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Individual Player Conversation Ground Rules

We're going to spend the next few days talking about the seasons of each individual Blazer.  I'll have stats, a look at their progress, and some analysis but more than half of the fun will be seeing what you guys think.

Before we start, though, I have a couple of conversation rules to head off our collective progress towards certain cliffs that people seem to love to drive off of when these things are brought up.

First, criticism of these players is fair game.  We're almost all Blazer fans here.  We all love the team. That's understood.  But loving the team doesn't mean refraining from thinking or saying anything critical about them.  This team is good.  This team isn't perfect.  Nobody in the front office is taking a five-month vacation because they think their job is finished.  Kevin Pritchard and Tom Penn aren't playing Parcheesi all summer.  We get to talk about issues and possible solutions just like they do...maybe not as intelligently, but earnestly nonetheless. 

We all have to understand that this isn't a fairy tale.  These guys are here to win games.  Right now LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers are lining up for a decade-long run at titles, much like Michael Jordan and the Bulls did in the 90's.  Right now Kobe Bryant and the L*kers are trying to do the same in the West, albeit with a shorter window.  The Blazers won't be waltzing their way to any dynasties.  They have to do everything they can at each step to make sure they're in the best position possible to compete and ultimately win.  Loyalty is part of that winning equation to a point, but sentiment can't stop a single move that would make us better or we've already lost because somebody else is going to make that move when we don't.  If it became clear that 11 guys in that locker room were helping the team but the 12th, for whatever reason, wasn't optimal, 12 out of 12 guys--every one of them including the player in question--would vote to address the situation.  Nobody wants anything less than the best chance to win.

Without invalidating that point, let me also say that there's criticism and then there's crap.  The two aren't the same.  Use the stats, use your observations, use lessons you've learned from history or watching the rest of the league, use your gut instinct if you want.  If any of those lead you to a critical observation, so be it.  But nobody cares which player you think is a clueless idiot.  Nobody cares that you think Player X "sucks".  And none of these players kept the team from winning 70 and a championship this year.  It's tedious to read that kind of thing.  If you're going to criticize, substantiate and let us debate.

Please note that comments should generally center around the player at hand rather than any player(s) you perceive as competing with that player for a position.  It's not kosher to run down Player A because you prefer Player B who's behind him in the rotation.  Save that comment for Player B's thread and analyze Player A on his own merits.  It's pretty discouraging to read multiple threads full of nuclear comments because everybody is interested in taking out other guys so their horse will be perceived as the best.  It not only makes all the players involved look bad for the preponderance of negative comments in their threads, it makes us look silly as well.  Don't do it.  Talk up your guy all you want when his day comes.  If you're not reasonably sure you can latch on to a grain of objectivity when talking about his competition, just let other people carry the weight that day knowing your guy's turn will come.

To be clear:  both emotion and debate are encouraged.  We are fans.  This is a fan community.   That's what we do.  But the emotion and debate need to be fairly expressed and honest in their aim.  You don't need to come up with a brilliant treatise to participate, just be straightforward in your assessments and your explanations for them.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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well said

but I like to the think the stars are aligned for Portland to go on a long championship run, no matter how silly it sounds

by cloudydays on May 5, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I believe so too

and have said so. But it will almost certainly take some tough decisions to get us there.

—Dave

by Dave on May 5, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bummer.
It’s not kosher to run down Player A because you prefer Player B who’s behind him in the rotation. Save that comment for Player B’s thread and analyze Player A on his own merits.

I really wanted to do this to you and Ben.

Haha! jus’ playin’. I think whatever is said, we all need to realize that it took some team effort to get to 54 wins. Improving 13 wins in one season is incredible, especially when we consider that we already were a .500 team. The praise for these players ought to outweigh the criticism.

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 5, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope Dave gets carpal tunnel so Ben can take over

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on May 6, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not likely

after my total wrist and hand replacements. I look like a combination of the Terminator and Wolverine now. I have to stay well away from chalkboards though. That’s a bummer.

—Dave

by Dave on May 6, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

You guys talking about LeBron James?

Nah, we’re just talking about how Chuck Dave would kill himself opening a package of Twinkies.

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 6, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 6, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

That always sounded like something I like to put on pasta

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 6, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing!

Perfectly worded Dave!

Blake4Prez2012!!!

by Blake4Prez2012 on May 6, 2009 12:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks! Got it.

Ok let ’er RIP Dave!

