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I laughed for like two minutes after this line:
Fool me once. Then get better personnel.

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 4, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I was talking to the Bulls bloggers

and they were all over a Bayless and Outlaw trade for Hinrich… Think this is a good one? Or do we keep Bayless and offer Blake? We might be able to convince them that Outlaw is just like Ben Gordon only taller and more “upside.”

"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"

by two buck chuck on May 4, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather do the Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw for Kirk Hinrich trade, re-sign Blake after the ...

Chicago Bulls waive his non-guaranteed contract, and ship out Jerryd Bayless in a different trade.

by AK1984 on May 4, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the deal is done before draft day (6/25/2009), then the Chicago Bulls could select a ...

point guard (e.g., Eric Maynor) with the 16th pick. Lindsey Hunter should hang up his jersey and sneakers, of course.

by AK1984 on May 4, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Blazers can trade Blake or Outlaw

without first exercising the option on their contracts. In other words, trading them to a team for the purpose of cutting them is a no-no.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

by EngineerScotty on May 6, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we add Hinrich

I’d want to keep Bayless and let him develop with 15-20 mpg at the point.

I believe in Greg Oden. To all the haters - get down with the program or stay off the wagon for all time. #52

by blazeraddict on May 4, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Outlaw and Blake would be better for both teams

Bayless is (right now) a lesser Ben Gordon, albeit one who plays defense (or tries)—and Blake is a lesser Hinrich.

I’m a firm believer in variety off the bench. Assuming Chicago re-signs Salmons, having a backcourt rotation of Rose, Salmons, Gordon, and Blake would be nice for them.

Having a backcourt rotation of Roy, Hinrich, Bayless, and Fernandez—plus one other purish-point guard with jets—would be nice for us.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

by EngineerScotty on May 6, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once Bayless gets settled, I'd prefer him for the variety of skills he gives the team

At this point, Blake’s better. In two years? I guess it depends on whether we really think we’re contending next year.

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by hobobob on May 4, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

MONEY, people

Outlaw and Bayless combined don’t make 9 mil

you can’t deal them for Hinrich without adding another player making 3 mil and match salaries

RLEC has expired

by two4larue on May 4, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, this trade would be done before the July moratorium and the NBA's new fiscal year.

In short, the answer is “no” to your question.

Regardless, it’s still a hypothetically plausible trade that fits under the rules and regulations of the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement.

by AK1984 on May 4, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's so the Bulls would have the option of waiving Steve Blake and/or Travis Outlaw ...

by 6/30/2009, which is the last day they can be cut before their salaries are guaranteed for the 2009-2010 season.

On a side note, I was an idiot for thinking that two4larue typed Blake instead of Bayless. As it is, two4larue is right that a Outlaw and Jerryd Bayless for Kirk Hinrich trade wouldn’t work financially.

by AK1984 on May 4, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I didn't realize that yall were assuming that

the bulls do this as a salary dump.

Hm, I dunno. I’m not sure why Chicago wouldn’t keep both players after doing this deal. If I were Paxson, I would let Ben Gordon walk, trade Hinrich for a young prospect and cap relief, and start a Rose/Salmons/Deng/TT/Noah lineup. Bayless, Trout and Brad Miller as the rest of the 8 man rotation, leaves them a little light on bench support, they’d want another big maybe.

shrug we could probably throw Frye in as their 9th man and they’d be set until they make their summer of 2010 free agent splash.

by howlingfantods on May 4, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

and in that scenario

I’m not sure that there’s a better “young prospect and cap relief” deal that they could get than what we’re discussing here. There’s a pretty strong argument that we give away wayyyy too much by including Bayless in the deal instead of Blake, since Bayless’s upside is potentially quite high.

by howlingfantods on May 4, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hm, I dunno. I’m not sure why Chicago wouldn’t keep both players after doing this deal

I also wonder if they’d keep both as well. Blake would make a good backup pg and a decent mentor for Rose (even though they have different style games), and Outlaw’s probably the point of the trade along with the salary dump.

