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The Season in Review: LaMarcus Aldridge

We're going to run down the roster alphabetically as we review individual seasons which puts LaMarcus Aldridge in the lead-off spot.

I'm going to provide stats in each of these posts.  There are hundreds of possible combinations to choose from.  I'm going to stick to basics with a couple of usually-indicative advanced stats thrown in.  I'll also give you links to more in-depth information if you want to go farther.

 

Games Played 81
Games Started 81
Minutes per Game 37.1
Points per Game 18.1
FG ATT per Game 15.3
FG% 48.4%
3PT ATT per Game 0.3
3PT% 25.0%
FT ATT per Game 4.1
FT% 78.1%
Off Rebs per Game 2.9
Def Rebs per Game 4.6
Total Rebs per Game 7.5
Assists 1.9
Steals 1.0
Blocks 1.0
Turnovers 1.5
Personal Fouls 2.6
Effective FG% 48.6%
PER 19.1
Plus/Minus +5.98

 

 

This was another solid season for LaMarcus Aldridge.  He started the year somewhat sporadically as the arrival of Greg Oden pushed him out of the low post offensive position into which he had been unceremoniously shoved the two years prior.  Though he still produced double-digit scoring figures almost every night his offense looked tentative.  As the season progressed and Oden stalled offensively LaMarcus began to re-assert himself.  By the time Greg went down in February he was primed to assert himself as a leading scorer alongside Brandon Roy.  In the first 54 games of the season LaMarcus scored 20 or more points 19 times.  After the Oden injury he topped 20 in 14 of the Blazers' last 28 games.  The Blazers went to him in all phases of the shot clock and in multiple situations, a sure sign of their developing reliance on him as an offensive plank.

Despite that LaMarcus' overall point production remained about the same as last season.  He played 2.2 minutes more per game, adding only 0.3 points to his scoring average.  His field goal percentage remained dead even at 48.4%.  His gain in fouls drawn was negligible.  This highlights one of the problematic aspects of Aldridge's game.  Two out of every three shots he takes is a mid-range jumper.  Though he's proficient at hitting them, particularly on the turn-around, it's difficult to generate more points with that style without just baldly taking more shots.  LaMarcus doesn't generate free throws at a star-scorer level.  He's not a three-point shooter either.  (He could be, perhaps, but it would be hard to regard that as an optimal use of his height and talent.)  That lack of extra points is a millstone around his overall production.  His effective field goal percentage backs that up.

Defensively LMA showed more awareness this year than in years past.  He seldom got hung up out of position.  He averaged fewer blocks but he made more stops and created more problems for the opponent in his rotations.  Still he's not what you'd call a threatening post defender, particularly when matched one-on-one against a stronger opponent.  Teams worry far more about LaMarcus' offense than his defense.

LaMarcus does get offensive rebounds but his rebounding production in all categories remained stagnant this year.  One could argue that Joel Przybilla and Greg Oden hog up a disproportionate number of rebounds but when they were being taken out of the game in the playoff series against the Rockets LaMarcus was only able to step up intermittently...this while being matched against legitimate power forwards.

On the whole, however, LaMarcus provided a significant positional advantage for the Blazers over other power forwards.  His PER of 19.1 is good but his PER advantage over other power forwards is +6 which borders on phenomenal.  Whatever strengths or weaknesses he has in his game, Aldridge is still a tough matchup.

This is less true when LaMarcus slides over to center.  Except for field goal percentage his stats were lower at the 5 and his positional advantages all but disappeared.  Whatever the Blazers may make of the small lineup in spurts Aldridge probably won't be a long-term option in the middle.

Two numbers stick out to LaMarcus' credit more than any other this year.  First, he played 81 out of 82 games, his first (nearly) full season in the league.  His body held up and he looked just as fresh and active at the end of the season as he did at the outset.  Second, the plus-minus of nearly 6 speaks volumes about his value to this team.  That stat can betray you in small slices but over the course of a season it's properly indicative.  This team plays better, particularly offensively, when LaMarcus is an option in the lineup.  The pressure on everybody else goes up when he's not in the game.

With a few more trips to the hole, a couple more fouls drawn, and a pair of defensive rebounds or so LaMarcus Aldridge could be a decent-sized star in this league.  Even now without those things happening he is a star in the Blazers' universe.  The team is not in their comfort zone without him.  He may be the least replaceable member of this squad right now when you factor in his effect on the game and the strength of the players behind him.  For your third year and for playing on a 54-win team that's not bad.

The main question facing LaMarcus is how badly he wants to improve his game.  He could easily make a nice NBA career playing at his current level.  The Blazers will need more from him, as would any team that wants to feature him and plans to win a championship.  He's just shy of star-level now and might have the potential to hit near-superstar status.  How far he progresses up that ladder will depend largely on his off-season work ethic and his burning desire to win at any cost (including getting banged and bumped getting to the hole) during the regular season and playoffs.  The physical part of his game is coming along nicely.  He has the tools.  Can he put them all together and employ them with passion?

Outside of a Chris-Paul-level deal LaMarcus isn't going anywhere.  Over-the-hill stars won't pry him away from the Blazers.  Promising youngsters won't either.  It would take an Olympian in their prime to make Portland even blink at this point.  LMA is at the heart of the promising young core of this team and is likely to be there for a long time.

What do you see in LaMarcus' game?  What areas did he progress in this year and what more do you want from him?  Is he the starting power forward of the future for this team or do you foresee a change down the road?

Bone up on more stats at 82Games.com and BasketballReference.com.

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Outside of a Chris-Paul-level deal LaMarcus isn’t going anywhere. Over-the-hill stars won’t pry him away from the Blazers. Promising youngsters won’t either. It would take an Olympian in their prime to make Portland even blink at this point. LMA is at the heart of the promising young core of this team and is likely to be there for a long time.

Your telling me you wouldn’t blink if you could get a Deron Williams, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose or Rajon Rondo for LMA? Realistically, LMA isn’t going anywhere (unless a Chris Bosh type becomes available again), but let’s not go crazy with hyperbole. There are about 10 players who are below Chris Paul level who I would trade LaMarcus for in a heartbeat.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 1:16 AM PDT reply actions  

btw

I liked April LaMarcus an awful lot. I want to see that guy all year next season.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

that one game against

San Antonio…Where he had 35 and 18. I want to see more of that LA. Just need to light a fire under him so he doesn’t rely on the jumper and gets aggressive.

by RipCityRevival52 on May 6, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

35 and 18 was against the "Thunder"

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh thats right

somehow that doesnt have the same ring to it. lol

by RipCityRevival52 on May 6, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

In 1-2 years

It will have a ring to it…they’re gonna be good unless they screw things up.

by DonkeyShins on May 6, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

?are you crazy?

Show me another player for $5,844,826 at the PF spot that has LMA consistency. 10 guys? I don’t know, I suppose Chris Bosh but would you really go with an unknown consistency player for more than double the salary? Why?

I think your nuts talking trade for LMA unless and only if you are talking Chris Paul…End of list.

I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.

by Eat Politicians on May 6, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Rose, maybe

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on May 6, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Def Rose

I love LMA, but Rose could be a legend.

Then I rose, wiping the blunts ash from my clothes
Then froze only to blow the herb smoke through my nose

by Illmatic88 on May 6, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA's no bargain basement PF

Lamarcus isn’t making that much out of the goodness of his heart. He’s on the rookie scale. He will be making $10 million or more next year, in all likelihood.

He may get signed to a max or near-max deal, in fact, perhaps in part to protect his ego.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on May 6, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

since you asked I would trade LMA for the following players

In addition to the relatively young MVP candidates (ie James, Paul, Wade, Howard), I would swap him for Tony Parker, Deron Williams, Chris Bosh, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Danny Granger, Kevin Durant, Amare Stoudemire and Pau Gasol.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

He’s still getting better. You saw that towards the end of the year.

James, Paul, Wade, Howard Yes.
Parker, Yes.
Williams, Yes.
Rose, Yes.
Durant, Yes.
All the rest, no.

Then I rose, wiping the blunts ash from my clothes
Then froze only to blow the herb smoke through my nose

by Illmatic88 on May 6, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Durant, No.

Not for a guy who has shown he makes his team worse when he hits the floor.

by LaoTzu on May 6, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, you and I have different stances on Danny Granger, Kevin Durant, and Amare Stoudemire.

Granger is the LaMarcus Aldridge of small forwards, Durant is arguably the worst wing defender in the NBA, and the questions surrounding Stoudemire — such as injury and attitude concerns — are too big of questions marks for me.

I also wouldn’t trade Aldridge for Deron Williams, who’s too slow to satisfactorily defend quicker point guards and probably wouldn’t be the most apt backcourt fit next to Brandon Roy. Next, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Tony Parker, and Rajon Rondo probably aren’t going anywhere; howevver, none of them have efficient jump shots — which is one of two reasons why I’m a huge Kirk Hinrich fan, with the other being his outstanding defense — so I’d be tentative to making such a deal.

All in all, that leaves only one realistic option standing — as none of the potential MVP candidates (i.e., Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, & Chris Paul) nor Pau Gasol are going to be dealt anywhere — with that being none other than Chris Bosh.

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by AK1984 on May 6, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

How do you guys even have these conversations?

I know we are not supposed to make it personal. I don’t know how else to ask the question without going there.

How do you see players on other teams as untouchable, but not when it comes to the Blazers? And even if you realize they are untouchable and talk about their trade value anyhow, isn’t their trade value infinity, and therefore a pointless conversation?

Saying that a player would only be traded for someone like LeBron James is also pointless, because trading away LeBron would end the careers of everyone involved in trading him away.

" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy

by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I consider Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, Joel Przybilla, and Nicolas Batum "untouchable" .....

pieces, albeit for different reasons.

1. Brandon Roy is a superstar and franchise cornerstone — as well as a top-ten player in the NBA — so here’s not going anywhere.

2. Greg Oden has the potential to be a superstar two-way pivotman; thus he’s exactly the kind of player that a team needs as its anchor.

3. Joel Przybilla is the best backup center in the NBA and is fairly compensated for what he provides the team. If Kevin Pritchard was dumb enough to trade Przybilla, then the Portland Trail Blazers would have a gaping hole at that roster spot and couldn’t fill it.

4. Nicolas Batum is a raw, yet young defensive-minded small forward who’s got immense potential — although it’s possible he’ll amount to nothing more than the second-coming of Mickael Pietrus or, perhaps, flame out like Tariq Abdul-Wahad — therefore, the team must hang onto him.

by AK1984 on May 6, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crush

AK1984 crushes on Batum = Portland Dynasty crushes on Bayless

by Portland Dynasty on May 6, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Nicolas Batum, but I'm not a huge fan of his.

I save my fandom for Mike Miller, Kirk Hinrich, Jeff Foster, et al.

by AK1984 on May 6, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why??

The only one on that list that should have any fans is Hinrich.

by Roybot on May 6, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's fair to say

that AK values players in ways that the typical fan might look past or not recognize.

SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.

by MrGrinch on May 7, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

They're all white?

I kid…i kid…

"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach

by jamon51 on May 11, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of that

Bosh is the one guy you have to trade LMA for, given the chance.

He is a potential future MVP, and I don’t think you can say that about Lamarcus.

Granger, Durant, etc. manage to score a lot of points without having a huge impact on their teams winning games.

