What Happened to Portland's Offense In the Playoffs? Help me add Observations to Explain the Ugly Numbers.
We've all heard it and talked about it nearly ad nauseum. Depending on which stat geek's numbers you look at, Portland had either the #1 or the #2 offense in the NBA this year. Defense was the primary issue with the Blazers all year long.
As we've discussed, offensive rebounding and Brandon Roy's 1v1 brilliance were both big parts of that. During the season, a number of posters expressed the concern that this made Portland's offense less bankable for the playoffs. I was skeptical. I expected our offense to be just fine in the playoffs.
It wasn't.
Houston made one of the NBA's most efficient offenses look like its one of its worst. According to John Hollinger, Portland averaged 103.0 points per 100 possessions in the playoffs, down from 110.7 in the regular season. The 103.0 mark was good for 9th best in the playoffs, and would have ranked the Blazers 23rd in the regular season. *aside: Houston's playoff efficiency was 106.3, compared to their regular season mark of 105.4, so while Portland's D didn't get killed, they did allow the Rockets to do better than their season average, though the D was a lot better after game 1.*
So, now we have to ask ourselves what happened to the Blazer offense. Of course, we expect the effeiciency to drop against the Rockets, who sported the league's 4th best defense this year... but should it have dropped as far as it did? Is the Blazer offense not built for the playoffs? Was Houston just a really bad matchup? Did the players just not produce? All of the above?
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Going a little deeper, we can look at Portland's offensive "4 factors" for the regular season and the playoffs (thanks Royster)
eFG%: .511 to .484
TOV%: .125 to .120
ORb%: .326 to .237
FTA/FGA: .234 to .201
The first thing that jumps out here is that Portland's offensive rebound rate dropped by nearly 30%. Looking at the 2 late regular season games Portland played in Houston (the Rockets were a totally different team with TMac in the early season Blazer win), the Blazers O-reb rate was .241, so here it appears that the matchup limited Portland's offensive rebounding advantage-- the Rockets are a good defensive rebounding team.
As far as efg% goes, Portland's efg% in those two late season games vs. Houston was 0.481, again very similar to the playoff numbers. Yet again, we appear to be looking at something matchup dependent rather than playoff dependent. Small sample size caveats apply to any numbers here-- we're dealing with 2 regular season games and 6 playoff games.
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What about individual players? I'll just point out a few notable things.
Brandon Roy was outstanding in the playoffs, accumulating a PER of over 26 (two points higher than his regular season mark), good for 8th in the playoffs. He scored the ball nearly as effeciently as he did in the regular season, which is remarkable given the defenders he was facing. Notable, however, is that his usage rate climbed from 27.5 in the regular season to 33.1 in the playoffs-- Portland relied on him even more. Despite this, Roy saw his assist rate cut by about 40%. In those two late season games against Houston, Roy had 5 and 6 assists. In the playoffs, Roy reached the 5 assist plateau just once, in game 4. Help me out-- was this primarily due to Roy passing less or teammates just missing shots?
By far the most striking difference in a player's true shooting % numbers from regular season to the playoffs was Travis Outlaw's .379 mark, compared to .541 in the regular season.
Greg Oden's rebound rate was 15% lower than in the regular season. Joel Przybilla's was 25% lower. LaMarcus Aldridge's was 5% lower. I think we can all agree that Houston winning the rebound battle was a huge factor in the series.
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Collecting a few opinions:
Kevin "KP2" Pelton answered my question in one of his chats:
Jacob (CA): Kevin, what's your diagnosis for Portland's awful offensive showing in these playoffs? Too much 1v1 play? Relying on offensive rebounding too much? Just a great job by Houston? Where does Portland go from here?
Kevin Pelton (Basketball): The thing is, the Blazers' offense should in theory be much easier to translate into the playoffs than teams that rely on transition offense or something like that. That was the premise of a piece I wrote for Sports Northwest Magazine earlier this year. Dependence on outside shooting did make them somewhat vulnerable, but end games in the playoffs are all about 1-on-1 play (as one person remarked during Boston-Chicago Game 5, "We play a team game for six months. Then it's all about the individuals in the playoffs."), so ... . I think a lot of the credit has to go to the Rockets, who made the Blazers really like discombobulated at times in the series.
John Hollinger touched on this in his insider gems piece on May 1. Since its insider, I won't paste the whole thing (link here), but here's an exerpt:
Portland's elimination in the first round was a disappointment to anyone who saw how well they played in the regular season, and what stood out was the total no-show by the Blazers' secondary players.
Throughout the season, Portland leaned on Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge, just as they did in the playoffs. But the Blazers also got a lot of production from players like Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake, Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla, Nicolas Batum and Greg Oden -- production that completely dried up against Houston.
There's a need for more players who can get their own shot instead of having Roy get it for them.