However, if the point of this transaction is indeed a salary dump to afford to sign Ben Gordon, at least one of the players would get cut. Blake’s the obvious choice since Travis probably is considered the one with more upside.

Hence the assumption the trade would happen before July, and that at least one player might be a FA soon after.

by Timmay! on May 4, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think most of us in Bulls land are assuming the big point

to dumping Kirk is to keep Ben and stay under the tax. A minority of people do want to get rid of both and move on, but most of the discussion about moving Kirk has been with an eye to making room to resign Ben.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on May 6, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're wrong on this one.

FROM CHICAGO & TO PORTLAND
PG Kirk Hinrich ($10,000,000)

Outgoing Salaries: $10,000,000

FROM PORTLAND & TO CHICAGO
PG Steve Blake ($4,250,000)
F Travis Outlaw ($4,000,000)

Outgoing Salaries: $8,250,000 X 125% + $100,000 = $10,412,500

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ck43me

I waste enough of my time on these trade proposals — with this one being a pretty simple deal — that I’m pretty well versed on what’s financially viable here.

by AK1984 on May 4, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

we didn't hire Tom Penn

to let a little thing like that stop us from getting whomever we want.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 4, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus, Ben

I would have accepted this simple sentence,

“He’s a good point guard for this system, but he’s not a good point guard.”

by robrun2 on May 4, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought that was a GREAT read Ben

although I do think need you underappreciate Blake’s 3 point shooting. Shooting 42 freaking percent is amazing. If he doesn’t shoot that then the defense collapses and makes it even MORE difficult for Oden/LMA to develop. It’s not like Blake is Iverson or Artest. As you mention, he’s only scoring ~9 or 10 a game. That’s two or three threes a night—just enough to keep the defense honest.

Otherwise though, great read. You nailed everything.

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 4, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

“although I do think need you underappreciate Blake’s 3…”

acta est fabula plaudite -- Thanks for a great season.

by prezofdeath on May 4, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

when he feels like shooting it

I will say one thing, if you are a 6’3" Nba player who is not fast, strong, has suspect floor vision, who can’t penetrate and can’t rebound, I hope to god you can hit an open three.

by svlittle on May 5, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, how seriously should we take the opinions

of someone who ranks dead last in predicting player performance?

Nah, just kidding ben! Just double your score and you’ll be right back in this thing. In the middle of the pack.

by howlingfantods on May 4, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow, is the word I thought of too...

It was a good analysis but on that I think was all filtered through his man-crush for Bayless. If Bayless is to magically become that hard-nosed, high flying, hall-or-famer that Ben is expecting, then that makes Sergio enemy number one and Steve Blake enemy number two. I’m not behind this at all. I glad Pritchard is the one running the team. Geez Ben.

by MattyDread on May 4, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Agree completely with this
The easiest mistake for General Manager Kevin Pritchard to make this offseason would be to talk himself into another year with Steve Blake as the Portland Trail Blazers’ starting point guard. Given Blake’s dollar store salary, lunch pail dependability, solid character and the fact that he’s coming off what team officials love to call a “career year,” the temptation to stick with Blake is overwhelming. Indeed, last Friday afternoon Pritchard told the media he did not foresee “wholesale changes” to the roster and name-checked Blake specifically as a player who has taken on increased responsibility as a veteran on a young, developing team. The temptation to ride this “career year” 11 points and 5 assists per game point guard must be resisted at all costs if the Blazers are serious about taking their next step on the way to an NBA championship.

I’m not as big on the idea that Steve HAS to go to make room for B-Rex, but I agree that relying on Steve as the starting PG would be a big mistake – and one that would prevent the Blazers from becoming a true title contender for as long as it continues (unless or until B-Rex steps up and becomes a point guard).

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on May 4, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Why not get rid of Sergio?

And give Bayless 12-18 mintues a game? Based on his performance this year there’s no way you can justify giving Bayless starter minutes next season. The sensible course would seem to be phase Blake’s minutes down as he gets a little older, up Bayless’ mintues and then in a year or two bring over Koponen or some other young PG to learn from/backup Bayless.

by erastus25 on May 4, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

The first half of the season

Bayless would be brutal. The second half of the season, I think we would see the light coming on. But I think you need to invest that 12-18 mpg into him to see what would happen.

