they are not afraid to pay the luxury tax.

Anderson Varejao – 26years old, 6-11, 260lbs. Great defender, rebounder, very good against the pick and roll on defense. Not a good FT shooter, at 58%, draws lots of offensive fouls, one of the best floppers in the game. I feel Anderson would also duplicate what Joel brings to the second unit, and any offense he gets is because of the attention paid to LBJ. Meaning his production would fall off greatly if brought to Portland.

Joe Smith – 33 years old 6-10 250, Is a good jump shooter, doesn’t turn the ball over, and is a good rebounder. Shoots 70% from the line, defends well, and draws lots of charges. Has plenty of experience in the playoffs. Smith would be a good pick up if we couldn’t get…

Leon Powe – 25 years old, 6-8 240lbs. Good offensive game for a back up PF, can shoot out to 15 feet, but makes his money in the paint. Plays under the rim, but like Zach Randolph, has a nose for the ball and tips lots of offensive rebounds in for points. He is an ok defender; he hustles and gives lots of effort, draws charges well, and shoots 70% from the line.  Boston does have his bird rights, so they can pay him more than anyone else; however they are already over the luxury tax line next season with $73 million committed. This could be the one area where Channing Frye might be used in a trade, as he would be cheaper than Powe for the Celtics, while still providing some offense off the bench.  Stats: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3023. PER: 17.25, 17mpg, 8ppg, 5rpg, 53%fg, 70%FT.

For the sake of argument lets say Boston doesn’t match Portland’s offer and the Blazers sign Powe to a 4 year deal for $30.4 million. It would cost the Blazers their full cap number of $6.5 million this summer, but it would complete their 10 man rotation. The Mid level for the year is about $5.8 million, so it is more than any other team that is over the cap can offer, and it is enough to make Boston think hard before matching, because it would cost them double, almost $60 million, and Powe is not worth that, not even to the Celtics, who could sign someone like Frye to a one year deal for under $4 million, and be out only $8 million. 

 

 

**UPDATE** May 5th 2009News: Powe underwent successful surgery to repair a micro facture and torn ligaments in his left knee on Tuesday, the Associated Press reports.”**

 

 

This makes signing Powe very risky. My guess is he will resign with Boston now for cheap, leaving the Blazers to fall back on a player like Joe Smith. I would still contact Powe and try to sign him, (for much less of course) to a 3 or 4 year deal. He won’t be very good next year, but he is young and should heal well, so come 2010-2011 he should be back to 100%. For this fan post I am going to project the Blazers signing both Powe and Joe Smith, Smith for a 1 year deal that is a little above the vet minimum, and Powe for a 3 year deal for a total of $10 million. Both bring post season experience, and the right skill set to be successful as a back up PF on the Blazers.

To fill out the roster, and in light of Powe’s injury, I would convince Joel Freeland to come over and compete for the back up PF spot with Smith, and provide depth at the position.  The team would also sign at least 2 of its draft picks from the 2009 draft, a 1st round pick, (#8, from New York) and one of their 2nd round picks. With the number 8 pick, I would choose DeJuan Blair, PF 6-7 265lbs. He is short, but he is a good rebounder, and this team could use all the big men it can get in case Powe doesn’t come back strong, and Smith gets hurt or can’t be convinced to sign with Portland instead of retiring.  I would also pick Darren Collison with the team’s first 2nd round pick, #32 over all, and sign him to a 2 year deal, with the 2nd year being unguaranteed. These signings would fill out the roster, and give valuable back up options incase of injury or just for practice. It would also leave the Blazers with 14 players leaving the 15th spot open like KP likes to do. 

 

 

2009-2010 Roster – salary

1. Brandon Roy - $3,910,816

2. LaMarcus Aldridge – 5,844,826

3. Greg Oden – 5,361,240

4. Kirk Hinrich – 9,500,000

5. Jerryd Bayless – 2,143,080

6. Rudy Fernandez – 1,165,320

7. Martel Webster – 4,344,000

8. Nicolas Batum – 1,118,760

9. Leon Powe – 3,000,000

10. Joel Przybilla – 6,857,725

11. Joel Freeland – 824,200

12. Joe Smith – 1,500,000

13. DeJuan Blair – 2,483,280

14. Darren Collision – 442,114

(Darius Miles) – 9,000,000

Total Team salaries: $57,495,361

 

So as you can see, this plan keeps the Blazers in a position to add even more players via the mid-level exception or bi-annual exception during the season if the need arises. It also provides flexibility for in season trades should they need to happen, it provides balance to the roster, with 3 point guards, 5 wings, and 6 bigs to bang down low. What this plan also does is set this team up for the future, by buying low on some talent that might prove to be extremely valuable; the Blazers salary cap situation won’t get out of control, leaving them plenty of options in the years to come. To demonstrate that point I have calculated the team’s salary cap number for the 2010-2011 season as follows: $63,618,084, which is before next years draft picks and after Roy’s and LaMarcus’s extensions kick in. With the luxury tax threshold at $70 million or more the Blazers should have plenty of wiggle room next season. After that will be Greg’s extension year, and that is too far ahead to predict, it will all depend on his play. Przybilla’s contract will also run out at that point, with him being 32 at that point he may or may not be resigned, much of that decision depends on Greg’s play as well. But no matter which decision is made, this plan sets up the team to take advantage and not be prevented from making a move because of the salary cap or luxury tax.

 

IV. Coaching decisions

The first thing to do is re-open talks with Coach Nate about a contract extension. Nate may not be the coach to get this team to a championship, but he is the right coach to bring them to a point where they need to be for that coach to come in.  Most teams don’t build like the Blazers so maybe Nate will be the one, but history says at some point he will be replaced.  Personally I believe he is the right coach and the coach who will bring a championship to Portland. Because of that I would offer him an extension that would make him a top 5 paid coach, with large bonuses or kickers for any finals appearance and championships won.  Nate may decline again this summer, but as a team I feel the Blazers need to let Nate know that they feel he is the man to get the job done here in Portland, and there is no better way to do that then to offer him an extension.

As for Nate’s assistant coaches, I would love to bring in a big man coach to work with not only Greg, but many of the young big men this plan is bringing in.  With Coach Luke’s future up in the air, I think Nate would welcome another coach in to work with the guy, but in the end this decision is left up to Nate.

 

V. Conclusions

Those who made it though all of my thoughts about how to bring a championship to Portland I thank you. But I also ask you to pick apart this plan, because it is only my first observation about what we should do. There are bound to be inconsistencies, and other problems that come up that I didn’t think about. Do we need another wing or is 5 enough? Do we need to bring in a defensive coach to upgrade a defense that was middle of the pack last year? Is there someone else we should take with the #8 pick? Should we even trade Sergio to New York? Can a starting line up of Hinrich, Roy, Batum, Lma, and Oden bring Portland a championship?  I look forward to your thoughts Blazersedge.

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but for one thing. You can’t use the MLE or biannual exception if you start out under the cap. Your cap space is being calculated as follows:

Salaries+cap holds+exceptions = cap figure.

You’re free to renounce any cap holds or exceptions to gain that space back, of course, whether they’re in the form of RFA rights or MLE or trade exceptions, but in order to get under the cap in the first place, we have to renounce these exceptions to begin with, so no MLE for us this summer.

I really loved the idea of Powe before his knee injury. I think Powe likes being in Boston and they’d be willing to pay him more than 3.5 per, though. Still a fan of Birdman and Andy Varejao. Joe Smith would be a solid pickup, too. And obviously Blair would be phenomenal.

Solid writeup overall.

by Royster on May 8, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I see your point

I haven’t read that specifically but it makes sense. In the case of this plan, it would still work, as the Blazers could use mid-level to sign both Smith and Powe, or renounce the exception and sign them out right. Either way it works.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is exactly why I bet the Portland Trail Blazers will NEVER be under the salary cap at any point ...

during the upcoming off-season. It just makes more sense to hang onto Raef LaFrentz’s Bird rights — which could be useful in a sign-and-trade deal, which just isn’t a realistic possibility with Channing Frye — the mid-level exception, and the bi-annual exception rather than renounce all those assets to just get under the salary cap by a slight, relatively insignificant amount.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I responded to this opinion

by AK1984 in another post, but I’ll say it here again, too.

$7 million in cap space is absolutely better than a $5.5 million MLE and a $1.9 million BAE.

You can sign a $6 million player with the cap space, not with the exceptions.

You can make a ‘lopsided’ trade with the cap space, not with the exceptions.

Holding onto Raef’s Bird rights makes sense right up until July 8th, but not afterwards, IMO. If a sign-and-trade hasn’t been worked out by then, then he’ll be renounced without a second thought.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of Reaf...
• Raef LaFrentz, a power forward for the Portland Trail Blazers, has picked up a New York pad. LaFrentz paid $1.7 million for a two-bedroom condo in the Liberty Lofts building on West 64th Street. [Cityfile]

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by jstbeachy on May 8, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reh-heh-heh-eeeelly?!?!

(looking at New Yorks roster)

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

David Lee perhaps???

I’ll take him as our back up PF! :)

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 8, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think lee

wants too much cash to be a back up. Word was he was looking for $10 million per or more.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah, I highly doubt he'd come here. We don't have the money to pay him.

Unless he’s willing to take one of our exceptions, or a sign and trade happens, it’s not gonna work.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 8, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Lee wants to start

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by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's about it,

but like others have said, he has suspicious defense and thinks he’s a starter in this league.

Nothing else excites me.

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

New York is also

Very close to New Jersey. And I hear they have a nice point guard there. Just sayin’…

by teenagemutantninjabayless on May 8, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perfect.

Honestly, I think if the Blazers could somehow add the Birdman + Hinrich we would be looking at a top 5 defensive team next year.

The Birdman is especially amazing because he erases some bad mismatches we saw last year. He’s only guy I can think of who can guard Dirk without it being a problem. He does such a fantastic job on quicker big men, something Pryzbilla and Oden have problems with.

Nice job.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

aren't you afraid

of the Birdman and Joel duplicating the same skill set on the 2nd unit?
For example if we signed Anderson the 2nd unit would be
Bayless
Rudy
Webster
Anderson
Przybilla

That seems a little light on offense, Joel and Anderson are no more than finishers on offense, Rudy can set up people up but for right now he is a shooter, same with Webster. So that would create alot of pressure on Bayless to create for 4 guys, not sure he is up to it. That is why I thought of Powe, someone who you can dump the ball into 5-8 times a game and will give you consistant production. Smith is the same way, accept he works off the pick and pop. Something Bayless or Rudy can run for him. I like a more offensive back up PF for this group. But I wouldn’t cry over getting Anderson, he is a good player.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really.

Bayless, Rudy, and Webster are all offense oriented guys. Plus, I feel like the Birdman is probably a step above Joel in the offense department. Can you imagine all the lobs the Birdman will get from Rudy? You would basically just be taking all of Travis and Channing’s shots and giving them to the other three guys. Ther’s plenty of offense to go around in that second unit.

Also, Aldridge plays with the second unit a lot anyway. Depending on foul trouble or whatever you could just stick Aldridge in there if you thought there was a potential mismatch with the other teams apposing PF. I’m not sure we need that much offense coming from our backup PF for 1those 15-25 minutes a game anyway.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it could work

I agree, my thought was it could work better with a more offensive back up PF than with a player like Anderson.

But like I said above, if we were able to sign the birdman, I would be very happy.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with usmcr... Pryz and Birdman too similar..

Both Pryz and Bird are pivot defenders who block and rebound, neither one of them has a very strong offensive game, not that we need a great offensive player in our back-up front court, but it definitely would be nice to see. Plus, don’t you just think Birdman is a punk…

DaJuan Blair has such a good offensive set of skills to go with strong rebounding, I think that is combination we want and we sacrifice the duplication on the blocking.

by Portland Dynasty on May 8, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not think Birdman is a punk.

He kicked a drug habit and then spent more than two years working himself back into the NBA. Has anyone ever done before?

I have never seen him do anything on the court that I would consider “punkish”. He’s not a dirty player, he gets along with his teammates, he only cares about devensive stats. There aren’t a lot of guys out there with a better on court attitude than the Birdman. Besides his suspension, which is long behind him, and his tattoos, there is nothing about the guy that should lead anyone to think ill of him. He is a class act all the way, a high character guy with an unbelievable work ethic.

He might be the most misunderstood man in the league.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Birdman is a Jerome Kersey

and that’s a need for this team. Someone seriously scrappy.

He and Bayless on the floor together could be scary.

by LicketyBrindle on May 8, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

awwww

Seriously though, if he has better hands then ‘Billa, then Rudy would have no problem creating offense for him, as he already does for Joel. I don’t see how having two shot blockers could somehow be considered a negative, just like Birdman sais, if a little is good, more is better.

I’m not “excited” about him, but I am a big fan of the “douche bag turns decent” story, so that’s something. Besides, while I’m in no particular hurry to go and grab a “less then savory” charactor, I do believe that the roster is closing in on the cohesiveness and singleness of purpose that would allow for assimilation of an prominent role player type. I still think were a season or two off from an “Artest” type or anyone that has the lurking notion that they’re number one material. I would like to see Greg blend more, a little more maturation from him first, before we brought in a top notch talent that’s displays less then stellar decision making skills.

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

awwww, that's sweet <3

Seriously though, if he has better hands then ‘Billa, then Rudy would have no problem creating offense for him, as he already does for Joel. I don’t see how having two shot blockers could somehow be considered a negative, just like Birdman sais, if a little is good, more is better.

I’m not “excited” about him, but I am a big fan of the “douche bag turns decent” story, so that’s something. Besides, while I’m in no particular hurry to go and grab a “less then savory” charactor, I do believe that the roster is closing in on the cohesiveness and singleness of purpose that would allow for assimilation of an prominent role player type. I still think were a season or two off from an “Artest” type or anyone that has the lurking notion that they’re number one material. I would like to see Greg blend more, a little more maturation from him first, before we brought in a top notch talent that’s displays less then stellar decision making skills.

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His routine, his antics, his image, he is a punk wannab-thug...

I am sure he is an alright dude if your his friend, but as a “product” and part of the KP Culture Plan, Birdman is not the type of player that would keep the fringe fans on the band-wagon of this “good-guy” product that they are selling hard…

And now that Ron Ron Artest just got his second toss-out in the same series… man, and I had just joined the “Sign Ron Artest” parade, but now with this behavior, I don’t think he is gonna find his way into the Blazers clubhouse. Kinda bummed about it too. But, we gotta move on from that one now.

by Portland Dynasty on May 8, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Antics"?

“punk wannab-thug”?

Wow, not sure what you are talking about.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The second Artest ejection was bogus

it wasnt even a flagrant, he got ejected because of his past not what he actually did

by blazerbeliever97504 on May 9, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the first ejection

he turned out to be right. I think he has acted extremely mature considering how much K*be has gotten away with when they are battling each other.

UPDATE: NBA says Br*ants elbow did not hit Artest in the throat it was just below the throat and on the higher chest… Give me a break so apparenlty the NBA allows elbows to the higher chest

C*mcast sucks!

by Blazermaniac77 on May 10, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHo cares if it was Bogus...

Artest acts up too often plain and simple. IF Portland had been counting on Ron Artest as a major piece to win a series and he got himself tossed two games in a row (regardless of bogusness) Portland would be ticked. Not devastated just angry that Portland was duped into thinking we would need a guy with Artests history/baggage. SOrry, but we all need to look elsewhere cuz we will likely be diappointed.

by Portland Dynasty on May 12, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weren’t both ejections late in the fourth quarter? Isn’t there some “&*^% this, if we’re going down I’m going to make a statement”-ness wiggle room? I doubt he cost them the game in either example.

It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It

by 12sharks on May 12, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would use Birdman

at PF, behind LMA, and as a second center if GO or Przy get injured or in foul trouble (and both of those things seem to happen).

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on May 8, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, could you imagine 18 fouls at the five spot,

with LMA playing 36 – 40 min. a night, leaving about 6 to 8 for Freeland, and a sliding scale for Birdman, depending on how hard our centers had been fouling that game. That could be like WOW. Whole teams could literally just give up on driving to the hole… entire teams…. afraid…. just giving up……

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a chance

During ‘Birdman’ Anders(E)n’s suspension he lived and worked out in Denver. Guy loves the town and the town love him back. No way in hell he take on a roll in Portland that would offer him NO minutes behind Aldridge, Przybilla, Batuum, and Oden.

