My odds concerning who will be back
What are the odds, for each current Blazer, that they will be wearing scarlet and black come the start of the 2009-10 campaign? In order of likelihood, here is my best guess.
Brandon Roy: >99.9%
I won't write 100% or 0% because there are no absolutes in sports--but I can't see any scenario, other than Cleveland offering LeBron and a pick, that Roy will be gone. Expect Roy to get a max extension this summer, to avoid having him be a FA after next season--and expect him to be in town for a long time.
Greg Oden: 98%
Barring some rather nasty I-want-out scenario, which I don't see happning, I expect Greg to be back. Having Greg on the roster is like being on <em>Deal or no Deal</em>, the million dollar case is still in play, and the banker's giving you nothing but lowball offers. If you get to play a dozen games, it's frequently beneficial to take a good offer from the bank--but there's only one shot. Oden stays. No deal. Now name your next case.
Joel Przybilla: 96%
If and when Oden turns into the stud we all want, and Joel starts rotting on the bench--it might be worth moving him. But until that day comes--Joel loves Portland and Portland loves Joel. He's not untouchable--but I wouldn't move Joel at this time except for a big man of similar quality, and I don't see any of those available.
LaMarcus Aldridge: 95%
Aldridge is another guy--like Roy--due for a contract extension--the Blazers have three guys on the team who were drafted in 06, and are entering the final year of their rookie deals (Sergio is the third; we'll deal with him later). There is no doubt--Roy gets a max deal; he's a top ten player in this league. But what of Aldridge? Five years ago, the trio of Z-Bo, AK47, and Pau Gasol all received max deals--and all three contracts are now regarded as big mistakes, as none is an all-NBA caliber player. Z-bo is toxic waste; AK47 is a decent bench contributor but one whose development has lagged. Only Gasol merits All-Star consideration--and even then, he's overpaid. LMA, at best, is probably in Gasol territory; expect there to be some negotiation back and forth concerning HIS contract. Sometimes, those things turn bad. (Also, LMA isn't untouchable--I could see him being moved for the right offer). I fully expect Aldridge to be back (and happy), but there are more things that could go wrong than with Roy.
Rudy Fernandez: 95%
Rudy seems happy with his role on the team, and there are no contract issues--unlike countryman Juan Carlos Navarro, who decided the NBA/US wasn't for him--there's little indication Rudy might want to return to Spain. OTOH, he's a starter quality player who is coming off the bench--if New Jersey were to call and offer Devin Harris for the Spanish Connection, I'd have to consider it. But expect Rudy to be back.
Martell Webster: 95%
A Webster trade would be unlikely given that he was hurt all season--he might not even be able to pass a trade physical at this point. OTOH, stranger things have happened. If any of our SFs get traded, I expect it to be Outlaw or...
Nicolas Batum: 90%
Nic had a horrible playoff series against Houston--but giving the monsters he was lined up against, the fact that he's a 19 year old rookie, and the fact that he makes women all over town swoon (at least one of them, anyway)--I expect him to be back. OTOH, he isn't untouchable, and can be moved for the right offer. It would be risky, given questions of Webster's health, but he's a desired asset. As is the remaining rookie, one...
Jerryd Bayless: 85%
Out of all four rookies, Bayless got to spend the least amount of time on the floor, and other than a brief run when Steve Blake was hurt, did little to justify any PT other than during garbage time. He's another guy with the "Potential" label, though, and was reportedly inquired about quite a bit during the rush to the trading deadline. His position--PG/tweener--and the unsettled nature of the post make him the rookie most likely to be moved; however out of the three Blazer PGs, I think he's the most likely to return.
Steve Blake: 70%
Blake has had doubters every where he has gone, and has generally silenced them. But is he the starting PG for a champion? Given that prior NBA champions have started guys like Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, BJ Armstrong, Steve Kerr, and Avery Johnson at the point--and that guys like Chris Paul, Steve Nash, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, and Deron Williams are all ringless (if it weren't for his stint with Miami, you could add Gary Payton to the list)--I'd say the answer is "maybe". If Oden turns into the beast we expect, and either Martell or Batum were to add the ability to beat folks off the dribble--Blake could be the PG that gets us there. OTOH, on a team whose only scoring threats are Roy and LMA, an upgrade at the other positions is probably warranted--and Blake, who will be a FA next season (assuming his option for next year is picked up, which it will be), could be the guy who is upgraded. That might mean a trade (many have suggested a Blake+spare parts for Kirk Hinrich trade), or a demotion to the bench should someone else assume the starting QB role. Most likely, Blake will be back next year--he meshes well with Brandon--but out of the five starters, he's the most likely IMO to not return.
Travis Outlaw: 50%
A highly controversial player, to say the least--teams love his ability to get a shot over almost anybody--and loathe his ability to disappear, and to look lost on defense. This is an option year for Travis, and the Blazers will certainly pick up the option--but he's among the Most Likely To Be Traded among the team. If he does stay, I expect him to get fewer minutes next year--were that to occur it would probably help him, as the team could focus on what he does well (score) and not be dependent on him to do the things he does poorly (everything else).
Sergio Rodriguez: 30%
Despite everything, Sergio still isn't happy. His game did improve, and having Rudy around certainly helped--but Sergio would be better suited to another system--such as Mike d'Antoni in New York. Given that he's entering the final year of his rookie deal, and I don't expect the Blazers to extend him--the best time for Portland to move him would be this summer. He could be back, but I think Portland will look to add a PG, and if they do, Sergio is most likely the odd man out.
Channing Frye: 10%
Martell Webster, whose rookie deal expired this season, was extended last fall.
Frye, drafted three picks afterward in the same draft, was not. Since that bit of motivation, he's done nothing to justify coming back, other than injecting himself into the local cultural fabric and Pearl District scene. Juan Dixon loved the Pearl, too--that didn't keep him from being sent packing.
Unlike the three guys below, though, Frye can play NBA ball--there are a few teams that have use for a jumpshooting PF who doesn't rebound or play D very often. He'll be employed next year at one of them, possibly in a sign-and-trade.
But chances are, he won't be wearing a Portland jersey come November. I
Raef LaFrentz, Michael Ruffin, Shavlik Randolph. <0.1%
Raef's career is likely done; Ruffin was acquired only for his contract (and is otherwise not a KP/Nate player), and Randolph had the distinction of spending the most games on the inactive list of players who weren't hurt at the time. None will be back in a Blazer uniform next season. Raef won't be back in the league; and the other two, if they are in the NBA, probably won't be playing for a guaranteed contract.
Oh, and one more
Nate McMillan, 95%
McMillan has one year remaining on his deal, which was for five years, signed in 2005. Nate has his critics around town--there seems to be a "fire Nate" chorus that periodically pipes up. But he's highly regarded among those who know basketball. The thing the Blazers ought to be considering is not whether or not to keep Nate--they instead should be working on his contract extension.
Nate has shown that he will walk if lowballed. Just ask Seattle. :)
It is entirely possible that McMillan intends to move on after next year--when asked about his contract status, he recently said something like "I'm going to honor my deal with the team"--which COULD be read that he wants to go elsewhere afterwards. If Nate does want to go elsewhere--and help build up another young team, for instance--I wish him good luck. But if McMillan wants to stay in Portland, the time to make that happen is now.
At any rate, barring a spectacular breakdown of a contract negotiation, I fully expect McMillan to be prowling the sidelines for the Blazers next season.
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I would put Shav (20%), Raef (10%, veteran and trade bait) and even Ruffin (5%) higher
And maybe Martell on the same level with Travis, although KP seemed very convinced of both on Courtside. Maybe both at 65%? I’m also not that convinced KP would demote Blake to backup, but that he would rather be involved in a point guard trade if we bring in a new starter. But all in all I would agree.
by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Raef won't be on the opening-day roster
It is possible that he may be signed to do a Keith Van Horn type detail, where he is signed to a 3-year deal with one year guaranteed, traded somewhere for cap reasons, and then never plays and is cut after a year—but that would not result in him being on our opening-day roster.