Jksnake99's two cents: I still feel Portland's offense is excellent, albeit far from perfect. Against most playoff opponents, defense still would have been our biggest concern. However, against teams like Houston-- teams that don't have to double team Roy and have the horses to limit Aldridge and neutralize Portland's rebound advantage, the Blazers are still vulnerable. Possible solutions include running more, establishing Oden as a legit option, or getting someone else who can create his own shot (Outlaw wasn't that guy in these playoffs-- could Rudy be that guy next year?). I do think this series was still very winnable, despite the clear matchup problems presented by Houston-- the Blazers needed a better effort on the glass, more consistent production from Aldridge and a lot more out of Outlaw. Rudy shot the ball well, but his ast/to ratio (better than 1 during the regular season) was a woeful 0.32-- that didn't help either. There was plenty of blame to go around.
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Your turn:
- What happened to Portland's Offense?
- Why did Roy's ast % drop so much?
- How was Houston able to neutralize Portland's offensive rebounding? Would this have happened against a different matchup?
- What needs to change against teams like Houston?
- What needs to change in general?
- Other thoughts?
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go ahead and pat yourself on the back
BE all summer long
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by northwestj on May 4, 2009 1:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, now that I've read the thing
Dave mentioned Offensive Rebounding in his latest post, too. We won in the regular sreason because we could get offensive rebounds. Looking at the Houston series, they really seemed to take that away from us, and we looked flat without it. I hope it doesn’t mean we’ve become a one-trick-pony.
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by northwestj on May 4, 2009 1:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you hit on the key thing, they took what we do well away from us.
Houston, beside being an excellent defensive team and a tough matchup player wise, were more adept at making adjustments. I think it is because of their experience, style and coaching.
They are used to making plans to stop other teams, that is what they do. They had the personnel to carry out the plan (if they had smaller, slower, weaker players it might would have been tough to implement a good plan). A series is easier for carrying out defensive plans since you see the opponent so often and get to know them so well and it stays fresh in your mind.
The sample size is small Jake and is really biased because of the first game blowout where the Blazers just weren’t in it at all. It would be interesting to see the stats from the last 5 games only. I still think it would show that our O was to easy for them to plan for.
I don’t think this would have been as big a problem against NO, SA or even Utah because they would have a harder time taking away the rebounds and don’t have the kind of depth and defensive intensity that Houston provide. Houston was a tough matchup no doubt but you face who you face and that’s part of most sports, had we played one of the three teams I mention I think we likely would have overcome our short comings to win the first series.
Hopefully we will have learned a lot to be an even better team next year. I think our offense needs to develop as much as our defense.
Stats are indicators and give us a convenient measurable way to gauge a team but they can be so misleading. Stats gurus may love definitive statements like saying points differentials are the best predictor of team rankings but sports are not so orderly as to follow trends and averages… they depend on other less measurable factors too.
I think that Dave does a very good job of using stats as indicators but he also uses his intuition and observations to add depth to the stats. His analysis of our playoff hopes as the season wound down were spot on. He said that we would have a tough time against any playoff team and then when we were finally set to play Houston he pointed out why it would be tough to win and he was right.
by QuebecBlzrFan on May 4, 2009 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
I want to do more but I have to work tomorrow.
I will say this. I think Oden is the answer. Whether it will be a positive one or a negative one depends on what he does this summer. If he is out on the floor posing a serious threat to post up and pound the ball inside, defenses, even Houston’s, will have to adjust and that will help Roy and Aldridge tremendously. I think that is what was missing not only in the playoffs but on the road against the good teams. The third option can’t be a jump shooter when your legs are road weary, or 84 games weary. God bless Joel, but he just is not that threat. He can do a lot for the team but he is not a low post scorer.
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by tssbro on May 4, 2009 1:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When Oden was active during this series we were at our best
The question is: who or what is Greg Oden really?
Hope the answer is ‘a monster’ and we see it next season
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by leeroyjenkins on May 4, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you look at the stats
all of the players shot near their season averages, except Travis, so I do not think that Roy was not getting help from his teammates.
Looking back at some of the clips, you see little movement by anybody when Roy has the ball, so when he goes into the lane and draws a 3x team, nobody is in a good position for a pass for a good shot. SOOOOO many times I saw Brandon isolated in the middle of the lane, Yao in front Scola/Battier/Artest on each side and Roy has to put up a jumpshot or pass out to the perimeter where all of our players were thinking instead of just letting it go.
So many times I was screaming at the TV, saying “MOVE OR SHOOT IT” Instead I say a lot of dribbling around for 20 secs and then a 18 foot contested jumper.
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by SpyderRyder on May 4, 2009 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It is clear cut to me
1. We didn’t rebound nearly as well against Houston
2. Houston plays smothering defense.
In summary: We played against The Houston Rockets for 6 games.
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
by sixth on May 4, 2009 2:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I admit, I may have overstated the "gimmicky-ness"
of our high reliance on offensive rebounding, but I really think that’s what takes of from being a slightly above average offense to being the best one in the league. This will affect so much from our end, not only by increasing the number of shots, but by increasing the percentage with easy put backs (I don’t know if the data exists, but I’d really like to know what the difference in eFG% is for second shots vs. first shots).
Looking back, it’s foolish to pin our entire defensive ineptitude against Houston on this, obviously Trout turned out to be completely unable to score against an elite defender (same thing happened to Peja last year with Bowen) had a huge effect, as did the rockets ability to play Roy and LaMarcus straight up for the most part, but what concerns me still is that offensive rebounding is a relatively easy thing to neutralize in the playoffs. Especially since we’re not getting rebounds by committing a bunch of guys forward, but by having one or two really good rebounders on the glass. It’s not hard for a committed team to emphasize getting defensive boards and boxing out, and taking that almost completely out of our game.
