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The Season in Review: Nicolas Batum

 

 Our alphabetical post-season march through the roster continues today with Nicolas Batum. 

If you haven't read the conversation guidelines for these threads, please take a look before commenting.

There's been a request that I put last year's stats alongside this year's for comparison and I think I'll be able to do that.  In this case, obviously, they don't apply, so you only get one column.  Links to other stats are listed at the end of the post.  Feel free to explore and bring up anything you find that's significant.  That's part of the fun of doing these.

 

The stats:

Games Played

79

Games Started

76

Minutes per Game

18.4

Points per Game

5.4

FG ATT per Game

4.6

FG%

44.6%

3PT ATT per Game

2.1

3PT%

36.9%

FT ATT per Game

0.7

FT%

80.8%

Off Rebs per Game

1.1

Def Rebs per Game

1.7

Total Rebs per Game

2.8

Assists

0.9

Steals

0.6

Blocks

0.5

Turnovers

0.6

Personal Fouls

1.8

Effective FG%

53.2%

PER

12.9

Plus/Minus

+2.35

If you're looking for the most pleasant surprise of the 2008-09 roster, look no farther than Nicolas Batum.  After a Summer League performance most properly described as "comatose" most people who saw him, including me, figured that despite his obvious grace on the floor he was a couple years from contributing.  Then Martell Webster suffered his season-ending foot injury and a couple years became a couple months in short order.  Even so, with Nate McMillan's penchant for reliability and proven performance, there was at least a 50-50 chance that Batum sliding into the starting small forward role initially said as much about Travis Outlaw's suitability for the position--demonstrated in pre-season and in the first game debacle against the L*kers--as it did about Nic's readiness.  Fortunately the kid took to on-the-job training like Jimi Hendrix to a six-string.  He remained the starter throughout the season.

Batum's calling card this year was his defense.  As the year progressed he became the designated defender of the team's best small scorer.  This took pressure off of Brandon Roy, allowing him to conserve his energy in the first stages of the game and taking away much of the potential for early foul trouble against our main guy.  I'm not sure about physical durability per se, but Brandon can attribute at least some of his ability to stay on the court consistently this year to Nicolas Batum.

It's not like Nicolas revolutionized the Blazer defense.  No rookie was going to do that.  But you can't underestimate the value of knowing at least one opponent is taken care of.  That's a rare commodity on the current Blazer team.  In years past you never knew where the attack was coming from.  Nobody could stay in front of their man.  This put incredible strain on the interior defenders as well as the subsequent defensive rotations.  Nicolas' lateral speed and commitment allowed him to stay in position most of the time.  When he didn't stay in front of his guy he was often able to make a play from behind once the interior guys had slowed his man down.  Unlike some other wing defenders he never gave up on a play.  This eased the burden on those responsible for watching the paint as they could rely on at least one section of the court being covered and know that they weren't solely responsible for emergency containment from that angle.  Joel Przybilla had a fantastic defensive season mostly on his own merits.  But having Batum out there helped him a little as well.

Batum's speed and never-say-die attitude also translated into some spectacular swats from behind when the opponent was on the break.  At times he looked Michael Cooper-esque in his ability to chase down the enemy and block the layup at the last second.  It got to the point where you could call it before it happened.  That's downright amazing.

The Blazers' rebounding was slightly better when Batum was in the lineup.  Opponent free throws attempted and made were down and opponent turnovers were up.  The opponent's effective field goal percentage was actually higher when Batum was on the court but this can be partially explained by him playing almost exclusively early-half minutes against opposing starters and stars rather than against the bench.

Despite all this, there were nights when Batum was simply overmatched.  Usually this happened against bigger opponents who were also athletic...not exactly a rarity at small forward in this league.  Sometimes he would get surprised by the array of options available to NBA-caliber scorers as well.  You'd see him defend plays similarly Tuesday and Wednesday when the guys he faced on those two nights had much different tendencies.  The latter will be solved by experience.  The former, though, will require some extra strength without losing the quickness that makes him special.  Work on his body and stamina will be crucial for his continued development.

The best way to describe Batum's offensive season is "good, as far as it went".  He shot a good percentage, even more so from the three-point arc where almost half of his attempts came.  The current Portland offensive scheme has the small forward out beyond the arc on the side, waiting to receive a pass off of other players' aggressiveness.  However the small forward's game plan isn't limited to that role.  This is what Nicolas has to realize.  He is far, far too good on the drive with his speed (and on the finish with his leaping ability) to become a stand-still shooter alone.  He needs to be dunking as well as bombing. 

The way the system is set up he has to make enough threes to make him a credible threat.  Once that happens, however, the entire side of the floor opens up to him.  If he can get people closing out trying to stop his jumper he can give a little fake and then drive right by them.  If he gets half a step on the defender the world is his oyster.  (Somebody better than I will have to translate that idiom into French.  "What is this he is saying?  The globe is a slimy, shelled mollusk?")  If the defense rotates quickly to stop him he can pull up for the short jumper.  If they're even a little bit slow it's dunk city.  In either case another pass to a perpendicular cutter is a possibility.  Nic's offense is not going to improve by shooting alone.  He's going to make his money on the drive and getting fouled.

Body development and offensive aggressiveness are the two areas that will earn Batum more minutes next year and eventually turn him from a surprise starter into the small forward of the future.  And make no mistake, more than just fans are speculating that will be his exact role with this team.  As such Batum is probably the nearest player to untouchable on the team without being truly untouchable.  Other teams will be interested.  The Blazers are not likely to part with him for less than a small fortune. 

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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Nic Batum

Pritchslap No. 63.

by tominrehab on May 7, 2009 12:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I could make a "Deconstructing the Batum Myth" Fanpost

but that one might actually work…

Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related

by cloudydays on May 7, 2009 1:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i thought the joel one

actually had some truth to it too, even though i love joel.

Alston vs. Marbury could be the best or the worst thing ever.

by appel82 on May 7, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it does, considering he really doesn't help on offense

unless he gets an offensive rebound

Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related

by cloudydays on May 7, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This kid is going places

Here’s an incredibly raw 20 year old kid who managed to start for a 54 win team and, most of the time, look like he belonged. I don’t forsee him becoming an all-star, but I don’t think those of us who envision a future Tayshaun Prince are off base.

by jksnake99 on May 7, 2009 1:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think nic could be an excellent role player

I don’t necessarily see him starting though once we get Webster back. I know some people have forgotten, but as long as the foot injury isn’t nagging then Webster can and will be a monster SF.

He’s like Durant, but can play defense and knows how to pass out of a double team. I just hope he can recover from the injury…

I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.

by Eat Politicians on May 7, 2009 1:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

This is a risk…I like Martell…foot injuries dang them are tricky….

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cmon now

The dude averaged 10ppg in his best season and can’t create his own shot or shoot off the dribble. He was a passable defender at best, Batum is definitely better. Comparing him offensively to Durant is hilariously off base. I think some people have forgotten how Martell Webster actually plays in the year without him. He’s had his moments, the 24 point quarter etc, but those were far and few between, in a thus far thoroughly mediocre NBA career.

We're just kids trying to make it in this game
Trying hard to knock on that door called fame
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO

by Dheepan on May 7, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spot on

I voted him “”http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/5/865682/who-is-the-most-over-rated-blazer#15288091" target="new">most overrated" in one of the recent fanposts, since he seems to become better in the memory the longer he is injured. He was great in a pre-season game, but we need that consistently for him to even take the starting spot back much less become some KD offense + Batum defense player. But we will maybe get to that in a season preview.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately for W

He’s looking at the Qyntel Effect.

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the dirty dog

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 7, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

his lawyers are looking to the Michael Vick Effect

if they end up going to prison for torture.

by tominrehab on May 7, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely agreed about the lack of handles

but I’d say he was a slightly above-average man-on-man defender.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 7, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree and rate Batum as a slightly above average defender too. I think the most important development he could make this summer is his defense, progressing from a good defender into an elite defender. I’d love to see an elite wing defender alongside Brandon Roy and I think that may be enough to earn Batum the starting spot next season.

Second on my list of improvements would be his cutting off the ball. He’s got good instincts and moves well at times, but isn’t consistent enough with his cutting for my liking. He should watch some Trevor Ariza tapes, Ariza is an excellent cutter.

by NBR on May 7, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Given Nic's performance on Kobe during the last LA-PDX game in the RG....

…..I think you are engaging in hyperbolic understatement. Nic deserves better.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Overall, Nic is just slightly above average right now. At best. He has potential to be a great defender, but he’s not there yet.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on May 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potential is always more exciting

than what the player actually produces.
The last three years we’ve been looking for a “breakout year” from Webster. Has not happened. Doubt it ever will.

SF is where the Blazers need to make their big offseason move.

by 3pointer on May 7, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh ???

     The last three years ? He played 5 minutes last year, so essentially
he’s only played two years. (Straight out of HS)
A. He’s got a NBA SF frame. Much more muscular & physical than Batum.
B. He’s got a much better shooting form. Consistency was improving
     and the potential for great improvement was increasing with GO inside
     and the overall team improvement.
C. He had “bought” into becoming a defensive stopper and showed improvement
     in lateral quickness and physicality. More muscle and strength than Batum.
D. More aggressive rebounder, especially defensively.
E. Showed great improvement in running off screens for the catch & shoot. See
     Utah game +.
F. Looked fantasitic at the Fan Fest. He was in great shape after a summer of
     workouts, Bball at Pauley and work with a trainer and sports psycologist.
     Half the battle for young physically talented players is developing a consistant
     mental framework and confidence. That’s when self-determination takes over.

