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Jump shooting rarely wins championships

No matter how nice you find Travis outlaw or friendly Steve Blake may seem to you in post game interviews SOMETHING has to be done about our current roster. As Larry Bird acts as the exception which proves the rule the blazers got blown out of the water by a Rocket team that took advantage of our poor defensive efficiency and our inability to penetrate and score. Every time I watch Outlaw as soon he pulls up and jumps forteen hundred feet in the air to just put up a 15 foot jumpshot I stare at the cieling and ask WHY? On occasion the ball hits the bottom of the net and I rejoice and everything has shifted to an equilibrium of righteousness in my Blazers world. But this just breeds compacency and that is exactly what it seems the Blazers stand for about now.

I would like to think that the flashes of Martell 2 years ago where he took his near Lebron esc frame to the bucket would be a prospect of the future, and we won't have to make a move to improve our offense when it gets down to the nitty gritty but i'm not so sure that is the case.

Honestly i'm not really sure what the tone or purpose of this fan post is. I'm a fan and I wanted to vent my most pressing concern. We need someone who can get to hole who isnt named Brandon Roy. Especially on that second line which takes more outside shots than any team in the NBA should be allotted.

 

K bye Blazers Edge.

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Good thing we have bayless

He may be ready next year.

I kind of hope they send him to summer league again to drop 40 ppg.

by lurtsman on May 5, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

suprising comments coming from a Durant fanboy like you

Durant sucks at defense, yet you pick on Oden.

Hmm… consistency and credibility issues come to mind when somebody takes varying positions like you have.

by tominrehab on May 6, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

what fatty said

it was clear black night, a clear white moon

by In Walks Rudy on May 5, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess Cleveland's not winning a championship then.

Cleveland took the 5th fewest rate of their shots in the paint. They also just got an average rate of FTs at 15th in FTM/FGA.

http://www.82games.com/0809/FGTEAM11.HTM

Do jump shooting teams really do worse than they should? San Antonio and Detroit were jump shooting teams when they won. This Blazers took more jump shots than usual, but they aren’t that far from the mean.

by poster on May 5, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions  

The Cleveland cavs

Also don’t have the worst defensive efficiency in the league. Also they have this guy who is pretty good who drives to the hoop whenever he wants and leaves a plethora of open 15 footers and 3 point attempts. They are winning with one of the best run Defenses in the league and the Best player in the NBA doing anything and everything.

by duckyou on May 5, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you on that.

I’m saying that simply being a jump shooting team is not a problem. The Blazers did lose to the Rockets mainly on the defensive end (though 13th on defense is hardly the worst). Those open jumpers are still jumpers being taken, which makes them a jump shooting team that have a strong chance of winning this season.

by poster on May 5, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

We didn’t have the worst defensive efficiency in the league either

http://www.twitter.com/fiveohthree/

by inroywetrust on May 6, 2009 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Houston's championship teams

If you watched those runs, were built almost entirely on a single premise. Dump it in to Hakeem. Watch him work. If the defense collapses, everyone else, bomb threes.

It was extremely effective.

So, while you don’t want a team full of jump shooters, you need jump shooters in order to make your paint play effective, and vice versa. So, dumping a pair of guys because they’re primarily jump shooters isn’t necessarily the soundest plan (although one could make other arguments to include with that).

by zaruga on May 5, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions  

okay key word there

HAKEEM, arguably the best center of all time. You can’t deem them a perimeter team with him down low.

by duckyou on May 5, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think someone else said it best

over on this thread—it wasn’t said quite as succinctly, but here’s a good summary.

Teams that have efficient offenses, tend to get good shots. Shots at the rim, post-ups, or outside shots that are wide open, and with the defense scrambling to cover.

Teams that don’t, tend to have to force shots—and the shots that the defense will concede are contested jumpers.

Shooting excessive jumpers, then, is (I believe) a symptom of a poorly-functioning offense, not a cause of it. A jumper taken by a player who is wide open and in his range is not a bad shot.

When Barkley says “jumpshooting teams don’t win” he’s right—but he’s switching cause and effect. Teams that can be forced into taking perimeter jumpers with the clock running out and a hand in the shooter’s face are gonna lose—because they’re being stopped. FTMP, they aren’t losing because they are eschewing better shots for outside shots—they are being forced to take what the defense is giving them. The good shots inside aren’t there.

Of course, it isn’t entirely cut and dried—the problem with offenses that do rely excessively on jumpshots (even if the wide open variety) is that a cold streak can shut them down. Dunks and layups are less dependent on energy levels and other such things than are jumpers—many jumpshooters will “go cold” if something interferes with their mechanics. This affected the Blazers somewhat—too many members of the team don’t have effective post or penetration games. Slow down Roy and LMA while staying home on the shooters, and the team can be beaten.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

by EngineerScotty on May 5, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellent summary.

At least I assume it is, as I’m to lazy to even click a link. But good points are made. I might add this. Every team has to have jump shooting. If all a team ever did was go to the rim, the paint would be clogged so tight that they could make diamonds out of coal. The reverse is also true. If a team only shoots jumpshots, then the defenders would have every shooter covered. It’s much harder to defend both. So the higher percentage shot is guarded more closely.

The Rockets have the defenders to cover both at the same time. They just stifled the one of the most efficient offenses in the NBA. What we did worked in the regular season. It worked better than almost anyone else. The Lakers did not have a more efficient offense. The Cavs did not have a more efficient offense. Boston did not have a more efficient offense. The Lakers found out what Houston’s defense could do in Game one. I don’t know if offense is the thing we really need to fix. It’s letting Houston shoot those 50%+ in games that really killed us.

Blame the jumpshot if you want, but if it’s the best shot we have, take it. Just going to the rim doesn’t magically make things better (More turnovers, blocked shots, charging calls, etc). But ignoring it does no good either. There must be balance, and I thought the Blazer’s statistical year showed they knew that balance well.

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by T Darkstar on May 5, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly.

Diverse weapons are what’s needed. And we have those. We are not lacking in offensive talent. Our limitation is an offense that struggles to get our guys good looks.

We don’t necessarily need another player who can “get to the hole.” We need an offense that gets our guys good looks. And to do this, we need to figure out when and how to pass the ball.

by Blazin' on May 5, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much does Nate have to do with this state of affairs?

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on May 6, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Something about original post I can't ignore

Larry Bird was the exception? So the Bird-Parish-McHale era Celtics were a jump-shooting team. The quite possibly best front court in NBA history? Someone has to explain that one for me. Not that it detracts from your point, at all. Maybe we should get a Bird-type small forward. Sorry, I kid. This post got me looking at the Legend’s highlights again. (In my defense, I grew up on the east coast without a local team.)

by jiminut on May 5, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

thats what i'm trying to say

Bird and Parish were so good they are the EXCEPTION to the rule that jump shooting wont win championships because they were just that efficient

by duckyou on May 8, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blake is nice in postgame interviews?

When did I enter Bizzaro world?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on May 6, 2009 12:10 AM PDT reply actions  

i.st of all

lebron is a dominant force,he drives to the basket and draw fouls.also lebron’s ballers are coming through bigtime.as for hakeem are you serious,like ming his low post presence,somthing the blazers don’t have i might add creates spot up shooters all around the perimeter.another reason why houston won titles.hakeem ballers came through for him.roy’s so called ballers are duds period.

by fatty on May 6, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

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