Same goes for Joe Smith. At their age they are not looking to sit the bench on a ‘minor’ contender.

by Tagyou'reIt on May 8, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither one

would “sit on the bench” in Portland. The Back up PF spot will easilly get 15-20 mins a game during the season, which is what both players are playing now. And Joe Smith is exactly what this team is looking for, and this team is exactly what Joe smith is looking for. He doesn’t want to play 30 mins a night, he can’t anymore. And neither can the Birdman, he would foul out before then.

Both are prefect for this team in different ways. You might be right about Birdman’s love for Denver though, he seems like a perfect fit there. But Denver has been watching their bottom line very closely, so even that love may not keep him there.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is our 'Great White Hope'

There would be open revolt here in Denver if we let Birdman leave, especially to a division rival. I even think Denver gets a hometown discount.

Like i posted a little farther down you cna have Kleiza back.

by Tagyou'reIt on May 8, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not suprise

the Birdman to Denver must be like Rudy to Portland.

I hope he stays in Denver honestly, if for nothing else then my plan might come true. Plus I like him, and he is about the only guy on Denver’s team i do like, (well I like Billups too i guess).

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I go to Shop-Ko

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing.

Teams might be looking to dump their lower first round picks this year. Instead of Collison wouldn’t it be better to move up a few spots and grab Jrue Holiday? He has a better NBA body, better upside and is arguably a better defender.

Thorpe said that NBA executives have told him they consider Holiday to be the best perimeter defender in the draft. “No one doesn’t need a pass-first guard who can play lock-down defense,” Thorpe said.-LATIMES

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you watch him in the tourney

Lock down is a big overstatement.

Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson
Sign Othello Hunter & DJ Mbenga(Both for big man depth)

by TheGreatDane17 on May 8, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's young.

He blows assignments and makes bad decisions, but with a little consistency (which comes with age) I’m sure he will be a better defender than Collison.

His size also helps, especially in the NBA where I imagine Collison is going to get pushed around a lot.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The cost of adding another First round pick

was too great in my opinion. A 1st rounder is 2 years guaranteed, while a second rounder is nothing unless you sign him to it, plus the 1st second round pick’s salary is almost 1/2 the last 1st picks is. Better value in the 2nd round than then late 1st round to me.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Repost of a "trading up" idea one of which is similar to yours

I have to hear back from the fans of the other team before I know if it makes sense. Both trades only have a remote chance if the other team doesn’t win 1, 2, 3 in the lottery (moves up) but stays where they are.

Idea 1: Sergio, Blazers #24, Blazers #38 (NY that we have, or maybe #32 Clippers), $3M cash for NY #8. They can absorb Sergio with a trade exception (they have 4).

Idea 2: Blazers #24, Blazers #38, $3M cash for Bucks #10 and Malik Allen (1 year 1.7M) or Francisco Elson (1 year 1.3M) who they want to get rid of because it brings them dangerously close to luxury tax and endangers plans to re-sign Sessions and Villanueva (to be absorbed with our cap space or trade exception). We get one more veteran guy for our big man depth (I would prefer Elson), and a nice pick.

Theory is that while this draft is not brilliant in stars there are some nice picks to be had, but not really at our position when Blair, Lawson, Curry, etc. all will be gone.

I have studied the "Gilbert Arenas provision" some more, and I fear that kills my hopes to land 2 year free agents like Bass or Sessions because that stupid thing doesn’t allow you to outbid cash strapped teams. The best you can do is offer the MLE to start and then do a back loaded contract that balloons in later years, but most teams will match that hoping they can find a solution later. So currently I’m thinking more about the draft and lopsided draft day deals again.

by Norsktroll on May 8, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is an answer regarding the Bucks trade up idea
That’s very interesting
I’d say anything that allows us to clear salary has to be on the table, and in this draft moving down 14 spots might not be the biggest deal. I’m not an expert on this crop of talent, but there does seem to be a lack of excitement about the guys in the latter half of the lottery. I imagine the Bucks’ willingness to do this kind of deal comes down to three things:

a) Whether they see a significant gap between 10 and 24
b) Whether they think they can get a contributor from the second round (drafting Mbah a Moute last year might give them added confidence)
c) How confident they are that they can deal Ridnour for either some space or help at another position. In a perfect world they would have dealt him for an expiring deal at the deadline, but now the options for getting an NG’ed guy that they can cut to clear space are obviously much lower.

One issue: I’m pretty sure Elson and Allen don’t have to decide on their player options until the end of June, ie after the draft. So you wouldn’t officially be able to trade them before the draft. I suppose you could do have the Blazers pick for the Bucks and vice versa on the condition that Elson/Allen take their POs and the trade goes through after the moratorium. Still, it’s a bit tricky, and eyeballing it I don’t see them having the dollars to get both CV and Ramon anyway.

Can we just give you Ridnour and #10 for #24 and forget about the cash? This would be predicated on you guys having cap space and then waiting until July to officially make the deal. You’d then have eight point guards, but…

www.BrewHoop.com by Frank Madden on May 8, 2009 10:49 PM PDT

by Norsktroll on May 9, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is a LONG way from being ready

think of an extremely raw bayless…

2 years at least before he gets any run at ALL

by GreatOden'sRaven on May 11, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This seems well reasoned and likely to provoke good discussion...

I’m not sure it belongs around here anymore

formerly fromagnon... I remember back in the day... way back before you young cats were around, back when I ruled the jersey contest... back when it meant something... back when hip-hop was alive

by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes

unlike the days when you couldn’t swing a cat without hitting someone proclaiming Sergio was totally getting screwed over. Or the days before that when any negative comment about Zach Randolph or Sebastian Telfair’s defense was met with accusations of bias or non-fandom. The good old days were much better.

—Dave

by Dave on May 8, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It got too good.

Like Starbucks.

this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to give Greg Oden at Least a Couple of Seasons"

by bforsythe on May 8, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can't make fun of ourselves...

what is left?

formerly fromagnon... I remember back in the day... way back before you young cats were around, back when I ruled the jersey contest... back when it meant something... back when hip-hop was alive

by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Making fun of

TominHawaii is the standard.

by Dave on May 8, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My list ='s you on it

I’ll work out the details later.

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See the whole TiH vs TiR feud has me feeling strangely compassionate for TiH

I have sympathy for my fellow man

formerly fromagnon... I remember back in the day... way back before you young cats were around, back when I ruled the jersey contest... back when it meant something... back when hip-hop was alive

by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love it, and think it's brilliant.

Our very own “well behaved” troll, has his very own not so well behaved pet troll. It’s a beautiful thing.

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughtful post

Promoted to enourage discussion.

—Dave

by Dave on May 8, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I also appreciated

how you asked for reflection and counter-argument. Thank you!

—Dave

by Dave on May 8, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how you padded your post count

by posting 3 times in less than 3 mins!

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just trying to earn cred

so I can become a regular member.

—Dave

by Dave on May 8, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love you Dave

But Timbo could pwn you in nanosecond.

Great post usmcr3049. My only problem with it would be that the Blazers won’t have to trade up much, if at all for Tyler Hansbrough. Sergio will have to find another way to New York. It’s epic in every other way though.

by tominhawaii on May 8, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey dave

later, not latter. Last line first paragraph.

Can’t wait to dig in!!!

by 50backflips on May 8, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool!

But I didn’t write this.

—Dave

by Dave on May 8, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fixed it

Even though I try as hard as I can, proof read even, I can’t get them all!

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, my mind boggles. A great front page post made by a commenter! Nice one USMCR3049

by 50backflips on May 8, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree--nice work usmcr--rec....

What does usmcr3049 mean, anyway? Sounds like a randomly generated password.

I like the whole team.

by RenoBlazerFan on May 8, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it means

USMCR = United States Marine Corps Reserve
3049 = my platoon number in boot

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for laying the Blazer blueprint on the table, usmcr.

I’m with Nick Van Excellent re The Birdman. The Blazers could use some veteran chops, nasty attitude, and tattoo funderment, and The Birdman brings all three in spades.

by MiledAnimal on May 8, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Almost a rec...

But you OBVIOUSLY haven’t been paying attention to my posts (haha)! :)

Steve Blake as a backup point guard, I believe, is just as important to our championship aspirations as who our starting point guard will be. He is not a starting point guard. He lacks the quickness, defense, and the ability to put pressure on the opposing defense. But he has won championships in HS and NCAA. He is tough, smart, and a good decision maker (except for tha ill timed 3 point attempt he made in game four in HOU – one strike).

Brandon Roy says we are competing for a championship now. Hopefully we land a starting PG who can help him. When that point guard is unable to play (needs a rest, foul trouble, injury) I want Steve Blake on the court. Not Jerryd Bayless. Not next year, probably not ever. You would think NBA fans would’ve learned their lessons by now from Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, and Sebastian Telfair. Undersized scoring point guards, while exciting to watch, do not win ANYTHING.

I agree with everything else your post has to offer.

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by bforsythe on May 8, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How is it shortsighted?

A better question may be: How do you know to tell a man keeping Steve Blake is short sighted?

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."

by GonzoFan on May 8, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blake is a pretty good guard right now...

Blake is truly in his prime… and for a guard in his prime he didn’t look very good at all against a mediocre guard crop that Houston brought to us in the playoffs. Blakes game is likely gonna start falling off in two seasons, or at least that is how far I give his skill level and athleticism to continue to be adequate for NBA standards. Two more seasons is barely into this Blazers group window. Portland may be able to get a shot next season, but the year after that (2011) is more realistic and was ultimately the timeline that the architect’s of this team were shooting for.

Blake couldn’t handle Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry or Von Wafer… while in his prime. I know Steve brings lots of good things to the table, but it is short-sighted to think that Blake, a 30-year-old, is gonna be Portlands answer off the bench when he is 32. I think Steve is reasonable to keep around next season as a starter as long as Portland is developing a PG behind him (Jerryd Bayless needs game time/experience to show us what he has). I could see Steve staying with the team past his option for next season, but it would be in the PG3 role and only get spot play. It is just that Blakes’ game is not gonna get better much better than what he gave during this playoff series and it was too little, even IF Steve were playing with a much improved team around him. I like Blake and believe Portland could win 50+ games with him at the helm for two more seasons, but we aren’t looking at being a 50+ win team…. we are looking at being a championship team.

by Portland Dynasty on May 11, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think much more was expected of Greg early on,

which would have opened our window much sooner then your projection, minus the micro-wtf, we coulda been reaching for gold this year, but as it is, 211’s a pretty safe bet. Though I’de venture a guess that we could very easily contend next year.

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by Screen Name on May 11, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard

by lee3022 on May 11, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference between Bayless and

the guards you mentioned, is they were all starting point guards. I don’t think this team can win if Jerryd is the starting point, unless is really develops into more of a pure point. But as you seen in Cleveland with Mo Wiilliams, an offensive point guard, who can drive and dish, or drive and score, really helps a team.

Steve is serviceable, but there are better options, and having a young hungery player like Bayless backing up the point for 20 mins a night will tell us if he has the ability to become that starting point. Otherwise, we have Hinrich and Blake who are both about the same age, and will get old at about the same time, leaving this team short at the PG toward the end of this teams run. I would rather have Hinrich and Bayless, the teacher and the student if you will. Hopefully Bayless can over take him in a few years, and Hinrich will be dealt, and replaced, or he will be a quality back up for the rest of this teams run. It just works out better.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So true.

Hinrich is smart and in my humble opinion would be a better teacher for the young guys.

He is a Captain after all.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rose grew serious when talking about how Kirk Hinrich would text him about play calls and personnel, even when thumb surgery sidelined Hinrich.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 8, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

texting with a bad thumb?

Now there’s a team player – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 11, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is also a Jayhawk!

"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard

by lee3022 on May 11, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Steve Blake a lot.

But this argument makes sense to me. Don’t know if I would want to do it yet, but thank you for presenting this side of the argument for me.

Of all the things that can be expressed in the printed word – love, hate, fear, joy – true humor is the one that is the most difficult of all. Sarcasm, for example, is an art of delicate subtlety. Yet too many people wield it as a bulldozer – loud, smelly, ugly, and destructive – and think they are being funny.

by T Darkstar on May 8, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree completely

See my comment below “Undersizes SG, ……”

by upper left corner on May 9, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless is not undersized for a scoring PG - but like the others, he isn't a PG

If Bayless gets a good outside game going, he will be a great back-up SG, maybe even a starter on a team with size at the point. Think somewhere between Juan Dixon and Ben Gordon. Maybe he’ll even get good enough to start a la Richard Hamilton, but I don’t think his outside shooting will ever get that good.

I know the team is hoping for a Tony Parker or Monta Ellis, but I don’t believe yet.

by hoopla-pdx on May 8, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's already more of a PG than Ellis...

and he actually looks like he’s trying to pass, which in a weird way may have screwed up his offensive game. He doesn’t look comfortable playing the point, but he certainly looks like he knows that he’s supposed to distribute the ball. That’s important because a lot of combo guards just don’t want to pass period.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Decision making.....

If you watch Bayless closely, he is trying to figure out when to try to score and when to try to pass. This “thinking” causes some hesitation and impedes his progress in both areas.

To me, more than anything else, Bayless looks like a guy who is trying too hard. He wants to please, and he wants to succeed. Once he gets more regular minutes, I expect that he will relax and his play will benefit greatly. Dude’s spring is wound wayyyyy tight.

by upper left corner on May 9, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps, but remember...

people used to say all the same things about a young Jermaine O’Neal.

by dbomb on May 11, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec.

It’s playing PG, not rocket science.

Bayless isn’t some dumb jock, he plans on attending law school after his career is over, he’s a bright kid from a family of professionals who value education. He can learn the nuances of playing PG. It’s really not that difficult to run the pick and roll if you have the physical ability, you just need reps. Repetitions are what leads to the ability to make good decisions in an instant, paved neural pathways lead to quick and efficient decisions.

I just don’t understand this whole “Small SG” stuff. I mean, Allen Iverson is not WILLING to be a PG, that’s why he isn’t one. All it takes is coachability and Bayless has showing a willingness to be coachable, he just needs reps.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 9, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "undersized SG" label has been thrown around so much it has become conventional wisdom among a certain subset around here

It is rarely accompanied by any analysis at all. I find it infuriating.

I challenge anyone who uses this line to actually put together a coherent argument to support the label.

by upper left corner on May 9, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is a far more clear likeness in Bayless' game to...

Monta Ellis or Leandro Barbosa (if Bayless could ever shoot), than to any point guard roaming the streets right now. Coherent arguments are few and far between, and getting one on either side of this thing is bound to have holes.

by as11osu on May 9, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chauncey Billups is the I’d compare him to. They said the same things about him when he came into the league and he figured out how to play point.

And Jerryd had Nate to teach him.

by danielfarrell on May 10, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never said that about Bayless, but I do agree with it.
  • The only time he’s had lengthy minutes against NBA players was during Summer League. He proved adept at driving, shooting, and scoring, which is what you’d want from a shooting guard.
  • I wouldn’t say he cannot learn to play the point, but he seems a lot more comfortable shooting and scoring than distributing the ball.
  • NBA shooting guards probably average at least 6’5" and Bayless is 6’3", which would be considered short for that position.

Old-school didn’t differentiate between PG and SG, they were both just guards. I don’t know why any coach would not want both his guards to be able to pass, dribble, shoot, drive, and dish.

by MiledAnimal on May 9, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is that Bayless has all the physical attributes and most of the skill set of a shooting guard

He has the speed, strength, handle, and defensive quickness to be a highly successful PG

What you guys are really questioning is whether he has the “right attitude,” “court vision,” and “decision making skills.”

As I said above, so far we have seen no indication that Bayless is selfish and only wants to score. We have seen no indication that he is uncoachable. We have seen him struggle with decision making, but this primarily seems to be a result of lack of experience. The kid was an honor role student. He isn’t dumb.

The outcome is not guaranteed, but if you take a guy with the right physical attributes the right attitude and a world class work ethic, odds are he is going to figure it out.