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 6, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Also need to remember that not every player is LBJ

or will maximize their potential, need to be realistic about their capabilities

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on May 6, 2009 12:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't know what you mean

BTW, did anyone else notice that Rex got totally shafted for MVP this year?

2 hot 2 stop it

by dan_the_man on May 6, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya

I figured the most violent prospect was all but locked up for Rex….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on May 6, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love it! Rec'd.

I’m so much smoother than Jorga….it ain’t even funny.

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 6, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

you have youth on your side. But someday when you are decrepit you will recall that you once showed a lack of respect for your betters elders and you will be overcome with remorse and wish with all your being that you had treated old ladies more kindly.

[Signed]
Jorga, the Unsmooth
(who sees that even the comment added to remedy the error defies comprehension. Definitely an unsmooth day.)

"...I'm thinking we can play for a championship sooner than people think. We can really do it." - B.Roy, 5-1-09 (via J.Quick)

by jorga on May 6, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

grandma lady jorga Jorga ma’am. Please forgive me.

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 6, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love it! Rec’d.

"...I'm thinking we can play for a championship sooner than people think. We can really do it." - B.Roy, 5-1-09 (via J.Quick)

by jorga on May 6, 2009 7:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Dang

that was supposed to be to Norsktroll. (Not that I didn’t like your post, Dave.)

However, now that I have your attention, is there a way you could move this post to be on top of the player evaluation? I started with the first story which was LMA, then at the end was a mention of the conversation rules. If i was a knee-jerk reactionary I probably wouldn’t have even gotten as far as the mention of the rules before I wrote a “bench LaMarcus, Channing deserves more time!” post …

Or better yet, just edit each and every evaluation post to a mention of (and link to) the rules.

"...I'm thinking we can play for a championship sooner than people think. We can really do it." - B.Roy, 5-1-09 (via J.Quick)

by jorga on May 6, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dave, unless you can admit

that we would have won the title if only Shavlik had played Ruffin’s minutes, then I simply can’t respect your basketball knowledge any more. I think it’s pretty clear to all of us that this will go down as Nate’s biggest mistake.

by Royster on May 6, 2009 7:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Ruffin's playoff stats are actually quite nice :)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/ruffimi01.html

14.4 PER. 5 rebounds. 1/2 FTs. 1 TO. 1 Foul. And all of this in 5 minutes. Over the season, I don’t know why Shav didn’t get more of a chance over Frye and Ike. Sth Nate didn’t like.

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pssh, 14.4

McRoberts put up a 20.8 in 28 minutes during the regular season last year. I’d expect nothing less than a 25 out of Shavlik.

by Royster on May 6, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can we question someone's fandom?

When I see folks discussing trading Aldridge, I wonder if they have ever listened to KP or read an interview from him. KP has probably mentioned keeping Aldridge 1.67 million times.

" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy

by tominhawaii on May 6, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions  

For example as recently as on the latest Courtside interview. Going by that KP has very high hopes and expectations for LaMarcus, Greg (“for us to take the next level up it has to come from Greg if we are talking organically from our own guys”), Rudy, Bayless and will only trade them for certified stars (something that some pundits blame him for overvaluing his guys, but still it seems he wants to bring back about all of them). High hopes for Webster next season, so that also seems unlikely.

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

1.67 million...is that all?

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 6, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

We could get CP3 for Martell and Kleiza Jack Bayless. Only 4 years ago.

by Norsktroll on May 6, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

LA Improvements

I really like what I saw from LA this season. There were 3 areas where I think he worked very hard and made great strides. First was his eagerness to take the ball to the hole. By the end of the season he was trying so hard to do this that he was forgetting to just shoot the ball (think about the Houston series games 1 and2). He is NOT soft. I can see it from his facial expressions that he enjoys physicality and banging down low.
Second, I like how he worked very hard to get out and run the floor. Toward the end of the season he was getting a few points every game by doing so. This REALLY helps the Blazers and requires opponents to work to keep up with him. Finally, I loved his active hands on defense. He is very good at getting his hands on passes, bothering point guards, etc.

Keep it up LA…You are going to dominate next year!

by mlsinpdx on May 6, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

L.Aldridge is All-Star next year !

LaMarcus likely will be snubbed because of the fans pertention to elect household names over and over. However, with Duncan aging and Stoudamire’s week team, who else is there in the Western Conference that should warrant a nod over our silky-smooth Aldridge? My guess is that he is a reserve pick or at least a last minute injury fill-in.

by rudymancrush on May 6, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

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