It’s just like Phoenix, GS, or Denver of the past two years. Things work well in the regular season because you aren’t as focused on shutting down your opponent for each night, but playing your game instead, so teams that succeed unconventionally can blitz teams then, but once they get in the playoffs it becomes painstakingly clear that it’s just not that hard for a well-coached team to prevent them from playing their game.
I don’t think we’re nearly as far down that road as those teams are, but it’s concern of mine. Watching the games, it certainly doesn’t seem as if we get that many great shots (at least not enough to be considered the best offense in the league), and yet, there we are.
Of course, this may all be wrong. Maybe if Houston has to double Roy more, it opens up the glass as big men rotate to him. Maybe if LA could have gotten something in the post against Scola our centers would have been able to rebound better with Yao distracted. I can’t say for sure, but I’m definitely in the camp of “our offense is definitely not the best in the league, and there’s significant room for improvement”.
by Royster on May 4, 2009 6:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The passing sucked.
The games Portland won in this series involved a lot of quick, crisp passing and confident decision making. The games they lost were full of tentative decision making and slow feet. I complained about the referees after game 1 a little bit, but after seeing how much better they moved the ball in game 2 I was forced to change my tune.
Ball movement = better shots
Better shots = off balance defense
Off balance defense = better rebounding opportunities
Better rebounding opportunities = more good shots
It kind of reminds me of game 7 in the 2000 WCF. Every trip down the floor, Portland was dumping it into ’Sheed. Sheed would take a turnaround fadeaway (a shot he normally hits), miss it, and there would be nobody there to rebound. Over and over and over and over until the meanies finally caught up and won the game. This was a little different then that but the result was ultimately the same.
I am uncertain how much of the poor passing was Portland resting on their laurels or Houston’s tenacious D, but I suspect it was a little of both. IMO.
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by shenanigans on May 4, 2009 6:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Poor ball movement has been a slippery slope for Portland all season
When the wheels start to fall off for Portland’s offense, the ball moves less and less. At that point, normally, Brandon and Travis and Lamarcus try to take over individually, and the results vary widely.
With Travis, especially, this is almost always a bad idea. When Trout takes good shots within the flow of the offense, he’s a weapon. When he forces up shots because the Blazers are struggling and he thinks they need a bucket from him, he probably shoots about 5%. When things are really stagnating, you can normally depend on Trout for at least two or three off balance, off the dribble, 23-foot two point jumpers with no prayer of finding nylon.
Lamarcus also plays much better when the ball is moving crisply and often struggles when things stagnate. You’ll see him hold the ball for two seconds THEN fire up 22-foot jumpers, which are only slightly more likely to find their way home than Trout’s typical prayers. You’ll see him REALLY force the action one-on-one, give the defense three or four seconds to set up for him, and then barrel into his man and force up an awkward individual shot under the guise of being aggressive.
Brandon, obviously, is much more successful at forcing the action individually, but the problem when he does this is the effect it sometimes has on the other guys. Brandon is able to score consistently one on one. Nobody else on the team is, though. So when things start to stagnate, and Brandon plays one on one ball, his efficiency stays high, but Lamarcus and Travis and everybody else suffer greatly.
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by KP Corleone on May 4, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebounding plain and simple
We weren’t our normal selves on the offensive boards. Not because of effort however, but due to Houston being able to effectively block out. How were they able to do this? As Jksnake stated, they didn’t have to double team us much so they could easily find their man to put a body on them. I watched Oden try to get offensive rebounds and to my naked eye I totally thought his effort was exactly the same as during the regular season. The difference was Yao put a BIG body on Greg and he couldn’t get around him nor jump over him for tips which he did quite frequently during the regular season. Two more of these a game and it definitely could have changed game 4 and maybe game 3.
Houston had the length to bother our shooters and play a sound team defensive game. They contest all shots (although not blocking many). Nothing came easy for us.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on May 4, 2009 6:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not only were we not ourselves on the offensive boards
but we weren’t ourselves because of the lack of offensive boards.
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by northwestj on May 4, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems right.
Not only are they long but they are long, strong and committed to defense. I think that had Mutombo not been injured that they may have been able to win even more comfortably too because of his ability to defend, to rebound and to keep Ming fresher.
I wonder how we adjust to all of this without being too specific for a team like Houston. Next year we might not be matched up against such good defensive team but we still need to be able to get by them if we are.
by QuebecBlzrFan on May 4, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Combo of Houston's D and Portland's lack of movement
Portland’s players don’t move w/o the ball particularly well and frankly Nate’s offense doesn’t call for them too. As many others have stated our late game offense consists of Brandon Roy doing things. That’s pretty easy to defend, especially for a good defensive team like the Rockets.
It didn’t help that the bit players didn’t show up at all. Then again, why didn’t we expect a team with pretty inconsistent role players to suddenly put it together in the playoffs?
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by leeroyjenkins on May 4, 2009 7:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very good post.