     Obviously, Martell needs to get healthy and stay healthy in order to progress, but
I still like Batuuuuum. He needs a lot of work. Notice how he dissapeared in the
Rockets series when matched up against Ron Ron or Battier. Physicality is a fact
in the NBA.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on May 7, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Unrec

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum definitely wins the "Pleasant Surprise" Award for 2009-2010

Nicolas Batum was "the most pleasant surprise of the 2008-2009 roster". Absolutely. Nic Batum came up huge for Portland as they had an injury and Nic was able to play 18+ minutes per game and produced at a respectable clip for a rookie, especially considering that expectations surrounding him prior to that were so low.

"It’s not like Nicolas revolutionized the Blazer defense"… sure "defense" was Batum’s calling card, but essentially that is ALL that Nate was willing to ask of him. Lots of people here believe Batum is THE next best defender in the NBA because he would consistently "draw the opponents best player"… when in reality that was a strategy by Nate to help prolong B.Roy and keep his fouls low. Nic Batum did a lot of good things on defense and I wouldn’t want to take anything away from that production. He showed solid on-ball defense, solid team-defense, solid transition defense and was quietly relentless as far as sticking with his assignment: Defense.

Was Nic lock-down on Defense? No, not by a long-shot.

Was Nic spectacular on Defense? A few plays, especially on transition blocked shots or avoiding contact with that skinny frame but still altering the shot.

Did Nic show enough promise to garner similar minutes next season? Yes, seems like it. Problem is that Martell Webster, Rudy Fernandez and Travis Outlaw all could get minutes at the 3 if they are all back in 2008-2009. I have a feeling that Nic’s total minutes per game are going to go down slightly… probably 15+ minutes per game in 2009-2010 if ONE of these other three guys is moved. IF all three of those other guys are still in Portland come next season, I would guess Nic gets 10+ minutes per game.

What is the likelihood of Nic Batum being traded? I would say he is very unlikely to be moved as right now he has way more value to Portland than any other team in the NBA. It is not so much that it would take, as Dave wrote "a small fortune" to move him, it is that Batum’s stock-options seem a lot more valuable to Portland shareholders… in other words, other teams don’t/won’t have nearly the same value for this prospect.

What can Nic Batum do to improve his chances of playing more and thus contributing more? Well, the short answer really should be ‘who knows’… I mean, Nate isn’t an easy coach to understand yet. Sometimes I feel like we as fans can actually see Nate "learning on the fly", like his eye’s are his poker-tell saying "hmmm, what would be the right way for me to deal with this as a head coach?". But really, Portland does NEED some things. Aggressiveness to the Rim on offense, is the first biggie. Houston took us to the RACK all nights long in the series and all that did was keep our bigs walking the fouls tight rope non-stop. Portland needs that big time. No doubt that Batum can get up and dunk and is deceptively fast, but is Nic Batum hard-wired to be a slasher in the pro’s? Can he mature into a solid offensive player who has inside-outside game? Also, Batum’s playing time fortunes aren’t simply riding on his own offensive improvement. NO, there are still questions about his defense. But, there are not questions about his dedication to defense. Nic needs more strength, more understanding of NBA players games and he must continue to be willing to expend major energy trying to lock-down offensive players… all while being able to show improvements on the offensive end.

While I like Nic Batum a ton, and I have no doubts that Batum will be a Blazer for a long time… I still believe strongly that Martell Webster will be the starter and get "starter" type minutes at the small forward for the next two seasons (esp. since Martell is basically untradeable now after that injury). To me, Webster had shown Portland consistent/steady improvement over his three seasons in the NBA, to the point where I really was expecting that breakout 14+ppg/4+rpg/3+apg/1+spg stat line out of Martell. Those stats are likely around the corner for Webster, while they are seasons away from Batum. Again, Batum is a great prospect, but there is lots of development to be done for him to be a “legit” starter in the league, rather than a more-than-solid injury replacement. To the back-seat for Batum… but if I learned one thing this season from Nic it’s that he won’t disappoint regardless of how much time he gets.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Webster is nothing like Durant whatsoever

Nic’s recently completed year was better than any year Martell has had— by a lot.

by jksnake99 on May 7, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicolas Batum IS a future all star!!!

He’s smart, and has a high basketball IQ. He’s extremely hard working, competitive and has remarkable genes. All of the above spell ALL STAR.

by Natsthecat on May 7, 2009 2:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Your spelling needs some work

(and Nic will never be an All-Star, as much as I love his game)

by Marvin100 on May 7, 2009 5:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

never is a strong word

not saying it’s probable, but it’s possible. Nick has a much better shot than Ime Udoka or Cheik Samb.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 7, 2009 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick has a much better shot than Ime Udoka or Cheik Samb.

Hehe got me there, but I think in the end we’ll look back and see them in the same number of All-Star game box scores :)

by Marvin100 on May 7, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you say never

why?

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on May 7, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd make that bet with you in a heartbeat.

And I’d bet the farm on him making the NBA All-Defensive team.

by Benjamanic on May 7, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Nic is not in the same eschelon of players as Aldridge and Roy… who are both All-Star material. I was about to say that Nic would never play for Team USA… but then I thought, “that is because he plays for the French National Team you idiot.” Nic Batum has as much potential of becoming an All-Star as he does in earning a starting role for his entire rookie season…. TOTALLY DEPENDANT ON OTHER PLAYERS BEING INJURED, and being in the right spot at the right time.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's hard to say something like that

about a 20-year-old player.

Who can really say what he will be like when he is 25? – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 7, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Same stuff was said about Jerome Kersey

Peeps that use definitives….have a chance at be big time burned…jus sayin

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard

by lee3022 on May 7, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Nic Batum will be the Blazer's most improved player next year...

I just have a feeling that he is going to come back from the off-season a lot stronger and ready to take on more of a scoring role on the first unit. He will be the reason that Trout or Martell will be wearing a different team’s jersey next year. Batum’s instincts and maturity were way beyond what I would have ever expect from a just-turned 20 athlete. Hell, my bet is that 99 % of us were focused on finding someone to buy our beer for us at his age, and he’s holding his own among the greatest athletes in the world.
I would not be suprised if Nic averages 30 mins plus, and double digits in points next year. I still think that Nic’s ceiling is extremely high, and he eventually will be posting double-doubles with regularity.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix

by philly420pdxhilo on May 7, 2009 2:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oden will be the most improved

well, he better be

bayless leaves over my dead body

by thomasikehara on May 7, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

for what it's worth:

The phrase “the world is my oyster” was coined by Shakespeare several centuries ago, so it’s quite possible that the surrender monkeys are aware of its existence and have adopted it into their pagan language.

As for Batum? Looking at the four Blazer rookies going into the season, I’d have thought Batum would contribute the least. Sure proved me wrong. I have no idea what will happen with Webster’s return, or whether or not Outlaw will be on the roster next year, and I’m not at all concerned about our SF for the foreseeable future. Batum is the man, he’s only going to get better, and he should be an important mainstay of this team in the years to come.

made em jump like Rod Strickland

by Guaranteed on May 7, 2009 3:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

surrender monkeys?

Is that the French racial slur?

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on May 7, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking french national slur.

Similar to french fry insults.

Bedge or go home.

by Ojala John on May 7, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

Derived from “cheese eating surrender monkeys”. A humorous term from Groundskeeper Willie in an episode of The Simpsons that unfortunately became a right-wing talking point (see Jonah Goldberg) after 9/11.

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

how horribly incorrect is that. – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 7, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah....

water on Mars? Give me a break.

by LicketyBrindle on May 7, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the Post

I’ve ceased to be surprised…

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never read anything in the New York Post without first saying to yourself: "This will likely make me dumber."

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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by Y5k on May 7, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

REC.

AGAIN, AND AGAIN.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's cool to read that now

amazing how this kid was so disappointing and summer league and made a huge jump in a few short months. Hopefully, he can make a similar jump this summer.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 7, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

After watching him in Summer League last summer, you could see the talent but it looked to me to be several years in coming. And at times, he looked a little lost on the floor.

There’s no way I expected him to be any sort of contributor to the Blazers in 08-09. Much less the starting SF and defensive sparkplug.

The improvement from where he was last July to where he was by the end of the season is incredible. If he can even improve half that much by the time the 09-10 season starts……

by Storyteller on May 7, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Norsk...

If Dave and Ben ever get released from Shawshank and decide to head to Mexico, I hope you end up running the ’Edge.

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope.......

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 7, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Typical Blazers Fans

Can’t be happy with the guys you got and you’re already thinking about their replacements.

by tominhawaii on May 7, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dang you are a downer

Nothing is static.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you don't understand, Tom.

Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things…..

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 7, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I know that jus razzin' him

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so he out-performed Expectations.... but they were LOW expectations

I kind of get tired of hearing this argument for Batum… “Batum totally out-performed expectations this year” Well, yeah… the returning starting Small Forward was injured before the season even started and prior to that Batum wasn’t expected to sniff the court…. he had more expectations to actually have not been brought onto the roster this season and left to “age” overseas for another season or two. There weren’t just low expectations, they were NO expectations. that is why I give him the “Dave’s Pleasant Surprise of 2009-2010” Award.