Conley struggled at Memphis for a season and a half. Hollins gave him some room, and now everybody is in love with his game. Bayless averaged between 6 and 7 assists per game in HS. It is a sort of Bizzaro world when the guy’s ability to score is seen as evidence that he can’t possibly learn to distribute.

by upper left corner on May 9, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GRRR I meant POINT GUARD in the subject line.

Trying to babysit my grandson and type at the same time.

by upper left corner on May 9, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has not demonstrated excellent court sense

and some pundits believe this is intuitive and not taught. However Mario Chalmers was seen as lacking this as well and started the whole season at PG for Miami (of course having Dwyane Wade to throw the ball to does make him easier assists).

"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard

by lee3022 on May 11, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec. Excellent Breakdown of one way of moving ahead.

I think taking a risk with Leon Powe is well worth it. If he can come back without losing any of his athleticism, he’d be an outstanding role player and a great addition to the second unit. He rebounds well, plays good defense, everything you want your backup PF to do.

I’m still not sold on Hinrich as I don’t see how a 41% career FG shooter with the same passing ability as Blake is going to improve the offense (though the defense upgrade he gives us over Blake is undeniable.) I’d rather see us go after a guy like Mike Bibby or Raymond Felton. Ricky Rubio is still the dream pickup, but we need help in the lottery for that to be possible.

This was still an extremely well thought out post.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 8, 2009 3:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't anyone worried about recent micro-fracture surgery? Doesn't that sound familiar? Powe should not even be discussed.

I am not a micro-fracture surgerologist, but he’s not gonna be ready to play in October, is he?

I like the whole team.

by RenoBlazerFan on May 8, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I don't think he will be ready

at all next year, which is why I also planned to sign Joe Smith, just for next year. After than Powe should be healed to 100% if he is going to be at all.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Powe also tore BOTH ACL's in high school

He was a medical marvel at Cal. He would have been a great fit…. now, NO THANK YOU.

by kobisportsguy on May 9, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so if he is a medical marvel

why wouldnt he come back from this injury sooner and in great shape?

by GreatOden'sRaven on May 11, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My read on knee injuries

is that they compound and after several on the same knee can be crippling early in a career. I like this player and hope he recovers completely.

"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard

by lee3022 on May 11, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

while thats completely logical

Powe has proven time and time again that he is able to recover from what for the rest of us would be life altering injuries to play at a high level. I’m not advocating signing him, but it seems odd to write him off now because he suffered a horrific injury before and came back to be better than ever.

by GreatOden'sRaven on May 12, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, here's my previously posted idea regarding a potential overhaul.

1. Right before the 2009 NBA Draft, trade Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw — who both have non-guaranteed contracts for the 2009-2010 season — as well as the draft rights of Petteri Koponen to the Chicago Bulls for Kirk Hinrich.

2. Select DeJuan Blair in the first-round of the 2009 NBA Draft, even if it costs cash considerations or any of the team’s four second-round draft picks to move up and get him; subsequently, sign Blair to a four-year, rookie scale contract.

3. Select a defensive-minded point guard (e.g., Darren Collison) with the #32 pick and a tall, sharp-shooting combo guard (e.g., Nick Calathes) with the #38 pick, so long as those picks aren’t moved earlier in an attempt to snag Blair; subsequently, sign Collison and Calathes to two-year, minimum-level contracts (i.e., 2009-2010: $457,588 & 2010-2011: $762,195).

4. Don’t tender Channing Frye a one-year, $4,264,760 qualifying offer.

5. Wish Shavlik Randolph well in unrestricted free agency.

6. Usher Michael Ruffin into retirement.

7. After the July moratorium, re-sign Raef LaFrentz to a three-year, $16.65 million contract (i.e., $5.55 annually) — with only the first season including a guaranteed salary — and trade him in conjuction with LaMarcus Aldridge and Rudy Fernandez to the Toronto Raptors for Chris Bosh.

8. Trade Martell Webster, Jerryd Bayless, and Sergio Rodriguez to the Minnesota T’wolves for Mike Miller.

9. Sign Steve Blake — so long as he’s waived by the Chicago Bulls after the Hinrich trade — to a two-year, $4,139,200 contract (i.e., 2009-2010: $1,990,000 & 2010-2011: $2,149,200) with the bi-annual exception.

10. Sign Quinton Ross to a one-year, $1,033,342 contract — which is thie minimum for players with six years of NBA experience — to be a defensive-minded backup for Brandon Roy at shooting guard.

11. Sign Robert Swift and Ime Udoka to one-year, $959,111 contracts — which is the minimum for players with five years of NBA experience — to fill out the bench.

12. Invite Joel Freeland over to the United States and sign him to a four-year, rookie scale contract.

Here’d be that theoretical roster.

C: Greg Oden
C: Joel Przybilla
C: Robert Swift
PF: Chris Bosh
PF: DeJuan Blair
PF: Joel Freeland
SF: Nicolas Batum
SF: Mike Miller
SF: Ime Udoka
SG: Brandon Roy
SG: Quinton Ross
SG: Nick Calathes
PG: Kirk Hinrich
PG: Steve Blake
PG: Darren Collison

That team could win the 2010 NBA Finals.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/30/861162/answers-to-some-questions#15098322

Even if you scratch the trade of LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Fernandez, and Raef LaFrentz’s “zombie contract” — which is a nickname that another poster came up for it a few weeks ago — for Chris Bosh, it’s still an outright solid ballclub right there.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

you had me till #7--why trade half the team away? We're just gettin' started....

How does your overhaul reflect on the cap/luxury tax, assuming the same $70M and change threshold? I mean, after eliminating that silly option #7.

I like the whole team.

by RenoBlazerFan on May 8, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Miller....why?

The starters look good, but that team is bringing basically nothing off the bench. I think the trade for Chris Bosh is unnecessary and you would be getting rid of fan favorite Rudy Fernandez for a minor upgrade at PF. But really, it’s not even an upgrade because we would be giving up more talent that we take back.

I’m more confused as to why we would want to pick up Mike Miller after his worst year in a while. Trading for 30 year old wings who can’t even put up decent numbers on a bad team doesn’t seem like the thing to do with our young talent.

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by Magnum on May 8, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All right, I'll do my best to objectively illuminate the positives of Mike Miller.

1. Miller is under contract through just the 2009-2010 season, with his salary next year at $9,880,937.

2. Miller is an outstanding defensive rebounder and passer for a man at his position — as well as a remarkably efficient shooter — so he brings a variety of skills to the table as a sixth man.

3. Here’s a side-by-side statistical comparison between Miller and Travis Outlaw.

Player Efficiency Rating: Outlaw 15.1 > Miller 13.8 …
Wins Produced Per 48 Minutes: Miller .210 > Outlaw .043
True Shooting Percentage: Miller 58.8% > Outlaw 54.1% …
Effective-Field Goal Percentage on Jump Shots: Miller 52.3% > Outlaw 47.9% …
Fouls Drawn Per Field-Goal Attempt: Outlaw 10.4% > Miller 9.4% …
Total Rebound Percentage: Miller 12.0 > Outlaw 9.1 …
Assist Percentage: Miller 21.6 > Outlaw 6.3 …
Assists to Turnover Ratio: Miller 2.25 > Outlaw 0.88 …
Net On-Court/Off-Court Points Per 100 Possessions: Miller -1.1 > Outlaw -6.2 …
Net Points Allowed Per 100 Possessions: Outlaw +2.0 > Miller +2.3 …
Net Effective Field-Goal Percentage Allowed: Outlaw -1.8% > Miller +1.7%.

Miller wins on 7 out of 11 of those metrics — which is ironic since I once worked at 7-Eleven — and is clearly more versatile than Outlaw on offense. Now, although Miller isn’t a great defender, that can be compensated by signing someone like Ime Udoka to be a one-on-one lockdown wing defender off of the bench.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, Miller is slightly better than Outlaw in 7 of 11 categories...

BUT, Mike Miller is also 5 years older and more than twice as much money…. Then when you look at how MINIMALLY Miller is better than Outlaw, it doesn’t really make sense. I mean, if we are gonna have $9.5M tied up in a player, we might as well pry Luol Deng away from Chicago cuz those fools are down on Deng right now. Deng is younger and provides better D and rebounding than either Miller or Outlaw. But for the money, I’d take Outlaw over Miller, and it wouldn’t cost us anything.

by Portland Dynasty on May 8, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Miller, however, is substantially better at rebound percentage, assist percentage, ...

and assist-to-turnover ratio than Travis Outlaw. Miller’s shooting efficieny is also still a helluva lot higher than that of Outlaw, even though people give the guy way too much flack for deferring to his teammates in Minnesota. Then again, Miller was stuck playing next to a poor backcourt in Randy Foye and Sebastian Telfair; thus, I can’t blame him for wanting to sometimes be the main distributor over those two guys.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Statistics.

Hm. Never heard a coach preach “rebound percentages” i na locker room before. Must be that new math.

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."

by GonzoFan on May 8, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HM! NEVER HEARD A COACH PREACH “REBOUND PERCENTAGES” IN A LOCKER ROOM BEFORE. MUST BE THAT NEW MATH!

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."

by GonzoFan on May 8, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Why?

Is that a law or something?

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It

by 12sharks on May 9, 2009 3:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's also better at growing hair.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can’t coach that.

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."

by GonzoFan on May 8, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s good right? What’s up wit hthis Garces guy. Does he work here?

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."

by GonzoFan on May 9, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always amuses me....

…when people try to justify accepting the deficiencies of one player, in this case Miller’s poor D, by suggesting we get another player (Udoka) who is good in that category and theoretically will make up for it. As if you can utiize only each players’ strengths simultaneously…

by socalblazer on May 8, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Miller

Really? We need to get better at defense and old, not particularly quick jump shooters don’t that cause much. And any offensive improvement needs to come in the form of a guy who can score in the paint within our halfcourt system—as that’s what’s effective in the play offs.

by wepto on May 8, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way too many moves, little brother...

how many times do I need to tell you, less is more… unless we are talking about girlfriends or beer!

by Portland Dynasty on May 8, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So from 54 game winning team to complete overhaul?

seems like trout fishing with dynamite

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by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

If you remove #7 and #10 from my off-season checklist, this'd be the revised roster projection.

C: Greg Oden
C: Joel Przybilla
C: Robert Swift
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
PF: DeJuan Blair
PF: Joel Freeland
SF: Nicolas Batum
SF: Mike Miller
SF: Ime Udoka
SG: Brandon Roy
SG: Rudy Fernandez
SG: Nick Calathes
PG: Kirk Hinrich
PG: Steve Blake
PG: Darren Collison

How does that fit everyone’s tastes?

Also, if Joel Freeland decides to stay overseas than re-signing Shavlik Randolph would be a decent counter move. Another possibility in that case would be to use one of the two late second-round picks on a potential third-string power forward like Taj Gibson, Josh Heytvelt, or Jeff Pendergraph.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your still replacing 8 out of 15 players

if my math is correct, and I like to think it is, that’s over half the roster

Still seems like overkill for a very good, VERY young team

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by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a good point also

I think we can’t be afraid to make moves, (in the main post, I have added 6 new players to the team, but only 2 current rotation players were moved) but the moves have to make sense. I don’t see the Miller move, or the swift move making sense.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Portland Trail Blazers desperately need a third-string pivotman, with Robert Swift ...

being someone who could be that guy at a cheap, cost-effective rate. Due to the injury and foul prone nature of centers, I won’t tolerate another year of softies (e.g., Channing Frye), busts (e.g., Ike Diogu), and scrubs (e.g., Michael Ruffin) taking up valuable roster space.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still laughing that at coming out of high school Swift was rated ahead of Aldridge

http://www.draftexpress.com/RSCI/2004/

On a serious note: Can you really see Pritchard sitting across from Swift and thinking “yeah, that’s the guy I want representing my organization. I feel fans and companies in Portland would love him”.

by Norsktroll on May 8, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the time comes

during next season where I turn to my wife during a game and say, “man I wish we had signed Robert Switft during the offseason” I will burn my Greg Oden Jersey and buy a Kobe one.

Those times in games have so lilttle impact on the game, which is why no team keeps three 7 foot centers on their roster. I would much rather draft a 7 foot project center than sign Switft or a player like him.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The new NBA

skews smaller, we need a backup PF who can bang, then if Gregzilla is in foul trouble we can put the backup PF at the 5 with Aldridge at the 4… and if they are in foul trouble too, then the fix is in and we’re not winning anyways

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by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen Swift play a few times.

Not sure I’ve ever seen him do anything basketball-related that makes me want him on my bench. His appearance makes me think “shameless self-promoter” — not that it necessarily has anything to do with rounding out a roster.

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."

by GonzoFan on May 8, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is basically the same list of player

I put in the main post, except for Swift, Miller, Calathes, and Udoka. The only major difference though is Miller, you basically swapped him for Webster, which I am not totally against, but Webster is more athletic, even if he doesn’t use that part of his game that much. Both are good shooters, Miller has the over all edge in stats I would assume, but Webster is cheaper and locked up long term at that cheap price. I would keep webster over miller, because of that.

I don’t see the point in signing Udoka, Batum is obviously the SF of this team, even Nate told him that much in his exit interview. Udoka is a defender who can hit the 3, which is what Batum is, but with added potential on top of all of that. On the cheap I would take him, but I think he will find a better deal elsewhere.

I don’t like Swift’s game, I read your post about him, and he is not as bad as some would like to declare, but I don’t think you have to have 3 legit 7 foot centers to compete, infact I can’t think of a team that has 3. With Oden, Przybilla, Freeland, Joe Smith, Blair, and Powe this team would be very well set up big man wise.

One other thing, I made a good effort in this plan to not have this team rely on rookies to produce, there are rookies on the team of course, but none of them would be in a position to make or break the season for the Blazers. On this list, you have Blair and Freeland being asked to provide consistant back up PF depth, I don’t like that. We saw this year, no matter who good your rookies are, they are not good enough for a team to win in the playoffs. I would rather have Joe Smith or Leon Powe playing 15 mins a game in the playoffs next year than Blair or Freeland, my guess is Coach Nate would too.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Smith will re-sign with the Cleveland Cavaliers and Leon Powe, who'll be coming off ...

of a serious injury with a torn ACL and torn meniscus in his left knee, may not be ready to play at the start of next season and would be smart to sign the one-year qualifying offer the Boston Celtics tender him as a restricted free-agent.

Next, Ime Udoka is the a defensive-minded wing player who’d be perfect on the Portland Trail Blazers in the capacity of a third-string weakside cornerman — especially if he’s playing next to an offensive-minded rookie Nick Calathes, who’ll need to shift from point guard to being a ballside wing in the NBA — so I’m all for bringing back the Portland State University alumnus.

On the topic of signing a third-string pivotman, Robert Swift obviously isn’t the snazziest name — as I personally would want to bring in Rasho Nesterovic; however, he’ll probably sign with Toronto to replace Jake Voskuhl as Andrea Bargnani’s backup, as well as mentor the team’s third-string frontline of Patrick O’Bryant and Nathan Jawai — nevertheless, the tall, shaggy red-head would be a useful 12th man on this Portland Trail Blazers.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well I just don't agree I guess.

Bringing back Udoka would be a waste to me, because I can’t see him playing any time behind Batum and Webster in my plan, or behind Miller and Batum in yours. There is just not enough minutes, he would be a blow out player and nothing more unless we had an injury. Which is the only reason I like the signing.

I don’t want this team relying on any rookies to contribute major minutes, which is why I don’t like the Nic Calathes move, or having Blair and Freeland back up LMA at the PF spot. I want solid vets who we know what they are going to give, night in and night out.

I don’t understand why some people really want a 3rd string center, maybe it is fear of Oden’s injury past, but there is no reason to have a 3rd center. At most a PF/C option is all that is needed. Even if the team signed Swift, and Greg and Joel both got into foul trouble during an important game, I can’t see Swift getting the call from Coach Nate. Instead Nate would go small with LMA and the 5, and Smith, Powe, or maybe Freeland at the 4 before they bring in Switft.

You might be right about Cleveland’s plans, but I wouldn’t call it set in stone. They have about $67.7 million committed to next year, leaving them just under $3 million to use to sign players before they go over the cap. And they have some of their major contributors needing to be resigned or replace, Pavlovic, Szczerbiak, Smith, Varejao and even Ilgauskas can be free agents. They paid out $92 million this year, so they will pay the luxury tax, but like I said, nothing is set in stone yet.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Calathes wouldn't be relied on to play major mintues; rather, he'd be playing ...

in the D-League to start the season with Joel Freeland. The third and final spot on the inactive list would go to Darren Collison, with third-string pivotman Robert Swift and defensive stopper Ime Udoka being out of the rotation while earning only spot minutes when called upon to fill their specific roles.