You bring up great questions at the end too which should promote discussions!
by QuebecBlzrFan on May 4, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Joel dropping passes
I love Joel, I’m not ashamed to say it. I do remember, however, several times when passes to him were dropped right under the basket toward the beginning of games. He’s gotten a lot better at offense this year, but it seemed like after a few dropped passes we stopped looking to him as an offensive bailout when brandon was in the lane and smothered.
Oden’s hands did not look as good in the playoffs as they usually do, but I think he has great hands. When he is fully integrated in to the offense that will make a big difference. I am dying to see our guards and Lma really look to him as an option when they are doubled or tripled. That alone will change things for our offense, and will prevent the opposing center from leaving his man so much.
by twggyy on May 4, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's one theory: when you spend 40 minutes a night fronting Yao Ming on one end of the floor and fighting him on the other, you are not going to get as many rebounds...
Greg Oden’s rebound rate was 15% lower than in the regular season. Joel Przybilla’s was 25% lower. LaMarcus Aldridge’s was 5% lower. I think we can all agree that Houston winning the rebound battle was a huge factor in the series.
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by timbo on May 4, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+92
This was my sense as well. Most of it resulted from the match up issues created by having to deal with Yao. Artest and Battier were issues …but Brandon overcame them for the most part. But the whole Yao thing was crushing
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by 92wastheyear on May 4, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fronting Yao can explain less D rebounds
But we still didn’t get offensive rebounds.
by Zaig on May 4, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's hypothesizing
that Greg and Joel were tired from fighting Yao, having less energy to grab o-reebs on the other end.
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by Cablinasian on May 4, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TIRED is what it's all about. Quick had a little glimpse of Pryz crashing after a 30 minute stint in one of his pieces...
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by timbo on May 4, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Not to mention Roy and sometimes Outlaw would drive to the basket then kick out to an open Blake for three and Yao cut back on a lot of the drives to the basket.
Upon reflection, I think getting knocked out by Houston was the best thing for this team. It showed Oden and Przy what they have to do to dominate the paint, and even though I like the Blazers chances against LA, it was one less playoff series where the Blazers got bounced by LA.
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by tominhawaii on May 4, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
plus, some young teams that made big strides in the playoffs didn’t fare well the next season. New Orleans this year is a good example, though Chandler’s injury is partly to blame for their regression. Even when healthy early in the year, he wasn’t as good as last year.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on May 4, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough playmaking.
Most of our scorers are finishers, not creators. Roy is the only one who can consistently create his own shot; LMA and Trout can occasionally but rely a fair bit on other guys creating creases in the defense.
I used to think that Roy’s playmaking was enough, and a Derek Fisher-type spot up shooter and defender would be a fine backcourt mate for Roy, but I’m pretty convinced otherwise now. We need more playmaking in the offense, and another guy who triggers the offense. Roy can and should be the triggerman frequently, but he needs to be the finisher sometimes. Even LeBron has improved by being able to switch role to the finisher instead of the initiator this season; Roy also needs these changes of pace.
That said, I think it was a mistake not to play Sergio meaningful minutes. He’s the best playmaker we have. I understand that Nate’s worried about his mistakes and his defense, but I think not having him to initiate the offense for Rudy and Trout diminished their effectiveness pretty significantly.
by howlingfantods on May 4, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree. I thought the lack of a second playmaker, or even a third go-to scorer, was a serious problem against a top notch defense like the Rockets.
by NBR on May 4, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you answered your own question
Despite this, Roy saw his assist rate cut by about 40%. In those two late season games against Houston, Roy had 5 and 6 assists. In the playoffs, Roy reached the 5 assist plateau just once, in game 4. Help me out— was this primarily due to Roy passing less or teammates just missing shots?
By far the most striking difference in a player’s true shooting % numbers from regular season to the playoffs was Travis Outlaw’s .379 mark, compared to .541 in the regular season.
by cloudydays on May 4, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden's foul trouble a contributing factor
It’s certainly not enough to explain everything, but Oden didn’t get many put back dunks against Houston, in part because he didn’t get a lot of minutes against scrub centers.
Chuck Hayes also did a nice job on Oden.
Others: Houston’s help on Roy came from Yao in the paint instead of wing help. The Blazers were not able to punish Yao for helping on Roy the way they punish wing defenders for punishing Roy.
Outlaw just had a rough series.
As others side, Yao nullified our best offensive rebounders and that was huge.
by PoliSam on May 4, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Jaynes has had some really good post season analysis
Sorry for the super long quote, but I think this is all relevant and dead-on. We’ve got to learn better team offense (and team defense, but that’s another story).
http://www.dwightjaynes.com/the-trail-blazer-postmortem-begins-after-an-ugly-season-ender
Prior to the opening of this series, I had a chance to talk to a few NBA scouts who had prepared for the possibility of playing Portland in the first round. The only promise was that I couldn’t quote them directly or give any hints as to the teams they worked for. Most of them didn’t want their stuff printed until after the first-round series was finished.
I can tell you the one thing that stood out from what all of them told me – Portland is very easy to prepare for. The reason: "They run so many isolations."
One scout said, "It’s really just about all they do — particularly in the fourth quarter. You know how they play, everybody does. They’re going to give Brandon Roy the ball at the top and just stand back and watch him play. They may run a little screen for him, but it’s window dressing — he’s going to try to take you."