I think Sergio is dissatisfied and wants to leave on his own. I’m OK with Blake and Bayless, and I’d like us to get Pooh Jeter as insurance at the position. – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 6, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I find it surprising that Ben's article only focuses on Blake's offense

I think Blake is a great fit for the Blazers offensively. Blake’s long-range shooting and low-turnover distributing are exactly what the Blazers need from their PG. They don’t need a PG that can get to the basket because they would rather have Roy be the one doing that instead.

Quick penetrating PGs are all the rage right now, but I have not seen any evidence to indicate that that type of PG is necessary or even beneficial for a team to have. Look at the teams with the most efficient offenses in the NBA: Portland, Phoenix, LAL, Cleveland. They all have jump shooting PGs who rarely attack the rim. Also, the Blazers are significantly more efficient on offense with Blake at the point than with Sergio or Bayless or Jarrett Jack. Why should the Blazers be in such a rush to get a quick, penetrating PG when all indications are that they do better with a pass-first shooter at the position?

by trk on May 4, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Totally agree.

I’d accept some criticism of Blake’s D, but this criticism was over the top. Look at the Lakers offense for evidence that a stereotypically good PG isn’t necessary. Contrary to what Ben said, Blake DOES fit offensively. Need another example? Look at the PGs Nate had in Seattle when he ran the exact same offense and got his team to overachieve. I’m good with Blake and Bayless as a backup.

by erastus25 on May 4, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don’t need a PG that can get to the basket because they would rather have Roy be the one doing that instead.

Why does there only need to be one pentrator in the backcourt?

Blazer history lesson: Drexler could drive and dish like few 2-guards in NBA history. But at the end of games, who would put his head down and drive into the paint, get knoocked on his butt and go to the FT line and hit the FTs, then do it again the next possession?

Terry Porter.

Bayless is the closest thing to Porter I’ve seen walk through the Blazer’s practice room door, since Terry

by two4larue on May 4, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

another non-pg who learned to be a good PG on the job

just btw.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 4, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is only 1 ball

You can have 2 penetrating guards, but they won’t both be able to penetrate at the same time. When 1 of the guards is penetrating, the other guard should be spotting up at the 3-point line ready to receive a kick-out pass.

by trk on May 4, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

a la Lebron and Mo Williams

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 6, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Quick penetrating PGs are all the rage right now

and that’s because of the hand-checking rules

Here’s the checklist for the next Blazer starting PG

Penetrate and finish
Penetrate and pass to big man
Penetrate and draw fouls
Defend penetration
Make enough open jumpers (not necessarilty 3 pointers) to keep the defense honest

Sure, if you get a guy who scores 10 in all those areas he’s an all-star. But you need a guy who can do all of these things better than Blake

by two4larue on May 4, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

great(maybe too great) description of bayless
Given his skill set — great first step, aggressive defensive intensity, ability to finish at the rim, Tae-Bo physique — Bayless should be able to succeed as a full-time backup point guard next season.

but i have to wonder if having a “tae-bo physique” is really a skill set?

"Howard, he know me" Rudy

by phillyduck23 on May 4, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

yes, it is

he works on his body and it makes him better on both ends of the floor. He can power past people and finish shots slighter guards could not, he can also defend strong guards like Billups.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 4, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Should" but hasn't much

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on May 4, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with Ben

Yes, I think that the Blazers need to address the point guard situation this offseason, but getting rid of Blake would be a mistake. I think Blake is the perfect back up point guard for us. Imagine him coming off the bench. It would make the bench that much better and would be an absolutely perfect fit.

Red Hot and Rolling

by BlazerFan88 on May 4, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I love the honest analysis. The only problem not touched is: Who exactly is that player to replace Blake?

We can say that’s KP’s job. But it’s the question he needs to answer before telling Blake “you are out” or “you are the backup”.