For the Cleveland Cavaliers, here’s moves Danny Ferry should make this off-season.

Before the July moratorium

1. Select Marcus Thornton with the 30th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft and sign him to a four-year, rookie scale contract; also, select Danny Green 46th pick and sign him to a two-year, minimum-level contract (i.e., 2009-2010: $457,588 & 2010-2011: $762,195), with the second season non-guaranteed if he’s waived by 8/1/2010.

2. Expect that neither Zydrunas Ilgauskas doesn’t exercise his early termination option and Anderson Varejao does exercise his player option.

After the July moratorium

3. Acquire David West from the cash-strapped New Orleans Hornets.

FROM CLEVELAND & TO NEW ORLEANS
PF Ben Wallace ($14,000,000)
SF Aleksander Pavlovic ($4,750,000) {Partially Guaranteed For $1,500,000 Next Season}
PF J.J. Hickson ($1,429,200)
SG Tarence Kinsey ($855,189) {Non-Guaranteed Next Season}
PF Darnell Jackson ($736,420) {Non-Guaranteed Next Season}
SF Jawad Williams ($736,420) {Unsure Of Guaranteed Status Next Season}

Total Outgoing Salaries: $22,507,229 X 125% = $28,134,036

FROM NEW ORLEANS & TO CLEVELAND
PF David West ($9,075,000)
PG Antonio Daniels ($6,600,000)
SF James Posey ($6,031,800)
SG Morris Peterson ($6,006,480)

Total Outgoing Salaries: $27,713,280*

*Any trade kickers included in the contracts of Hornets involved in the proposal — such as James Posey and Morris Peterson — would have to be waived to seal the deal. Yet, if that can’t be hashed out, then Wally Szczerbiak could possibly be re-signed using his Bird rights and added to the trade to balance out salaries.

4. Re-sign Joe Smith to a two-year, $4,139,200 contract (i.e., 2009-2010: $1,990,000 & 2010-2011: $2,149,200) with the bi-annual exception.

5. Re-sign Lorenzen Wright to a one-year, minimum-level contract (i.e., $1,306,455 for players with ten or more years of service in the NBA).

7. Sign Juwan Howard to a one-year, minimum-level contract (i.e., $1,306,455 for players with ten or more years of service in the NBA).

2009-2010 ROSTER
C: Zydrunas Ilgauskas
C: Anderson Varejao
C: Lorenzen Wright
PF: David West
PF: Joe Smith
PF: Juwan Howard
SF: LeBron James
SF: James Posey
SF: Danny Green
SG: Delonte West
SG: Morris Peterson
SG: Marcus Thornton
PG: Maurice Williams
PG: Daniel Gibson
PG: Antonio Daniels

Yeah, that’s a scary team.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You had me until
FROM NEW ORLEANS & TO CLEVELAND
PF David West ($9,075,000)
PG Antonio Daniels ($6,600,000)
SF James Posey ($6,031,800)
SG Morris Peterson ($6,006,480)

You seriously think New Orleans is in such bad shape that they would send out 4 players who can not only play, but play well, for nothing resembling an NBA player? Ok maybe Pavlovic but the rest are unproven rookies or washed up vets! Every player going from New Orleans to Cleveland in this trade idea is a legit vet in the NBA who can provide consistant skills, that good teams need. No way New Orleans does this, they would trade CP3 first.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not even George Shinn is stupid enough to trade Chris Paul, for that would ...

devalue his franchise if he attempt to sell it to an out-of-town buyer. Unlike Paul, David West is an overrated commodity on the trade market who could allow the New Orleans Hornets to dump unwanted assets — such as James Posey and Morris Peterson — without completely damaging the on-court product. Heck, for Shinn’s sake, I hope Jeff Bower also understands that fact.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They already said they won't trade West...

even if it means they have to go over the tax.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure trading Tyson Chandler or Peja Stojakovic is Jeff Bower's ...

for salary relief is his first and foremost objective, but when push comes to shove it wouldn’t shock me if George Shinn just said screw it and put David West up on the trading block.

Chris Paul, however, is going nowhere.

by AK1984 on May 9, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both trades

 do effectively the same thing, and that is devalue the oncourt product. The trade you proposed is a straight salary dump, and would put the Hornets in the lottory. All 4 players you are shipping from New Orleans to Cleveland are rotation players for the Hornets, and they get maybe one rotation player in return. I can’t see that happening.

by usmcr3049 on May 9, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew a useful 12th man once.

He used to be a bellman at a hotel in Oswego, NY. Great at carrying luggage.

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."

by GonzoFan on May 8, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You got rid of the two players KP touted for biggest off-season improvement: Bayless and Webster

I know, lets trade away two of our top under twenty-five prospects for three guys close to thirty, two of whom (Hinrich and Miller) have had significant injuries.

Your approach seems very short sighted to me. Looks like you are sacrificing the future for questionable short term gains.

by upper left corner on May 9, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny

Why would the Bulls cut Blake? This plan is crap.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 8, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you're not aware that the Chicago Bulls are cash-strapped and need to cut some salary ...

to re-sign Ben Gordon without going over the luxury tax next season. Jerry Reinsdorf is a rich man, but even he’s fiscally prudent in most situations.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they won't resign

 Gordon, he wants too much and after that first round he will get it from someone. If they are smart, and I assume they are, (not always a good choice) they would keep Blake over Gordon. Blake is a bankable vet who will play his role on that team perfectly, while Gordon thinks he is more than he is.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole point in trading Kirk for Blake would be to have enough money

to resign Ben. If they’re letting Ben walk, they’ll just keep Kirk to back up the 1 and 2 (barring, of course, the chance to trade him for that ever-elusive offensively gifted big man). The whole reason Blake keeps coming up for Bulls fans (and no offense intended to him, because I think he had a great season) is because he contract isn’t guaranteed and there aren’t a whole lot of those to choose from.

(Of course, that’s just a fan’s view)

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 8, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, so your saying that Bulls fans

want the team to resign Gordon? No matter what cost?

Word of advise from a non-bulls-fan, he is not worth what he wants. Anything over $10 million per year is crazy, and he already turned that down. The Bulls should look for cheaper options who can do the same thing as Gordon, there are lots of undersized gunners in the NBA, or better yet, invest in something that might make the bulls a legit championship contender again. Rose, Noah, and maybe Thomas if he continues to improve. The rest of that roster of roleplayers can be replaced, I think the bulls are hurt by being in the East. They gave us one of the greatest 1st round series, but they miss out on a high draft pick that could return value to them. The bulls seem stuck where the Blazers where about 7 or 8 years ago, good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to make much noise in them. Unless Rose turns into CP3, which he could, they need better options around him.

by usmcr3049 on May 9, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, that's not what I'm saying

Obviously there’s a price where the Bulls don’t resign Ben, and from the org history and what was said last year that price is presumed to be the dollar amount where the Bulls enter the luxury tax. As things stand now, that would be a contract Ben has no interest in, nor should he.

I’m saying that Bulls fans look at trading with Portland because (a) you all have expressed an interest in picking up Kirk, and (b) you have some non-guaranteed contracts on your team, guys the Bulls could cut in order to make a better offer to Ben without getting into the LT. Most Bulls fans want Ben back (at a reasonable cost) for his offense – and I think you are underestimating what role Ben plays on the Bulls. 20 ppg scorers aren’t all that common, and Ben does that with a high level of efficiency for us. There’s a reasonable argument that he’s significantly more important to us right now because of team makeup than he would be to anyone else.

And with Ben back and Kirk gone, Bulls fans would not want Blake at his cost playing limited minutes to backup Derrick – either a rookie or vet-minimum guy is more in line with the thinking. If it’s looking like there’s no chance to sign Ben, Bulls fans would rather have Kirk back another season (or half season) playing supersub than exchange him for Blake. Only a very small minority of Bulls fans talk about trading for Blake as a means to having him on the team – with Ben back, he’d be looking at maybe 10 minutes a night in a strict backup PG role. The fans that want both Ben and Kirk gone want a stud big man in return, not Blake. Maybe Ben ends up not resigning anyway, but Blake would have already been cut to make room for the possibility, and in that case the Bulls take the cap space and work with that.

And don’t make the mistake of thinking this is the only trade that Bulls fans are envisioning this summer, or that keeping one of Kirk or Ben to start next season means Bulls fans see them as long-term fits. Sure, role players can be replaced – but we’ve got some excellent role players right now, and the guys you’re talking about forming the core are still on rookie contracts, leaving relatively more cap room for role player salaries. Moving our great role players for not-so-great ones doesn’t make sense for us right now because we’d be less competitive in the immediate future, and because we’d have less to offer salary-matching wise in future trades to improve the team.

Finally, considering the org has not met Ben’s demands the past two summers, and that his competing offers are likely to be lower this year because of the economy, I don’t think you need to worry too much about our owner significantly overpaying for Ben – by all reports, Reinsdorf is the least interested in having Ben back of anyone involved on the Bulls’ side of the organization.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 9, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much did Ben play as an off guard this year together with Rose?

I have usually only seen Kirk in that role, camping around the three point line waiting for a pass while Rose handles the ball. Blake would be a perfect replacement for that (offensively), making him also more attractive than just a salary dump for expiring “useless” guys like several teams could offer. The Bulls would save the difference between their salaries, but would still get a very capable replacement and a cheaper price. If Kirk (and potentially Ben since he could well get a good offer from OKC or Memphis or even Atlanta if they decide to spend money) leave the Bulls without a good guard returning I think the depth gets very shallow.

by Norsktroll on May 9, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben played a lot with Derrick

82games hasn’t updated the player-pairs stuff in a while, but as of March 28 Derrick and Kirk had played 570 minutes together and Derrick and Ben 1963 minutes together. Of course, that is warped from Kirk missing the 31 games with the thumb surgery. Incidentally, Kirk and Ben had played 633 minutes together at that point. Ben spent a lot of that time camped outside the arc, but also much of it creating his own shot. I think you’d agree Blake’s not much of a replacement option for a guy who is counted on to create for himself, score in spite of double teams, and score big in clutch time?

Is this all a huge risk? Sure – Ben could leave anyway. The problem is the timing, with the decision on Blake due before negotiations with Ben can commence. If the Bulls are adamant about not signing the LT, there’s no option but to create cap space before July 1 to have a shot at Ben. If the Bulls hold onto Blake, I don’t think that gives them enough room under the tax to have a realistic shot at signing Ben, and if I only get one between Ben, Kirk and Blake to be on the team next year, Blake is my last choice. No offense to him intended at all – he is much cheaper than the other two. I just don’t think he brings as much – big drop off from Ben offensively, big drop of from Kirk defensively. And that little extra bit of cap space probably doesn’t get us to the kind of offensive big we want to pick up.

I don’t dislike Blake, and if the Bulls traded Kirk, dropped Blake, and lost Ben anyway that would really suck. I just don’t see the push to trade Kirk early except as a means to keep Ben, and we couldn’t keep Blake and still have a shot at Ben. Otherwise, we might as well wait till after the Bulls can start negotiating with Ben and see what happens there.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 9, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are going to do all that and have Hinrich as your PG?!!?

If I blow up the team, I’m hoping to get someone a lot better.

You must not have watched the last third of the season; LMA was as good as Bosh, and appears to be on a nice development curve.

As far as our first draft pick, we’re probably better off taking an international prospect and letting them develop for a few years overseas. Either that or a long-shot on an overlooked potential guy at any position other than SG.

by hoopla-pdx on May 8, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMA was almost as good as Bosh.

It was close, but only for a short time.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 8, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this mike miller thing makes you into a crackpot

and renders all your other reasoning suspect, since you always return to this obsession. and mike miller was named to the cnn/si anti all-star team as someone whose season was particularly bad.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 8, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Miller did his best in a bad situation, which is all you can ask for a talented role player like ...

him who’s got a multifaceted game offensively. Unlike Travis Outlaw, Miller is an intelligent, unselfish player who can dribble, pass, rebound, and shoot with way more proficiency than the hilariously inept “Trout” on the hardwood. At the weakside corner in Nate McMillan’s simple, albeit shockingly efficient high/low zone offense, Miller can spot up from beyond the arc and drain three-pointers, take his man off the dribble and drive down the baseline, or hit cutters like Rudy Fernandez on give-and-go plays.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I don't deny Miller has skills.

It just seems like he has underachieved and now may have some kind of mental block. Certainly Steve Aschbrenner at Sports Illustrated wrote about him more than once; it seems like Chris Mannix at one point chimed in too.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 8, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have previously said that you thought MM could be a point-forward

I’m not sure if there’s much more delusional stuff than that, considering he has had a 2 A/T ratio a total of once since 2003 (and that was last year, when his 3PT% dropped below 38%).

by dprodigy19 on May 8, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even as a point forward, Mike Miller's TS% was higher than Travis Outlaw's TS%.

Outlaw, by the way, is pretty ineffective at both handling and distributing the basketball.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well thought out ideas

I’d disagree with the basic assumption that widespread change is needed right now, which would prevent me from making several of these moves.

I’d do the Hinrich trade. I’m not willing to concede that Bosh will give enough more production than LMA to justify trading Rudy. And although I like the idea of getting Miller, I’m not ready to let go of Bayless yet.

But you’ve clearly thought things out.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't realize my response would go down so far, so I'll clarify

that this is in response to AK1984’s plan for the summer.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the way I see it

is that every team who has won a title, with the exception of 2004 (the series in which Kobe shot his team out of contention), has had two top ten talents on their roster. Chris Bosh is already in that conversation. LaMarcus is not.

If it takes giving up a fantastic player in Rudy to get a second top ten guy, I’d do it in a second.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 9, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

looking at 82games.com

I’m having trouble figuring out why you want him. He’s a average player who doesn’t play good defense and is a net minus. Also, he has terrible hair. I just don’t see how he helps fill gaps other than that he’s a decent passer.

I feel that we really need defense out of the 3. I’d like a big 3 like James Johnson (a 4/3) or Sam Young (big body) to help d up athletic wings like LeBron, Melo, and Wallace.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 9, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought so too

which is why I used them all, but I found many mistakes on them all. Storytellers is my fav and first place to go for salary info, but he has Blakes contract at almost $5 million for next season, which I remember as too high. So I went with hoopshype who had him at just over $4 million, like I remember. But hey I could be wrong, if so the numbers might be off by almost a million, but when talking about nba salary caps, that is nothing.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, Storytellers has Steve Blake's salary for next season listed correctly at $4,000,000.

It also references that Blake’s salary for next season is non-guaranteed if he’s waived by 6/30/2009.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct

and that is why I shouldn’t go by memory. It was hoopshype site that was off on Blake’s deal, but like I said, they are both pretty close over all, and unlike KP I don’t have to be perfect! :)

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, nobody's perfect.

I make my fair share of mistakes, too.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many mistakes? Many mistakes?

I’m shocked – shocked – that you would make such a venomous accusation without so much as a single example to prove your point…..oh, by the way, if you can’t come up with any examples, just let me know and I’ll give you half a dozen off the top of my head that I’ve had to correct in the last month alone – LOL!

Yes, the only truly flawless list of salaries is that published by the NBA itself and distributed regularly to the teams – but since I don’t have the luxury of seeing that list……

Seriously – if anyone sees something wrong on the site, please let me know. I get emails all the time from people all over the country who point out things that need to be corrected – you won’t hurt my feelings or incur my wrath or anything like that.

But I do have a small, ever so slight problem with comparisions to Hoopshype. Not only do they have Blake’s contract wrong and Outlaw’s contract wrong, they’ve even got Sergio’s contract wrong. I would argue that I’m a bit more accurate than Hoopshype.

And AK1984 is right about Sham – he’s the king. My site is formatted differently than his and I prefer the ‘all the teams on one page’ format – but if you ever have a doubt about a difference between Sham and Hoopshype, go with Sham 100% of the time.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know

how you guys keep up with all the salary info, it just boggles my mind for sure…. good job!