Well, he’s pretty good at that — what’s wrong with Brandon going one-on-one?
"Nothing, once in a while," one scout said. "But he’s not going to go one-on-one against Houston in the playoffs. He’s going to go one-on-five. They just won’t let him get to the basket. They’re going to lock him up."
Said another scout, "What he’s done a lot of this season is go left. That’s fine, but he tends to put his head down, head to the basket and jump into somebody, expecting a foul call. He isn’t going to pass, he’s going to go hard to the basket, looking for a whistle. In the playoffs, you don’t always get that call."
I think those assessments were on the money, particularly in the Game 4 situation at the end of the game that may have decided this series. And it’s not unlike what we’ve been writing all season. The fact is, people talked all the time prior to the series about Houston having two players — Ron Artest and Shane Battier — who could defend Roy. Fact is, neither did much of a job. Artest, in particular, was easy meat for Roy all the time. Problem for Brandon, though, is that there were always two or three other guys standing there ready for him after he beat Artest off the dribble. That’s called "team defense" — a concept the Trail Blazers themselves have not entirely embraced yet.
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by dan_the_man on May 4, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One specific thing I'd like to see though, are more low pick & rolls with Greg
There were a couple in this series, and it made him look like a giant, unstoppable beast when he threw down those dunks.
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by dan_the_man on May 4, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is interesting is that Kevin Pelton's take is pretty much the exact opposite-- the playoffs are all about 1v1 play.
by jksnake99 on May 4, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Pelton says, "end games in the playoffs are all about 1-on-1 play"
Does he mean playoff games in general, or plays toward the end of those games?
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by dan_the_man on May 4, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can both be right
Like Dan just stated, KP2’s assertion was about “the end game” not the entire game. 1v1 play is hardly what defines the playoffs, with countless examples of better team play beating teams with stagnant offenses built around a full game of 1v1 play (2004 Pistons over Lakers, 2005 and 2006 Lakers losing to the Suns, 2007 Spurs dismantling the Cavs, 2008 Celtics over Lakers).
Without a varied offense to carry you to that end game, you’re not going to get there, and we were basically out of it by crunch time in three of our four losses (game 4 being the exception). Game 6 was especially bad on that front.
It really seemed whatever ball movement we had in our offense during the regular season just died in the playoffs. Nic barely touched the ball, and any player that needed to touch the ball beyond a catch and shoot to contribute basically didn’t see the floor. Sergio actually put in a decent shift in the first half of game 4 with a couple of assists and keeping the rockets D on their heels, I believe, but he just never really had a chance all series. I don’’t mind the guy as much as some here, but there’s just no conceivable way that Steve Blake should be playing 40 mpg in non-overtime games.
by Royster on May 4, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think Jaynes talked to NBA scouts?
I think he talked to cub scouts, that is why his analysis is flawed.
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by tominhawaii on May 4, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think he's making that up? Exagerrating?
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by dan_the_man on May 4, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that he embellished
He probably spoke to one guy and ran with it. I never read Jaynes or Canzano so I’m just speculating. I’m sure Jaynes has a couple of connections from when he was a reporter, but he hasn’t been a reporter in 20 years. In the last 20 years, all he did was complain and say “I told you so.” I really doubt he has legit connections. Just reading the first paragraph of what you posted makes it sound shady.
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by tominhawaii on May 4, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 years?
Didn’t he just leave the Tribune about a year ago? And I don’t think it was more than 10 years ago that he left the Oregonian. I disagree with a lot of what he says, and there’s no denying that he’s an old curmudgeon, but he was a reporter for a long time, and I don’t question his reporting ethics.
While he’s not afraid to say, “I told you so,” he said all year that our biggest problem on offense was not getting inside enough. Most people seem to agree that teams that rely too heavily on jump shots don’t do well in the playoffs. When our shooting was cold against Houston, we couldn’t get inside, so we kept throwing up shots that wouldn’t go in. Houston knew that would be our response, and they exploited it.
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by dan_the_man on May 4, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking about how long he's been employed
I’m just saying he quit reporting and just started complaining about 20 years ago. Look at all the old guys on PTI, they all did it. Once the hip hop generation hit the NBA all the old reporters stopped connecting with the players and started complaining.
You know, upon reflection, I think it’s people like Dwight Jaynes who killed the newspaper business. (Stealing a little Bill Simmons here but blaming every paper in America’s failure on Jaynes.) When readers had a choice of reading Blazers Edge or paying for a paper from Jaynes, they chose to come to Blazers Edge because it gave the fans what they wanted (insightful analysis), not ranting from some old curmudgeon.
" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy
by tominhawaii on May 4, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Trib is free...
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 4, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's killing mother earth by destroying trees
" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy
by tominhawaii on May 5, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only on the web now
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on May 5, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At elast they stopped stocking it in the neighborhoods I hang out in
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on May 5, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly don't always agree with Jaynes
but at the same time the guy has been around the league for a jillion years, and sometimes he is at least somewhat on point.