Deron Williams, I’m not sure about. I’ve never thought he was slow on D. But I don’t watch the Jazz much.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on May 6, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would trade LMA for

In addition to the relatively young MVP candidates (ie James, Paul, Wade, Howard), I would swap him for Tony Parker, Deron Williams, Chris Bosh, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Danny Granger, Kevin Durant, Amare Stoudemire and Pau Gasol.

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by cloudydays on May 7, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

on an individual basis

Deron Williams… he’s on Paul’s level IMO… of course you make that deal.
Devin Harris… he’s a borderline guy, but might need the ball a little too much on offense to be effective here. Has no three ball.
Derrick Rose… he looks lost on defense out there. Again, no three ball, and although he can slash with the best of em, isn’t that what Roy is here for?
Rajon Rondo… I love defense which is why I’d consider this one, but again no shot and shrugs away in big moments.
Chris Bosh… I’d rather have LMA at this point. Bosh is terrible on defense. He boards a bit better, but not by much. Also not much of a need here considering what we’re looking at hopefully from our center (starter and backup).

by as11osu on May 6, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

agh
Deron Williams… he’s on Paul’s level IMO… of course you make that deal.

Chris Paul’s rookie season is as good as Deron Williams’ best season. He is a definite step down.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 6, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's a step down

but at least in the same ball park. There are very few deals that I would make for Chris Paul that I wouldn’t make for Deron Williams, also. Beyond that, it’s just parsing pointless Jazz fan arguments.

by Royster on May 6, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

D-Will > CP3

IMO I would rather had Deron Williams than Cp3 on the Blazers. There is something about Deron Williams game that is just alot more pleasant to watch than Chris Paul’s. He is so quick but also big and just hops around the court making dime passes to teammates to get them involved. Can also step up and drain that big three when he needs to. Chris Paul is good dont get me wrong. Paul and DWill are by far and away the 2 best points in the league but somehow Id much rather have Deron. Paul barks at his teammates a la Kobe and plays with an annoying arrogance. Deron and Roy, now thats a back court.

by RipCityRevival52 on May 6, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we had Deron and Brandon

Nobody’s ankles would be safe.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

I wonder if that would ever be possible. Certainly would toss up LA for him straight up.

by RipCityRevival52 on May 6, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we had...

The Cobra Kai karate kids… nobody’s ankles would be safe either.

by Portland Dynasty on May 6, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Derons a better defender and dominates CP3 when they play heads up

CP3 complains more than anyone on this earth and isn’t actually what we’re looking for defensively, he’s just a gambler. Deron locks people up, as CP3 is evidence of when he is defended by him. Better defender, better team player, better guy. CP3 is the slightly better shooter, which accounts for the difference. Overall they’re equal or very near it.

by as11osu on May 6, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stats

But you saw how he preformed against Billups too. He gets the steals by being a gambler, being quick & talented, and having the refs on his side. Showy and MVPish. Same on offense but that is where he is so good. Being able to play such a loose game and not have more turnovers, even with the refs on his side, is pretty amazing.

I’m on the D Will side because I want someone who helps neutralize the best opposing PG, can still make great passes, and hit his shot very well when given some room. Plus he’d cost less (though still out of this world expensive).

But really, you can make a plan for getting these guys as long as you remember to count on it not happening. Neither of these guys are old vets who can sign on to win. They need their payday first.

by staylost on May 6, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

rondo shrugs away in big moments?

what was his stat line in game 6 of the finals, a close out game?
22/8/7/6 …something like that?
No, he isnt a good shooter, but I dont think he shrugs from the big moment by any means, he will make his impact in the clutch in many areas

by PaintItBlack on May 6, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because they have Ray Allen and Paul Pierce to take the big shots......

Rondo hides?

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes... Rondo hides

Przybilla is a great defender, but a liability offensively with the game on the line. That is why he’s not in there. Same deal with Rondo. He’ll give the ball up to Allen or Pierce and then hide in a corner or on the wrong side of the 3 point line out front. He doesn’t want to see the ball again, and thanks to the fact they have those other two guys he usually doesn’t. If we didn’t have a guy like Roy who could penetrate it would be a slightly different story, but we do. Rondo hurts you offensively with the game on the line.

by as11osu on May 6, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glad you wisely left you KG

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be

the reason the world “level” was included.

—Dave

by Dave on May 6, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

But in terms of shock value if the trade were to go down

almost all of them are. “Level” in this case meant “improbability of the trade happening” as much as “talent of the player we’d be taking back”. Gasol and Granger wouldn’t be big stretches, but it’s probably more unlikely that Chicago would trade Rose than N.O. would trade Paul, for instance. In any case, LaMarcus alone isn’t enough to get either.

—Dave

by Dave on May 6, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

none of those guys are coming here

and even if they did, who’s our new PF (unless it’s Bosh)?

by hellsfrozenover on May 6, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, too, would trade LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Fernandez, and Raef LaFrentz -- who'd be re-signed to a ...

three-year, $16,650,000 contract, with only the first-year guaranteed at non-escalating annual salaries of $5,550,000 — to the Toronto Raptors for Chris Bosh sometime after the July moratorium, albeit only if such a deal was on the table and Bosh would sign a four-year, maximum-level contract extension.

Bosh, by the way, can’t sign a contract extension until three years after he signed his current contract (i.e., 7/14/2006); thus, I’d wait to consummate such a deal until the point that he could officially sign a contract extension immediately after being traded to the Trail Blazers.

by AK1984 on May 6, 2009 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way

Rudy and LaMarcus are way too sexy to trade for some guy with a dinosaur face.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

nooo wayyy.

your talking some jibberish there. RUDY AND ALDRIDGE.

Aldridge a lone is better than Bosh. Bosh only looks good because he plays for a crappy team and he’s the only scorer, crap channing frye can put up his numbers if he plays for toronto.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Toronto or any GM would do this in a heartbeat

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the most part, I'm not into comic book movies. Heck, I'm not into comic books in general.

I’m looking foward to possibly viewing Star Trek, Angels & Deamons, Brüno, and Funny People and this summer — along with non-mainstream flicks like Management, Away We Go, Whatever Works, and (500) Days of Summer — as well as an upcoming blockbuster, 2012, this fall.

by AK1984 on May 6, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems like I didn't close one of the italics in that post.

As it is, though, only the movies are supposed to be italicized.

by AK1984 on May 6, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have faith that you'd come up with a deal to move the X-Men tickets ...

… probably with Kevin Durant for Mike Miller and a future 1st round pick.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on May 6, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would not trade LMA for a 2nd teir PG straight up.

Even if they’re the better player, all that’s doing is creating a hole in the roster and filling another. I realize you’re not a big fan of LMA but you seem to really underrate him. Some are guilty of overrating him yes, but you are just as guilty in the opposite sense.

We would be real weak at PF without Aldridge, he makes it into a strength. At this point the only PF I would want for Aldridge would be Bosh. Amare’s attitude, injuries and defense & rebounding are all reasons to avoid him. Most of the same can be said for someone like Boozer. Others are either too old for our core or cost way too much compared to Aldridge for a small improvement.

I can agree with you though that I would like to see late March and April’s Aldridge all year next year.

by Bskey on May 6, 2009 4:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

derrick rose, yes

deron williams? maybe. It seems like the point was the player would have to be of that level to consider a deal, not whether or not they’d do it.

Yellow Mamba FTW!

by northwestj on May 6, 2009 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

the can of worms.. aka trade ideas

Would someone send those to Travis, he needs some fishing bait.
I’m not going that direction and hope the PTB stick with the plan in place. Nice young talent of still emerging layers of ability. Lamarcus a prime example. There’s no need to rush anything. I want to see Lamarcus continue to develop wearing rose red. His only real knock is sadly the “too soft” label. That is applied by many not considering ruggedness and toughness is an earned value and typically takes time to develop, and is likely as linear as any curve of physical maturity. I’d like to see Lamarcus really hit the weights this summer and come back with some added strength. He could’ve used a little more “ooomf” against Scola in the playoffs. Scola? C’mon.

I AM A PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SUPPORTER.

by bow4meow on May 6, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

scola is a gold medal olympian

and can fill in at C for yao when he’s injured, give the ugly guy some credit. LMA beefed up last summer, you still want him lithe enough to move laterally, don’t you? I just have this fear that too much lifting in the off-season can be bad, both Frye and Webster bulked up and had foot injuries at the begining of the season, squats perhaps? Maybe not but i don’t think LMA needs to get very much bigger.

Alston vs. Marbury could be the best or the worst thing ever.

by appel82 on May 6, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't mind him playing KD one on one in texas this summer per usual

maybe that improved ballhandling that mike and mike talked about in august will appear next season?

Alston vs. Marbury could be the best or the worst thing ever.

by appel82 on May 6, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

and look what happened to Greg in the off season

all that bulking didnt help him..

I'd still honk once!

by bklynblazr on May 6, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

You always hated on LMA

What’s new? You’d trade him for Milsap.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on May 6, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't bite on those deals...

If we did leverage LMA to get back a Deron WIlliams, Devin Harris or Rajon Rondo… we would immediately have just as big of issue at the Power Forward as we have right now at the point guard. So, no I wouldn’t bit.

by Portland Dynasty on May 6, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess

we can all be thankful that you can’t!

by blzrfan1938 on May 6, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing y _ _ . . .

     aren’t the GM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smooth is a workout maniac and will continue to refine his game.
In addition, this team has great young kids with good attitudes, so don’t
disrupt. Stop with the get CP3, Devin Harris, etc. We are not getting any of
those guys. Get out of the video game chair and into the sunlight !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the second half of this season he made me regret suggesting

Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire would be worth trading him for. He’s one of the 4 guys on this team that you don’t even consider moving unless another team gets stupid (as jk suggests above). Love his offensive game, his improvement both on defense and on the boards later in the season, and there is plenty that suggests he’s not done heading in that direction. You’d love to see him add that corner three to his repertoire or possibly block a couple more shots, but he’s pretty much what you look for out of power forward playing next to Oden in the near future.

by as11osu on May 6, 2009 1:18 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

LMA IS UNTOUCHABLE

$5,844,826…show me anyone in the league that touches LMA for that kind of money. ’Cause you want. Hell we are paying some unmentionable jackass $9 million to sit on a bench with a grin in Memphis.

LMA, ODEN, ROY…they are the core, they are the future, they are this team.

I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.

by Eat Politicians on May 6, 2009 1:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of which ...

… any body notice how he got zero playing time after Memphis signed him to the second 10-day? Almost like they determined we had to keep him, otherwise the league might take Portlnd’s claim seriously. But we don’t have to lay him anymore.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on May 6, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Noted

“It’s a conspiracy, man!!!”

by DonkeyShins on May 6, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Roy.

But as it’s been mentioned, he’s on his rookie contract still.

by ericande on May 6, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

"If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense" -- DJ Quick

In this economic climate, it is better to be fiscally responsible with all the contracts we can control. LMA is a huge value right now even though we know a close to Max deal is just around the corner.

by Portland Dynasty on May 6, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

There are four Blazers that are untouchable, and they are

Roy/Oden/LMA and Kevin Pritchard. The Blazers brass have hung their collective hats on these four cats, and this core will play out until at least the ends of their next contracts.
LMA is a key part of this core. He will make everyone realize what ‘Sheed would have been like if he had enjoyed his life in Portland and in the post. (And if he had the heart of a warrior and not a victim…)
You really get the sense that LaMarcus takes losing personally, and if you beat him, he won’t forget. That is the type of guy you want banging for you every night.
I honestly think that there is not a single realistic trade scenario that would make sense if LMA is included in it.