Do we say “we want a better Blake in the future”, then that’s Hinrich, maybe Conley. If we say “we want a completely different style for our starter, a penetrating point guard, one who can use screens and we don’t care that he can’t really shoot the three” then that could be Miller, Sessions, Bayless, Robinson (don’t laugh, better PER than Steve/Rondo/Billups) and a small number of others. Some of those don’t exactly scream “playoff experience”. So there are still many questions to answer.

by Norsktroll on May 4, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I will say this regarding finding a replacement at starter.

I know that a lot of people here think Bayless is the future. A lot of people think that he isn’t, and Portland will get a veteran PG from another team.

All I’m saying is don’t rule out a deal to get Rubio at whatever pick he would be available at. I know a lot of people don’t like the idea of getting another rookie PG for this team that already has so much youth. But I think the youth isn’t as much of an issue as the ability of the rookie to fit the system and do the work that Blake just isn’t capable of doing. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but just don’t rule it out. With this offseason shaping up to be as tumultuous as some are predicting, the #2 or #3 overall pick isn’t as costly as it might have been in other year. Especially depending on which teams get them.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 4, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It highly depends on Sacramento

If they land #2 and can get Rubio, they will want to keep him.

by Norsktroll on May 4, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely get that.

Though if I was a Kings fan, I’d be begging to get that #1 pick to get Griffin. I think Rubio can only help that team so much. Griffin would be a real difference maker for them.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 4, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not a big fan of targeting Rubio in the draft

Rubio is expected to be a top 2 pick in a draft that is considered pretty weak except for the top 2 players. He will probably be a good player, but he won’t come cheap and I am not convinced that he is a good fit.

Rubio seems to be a lot like a rich-man’s Sergio. Obviously Rubio is more talented and his defense should be better than Sergio’s, but Rubio is like Sergio in that both are distributing point guards who dominate the ball but aren’t that good at shooting or scoring. Considering how much better the team does offensively with Blake at the point rather than Sergio, I don’t think that a PG with a game that is similar to Sergio’s would be a good fit for the Blazers. Additionally, Rubio is 18 and is likely a ways away from being able to make a big impact in the NBA. Sure he is great for his age, but he is still a very young player playing in the most difficult position to learn.

If the Blazers go after a PG in the draft, I would rather have them go after Ty Lawson. He should be a lot cheaper and easier to get than Rubio would be. As a 21-year-old who was arguably the best player on this year’s NCAA champion team, Lawson is a more polished player who should be able to contribute immediately. Lawson is closer to being a Blake-style point guard who does not turn the ball over much and can be effective as a catch-and shoot player off the ball. Of course there are still some differences in style between Lawson and Blake: Lawson is quicker, better at penetrating, better at passing, and better at running a fast break.

by trk on May 4, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait

stop right there. Ty Lawson is a teens/20’s pick any other year. I’d rather have darren Collison w/ a 2nd rounder for a 3rd string PG, or Beobouis or de Colo

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 4, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have watched Collison play for 4 years

and this year when called on to be the star, he had a hard time. But he was great when he had westbrook, love, afalo and his stars around him

by svlittle on May 5, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Roy might have been in the teens/20s if he had come out in a different year

Was it a mistake for the Blazers to trade up to get him?

I think that there is a significant drop off in talent between Lawson and Collison. Collison might be good value for a late 1st/early 2nr round pick, but the Blazers don’t have much playing time available to use on developing mediocre prospects. It just makes sense for the Blazers to get the best prospect that they can without giving up any core assets.

by trk on May 4, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

not a good argument

Ty Lawson is not going to be an above average starter in the NBA. He may have OK stats if he plays on a fast team, but he is not going to be special. He can be shot over easily, he cannot see over his defender, and his shot is from way too low and easily blockable.

Roy is a 6"6’ SG with a 40" vertical who had some knee trouble that people were worried about and an unusual style that was undervalued at the time. Now, James Harden looks to make quite a bit of money because of the “crafty SG” prototype Roy has established.