I like his euro-style game, I like his attitude, I like his natural skill-set and I love his upside…. but Batum is going to need to show two to three seasons of “consistent/steady” improvement before I annoint him THE small forward of this Blazers-Era.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell didn't have such a season for several years at the beginning of his career, Travis was starting to get there in year 2 and 3

And compared to this year’s crop of small forwards, I would assume Batum wouldn’t last to 25 again if you could redo the draft. Would the Bucks still take Joe Alexander? The Nets Ryan Anderson? Nic was not earth shaking this year, but he did show a lot of promise to develop well and fast.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alexander a bust.... Anderson looked promising...

But yeah, Nic Batum clearly looked like the best of those three.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell 07-08 > Batum 08-09...

Here are the stats:

                                          Points Reb. Asst. TO Blk Stl FG% 3pt% Mins.
Batum 08-09 5.4 2.8 0.9 0.6 0.5 0.6 44.6% 36.9% 18.4
Martell 07-08 10.7 3.9 1.2 1.1 0.4 0.6 42.2% 38.8% 28.4

Sure, Nic had a great season for a 20 year old rookie. Martell also had a great season for a young player last season. Martell’s on-ball defense was definitely above average, and his deep shooting is a strength. Batum had good percentages and solid numbers, and provided above average on-ball defense. I can see these two players co-existing very well on the roster. Over the next two season (assuming Webster returns from injury) Martell should be starting with Batum being in the 2nd SF role for Portland… of course, there may be some match-ups that Nate wants to use Batum in the first line-up, but Batum does/should get another two years of grooming.

Why? It was dramatically clear in the playoffs that the starting unit did not have enough OFFENSE to be a “difficult” team to defend. With a healthy and improved Martell in the starting line-up, Portland has a proven double-digit scorer (Martell had 38 games in double-digits) that when plugged into the 1st-unit gives it another dimension, with essentially little-to-no drop off with defese. Batum and Webster are a pretty solid one-two-punch, and WEbster definitely would’ve garnered more respect and likely helped the offense to be at least a bit more effective. Next season, Batum 20 min per game… Webster 27 min per game.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ridiculous

On a pace adjusted, per minute basis, Nic’s rookie season was better than Martell’s 07-08 season in PER, True Shooting %, O-Reb rate, Ast rate, turnover rate, steal rate, block rate, offensive rating, defensive rating and win score. Martell was slightly better from 3 point range and slightly better on the defensive glass. Batum was better in quite literally every other aspect of the game… and Nic was a year younger with 2 fewer years of NBA experience.

Batum is the better player right now and has vastly more upside. Playing Webster more minutes than Batum next year would be extremely foolish. Indeed, I don’t think Webster or Outlaw should be playing many minutes at all (if they are still around)— rather, I would increase the minutes of both Batum and Rudy.

Comparison

by jksnake99 on May 7, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair to Webster

It’s incomparable how much better the looks Nic was getting this year compared to Martell’s the last three years, and it’s a whole lot easier to compile better per minute stats when your team is rebounding 32% of your misses instead of 26% of your misses.

I really think there’d have to be some serious willful ignorance involved to not assume that Webster would have had a better year than Nic did if he hadn’t have been injured. Also, as I’ve stated multiple times before, Nic’s “team” stats like offensive and defensive rating are horribly skewed by the fact that 71% of the minutes he played this year were played with BOTH Aldridge and Roy on the court (48% of Webster’s minutes last year were with both of them on the court). How much of those stats (especially offensive) could you really say were due to Nic?

So disregarding those stats, Nic was better on the offensive glass, turned it over slightly more (not sure how you interpret an 11% TO rate as better than 10%), and had a higher assist (barely), steal, block % and PER playing on a superior team (The difference in TS% is negligible, so there’s no point in mentioning it). Martell was a better defensive rebounder and shot better from deep while being asked to do more offensively(18.0 Usage). Given that they were almost equally as efficient offensively with a 20% difference in usage, I don’t think that Nic was superior, or even better, offensively than Martell was the previous season.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my mistake on the TO%

I completely disagree though. I think Batum was substantially better— on both ends— than Martell has even been. Might Martell have been better this year? Its possible— he did look good in that preseason game— but we’ll never know. However, I don’t think ‘07-’08 Webster could have had a better season than Batum playing with the ‘08-’09 Blazers. Nic was a better defender than Martell (Aldridge and Roy are both mediocre at best defenders so that’s not affecting his D-rating in a positive manner) and he was our best transition player— an area where Martell has never given us anything. By the way, if we are going to qualify Nic’s stats by mentioning the types of looks he was getting and the number of team rebounds, don’t we have to mention that playing with these Bazers probably hurt Nic’s rebounding numbers?

by jksnake99 on May 7, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As mediocre defenders as Roy and LA

are in the grand scheme of the league, they’re still vastly better than their replacements on the Blazers last year (i.e. Jack guarding SGs, and Frye/Outlaw guarding 4’s) so that would still be a substantial bonus to Nic’s defensive rating versus 07-08 Webster’s (which was nearly identical, as well, I might add: 110 to 108), and our total team defensive rating was nearly identical, despite us not having to play Frye at center (we also gave up nearly an identical number of points per 100 possessions whether or not Nic was on the court, when his usual replacements were Rudy and Trout, two ackbowleded awful defenders; Martell’s replacement, OTOH, was an excellent vet defender).

And I think you’d be right in saying that Nic’s defensive rebounding numbers would probably improve some playing in last year’s lineup, but I’d bet that his offensive rebounding numbers would be worse if he were playing in the same lineups that Martell had been playing in last year. Without Joel or Greg in there to occupy defenders and tip balls back, there would be a lot fewer opportunities for Nic to pick up boards. They’d still probably be better than Martell’s, but I don’t think it would be the stark difference that it is now.

I understand you think he was better, I just don’t see how where the substantially better comes into play, especially offensively. The offensive efficiency stats are nearly identical, outside of the offensive rebounding, and Webster did it while having a much greater burden of the offense on him. It’s always easy to maintain efficiency numbers in increased minutes, but it’s substantially more difficult to maintain them with increased usage.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess by "substantially," I just mean that I think it was a non-trivial difference

I certainly don’t think Batum was worlds better, but I do think he was better on both ends. As a prospect, I like Batum way, way more. Webster really has his work cut out for him this summer if he wants to be a rotation player for the Blazers down the road.

by jksnake99 on May 7, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better prospect, easily

but I really have a hard time saying Batum was the better player right now considering there was a 0.0% chance of him taking any minutes from Webster had he been healthy. The only way that Webster wouldn’t have been better than him offensively is if he had shown no improvement from the start of last year whatsoever, which was highly doubtful, given all the reports, and the fact that he was lighting it up from downtown for the last month or so of last year.

by Royster on May 8, 2009 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too good.

you must be cheating.

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by Y5k on May 7, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't expect much of him for this season

I didn’t expect that good defense from him, so I didn’t thought he’d play much in his first two years. I’m glad he proved me wrong.

The next step is getting some muscle to make life easier for him in the NBA. As an offensive weapon, his 3pt% will raise, but I’d also like him to drive more. His quickness can make some easy baskets off cuts, and that would force the other team’s defense to put more attention on him, something I felt we missed and would make life easier for Brandon and LaMarcus.

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by DaniBCN on May 7, 2009 4:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't like Batum at first

I figured he was just another rookie fans would champion while tearing down the vets in front of him. I was right for one game and then things cooled off once he got to start and be the first guy replaced in the lineup. I’m just really proud of him for increasing his trade value.

by tominhawaii on May 7, 2009 5:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Tom

Turned on my ’puter this AM and discovered that I added “Felony Mis-identification” to my other crimes. Geesh, even my attempt at self-deprecating humor was an epic fail. What can I say? “Tomorrow is another day.” Enjoy the tropical sun.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be shocked if sf became as solid as any other position on the team next year

12/10/09 Jason Quick blog post: "Batum has improved his offense over the summer to the point where he’s as good a sf as the Blazers have had – except for maybe Scottie Pippen. And Martell is a little better and gets the start? Just months ago small forward was a liability and now there’s a logjam of two players playing at an all-star level.

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by LaughingJon on May 7, 2009 6:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how either Batum or Martell jumps up to all star level next year

If Rajon Rondo or Deron Williams can’t get on the all star team, then Batum definitely won’t be and neither will Martell. Was Danny Granger even an allstar last year? Seriously, I could see us saying that if either one of them is averaging 16ppg last year or somewhere similar but really, I don’t see where that idea is coming from. If we are indeed a 60 win team, Brandon will make it and LMA may ride the “second best player on a really good team” coattails to the ASG, but that’s about it. I don’t really see anyone else on the team making all star contention next year. Greg Oden might possibly be there if he makes a huge leap this off season.

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by Dheepan on May 7, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your point is well taken, however.....

It seems hard to imagine either Martell or Nic getting All-Star stats. But we don’t really need All-Star stats at the 3. All we need is good defense, a consistent scoring threat that spaces the floor and keeps the defense honest, and a reasonable effort on the boards.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference between making the all-star team and playing at an all-star level

I doubt either will ever actually make the team, but I can see them generating chatter at some point.