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by philly420pdxhilo on May 6, 2009 1:40 AM PDT reply actions  

lol

yes…KP as well..

I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.

by Eat Politicians on May 6, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

They’re not untouchable, though, because they haven’t realized that potential yet.

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by inroywetrust on May 6, 2009 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

roy

is the only untouchable period.he’s"the franchise’rudy pryzbila and batum is so far his ballers.he needs more ballers to get to his dream of an nba title.aldridge is alright,but you guys really go overboard with him sometimes.and oden well let’s just say get in the damn gym boy and learn some low post moves.

by fatty on May 6, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oden
oden well let’s just say get in the damn gym boy and learn some low post moves

Agreed. I want to see some serious improvement from G.O. next year.

by DonkeyShins on May 6, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Untouchables...

1. Brandon Roy
2. LaMarcus Aldridge
3. Greg Oden
4. Kevin Pritchard
5. Joel Pryzbilla
6. Rudy Fernandez

What LaMarcus does for Portland now and in the future, I do rank him as the #2 Player in the “Hopes of a Championship” campaign for this era of Blazer hoops. Also, not too many people are in favor of “blowing up” this roster… on that note, I add both Rudy and Pryz to this very short list. Keeping this group is what I consider not “blowing up” the roster.

by Portland Dynasty on May 6, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Key to the Game

I’d love to see a stat showing Blazer win percentage when LMA score 22+. Around my house we have a saying, “As LaMarcus goes, so go the Blazers.”

Decoding this rule of thumb, it’s not putting all the credit or blame on LMA. What it does mean is LMA certainly needs more consistency for and from the team, and then everything else will fall into place — because that’s his role.

by jiminut on May 6, 2009 1:43 AM PDT reply actions  

18-11 62%

Which down a bit from their season percentage of 64%

by levelhed on May 6, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh is better than LaMarcus because he can dribble better

Like you said he can turn and face his defender (tall guy) and beat him with the dribble. I don’t buy it when people say Bosh has better back to the basket moves. Dribbling would also improve our hi-low game when LMA has the ball at the top of the key and Greg is posting up. LMA is tall enough to toss it into Greg, it would be an added threat if he could dribble into the key and finish with contact. His jumper is his bread and butter no need to tweak that. Work on ball handling skills please LaMarcus.

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by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, it's Chris Bosh's deceptively quick first step on dribble-drive plays at the elbow that makes ...

him a more efficient scorer — as well as more effective at drawing fouls — than LaMarcus Aldridge. As mid-range jump shooters, Bosh and Aldridge both have fairly similar numbers — although Bosh does have Aldridge beat by an eFG% of 2% there — thus, it’s the versatile face-up game and higher defensive rebounding numbers wherein the former is superior to the latter. Unfortunately, though, I question whether or not Aldridge is capable of making that sizable leap from above average to great in his career, which is why I’m all for dealing him in a trade that nets Bosh.

by AK1984 on May 6, 2009 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, I'd probably take Bosh over Aldridge, but

I don’t think it would make the team that much better, a couple more wins, maybe. It’s more of a lateral move rather than a true step forward. If we’re going to make a move, let’s address a weak area instead of a strong one.

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by Magnum on May 6, 2009 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

its no step forward

the difference in pay, the step backwards defensively, the fact we’d be getting older and take away the experience growing with the team.

Trading Aldridge for Bosh is less than a lateral move when you factor everything into it.

by as11osu on May 6, 2009 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bosh is only 16 months older than Aldridge and an All-Star and Olympic Gold medalist

I think the difference in defense is marginal, and I don’t really buy the “experience with the team” thing as being terribly relevant, since Bosh is by all accounts not a locker room cancer by any stretch of the imagination, and I surmise he would fit in just fine.

At the deadline I was all for going after Bosh. Bosh is much more accomplished than Aldridge at a comparable age. Since the deadline Aldridge has stepped up his game, making such a move more towards lateral, especially factoring in the salary difference, and the FA of Bosh in ‘10.
…I’d still rather have Bosh in a perfect world, but with Aldridge’s recently stepped up game, I’m growing more comfortable with keeping him.

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by G_dubs on May 6, 2009 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

if Aldridge played for Toronto..

he would be an All-Star and an Olympic Gold medalist. pffttt.

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by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you Capt. Obvious...

Now have a cookie and here’s your gold star

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by The X-man on May 6, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Playing for Toronto is GOOD?

Bosh had next to no help this year. The last couple years, he was far and away the best player on a playoff team. Would Lamarcus achieve a similar result if you flip-flop those guys?

No chance.

You can argue that LMA has the potential to be up there with Bosh, but he’s not there yet.

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by KP Corleone on May 6, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can learn dribbling

You can’t learn how fast LMA gets down the court – he’s faster at a sprint that Bosh. That most likely would translate into a very quick first step if he got more confident on his ball handling skills.

by DonkeyShins on May 6, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Norsktroll's points seem thoughtful and persuasive

without any tinge of the sort of “grass in always greener” crush-object emotion which often infects these considerations. Good job!

ignacio

by ignacio on May 6, 2009 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I accused Norsktroll once of being KP

I still wonder….

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by bow4meow on May 6, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

when in berlin

do as the germans? Or was that Scandinavian?

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by appel82 on May 6, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to hear that!

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by 22baylor on May 6, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes -- thanks Norsktroll for the insights into LaMarcus's game

I’m going to be disappointed if every one of these end-of-the-year reviews turns into a trade post. Ignacio’s comment about “grass is greener” is right on target.

by Corvid on May 6, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree with all of these

I’d also like Aldridge to add a few moves in the post and then use them.

I think he would benefit greatly from a baseline spin move.
He should take a page from Scola’s book and use that nifty hook off the glass, without the traveling of course.
Oh, and I hope he works on his left hand so he can work from either block.

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by Magnum on May 6, 2009 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Dave ever has to move on, you get my vote as his replacement.

Few here provide informed observations better than you do.

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by timg56 on May 6, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

since he rejected both tom and I as his CNO, the man is dead to me.

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by timg56 on May 6, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

jscot is a fink!

For real though. I like jscot because we agree on a lot of Blazers related items, but he has no room for dissenting opinions. That’s not a good trait in a leader.

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by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seemed to work for Uncle Joe.

But that could have been due to his being an Ah shucks good old boy from Georgia.

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by timg56 on May 6, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice analysis

ive been making that third point all year. he gives the defense those 2 seconds to set. if he could make faster decisions with the ball i think it’d help. i also rarely see him turn baseline on his postups. and the baseline is so often open!

I'd still honk once!

by bklynblazr on May 6, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I'd like to see more from LaMarcus

Offensively
- Run the court more. His speed is amazing, and him getting dished to in transition not only gives the team energy, but gets them easy points. He can easily outrun his defender down the court.
- I’d like to see him involved more in the offense without being in an isolated situation. While him 1-on-1 does work good, he doesn’t have the opportunity to get the rest of the team involved.

Defensively
- This is really more of a team thing than a LaMarcus thing, but I cringe whenever he gets matched up with a point guard. Really, it’s just a bad idea.

by pcrackenhead on May 6, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The scary thing

He’s almost quick enough to guard PGs straight up (except for some notable exceptions). The bigger problem is that our guards don’t fight through picks well enough (or get hurt in the process).

by DonkeyShins on May 6, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Finally a post talking about Lma's game

Great summary on Lma’ areas for improvement. I wanted to meka the same points as your 1st 3rd and 4th points. Dribble drive is the firstmost skill to open up Lma’s when he’s outside with the ball..and it should get him to the line often. Once Lma gets to the line on dribble drives, I’d be wiling to bet that Lma gets more fouls call in the post. Regarding point 2, when Lma pauses he missifres, enough said (not really, the dribble drive would keep the D guessing on more wheter Lma will shoot or pass). On point 3, I really want to see run plays with cutters to the hoop where Lma dumps it off from the post. I think Lma could have a little bit of the Sabonis flari at passing. You know where he has his back to the basket in the post then does a one-arm behind the back baseline bounnce pass to a cutter for the lay-up /jam. He could also add some lobs to the front of the rim.

If you’ll note the constant in all these remarks is that Lma’s shooint is fine but he needs to add offensive skill that aren’t shooting, ie. passing to cutters and driving the ball. Those two things would get LMa more points and assists.

Defensively LMa is alright. Although Houstan (Scola exposed him) in that Lm ahelps too much. He nneds to trust his big man more or let a guard help on Yao to keep his cover on his man. That is a very ticky-tack pont though. As he matures his D should get better and should eventuall be in the ’Sheed level for one on one defense.

by NWfan on May 6, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Come on

You can’t use the Houston series as an indictment on LMA’s help defense. Not every team has Yao Ming to use as a decoy to open up Scola.

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by Arby on May 6, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Exactly

While Aldrige MIGHT have been able to rotate a little quicker in some instances, overall, I can’t fault his defense. He was performing the gameplan. The Blazers went with Scola over Yao.

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by MrGrinch on May 6, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

You have the best sig ever

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by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very well said

Couldn’t agree more with all the points about LMA’s game.

I doubt that a Bosh trade will happen, but in the longrun, the reasons you mentioned above might not apply.

*LMA is probably not less expensive than Bosh longterm. He’ll require a near max deal.
*Bosh would have to agree to an extension (like KG did) before any deal occurred.

I wouldn’t turn down a deal for Bosh, straight up, because he’s basically who we hope Lamarcus will become. Quicker first step, better at drawing fouls, better rebounder. He may be slighly undervalued right now because he’ll likely leave Toronto and had next to no help this year. He’s an elite guy, no question, and would make Portland a title contender.

Probably not going to happen, though, just because I think KP likes his own guys too much. If you’re not dealing Nic for Gerald Wallace, you’re probably not dealing Lamarcus for Bosh.

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by KP Corleone on May 6, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

LMA's biggest weakness right now is that he tends to overthink things

You mentioned that he tends to catch the ball and hold it for a while instead of doing something right away, and that is certainly a problem for him offensively. However, I would like to point out that LMA has the same problem on defense as well. Aldridge is a very versatile defender, and if he is allowed to focus on just 1 task on defense he will do it very well (almost regardless of what that task is). The problem is that if you give him a bunch of different defensive responsibilities at the same time, Aldridge will often have trouble deciding what he should be doing and end up not really doing anything on defense. Aldridge has to make decisions quicker and realize that often being decisive and making the wrong decision is better than hesitating and not making a decision at all.

Aside from improving his decision making, I think the biggest improvement that Aldridge can make this summer is to become a 3-point shooter. I know some people don’t like the idea of Aldridge shooting 3’s because they want him to be closer to the basket, but Aldridge already shoots a huge percentage of his shots within 1 step of the 3-point line. If you turn most of those long 2’s into 3’s, Aldridge’s scoring efficiency should significantly increase and the Roy/Aldridge pick-and-pop play that the Blazers run so frequently will become a lot more effective.

by trk on May 6, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

What LaMarcus is and what he is not

LMA is a finesse player who flies in the open court, hits the jumper consistently, and has a good set of offensive moves. To maximize his effectiveness, LaMarcus needs to station himself closer to the basket for the catch on his jumper. When he shoots from 20 feet, I am like “Oh no!” because he is SO much better from 16 or even 18 feet. Those few feet really mean alot to his shooting percentage and the team’s success. He should move closer to the hoop when his defender leaves him open on the weakside or on screens, so his outside shooting percentage increases.