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on May 9, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I scour the web for information. There are good sites and forums that help provide info. I rely on others with more ‘sources’ than I have. I don’t claim to be original or the best in what I do – but I do enjoy doing it. And if others get some benefit out of it – all the better.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how is draftexpress

for salary info?

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 9, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good

They work with Sham, whom I’ve already said is king among us amateurs.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

like the sig....

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on May 9, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

find something you enjoy and go for it. I frequent history sites a lot, so that’s my expertise and I understand about having fun doing it. The Inet is great!

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on May 9, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, I don't say this often

but I absolutely KNOW that I have Blake’s contract status and Outlaw’s contract status correct. I made a point to get their contracts confirmed by a true ‘source’ about a year ago. Hoopshype has them too high.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Patrick Patterson was my secondary target as a backup power forward behind DeJuan Blair.

Patterson, moreover, seemed like the most realistic possibility at #24 and even a safer pick than Blair — as the Pittsburgh standout does have some weight worries and questions surronding his man-to-man defense — so that hurts a bit. Gani Lawal is a raw, unrefined banger and Tyler Hansbrough doesn’t do it for me, which puts the Portland Trail Blazers in a bit of a quandry. Yeah, it’s now Blair or bust.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patterson (6’9’’) is arguably the top returning forward in the SEC after averaging 17.9 points and 9.3 rebounds. He was expected to go late lottery to mid-twenties. The NBA’s deadline to withdraw from the draft is June 15, so it will take a while even after the lottery is over to know who will be available. The NBA and NCAA are looking into shortening the timeframe to pull out of the draft and declare to return.

“He said, ‘Wait a minute, I want to do this,’” new Kentucky head coach John Calipari said. “He said he would be wasting everybody’s time by staying in the draft, mine, yours and the NBA’s and ‘I just don’t want to do it.’”

by Norsktroll on May 8, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, Portland HAS to find a way to trade up...

as the Power Forward position is that much thinner this season. At the point this franchise is at, we can’t just wait and draft Best Player Available, we need to target a player who fits the lunch-pail culture and fits the rotation plan… i.e. Back-up PF. DeJuan Blair or bust baby!!!!

by Portland Dynasty on May 8, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blair

Anyone think he is willing to accept maybe 20mpg?

Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson
Sign Othello Hunter & DJ Mbenga(Both for big man depth)

by TheGreatDane17 on May 8, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he doesn't really have a lot of options

Blair could:
1) choose to accept the minutes
2) demand a trade (which would be weak sauce for a guy who is more than likely going to spend the majority of his career as a solid role player)
3) go to europe (where his game doesn’t translate nearly as well as it would in the NBA).

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by lefty6283 on May 8, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec

great breakdown, lots of effort.

I think that if Bayless or Rudy step up and become that deadly scorer off the bench, we’ll be OK. I think that we can play Brandon at the 3 in a 3 guard lineup, however, I’d really like a big, physical wing to help against the “power 3’s” like James, Melo, Wallace, etc.
Maybe James Johnson in the draft could be a good 3/4 swingman.

Sidenote:
Patrick Patterson withdrawing will bump Gani Lawal’s stock up.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 8, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Rudy

still have more game in him than he showed, but I think Webster is what he is at this point. He’s a shooter who can occasionally drive to the hole. But he is not a playmaker, and unless Rudy or Bayless turn into that, the second unit wouldn’t have one, which means they would have to run very tight offensive sets to score. I just don’t see it happening. Like NVE said, it could happen, but there are better options to first consider in my book.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I think keeping Rudy

will mean eventually losing webster.

I’m ok with that

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 8, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends...

If Webster has chronic foot issues ala Walton, he could accept a smaller role in an effort to lengthen his career. like what Walton did with the Celtics

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by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Walton Analogies

formerly fromagnon... I remember back in the day... way back before you young cats were around, back when I ruled the jersey contest... back when it meant something... back when hip-hop was alive

by The Arkitect on May 8, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This foot injury will defnitely have some sort of impact on Websters psychie...

Webster has 3 years on his deal at a very reasonable price for a guy who can score and defend pretty good, IF Martell can’t get into the starting line-up upon his return from this injury, we have 3 seasons to work with him before that is his decision. Martell will be an asset to this team in some way for sure. And, I think if need be, he will take on a smaller role.

by Portland Dynasty on May 8, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so am I

Dwight Jaynes is right, that we need to give Rudy a more active role on this team, or we will lose him. He needs 28-30 mins a night, and a more active role than “spot up in the corner”.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ginobili only one year got over 30 minutes in his career. Rudy might pout a bit, but he won't immediately call for a trade.

That piece by Jaynes seemed a bit premature, though there is a point to involve Rudy more next year. But I think that should mean more touches, not really a lot more minutes.

by Norsktroll on May 8, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

It seems real premature.

Rudy seems pretty happy as far as I can tell. They have crazy substitutions in Europe anyway, so his minutes probably seem normal. Josh Childress is only playing like 20 minutes a game right now in Greece.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Games under Fiba rules are only 40 minutes, but in his first 82 games season Rudy shouldn’t have expected many more minutes so I guess he was fairly happy with his time even if he surely likes to have a major role.

by Norsktroll on May 9, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

Time isn’t the issue, it’s role. With anyone but Sergio running the offense his primary role is kick out 3-shooter. I believe he wants and is capable of much more.

Rudy!!!!!

by blazergrl on May 9, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patrick Patterson told Kentucky Friday he has withdrawn

his name from the NBA draft and will return to the Wildcats for his junior season.
Click here for details.

by spencerbutte on May 9, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look into your magic ball...

and tell me who we are going to draft this year.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who is this year's Batum?

I must know.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 9, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beaubois seems to be the more likely prospect

De Colo is playing SG/combo guard in the same club.

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by Norsktroll on May 11, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember Rodrique tried out for us last year

and was impressive but decided to go back.. maybe one of our 4 second rounders would be useful and stash him overseas

by GreatOden'sRaven on May 11, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys need Linas Kleiza

In exchange for Channing Frye.

by Tagyou'reIt on May 8, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Another 3/4 forward tweener?

(Historical side note: We had Kleiza, and traded him and a second rounder for Jarrett Jack on draft day)

by Norsktroll on May 8, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take him back

My point is, we in Denver would LOVE Channing Frye and his inside/outside abilities.

by Tagyou'reIt on May 8, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

In a heartbeat if I were in charge. Then again if I were in charge I would have never nixed the Artest/Sacramento deal because they wanted Kleiza.

by Tagyou'reIt on May 8, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, the Denver Nuggets could instead target someone like Derrick Brown, ...

Damion James, Tyler Smith, or Sam Young with the 34th pick. Indeed, there should be numerous satisfactory combo forwards available early on in the second round of the 2009 NBA Draft. At any rate, though, Linas Kleiza is likely on his way out of the Mile High City.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Hedo

And surprisingly, that could happen if Otis Smith is Otis Smith this summer

by dprodigy19 on May 8, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear Tayshuan Prince is on the table.

Sign Kidd for cheap and trade Outlaw and Blake for Prince.

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by Jaceman on May 8, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Throw in Sergio and a pick or something

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by Jaceman on May 8, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kidd

wants to stay in Dallas I read somewhere, and his contract demands were kind of crazy if you believe the rumors.

I would be happy if we got Prince, he is a great player. I just believe our PG spot is in more need of an upgrade don’t you? If you had to choose between getting Prince and keeping Blake, or getting Hinrich and keeping web/Batum wouldn’t you get Hinrich?

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's close.

I think it depends on how much they want for Prince. I imagine they would want Rudy, Pryzbilla, or even Aldridge to make the deal work.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

which

would kill the deal from my end.

by usmcr3049 on May 9, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would give up Rudy or Pryzbilla.

But not both, and definitely not Aldridge.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liking it

this sounds pretty good, honestly i don’t want powe or joe smith, and none of the other guys look that group look great. but getting hinrich would be awesome, everything i saw in the playoffs told me he is the point we need. dujan blair would be cool, and since we’re getting some experience from hinrich its ok to get another rookie. gotta get alonzo mourning to coach oden, i recently saw him on pros vs joes

by StocktonNEP on May 8, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

who would you like to get

to back up LMA in that case? Any other ideas?

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm joking, but I sort of wish Danny Fortson was still around

though it’s entirely possible Nate had his fill of both Fortson and Reggie Evans, a similar old school pro

ignacio

by ignacio on May 8, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put.

Extra points for encouraging input. Shows you’ll back up what you claim, or be willing to change your mind.

"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."

by GonzoFan on May 8, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Curious

how did you get this on the front page of BE?

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on May 8, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He put alot of thought work into it,

admitted the likely hood of errors, asked for dissenting opinions, and encouraged discussion. Oh yeah, that Dave guy liked it too.

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just in case you've been enjoying life AFK for a few days,

Dave’s been promoting higher level fanposts that encourage civil conversation or offer some new insight to the front page, kinda like a reward for being good students or something. I’ve only seen two so far, but I assume that we’ll see more.

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by Screen Name on May 8, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a good idea

for the slow off season

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on May 8, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, you were joking

I dialed that number and it’s disconnected… :-)

Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.

by johnv59 on May 8, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah sorry, it’s in the process of being re-routed to 1-800-CASH-BEN

by Ben. on May 9, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that getting Hinrich sounds good,

but why wouldn’t Chicago want a 5 or 4 instead of Outlaw?

by blzrfan1938 on May 8, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They may very well want that.

I felt with Noah’s growth during the playoffs, (who knew once you got that kid to the pressure of the playoffs he would flip a switch?) and Thomas’s semi-breakout year, they also have Brad Miller, those three are pretty good. But you make a very good point, maybe Frye could be useful here as well, maybe not.

I chose Outlaw to help give them offensive fire power off the bench, as I believe they will lose Gordon to FA this summer. But they do have other small forwards on the team that can score. But none that really excell at getting their own shot as well as Travis.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they lose Gordon..

does that make Bayless more attractive to the Bulls? Would the Blazers prefer dealing Bayless/Outlaw, do you think?

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by 12sharks on May 9, 2009 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it.

Hinrich is a three year solution and then things get dicey again. I wouldn’t feel comfortable not having a PG prospect with big upside waiting in the wings.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not a huge bayless fan

he might be the answer or he might not, if it took bayless/outlaw to get Hinrich I would still do it. Hinrich is only 28, so he is more than just a 3 year plan. With his game, I think he could play very well until about 33, which would be 5 years. But I think the team would still need to get that young pg to develop.

If you believe what the Bulls fan above said, the bulls really want to resign Gordon no matter the cost, and Blake is more attractive to them because they can wavie him and his non-guaranteed deal after the trade to free up cap space.

by usmcr3049 on May 9, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just pointed this out above

But it’s not “no matter the cost.” Right now there’s simply not room to make a reasonable offer without going into the luxury tax.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 9, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Ok so picking this apart, I think the likelyhood of us picking up NY’s #8 overall pick is slim to none. Even if we did, there’s no point in drafting a back-up/3rd string power forward that high. If we get a pick that high we have the luxury of taking a high-ceiling, high risk player.

I don’t think we need Powe, Joe Smith, Freeland, and DaJuan Blair. Nate like a tight playing rotation and I’d rather have Freeland stay overseas another year if we add all of those guys. Maybe adding Joe Smith and Freeland would be the best option, and use our #24 pick either in trade with Chicago for Kirk or somewhere else for a point.

by sPresley on May 8, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Instead of

Blair with the 8th pick, how about James Johnson? Much more upside.

by sPresley on May 8, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In reality we might get

Blair, sign a vet like J. Smith (up in the air if we get a quality PF in the draft), and have Freeland come over. This also depends on any moves that KP makes in addition to this of course.

by KitIsh on May 8, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I think James Johnson would be a nice fit with a team like the Milwaukee Bucks, it's hard ...

to use the term “upside” for a guy who’s 22 years old — even though he’s only got a couple seasons of college basketball under his belt — besides, I’d much rather bring in a tried-and-true banger at the backup power forward spot here.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to say

Im pretty sure James is a banger hes like a 6th degree black belf/ UFC fighter/ Destroyer of other players with crazy ninja moves

by jlarose78 on May 8, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding briefing and intellegent discussion

But other than letting people walk KP will not make any real moves till draft day,why would he?

by southern oregon on May 8, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My Thoughts

1. Sergio – Work out a sign and trade for Chris Wilcox giving NY Sergio that way and also answering our backup PF need in the process. Chris will require more money then Sergio but we also have a Trade Exception from Ike Diogu.

2. Draft – Keep the 24th pick and the 32nd pick to draft the best available PG, and PF (Hanbourough, Gani, Collison, Mills) Use the 38th and 55th pick to trade up in the 2nd round to Draft Victor Claver and leave him in Spain

3. Let Raef, Ruffin, Randolf, Frye Walk (But let Frye know that we would love to have him back as a play by play announcer once his basketball career is over)

4. Bring over Freeland

5. Trade Outlaw, Blake and the 56th Pick for Hinrich

6. Sign Richard Hendrix from the D-League

Roster
1. Roy
2. Aldridge
3.Oden
4. Hinrich
5. Martell
6. Rudy
7. Pryzbilla
8. Bayless
9. Wilcox
10. Battum
11. Freeland
12. Hendrix
13. Draft Pick
14. Draft Pick

by jlarose78 on May 8, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Duh

Sergio – Plus were under the cap so we can do unbalanced trades

by jlarose78 on May 8, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich?

Why would we want Kirk Hinrich. He cannot get into the lane. He does not make Greg any better than Steve Blake makes him. He’s an underrated defender actually, but the point guard we get has to make Greg Oden a better player. We need someone who can get into the lane, and baically hand it to Greg for a dunk. Kirk Hinrich will never be a blazer. I am confident, especially if it takes giving up Blake and Outlaw to get him? Come on, that is way too much. A very good backup point, and the player who finished 3rd in 6th man, who is still only 24 with a ton of upside for a backup point who would start on our team? I am so opposed to this trade that it makes me upset. Also, why not try to trade outlaw for a backup big? What about Outlaw, Sergio and our pick to NY for David Lee after he resigns with them? Walsh said he would not go over $10 Million for Lee, so maybe if an offer like that would exist, it would be advantageous for them to just match him for over 10, then trade him if they don’t want to pay it. This certainly sounds like a better deal then letting him go. Furthermore, I think we should use our remaining 7 Mil in cap space to go after Ramon Sessions. He averaged 15ppg, 7.5 assists, and 4 reb as a starting guard. Also, Milwaukee cannot afford both villanueva and sessions, both restricted free agents. Sessions is better than hinrich, and this allows us to add sessions and lee. That is a legit team.

by mballer225 on May 8, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'd pay David Lee $8-10 million

to be a 20-25 minute/night bench guy. We already have roughly 18 million committed next year between Przybilla, Oden and Aldridge. Throw in Lee at 8-10 million/year, and we have so much money tied up that we’d be near the tax threshold once Aldridge and Roy’s extensions kick in.

"Smile! You're on a poster!!" - Mike Rice

by lefty6283 on May 8, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand your hatred

toward Hinrich’s game. he can get into the lane, and does so on a regular basis, did you watch the Epic Boston/Chicago 1st round series?

Hinrich vs Blake
Defense – Hinrich
3 point shot – Even
Running an offense – Even
Creating offense – Hinrich
Running the pick and roll – Hinrich
throwing the lob – Hinrich

Kirk is not just a bit better than Blake, he is alot better. I use to think the same as you, but then I watched some film on Hinrich, and read what others think of his game and became convinced he is the right pg for this team.

Hinrich vs Sessions
Defense – Hinrich
3 point shot – Hinrich
Running an offense – Even
Creating offense – Even
Running the pick and roll – Even
throwing the lob – not enough info on Sessions

Stats:
27.5mpg, .45% fg, .18 3pt%, .79FT%, 1.1stls, 0.1blks, 1.9TO’s, 3.4Rebs, 5.7Ast, 12.4Pts
vs
26.3mpg, .44% fg, .41 3pt%, .79FT%, 1.3stils, 0.4blks, 1.7TO’s, 2.4Rebs, 3.9Asts 9.9Pts

There stats are almost the same, Hinrich has the higher true shooting percentage because of his 3 point shot.