It’s kind of like talking with my Dad, rest his soul. I thought he was an old curmudgeon a lot of the time too, but I’ll be danged if sometimes he’d have a point…
In this case his “observations / reporting” agreee with what I saw.
Just sayin.
But sure feel free to keep hating on Jayenes. I don’t think he cares ;-p
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on May 5, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Jaynes like some folks here hate Outlaw
I am currently building a cyborg made of Play-Doh and working on a time machine made of Lego’s to send back the cyborg to kill Jayne’s mother before he was born. I read on Behind the Blazers Edge beat that some folks here are working on a time machine and cyborg to go after Outlaw’s mother in 1983. My cyborg has to go back to 1888.
" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy
by tominhawaii on May 5, 2009 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of them has an accurate assessment of what actually happened in the series against Houston...
the other has a general theory and is confused by his inability to apply it. Let me guess, Kevin Pelton is a statistician…;)
It’s just like DJ describes: playing the Blazers in the playoffs is like cherry-picking. At least until Greg gets his training wheels off. Our offense is too one dimensional.
Excellent post by the way, jk.
by Blazin' on May 5, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for this quote and comment.
It’s validating to hear some “expert” observing what I observe: I don’t get our offense.
I like Houston because they play team ball on both ends of the court. Confuses the media who like to see everything cast in terms of superstars. But basketball is a team game, even in the NBA. And i think that and toughness will get you far in the playoffs.
by Blazin' on May 5, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Houston play more team offense than the Blazers?
It seems to me that they have 4 plays: dump it in to Yao, let Brooks penetrate, let Artest improvise and run a pick and pop with their PG and Yao.
Sure, they’ll find the open man— Scola up top or Battier in the corner— if you try to double Yao, but its not like they are running any sort of complex sets.
by jksnake99 on May 5, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think they made 2 consecutive passes pretty regularly.
which was rare for the Blazers. And they have diversified scoring. Their offense didn’t “feel” so one dimensional. Of course that might have had something to do with our defense as well.
But to answer your question, Yes.
by Blazin' on May 5, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is TOV%
My guess is Turn Over Velocity and I Googled it and it’s: The Temple of VTEC
" i wish you were my dad :)" - In Walks Rudy
by tominhawaii on May 4, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
turnover %
the percentage of team possessions ending in a turnover.
by jksnake99 on May 4, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy just wasn't passing the ball much
When the the Blazers start to struggle a little on offense, they have a tendency to rive the ball to Roy (and to a lesser extent Aldridge and Outlaw) and he will try to carry the team with scoring. Roy could have gotten as many assists as he does in the regular season if he had the right mindset, but he seemed convinced that it was his job to do all the scoring and he passed up a bunch of chances to set up open teammates. As a result, ball movement decreased and the team’s role players were less productive than normal.
If that were the only problem, the Blazers still would have been OK. I don’t like having them rely on Roy’s scoring that much on offense, but Roy is a good enough player that they can get away with it. What really killed the Blazers is that they did not get offensive rebounds at anywhere near the rate that they usually do.
by trk on May 4, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Several things in combination
Too much trying to do it on your own. Lack of ball movement and anyone not named Roy or Aldridge failing to move once they got the ball. We need someone else who can facilitate. One of the reasons why Cleveland is so good is because they have three or more people of the floor that can facilitate shots for others or take it themselves. That puts a lot of pressure on the defense. Not a consistent third option. Outlaw is too streaky. Lack of playoff experience is more noticeable in roll players than your stars. I think some of this will be cured through maturation, but a consistent third option who could facilitate would help out a lot. I mean if LaMarcus and Greg had the high low game going or Rudy/Oden pick and roll. Maybe I’m full of it but I think the roll players just need to be better.
And people say Steve Blake isn’t tough.
by Thadius on May 4, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you some subjective observations:
1. Travis was scared to the state he could not excrete, let alone hit a bucket.
2. The series was lost in the first game, although we did not know it at the time.
3. Blazers are a jump shooting team. When those go down, they look unstoppable. When those don’t go down, you have game 6.
4. Channing Frye needs to be on another team.
5. Two words: Jerryd Bayless. Maybe next year he’ll be ready…
6. LMA played the first 4 games like he was a Channing Frye impersonator and suddenly remembered that quality PFs play low in games 5 and 6. The first four games were yucksville…
7. Steve Blake is Mike Barrett’s buddy, but I really don’t think he’s the dude. The Blazers, two years in a row, have run the break like a pack of Eric Cartmans trying to compete with Special Olympians. It’s time to place the blame where it lies… The Rockets are a team that can be beat by RUNNING, which is why the Blazers are a piss-poor matchup with them.
8. Nate has never been an offensive guru. The pick and pop has been done before, but the Blazers seem to think it’s a really swell offensive plan. In fact, it is plans A, B, and C for them…
Well, that will get you started — now I’ll stop before I get started…
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on May 4, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like your bullets
I will summarize that we were exposed as the nice little jump shooting team Barkley (ack) says we are, by a well coached team of veterans.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on May 4, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur
rec
I miss Martell. Come back soon!
by mannyfresh1 on May 4, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with a bunch of this
Points 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6 are solid. And that was too much info about Travis.