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by LaughingJon on May 7, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

10 Years

from now, Nic will get voted to the ASG by the coaches as a reward for being the best individual defender on the PTB and the guy that keeps giving that guy on the Cavs fits in the finals.

by DucRider on May 7, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I like your way of thinking

Nic better hit the weight room if he is going to shut down LeBron.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blazers win a championship or make it to that round

All star team will be well represented with all sorts of blazers, or at least high in the votes

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nic will be a solid contributor

for the Blazers in the near future. Offensively, his ceiling is probably about 12 ppg here (partly a function of his game, partly because he will either be the 4th/5th option as a starter), but as they say, defense wins championships. Having someone who can do a good job with some of the elite wings in the league/keep Brandon fresh for the offensive end is a huge asset. Batum still has a ways to go, but seeing him this year has me impressed and hopeful about his future.

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by blazeraddict on May 7, 2009 6:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does "near future" mean 2-3 seasons?

Honestly, even though he had a great rookie season I think his minutes per game will be down to around 15+ for next season.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The french colliquialism, if anyone cares

is “Comme larrons en Foire”, Like thieves at a fair. Finally! my slim knowledge of the french can be useful outside of le metro and La cinema!

by hobbyshop_hero on May 7, 2009 6:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In not-to-distant past seasons

I’d be reluctant using that sort of phrase around the Blazers. However, with this bunch, I don’t think there will be any worries.

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is therapy. This is good.

I think for the first time ever I laughed at a jailblazer’s joke.

Which stage of grieving is this?

ty Donk.

Bedge or go home.

by Ojala John on May 7, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Acceptance

Bargaining was when KP traded Randolph and waved Stevie Franchise (and thus ended the Jailblazers era for good).

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's (?) got donk. Indeed.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And before anyone else says it...

I meant “too” not “to”.

Where’s that edit button again…oh yeah.

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have a feeling..

he is gonna work a lot on his offensive skills this summer, (training for the french team)

just think of it..
French Team – Batum
Spain – Rudy
USA – Aldridge, Roy, Oden

whewwwww…..

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by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 7:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah. That's some good training. Awesome.

Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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by Y5k on May 7, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we gonna take over

the West!!!!

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Portland Trail Blazers..

Where bringing back the Gold, Silver, Bronze and NBA championship happends!!!

V/R 2012 (and sooner)

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Rec.

:)

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what a PR dream that would be

to have players from all three medalling teams on our roster.

I imagine there will be a few other countries with something to say about that, however. – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 7, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we could only dream though!!

It is maybe a lock to bring 2 Diff Medals back..

but the french team..
Tony Parker
Batum
Boris Diaw
Ronny Turriaf
and there trying to bring of Jokiam Noah (spell check)

could be a decent little team.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they won't beat

argentina if manu is healthy, but without they got a good chance

"Howard, he know me" Rudy

by phillyduck23 on May 7, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True,

guess we will have to wait and see.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well... Who from the Argentina National Team can we acquire?

Might as well get an early dunk on this Gold/Silver/Bronze PR plan… time to do some scouting.

Draftexpress.com here I come!

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that I love about Nic

is that his defense is already NBA-level.

What I’m really curious to see is how his offense develops. If he can model his game after Tayshaun Prince, he’ll be incredible. Look at the comparison of their rookies years Prince didn’t play much, but the stats are still pretty similar per 36.

If he can have a Travis-like evolution on offense, he’ll be a star role player

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 7, 2009 7:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope

His evolution on offense is different from Travis’ – I’d rather see him blossom like Aldridge instead of taking shots that make you 100% of the time cringe and then 50% of the time cheer.

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely phrased!

I would take a bet that Nic’s offensive skills indeed do develop on a different trajectory than the one you mentioned.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize that Nic shoots 80% from the stripe (42/52). That's nice for a rookie, go take it to the hole next year!

Of note: So did Bayless 83 of 103 and what I did remember of course Rudy 120 of 143 for even 83%. Other great FT shooters on many attempts were Augustin (89) Mayo (88), Gordon (85) and Westbrook (81). This rookie class is strong.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

100 FT attempts next year for Batum?

that would be nice. – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 7, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looked like Rudy got tired toward the end of the season.

I anticipate Rudy closer to 90 over the long haul.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One stat that stood out to me in that comparison....

was Nic’s offensive rebounding. Offensive rebounding is really stealing points from the opponent and its one area of the game where Batum is much better than Webster and Prince. In fact, Prince has never average 2.1 offensive rebounds per 36 minutes:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/princta01.html

In fact, it’s more than LeBron James has ever averaged: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Or, Ron Artest: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/artesro01.html

But not quite as many as Larry Legend: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birdla01.html

An additional offensive rebound per game is worth about 1 point a game. Nothing to sneeze at.

by PoliSam on May 7, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

two things about Batum that I am excited about

the first is how great his brains are, he has smarts and great instincts. That will help him be a good passer once he becomes more involved in the offense.

the second is that he is a Cold Blooded Killer! It might sound crazy, but at times I thought I saw this killer instinct. He seems unflappable, tough, and more intense than anyone thought. I really hope that Batum dunks become a mainstay of the Blazers for years to come!

by twggyy on May 7, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

killa ... true dat.

you can see it in his eyes. give him three years in the league and he’ll have a vet swagger that will knock ’em over.

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by Y5k on May 7, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's got some swag already

Case in point, his tally of dunks on Pau…

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Twiggs

That’s about my take….

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who would of thought?

Its all very surprising, the best kind of surprise, “go to the rim and crush!”

by twggyy on May 8, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

actually i’m twggyy. I have used that name in other stuff for years, and I asked her if she thought it was ok i used it, but I thing people are getting confused so i might change it.

by twggyy on May 15, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm impressed with Batum

He needs some meet on his body. With that, I strongly believe the kid can be an all star.

He’s quick, athletic, a hard worker, dedicated to defense, intelligent with a great B-Ball IQ. I agree his shot needs some work and he needs to become more aggressive at attacking the basket.

I don’t like how Nate tends to use the SF. We need people camping the three, but it just feels that the likes of Webster and Batum are wasted there. Dave, you made a good point that it is up to the SF to not just take the open shot, but create something as well. Here’s hoping Webster and Batum can do that next year.

The highs: Athletic, quick, graceful and in control, intelligent, defensive focus, confidence

The lows: Shooting, creating own shot, strength

Batum doesn’t assert himself all the time yet, but the kid is confident. Strength can be built, even if he’s never a bulky guy. his shot can be worked on, and creating his own shot will happen when he has more strength to power through, a little better shot, and the mindset to do so. I felt he played within himself this year, and i’m hoping he’ll push himself next year.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on May 7, 2009 7:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

meat

freaking meat. grrr

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on May 7, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He showed glimpses of taking it inside. I remember him faking on the left wing in his first game against LeBron to send him flying out of the picture, then going a few steps and taking a jumper(?). Or his baseline dunk attempts. He seems very able to learn playing more aggressive and not always settling for the corner three.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect it's a matter of feeling

that it’s okay to do that. Some people wait a while to rock the boat to get their sense of where everything is at.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

by ratbastird on May 7, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From turmoil to a potential wealth of riches

Rather than commenting on individual players, I think it makes more sense to discuss each position. So without further ado, here is my 2 cents on the SF position:

Going into last season, no position had more questions than SF. Was Martell ready to step-up? Would Trout be able to play the 3, and would he learn to make decent decisions and play defense? Oh, and who is this Batum kid?

The questions haven’t exactly been answered, but it seems likely that between the three guys we have some answers. Here is the potential:

Nic Batum: our budding Tayshaun Prince, or a reference I like even better, a young Scottie Pippen. A defender who can run the floor and shoot. How good and how soon, those are the remaining questions about Nic. On a team starving for perimeter defense, he is like a glass of water in the desert.

Martell Webster: potentially a shooter who can defend. Martell’s inconsistency has always seemed to me to primarily be an issue of youth and confidence. He has the body; he has the stroke; he just needs to get the attitude and the confidence. I had Webster pegged as the guy most likely to have a breakout year going into last season. I figured that Greg’s presence in the middle and the defensive adjustments needed to deal with him and Brandon and LMA would be the perfect recipe to open the perimeter for Martell. Instead, Rudy broke the rookie record for threes, and Steve shot well from distance. The logic still stands, even if we are on a new calendar: provided his foot has fully healed, Martell should prosper.

Trout: Trout’s status with the team strikes me as the hardest to figure. There is no doubt that he showed improvement in some areas last season. His 3% went up and his crazy shot % went down somewhat resulting in an increase in his TS% from 48 to 54. But his rebounds, assists, and turnovers per minute all went the wrong direction. We need Trout’s scoring, in general, and his ability to get his own shot, in particular, but we also need more. Trout doesn’t block out, frequently looses his man on defense, and is just generally too darn inconsistent.

He is a “tweener,” too slow for SF, too weak for PF. He often gives us a mismatch at the offensive end, but gives the opponent mismatches at the other end. If we keep Trout, I think his role will be significantly reduced. Generally, he has been more effective at the 4 than the 3, and the return of Martell and the development of Batum means there will be much fewer minutes available. Trout might make a good back-up at the 4, provided that we have a solid banger, low post scorer as an alternative for certain situations and match-ups.

OTOH, I doubt that Trout will be happy with a reduced role. He loves to shoot, and playing 10-12 minutes as one of two back-up 4s seems like a big step back from being the sixth man for the past two seasons. All this leads me to the conclusion that Trout is our most movable asset, and I think it makes sense to trade him before his value declines. I think the teams highest priority should be a PG with a more complete offensive game and significantly better defense. If a suitable trade isn’t available or the team is highly confident that Bayless can step up by next years playoffs, I will be fine if Trout stays.