I would not be upset if the Blazer got Sessions, but it would mean more changes were coming that I believe KP and Nate want to make. Sessions is most valueable when he can drive the lane, and either kick out, finish or draw a foul. Infact he is only valueable doing just that, he must have the ball in his hands, his usuage rate of 22.5 would put him second on the Blazers behind only Roy. This could be a good thing, taking the ball out of Roy’s hands some of the time and having another playmaker or I believe it would be a bad thing. Because Roy is the teams best player, he needs the ball in his hands most of the time, the Blazers need a PG who is able to drive the lane, kick out, finish, or draw a foul, but they also need a PG who can spot up and hit the open 3, or run the pick and roll to perfection. These are two things that Sessions doesn’t do so great at. To get the most out of Sessions, the would have to get those things from somewhere else, maybe Rudy could provide some of it, or Webster, but neither of them can do it as well as Hinrich can, which is why I believe he is the better fit.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

I applaud you for showing why Kirk Hinrich is the real deal.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich is certainly an upgrade from Blake . . .

but he’s not as good as Sessions. When you say “EVEN” in the above comparisons of Hinrich and Sessions, you really mean Sessions. In fact, I’d even split up defense with Hinrich better on bigger guards, while Sessions better on quicker guards. Sessions certainly is a better defender of Aaron Brooks than Hinrich, or quicker guards like him. Sessions, even came up later in the comments, when this whole article was about Hinrich. Sessions had 24 assists last year against Hinrich’s bulls . . . Hope Hinrich wasn’t guarding him. Sessions also had 44 earlier on the Pistons this year, and a triple double on the Lakers. His ceiling is way higher than Hinrich’s also. Hinrich is only better at shooting, which is why we keep Blake off the bench. One final note, is that some may not remember but we worked out Sessions before the draft and KP really liked him. He made a special point of commenting on him, so its a guy who he’s followed. Also, why the reason for Sessions? He’s easier to get, and he allows us to get something else with Travis. In response to the other above question of why pay David Lee 8-10 mil to come off the bench, the simple answer is because we can! The initial idea of staying below the luxury tax is absurd. With Brandon, LaMarcus, and Greg’s soon to be contracts, we won’t sniff being below the salary cap for probably 5-10 years, so why try to be below the luxury tax? Paul Allen doesn’t care about paying it, he simply wants to win.

by mballer225 on May 9, 2009 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich is MUCH better than Sessions on defense.

It’s not even close. He was such an awful defender he couldn’t even beat out Ridnour for the starting spot, despite being much better than Luke n the offensive end.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I just don't agree about Sessions

He is not as good of a defender than Hinrich is currently, don’t take my word for it, here are a few other opinions I found.
Hinrich

Hinrich is an agile defender who can guard either backcourt spot, though he gives up inches at the 2 and tends to get into foul trouble at that position — his 3.82 fouls per 40 minutes were the most of any point guard who played at least 2,000 minutes. He takes charges, too, earning 28 offensive foul calls last season. – John Hollinger

…he is one of the most tenacious on the ball defenders in the league. – Sam Brown of the Bleacher report
PG: 6’3 Kirk Hinrich: Excellent Defender, can handle the point guard position, can also guard taller SG’s, good 3 point shooter(.421). Captain. – CBS Scouting report

Sessions

Defensively, he appears to have the size to guard the position but may be challenged to stay in front of quicker guards. – John Hollinger

Ramon Sessions does not play defense. – Paul Banks of NBC Chicago and the Washington Times

Sessions has the tools, but has yet to put it together.

And if you look above you will notice that the Blazers will not have to go into Luxury tax hell to keep this team together. Not every player deserves or should expect a max deal just because they are in the NBA. Even with that, there is no way KP will pay $10+ million per year for David Lee to be a back up power forward, when there are cheaper options, which are actually better options. Lee thinks he is a starter in the NBA, I doubt he would even sign with Portland because of that.

by usmcr3049 on May 9, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

About Freeland's contract

Joel Freeland is going to garner a lot of interest from European teams, but I think KP is going to bring him over this season anyway.

Why do I think this? Well KP spoke very highly in the Trailblazers Courtside interview, and can offer more money than his rookie contract due to the nugget of on CBA discussed here on truehoop:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-124/Splitter—The-Difference.html

If I’m understanding that right we can either sign Joel F. to his rookie contract (could do this after signing FA’s still) OR use up to all of the cap room (if needed) to sign him to a more competitive offer because he has played 3 professional seasons since being picked.

Now I don’t think Joel F. is going to come over on his rookie contract ala Rudy, mostly because the team ACTUALLY CAN give him more money. There’s no reason to leave money on the table for this guy, so if KP really wants him over he’s going to have to be at least in ballpark range of Euro offers.

This pretty much rules out also getting a guy like Bass or Powe (who I do like, sucks about the knee) because the money just won’t be there. We could maybe get Joe Smith to be that grizzled vet we can fall back on if Freeland is still too raw, but I have a feeling that Cleveland would have to flat out not want him for that to happen. Needless to say, I’m not sure thats going to be the case.

"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.

by Devenex on May 8, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

On side note

This rule could be used if/when Kopponen is brought over as long as its after this upcoming season. Of course we need cap room to do it, and who knows when we’ll have that again LOL

"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.

by Devenex on May 8, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd still like to see us do almost nothing this summer.

I believe that we are already really close to being elite in personnel right now.

So I hope that we don’t trade for players. As there is no way to predict locker room chemistry and/or off court dynamics, any change (as KP said at the trade deadline) needs to look certain to make us substantively better. That’ll be hard to do. It probably won’t happen

But I think some minor moves are pretty easy to predict.

Shav, Ruffin, Raef and Channing will go. Joel Freeland will come over.

An experienced high character big will join us and play behind LMA. A pure 4 would be fine; LMA can be our third center when we need one. Joe Smith, Antonio McDyess, or even a younger guy with the right personality (like Turiaf) would be fine with me.

I am pretty sure we will entertain offers for Travis and Sergio and take the best one(s). Getting back future draft picks and salaries for players who will never play here would be more than enough for me. Or perhaps the vet PF could come this way. I would consider this more along the lines of addition by subtraction. KP has to clear room for Martell behind Nic and for Jerryd behind Steve. When these things are done we can call it a good summer.

I hope that we trade this year’s draft picks for future year picks with GMs who have to make something happen immediately. Or we could draft Euros and plan to stash them for years. Like the kids at the Nike summit recently. I say draft European preadolescents we won’t hear about for five plus years for all I care.

More than new additions I think this summer’s priority is to get JB ready to star in LV . Having Martell and Joel #2 there to set up should make assists much easier..

Then we should see Rudy and Brandon develop whatever skill sets need improving this summer to play beside each other well. They are too good not to play 30+ minutes each every night. Our braintrust can and will morph the squad schematically into whatever we need be to do so.

*If a ridiculuosly one sided opportunity to bring in a superstar presents itself, cool. I just don’t see it happening, though the league’s economic realities do give me a glimmer of hope. None of the names bandied about here lately (Bosh, M. Miller, Heinrich, D West, etc.) seem a significant enough upgrade to risk changing our human dynamics. Chris Paul and Ricky Rubio would be my two exceptions. Thus I am eagerly looking forward to the following:

CENTER: Greg at nearly 30 minutes a night backed by Joel’s 20 by season’s end.

POWER FORWARD: LaMarcus backed by a an ten year vet who brings smarts and work ethic for almost 20 minutes a night. Then JF hangs around as our new british stogie.

SMALL FORWARD: Nic starts and burns 24 a night unless Martell flat out displaces him. Martell gets what’s left that doesn’t go to Rudy.

SHOOTING GUARD: Brandon gets cut down to 30 and a little. Rudy gets the remaining SG time plus more from playing alongside Brandon another ten or twelve minutes a night while either the PG or the SF is sitting. Rudy needs to average a little more than 30 minutes a night.

POINT GUARD: Steve will be more than adequate starting the year and going 20 a night. Jerryd will back him and get another 20 himself.

And we will win 60 games during the 82 game preseason

Nice post Devil Dog.

Bedge or go home.

by Ojala John on May 8, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree

with you more! Only minor trades this year: Sergio, perhaps Travis… maybe draft another Finn to stash ;)

by The Finnisher on May 9, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Antonio McDyess!!!

Veteran – check. Banger – check. Good team guy – check. Hungry as all get out – check. It seems so clear to me! Go all-in on McDyess to fill the backup PF role and draft DeJuan or bring over Freeland to take over when McD can’t do it anymore in 2-3.

by hkphooey on May 9, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

definatly

he would be a perfect vetran backup who wouldnt need alot of minutes, cuz hes getting older. He can both score and rebound, averaging nearly 10 points and 10 rebounds this season. If we could somehow snag Blair earlier in the draft we would be set.

by raging WebTed on May 9, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

McDyess threatened

to resign if Denver didn’t release him after the AI/Billups trade. He said things like he was done moving his family. He would either stay in Detroit or retire. Pretty sure I remember this!?!

by crakarjack on May 12, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trouble with the trades: Why would Chicago want Outlaw?

They have John Salmons at SF with Luol Deng coming back.

And I can’t see NY being very interested in Sergio, certainly not to the extent of giving up their #8 pick. (Our #24 pick as a throw-in is not worth much — 2nd rounders might be better this year because of $$$.) Top ten picks always create fan excitement, so they tend to be overvalued — and if someone is drafted who outdoes expectations, a la Batum, it’s seen in retrospect as a real coup.

One other point: Why target Powe? Why not Carl Landry? I doubt he’s available in any case, but I also doubt the Blazers would trade for a bad knee.

But this was a good post, generating realistic thought. Thanks.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 8, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Carl Landry is under contract with the Houston Rockets and not going anywhere.

I do agree that anyone who thinks Sergio Rodriguez has that kind of trade value is kidding themselves.

Lastly, the Chicago Bulls would be interested in Travis Outlaw due to his salary for next season being non-guaranteed if he’s waived by 6/30/2009. For a cash-strapped team looking to re-sign Ben Gordon without going over the luxury tax next season, fiscal prudence is of the utmost importance.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was actually being ironic when I mentioned Landry,

in the sense of “Why not just pick any playoff team’s productive backup 4?” I think in reality there’s a possibility we can address this perceived need through the draft. Maybe at a somewhat higher position than #24.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 8, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I picked Powe

before he had the injury, as I stated above, I started working on this post a week or two ago. Which is why I added the “update” in the middle of the post. Powe is a FA this year, which is why I thought he was more obtainable than Landry or any other player under contract. A trade is available to make, if we can get a team to do that, but I chose to go the FA route.

by usmcr3049 on May 8, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prediction

Luol Deng is moved possibly for Hamilton

by jlarose78 on May 8, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's more likely that Luol Deng would be moved for Tayshaun Prince than Richard Hamilton, but I ...

don’t ever see divisional rivals making what essentially amounts to a lateral move like that under any circumstances.

by AK1984 on May 8, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A simpler approach

would be to just target Ramon Sessions (people who haven’t, should check his stats, videos and interviews) and Tashawn Prince. Ditch Rodriquez, Outlaw and Frye, keep Blake and try for a quality banger in the draft or get the Birdman, if possible. Quick was talking Trevor Arriza also, which is an interesting idea.

by crosley57 on May 8, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Sessions, but

The guy might be the worst 3 point shooter who plays a guard position in the NBA.

He can fit in the right role, but I’m not sure this is the best team for him.

Love the Ariza idea though- him and Batum basically becoming Portland’s version of Battier and Artest to just throw at swingmen scorers would be fantastic.

by dprodigy19 on May 8, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sessions just will not shoot the 3

even in his highest scoring games (35 or so) he didn’t even attempt one. Makes one really wonder about how his J from 18 ft. When I saw him all he shot were floaters… or went all the way to the rack and drew fouls.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 8, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boston gets along

With Rondo as a terrible shooter both from the foul line & 3pt line. Even his 18 foot jumper is supsect.

Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson
Sign Othello Hunter & DJ Mbenga(Both for big man depth)

by TheGreatDane17 on May 8, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Portland's starting swingmen

Were Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, I wouldn’t worry.

by dprodigy19 on May 9, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sessions hasn't shot enough 3 ptr's

and has a good enough FT% to be worthy of consideration as a shooter, at the price the Blazers might get him for. I’d bet he fits the “culture” based on his deportment. While he might not be a CP3, (still, check Sessions stats vs. CP3’s 1st year) he complements what Blake does. Blake can shoot the 3’s. He drives and dishes, teardrops, has court vision, has lateral quickness. Scouting reports suggest he’s a Nate kind of guy, with good defense. He’s a better gamble than Hindrich is, given his age, potential and cost. Since he’s a RFA, if nothing else, make Milw. pay for him if they choose to match.

by crosley57 on May 8, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sessions has a high ceiling too

I mentioned him above and got pretty much shot down. I love your point about him complementing what Blake does, plus I think him getting in the lane makes Greg so much better. What I really like about Sessions is that he is an ELITE passer. He averaged 7.5 assists over the second half of the year last year when he started and 15ppg. Also, an interesting note is that KP really liked him when we worked Sessions out pre-draft, so you know KP has been following his career.

by mballer225 on May 9, 2009 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick must be reading my posts.....

as he’s probably THE only player on this planet that can properly bother LeBron James. What is that worth for the next 4-5 years for a team like the Blazers? Gold…

by as11osu on May 9, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luke!

We’re discussing adding Kirk Heinrich, why not give Luke Ridenour a look? I mean he’s played with the Olympic team, can hit the J as well as drive, good court vision and passing, excellent free-throw shooter, and would have that hometown-hero effect.

Granted, he is not a great individual defender (the sonics always used to take him out and bring in Watson on defensive possessions late) but that’s what we’ve got Batum for.

All day baby, all day!

by LMA All Day on May 8, 2009 11:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ridnour is a downgrade from Blake

What does he do better than Blake? Not great at setting up an offense, not an assist machine, not a good defender, not a great shooter.

It’s true that Blake is not a great PG, but I think we’re getting to the point where we’re seeing greener grass everywhere we look. If we’re getting a new point, it needs to be a real upgrade. Not a lateral move, and definitely not a player who brings less to the table.

2 hot 2 stop it

by dan_the_man on May 8, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a small upgrade, but then again we may not even need that.

Luke brings better size and athleticism, and a stronger all-around offensive game. He can create his own shot late in the clock a few times where steve usually settles for a long three or a pass too late.

But point taken on the greener grass, Steve is an adequate player in the position and perhaps shoring up the back PF position and Greg developing a strong inside game we won’t need to anyone better than Blake to start. Though I am admittedly excited to see if this year Bayless sets a goal to become a more versatile PG this summer. Because if he can match Steve’s passing he’ll truly threaten that starting spot.

All day baby, all day!

by LMA All Day on May 8, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luke is awful.

Fans like him though, he had more all-star votes than Roy for some crazy reason. I guess sometimes it pays to be a white PG in Milwaukee.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't get the love that some people have for Luke Ridnour.

Back at SonicsCentral, I debated with some guys who argued that Ridnour would develop into the next Steve Nash. Suffice it to say, things didn’t turn out that way.

by AK1984 on May 9, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post!

But i can’t help but feel that if something happened to Kirk our team would be in deep trouble. Bayless just doesnt seem to be ready for the role that our starting point guard would have to play in the case of an injury. That being said, if what they say about bayless’ work ethic is true then his off season development could completely change my feeling.

I would definately be psyched about kirk but feel queasy at the thought of having to defend “the birdman” in the face of other NBA fans.

Impressive work though, it is obvious why Dave put it on the main page.

by Croatian_Sensation on May 9, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this is crazy

The Blazers are weak at PG… and your plan is to scrap both Blake and Rodriguez for… Hinrich?

I’m not convinced that Hinrich is an upgrade to Rodriguez, let alone Blake. Hinrich can D up bigger PG’s and 2’s, but the move the league is making is towards small, penetrating guards who can finish near the rim or pass. Hinrich and, unfortunately, Westbrook, are looking to be a Maginot Line of PG’s. We don’t need him. He doesn’t shoot as well as Blake and as I just established, won’t match up well with the future elite PG’s, so why pick him up, especially given that he’d be the highest paid guy on the team. I guess he is white so that is a plus, but seriously.