Portland is not just a jump shooting team, although that is an important part of their offense. If any team is going to knock down all their jumpers, they’re going to look really good. The problem with this series was the way the Blazers got their jumpers.
They were slow to bring the ball up the court, usually when Brandon was bringing it up. Once they got into their offense, there was very little movement by comparison to the rest of the season. Portland may have looked like a jump shooting team in this series, but I chalk that up to a couple of factors.
1. LaMarcus in fadeaway mode is nowhere near as useful as LaMarcus in beast mode.
2. This series everyone seemed REALLY CONTENT to watch Brandon work. While that may be fun, it doesn’t help the offense.
3. With everyone watching Brandon, there was no player or ball movement. This made it so easy for Houston to seal the middle and get the rebound.
Somebody cuts to the hoop while Brandon drives. Rebound. Portland swings the ball around while Houston scrambles to recover. Rebound. That was the strength of this team all year and they abandoned it in favor of watching their best player.
All year Brandon has been a good stabilizing influence when the wheels start to come off of the offense. I haven’t seen him have to stabilize like this for so long all year, and it’s not good for the team.
You can say that Portland is a jump shooting team and that is why they lost, but that is an oversimplification that ignores the accomplishments of this team during the regular season.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on May 5, 2009 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just it. We're not talking about the regular season.
Playoffs are another animal. You don’t seem to disagree with 7 either. And yes Charles point is an oversimplification, and yes I also agree that there was to much standing around watching Brandon. That all said, Portland in this series settled for a lot of jumpers and weren’t able to adjust adequately, regular season notwithstanding. Even your 1 bullets agrees with this in my mind. I consider LMA’s fall aways part of the same issue. Houston is also a good defensive team. So are other teams in the Playoffs if you want to get to the 3rd and the 4th rounds.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on May 5, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long posts distract me.
Steve Blake isn’t the man, but I think the offense in this series was in the best care when it was in his hands. He pushed the ball better than Brandon and got the offense running better than Brandon. He obviously can’t save the offense if it goes in the pooper like Brandon, but I thought he did a better job getting the offense in motion than Brandon.
My point above is that ball and player movement coming to a halt is not a function of whether or not the Blazers are a jump shooting team, it is a function of their mental state. Portland was not ready to play this series. They were not ready to fight through the physical play allowed by the refs. They weren’t ready to exploit the physical play allowed by the refs. No amount of jump shots can overcome this. These things are not a function of the offense, they are a function of being overwhelmed by a new situation. The team I watched in the games they lost was not the same team I saw in the games they won. It was much more than, “the jump shots went in.”
The jump shots went in because they were easier jump shots. The jump shots that missed were good jump shots taken against a scrambling defense, which led to rebounds. When opportunities to go inside presented themselves, Portland exploited them. When this didn’t happen, Portland looked like a “jump shooting team” because they became one, not because they were doing what got them to that point.
More than anything, I feel like there is a little bit of, “the sky is falling” in the talk because Portland went into a new situation a little unprepared. ‘The sky if falling’ talk is a bit maddening to me so I felt the need to rebut.
Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.
by shenanigans on May 5, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
It’s fun to talk about this stuff but it’s hard to get a handle around all of it sometimes….
As someone said in another thread, the cause sometimes is substituted for the effect, and that confuses matters…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on May 5, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frye's 9 minutes a game gets it own bullet point?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 5, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to me the biggest problem is "execution"
During the regular season games they’ve done a much better job at moving the ball, spacing the floor, running plays to get outside shooters open and basically played simple but structured team offense. They also relied much less on Roy and Roy was also better at setting up & creating opportunities for teammates.
To me the problem in this series is "execution". When they just couldn’t get their offense going, Roy had to do a lot of ISO stuff. When nobody stepped up to take pressure away from him, Roy would stop looking for his teammates.
In other words, the fact that we ran so many 1-on-1 for Roy this series is NOT by design, but due to the failure to execute under strong defensive pressure.
However, I do agree that they need to change the style of play next season in order to get to the next level. The biggest problem to me is that it’s too much perimeter-oriented. Players are good at creating/finding opens for outside shooters, but not for inside opportunities. It’s partly due to the coach’s scheme, but it’s also because of the lack of inside socring talents in our team. In the Houston series we witnessed how their perimeter-oriented offense – without consistent inside scoring – collapsed under the great Houston defense.
by iverigma2 on May 4, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
After watching Houston dismantle the Lakers last night just like they did Portland throughout the first round, I think it is time to give Houston the credit they deserve.
They are playing the right way and are peaking at the right time in the playoffs. I’m starting to think it’s more of Houston playing great defense when it matters and their opponents unable to counter-act with better offense. The Lakers are one of if not the best offensive teams in the league – not to mention an even better home team than Portland with an abundance of championship experience – and they faced the exact same problems as Portland did against Houston.
Time to give the Rockets some hard-earned due.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on May 5, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it was remarkable
how much LA, running a proven offense, with plenty of skilled players, looked like Portland last night. Lots of shots over the top of a set defense. I expect Gasol will hit more of them next game. Bynum was also pretty effective on offensive. Wish we had a 5 who could shoot short jumpers – it seems to be a shot that is available against Houston
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 5, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep trying to tell them over at SBN La-La-Land that Portland = LAL = Portland = LAL this year, but they aren't buying yet...