Ty Lawson is fast, and can pass the ball, but in reality he is a poor man’s D.J. Augustin. He’d make a decent backup but he has too many deficiencies in his game to overcome his lack of size. Speed will get you something, but speed alone won’t cut it.

I agree, we don’t have time to develop new players as much. So why not pick an all ready polished player like Collison who can play D, shoot, and run the offense w/o making many mistakes. Kinda like Steve Blake, but on a rookie scale contract.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 4, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio is 18 and is likely a ways away from being able to make a big impact

This is true, and after 3 years of Sergio I’m not sure Nate will want to go down the Rubio road

(This is not to say the two Spaniards are identical players, because clearly Ricky has more game than Sergio, especially on the defensive end. But I think McMillian will object to bringing in another PG for on the job training. It’s time to start rebuilding and add veterans, especially at PG)

by two4larue on May 4, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s time to start rebuilding

should read “It’s time to stop rebuilding”

by two4larue on May 4, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is true, and after 3 years of Sergio I’m not sure Nate will want to go down the Rubio road

If, for some unexpected reason, the acquisition of Rubio presented itself, I have my doubts that Nate would get much of a choice in the matter.

He’s allowed to have his voice heard in personnel matters… but that’s it. He still answers to KP and Paul Allen.

by Timmay! on May 4, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the acquisition of Rubio to present itself

The organization will have to make some tough decisions re: dealing one of the core players, and Nate will make his voice heard in that choicce, as well

“You want to deal Aldridge to move up in the draft and select…Rubio?”

Bridge too far for me

by two4larue on May 4, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I completely agree

I don’t expect this opportunity to present itself without sacrificing too much to make it worthwhile. (I don’t think Nate would need to be the voice of reason here either; KP ain’t dumping a member of the core)

by Timmay! on May 4, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

if we traded up to get Rubio

there is no way that Aldridge would go in the deal. It’s a weak, weak draft.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 4, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is a weak, weak draft... except for Rubio and Blake Griffin

The top 2 picks are still going to be very valuable, even in a weak draft like this. Teams probably aren’t going to give up those picks unless they are offered all-star level talent.

by trk on May 4, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

we wouldn't need to give up core to get Rubio

if someone other than Sacto or OKC is picking 2nd.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on May 4, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve is the guy we need.

Ben’s own thoughts boiled it down to one three point shot Steve didn’t make. Steve’s contribution to this team has been much more than one shot. You may disagree, but if Steve makes that shot we would not be talking about this. Steve has gotten better every year. Jaun Dixon..come now. Without Steve Blake we do not get into the playoffs this year. We need him for next year. The Denver/Detroit trade showed how important a point gaurd is, and how disruptive bringing a new one in can be. There are few piont gaurds I would trade for Steve. He is the perfect player to bring Bayless along just like Joel is the perfect center to bring GO along. I have met Ben. I like Ben. I would trade Ben for Steve in an instant.

I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!

by Kampeska on May 4, 2009 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

We all know what we get with Blake

Blake’s value with this team increases if GO is a better low post scoring option. GO got more touches in the middle of the season and had some big games. After his 2cd injury the Blazers seamed to go away from him. I don’t think you can blame that completely on Blake. I can recall lots of times where the ball was thrown into GO and he threw it right back. He’s simply not comfortable yet.

If we had a better scoring option down low
- Steve’s high % 3 point shooting a real weapon spreading the floor
- Less pressure to break down defenses, throw it into Greg/LA to create double teams/mismatches with good ball movement.

by undutchable on May 4, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Ouch

And I spelled “seamed” incorrectly. This post is becoming like Greg Oden missed dunk.

by undutchable on May 4, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defense?

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on May 4, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ben

this needs to be on the main page.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on May 4, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

hell of an argument, ben.

I thought Blake was a good fit for this last season and would love to see him stay on the roster… but it’s undeniable that the team would benefit from having more at the 1.

But I like to be here. Oh, I like it a lot! Said the Cat in the Hat. To the fish in the pot.