Don’t forget, Bayless is not and will never be a PG.If he can learn to play D on the opponents quickest guards, he is uber-valuable, but otherwise he needs to learn to shoot or he is wasted on this team. Rodridguez showed me alot towards the end of this season and I think deserves a solid 20 mpg through the balance of 2009 to put up or shut up.

At forward, yeah, Leon Powe is attractive. It should be clarified if he has a micro-fracture (NOT a big deal) or having microfracture surgery (a HUGE deal). Micro-fracture the condition is essentially advanced shin-splints, microfracture the procedure means he has deteriorating knees at age 24 or whatever and is probably out 6 months minimum.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on May 9, 2009 12:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No... THIS is crazy.

You seem like a smart basketball fan so I’m just going to assume you don’t watch a lot of Bulls games. Hinrich is pretty amazing, you really need to watch him for a while to really see all the stuff that he does out there.

I would rank him as one of the top 15 point guards in the league based upon what he does on both ends of the floor. Blake is probably in the top 25, and Sergio is in the top 50… maybe.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 9, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Google

“Kirk Hinrich scouting report”
Most of what you will find will say that Hinrich is an excellent permeter defender, that can guard both guard positions with effectiveness. He is a good shooter, but he can also be streaky great at times. He can drive the lane very well, and is very very good at running the pick and roll. Sounds like the perfect point guard for Nate’s offense.

by usmcr3049 on May 9, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how you talk about how the league is moving to penetrating guards

And then completely ignore (forget?) Kirk Hinrich’s handling of D-Wade in the playoffs the year the Bulls spanked the Heat.

The best way to beat a trend is to have the antidote.

by dprodigy19 on May 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather trade for Kirk Hinrich to handle threats like Dwyane Wade and, moreover, sign ...

a cheap, cost-effective defensive specialist like Ime Udoka via free agency to handle LeBron James — who’d make mincemeat out of the lankier Nicolas Batum — if the situation arises next season.

by AK1984 on May 9, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ime versus LeBron

you’re a hoot…. Ariza is it. Only guy in the league that can bother LBJ. ONLY. Maybe they’ll be someone like Aminu a couple years down the road, but we don’t have a couple years down the road to wait, or the ability to be in a position to draft said guy. Give me Ariza….

by as11osu on May 9, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum is still a rookie.

He isnt going to be like outlaw who can not possibly put more musscle on. He did a decant job on Lebron in p-town, and wasnt even there when we took them to O.T.. He will do a much better job than someone like Ime. Plus you really have to play good team defense to stop Lebron, if thats even possible. Or at least slow him down.

by raging WebTed on May 9, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having two specialty defenders (Ariza) can be helpful

Having Artest and Battier makes Houston so much more tough than they were before. They’re legitimately multiple levels better than they were with McGrady. Ariza can help slow down the bigger perimeter guys, small forwards with some bulk, leaving Batum to shut down, or at the very least mitigate the Kobe Bryant’s and D-Wade’s of the world. Its necessary to admit these deficiencies now while we can more readily tweak our lineup, than in 3 years when we’re up against LBJ in the Finals and we can’t do anything about him. I LOVE Bass, but Ariza is the long term, eye on the prize type of guy we need to finish what we’ve begun this year. Use the rest of your pieces to move up for Blair. They’re are lots of acceptable potential PF’s we can look at, if not this year but next. Ariza is the only guy in the league that can potentially bother LBJ for an entire series.

by as11osu on May 9, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love Ariza

But the problem is that there just aren’t minutes for Roy, Rudy, Ariza, and Batum. I mean, you’ve gotta take the depth if you can get it, but it’s hard to see how the minutes shake out in the long term with all those guys.

The team I’m terrified to see Trevor on (potentially) is the Team that Must Not Be Named. Trevor + Durant + Green + Westbrook = Scary

by dprodigy19 on May 10, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're "terrified"? They would be "scary"?

I think I’ll wait to wet my pants about the Thunders until they actually make the playoffs.

by MiledAnimal on May 10, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Make the playoffs?

I’ll wait until they at least break .500!!

by dbomb on May 12, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerryd will never be a point?

Are you serious? How can you say that after one season? Point guards traditionally take a long time to develop so give him a chance.

by sPresley on May 9, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a fun post to read. Thank you!

Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!

by broyposse on May 9, 2009 9:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One guy I haven't heard too much of is Antoine Jamison,

I know he just had surgery, but he’s supposed to fully recover… He’d be an awesome fit for us… Wizards are down, might want to deal for draft picks + sergio and outlaw.

"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"

by two buck chuck on May 9, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry if I wasn't clear...

Antawn Jamison for Sergio, Oulaw, and draft picks

"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"

by two buck chuck on May 9, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Offense is important too, ya know?

Here’s the thing: we have three defensive specialists with suspect offensive games in Batum, Oden, and Pryzbilla. I honestly don’t see Oden developing into a Shaq type of offensive threat where he can score 30 any given night. Do you? The bulk of his offense seems to be offensive rebound put-backs, and if we can get him the ball very close to the rim. Batum has the most offensive promise of the three, but still he doesn’t seem to be a go-to scorer. I don’t think I have to explain the lack of offense in Pryzzy’s game. A guy like Antawn Jamison could come in and give us a legitimate threat to score from the 3 or 4 position, plus I’d say he’s an upgrade defensively from Outlaw.

"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"

by two buck chuck on May 9, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you can find guys that can score the ball

that aren’t complete voids defensively like Jamison is. He’s like Outlaw in that he’s equally adept at sucking defending both perimeter players and post players. Its not rocket science, finding guys that can score one way or another and do a decent job at defending one position. Jamison uses up possessions at a low efficiency level offensively and he makes your defense worse. Why not go give Z-Bo a call and see if he wants to jack up some more shots?

by as11osu on May 9, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the thing...

I’m just throwing names out there of decent players who we can realistically get. I don’t think that we can realistically get Kirk Hinrich. Maybe we can, I don’t know. Pick anyone on the wizards, they will be willing to deal, maybe we can get someone for cheap. Look at the Pau Gasol trade.. Gasol isn’t known for his D, but the Lakers got him for a good deal, and he transformed them into title contenders.

"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"

by two buck chuck on May 9, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the thing,

I think I say here’s the thing too much… must be american idol rubbing off on me :)

"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"

by two buck chuck on May 9, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to share with you

that verbal fluff is like, common, basically. Let me say this: the usage of unnecessary words and they can even be big words and wrong syntax, and passive sentence construction is used too much; in other words, actually.

by MiledAnimal on May 10, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

crackin’ me up dude

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 11, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

one thing

the #8 overall pick whose ceiling is the backup 4 and the 8th or 9th man in a rotation? otherwise, well thought out

by axel360 on May 9, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

usmcr3049 -

You’ve done a good job of presenting your ideas and making your case.

I like the idea of getting Hinrich. I don’t think that Sergio + #24 is near enough to get #8, though. And like others, I’d stay away from Powe until he’s able to prove that he can recover.

And, as others have said, if the Blazers are under the cap, they lose all their exceptions. Think of it this way – the basic rule of the cap is that you cannot make a move that puts you more than $100,000 over the cap unless you have an exception large enough to make the move. But exceptions are just that – exceptions to the basic rule. So if you’re under the cap, you don’t have exceptions because you aren’t breaking the basic rule.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Short salary question regarding exceptions

For a trade on draft day as usmcr and I have outlined ideas, would you have to absorb the current salary or the upcoming salary in the following season. For Sergio, the difference would be pretty big almost doubling his salary, though e.g. NY could still be able to absorb it with one of their 4 exceptions (the largest $1.369 from the Balman trade).

by Norsktroll on May 9, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Current salary amounts apply on draft day

Next season’s salary amounts don’t kick in until July 1st.

The Knicks’ largest trade exception ($1.37 million) is large enough that today, or on/around draft day, the Knicks could take in Sergio and not have to send out any salary. However, come July 1st when Sergio’s contract becomes more than $1.5 million, this will not true.

by Storyteller on May 9, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks. Now I'm rooting for NY not to move up in the lottery :)

My other idea was with the Bucks, but more could be possible. While I don’t think moving up will secure us Rubio (only in a dream scenario), it could be very helpful to secure the services of Blair or another capable guard (though of course that would be another project). Or to acquire a pick that is again valuable for a second trade. So many possibilities.

by Norsktroll on May 9, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BIRDMAN!!!!!11!!11!!!

That’s all I’m saying. Dude would totally look in place on Hawthorne.

Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done

by SuperDave on May 9, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe

that if there are errors to be made they should be errors of loyalty.

I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!

by Kampeska on May 9, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A few comments on a long post

usmr3049:

You wrote a long and detailed scenario, that’s fun, but I think you plan’s full of big holes. To wit:

1.) No way the Knicks make that trade— you very much over-estimate the trade value of Sergio, and how the media in New York would view the deal, NY Knicks management moves back 16 spots in a thin draft for a Portland PG who couldn’t even unseat Blake, or beat out Jarrett Jack? When has Donnie Walsh EVER done anything like that before? Extremely, extremely unrealistic from the get-go, and decimates the rest of your scenario.

2.) Hinrich isn’t all that great, not enough to make him the highest-paid player on the team, or expect that he adds much that’s new. He’s primarily a jump shooter, and his career 3-point is 38% (ESPN profile), which is only OK, not great, especially for a PG. Adding an expensive, jump-shooting PG who can’t get to the free throw line very much doesn’t look to me like a worthy investment for this team, or what it needs to step up to a championship level. Yeah, he’s a good perimeter defender, but in a couple of years he will be 30 and starting on the downside, and the Blazers either have someone already (Bayless) or can draft someone who will likely be just as good as a defender for a much longer time than Hinrich can help. Hey, I’m from Kansas and I like to see a Jayhawk do well, but your crush on Hinrich is again unrealistic.

3.) The reports I read were that Powe had microfracture surgery for cartilage repair, along with the ligament reconstruction, so he’s out a long time, and with his fairly muscular height/weight/body frame, is a significant risk for not every being as athletic as he was before the injury. Too much risk for too little gain.

4.) Why would Freeland come over if he sees the team sign two older, experienced backup power forwards, that he has to fight with for any playing time at all? And then we spend an 8 pick on another power forward? You think his agent’s going to jump on that deal, have him buried on Portland’s bench until he’s what, 25 years old or more? Not likely, I think.

5.) Blair’s out of reach at 24, probably even in the high teens. Patterson just went back to Kentucky, which thins out things even more in the 20’s, and if anyone else wants to trade down to get a PF like Blair, we will be competing with them. Yeah, I’ve seen Blair play, he’s a truck, but how much will translate to the NBA? Who is he going to guard in the Western Conference playoffs? Think he can rebound well against Houston’s front line? Offensively I don’t see him being anything like an Elton Brand or Charles Barkley or other short body/long arm types who still do double-digit points every night, and GM’s may grow a bit cool on him if he turns out to be considerably less than his listed 6ft 7 inches.

6.) I think if your scenario were accomplished, Portland would be potentially very vulnerable at the point guard position if Hinrich got injured (which just happened within the past year!). You’d have Bayless, potential but little experience and might not be able to become a decent PG in the end, or Collison, who has even less experience and athleticism. Who do we beat in the playoffs if we’ve got those two at the point?

Anyway, that’s all interesting speculation but highly unrealistic for your scenario, I believe. More likely is that Portland will just have to show some patience and see how the rest of their young talent from 2007, 2008 and this year’s draft develops and fits together. I don’t see a free agent addition that will move them past the Lakers next year, and I don’t envision the Blazers as a serious finals contender for a couple more years— if you are hoping for June basketball in the Rose Garden, I think it’s 2011 at the earliest, and perhaps more likely 2012.

by Wheatboy74 on May 9, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for your thoughts

1. I think NY would do it, because Sergio is a better PG for their system than anyone they can get at #8, and they still get a 1st round pick out of it. And yes NY has done something close to that before, just last summer they signed Chris Duhan as a FA to be their starting point guard, when no one thought he was worth a penny. Obviously it is not the same thing, but it is NY paying a small cost to get a player people are down on and give him a chance. Plus Sergio’s contract is up after this year, so if he doesn’t work out, they clear even more space for 2010, which seems like something they are still doing.

2. I believe Hinrich is much better than you do, so that is the basis of my arguement here. He is a very good defender, teams avg almost 6.5 more points per 100 when he was off the floor, something this team needs at the point in the west. He is a very good leader, and plays well in the playoffs, avg 15.8ppg, 3.6rebs, and 6.1asts in them, also something this team needs. He shoots 38% from 3, which is nothing to put down. He runs the pick and roll way better than anyone on the Blazers, and creates off of it for himself and his teammates, something Blake just can’t seem to do. He would add alot to this team both offensively and defensively.

3. I know there is a risk with Powe, but buying low on a guy like that can sometimes prove to be a huge steal. I wroth most of that part of this post before he was hurt, so I am not quite as high on him now as I was. But I still think if he can be signed for a small contract it would be worth the risk. My gut tells me that he will now resign with Boston though, so your point stands. Even with Powe out, I think Smith would be a good one year option, or maybe 2 at the most. Having him and Freeland as the back up pf’s would still put this team in a good spot I believe.

4. I believe he will come over this year, not because of what the Blazers can offer him, but because I believe he has a real burning desire to play in the NBA. Maybe with Powe going down and making that less appealing his potential playing time will go up. However he has done nothing yet to warrant giving him any playing time guarantees, and I don’t think KP would do that anyways. If he is afraid of competing for playing time, then he doesn’t belong in the NBA.

5. Yes Blair would be out of reach at 24, but as I said above I think the Blazers can get a deal done with NY for their #8 pick and Blair will be available there. But even if they can’t move up, Blair is not the only PF banger in the draft. None of the PF’s after Griffin are for sure, they are all a gamble, so pick the best of what you got at 24 if we can’t move up. I just believe the team needs a hungry big man to push the vets in practice, and for the fans to root for in blowouts.

6. Your right about being possibly thin at point, and if KP thinks so, he might sign a vet pg to man the 3rd pg spot. Someone like T. Lue, or B. Knight would be fine for me. I don’t see it as much of a problem unless Hinrich or Bayless have season ending injuries. As both Roy and Rudy can play spot minutes at the point if one of them goes down for a few games. I don’t believe we can plan on what if’s though, injuries happen, and with this plan I believe we are as well prepared for them as possible. Sure we could have a 3rd pg who is capable of running a playoff team, but sits on the bench for 75+ games in a suit, or we could have a 3rd center who does the same thing, but I don’t believe it is needed or realistic.

Thanks again for your agruments to my plan, you bring up some good points, and I think we just disagree on some others. But this will be a fun summer to watch no?

by usmcr3049 on May 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe yes, maybe no

Back at ya…

1. This is probably the major area of disagreement. I think NY taking Sergio to give us the 8th pick, when we already have their 2nd round pick and they have pretty much zilcho to show for the Zbo trade— it’s only human nature. And I don’t think at all that signing Duhon is comparable to trading down 16 slots in a weak draft, for a team that has major holes like the Knicks. I’ve had the pleasure of living both in Portland and in New York City, and I’m pretty sure the Knicks would get crucified in the NY media market if they make that trade and miss out on any chance at Lawson, Curry, Blair, Teague, etc, picks who are expected to go well before 24. I don’t think Sergio’s enough of an upgrade for it to be attractive to them. Hey, why not post the idea on some of the Knicks blogs and see what their fans think?

2. I agree, we will not agree on this one.

3. Yes, re Powe, I agree, it’s more likely he ups with Boston and rehabs, signs for shorter money to re-establish himself. I’m neutral on Smith, would like to review how he stacks up in the Western Conference before making an opinion.

4. Still disagree. Part of what the Blazers have to offer him is a chance to get on the floor for significant minutes in the not-too-distant future. If your original plan went through and both Powe and Smith were on board, with Nate as coach on a 50-win team, you think Freeland envisions a lot of playing time before 2012? Signing Powe to a Blazers contract basically means that Powe’s out in 2009-2010, then back in the 2010-2011 season to re-establish himself: so Portland gives him a 2-year commitment, while Smith takes up the backup minutes next year at least. By default, Freeland doesn’t get significant minutes for the next two years, and if they like Powe better, then Freeland won’t see the floor much at all as a Blazer, Even if he has a “burning” desire for the NBA, he’s still young and he doesn’t have to do it here. Eventually his rights lapse and he might get a better chance somewhere else. As it is now, he would basically be in an even less advantageous position than Sergio was when he came over… and everyone can see how that worked out. Re fear of competition vs. making a good choice: I don’t think it’s a moral failing to look for the team that gives you the best chance the soonest.