It’s true though.
Houston is gonna beat them in 6, if my theory is right.
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on May 5, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for Bynum — he put up 10 shots in just 15 minutes on the floor... After being nailed with 2 fouls in the first 2:15 of the game...
While he definitely has more range than Somebody We Know, he also has the same tendency to be foul-prone and more than a little befuddled out there…
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on May 5, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
It was fun hearing the play be play guy acting like he was totally shocked that someone could hang with the L@kers in LA. The L@kers look so much like the Blazers in that game it was eerie. Houston did not shoot lights out like they did in games 1 and 6 against Portland, but the smothering defense was in evidence.
What really surprised me is that the officiating actually seemed to be pretty even. I expected LA to get a good serving of home cooking. I didn’t expect Houston to be able to grab and hold as much as they did against Portland. I thought the non-calls against Houston played a huge role in our series with them and had a lot to do with the disruption of Portland’s offense. Maybe I should be less paranoid, I will be watching closely.
by upper left corner on May 5, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the jumpers didn't fall, Portland didn't have the horses to take the ball to the rack. Brandon is only one pony...
Next year: Brandon + Rex + new backup PF + LMA not forgetting to get low = better chance.
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on May 5, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your math, timbo....
Let’s hope Nic and Martell get in the equation as well.
by upper left corner on May 5, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it might be worthwhile to study what the rockets are now doing to l.a.
though of course last night was only one game.
ignacio
by ignacio on May 5, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Given what happened last night in Tinsel-town
maybe the answer was “they got stopped by a good defense?”
There is a confusion here between offensive EFFICIENCY and offensive diversity. One is well-measurable with statistics, and the Blazers did well—our offense outperformed, over the course of the regular season, the rest of the league.
Was our offense diverse? Not really. Only two players in our starting lineup, and four if you count the bench, are truly dangerous with the ball in their hands. Many others only get points off of spot-up shooting, offensive putbacks, and other situations where they are momentarily unguarded. As a result, most of our offense was either Roy being fancy, or LMA working down low—everybody else scored when the defense collapsed.
However, as simple (or simplistic) as our offense was, it worked—until it ran into a team (Houston) with the personnel to stop it.
Many other effective offenses (with the right personnel) are also simple. Orlando these days, and Houston back in their championship days with Hakeem, ran the “wagon wheel”—one dominating post player who commanded double-teams and was a decent passer; surrounded by a bunch of guys who could be counted on to make open jumpers. Utah’s offense during the Stockton/Malone days was likewise uncomplicated—pick-and-roll after pick-and-roll.
When you have an offensive player as talented as Roy (and who is a willing and intelligent passer), it’s not hard to fashion an efficient offense around him, simply by surrounding him with jumpshooters. But to get to next level, the team needs one more guy in the lineup who is dangerous with the ball in his hands, as opposed to guys who only are threats to score if left open. Because in the playoffs, there are guys who can slow down Roy one-on-one. Brandon still got his; but he got his without drawing the usual double-teams that normally lead to open jumpers from his teammates.
But it’s an old axiom in sports that a good defense beats a good offense. Unfortunately we weren’t the team with the elite defense.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
by EngineerScotty on May 5, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely agree
Roy was terrific, LMA was hit and miss, but played a lot of good ball, but we had no consistent 3rd or 4th scorers. Outlaw suffered the fate of a great many spot up 3 shooters when they get to the playoffs-they don’t get any of the open looks they feasted on during the regular season, and struggle. While Houston had guys (not always the same guys, even) who could make the Blazers pay for paying so much attention to Yao, they could rest comfortably in knowing that Pryz, Outlaw, Blake, et al were unlikely to consistently punish them. I have no prescriptions beyond those that have been discussed here intently since the season ended, but we have to give Houston credit-they have the right personnel to do it, and they executed their plan terrifically, and may be in the process of working their mojo on LA (more power to them in that endeavor).
by CT66 on May 5, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We went away from what worked
We didn’t move…our players didn’t move off the ball, they didn’t move the ball, and players didn’t trust their teammates. Our record leading into the playoffs were great, and we were finally pushing the pace against teams and got a bunch of 20 pt victories. During the playoffs we shortened the rotation because that is the “standard practice” and slowed down our pace. The only game with any resemblance of “Blazer Ball” was game 5.
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
by Philthyanimal on May 5, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I was at 5 it was fun.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on May 5, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a BBall expert but...
It seems that with great defensive teams like Houston or San Antonio or Boston, they simply rotate better and contest each shot more. So wide open shots become semi-wide open shots. And semi-wide opens shots become contested shots. And these teams can both collapse in the paint AND cover the shooters.
So taking that into consideration, I felt the Blazers didn’t do too bad. In fact, their playoff offense stats was BETTER than what Houston opponents put up against them in the regular season(101 vs 103 efficiency). And I’d imagine that the Houston defense is even better than their regular season numbers suggest. Because remember, they played half a season with an injured T-Mac contributing nothing on that end.
I think the better question is, what happened to our DEFENSE? Because if the Blazers only held the Rockets offense in check, this could be a totally different series.
by baubo on May 6, 2009 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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