Trade Drawer 5/31: KISS = "Keep It Simple, Stupid!"
FROM PORTLAND & TO NEW YORK
- Sergio Rodriguez ($874,000)
FROM NEW YORK & TO PORTLAD
- 2010 Second-Round Draft Pick
- 2010 Second-Round Draft Pick (Via The Los Angeles Clippers Through The Denver Nuggets)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lsz6du
Regarding Sergio Rodriguez, my opinion is that his trade value is almost next to nil. Whether that's fair or not isn't the question, though—no matter if you're pro-Sergio, anti-Sergio, or apathetic toward Sergio like myself.
What I do wonder, however, is how y'all would react to Rodriguez being dealt elsewhere for such an underwhelming, yet realistic package like the one presented up above here
Although I'd personally like to see Kevin Pritchard hold onto Rodriguez until at least after the July moratorium -- since "Spanish Chocolate" could hypothetically be a throw-in to complete a summer blockbuster -- my gut feeling is that he may be traded on or before 6/30/2009 for financial reasons heading into the NBA's next fiscal year.
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Their 2010 first round pick already lives in Utah
Would they really want to have no picks in 2010, when they can’t afford many expensive players and have to keep their cap clean for the first year of LeBron/Bosh/Amare/whoever? Wouldn’t their fans at the draft boo that even more than usual? Would the NBA have to move the draft to LA :)
But I agree that Sergio is probably not worth much more than draft picks. My hope would be to package him with other draft picks for a higher one this year. Which would also work with NY’s #8, although that’s not very likely when they are in love with Curry or even trying to move up to get Rubio (there were rumors of sending Richardson and the #8 to Memphis and taking back Darko and the #2, but I doubt Wallace bites on that). Reportedly teams are pretty interested in our 4 second rounders, because those are non-guaranteed contracts or can be used to stash Euro players away.
by Norsktroll on May 31, 2009 6:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Utah Jazz made out like bandits in the Tom Gugliotta trade.
http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/gugliotta_021904.html
Anyhow, I think it’s in the New York Knicks best interest to clear up as much salary cap space come 2010 as possible — which is why I’ve previously suggested that Mike D’Antoni should offer Jared Jeffries and Wilson Chandler to the Sacramento Kings for Kenny Thomas, try to dump Eddy Curry in a sign-and-trade deal involving David Lee, and let Nate Robinson walk this summer — therefore, a short-term investment on Sergio Rodriguez for a couple of future second-round picks isn’t an altogether horrible idea there.
At worst, Rodriguez does a so-so job as the team’s backup point guard for one season and heads back to Spain in 2010.
Now, with regards to a potential Quentin Richardson for Darko Milicic deal, it should be just a straight-up swap. Unless the Grizzlies are that down on Ricky Rubio and believe Jordan Hill — who I personally still compare to Chris Wilcox and Drew Gooden — will slip all the way to the 8th pick, then that seems like an unbalanced proposal in the Knicks’ favor.
I, too, am all for trading away the 55th and 56th picks in the 2009 NBA Draft for future assets. A team that has a couple of 2010 second-round draft picks like the Indiana Pacers would be a perfect trading partner. The Pacers have shown a penchant for foreign players, too, as evident by Erazem Lorbek — although he did play college basketball in the United States despite being born in Slovenia — and Stanko Barac. So, all things considered, the Pacers may trade its own 2010 second-round pick and a 2010 second-round draft pick via the Dallas Mavericks for the draft rights of two foreign-born prospects (e.g., Emir Preldzic & Milenko Tepic). Although I see Preldzic as Bostjan Nachbar and Tepic as Zoran Planinic, a mediocre front office executive like Larry Bird — who should’ve stuck with coaching — might see some potential in them.
by AK1984 on May 31, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sombody has a sergio rodgrigez post on the posting and toasting sbn site.
pretty interesting.
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by faith on May 31, 2009 8:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
link or it didn't happen
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by appel82 on May 31, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DaniBCN is doing some match making
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2009/5/21/882885/sergio-rodriguez
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
by appel82 on May 31, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first comment is good
Sergio is good in NBA2K9. Lets hope D’Antoni plays that.
by Norsktroll on May 31, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be fine with that if we had already done something else to improve our PG situation
First we get an upgrade, then I don’t mind dumping Sergio on the NYKs
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by 123_G.O._RipCity on May 31, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That package is nowhere near Sergio's worth
He had the 5th best PER for a player his age (22), and he might be THE purest point guard his age in the league. His shooting and defense both improved a lot last year. He was the 39th ranked PG in PER which basically puts him at average backup status, again, while being just 22 years old, and getting yanked around by the worst coach in the league for him.
You use him as a stepping stone to move up not for more 2nd rounders, of which there is zero need. Moving up, even its just 5-10 spots from either #24 or #32 would have far more value than 2nd rounders will.
Kevin Pritchard isn’t a fool. This trade would portray him as such.
by as11osu on May 31, 2009 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that you'd be hard-pressed to find a front office executive who'll part with any assets of ...
major value — which certainly includes the New York Knicks’ 8th overall pick in the 2009 NBA Draft — for the services of Sergio Rodriguez. Anyhow, regardless of whether he’s dealt as a single entity or included in a package, I’m interested to watch what Rodriguez ultimately fetches the Portland Trail Blazers in return on the trade market.