LMA is not a banger. While he can and should improve his rebounding and low-post game, he will not be a traditional banger. This team desperately needs to acquire a wide-body to fill that role off the bench. Someone to lay some muscle on opposing bigs and wear them down — even draw some fouls on the low block maybe — when LMA is not in the game.

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by LaoTzu on May 6, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

All Star next year

Book It!!!!!!!

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by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 1:52 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

You have to consider the other PFs in the west

Amare
Dirk
Duncan

Those three are almost an automatic. The west wont take 4 power forwards to the ASG. LMA’s only hope is injury and/or a dramatic deterioration of Duncan’s health (which we’re already starting to see, so I guess its possible).

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by Arby on May 6, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

"The west wont take 4 power forwards to the ASG."

Why don’t you check the roster of the 2009 all-star game before you commit to that statement.

Hint: Tim Duncan, Amare Stoudemire, Dirk Nowitski, and David West are all Power Forwards.

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by lrh86 on May 6, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Given the competition at PF in the West

and the fact that the Suns did not make the playoffs this year, I don’t think Amar’e will make the next All-Star team unless he comes back completely healthy and destroys the league.

by MiledAnimal on May 6, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, he was voted in this year (and in year's past)

never underestimate the voting power of the ill-informed masses.

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by douglast on May 6, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was implying next year.

Primarily based on how I think the league knows picking David West was a bad choice, as well as the continued development of Deron Williams. Barring injury, I guarantee D-Will makes the ASG next year, and assuming a huge leap from D-West next year, he will be more deserving of it than D-West.

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by Arby on May 6, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

One thing you have to factor in, is his contract

Roy is a Max Deal player.

LMA will obviously want that level of money, but hasn’t quite earned it. There’s always someone in this league willing to overpay for a talented player with plenty of potential.

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by northwestj on May 6, 2009 5:15 AM PDT reply actions  

we'll see, but everyone's suggesting the economic climate won't favor FAs in 2010

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by hobobob on May 6, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

give the man his $

to go along with his M.

La$Marcus. – elgin

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by 22baylor on May 6, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

can you say

the thunder.who have their eyes on aldridge,50.mil in capspace and 5 #1’s in the next 2 drafts.and the chosen 1 k.durant is just beginning his reign of terror around the nba.like you said there is always somebody,blazers fans keep your eyes open on them seriously.

by fatty on May 6, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really think Portland can get away without giving him a max deal.

They would just need to explain to him that giving him less isn’t a slight on him compared to Roy. It’s just a way to ensure the team has all the resources they need to win a title. Besides, if Aldridge does someday make that leap to superstar, they can always re-work his contract.

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by LeafHawk on May 6, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aldridge is solid

Yes there are areas that he can improve on and I think that he will as evidenced by the last couple of months of the season and the last couple playoff games. He is one obvious mismatch we have over 90% of the other teams. This shows in the PER difference as stated by Dave. We are fortunate to have him and should be thanking our lucky stars. A young stud who has exceeded initial expectations, is improving and wants to improve and is already one of the top 5 power forwards in the game. Outstanding!

One thing that I think we will have to be patient with Aldridge in the coming years is how he integrates with Oden. We saw a little bit of that at the start of the year when Oden was starting. If Oden progresses how we all hope he does, he is going to be taking up a huge chunk of the low post action that we are all screaming for Aldridge to take and own. We can’t have both, although we can have it in pieces. We may see more high low action and more Aldridge jump shots. If so we should be happy about this as it means Greg is developing into a low post presence. It may not be a pretty transition at times, but I think in the long run it will mean great things. So I would advise some caution on how we perceive Aldridge going forward. His game is going to have to change in some respects and it may be that he is farther away from the basket than we may like.

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by blazermaniac32 on May 6, 2009 5:50 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

"Running Aldridge" v "Rebounding Aldridge"

I shout at my TV (or tiny computer screen) for LMA to rebound better.

Then I shoult at my TV (or tiny computer screen) to run the floor and get dunks.

And now I think to myself, “Self, if LMA could hear you shout contradictory things like that at him, he’s slap you in the face!” Maybe that’s why I don’t coach.

Is it the case, perhaps, that LMA is someone we want to play tall but as a SF? We ask him to shoot and run, then we get mad when he doesn’t rebound. Maybe we need a fierce rebounding SF to allow LMA to face-up and run. But I sense a conflict in the player and the position.

Consider Buck Williams: he did rebound and run (and boy did he run) and maybe that’s where LMA can end up. But then again… Buck didn’t score but off the fast break.

Consider Brian Grant: huge rebounder… no running.

Consider Rasheed: offense (and even decent D) and running… but I remember begging the guy to rebound.

Zach Rando… well, let’s not mention him.

Point being, perhaps because we see potential in LMA in EVERYthing he could possibly do we sort of expect him to grow into some kind of everything player. Not exactly fair.

At some point, LMA is going to have to choose a path and then we are too. If LMA is going to be “Running LMA” than we need “Rebounding Batum,” which may not be his best strength.

But we will need some other rebounder in there. Unless we play twin towers plus LMA at the three (which might be a pretty dang cool lineup).

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on May 6, 2009 6:10 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

LMA had an ok year, but he'll be nearly unstoppable if he ever mixes in an inside game

Also considering he’s supposedly our second big gun, it would be nice to see a little more leadership / fire / emotion from him.

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by leeroyjenkins on May 6, 2009 6:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes it would....

but since he’s still only 23, I think we can still count on additional maturity and growth in his game.

And it looks like USA Basketball agrees.

by antediluvian on May 6, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Though it was only one game,

the game that ended the year, where everything turned sour when he went to the bench with an early 2nd foul, illustrates lots of Dave’s points as per LMA’s powerful effect positive on the team.

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by LaughingJon on May 6, 2009 7:00 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

As a comparison of how he has developed it's also interesting to look back to his pre-draft profiles

E.g. this one by Aran Smith, who I consider a very good scout and who described Roy and Aldridge very accurately at that time. Notice almost the same question marks/weaknesses he had in high school and college that his critics still like to point out.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lamarcus-aldridge

His rebounding and shot blocking doesn’t seem quite as good as expected after college but he is getting closer (3.6 offensive and 5.5 defensive plus 2 blocks in his sophomore year vs. 2.9 and 4.6 plus 1 now). And for example his free throw shooting has gotten continually better (65% in college, 72, 76, 78 in the NBA). He has continued to add muscle mass. I would say leaping ability is no longer a real question mark, thinking back to some of his impressive dunks. His passing has improved (under 1 in college, now gone up to 2 assists per game) even though as noted above I could still see him make small further steps there to find open players on the wing or cutting. His turnovers and committed fouls are down both from last year and from college despite playing a lot more minutes. All in all some nice progress from young LaMarcus.

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 7:01 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Look how skinny he was

He definitely has filled out a lot.

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by blazermaniac32 on May 6, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The funniest thing is when you look at old high school rankings

http://www.draftexpress.com/RSCI/2004/

He is listed by RSCI (Recruiting Services Consensus Index) behind Glen Davis, Randolph Morris and – breathe yourself – Robert Swift. Well, a few brand names including Dwight Howard are ahead of him, but that illustrates how difficult scouting high schoolers is. His big draft rival Tyrus Thomas was listed at just 133 at that time and many scouting services didn’t even have him on their list. Roy Hibbert is also very far back who turned out just right.

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Norsk..

if you don’t mind me asking, What do you do for a living??

Other then, Give unbelievable stats/links.

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by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Norsktroll is like those joggers who simply followed Forrest Gump around the country for years… that is what he does for Blazersedge.com.

by Portland Dynasty on May 6, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mopey Texan

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on guys.

You are all leaving out the fact that LaMarcus has the sexiest voice out of anyone on the team.

"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez

by twiggs on May 6, 2009 7:21 AM PDT reply actions  

BRANDON ROY'S VOICE IS NOT SEXY?

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

when he gets fouled and he hollers, he sounds like a duck

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by 22baylor on May 6, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I have been trying to put my finger on what it is he sounds like when he yells all season long. It makes me laugh every single time.

by Roybot on May 6, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I said the "most" sexy.

Roy and Rudy have sexy voices but LaMarcus’ makes me melt. Sigh.

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by twiggs on May 6, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mmmm...

Have to agree on all 3!

Rudy!!!!!

by blazergrl on May 6, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you referring to...

his college/post-game-interview-I’m-amped-up voice or his I’m-making-a-commercial-and-got-voice-lessons voice?

by ericande on May 6, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic

He has a little kid voice.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sexiest voice?

I can’t believe I’ve never thought about this before. Twiggs, I do believe you’re 100% correct on this one. Rudy’s accent is charming though, and I smile every time I hear him say Lemar Cooz when referring to LMA.

by Corvid on May 6, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

LaMarcus’ voice is all nice and deep, but silky smooth. Argh, it drives me crazy when he talks. LOL.

"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez

by twiggs on May 6, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

The sexy voice comments by twiggs – the bottom photo is Mr. Barry White.

by DonkeyShins on May 6, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

LA looks more like this fooferFTW

" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy

by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Barry White ate LMA?

Maybe his is in there, if Barry was all slim.

by LaoTzu on May 6, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Given that Barry is dead

That’s seriously wrong…

“Braaaaaaaiiiinnnssss….sexy braaaaaaiinnnnnsssss.”

by DonkeyShins on May 7, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

the best thing is

forced smile during the commercial’s it looks so painful and awkward all at the same time

"Howard, he know me" Rudy

by phillyduck23 on May 6, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone mentioned it above...

When LaMarcus develops the ability to consistently take his man off the dribble up top or on the wing, he will be near impossible to stop.

Also, in order to take advantage of LaMarcus’ speed we need to push the ball or get some players who are more willing to push the ball…b/c he can beat most players down the court, including many point guards, and right now he is the best finisher we have on the break.

One thing I’d like to see him do more of that I havn’t seen mentioned yet, is to challenge players driving to the hoop. I know that might mean more fouls, but it seems like he could spare an extra foul or two a game going after layins and dunks. Too many times I see him take a half-hearted side swipe as if he is trying to distract the player driving to the hoop, rather than stepping in front of him and challenging the man at the hoop.

by JasonT on May 6, 2009 7:21 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

This whole Bosh over Aldridge

stuff is just crazy talk..

Bosh is a year older then Aldridge, If aldridge played for the Eastern Confrence.. he would be an All-Star this past year.

Bosh is good don’t get me wrong, but i would much rather have Aldridge anyday.

He improves as the season goes, and puts up All-star typer stats in the 2nd half of the season.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 7:40 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

If Aldridge played for the Raptors he would have been an All-Star because he’d have had to carry the scoring and rebounding load.