Shav MIGHT play next year—but I doubt it. If he wants back, he’ll have to win a spot in camp. And I expect that unlike Ime Udoka (who came out of camp to win a full-time NBA job), Shav never showed he belonged in the NBA—so he’s actually further BEHIND the other prospects who will participate in the team’s summer and fall camps.
Unlike most of the other camp attendees looking for an NBA job; we know Shav sucks, and we know just how hard he sucks. He had his chance here—he didn’t make it. Time to find a new mascot to ride the pine.
Ruffin, likewise, was acquired for one reason only—a bit of contract and luxury tax savings. He’s been around the league long enough that I don’t expect much improvement from him.
I’m pretty certain that none of these three will be wearing a Blazer uniform next year. I’d be surprised if more than one of them is playing for any NBA team this fall.
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by EngineerScotty on May 6, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised if they traded Blake
They already did, once, for those that remember.
He was dealt as part of a package to Milwaukee for Jamaal Magloire’s expiring contract. In the press at the time, his reaction was shocked and dismayed. He felt it was a betrayal of trust, when he had done everything asked of him in Portland. When his contract expired at the end of the year, he promptly re-signed here with Pritchard once Patterson was gone.
So let’s look at Blake’s performance this past season. By most measures, he had a career (to date) season, shooting 42.7% from the three point line, 84% from the free throw line, and taking and making more attempts than at any previous point in his career while playing more minutes. They were 46-24 with him in the lineup, more wins than last season in 12 fewer games.
If the Blazers can find a better point guard, Blake will come off the bench. If they can’t, he’ll start.
by baduk on May 6, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And that better PG will be Bayless
Unless Kp and Nate decide top completely give up on Bayless long-term, I think the real competition is who will be the long term back-up between Sergio and Blake. Whoever loses will be traded. That may not happen this summer but it will be decided by sumnmer 2010.
by NWfan on May 6, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
News Flash: Bayless is not a point guard
He’ll prove it in summer league, then they’ll look to move him.
It’s unclear where an undersized combo guard who doesn’t shoot very well is going to get his minutes.
by baduk on May 6, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really should say...
“prove it again in summer league”
He was forgettable in his point guard minutes last summer league, but won the MVP because he was unstoppable as a shooting guard. Alas for Bayless, the Blazers have a pretty good shooting guard already.
by baduk on May 6, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think part of that was
a. there wasn’t anyone else to pass to on the team
PetKo was also there and Bayless slid over to the 2 to make room for himc. After a few games where JB was frustrated at being a distributor to people who couldn’t score, they allowed him to just be a ball hog to buoy up his overall confidence.
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by 22baylor on May 7, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The PetKo thing
is b.
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by 22baylor on May 7, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless doesn't have to be a true point guard
Roy initiates most of the offense once we cross half court. Bayless would need to bring the ball up should teams press, then he’d hand off to Roy and play off guard. That said, Bayless still needs to work on his spot up shooting, as well as his decision making, but to write a kid with the work ethic Bayless has, is just ludicrous.
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by lefty6283 on May 6, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots of players have incredible work ethics
and end up shooting hoops in their backyards.
but that comes across as snark that i don’t really mean directed at you — it’s directed at bayless, who i’ve lost a lot of confidence in… to the point where i’m really not sure whether it’s worth screwing around with him too much. always accepting here that i don’t know what nate knows.
but he missed too many open shots. he made a few lay-ups and dunks, but his % on jumpers must have been about 10%. and many of these were more or less unguarded, late in decided games, where if you actually can shoot you just put it in. if he was nervous then when will he not be nervous? in a close game?
so i have not seen the player i understood him to be.
work ethic is not applicable without translation into results.
ignacio
by ignacio on May 7, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rookie season?
I hear what your saying….and I somewhat agree. I personally think they will attempt to run at point this summer again and on that basis will either give him a shot or look to trade him.
I don’t think blake is going anywhere, and since Sergio is clearly moving out, they will need Bayless for PG or they will trade for another PG…
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on May 7, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice post
Rec.
I think Roy, Aldridge, Oden & Webster are safe. I can’t really give a % for anyone else.