5. I agree that the Blazers need some backup PF muscle to help the bench compete with Houston, Denver, etc.

6. Still dunno if Bayless will end up making a good enough PG for this team, it’s a central issue for the next season.

Yes, this summer will be a big test of Portland management and the coaching staff, to find out if they make the right moves to improve the team.

by Wheatboy74 on May 10, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you make a good arguement

It will be interesting to see what happens this summer.

One quick note, the Blazers rights to Freeland don’t expire as far as I know. Remember we drafted Sabonis like 50 years before he ever signed and came over. And the Spurs had to trade the rights to Scola for him to sign with Houston even after a few years. Can’t find anything on it right now, but I am pretty sure if he wants to come to the NBA it has to be with the Blazers. Unless he stops playing bball over in Europe for a year.

by usmcr3049 on May 11, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oden

u talk of bringing in a coach to help him on offense. i dont know if youre a fan of projections but what do u seem him averaging next year for points? i dont see his field goal percentage ever going under 53 so that wont be a problem.

but PPG, what do u think? i personally think hes going to improve very much just from getting excess body weight off. this will lead to less bad fouls, which will lead to more minutes, which will lead a slightly dramatic increase in scoring. then, to add on top of that, he has the summer to work on specific post moves and free throws. so i dont see how he could average less than 12 points on a great percentage. i also think if they actually focus on getting him the ball…that number could be in the 15-17 points range, but that is being a little optimistic.

And another thing….what is your opinion of Greg playing with USA team to train for the 2010 worlds? i mean its clearly good, but i wouldnt want that to interfere with his individual growth. largely skill development is just putting your time in the gym working on specific things like a jump hook with either hand or 12 foot jumper or hitting free throws at a better clip than like 65 percent that he was at. i dont know when these workouts begin or how long they are, i just hope they dont screw up his schedule. it will help tho too, so it will probably just end up being good.

well ill end it with a predicition of his major statistical categories for next year and eventually his prime

next year: 13.6 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.1bpg
Prime: let me preface this by saying i love em and think he can still be an incredily great player and ultimately a hall of famer, so dont be as shocked as u normally would be by these numbers…here

24 ppg, 12 rpg, 3.5 bpg. only if they give em the oppourtunities. he will very good regardless. hopefully he will be a defensive stalwart with an efficient offensive game at the very very least

by saveourbluths on May 10, 2009 3:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For Oden

I think he just needs to cut down on the fouls, and learn some patiences on the offensive end. I don’t expect a “howard” type year from Greg next season. Take his per 36 min numbers this year and that is about what I believe he should avg next year.

by usmcr3049 on May 10, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of the changes mentioned in this article will put the Blazers over the top

This leads me to believe that this team does not have what it needs just yet to get to the finals. It might take next off season rather than this one to put it all together. My theory is that they will certainly add some role player peices in the draft, perform a trade with Sergio and maybe Outlaw, but other than that they will hold generally pat and continue younger player growth with the eye that next off season they make a championship decision.

by Sonic Boom on May 10, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He looks bigger than I remember...

He might be able to be that much needed 3rd center on top of being a 3rd power forward. His offensive game still looks a little raw, and he most of his buckets are off passes from penetration, but that’s not a huge deal if he can board it like the numbers suggest he can do.

by as11osu on May 10, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has the same size and about the same built as Channing

But plays closer to the basket.

"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle

by Norsktroll on May 10, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's big enough

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 11, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been watching the Lakers/Rocket series...

and I think the Blazers should maybe try to bring in Kyle Lowry in some sort of trade. He would be a good back up point guard.

by jenstcy on May 10, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I must take issue with your numbers

You start with a committed salary figure of $50,567,802, but you neglect to account for Freeland & Koponen, whose rookie salary figures count against our cap during the offseason even if we don’t bring them over. At $824,200 each, that brings us up to $52,216,202. Adding in the value of our #24 pick takes us up to $53,149,702, which would only leave us about $4.1M in capspace (assuming the $57.3M figure you presented).

Exchanging Blake/Outlaw for Hinrich cuts in even further, as $7.6M in salary is being exchanged for $9.5M, reducing our available caproom to $2.2M. Assuming we hadn’t renounced our exceptions, we would actually have no capspace at all. We’d probably be able to sign a backup 4 with our MLE, but we certainly won’t have the $6.5M in space you suggested.

by ptldplatypus on May 10, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You make some good points

I was not aware that players drafted but playing overseas had a cap hold during the summer, it makes sense that they would, but I can’t find it on the salary cap website at the moment.

You are also right about our own draft pick having a cap hold, so that pick, unless we trade it, (which is something I would rather do, I just can’t find a good option, hopefully KP will) will count against the cap money this team will have.

On Blake and Outlaw’s salaries, Storyteller, who assured everyone that the salaries he has listed for Blake and Outtlaw are 100% accurate, has them at $4 million and $3.6 million, totally $7.6 million as you stated. But for this post I used another salary info site which listed different salaries for next year. We talked about this higher up in the comments with storyteller.

One thing you missed was the trade with NY actually added some cap room for the Blazers. Because the total value of Sergio’s salary + the cap hold of our pick, was greater than the cap hold of their pick, adding about $400K in cap space.

I think you and others here in the comments have been able to show that the Blazers will not have alot of “cap space” this summer like they hoped. Unfortunately with Miles contract back on the books they will have very little to work with.

by usmcr3049 on May 11, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unsigned 1st round picks do have a cap hold in the summer

http://nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_4.php

It’s in Article VII, Section 4-e-2

Basically, once the regular season starts, if you have unsigned 1st round picks that have a contract with another team, their cap hold drops off until the next July 1st when it goes back against the cap. It’s why I keep guys like Koponen and Freeland on my spreadsheet even after the season starts – because their cap hold will kick in again ‘next summer’.

by Storyteller on May 11, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the deal with Frederic Weis?

The Frenchman will most likely never play in the NBA, but the Houston Rockets still own his draft rights — which were acquired from the New York Knicks for Patrick Ewing, Jr. this past summer —therefore, I’m curious if the franchise will have a $1,398,200 cap hold on its books this off-season for him unless he’s renounced by team management.

by AK1984 on May 11, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we all know Vince Carter posterized Frederic Weis; however, most folks don't ...

know that Jeff Van Gundy’s hardass ways made the 7-footer cry all the way back to France.

Can’t imagine a more suitable time to divulge, as promised, how Jeff ruthlessly ran Frederic Weis out of the country. Because of the then-Knicks coach’s boorish behavior, the 7-foot Frenchman has been branded the worst draft choice (No. 15 in ’99 when Ron Artest was still on tap) in Knicks history.

When debating this issue, keep in mind Weis never was expected by interim GM Ed Tapscott to become any more than a solid role player understudying Ewing. He was to be just a piece, so all his “stats” since are irrelevant, it says here.

It’s also important to remember Jeff was flexing muscle at the time. He was fresh from undermining Ernie Grunfeld out of his president/GM job and reaching the Finals on the lengthy defensive forte of Marcus Camby (and Latrell Sprewell), whom he refused to play early and often to spite his later deposed boss (and himself) to avenge trading Charles Oakley.

The night Dave Checketts fired Grunfeld on orders from above (it was either-or, Marc Lustgarten dcreed), he called to inform me of his tortured decision.

“Jeff will be fired immediately after the season,” he vowed . . . a plan that had to be postponed due to unforeseen clement success.

OK, so here are the Knicks preparing for the summer league and Weis shows up. Though unsigned, he’d agreed to work out, but it was implicit he could play but a couple games on account of French national team obligations.

“Those first workouts were indicative of what was in store for Fred,” said a forward observer. "He had little English skills, especially when you hear most Americans speak ‘English.’ He was capable of speaking and understanding, but it was at best, faulty.

“Jeff began drills by propping Frederic first in line, explaining how the drill has to be done, using NY slang and NBA basketball jargon,” the source continues.

“Fred is instantly lost, comprehending maybe half of what’s being said. The drills go very badly. Jeff loses patience after two minutes and starts hurling insults, his usual freakin’ sissy routine. From then on it was expletive this and expletive that as Weis got lost in every aspect of what Jeff was trying to implement tactically.”

That abuse carried over to the summer league, where Weis played lost and Jeff handled him like he had leprosy. The final straw was when Weis offered to play the first half of the third game; he had a flight to catch (to France) and the time factor only allowed him to play that much, shower and get to the airport.

“Jeff sent him off with a tongue-lashing and a ‘no need to play’ the first half because ‘the Knicks don’t need you,’ " recounted the source.

Back in the hotel, while packing his bags, Weis, teary-eyed, swore he’d never have anything to do with the Knicks and Jeff after such mistreatment.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03062009/sports/moresports/shaq_cant_stan_d_van_gundy_158299.htm?&page=0

That, however, doesn’t answer my question about whether or not the Houston Rockets will have a cap hold on Weis this off-season due to owning his draft rights.

Anyway, with regards to Van Gundy, I must admit that I’m a huge fan of his cutthroat nature.

by AK1984 on May 12, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no wholesale changes!

trading away half the roster will get us nowhere. And we’re gonna trade Sergio to the Knicks to move up and take a banger?

No what we need to dos is trade up in the draft, but do so to get one of the elite point guards in this year’s draft. Rubio, Lawson, or Curry would all be a huge upgrade at the point. We trade Sergio, and start Blake for continuity and to help mentor the new PG, with the thought being he will eventually be getting most of the minutes. And Bayless IS NOT A PG, as good as he is, he’s more of a scoring off-guard, and we need a PG, especially with names like Nash, Parker, Paul, Williams, and young guys like Russell Westbrook and Aaron Brooks and we’re going to need a PG that can keep up.

At every other position we’re money, and we have one of the best benches in the league, but imagine if Blake was our 2nd string PG, then that unit would be even more solid.

Trade :Sergio Rodriguez, Travis Outlaw, and our 1st rounder (and maybe 1 of our 4 2nd rounders)

Get Back: Gomes and 5th pick? Hakim Warrick and the 6th pick? Even a trade with New Jersey or Charlotte would net us one of those 3 guys.

You clear room at the point for a young stud, and clear up the logjam at the 3 a little, adding a guy that can play the 3 or the 4 for a little more versatility (someone has to guard Lamar Odom!)

by rip_city_swagger on May 11, 2009 1:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe

I presented any “wholesale changes” In fact only 2 rotation players were affected at all, the same amount if the Blazers did as you just proposed, (trade Sergio/Travis for a player and a pick). The deep bench of this team will be changed, Randolph + will all be gone, so there will be some new players next year. But i agree with you that i don’t want to see major changes to the rotation players from this year.

I think you give up on Bayless too early, he has a jumpshot, as he proved in Summer league, in college, and during his extended playing time while Blake was out. Maybe you forgot, but in a back up role, Bayless was pretty good.
20.1 mpg, 48%FG, 42%3pt, 85%FT, .5 stls, 1.5TO’s, 1.9rebs, 2.8asts, 9.6pts.
Not a bad line for a rookie. When Bayless got time, he produced well for a rookie, and he deserves a shot next year to be the full time back up. He can get to the line, (he avg 3.9 FT’s per game while Blake was out), and make his FT’s, (85%). Score from deep, (42%3pt, 5-12), and drive the hole and finish. He can improve, and must improve, but he has shown enough to make the Blazers keep him and give him a shot.

If the Blazers can land Rubio or Lawson, I am all for it, but Curry is just Bayless x2, so no point in drafting him unless you are trading Bayless away for something better.

by usmcr3049 on May 11, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you're out of it.

1. Neither Minnesota nor Memphis would agree to those hilariously lopsided trades in a million years.

2. The Minnesota trade couldn’t even be completed until before the July moratorium due to Ryan Gomes currently being a base-year compensation player and, moreover, couldn’t be completed after the July moratorium due to the lopsided salaries at that point between Gomes ($4,017,500) versus Travis Outlaw ($3,600,000) and Sergio Rodriguez ($1,576,696).

3. Hakim Warrick is a restricted free-agent this off-season, so that squashes that pie in the sky proposal.

4. Your pipe dream ideas of essentially stealing lottery picks aside, neither Gomes nor Warrick are good defenders — which is one of the biggest problems with Travis Outlaw — so bringing in either one of them would be a pointless lateral move.

by AK1984 on May 11, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given this some thought, have you? lol

Good post, I admit I didn’t read all of it but the parts I read I agree mostly with.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on May 11, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Everything sounds good except for the Blake trade idea.

Hinrich is expensive, but whatever, and Joe Smith or Brandon Bass would be a good acquisitions.

It’s not safe to assume that Bayless will be a legit point guard or get a jumper for that matter. Aside from being a Steve Blake fan, I think that it would be a bad move to trade him because he’s a proven NBA journeyman point who shoots 42% from 3 for dirt cheap. In a worst case scenario of Hinrich being injured and Bayless not panning out, the PTBs would be in serious trouble.

by Benjamanic on May 11, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Possibilities...

Lee isn’t coming (wants more money and minutes than the Blazers could offer) and he isn’t what the Blazers need most.

Powe is a pretty good target but somebody probably offers him more money / more minutes than Pritchard would and Boston will think hard about matching.

Outlaw would have max value to a poor team and poor team’s usually have little desirable. But a few might.

Birdman is a good value but they probably wouldn’t take or get him.

Varejao would be an outstanding fit. I’d make him as big an offer as prudently possible. But it probably won’t work.

by StatRaven on May 11, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Powe's knee is shredded

This is about the third time that he has gone down with a serious injury to the same knee. I say, let him go back to Boston, I hope he’s fully recovered, and let’s let some other team figure out whether he is fully recovered or not. – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 11, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A NEW DRAFT IDEA

I like the idea of trading up in the draft but only if we can get one of the following two players:

1. Brandon Jennings – PG – Ht: 6-1 – He is extremely quick and explosive. Plays with cockiness and confidence. His wingspan and leaping ability put him in a rare category of point guards. Defensively, he has very quick hands and great lateral footspeed allowing him to stay in front of even the quickest guards. Showed mental toughness and he deserves some credit for sticking through a difficult situation, where he encountered a new culture, a coaching change and inconsistent playing time.

SEARCH “Brandon Jennings at the Jordan Classic.” ON YOUTUBE.

2. Eric Maynor – PG – Ht: 6-3 – Heady playmaker who excels in pressure situations. A fierce competitor who never backs down and always gives his all. Has excellent size and good speed and athleticism for the NBA point guard position. Excels at driving to the basket and dishing or using floaters to score. Can knock down 3 pointers and mid-range jumpers with regularity. A pest defensively both on and off the ball. Does an excellent job of protecting the ball and making smart passes. Limits his turnovers. Has excellent passing ability with quick reads and great vision. Feeds the post well and lays the ball up exquisitely on ally oops. Not to mention, he is a senior that can come in and contribute right away.

As far as potential trading partners i don’t think the Knicks will give up the 8th pick for the trades you all have suggested. It sounds like they got their eye on Curry (Lebron’s buddy) at 8. I do like the idea of getting the Bucks pick at 10, those scenarios you suggest almost sound like gifts. Other potential picks could be Minnesota 5, Golden St 7, or New Jersey 11.

Wait to the second round to find bangers. Keep in mind Freeland may come over…
Jeff Adrien from UCONN, Hansbrough, and Josh Heytvelt of Gonzaga are options.

One other guy I love in round 2 is Dionte Christmas, SG out of Temple. He is a lights out shooter, solid defender, and has a high basketball IQ.

by samface on May 12, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know this is late but I have a quick question

What makes you think that Chicago would go for your trade? they’d have Deng coming back as well as having Salmons… why would they want Outlaw?? I mean lets say they re-sign Gordon, then they’d use Salmons as the backup SF/SG and they would still have Tim Thomas as the 3rd string SF. And if they let Gordon go they would use Salmons as the starting 2 and need Hinrich as the back up PG/SG like this year. That was the biggest flaw I saw in your write up. Well besides the New York trade. Rebuilding teams seldom trade away top ten draft pick, unless it’s for a guaranteed player that can help. But that was the part of your write up that I felt would be vague anyways.

by SamGoody on May 14, 2009 12:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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