Overall, I think SF is transitioning from a position of doubt to a position of strength. While it is tempting to trade for a proven veteran who would give us another scorer, I think the price would likely be too high, and the long term benefit too low. Let’s hope Nic and Martell are ready to turn potential into reality.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 7:58 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

very nice.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Batum needs to become a Scottie Pippen...

Nic Batum needs

1.) Much better shooting, currently this is a weakness of Batum’s
2.) Much better ball-handling, currently Batum is only adequate at this
3.) Much more aggression on the offensive end, it takes time to develop an inside-outside game as a Pro.
4.) Currently has uber-low ability to create his own shot… settled for wide open 3’s or wide open lanes to the rim.
5.) Much more knowledge of opposing players to improve his defense
6.) To add strength and remain athletic and smooth, for defensive and offensive reasons
7.) To remain in the good graces of Coach Nate… the confidence roller-coaster could take any player out!

and after all that… if he really wants to become a Scottie Pippen… then Batum needs to do all these things consistently over time, improving in all area’s of his game so that that his skills are so finely tuned that when his raw athletic ability starts to degrade, his skill and experience help prolong his career at the same level for even more time. Plus, he must help his team win multiple championships and be fine with barely getting any recognition for it.

I am not sold that any or all of this will happen. So no, don’t really think he is a “Scottie Pippen” type player.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty good list, however....

….the Pippen of the mid 90s was not 19. Pippen didn’t come into the league being able to shoot from distance, it took him several years to get to the level that Nic is at now.

Obviously my player analogy was pushing the envelope. We have not really seen enough from Nic to say that he has a reasonable chance to get to that level. Few players do. But the reference isn’t completely crazy. Nic plays amazing defense for his age and the similarity in build is notable.

My main point is that Nic’s potential ceiling is very high.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pippen was an outstanding finisher. Nic is too.

Seems like Pippen got a lot more opportunties for that on the Bulls…

by MiledAnimal on May 7, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless, comparing Pippen to Nic is worse

than comparing Roy to Jordan. Pippen was a top three SF all time and was substantially better at EVERYTHING than Nic. Sure, Nic has room to improve, but it gets a little ridiculous seeing comparisons to top 5 position players of all time.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with comparing Nic to Pip.

Similar height and length, great defensive players, great finishers on the break, great athleticism, high BBIQ, great team players, etc.

The comparison breaks-down when you compare Nic’s rookie year to Pip during his All-Star and NBA champion years.

Nic of course is way better-looking.

by MiledAnimal on May 7, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of guys have similar height and length to Pippen

and were great ahtletes, etc., etc.

Can I compare Desmond Mason to Pippen? Andre Iguodala? Stacey Augmon? Stephen Jackson? Mike Finley? Kersey? Richard Jefferson?

All those guys had great length and size (similar to Pip’s), athleticism, played great basketball within systems, and showed solid BBIQs, but it’s laughable to compare them to Pippen.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get your point, and think I acknowledged it in my comment....

….I think you missing my point. Pippen entered the league at 22. Playing next to Jordan, he did not win his first title until he was 26 at the end of his fourth season. As a rookie, Pippen shot 17% from 3. He shot 56% from the line.

Comparing Nic to the Pippen of the six rings is crazy. Comparing him to a young Pippen is hopeful.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pippen was bad at the start of his career

to the point that ANYONE could be compared to a “young Scottie Pippen” and have it be a favorable comparison. The term “young Scottie Pippen” is almost never meant to allude to a 22 year old rookie Pippen with the Bulls, because that Pippen sucked.

Heck, compare Iggy or RJ’s 22 year old season to Pippen’s and they demolish his (and Nic’s rookie year). I don’t remember any Nets or Sixers fans throwing out the Pippen comparison, though.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't want to argue the point except to say.....

…..I am looking forward to finding out just how tall Nic’s ceiling becomes.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree that Nic has a high ceiling

but a player doesn’t have to be a top 5 SF ever to be a success. If Nic became a sane Stephen Jackson or a better defending Mike Finley, that would be incredible in its own right.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mindset

Pippen’s mindset was not nearly that of Nic when he came into the league. There were questions about his mental strength, to the point of Jordan saying something about him having to step up in games, there wasn’t a guy in the league that defended him any better than Pip did in practice, so he needed to bring it in games. I believe that was after Pip opted out of playoff game with the Pistions with a migrane.

by DucRider on May 7, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's talking about potential...

Peeps that are talking in definitives/static conditions are kinda bugging me today. Sorry.

I can almost guess how old people are, or at least how many years they’ve watch players develop over time in the NBA….no disrespect….

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he's talking about potential

and I think it’s no less ridiculous than when Sergio was being compared to Steve Nash or Oden to Shaq. I’ve watched plenty of young guys like Batum have just as promising, or better starts than Nic has, and none of them have even come close to Pippen.

Just like I think Roy is an incredible player in his own right, but he’s nowhere near Jordan (and probably never will be). I just think the hyperbole gets a little out of control when we start comparing our 4th best player (at best right now) to top 5 all time guys at their position.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Royster, no offense friend...

but you really seem to have your panties in an excessively tight bunch over one reference to “a young Pippen.” Is it really worth going to the mattresses over this reference?

Nic has a similar physique, plays good defense, and shows real potential. So did Scottie in years 1 and 2 of his career. Nic also has a certain attitude that reminds me a bit of a young Scottie. He knows he is green, but you can tell he isn’t gonna take any guff off of anybody. He isn’t intimidated. He likes the challenge of facing top players.

Again, I agree there is a big difference between “young Scottie” and “six time Champ Scottie.” The odds of Nic making the full journey from Point A to Point B are probably fairly small, but the similarities are noticeable and notable.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, a lot of this isn't directed at you

just a culmination of the 8 million Pippen references I’ve seen over the season, which is why I didn’t respond to your original comment about it, but instead after Portland Dynasty discussed the differences and the Pippen comparison went into more depth. Pippen did so much more than defend and be athletic, which is basically the extent of what we’ve seen from Nic.

Aside from that, I’m just responding to direct comments to my posts. This really has almost nothing to do with the statement,

Nic Batum: our budding Tayshaun Prince, or a reference I like even better, a young Scottie Pippen. A defender who can run the floor and shoot. How good and how soon, those are the remaining questions about Nic. On a team starving for perimeter defense, he is like a glass of water in the desert.

As cliche as it is to say it now, I see Tayshaun as a much better comparison. Obviously you can’t rule anything out, but I want to see a guy regularly be the best or second best player out of 10 on the floor and regularly carry a team before I start throwing out the Pip comparisons.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at Tayshaun Prince's career stats...

Is a pretty decent look at the “ceiling” for Nicolas Batum.

14.5 points, 4.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 45% shooting in 33 minutes plus solid Defense… This is the statistical number set that should make all of these Batum-amaniacs think “We have our ideal SF” since Prince is the main comparison. Let’s see how far off our SF’s have been over the last 3 seasons:

                        Points Reb. Asst. TO Blk Stl FG% 3pt% Mins.
Prince(career) 14.5 4.5 3.5 1.2 0.6 0.6 46.1% 37.0% 33.4
Udoka 06-07 8.4 3.8 1.5 1.0 0.2 0.9 46.1% 40.6% 28.6
Martell 07-08 10.7 3.9 1.2 1.1 0.4 0.6 42.2% 38.8% 28.4
Batum 08-09 5.4 2.8 0.9 0.6 0.5 0.6 44.6% 36.9% 18.4

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum would look even better if you adjusted his numbers per minute

Prince’s value has primarily been as a top defensive specialist (three years in a row 2nd Team All-Defense). By year three of his career he was averaging 14 pts, 5 reb. and 3 assists. If Batum equals that production and excellence over the next 6 years, we will all be smiling.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya... It's just my thing today....

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

".....for his age" has to be attached to "Nic plays amazing defense"

And there is a BIG difference between Nic’s game now and being able to say “Nic plays amazing defense” without the “…for his age” part. As far as ceilings go, Nic does have a downtown hotel lobby ceiling for sure. I also think Marty does, too.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No disagreement

Although watching the defense Nic played on Kobe during the last game at the RG was amazing. His defense was just plain good without any disclaimer. He wasn’t as good in the Houston series because Battier and Artest are so darn strong, but his speed and length clearly bothered Kobe.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"much better shooting"

Nic shot better from the 3 point line this season than Pippen did in any season of his career.

I agree with the rest of your points though— the chances of him becoming a top-50 all time player like Pippen are extremely low. However, the chances of him becoming a Tayshaun Prince are pretty decent.

by jksnake99 on May 7, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I luv you all that has the patience and focus to generate entries like this

Especially when I agree with every sentence. Nice work.

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to make a point but...

Martell spent a lot of time during last off-season with a ‘special’ trainer improving his shooting and his attacking, according to an interview on either Courtside or Wheels After Work last summer. Tone knows who he’s working with from his time in the league and anticipated that Martell would come back and be a devastating force.

Then comes the foot injury during the pre-season opener (I was there).

I’d say give Martell a chance to re-gain his starting role and to prove that he’s ready to be that 3rd option.

As far as Nic goes, he did awesome this year, and he deserved the starting role. Now it’s his position to lose. If he can improve on this years performance with more aggressive moves to the basket and improved perimeter shooting, then it’ll be a dogfight for the starting role and no matter what the 3 coming off the bench will manhandle the opposing team’s bench player.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on May 7, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info.

As I said in my original post, I had Martell pegged as “player most likely to break out.” I still think there is a very good chance.