As for McMillan, I don’t think Paul Allen will have a problem giving him the money he wants & deserves.
by TheGreatDane17 on May 6, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Consolidate talent
After reading PortlandDynasty synopsis/consensu poll post, I realized that consolidating our taltent should be a priority. PG has been a perfect example, If we could combine all the positves of Blake, Sergio and Bayless into one player we’d all be ecsatic. Now I think we have the best potential at pg given that to consolidate thousse guys we’d need a CP or Deron williams in return (AKA not going to happen). So that bring me to our other we spot, back up 4 which is currentlly Trout and Channing. We like both the guys but there are problems with both guys games. David lee is a restricted free agent and we have cheap talent with short contracts. Maybe we could trade Trout and either Sergio (or Frye) for David Lee. NY would get two players that could fir D’antonio’s system and we’d get a great hustle type player to play behind Lma and could give occasional spot 5 minutes (though undersized). We’d need to fill the third string PG (Kaponnen). Does anyone else think this might be feasible? if not why not?
ps. EngineerScotty, I don’t mean to highjack your post but this didin’t seem worhty of it’s own fanpost and was the most appropriate setting for my comment.
by NWfan on May 6, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about David Lee
How much of his production is the seven seconds or less system? Look at what happened to Nash the first part of the season under Porter. That said, as long as Lee is getting paid like a backup PF that will play 25 minutes a game I’d be fine with that acquisition.
by KitIsh on May 6, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee is very much a hustle guy
He kind of reminds me of Chris Anderson with more offense and less shot blocking. Just the kind of player and age that we could use (for a long time). I wouldn’t pay him that much, but you’re right he get about 25 minutes a night and would be worth a bit more than the mid-level exception.
by NWfan on May 6, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a problem
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
by EngineerScotty on May 6, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought of doing a post like this.
You did one first, so instead of making a new fanpost, I will put my thoughts here. Novel idea, I know, but it never hurts to try something new every once in a while.
Not who I think should stay, but who I think will be here.
Roy, Batum, Rudy and Oden will be here no matter what. Roy is Roy. Batum wasn’t traded with LaFrentz for aging starts, they think he’s something special. Anmd as we all know, Rudy was a lot of work to get here. No way their giving up now. It’s far too soon to give up on Oden, they need to see what he can do before giving him up yet.
Aldridge and Przybilla will be here unless the mother of all trades is offered. Aldridge is close to being an All-Star, and just finished his third year. Przybilla is the σπλάγχνα of this team, he gives us intestinal fortitude.
Bayless, Blake, Outlaw and Webster are all somewhat likely to be back. At their price tags, it’s hard to justify getting rid of them, despite their flaws. The right deal changes this, but is the right deal out there?
Sergio, I put at 50/50. His end-of-the-year comments I think hurt his trade value, while increasing the likelihood of him leaving. Thanks buddy.
Frye’s skill set is too good to sit at the end of our bench, and is likely to leave. Someone will overpay for a jumpshooting bigman.
Odds are not good for Ruffin, Randolph and LaFrentz, unless Portland can find no one better to fill roster spots with.
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by T Darkstar on May 6, 2009 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
KP has hitched his wagon to LA
How many times does he have to call LA part of his big 3 before people realize he won’t be traded?
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by tominhawaii on May 7, 2009 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have used percentages.
I would be shocked if the Blazers traded Aldridge for anything except an established All-Star in their prime. And those guys are never available. Odds of happening are worse than Ol’ Glue Factory winning the Kentucky Derby.
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by T Darkstar on May 7, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I still think Oden, LA, Roy, and maybe Rudy will define KP’s career. If they don’t succeed, KP will be seen as a mediocre GM.
by tominhawaii on May 7, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KP will get things done.
As long as he and Paul Allen are together….dang. Look out.
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by prezofdeath on May 7, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Tom Penn too.
man i hope that guy doesn’t leave. Paul Allen needs to pay Penn like twice the going rate of a GM so Penn isn’t tempted to leave.