For 10M less.

by levelhed on May 6, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Trades

You guys talk about swapping LMA with Bosh like it’s fantasy basketball and all the stats will follow. This is not a fantasy game.

by selyab on May 6, 2009 7:55 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

agree

im with ya. (i wouldnt do that trade in the fantasy anyways. aldrigde is a Top 15 pick LOL. Roy top 7 pick for sure also.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite "Fantasy Basketball"

If you are Toronto, you really need to look at the fact that Chris Bosh is likely to not sign another deal with the Raptors. WIth this in mind, why wouldn’t you trade straight up for a Power Forward prospect who is already putting up great stats, still has plenty of upside, has super-star potential and would directly fill the hole that a leaving Chris Bosh would create?

It is a pretty reasonable move. Of course, Toronto would want a bit more than simply straight up, but it is not something that Toronto could realistically have Rudy, Sergio and Travis thrown in on the deal too…. I mean, Bosh is likely just to walk away from Toronto. For them to get anything would be good…. let alone a future all-star PF!!!!

by Portland Dynasty on May 6, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Things I loved about LaMarcus this season, that I pined for in the 07-08:

*More post moves towards the basket, with pretty good results.
*Finishing on the fastbreak (Blake has proved that he can push the ball too, not the best at it but I was pleased by both of their abilities on the break along with the leaker Batum).
*Mental toughness—-He has gained quite a bit, and that’s great. I’d still like to see more, but not taking it from Garnett, keeping his cool 99% of the season, Roy said something like “LA is all confidence, if he is confident, he can’t miss…” or something to that effect, the only problem is the inverse of that is true.
*FT shooting, yes he could draw more fouls, but he’s shooting pretty consistently for big, and he has developed that cheap paul peirce move which will get him to the line more.

Alston vs. Marbury could be the best or the worst thing ever.

by appel82 on May 6, 2009 7:58 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

What LA needs to improve upon:
Less jumpers, more dunking.

by jenstcy on May 6, 2009 8:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I read somewhere

that he’s one of the leading dunkers among PFs in the league, above the likes of Chris Bosh.

by Eventine on May 6, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It never hurts to dunk more

just sayin…

1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21... I know...

by FibonacciSequence on May 6, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs to work on being more agressive.....

He’s a big guy. He needs to go to the basket more and draw more fouls. He takes about 20-25 shots and 95% of them are jumpers. But still I really like LA. I wouldn’t trade him for Chris Bosh. Keep him!!!!

by jenstcy on May 6, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

95%?

Really? I doubt it.

"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach

by jamon51 on May 11, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

My main issue with LMA is

his mentality. I think he has 90% of the physical tools and ability to make that leap to all-star level. Similar to his old scouting reports, I feel he doesn’t seem to have the heart or "it" factor. There seems to be an inconsistent level of confidence. I almost always know when he is going to miss as it usually occurs after a split second of hesitation. When LMA gets the ball, is confident, and just makes a move or shoots, I know that ball is going in the hoop.

 LMA on paper, should be a nightmare matchup. Against most PFs, he should be able to post you up, take you off the dribble, or draw you out with his jumper. It’s frustrating to see PF’s that I believe are less talented and gifted out play LMA at times. No knock on Scola, but I think LMA should have owned that matchup on a more constant basis. There were times when I was thinking to the TV after a Scola play, “wow, LMA could’ve done that”. The difference, Scola seemed play with more confidence.

I hope that the playoff experience translates into a more driven and hopefully more confident LMA ala Roy’s new found championship belief and drive. I think that if LMA’s development is at a fork right now and most of the physical and skill improvements will follow whichever way the mental development goes.

To me LMA is one of the top PFs in the league ability, skill set, and potential wise. Once you get to a certain level in skills and ability, the only thing that separates is mentality.

"It's better to have a good player with the basketball in late game situations than to have plays." - R. Pitino

"I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em."- Jimmy V

Go Blazers!!

by DaNoose on May 6, 2009 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

how can you say if someone has heart or not? "We're Taklin' 'bout my Heart!"

that is completely subjective. It’s like when quick said Oden didn’t like basketball because he didn’t play on his chipped knee bone or whatever it was. I’ll say it again, Scola is an OLYMPIAN!

Alston vs. Marbury could be the best or the worst thing ever.

by appel82 on May 6, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd call it "killer instinct"

watch Amare Stoudamire pre-surgery in that playoff series vs. the Spurs. THAT’s killer instinct. I hope LMA gets some of that soon.

by kickbrass on May 6, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was Rocky Balboa a "killer", what about Notre Dame's Rudy?

Heart does not equal Killer Instinct… those are different things.

Heart is WILL. Will to push through adversity, to stick with something no matter how difficult it is, to maintain focus when the chips are down and to look odds in the face and achieve anyway.

Killer Instinct is to think you can win at everything and to work to push that WILL on all of those around you.

I don’t believe that winners need to have a killer instinct, they do need to have heart however. Heart will make a LMA look in the mirror and say “Let’s see the BEST LaMarcus Aldridge performance that the best LMA could do in this scenario”. Whereas LMA with a killer instinct would say “give me the ball in all the crunch times, I want to make sure I am the one scoring on those fools when this game is down to the wire, I am unstoppable” Of course, lots of time those small-minded “Killer-intinct” driven people get “shown-up” for being nothing more than another basketball player who can’t be on top of the world at all times, who do make mistakes down the stretch, and whose performances don’t meet or exceed the level of their ego’s.

But, uhhh, Michael Jordan had and understood both.

by Portland Dynasty on May 6, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Scola is also 29 and very near his peak in productivity

Lma is much younger and has many more years to improve, whereas Scoal does not, WYSIWYG. As LMa plays more, he gains confidence. I loved that dream shake post move. Lma is showing that he is truly goign to be speacil and very consistent.

by NWfan on May 6, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's right, it's my subjective opinion.

And people make those types of opinions very often.

Anyway, I agree with kickbrass here—- more of confidence and “killer instinct” or the “it” I refer to.

"It's better to have a good player with the basketball in late game situations than to have plays." - R. Pitino

"I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em."- Jimmy V

Go Blazers!!

by DaNoose on May 6, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heart is an intangible

and it’s hard to tell if LMA has IT yet. Don’t mention GO and heart. His need to go back to school instead of working on his footwork and post moves this summer is one more stick on the camel’s back closer to proving he’s got a lot of growing up left to do.

Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done

by SuperDave on May 6, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Compare LMA with KG and you will see "heart" better

No knock on LMA here. He is terrific but he does not own games and opponents like KG does every game.

"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard

by lee3022 on May 7, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Confidence comes with experience.....

LMA is 23. Two more seasons of playing at a high level and building confidence in his moves and decision making skills and LMA will have fewer moments of hesitation. Premier athletes need “relaxed concentration” rather than “thinking.” LMA himself said he was thinking too much trying to figure out when and where the double teams were coming from. More reps means less thinking.

Scola greatly benefited from the help that LMA was giving on Yao. Straight-up I think there is no question who has the more versatile skill set. Scola is good, LMA will be better.

by upper left corner on May 6, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

All I can say is LaMarcus Aldridge is one hell of a basketball palyer ...

… and I am so happy to have him on the Blazers.

Buck Williams is still my favorite Blazer all time (although Roy and LaMarcus both are going to challenge that) and in my opinion the best PF I ever saw in a Blazer uniform. But unlike a lot of Blazer fans, I remember the early Buck Williams, before he came to Portland. That Williams was a nearly 20 point per game scorer.

Let us not forget that LaMarcus is still a young man. He still has room to develop and mature both physically and psychologically. The physical, inside game we all want to see more of is likely to come as he gets older. LaMarcus has a lot of basketball ahead of him. Let’s not get impatient and expect to see everything at once. Doing so pervents us from appreciating how good he is playing at the moment.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on May 6, 2009 8:14 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

The next big step for Aldridge and the Blazers is the ability to go to his left off the dribble. Going into this year Aldridge wouldn’t drive the ball anywhere and throughout the year he showed he could get into the lane for a little running hook frequently. Once he learns to go left he will be able to have a full complement of moves from both sides of the lane. If he can do that then I expect the Blazers will start to run a lot more of the offense through him in the high post.

by malarky on May 6, 2009 8:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Can't wait to see the high post/ low post options with LMA and Oden.

I agree. LMA with the ball in the high-post with options to pass to the corners, put the ball on the floor, hit the J, or pass to Oden in the low post is a beautiful vision. If Oden gets his full hop back, and LMA can master the oops pass, imagine the Oden dunks we will see.

by upper left corner on May 6, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

I wouldent trade a quality big for a pg in a million years. I dont care who they are. LA is going to be an allstar for years. Look how much improvement he has had since he was drafted. The odds are alot better that one of the point guards listed in this thread will be shopped before the Blazers go shopping LA.

I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.

""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."

His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.

by Dragonage on May 6, 2009 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

aldridge

just start manning*up more period.the tougher physically*mentally you become,the more b.roy gets closer to the promised land.he needs all the real ballers he can get.so aldridge just start manning*up more and you’ll be fine.

by fatty on May 6, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Challenge

What exactly is manning up? Is it an action? I would really like to man up. I am just not certain what exactly I can do that would be classified as manning up. Please clear this up for me.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on May 6, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Church Game, every thursday

at the People’s Church in SALEM, OR 7 o’clock.

Ill have My B-Roy’s on.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're copying my moves, I see.

Well, they say it is a form of flattery.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on May 6, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

You gonna be there Tim??

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excuses, excuses.

" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy

by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, you got me.

Thursday nights are when I masturbate to fantasies of cuddling with you on a deserted beach.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on May 6, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

text me

" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy

by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manning up - as defined by me

Is when you get disrespected, called out, or otherwise put on the spot and are placed in a situation where you NEED to perform and you come through. Tangible examples of manning up would include John Elway diving over 2 packer defenders in the super bowl even though he was a fragile (it’s Italian) old man, Kevin Duckworth playing with a broken thumb in the playoffs, that one guy who blew out his hammy in a track event but hobbled across the finish line with the help of his Dad and coach, anyone with a physical disability who runs a marathon, Anquan Boldin breaking his face, and not missing a game, MJ playing in the finals with the flu, and (if I may call it in advance) this Cortney Lee kid coming back to play for the Magic in the playoffs after his freaking sinus got broken.

If anyone, and I’m not speaking to any single individual or group of individuals but rather the masses as a literal whole here, does yet still not understand what Manning Up is I postulate that they never will get it, and hence forth it is a waste of time to describe to these persons what it is.

Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done

by SuperDave on May 6, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing I want from LA is

for him to show a commitment to Portland that isn’t contractual in nature. Other guys love it here but he always acts like it’s just business. I don’t ever want a Boozer type on my team.

obsessionism.com

by munsonbh on May 6, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

in the back of my mind..

i hope dallas doesnt offer him a ridic contract… to go play for his HOME-TOWN.

i wish they would go after the other hometown PF in Bosh, instead.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aldridge MUST be perceived a bit better outside of Portland than here....

based on his invite to the USA Basketball camp in July in Vegas. A max of 25 players are being invited…..LMA being one (along with Roy and Oden).

So….the minds at USA Basketball believe LMA is good enough to potentially represent the country in the upcoming World Championships, as well as the next Olympics.

That matches my opinion that he’s good enough to represent Portland for the next 15 years,

by antediluvian on May 6, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I think you have to look at PFs in the league that will be in there prime in 4 years

Amare isn’t the USA basketball type. PFs that were on the 2008 team may not want to commit to another 4 years of offseason training as they get older (Boozer?). I think Bosh is probably the only true PF that will return (again, if he chooses to dedicate 4 years of his offseason).