The two players KP mentioned in the season ending Courtside were Bayless and Martell. I like them both and expect that both will take a step forward next year. As I wrote in another post below, I think it might make the most sense to have Martell and Nic split minutes with Nic being the starter, in order to guard the opponents top perimeter scorer, and Martell providing scoring off the bench. My guess is that Trout is on the way out, but imagine it depends on who is available and who the trading party is interested in. I wouldn’t trade Trout just to get rid of him, but if we can get the right guy, I wouldn’t hesitate.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boom-Boom Batum

First off, I love Nic’s game this year, even with the offensive limitations. No biggie. I worry more about rookies who come out shooting on fire and play no D than the other way around.

HOWEVER, I fear Batum may have a little trouble next year. the scouting report will no longer read “SF Batum: some French kid.” It will look more like: “Monster defender, watch yo’ back.” Seriously, how many times will you have an easy breakaway layup or poster-dunk swatted away from behind by “some french kid” before you stop loping down the court and start casting one eye back for old Boom-boom.

I’m not saying teams are going to start keying him. I’m just saying that element of surprise is surely gone. Kinda like Ime. All-Star? no. someone to watch out for? yes.

If that Offense comes together and he not only starts drilling the 3, but also figures out how to drive on down to Monster Jam Town, well … my oh my … we are in for a treat that lasts a decade or more.

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(don’t call it a man-crush.)

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by Y5k on May 7, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Changing the shot

because you are a threat go block it is almost as good as blocking it, start thinking not reacting, and you lose.

by DucRider on May 7, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true.

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by Y5k on May 7, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah not a man-crush

correct terminology is Bro-mance

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by Garden of ODEN on May 8, 2009 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love players that don't need the ball to be effective.

Nicolas Batum has been that for us this season (along with our centers). He’s one of my favorite players on the team. But there is still plenty of room to grow, particularly when the ball does come his direction. An improved 3 pt shot would help (it’s not bad, but hardly any of his attempts were contested from what I could tell). A better move to the basket would be a bonus (though he was starting to use the baseline drive more effectively towards the end of the season, especially against Pau Gasol). Maybe more confidence handling the ball? Other than that, Just want him to get more experience. I think at this point playing for France will be better for him than a summer spent in an empty gym, or playing pick-up ball. More experience. More confidence. I’m looking forward to next year.

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by T Darkstar on May 7, 2009 8:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is one of the most underrated aspects of Nic's contribution to our team and it still gets only one paragraph
Batum’s calling card this year was his defense. As the year progressed he became the designated defender of the team’s best small scorer. This took pressure off of Brandon Roy, allowing him to conserve his energy in the first stages of the game and taking away much of the potential for early foul trouble against our main guy. I’m not sure about physical durability per se, but Brandon can attribute at least some of his ability to stay on the court consistently this year to Nicolas Batum.

-Sophia

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
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by BlazerFan1 on May 7, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My opinion is quite obviously biased

however, I always say when talking of Nicolas Batum more words is ALWAYS better :)

Sophia

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow

by BlazerFan1 on May 7, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll add that he also quickly became the designated inbounds defender on important plays with his long limbs :)

Nate used him for that as early as the first home game against Houston, where you can see it in the play that ultimately Yao still converts before Roy’s miracle shot. Sometimes he used Travis, but often Nic. That’s a pretty important position, since you can create a steal and the inbounder often gets back the ball for the open shot and you are not allowed to forget him.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Le monde est son huître

(The world is his oyster.)

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by Kaboomm on May 7, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dave, you said:

bq.He is far, far too good on the drive with his speed (and on the finish with his leaping ability) to become a stand-still shooter alone. He needs to be dunking as well as bombing. The way the system is set up he has to make enough threes to make him a credible threat. . . .

Are you saying he didn’t play a more all-around game because of his level of development? I assumed it was a coaching decision. “All right, Nico, on this play you stand way out here and don’t move. On this next play, you stand way out here and don’t move.”

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by Kaboomm on May 7, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The coaches tell you

where you’re going to start with the ball. They don’t tell you where you’re going to finish with it. It’s taken Martell until this point in his career to figure that out and it’s still part of what was holding him back last we checked. Let’s hope it doesn’t take Nic that long.

If Nic gives an up-fake, drives past his man, and then throws it down do you think the coaching staff is going to complain?

—Dave

by Dave on May 7, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only when he dribbles it in traffic and loses it or travels

Which happened too often to Travis and Martell until recently.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know the comparison has been made before

But I certainly hope Nic takes some time this summer between games for the French National Team to study more tape on Scottie Pippen. That’s an absolute best-case scenario for Batum, but it’s also the kind of overall skill set that I think Nic can have if he works on it. Studying Pippen’s game will help him better understand how to read the defense and recognize when help is available down low and when he can take it to the rim uncontested. If he figures out when to spot up and when to use that pump fake to his benefit, he will become a real scoring contribution as well.

I am WAY more enthusiastic about Batum’s future than I am of Martell’s. I think Martell is just too one dimensional. So is Batum to an extent right now, but there’s plenty of talent there to be developed.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 7, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

scottie pippen is a lot to ask

a top 50 player of all time? i cant even imagine nic being top 100 when its all said and done.

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by Philthyanimal on May 7, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I said best-case scenario. :)

I don’t really think he’s gonna be THAT good.

I also don’t think Scottie Pippen is really a top 50 player all time, but that’s a different discussion.

But I’m more interested in seeing Batum take elements from Scottie’s game and incorporate that into his own, especially offensively.

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by LeafHawk on May 7, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he rounds out his offensive game

i think a doug christie would be a good comparison. minus the crazy wife of course.

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by Philthyanimal on May 7, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great job as always Dave
At times he looked Michael Cooper-esque in his ability to chase down the enemy and block the layup at the last second. It got to the point where you could call it before it happened. That’s downright amazing.

I hope someone shows film of Cooper to Batum. To me, that’s a better role model for him than Pippen or Prince (though both of those guys are fine, too). – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 7, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Care to expand your point?

I’m guessing that you are referring to Cooper being primarily a defensive specialist. Personally, I don’t feel like I have seen enough to have any idea where Nic will end up as an offensive player. His role in Nate’s system was so prescribed this season that we don’t really know what he can do.

I see a lot of possibilities. He has the quickness and leaping ability to become a good slasher. He shot well for a young player and could develop into an excellent spot up shooter. He is quick enough and graceful enough to become a guy who does a lot of cutting and running off screens. He is already has shown an ability to run the floor in transition.

I just know I have seen enough on the defensive end to know that I want him to be red and black for the foreseeable future.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cooper was a defensive specialist

who was the second best 3-point shooter on a team with Byron Scott on it. Cooper had serious point-guard skills and brought the ball up the floor whenever Magic needed a break. If Nic can put those kinds of skills together with his already-good defensive skills, the Blazers will benefit for years to come. – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 8, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How 'bout a hybrid of all 3?

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have the skills, we have the technology

but he will wind up costing a lot more than six million dollars. – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 8, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff

BATUM THIS SEASON

Watching Nic Batum was one of the biggest joys of the season for me. I love his game. I love his attitude. I love when players embrace a role, striving to play that role to the best of their ability rather than wishing the team gave them some other role. Nic is not one of those players that tells the media that they don’t mind having more defensive responsibilities than offensive responsibilities because it is a good PR move. He genuinely likes it that way. The Blazers are tremendously lucky to have stumbled upon such an athletically gifted guy that his obsessed with being a great defender at a young age. How rare is that?

Additional aspects of Nic’s game that I really appreciate:

-His low turnover rate. I know that he does not get a lot of touches in the offense, but I rarely felt nervous when the ball was in Nic’s hands. He’s a good passer who sees the floor quite well. It wasn’t just that he played it safe; he usually made the right play. Again, for a 20 year old rookie SF, that is really impressive. He struggled a bit with turnovers in the series against Houston, but my guess is that will prove to be an anomaly.

-The Nic Batum one man fast break. He was really great in the open floor. I wish there were a metric for each player’s success rate when they are the lead player on a fast break. I am pretty sure Nic’s would have great fast break conversion rate. He is so long and quick that he’s very difficult to stop when he has the momentum provided by the break. Frankly, I would love if Nate McMillan spent a few weeks in the off-season trying to figure out how to start more fast breaks with Batum. Down the road, this could be a lethal weapon. I know that fastbreaks are harder to come by in the play-offs, but even a couple of cheap buckets on the break can be the difference in a close game.

-His 3 point shooting percentage. Perhaps this one is obvious, but I think it’s a little under-appreciated. I know he only takes open threes. Still, 37% from distance is a great number, especially for some one that did not come out of college or Europe shooting a lot of threes. It is not at all unrealistic to think that Batum could be a deadly weapon from distance in a couple of season.

BATUM IN THE FUTURE

I think a good deal of Batum’s improvement will be on the coaching staff. I am sure Batum will put on muscle. I am sure his shooting will improve. I am sure he will become a better defender. I am less certain how far he will grow offensively. It’s difficult to develop a well rounded offensive game in the NBA without getting a significant number of opportunities in NBA games. Dave is right that players bear responsibility for making the most of the opportunities afforded to the SF in the offense. On the other hand, there is no law that says the Blazers have to keep running the offense that they have been running. Have the Blazers been successful offensively? Of course. Does that mean there aren’t gains to be had by adjusting offensive sets to help develop the talent on the roster? No. In my view, the coaches have as much of a responsibility for designing sets that develop players, as players have a responsibility for using those opportunities wisely.