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on May 4, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

If you trade Bayless away

He will come back to destroy us in games.

by rmcdougall on May 4, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Not to mention coming back to haunt us...

…in our very dreams.

There is nowhere to hide from the wrath of B-Rex! Discuss trade proposals for him at your peril.

Coming to a theater near you in October 2009.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on May 4, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Need some alone time with Bayless?
Given his skill set — great first step, aggressive defensive intensity, ability to finish at the rim, Tae-Bo physique — Bayless should be able to succeed as a full-time backup point guard next season.

Also, the point which makes Steve Blake sound like a shameless chucker (Blake shot over 300 three-pointers… that means Aldridge and Oden weren’t getting the ball!) doesn’t hold any weight at all. Good post players need point guards to spread the floor so they have room to operate.

Shaq needed Nick Anderson, Rick Fox and Kobe… Dwight Howard needs Rashard Lewis… Yao has Brooks and Battier… You can’t just dribble the ball down the floor and rush it into the paint and expect success (although I would point out that Steve Blake did effectively initiate a low-post oriented offense when the Blazers had Zach Randolph).

How’s Bayless’ shooting percentage from beyond the arc? If Bayless’ man gives him 15 feet of space, is that going to hinder Greg Oden’s develop moreso than if Blake were there drawing out the defense? Not to mention, how many more games do we lose if our starting point guard (Bayless) and starting center (Oden) wind up picking up a foul per minute?

Steve Blake has MANY, MANY faults, but it seems like this article would’ve been better served if it outlined his strengths within the Blazers’ offensive and defensive scheme, then addressed weaknesses as a bridge to the possibility that someone else may be a more perfect fit.

If nothing else, save the man-crush for the skinemax hour because Bayless wasn’t the option now and likely won’t be the option next year.

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on May 4, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

What

There is a lot of misguided anger and nonsensical rage coming out of the arguments in that link. You can’t deride your best 3 point shooter for attempting to shoot. How many did Travis Outlaw take? Also, it’s not his job to shepherd the young bigs into becoming beasts, they have to do that themselves and demand the ball by proving their ability. It’s not Blake’s fault Oden can’t keep himself in a game no matter who the opponent is, and that he has no offensive moves other than back down and dunk it. Blake simply contributed what he did in the season, he didn’t choke or melt down in such a way that it made Portland a bad playoff team. I think he was a much smaller part of why the Blazers didn’t advance that what that is suggesting.

I’m a Blake fan, but I do agree he probably fits this team better in a backup role. I do think he’s a capable starter though, who could be better in a system with more transition offense and running.

by runningdonut on May 4, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I wonder if Ben will get pixs of Steve's kicks after that article...

man I wouldn’t feel too comfy having to cross Blake in the hallway after that attack… ouch!

Kudos for Ben saying what he thinks… not much candy coating!

by QuebecBlzrFan on May 4, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

There was some serious Bayless homerism in that post Ben...

I think you missed the mark on this one. Blake is certainly upgradable, but its not like our team will forever be stuck in the 1st round until we trade him. When Bayless is good enough to deserve run, he will get it. No need to sacrifice everyone that stands in his way. I am with you that an upgrade is very desirable, but one more year with Blake is not going to seriously stunt this teams growth.

BTW. the argument about Blake taking 328 shots that should have been going to Greg and LMA is totally silly. LMA and Oden need Blake to knock down 3’s to stretch the D and give them room to operate. You want to stunt LMA and Greg’s growth? Play Bayless at point guard…

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on May 4, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm gonna chime in for the heck of it.

I think Blakes 3’s versus GO’s / LMA’s “shots” isn’t fair to Blake either.

That said, I would LOVE to see some more emphasis on interior passing with this team.

I do not Blame Blake for this. The coach has to specify to run those types of plays.

It is obvious to me that there is not emphasis in the offense for this (yet?)