I think LMA is a perfect choice. I’d liken it to picking Deron Williams for the 2008 team. D-Will hadn’t even been to an all-star game but his talent was recognized early.

"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP

by Arby on May 6, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aldridge's perimeter D

Has improved dramatically this year. I remember watching the Blazers switch on pick and rolls vs. the Suns (the 52 point game) and Aldridge was holding it down again Steve Nash! Now if only he could develop more of a handle he could play on the wing on offense sometimes.

by kickbrass on May 6, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

How many PFs would you rather have than LMA?

KG, Stoudamire, Bosh, Boozer, Dirk, Pau Gasol ?

That’s a pretty short list!

by kickbrass on May 6, 2009 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

none of them sound appealing..

there all in there prime.. or about to past it (maybe except bosh…)

and Gasol is a Laker.. no Lakers.

Dirk is well Dirk, i wouldn’t mind him..

once ODEN get his low game. Aldridge is going to go off.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

LaMarcus is not getting traded. In theory, only Bosh. LaMarcus is 23, remember

Maybe maybe in the future Brook Lopez and Kevin Love just based on that they are 20 and show very nice potential. I also like David Lee, but I don’t like him over LaMarcus. Amar’e, see above. He is a beast on offense, but he doesn’t help you defensively and I rather take a healthy younger LMA.

Player comparison: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=H6U67

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was just throwing some names out there

I wouldn’t necessarily trade for any of them either (except Dirk for sure) but that’s pretty much the list of PFs who you could make the case are as good as or better than LMA right now.

by kickbrass on May 6, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Every single guy on your list is older than LMA

KG 32, Stoudamire 26, Bosh 25, Boozer 28, Dirk is almost 31, Gasol is 28

LMA is only 23

Bosh is the only guy on your list that makes any sense at all, and the odds are miniscule that it would happen.

by upper left corner on May 6, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Keep LMA, but know who he is

LMA is an extremely gifted athlete, and for his size/age is an above average offensive threat from mid range. LMA is also seemingly easy to rattle, and has a really sensitive spot to being called soft. I remember reading an article earlier in the year where team scouts stated they are more concerned for the LMA match up than any other match up when playing Portland, or some reasonably close facsimile of that idea. The same article stated that the Portland coaching staff adjusts LMA’s game depending on the opponent. I think that’s a mistake. I believe LMA should have a few signature moves, and should impose his will upon the people defending him. He is a beast, and he has the physical tools to do what ever he wants on the court. I don’t see that happening, hence I believe LMA’s problems reside above the neck. He will mature and grow into a weapon unlike any Portland has ever seen at the 4. Unless it’s a trade for CP3 or a very short list of other superstars, LMA should be here to stay.

NEXT PLAYER

Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done

by SuperDave on May 6, 2009 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely!

Give him another year or two and he goes from good to pure monster!

Rudy!!!!!

by blazergrl on May 6, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

As far as being easy to rattle and really sensitive to being called soft...

I still think this is a function of being young. In a year or two, I believe we will look back and laugh at some of the things we were worried about.

But then again I am an optimist….a hopelss one as my wife would say.

by antediluvian on May 6, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Soft jump shooting "power" forwards never contribute as much as folks think.

He might as well change his name to Uncle Cliffy Antawn Charles Smith Abdur-Rahim.

Folks think he plays good defense b/c they only pay attention to the man with the ball. LMA puts up a good pretense of playing defense when he’s isolated on the wing with an offensive player, but he runs away from dribble drives basically completely ignoring his “protect the basket” duties — you know, the main role for power forwards in NBA defenses. He might be the worst power forward in the league on help defenses on penetration, and that includes usual suspects like Amare, Boozer, Antawn, and so forth.

He’s got a nice jumpshot, but unless he pairs it with more efficient scoring (either dribble drives to the bucket to get fouls and better percentage shots, low post scoring, or extend his range to the 3), his net positive for the offense isn’t enough to justify making him a second option on a contending team.

Basically, he’s a decent player who’s somewhat above average who’s regarded as something better than he is. If he’s still our second best player in three or four years, we’re going nowhere beyond the second round of the playoffs.

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree if his career continues down it's current path

He is playing more of the 3 than the 4 with his outside shot. The other options available at the 4 around the league LONG TERM aren’t any better. If we can sign a vet 4 who is willing to back up LMA, that would be ideal. Back up PF was one of our weakest positions this season.

I hear what you’re saying, but I just don’t see anyone with better upside than LMA right now.

Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done

by SuperDave on May 6, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with the "upside" argument for LMA

is that he’s literally improved nothing since last year. He played two more minutes a game, and his totals went up a tiny tic; but his per minute numbers are almost exactly the same. His rebs are down a smidge, his assts are up a bit, his fouls are down a fair amount.

His defense has also gotten worse. His fouls are down partly because he just doesn’t try to play interior help defense as much as he used to.

I’ve been trying to think all year of anyone whose career trajectory has included as large a role on the team, has demonstrated so little progress in three years, and still ended up making “the leap” at some point in their careers. I’m sure folks like that have existed, but no one is coming to mind.

The lack of improvement is in fact one of the main reasons why if I were KP, I’d be entertaining trade offers.

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

In general...

I agree that Aldridge has not improved by leaps and bounds. I do believe, however, that his numbers this year obscure some of his improvement. Defenses have become more focused on him. He was doubled more often this year, (not the increase in assists) assists, but he’s managed to keep his number constant. That’s evidence of progress, though minor. I also think the Aldridge we saw this March and April was better than what we saw in 2008.

He might not improve a lot next season, but even a little will help Portland.

by PoliSam on May 6, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

And as I stated above

My bet is that Aldridge numbers may not improve and may digress next year for the simple fact that Oden (hopefully) is better and takes some of his shots and rebounds away. That doesn’t mean he isn’t better or a key part of this team. We can’t have a team of All-star’s so why not play off of the strengths of the people we have. Obviously every player should try to get better, but just because he isn’t the best at his position doesn’t mean we should entertain trade offers.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on May 6, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

he closed the season well in each of his three seasons.

Not sure why exactly.

bm32, I’m not saying we should trade him because he’s not the best at his position. I would entertain trade values because his rep isn’t as good as his play. It’s a great sell high situation for us, and we have a pretty pressing need to consolidate talent; LMA is the most attractive asset for a major consolidation trade.

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

gah. I mean "i'd entertain trade offers

because his play isn’t as good as his rep". Sorry, to speak english is hard.

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get the attractive asset part

Just wondering how we can consolidate our assets. If you trade him, suddenly you have a big hole at power forward, so do you trade him for another power forward? Then you just have a different player to integrate into our program. If you trade him for our other weak spot (PG) then you solve that slot but still have a power forward slot to fill. Aldridge isn’t worth enough to get good value at both of those spots so they you are left with a big hole yet to fill. I just don’t see the net gain. Unless you think that you could get two solid veterans to plug both the PF and PG postition and you think Oden will progress enough to take some of the heat off of Roy.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on May 6, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pressing need to consolidate talent?

That one needs to be explained to this ex-torpedoman (strong back ; weak mind).

Ignoring for the moment that the whole concept of “consolidating talent” is one that belongs to the fantasy and arm chair GM set, just why exactly does one want to get rid of talent? I can see trading talent at a position we have a surplus in, to get talent at a position we are weak in. PF is not a position we are weak in and if the general opinion here is to be believed, neither is it one we have a surplus of talent in.

On why he closes his seasons out strong. Last year he was finally geting comfortable and learning the game,. This year he had to start out on a new learning curve, as Portland tried to integrate Oden into the offense. Next year, I expect a bit more of the same, as between games missed and his playing with the second unit, Greg’s time with LaMarcus was somewhat limited.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on May 6, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

consolidating talent is important, because winning in the playoffs is generally about the quality of the top of your roster, not depth

Portland would do well to parlay its excellent depth into another elite player to compliment Roy, unless the Blazers are 100% comfortable that Oden will become elite, which is too much of a crapshoot in my book.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Usually when you talk about consoldation

you don’t mention the 2nd best player on the team as a means for achieving that.

I think you lock in our 5 (Roy, LMA, Oden, Rudy, Batum) and you try to consolidate the rest into 2 or 3 more high quality, specific fit, long term guys.

by as11osu on May 6, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tell that to the Bulls.

With two starters missing from the lineup, Boston took the series.

There are a lot of different factors that go into winning a championship, luck being one of them. And there is not magic formula for getting there.

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by timg56 on May 6, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous. Bulls are the best example of what happens to a team

afraid of pulling the trigger on consolidation trades. They had deals on the table for Kobe, KG, and Pau that they refused to pull the trigger on because they didn’t want to give up Deng, Tyrus Thomas, and Ben Gordon.

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Says who?

Trade rumors have about as much solidity to them as toilet paper left out in the rain.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on May 6, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA has improved this year

He has added some muscle and gotten stronger. He has improved his passing and ball-handling. He is getting more assists with fewer turnovers. The range on his jump shot has increased (although that just means he has graduated from taking long 2’s to taking very long 2’s which isn’t very helpful. Fortunately, the next step will take him from shooting very long 2’s to shooting 3’s, which would be helpful.).

I don’t agree that Aldridge’s defense has gotten worse. His blocks, rebounds, and fouls are all down a bit because he is playing next to Gregzilla and not getting the minutes at center that he used to.

I don’t think Aldridge is the type of player who will suddenly make “the leap” and become a superstar. However, I do think he is a player who will continue to make small, incremental improvements to his game each year for the foreseeable future. Given that the team already has Roy and is filled with talent from top to bottom, I think that the team only really needs Aldridge to be good, not great.

by trk on May 6, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I predicted 20 & 10 for LaMarcus this year.

So now I’m predicting that for next year, and I’ll keep on predicting it until it is true. That’s just an example of what I’m willing to do.

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The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
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by lukeyhere on May 6, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

20 points is easily attainable.

10 rebounds, however, its optimistic at best. With Joel and Oden being two of the top 10 rebounders in the league, I think its unreasonable to assume a dramatic jump in Aldridge’s rebounding, regardless of progress.

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by Arby on May 6, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only make predictions in nice round numbers.

I predicted the Blazers would win 1000 games this year, and that didn’t turn out so well either.

The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers

by lukeyhere on May 6, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

your commitment should be an example to us all.

i’m willing to step out on a limb and make that prediction as well… LMA = 20 & 10 guy.

Yellow Mamba FTW!

by northwestj on May 6, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You highlight the difference between an informed observer ...

… and someone with not much more than an opinion.

Rec.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on May 6, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

now you are green

Hulk forth LMA style. – Elgin

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by 22baylor on May 8, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any signs Aldirdge will sign an extension this summer?

Ideally he’s at his maximum value given his age and the season he just had, and Pritchard might want to lock him up now before he has another huge season.

There really aren’t many teams with cap space to out-bid Portland, but I could see Aldridge getting 65-70 million this summer.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think he's worth a max contract yet

I think he will be, but not yet. I’m hoping beyond hope he doesn’t get his feelings hurt when Brandon gets a max contract and he gets a little less. I’d hope they sign him to a short deal, so that he will play for his max out contract. When he’s an allstar he gets his max deal, not before.

Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done

by SuperDave on May 6, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

both Roy and Aldridge

will get a Max, with Roy a couple more mill then Aldridge..

i could see roy taking less money, just cuzz i feel he is more of a Team overall player.

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by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually LaMarcus was the higher draft pick, but I can't see him get angry that Roy gets a bit more

Locking up LaMarcus should be priority #1 for Pritchard though on the first day of summer negotiations (July 1st?), since Roy is more loyal to the region anyway and now that Seattle has no more team there is no other franchise he would want to play for (Lakers maybe as a kid, but that’s a while ago).

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

very true. very true.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

i could see KP/Allen

just straight up asking roy, alright Roy… how much do you want ect ect lol.

and then to Aldridge.. alright this is what we have to offer for you, you will be or 2nd highest paid player ect ect.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Roy is getting more money

then LA is by definition not on a max contract.

by Royster on May 6, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

on LA

or brandon??

LA should get around 8-10 mil a year.

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by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you seen contracts?

Kwame and Darko got like $8 million per on their second contracts despite looking like complete busts for 90% of their rookie contracts. It’s highly unlikely he accepts anything less than $12 million per (about what Jefferson got, in a huge bargain).

by Royster on May 6, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

i said SHOULD...

players these days get over bought like crazy.

im expecting a 10-13 mil dollar deal for Aldridge….Which honestly.. isnt really over paying him.

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by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

65-70 is not a max deal (assuming it's over the maximum number of years)

It’s what 2nd tier players like Aldridge command, though. A comparable deal would be what Al Jefferson signed with the Wolves, or Iguodola with Philly.

Roy is obviously going to be the highest paid player, the problem is going to be how much can they spread between the 2 guys who are going to demand extensions within a year, and still have enough to spend on FAs, and extend Oden next year.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jefferson got a nice round sum on a reasonable deal (although now he has a bad injury), Iggy one more year.

Jefferson: $11,000,000 $12,000,000 $13,000,000 $14,000,000 $15,000,000
Iguodala: $11,300,000 $12,200,000 $12,345,250 $13,531,750 $14,718,250 $15,904,750

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was agreeing with you.

Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done

by SuperDave on May 6, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I meant to reply to the next comment

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roy

i would feel would take a pay cut for the better of the TEAM.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

you can't really say that often

with the current Stars/All-stars in the League.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

When was the last time a top 10 player didn't demand financial respect?

I don’t see why Roy is a saint compared to all the other guys who command similar money. Loyalty to the team is fine, but in the end he will want to remain a Blazer at the right price.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 6, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't really see him DEMANDING money.

they will offer him, what he deserves of course. it is the NBA.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's not going to be like

alright i want this much money.. or no deal. (example Ben gordon from last year)

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Duncan

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duncan...

did that last year, told the spurs i want this much money.. or i’m out??

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Duncan took less money than what the Spurs offered in order to help the team.

by poster on May 6, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

ahhh

class act there.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 7, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seeing what happens with the Aldridge/Roy extensions is one of this summer's big storylines

Pritchard’s been careful with Paul Allen’s money in the past when it comes to contracts, but we haven’t seen KP negotiate for franchise-level players yet. It’ll be a coup for him if he signs Roy for less than near-max, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen. Aldridge’s money? Depends on Roy’s money. One of the things that adds to the intrigue is that both Roy and Aldridge share the same agent, Arn Tellem.

by Corvid on May 6, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

if Roy doesn't get a max deal, I'll be shocked

if LMA does get a max deal, he took us to the cleaners.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just like I said above

They’ll both do what Wade and James did after their rookie contracts. It is Paul Allen’s money and it sets a goal for Oden, Rudy, Batum, and Bayless. Nothing crazy is going to happen.

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by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

KP

said on courtside that LA and Roy were prioritys this summer they want to lock them up.

I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.

""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."

His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.

by Dragonage on May 6, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love me some LMA!

I think he will have a very long career, and I look forward to to watching him grow as a player and a person.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on May 6, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

L-Train stays

He’s going to stay here, I don’t see us trading him for anyone, unless its chris paul. but thats not going to happen. He will be working on his game this summer to get better, because he’s going to work out with the USA team. Him, Greg, and Brandon all have been invited, and he said that he’ll be there. He’s going to be a beast next year.

by BlazerHooligan on May 6, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I know I'm off topic by saying this, but....

I REALLY hope Greg takes this opportunity to improve his game. I just hope he realizes Bio 101 lab and all night Rock Band aren’t as valuable to his professional development as playing with some of the best players in the world would be.

Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done

by SuperDave on May 6, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's gonna have a trainer or 2 pretty much living with em..

and nate personally is gonna go out and visit hang out with em.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

people

are taking it too seriously.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on May 6, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

invited to try out that is

Alston vs. Marbury could be the best or the worst thing ever.

by appel82 on May 6, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love me some LA.

I’m even wearing my Aldridge shirt today.

by Roybot on May 6, 2009 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Continued Improvement

   An easy general knock that some fans place on Aldridge is that he is “soft”. When I watch Aldridge I’d have to say I don’t see that. What I think get’s mistaken for “softness” is Aldridges skill, he makes what he is doing look easy, and probably more what I see is passiveness. I’d like to see Aldridge become less passive. There’s a fine line between letting the game come to you and enforcing your skill and will upon the game, and Aldridge hasn’t consistently found that line yet.

  I think when Aldridge becomes more confident, continues to improve, and learns when to take over games then the label of soft will evaporate pretty quickly because watching him play? He’s not soft. Just often seems that he can be taken out of what he wants to do too easily. A few failed attempts in the paint and he moves to the outside too quickly. A few missed jumpers? He stops looking for his shot. Just continue to improve Aldridge. It might be as simple for Aldridge as realizing for himself he can be a force in the league, if he just let’s himself be a force in the game.

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by Krang on May 6, 2009 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

i wish lma

would bring back that hook he was doing in the 07-08 season, he would be totally unstoppable

by elconquistador on May 6, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

LMA is a good player with specific deficiencies

It was good to see LMA put together another good year on a team that won 54 wins. His stats weren’t empty and contributed to the success of the Blazers. Going strictly by the numbers, it would seem LMA did not improve much. Looking under the hood, his game evolved from the previous year. He added a running hook and a nice baseline spin to his repertoire. LMA looked more confident dribbling the ball and passing out to the perimeter. We finally saw him take advantage of his speed and beat his defender down the court for easy buckets.

Defensively, I would describe LMA as underachieving. Considering his length and agility, his defense is inexcusably poor. He lacks awareness on help defense and his rotations are slow. Scola abused LMA in the post when he got the opportunity. I’d like to see vast improvements on the defensive end.

I don’t think LMA is a solid number 2 option on a championship caliber team. He can’t get the other team in foul trouble and shoots too many jumpshots. I’d like to see him focus more on his defense and become a better passer in the high post. He will be Blazer for a long time as long as his defense improves.

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by blzrfan on May 6, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I forgot to mention rebounding

He started to rebound better as the year went on. LMA tends to his rebounds as the consequence of his height and length more than his technique. The Rocket really hurt the Blazers on the glass and LMA was a big reason. He needs to learn how to get the ball. Instead of waiting for the ball, I want to see him going for the rebound or box out his man.

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by blzrfan on May 6, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA is a below average power forward

So far, LMA has been a below average power forward in the NBA (Reference: http://www.wagesofwins.com/Portland740809.html) and though he has potential to become better, it won’t change the fact that he has been below average all 3 years in this league, and the trend seems to indicate that he is not really improving (Reference: http://www.wagesofwins.com/AldridgeJan2009.html).

He is excellent at field goal attempts and points scored, but to be more productive he needs to increase his free throw attempts (his jump shooting style is not really conducive to getting easy points via free throws), increase his rebounds (which have woefully less), and increase his field goal percentage.

Since his value is at an all time high right now, it would make the most sense to trade him for a good player (maybe even a great player).

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Especially--

— when the links don’t work.

by stax o' wax on May 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not harsh

It is the truth. Wages of wins really is a below average statistical system.

by trk on May 6, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

David Lewin and Dan Rosenbaum did a study comparing various basketball metrics

Link

Wages of win was outperformed not only by PER and EFF, but also by simple metrics like points per game.

by trk on May 6, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks trk

While the powerpoint was fascinating, it seemed to be comparing the metrics toward what is a better predictor of future wins. And yes, wages of wins, at least per that presentation, is not a good indicator/predictor of future wins, but that does not make it inferior in analyzing the past. In fact I would argue that it is a infinitely better than just points per game to compare player productivity.

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Points per game has a higher correlation to actual wins than PAWS (position-adjusted win score, or the rating found before the metric is adjusted to efficiency differential). Considering points per game is merely scoring rate * minutes per game (not pace adjusted), that’s not good for Berri’s argument that scoring is very overrated/has a very low connection with wins.

I do think scoring is overrated by PER, but WoW takes the other direction too far.

by poster on May 6, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do think scoring is overrated by PER, but WoW takes the other direction too far.

You hit the nail on the head. PER values all shots made above something like a .33 clip, while WoW values only shots made at above a .50 clip. I would say the ideal metric has to be somewhere in the middle, and/or somehow take usage rate into account.

Generally speaking, though, WoW does a good job of “filtering out” guys who don’t really make much of a difference in generating wins (like Granger – Indiana is no better or worse when he gets injured) while overrating guys with low usage rates (like Przy – although those guys are typically severely underrated, so it balances out if you look at all the metrics).

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by KP Corleone on May 6, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please explain how

Just because LMA shows up as below average does not mean the Wages of Wins is not a good statistical system.

Also, the links seem to have added the closing parenthesis “)” to the address. Please remove those and it should work.

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

that is not true

Here’s Wade’s WP48: http://www.wagesofwins.com/Heat200809.html
and here’s Przybilla’s: http://www.wagesofwins.com/Portland740809.html

If you look at wins produced, Wade is a far better producer than Przybilla.

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

my mistake-- i remembered Przy being above Wade for a good part of the season

nevertheless, at midseason, Przybilla’s WP48 was higher than, for example, Wade, Kobe, Duncan, KG, etc.

Some of Berri’s work is useful, and in LMA’s case it highlights some clear weaknesses (I do think PER overrates LMA), but in general I think PER or statistical plus/minus is better.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are right

At midseason, per minute Joel was a better producer than Wade, but why is that shocking? I mean if Przybilla was playing better than Wade in the first 20 games then Wages of Wins captures that succinctly.

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the first 20 games

Why not? That is what the data indicates. He WAS playing better (marginally) than both.

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

All right

Let me explain. Wages of Wins calculates the productivity and contribution of a player towards a teams win total. IF you calculate the numbers again at the end of the season, you will see that Roy had a better season than Joel (actually after 74 games we can see that Roy provided 13.4 of the wins while Joel provided 11.6 of the wins attributed to the team so far).

As far as other statistical models are concerned, I haven’t studied them and hence do not know what their benefits and shortcomings are to reflect correctly on them.

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

but in terms of WP48 Przy is ranked higher

so according to the Wages of Wins Journal, if Przy and Roy had played equal minutes, Joel would have produced more wins.