Moreover, given Batum’s personality, he may benefit from being given a specific play or set where he has greater offensive responsibility. Again, Batum could improve simply by making more of the opportunities given to him in the offense that the team already uses. But, the relevant question is whether or not the status quo offense will maximize the long term talent and success of the team. I don’t think it will. I think the Batum and the team would see more growth if Batum were force-fed a few plays a game. Yes, the coaching staff would gain confidence in Nic if he took it upon himself to drive and dunk, but Nic would also gain confidence if he were given some plays where that was the number one option.

Similarly, as I hinted at above, the easiest way to improve Batum’s overall offensive production would be for the Blazers to make a more concerted effort to feed Batum in the open court on outlet passes. This one is even more on the coaching staff and teammates than Batum’s production in the half-court. An emphasis on advancing the ball up the court on the wings is a matter of coaching philosophy. The most obvious example is what happened to the Phoenix Suns in the transition between Porter and Gentry. The players did not change at all, and suddenly the ball was being advanced up the wings repeatedly. It was not enough to push Phoenix in the playoffs, but it certainly improved the Sun’s performance. I am not advocating that the Blazers adopted the Phoenix offense (and lack of defense), but I believe they should push the ball with outlet passes to the wings more often. Batum can be a key part of this strategy. (Note, in addition, that most of the teams remaining in the playoffs (all but Orlando) make a greater effort at doing this than the Blazers do).

by PoliSam on May 7, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

one thing that we've overlooked with Batum, I believe

is that European rookies often shoot very poorly from three point range. Manu, Dirk, Peja… they all struggled with their shot in their rookie years. Batum’s 37%, though comprised of open looks, is impressive. He can easily be expected to improve this shooting over the next two years.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 7, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually in the last quarter season (21 games) he averaged 45% 3FG%

More proof for your point.

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by lee3022 on May 7, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Offense

if he comes off the bench and Martell starts. it’ll get him more in the scoring mindset and not deferring to the others on the floor. then, when he moves back into the starting role, B-Roy and LmA will look for him more often.

by DucRider on May 7, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oustanding post. Rec'd

Batum is found money. We don’t yet know the denomination, but we think it may be large.

I agree that we do not have any real idea about Nic’s future on the offensive end. The physical tools, the skills and the attitude all suggest that he may be capable of much more than we have seen to date. I also agree that the onus for developing that talent lies with the coaches as well as with Nic himself.

After Roy, Oden, and LMA, Nic is the player I would be most reluctant to trade. If we did, he would come back to crush us for the next decade. As much as I like Rudy, Bayless, and Martell, I have more confidence in Nic becoming a high level all-round NBA player than any of our other youngin’s outside of the big 3.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really pessimistic about the prospects of Nate bending his system

The SF that developed under Nate was an isolation player in Outlaw, the other SF became a strictly catch and shoot player in Webster. Batum has a different set of skills so I hope Nate would use them and allow him to grow as a player. I rather take some losses to develop Oden and Batum then to hinder their development.

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by blzrfan on May 7, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh! This is my concen too

Your opening sentence….Dave…you gonna evalute Nate’s performance with these write-ups? I’ll for sure hit that comment thread……

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see Nate as being all that rigid

He has backed off a lot in his years here. He has gone from being “Sarge” to being a pretty good player’s coach.

Regarding Batum, I just think that Nate had an extremely green player filling in for small minutes. It made sense to give him a very proscribed role in the offense. Nate is not a fan of rookie mistakes, and he had three and sometimes four rookies in the rotation. The Blazers probably played more rookie minutes than any team in the league. Certainly, they played far more rookie minutes than any playoff team.

We will see if your fears are well founded over the next couple of seasons. The team is likely to be a lot more stable going into next season. I would be surprised if we were trying to integrate more than one or two new players into the rotation, and it is unlikely that any new player will be a rookie. More stability should result in greater flexibility.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang it!!

Just passed my 888 comment… Wanted to dedicate to the young and PROMISING BATUUUMMMMMM

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by B-ROYalty on May 7, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Nicolas Batum

He means so much to our team already at such a young age, imo he is one of the untouchables, already. I want to see him bulk up to 220-230 by the time he hits his prime, closer to where Scottie Pippen was. It would help him a lot in terms of hanging with Artest, LeBron, Carmello, Joe Johnson… All the players who as of now can dominate him due to size.

by TheGreatDane17 on May 7, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

my lastiig image

when I look back on a players season. I seam to picture one play in my head were they stood out. For Nic it was the last home game against the l@kers. in the first quarter and was stuck to Kobe like glue frustrating the hell out of him. It got tho the point were kobe was throwing body shots at him to try and back Nic up. that was just awesome.

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by farmboy on May 7, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I loved his "that's two" gesture to Pao the game before

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The future small forward is Martell

Batum is trade bait and his trade value may never be greater than it is right now. Please don’t tell me he is one of the untouchables or part of the core group. If we are going to move up in the playoffs next year we need to improve our point guard play. We need to go after Deron Williams or CP3, nobody less talented than these two. Blake can come off the bench. If we need to trade off multiple players to get a top tier point guard in a Blazer uniform so be it.

by toolman on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade bait?

Not according to KP.

by Benjamanic on May 7, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe in setting your sites on what you want or need.

What is the most important acquisition we need to make in the off season? I think everyone agrees that we need a point guard. Personally I want Deron Williams or CP3 in a Blazers uniform as I’ve already stated. I know its hard to let go of our personal feelings when it comes to the Blazers. I finally had to let go of my emotional attachment to GO. Maybe he’ll change but I think what your seeing now is what he’s going to be. Yes, I like Batum and know he probably has a big upside. But we need to win now. We have the opportunity. This waiting for players to develop and having a ten year championship window is a pipe dream. We are just a player or two away from title contention. The Blazer brain trust certainly knows this and we’ll surely see some changes during the off season.

by toolman on May 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't want Outlaw huh?

I love Outlaw….but…if I were king Id use him for trade bait over Batum. What you see is what you get….I’d love to develop Batum…if I were King….

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eww Norsk

No thanks ! :0 They are fools for trading away Sefolosha, we would be IDIOTS for trading away Batum.

Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr

by TheGreatDane17 on May 7, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three for one? Not that three.

Outlaw, Sergio, and Channing would probably be acceptable. I would even throw in some picks. Batum or Rudy, forget about it.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think he is trade bait

but you have to realize that KP will never trash a player. no way would he hurt their trade value by doing that, or the players confidence.

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by Philthyanimal on May 7, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can get Williams or Paul I'm all for it, in that case nobody outside of Roy is really safe

But both teams would trade man and mouse before their stars, and Utah really has no need to even look into trading. They are financially well off even if they have to let Boozer or Okur go.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alternate universe?

We don’t need CP3 or Williams., and I think our chances of pulling off such a trade are extremely remote. I do agree that our highest priority is improved PG play. However, with all due respect to Steve, there is a considerable amount of distance between Blake and CP3.

IMHO, Heinrich, or Miller, or even Bibby would be a step in the right direction until we find out if Bayless has the temperament, vision, and decision making skills to play the point.

In my opinion, Nic is, or should be, nearly untouchable. The only exception I can fathom would be if San Antonio was willing to trade Parker. If we could get Parker for a package of young talent that included Nic, I think you would have to take that.

Imagine: Parker, Roy, Martell, LMA and Oden. That would be something.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me put on my Spurs fan hat ::barf::

You know Portland, that Rudy Fernandez you have is an interesting player. I also like that Batum kid. How about George Hill, Ian Mahinmi, a re-signed Anthony Tolliver for them. Hey, we’d even be willing to include Malik Hairston and a first round pick. Deal, or deal?

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

History proves

that the greatest players have been traded in their prime. Chamberlain, Kareem, and Shaq just to name a few. Is calling any player untouchable really realistic?

by toolman on May 7, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

excellent call.

by Portland Dynasty on May 7, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying it is likely, I am saying I would do it if it was offered

There has been a lot of speculation that the Spurs may be ready to blow up the team and rebuild. If they opt to go that route, there is a possibility that they would conclude that they are lottery bound for a couple of seasons and that Parker may be on the down slope before they can rebuild.

I imagine that they would get better offers, but it would be interesting to see what kind of a consolidation package the Blazers could offer. Rudy, Outlaw, Nic, Bayless, Blake, Sergio, Frye and picks in some sort of combination for Parker. You could mix and match a lot of pieces to come up with a package that might be of interest.

Portland would likely have to give up a lot of depth, but the starting five would be amazing. Do the rest of you think it is beyond the pale?

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is half the rotation. And I don't see the Spurs starting a rebuilding by trading Parker.

I saw their brain trust wandering through Berlin last year during the Euroleague finals. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if some nice vet wound up next season on their roster (Siskauskas, Pargo, Childress, …). In 2010 they can likely finally bring Tiago Splitter over, the best center in Europe right now whose club sponsor is broke. That could help them to stay competitive until Duncan retires.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by last year I mean last weekend. They were there in full force: Popovich, Buford, Lindsey.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Euros

I’m tired of watching 7 footers taking and making three point shots. What happened to good old post up basketball? The Euros have ruined it.

by toolman on May 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness

a real C/PF coming from across the pond.

by toolman on May 7, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides, you don't blow up a team

by trading your only young player, unless you’re the suns, apparently, when that’s the first guy you look to move. No one dismantles a team wholesale. Heck, in 2004, we didn’t even ship everyone out, making the misguided decision to build around Z-Bo (not coincidentally our best young player).

Even the Thunder didn’t really blow it up until they had their young guy in Durant.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You brought up the "D" name

Once again it brings up the thought of Broy, LMA, and Durant playing together in my head. Kinda like what if Drexler and Jordan played together?

by toolman on May 7, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't saying "ship out half the team"

I was saying the Blazers have a lot of young, desirable pieces that could be put together in some fashion. Wheels and company where discussing this possibility after San Antonio’s spectacular flame-out.

I agree that it would be far more conventional to try to build around Parker, rather than trading their most desirable player. However, the scenario I expressed in my original post makes a certain kind of sense regarding Parker being on the down slope by the time they were back into contention.

My original statement was a throw in comment at the end of a post. I do not think it is remotely likely, but I do not think it was totally psychotic either.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's more likely than some other named stars albeit it would take some major alignment of lucky circumstances.

I could rather imagine e.g. the Wizards trying to get rid of Arenas ugly contract as an example of a star player coming on the market out of left field. And they would probably try to move Jamison first.

by Norsktroll on May 7, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, low odds propositon

But my doctor says that a fantasy a day can be good for your off-season health!

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh! You brought up Malik.

D leaguer!

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take him if they are giving him away.

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by 22baylor on May 8, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Parker would work. With teams such as the Spurs going out in the 1st round, players of Parker’s caliber may be available.

by toolman on May 7, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only way Parker leaves the Spurs is if he wants out.

Which could happen but SA has smart management and will probably continue bringing in enough talent to keep Parker happy.

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by Garden of ODEN on May 8, 2009 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm afraid Batum will be underdeveloped in Nate's system

Besides running the floor and shooting 3 pointers, will Nate allow him to be anything more than that? I know Batum can do much more with the ball. I hope he’ll have an opportunity to develop other parts of his game.

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by blzrfan on May 7, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dang u said it again!!!!

I’m wit ya

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I share your concerns

I just hope that McMillan loosens up a bit with an older, more experienced team.

by PoliSam on May 7, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nic will be a starter

Because of defensive matchups but I can see Rudy’s passing skills working very well with a catch and shoot guy like Martell

by southern oregon on May 7, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Martell will start over Nic

He’s the third scorer that the Blazers sorely missed in the playoffs. Martell can defend, drive, and rebound. He’s also got an NBA body. Next year will be his year.

by toolman on May 7, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell would have been a better matchup with the Rockets

But against the Kobe’s and Lebron’s of the world?no way

by southern oregon on May 7, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a night in and night out

basis, nobody in the league can defend either one of those two if they decide to bring it. However, each do occasionally have off nights. Being a Blazer fan, I dislike them both.

by toolman on May 7, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With you on that

But I dont think Nate was jiving Nic that the starting job is his till Martell proves otherwise

by southern oregon on May 7, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they are both around

in fall camp, it will surely be a battle. Can’t wait until next season!

by toolman on May 7, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my perfect world....

I want Martell to take Trav’s spot off the bench. Outlaw has moved to a seven seconds or less offense to fully realize his potential.

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wanna bet?

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by G_dubs on May 7, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree.

I tend to see Nic and Martell splitting the minutes pretty evenly, but with Nic starting and Martell providing scoring power off the bench.

If Nic is our best perimeter defender, he should be starting and trying to slow down the opponents top perimeter scorer.

Starting unit: PG to be acquired, Roy, Batum, LMA, and Oden.

Second unit: Bayless, Rudy, Martell, PF to be acquired, and Pryz

The second unit balances Bayless’ ability to get to the rim with Rudy and Martell as spot up shooters. Bayless is arlready decent at passing to the corners. Rudy’s passing ability will help take some of the distributing role off of Bayless. The new PF needs to be able to be at least somewhat of a scoring threat to be a good fit next to Pryz. How about McDyss, who is still reliable from mid-range, he would probably like one more shot at a ring.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Blake

Wouldn’t you want him on the second unit instead of Bayless? I still see Bayless as the 3rd PG. The only way he gets in that second line-up is he proves that he belongs there. He hasn’t done that yet. I’m still not convinced that he’s a PG. He plays like a 2 which puts him behind Broy and Rudy. He’s in a tough spot. Blake’s a proven point guard and will be a tremendous back-up for our All-Star point guard acquisition (wishful thinking on my part).

by toolman on May 7, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless needs to play

We need to find out if he is a long range answer at PG. Listen to KP talk about Bayless you can hear the excitement in his voice. Bayless has the physical tools, the question is whether he has the temperament, court vision, and decision making skills to become a distributor. Bayless has speed, strength, and athleticism. He didn’t show it much in games, but he has a reputation as a very good shooter. The coaching staff was attempting to retool his shot and I think it threw him off. Combine decent outside shooting with his ability to get to the rim and he is going to be a load.

I am assuming that the Blazers are likely to end up with someone like Bibby or Miller, who are older guys who have at best two or three years in the tank. I would be happier if we could get Heinrich who is basically Blake + defense.

Another possibility is that the Blazers can’t find an upgrade for Blake at a reasonable cost, in which case Blake stays as the starter until Bayless pries his cold dead fingers from the job.

Blake is a safer bet, but Bayless has a great deal more up-side potential, particularly on the defensive side.

by upper left corner on May 7, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't have the specific values

but I suspect that McDyess costs more than I’d like for our backup PF. I honestly had thought of McDyess and am intrigued by what he would bring to our team; I just don’t know if it’s cost effective enough.

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by MrGrinch on May 8, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Webster is healthy

Then there is no doubt in my mind we trade Outlaw.
Hopefully either Webster or Nic will develop into a All-Star caliber
player, but neither will watching Outlaw jack it on court.

by MotoMan045 on May 7, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I should add

that having had a Nic,Travis type build all my life it took me a vast amount of chinups,bar dips and pasta to gain just a few pounds when I was that age.Also since I was ever so right about Nic since before the draft I am predicting Freeland to be next year’s most pleasant suprise

by southern oregon on May 7, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I think too. I think Freeland is a potential banger that we're crying out for.

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by LaughingJon on May 7, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batum's strength

is that he invests his time and energy on the defensive end. Many players spend their careers never truly committed to defense. Here is a nineteen year old who already understands. If you had your pick, would you prefer a rookie with flashes of offensive brilliance but limited defense or defensive ability but weak offense. I choose the defense because I believe offense is easier to acquire, and the Blazers already have several players who need their shots. He can learn to be as offensive as the Blazers need him to be.

by jstamp26 on May 7, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This really is his biggest plus

and seemed to be somethign that Martell was starting to “get” also through last year, based on interviews. So many of the best defenders are older guys who realized that they had to make defense their calling card to stay in the league (i.e. Bruce Bowen, Ben Wallace). Usually it takes guys a couple years to bounce around before coming to this like Dahntay Jones did this year. Nic seems to be willing to do this coming out of the gate, so that’s a pretty promising development.

by Royster on May 7, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point Guard Away from Star

Others have noted this as well but we don’t need CP3 or D-Will to make Batum a star – only a good defender with great vision. Sergio has the makings and this year maybe he will be the breakout player to drive us forward. Note that last year Sergio almost never played with Nic. Sergio with Nic on the 2nd unit when Martell returns and this combination with Rudy might make Travis highly expendable.

Here is what Draft Express said about Nic:

Batum is the type of player who could really benefit from having a point guard with outstanding court vision, something he lacks here in Le Mans. One play that stood out in the Milano game was on a 3 on 2 fast break where he was streaking down the floor begging for a good lob that he could flush home. Instead, Raviv Limonad (a very talented scorer in his own right) threw up a wild pass that was not even close. Batum could get 4-6 points in this fashion just by moving off the ball every game, and this certainly seems to be an area that the free-flowing style of the NBA could benefit him.

and also:

He really does remind quite a bit of Rudy Gay, although he probably possesses an even better feel for the game. To really reach the type of success we can surely envision as a do-it all, 3rd option Scottie Pippen-type role player, he’ll have to land in the right situation, with a good point guard, and a coach that likes to play up-tempo. He’ll also have to be pushed quite a bit to get there, since he might not be able to get there if he’s on his own. We must say that he’s clearly making some important strides in this very valuable extra season he decided to give himself in Le Mans.

I started the season drooling over our Rudy and soon discovered that Nic was even more my pet cat. Can we keep them all? Not likely but the tools that Nic brings are as extraordinary as LA’s in his own right. Time and weight room and a point guard away. . .

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by lee3022 on May 7, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dave has come around and

most others have now seen Batum’s consistent benefit to the team. A few are still saying that Martell was straight out of HS and give him a couple years. Which rookies have just come out of HS from Europe (speaking a different language), started most of the games, and produced as well as Batum?

That defense of Kobie should have shut down the critics. You can bet that KP didn’t slough it off. Dave picked up on the other reason that Batum will play more minutes at SF next year than any other player. Batum makes other players around him better. As long as KP is here and building a better TEAM, role players who can defend and consistently demonstrate “Team-ball” abilities will get the minutes.

by spencerbutte on May 8, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Batum...

might be about as good as he is going to be right now or he could get better on offense, when the team needs him to do so post-Outlaw. . That is the range- all positive. On right now impact he is not “untouchable” but from a low salary / good value perspective with unknown but probably nice potential (the middle ground between not much and a whole lot) he is.

by StatRaven on May 11, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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