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by G_dubs on May 5, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

ben just don't like blake cuz ben's a member of the black panthers, and is racist against all

white dudes in the nba ;)

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by faith on May 5, 2009 6:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Webster is the shooter next year

This year we survived with one shooter in the starting line up, and that was Blake. He did do a great job stretching the other teams D, but can’t Webster do that next year? People talked about how well Houston closed out on the Blazer’s shooters. If we can have Roy drive and dish, shift the defense and then get a second penetration from the person who ends up with the ball on the other end while the defense is recovering, that close out needs to be a heckuva lot better than just a hand in the face. With Webster back and Rudy coming off the bench Blake needs something besides his shot to make him worth keeping.

by lawgdawg12 on May 5, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Webster is the shooter next year

This year we survived with one shooter in the starting line up, and that was Blake. He did do a great job stretching the other teams D, but can’t Webster do that next year? People talked about how well Houston closed out on the Blazer’s shooters. If we can have Roy drive and dish, shift the defense and then get a second penetration from the person who ends up with the ball on the other end while the defense is recovering, that close out needs to be a heckuva lot better than just a hand in the face. With Webster back and Rudy coming off the bench Blake needs something besides his shot to make him worth keeping.

by lawgdawg12 on May 5, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Webster is the shooter next year

This year we survived with one shooter in the starting line up, and that was Blake. He did do a great job stretching the other teams D, but can’t Webster do that next year? People talked about how well Houston closed out on the Blazer’s shooters. If we can have Roy drive and dish, shift the defense and then get a second penetration from the person who ends up with the ball on the other end while the defense is recovering, that close out needs to be a heckuva lot better than just a hand in the face. With Webster back and Rudy coming off the bench Blake needs something besides his shot to make him worth keeping.

by lawgdawg12 on May 5, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm curious

do you think Webster is the shooter next year?

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by Idog1976 on May 5, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with a lot of what Ben said

But I guess thats why there are forums like this. If everyone agreed, it wouldn’t be any fun to talk about it.

Basically, I think Ben is undervaluing a PG that can spread the floor. Basketball players at different positions need complimentary skillsets in order to help other players work more effectively with their given skillsets. A driving, slashing pointguard clogs the middle for Roy, making his life harder. A PG that can spread the floor (42% 3-point percentage!) opens up the lane tremendously.

But then again, I do see the upside for both types of PGs. So who knows.

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by Arby on May 5, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't see penetrating vs long-range threat as mutually exclusive

I think we are missing the element of penetration from our current PG…if Blake could develop a formidable penetration game he would resolve any doubts we have about him being our PG of the future.
Given his history and lack of athleticism around the basket it doesn’t look like he’ll ever develop that aspect to his game.
We need a PG that can provide both the threat of the three AND the threat of penetration. Blake has and will only have one of these threats.

I didn't mean to turn you on

by dukedee on May 5, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

They aren’t mutually exclusive, but the problem is finding someone who can effectively do both. Very few players have that ability in the body of a point guard. We’re talking about players like Chauncey Billups or Steve Nash.

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by Arby on May 5, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that I am more comfortable with Steve than I ever have been.

I like Martell becoming the object of much defensive focus. I like the idea of Greg becoming a huge problem for opposing defenses next year. I think both of those things are givens.

I think Brandon, Rudy, Nic and LaMarcus will all be continue to develop into bigger offensive threats next year as well.

With defenses having so much more to worry about next year at these other four spots, all we need is a solid 3 point threat from the PG spot across court from Martell with Brandon up top and LaMarcus and Greg in the paint.

Who will opponents cheat off of? I feel sorry for teams having to play all five of those guys straight up. But only a little. I’ll still watch.

Steve, Brandon, Martell, LaMarcus and Greg.

Then Rudy, Joel, Nic, a FA BIG and a bit of Jerryd off the bench.

60 wins + WCFs.

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by Ojala John on May 5, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

As a member of the Cult of Rex, heee's my sentiments...

1. Sergio must move.

2. Target Hinrich in a trade which involves Blake and Outlaw. If that is undoable, live with Blake.

3. Rex is the backup in 2009-10, with anticipation that he is a future starter. Don’t play him 30 seconds as anything other than a point guard. He is a point guard.

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by timbo on May 6, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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