You are relying solely on one model out of many… and the one you picked has been consistently outperformed by other models as shown by trk and others in this thread.

i’m often critical of LMA, and will occasionally cite WP48, but any analysis based solely on Berri’s data (particularly when every other metric has a very different take) is of limited credibility.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not what it says

WP48 compares player performance per minute, and it would be a folly to assume that if a player plays more minutes he will maintain the same WP48. That is why there is the Wins produced metric, which actually looks at how many minutes a player was out on the floor and you get a higher score even if your WP48 is below average but you played more minutes (e.g. Shavlik vs. Roy).

Each metric has a different usage model and we need to use a metric correctly to understand what it is telling us (and not telling us).

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Hollinger showed that players actually tend to play better when given more minutes

In his analysis, he used PER and not WP48, but I’m pretty confident Joel could have maintained approximately the same WP48 if he had played more minutes. Indeed, Joel played more minutes this year than he did last year and saw increased production (I’m aware this is by no means proof of my point).

I could find plenty of other absurdities in terms of Wins Produced (for example, as of midseason Andris Biedrins had more wins produced, in fewer minutes played, than Tim Duncan). Likewise, we could find absurdities in the top players ranked by PER or Adjusted Plus/Minus as well. I guess what is frustrating me here is that you are using Berri’s work without acknowledging that there are other metrics out there or giving any evidence that Berri’s work is superior.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey jksnake99

I did not mean to offend or frustrate you (that is entirely upto you :-)), and I also don’t have a personal gain from favoring Berri’s methods over others. I was simply pointing out the model which I felt was reasonable and includes numbers which other models either do not include or subjectively include. For a comparison of Wages of Wins with PER go here: http://dberri.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/a-comment-on-the-player-efficiency-rating

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not offended, and I'm only a bit fustrated :)

Don’t you think Berri might be a little biased when discussing his metric versus PER? Just by a little bit? Show me an unbiased source that ranks Berri’s work above PER, statistical plus minus, etc. and I might be more convinced.

by jksnake99 on May 6, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The proplem with Wages of Wins is that it does not acknowledge the existence of diminishing returns

Berri’s stats do not really take into account how players affect the productivity of their teammates when they are in the game. The two clearest examples of this are in rebounding(especially defensive rebounding) and scoring.

Berri assumes that if you remove a player who gets 5 defensive rebounds per game and replace him with a player who gets 10 defensive rebounds per game at the same position, the team will get 5 more rebounds per game. However, many of those rebounds would be picked up by that player’s teammates if he does not get them, so in reality the increase in team rebounding would be a lot less than 5 rebounds per game. If you put 5 Joel Przybillas on the same team, you will not suddenly start getting 160% of all possible defensive rebounds.

Berri assumes that players will shoot the same percentage on their shots regardless of how many shots the have to take. He does not understand that volume scorers can help their team even if they aren’t extremely efficient because by scoring a lot they draw more defensive attention and make it easier for other players to score. If 5 Joel Przybillas were playing at the same time, Berri would expect them to all continue to shoot 62.5% and just increase their volume of shots.

If all the players on a team have a high win score then you have a good team, but if you take a bunch of players with a high win score and put them all on the same team it does not mean that the team you create will be good.

by trk on May 6, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Basically, Wade > Przybilla > Roy. That’s nice to know.

Przybilla is very overrated by WoW because he is the best defensive rebounder in the league and shoots a high percentage from the field.

It doesn’t punish him for being a guy with a usage rate of less than 10% of the teams possessions, also known as a guy who hurts the offense by being a guy teams can help off of.

Likewise, WoW underrates Aldridge for being a poor defensive rebounder and doesn’t take into account Aldridge’s 20%+ usage rate. This is obviously a simplified summary, but that’s where the bulk of the discrepancy between WoW and other metrics is.

by poster on May 6, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since you are keen to establish a hierarchy of who is better than whom, here’s the wages of wins link from mid season: http://www.wagesofwins.com/AllPlayerMid0809.html

I’m extremely sure that the numbers now have changed by end of season, but it does not take anything away from what happened in the first half of this season.

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Norsktroll for the link

And the biggest deficiency in Wages of Wins is a lack of metric for measuring defense (which I believe no other known statistical method measures correctly). Many models try to measure defense or provide a crude measure of it (e.g. plus/minus), but since we don’t have good data points that capture defense we have to live with whatever is currently captured (e.g. rebounds, steals, etc.).

Within the known parameters that a game captures, Wages of Wins does an excellent and objective job of comparing players. I might also add that there are three metrics there which are of interest to me:

1. Win Score: which can be used to compare players at the same position.
2. WP48 for comparing productivity of a player per minute.
3. Wins Produced: For comparing all players in the league against each other

by mmm! on May 6, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

People only like statistical models that favor their own biases.

That’s why you’ll see Portland fans proudly pointing at Joel’s WP48 when arguing for sixth man, but point to PER for Roy and Aldridge.

My own perspective is that WoW has had notable successes that are pretty hard to ignore (his uncanny accuracy in terms of the number of likely wins for Denver and Philly after the AI/Miller trade, for instance). But it does tend to overvalue players exactly like Thrilla or Josh Childress; guys who fill up non-scoring stats and shoot efficiently on the kind of very high percentage shots that it’s hard to get in large volume (finishing on the break, for Chill, putbacks for Thrilla).

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to Wins Produced the two least productive players in the last year were Al Thornton and Antoine Wright

One of them played over 1500 minutes, the other over 2500 minutes. Just watching those players has to tell you that is wrong. Are their coaches blind, or idiots? The Mavs are considered a team employing a lot of statisticians, why did nobody tell Carlisle Wright sucks? PER gives Wright a 8.63, which sounds about right for a guy who scored over 400 points and got over 100 rebounds.

P.S.: Childress is not performing extremely well in Greece. Most of his numbers have dropped despite playing against inferior competition and with much more rest.

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

"are their coaches blind, or idiots?"

I think you meant this as a yes/no question, but it’s not totally clear, considering one of the coaches involved is Mike Dunleavy, right?

Agree on the Childress thing; also note that Atlanta had a better year this year without him. Like I said, one major failing of WoW is the tendency to overrate these types of players.

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

LaMarcus Aldridge

Is a perfect compliment to Oden at center, as Roy is to both our young big men. Every thing else is up in the air.

by TheGreatDane17 on May 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

My Laker friend called LaMarcus "LMA" today and it caught me off guard

Why did he call LA, LMA? It makes no sense to me.

" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy

by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I will type LMA

But I call him LA. It’s easier to type LMA than LaMarcus and I don’t want people to think for some reason I’m talking about the Lakers, but calling him that’s a little weird.

"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez

by twiggs on May 7, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love LA's game

I think that LaMarcus has the physical ability and the heart to become even better than he was this season. Just look back at the Behind the Lockeroom series and Quick always wrote that LA was the one who was most upset after loses.He takes losing very personally and knows when he has not had a good game.remember the ESPN article and how it said that after the christms game he called up Caleb Kanales and had a shooting session. after a christmas game!!?? I think it is easy to see that he expects a lot of himself and i think that drive will make him improve and become a superstar in this league. Not to mention that he has a very likable personality and gets along with all of his teamates and is resepectful to fans and the city of Portland.

I do not think there is any chance of LA going anywhere. He is a huge part of this team. He is as important to this team as Brandon. and just look at the last game of this seson. Even when there was a small chance of us pulling this win out, he gave it his all and had a great game. I think that he will become more aggressive as he gets older and gains more experience.

by stela15 on May 6, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

LMA isn't going anywhere

KP loves him. Has a man crush on him. So forget it. Blazer’s still need a point guard upgrade. We need CP3 tossing lobs to LMA. That would be sweet!

by toolman on May 6, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I love me some LMA

but if you went back 3 years ago and asked me who would be the better of the two between him and brandon, I would have put a lot down on LMA. He’s improved a ton, but I just thought he’d be taking the NBA by storm by now.

I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer

by Philthyanimal on May 6, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

LMA's importance cannot be overstated.

He has some parts to his game that can be improved but he has shown the ability to improve and improve rapidly. Rookie season 9 pts and 5 rebounds marred by injury. 2 yrs later he plays 81 games with big minutes and is effective at both ends of the court. No player in the league at PF would be enough of a upgrade to trade him for. Plus his is the perfect compliment to Roy and Oden. That threesome on the floor together for extended minutes will make a big difference next year.

by Odenrising on May 6, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm late for this post

LaMarcus did what he was expected. Not everyone can be an AllStar, but he did well. He adapted to Greg’s presence and found himself after a slow start, bringing the best out of himself when we needed him the most.

For the next season I’d like him to improve his decision making, specially in the high post where he doesn’t usually notice open players and sometimes takes bad shots. He turned some 2v2 plays with Rudy where we had advantage into 1on1’s where he just shot in fron of his player.

……………………Def________….Rudy…………………
Roy…Def………./……………………\…………………………..
……………………./……………………LA…………………………
……………………————————Def—-………………………..
…………………..|………………………….|………………………..
…………………..|………………………….|………………………..
…………………..|…………Def………….|………………………..
…………………..|..Pryz………………….|…………..Def……..
…………………..|………………………….|…………………Travis
…………………..|………………………….|………………………..

That scheme is often used in games after a Brandon to Rudy to LA.
It always ends with LA shooting in front of his man or giving it back to Rudy after a few seconds when the defense is all set.
It’s one of my favorite Nate plays, but LA ruins it every time! Travis baseline or Rudy’s three, it’s not that difficult! Sometimes is Blake instead of Travis, but anyway, he can run the baseline while Rudy cuts the same way and Roy goes to the free throw line.

Well, I wrote too much about that, the fact is that LaMarcus has to learn to think faster. When he gets the ball theres a 40% chance that he shoots (most of the time with someone in front of him) and a 40% chance that a new play with little time has to be made. I know he isn’t 2001 Webber, but come on, with a little practice our offense can get a lot better.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

by DaniBCN on May 7, 2009 4:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I have two questions

I enjoy LaMarcus and want him to continue being a Blazer his whole career. Dave’s evaluation seems clear and I agree. However I would like to see addressed two more points:

1. In his pre-draft evaluation by Draft Express LA described his sky hook as his favorite weapon.

Jonathan Watters: What is one attribute of yours that you’ll be able to use right away in the NBA?

LaMarcus Aldridge: Beyond my mobility, I would say my sky hook. That’s the most unstoppable shot in the NBA, so I feel like if I went out tomorrow I could get my sky hook off on anybody.

What happened to this shot (he uses it some) and why is he now mostly a jump shot player?

2. His Offensive rebounding is much better (8th) than his defensive rebounding (45th) against the league and he is at his best running the fast break. Are these connected? If he leads the break does that mean he is not going for the rebound?

"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard

by lee3022 on May 7, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

One more thing

The team was 19-7 when LA gets 10 or more rebounds and 8-10 when he gets 5 or fewer rebounds

"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard

by lee3022 on May 7, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Three areas I’d like to see Aldridge improve on

(1) His overall scoring efficiency — 53% true shooting mark — bothers me.
(2) His rebounding per minute
(3) His team defense and pick and roll coverage

by NBR on May 8, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

LA

He will get a bit better but mainly as things get easier for him as the rest of team gets better.

You don’t trade him for anything but a better big and probably not unless it is a better value big and there are very few or more likely none that would be both offered and taken.

He is more important to the Blazer success to date than some give him credit for but the improvement from this level to other levels will have to come largely from other players.

by StatRaven on May 11, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

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