Again, I’m neither pro-Sergio or anti-Sergio — heck, I’m anti-Bayless more than anything — yet, no matter my apathy toward him as a player, it’s my feeling that his value isn’t all that high for trade purposes. In any event, though, we’ll surely soon find out whether my pessimism regarding what Kevin Pritchard will snag for Rodriguez is right or wrong here.
by AK1984 on May 31, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Knicks reportedly offered $3 million to the Nuggets for their #34 pick. They are ruining the market :)
Last year Pritchard could buy the #27 Hornets pick for that.
by Norsktroll on May 31, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that doesnt tell the whole story though
in this economy the 34th pick may welll be worth more than the 27th pick last year. With the 27th pick you get a bubble talent prospect but have to garauntee the contract where as with the 34th pick, which is still high in the second round you get basically the same talent level as 27th but do not have to garauntee the contract. Make sense? either that or you right NY is just DUMB!
by HurricaneDayne on May 31, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind him being traded for 2nd rounders
as long as those second rounders don’t get used straight up.
Shoot the moon on young Europeans or South Americans.
People that state how effective every player would be in the Dantoni system so they should be traded to the Knicks always seem to forget how Dantoni only likes to play 7 guys in any given year. He begrudgingly plays that 8th guy only so no one gets a heart attack.
There are players whose stats decline under the Dantoni system. Like Marcus Banks.
Because they never get any run. That would be Sergio, languishing on the end of the bench because he can’t shoot jumpers off the dribble.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on May 31, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh he can shoot em...just don't...and rarely hits em. :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on May 31, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
over at Hornets 247 a reader suggested
Antonio Daniels for Sergio and a 2nd rounder (only because we have so many). That wouldn’t be too bad a move as Daniels could sit 3rd string but give a decent/reliable performance if necessary. Although I think we’d need future picks from NOH (2nd rounders at least.
by NWfan on Jun 1, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Few Questions and maybe some good thoughts....probably not, but hey ;) ...
1. Can we send the “three million in cash” that we buy picks with in trades?
2. Can we trade the picks that we “buy” imediatelelelely?
3. Is there a limit to how many picks we can “buy”?
4. How willing is paul (owner)?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on May 31, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can send up to three million in cash in such a deal. You can use them as soon as the league approves the transfer. Last year the Blazers bought the Hornets’ pick at 27, then traded the player picked there to the Rockets. Technically I think the old team still picks the player you said to, and the league later approves it. The only limiting factors are the willingness of others to sell, and that teams can’t sell or trade first round picks in consecutive years (so e.g. this year the Hornets can’t sell theirs again, neither can the Mavs, ).
I suppose it could be possible to buy another pick in the mid 20s to mid 30s, above that nobody outright sells a pick. Looking at the list, e.g. the Timberwolves might agree to sell their #28 for cash and our #32 so they don’t have to guarantee another contract when they already have two first round picks before that.
by Norsktroll on May 31, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can trade or sell your picks in consecutive years
just not in the same deal.
Look at what the suns have become, in 2006 they sold us Sergio and then in 2007 we used $ and the NY TE for Jones and Rudy’s rights.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on May 31, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A limitation to the Ted Stepien rule is that you don't need to have your own pick, just any first round pick
In 2006 the Suns had two picks, and on draft day traded Rondo to the Celtics and Sergio to us. And in 2007 the pick the Suns used on Rudy was the one they got for Rondo. But they also picked Alando Tucker with their own one a few spots later. So they had a pick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NBA_Draft
by Norsktroll on May 31, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
from Croon
The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can’t trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on May 31, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but the Suns are not an example for that. And e.g. the Mavs can’t trade their 2009 pick, since they traded 2008 and the upcoming 2010 in the Kidd trade.
by Norsktroll on May 31, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could still trade the player after he's drafted
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on May 31, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft Comment
If we do stand pat & make no trades, I want Taj Gibson at 24. A bit low on girth for the 4, but I love his intensity on rebounding & defense.
Offseason:
Mike Conley Jr
Reggie Evans
Othello Hunter
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Rodrigue Beaubois
by TheGreatDane17 on May 31, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He likely could be had with 32 or 38
I like him too, despite his frail frame and lack of good shooting.
by Norsktroll on Jun 1, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wouldn't reach for Taj Gibson at 24. Gibson, however, would be flat-out perfect at 32 or 38.
by AK1984 on Jun 1, 2009 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take him
Because he is rising up draft boards with his measurables. I don’t see anyone else that really pops out as a good talent like him around our pick.
Reggie Evans can show him what it takes to rebound at a great rate too, I would like to work a trade with Philly, if they are interested in the trade exception or something. Then with one of our 2nd’s, take Kevin Seraphin. Hopefully he takes the Scola route, not the Sergio route to the NBA. By that time Gibson will be 29-30 & him + Seraphin(+Joel Freeland) can duke it out for backup 4, Gibson could defend & out rebound a lot of 3’s as well.
PF:
Aldridge
Evans
Gibson
Seraphin(EuroStash, not on our salary yet)
Freeland(EuroStash, not on our salary yet)
Offseason:
(T)Mike Conley Jr
(T)Reggie Evans
(D)Taj Gibson
(D)Kevin Seraphin
(D)Jerel McNeal/Lester Hudson
by TheGreatDane17 on Jun 1, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs























