Sources: Hinrich to be traded, regardless of Ben Gordon status
by Norsktroll on May 29, 2009 1:51 PM PDT
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PrintColumnist Doug Thounus for Chicago Now blog (who previously was the host of BullsBeat, and is a partial owner of DraftExpress):
Sources close to me have told me that Kirk Hinrich will be traded sometime before next season starts. His status seems to be independent on whether the Bulls are able to bring back Gordon.
Problem is, it might be to the Wolves according to a Minny sports radio station (just like Portland they had negotiations before the deadline):
Don't really know why the Bulls, who now have a nice three-guard combo, would go for this, but the Mix hears that the Wolves could offer the No. 6 pick in a very weak draft for Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich. Think of it: A combo guard who can even defend (including forwards as big and strong and talented as Paul Pierce). One down side: He has already been in the league for five years. Trent Tucker's idea might be even better: Offer Mike Miller for Hinrich.
The source seems credible enough that Matt from fellow SBN site Blog a Bull has promoted it to the frontpage (comments). Speculate away, seems to be speculation day anyway with Canzano's latest KP blurb.
Update: Looks like Wolves fans would hate such a deal.
See article frontpage for Dave taking up the issue if we want Hinrich and how a deal might look like.
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a Hinrich/Bayless rotation at point would be money. They might kill each other in practice.
Getting Hinrich as a short-term fix would be a vote of confidence for Bayless.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
Hinrich is not a short term answer
He’s not super young, but he’s young enough that we’d be expecting at least 3 or 4 peak/near-peak years from him.
I don’t think a scenario in which you go after Hinrich is a scenario in which you plan on developing a project like Bayless.
If we get an older guy like Miller, Nash, or Kidd, I would say keep Bayless and groom him for 2010. But a younger veteran like Hinrich doesn’t need an understudy, so I say keep Blake and trade Bayless for a future pick or more veteran help.
Hinrich would be here for the three remaining years of his contract. Bayless would then be entering his fifth year. Nate has said that it takes five years to develop a point guard.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
Then we have Blake and a more veterany veteran than Hinrich? That makes less sense to me.
Hinrich’s contract runs three years until the summer of 2012 (when he will be 31). If Bayless has developed into a superior player and is ready to replace him before then, great, we just found ourselves one of the best backups imaginable for a young player who can be used pretty versatile on both guard spots. If not, as you said Hinrich is capable to lead the team into and in the playoffs until then. Everybody wins.
A vote of no confidence in Bayless would rather be to bring in a player like Conley or Sessions.
by Norsktroll on May 29, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree completely
The only issue is that if Bayless replaces him in the near future you are paying a hefty sum for a backup guard. Although the nice thing about Heinrich’s contract is that it is front loaded.
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Yup
An “old” guy like Hinrich still gives Bayless somebody to apprentice under and probably get a consistent diet of 15-18 minutes per game (assuming he can seize them). As long as you don’t bring in Yet Another Young Point Guard (heretofore known as YAYPG) then you hope he sees it as an opportunity to grow and take over when he’s ready.
I think Hinrich would be a great tutor since he wasn’t exactly a true point guard at Kansas and had to learn on the job and he’s got the rep of liking to help younger guys.
we could destroy the wolves' offer if all they are giving is the sixth pick or mike miller.
You and I will share all that we know--so close your eyes and just let yourself go.
how so?
Is Outlaw either clearly better than Miller or more valuable than the sixth pick? I say no to both. Chicago doesn’t care about cash, and Bayless holds no value for them with Rose, whether or not Gordon stays.
I think the Wolves could probably put together a more enticing package for Hinrich than we’re willing to match.
What do the Bulls need?
They acquired Salmons and Brad Miller at the deadline. Besides a backup guard for Rose and (maybe) Gordon I have no earthly clue what Paxson would want for Hinrich
I suspect they don’t want to match salaries, so they’d be interested in an unbalanced trade
Unless they really like Sergio or Bayless I don’t see a deal with Chicago for Kirk, now that RLEC is gone
A simple Blake for Hinrich 1:1 deal would work
See here why in more detail: http://www.blogabull.com/2009/5/15/876643/if-the-bulls-want-to-move-kirk
We can absorb Hinrich with our cap space (once Frye is off the books), they generate a trade exception in the height of the difference between the two contracts. Plus picks. The Bulls get a good replacement, save the luxury tax, and can still acquire a player later with the trade exception if they want.
They also would be highly interested in an inside defender (Joel), but I can’t see KP willing to trade him in such a deal.
Steve is in rehab
Maybe the Bulls will agree to take Blake before he’s fully healthy, but that’s not how it’s usually done. If Steve’s shoulder is still bothering him now after 3 months, and 3 weeks after playing in a game he’s in a sling, I would be surprised if another GM would take a pass at him (until he’s healthy and playing again) regardless of his past history or salary relief
They can waive the physical. And the deal doesn't have to be a draft-day deal. This one can be done at any time.
Blake’s contract next season goes down a bit, and Hinrich’s too. The difference would be $5.75 or $5.5 million depending on when it is done.
If KP doesn't do a draft-day deal
this website will hemorrhage
But seriously, the blog-a-Bulls would embrace a Hinrich-for-Blake+picks deal?
If you sold that trade to them you should be selling used GM cars on commission
I think it's pretty fair
It gives them a ton of financial flexibility (if they waive Blake) and creates a 5.5 million dollar trade exception.
I don't know
The 6th pick has potential. They could get tough with Blair or go for talent and take Tyreke Evans. A backcourt of Rose/Evans could be scary
by danielfarrell on May 30, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither team will want to deal with us
We got the upper end on both Roy (vs Foye) and Aldridge (vs TyThom). They won’t want to come back for a second dose.
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I worry
about that with alot of teams KP has got to looked at as a shrewed operator. Didnt the gm’s try to do a minny freeze out of Portland at the trade deadline because of the letter Miller sent out?
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.
Please..
….take this report with a large grain of salt. The guy writing it is a drive time talk radio host who gets listeners by pitching himself as the sane middle man between the clowns and jokers. One of his big shticks is to hound on the Wolves and his take on the team is firmly grounded in the early 90s. My highly educated guess is that this guy is not plugged into anything Wolves related, especially with a new GM in town.
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I’m not saying this couldn’t be the case; rather, that this particular column isn’t the sort of thing you want to base any Wolves-related opinions on.
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heh, the Bulls fans are getting excited about the sixth pick. Might not want to break it to them.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
...Who would they even get with the 6th pick?
Blair? I guess Tyreke Evans?
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We have some people around here
that don’t find that joke funny. I am not one them.
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haha… the thought of a Hansbrough-Love rotation is comedy.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
Don't forget...
…Madsen and Cardinal.
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roughly equivalent to Bird, McHale, Walton on the ’86 Celtics.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
yeah...
…but did the 86 Celts have a mike miller? i think not. ;)
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I thought the question was meant for us...
Brandon Jennings is an exceptional talent, and would be an upgrade from Bayless as a backup.
wouldn’t they need someone with a jump shot next to Rose?
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
Well that's where Mike Miller comes in I guess?
Btw does anyone know what they are doing with Deng at this point?
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Rumor was that they were trying to dump him for an expiring (Shaq).
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
Oh ok that makes sense then
Yeah I like Jennings, still needs work to become a good starter in this league and I think he would preform better in a more fast paced offensive system. His jumpshot is definitely suspect at this point
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but Thonus is credible, right? I understand that the Minny guy may be unreliable.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
From what I can gather he is very connected in the Bulls fan community, Matt knows him, but I don't know how good his sources inside the Bulls organization are
From the comments of the post:
Doug Thonus said in reply to comment from Ralphb07:
I would say the info on Hinrich leaving is pretty reliable. I suppose if they can’t find the right trade he might stay, but there seems to be a strong push for him to go.
like i have told you many times before...
…hinrich will not escape minny ;) dude’s from iowa and glen taylor loves nothing more than to collect upper mid-westerners.
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it's on like donkey kong
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I was impressed by Da Bulls in general
and Kirk in particular in the playoffs,a POR CHI trade is one of the more likely things to happen.
by southern oregon on May 29, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions
Remember
we have 5 draft picks to use as leverage. Plus, we can do a 3 team deal, and everyone leaves happy. There are teams out there that are desperate for cap relief (Charlotte, New Orleans) that would jump at the chance to lower their cap. We can help with that.
IMO adding Hinrich alone to this team puts us in the WCF, and with a banger backup PF, and Martell coming back and able to play, NBA Finals are not out of the question. You have to remember, Hinrich knows how to pass into the post, making Oden better, takes the pressure off Roy to play point so much and is a better defender than Blake.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on May 29, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions
Hinrich can play defense
He played Paul Peirce better than anyone I’ve seen guard him. How long have the blazers been looking for perimeter D? Hinrich some of the quickest feet in the NBA.
Random Notes on Hinrich
I think Hinrich would be an upgrade over Blake, and I think if we get him though we should give up no more than Blake and picks to get him/ I know multiple Bull fans who would accept this, plus sources saying HInrich will be traded no matter what doesn’t exactly boost his trade value.
Next, lets look at Hinrich’s strengths and weaknesses for the Blazers:
1) Comparable, but not as good as shooter as Blake
2) A bit more creative with the ball in his hands than Blake, but cannot consistently get into the lane (aka Brandon would still be our only proven guard who can get in the lane).
3) Much better defensively than Blake. However, here is where I really want people to take a close look, and answer the question, How does this help our team? I think to find the answer to this question people need to look at why they wanted a better defensive point to begin with. I think mostly it was due to Aaron Brooks in the playoffs and quick/small points who can get in the lane. Well, is this area of weakness really one of Hinrich’s strengths. I mean, sure overall defense is, but all the positives of Hinrich’s D I see people citing are those of him guarding Peirce in the playoffs or bigger guards. So, he can guard bigger guards, who don’t get in the lane well, but how does he do against smaller quick guards? This question concerns me most, and I think it is one that people look over.
Finally, I think that if and I believe that is a big if KP aquires Hinrich what it really tells us is that the organization has faith in Bayless as being the point guard of the future. I believe this because I obviously believe that there is no way we trade Bayless for Hinrich. I think Hinrich is a good answer if we believe in Bayless. He can buy Bayless a couple more years to develop than Blake, and be a nice upgrade in the meantime. However, I completely disagree with those who think Hinrich is THE ANSWER to the point guard question. Mostly because I believe that we desperately need a point who can get into the lane and distribute the ball at a high rate. A point who is just as much a threat to score as to pass. Hinrich is not Conley, and he’s not Sessions. Either of those two guys, I think could be the point of the future. However, if Hinrich comes to Portland this off season, look for Bayless to be the point of the future . . . i think management will.
by mballer225 on May 31, 2009 2:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate it when people do that....
Ok back to the drawing board….. :) R.E.C.
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Hey Sorry . . .
I see you said the same thing earlier. I just wanted to give all of my two cents on Hinrich. I’m glad someone agrees with me actually.
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