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by prezofdeath on May 7, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
despite all our dissatisfaction in the playoffs with outlaw
it’s surprising to me that the kneejerk reaction seems to be “trade.” why not “bench”? as we’ve seen, there are always injuries, and if we rely on martell for instance, well… stress fractures of the foot are known to recur. if he had an office job it wouldn’t be a problem, but we’re this large and heavy human to repeatedly leap high and land hard.
which is why webster iis most likely untradeable. therefore, sf next season will probably be martell and batum. a reasonable third should be available if needed. some might say plug rudy in. well, ok. but that’s not the greatest option if the only other sf on the team is nicholas batum.
ignacio
by ignacio on May 7, 2009 12:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nice post
My one squabble is the percentage you give Nate. Unfortunately I would give it a lower rating, somewhere around 70%. I have no proof to back this up, I just get the feeling his is done with Portland…
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on May 7, 2009 1:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I could see him leaving after next year
I would be surprised were he not on the Blazer sideline for 09-10.
That said—-there occasionally does appear to be this vibe—of a fundamental disagreement in where the team is headed and how it should play. Or so it seems from occasional things in the press. But it could simply be limited information, amplified by overactive imaginations.
Nate could have discovered his role in the NBA: A coach who joins a young team full of talented but inexperienced kiddies, and whips them into shape as seasoned pros, and teaches ’em right—always staying for five years, then moving on when the kiddies are all grown up. Kinda the opposite of a Phil Jackson or a Larry Brown, both who excel at leading veteran teams to rings. (Phil, anyways… Brown, not so much).
Of course, I’d rather Nate stay and pick up the rings he deserves… but there you go.
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by EngineerScotty on May 7, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean about the weird vibe, Scotty.
The thing that makes no sense is why Nate would build a team into a contender but then not want to stick around to reap the rings. That’s why I dismiss the idea that he will leave.
by MiledAnimal on May 7, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've had the same weird feeling.
i sure hope it ain’t so.
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by prezofdeath on May 7, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
italics didn't work in that 2nd paragraph,
if you wanna go back and edit that
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by cloudydays on May 7, 2009 1:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Nate left...
He would be basically telling the Blazers and the rest of the NBA that he doesn’t want to win an NBA Championship, because he would rather take a bad team to the next level than take a good team to the next level. He would be an idiot if he left Portland.
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by BlazerFan88 on May 7, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Chances for Blake staying are pretty good.
And it would be the right move. He’s a glue guy even if he isn’t an ideal starter, as many have argued.
I would lose faith in KP if he traded Batum. After the trade deadline, it was reported that KP considers Batum “untouchable”. I agree. That guy will make the NBA All-Defensive team someday and possibly make a couple All-Star appearances if he stays healthy. I’ve seen a lot of poise, maturity, and understanding of what he can and can’t do on the court this year.
by Benjamanic on May 7, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fun FanPost and a great idea! Nice work!
My ratings on the player’s likelihood of returning would be
- Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden + Nate McMillan as 95-100%
- Rudy Fernandez at 90-95%
- Jerry Bayless and Marvin Webster at 80-85%
- Travis Outlaw + Nicholas Batum at 70-75% — not convinced Pritchard is as down on Travis as many fans are. The only reason I wouldn’t place him higher is because he’s great trade bait.
- Steve Blake at 50%
- Sergio Rodriguez at 10%
- Channing Frye + Raef LaFrentz 5-10% — Raef could be a good third string center if he could get healthy.
- Shavlik Randolph and Michael Ruffin at 0%
by NBR on May 7, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Raef is pretty much done
His knees are shot, he had the ankle injury last season—and he didn’t bother travelling with the team, or training with the team, or re-habbing. It’s not like he was persona non grata—he and the brass came to an understanding that a) he wasn’t playing for the team this season; b) he wasn’t coming back next seasion, so c) what he does is up to him.
If Raef wanted to stay in the league, he probably would have worked with the team, even if he couldn’t play.
The way he went out makes me strongly think, he’s done.
Kinda too bad—while never All-Star material, LaFrentz could play decent ball before his knees went south on him.
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by EngineerScotty on May 7, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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