Changes in the NBA You'd Like to See
Of late I've been doing some things with the network which include reading around some of the other blogs. It's scary what a quantum leap forward much of the SBN coverage has taken in the last year-and-a-half, particularly the NBA coverage.
One of the fine, young writers who, much like our own Ben Golliver, is on the runway to become a full-blown media voice in his chosen town and sport resides over at TheDreamShake. His name is Tom Martin and he's got The Voice.
One of his latest pieces is short, but incisive. He lists three rule changes he'd like to see in the NBA next season. You can read the analysis there, but in brief his choices were correctly calling fouls when jump-shooters initiate contact after the up-fake, clarifying blocking fouls, and delineating what's legal and not when fronting the post on defense (natch, since they've got Yao Ming).
I thought the topic was great, so let's throw this open to Blazer fans too. What rule changes or clarifications would you most like to see for next year? What bugs you the most because it's not enforced, enforced wrong, or is just plain covered by a bogus rule?
Fire away in the comments.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Get rid of the restricted area
Or as I call it the “So we can legally ignore Shaq dunking while really charging” rule..
And on the non-basketball side, fix the rule regarding medical retirement to avoid a Darius Miles like repeat…
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restricted area
Have to agree, I hate this rule. It’s worse when the defender is called for the foul because the heel of his foot has caught the line regardless of whether or not he has established perfect defensive position. Now we see guards come into the lane and just throw themselves into the post defenders knowing no matter what, they are going to get the benefit of the contact whistle.
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Keep the restricted area... change the way the rule is applied!
I don’t like the college rule where you can camp out right under the rim and draw charging fouls.
I hate the NBA rule that allows you to run a guy over if he’s in the restricted area!! The rules relating to blocking fouls should apply anywhere on the court. To draw a charging foul, you should be outside of the restricted area. A charge inside the restricted area should be a “no-call”. If it disrupts the shot… big deal! That’s good defense! But don’t reward camping out under the rim the same way you would reward drawing a charge outside the restricted area.
David Stern… Make it happen!!!
by 52therim on May 29, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
like that idea
If you are really set, someone shouldn’t be able to run you over.
I’d also shrink the area a bit – it basically means post defenders can’t take a charge, since they usually can’t get far enough out if they were helping from a deep position.
I think the charging foul
Should be called only if the defender is able to get his feet set. I hate the “beating the other guy to the spot” and then flopping. The whole block/charge call is something that I think could be explained better. I would like to know what exactly constitutes a charge/block.
That right there is something that will never be solved
Its been a debate for years and its to a large extent is a matter of judgemtn..
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Thats true, it is subjective
I just wish there was something you could point to and say “that makes it a block” or “that makes it a charge.” I know its probably just wishful thinking but that is really what I would like. It’s a call that can have such a drastic affect on momentum and sometimes the difference between a charge and a block is so minute. It’s got to be the toughest call in sports.
"Flopping" should be banned
If a player “flops” it should be called a foul on the “flopper”. The offensive team gets one free throw and then regains position of the ball with a 24 second shot clock.
Floppers should
get a technical foul. twice and your out is a good way to keep them out of the game.
It's never been about getting your feet set
It’s about getting your torso “set” in front of the player. You can still be moving and draw a charge. Your torso must stay between the player and the basket… that’s it.
Truehoop has discussed this with league officials a fair amount, and I completely agree b/c trying to draw a charge only by standing still is basically impossible against good offensive players. They can adjust their body to much.
Oden and LaMarcus and Roy, oh my!
We have to find space for the bigs to play in the playoffs without fouling out.
Nearly every team in the playoffs had major foul issues with their bigs. It puts too much premium on perimeter players.
Also fixing the really bad playoff referee jobs might be nice.
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Interesting topic.
1.) Younger refs. I have a hard time believing guys like Dick Bavetta aren’t a little past their prime.
2.) Better use of instant replay. It would be nice if each team could use one or two of their full time outs to have the refs review a play. It wouldn’t take away from the flow of the game, since it’s just a time out anyway, and I’m sure it would make fans feel better about alleged favoritism. It might also discourage super-stars from trying to draw cheap fouls at the end of games. It would be risky for players to try and trick the refs knowing they might get to watch it in slow motion.
3.) I would like to see more non-calls on flops. Maybe even penalize guys somehow if flopping is clearly evident upon the review of games. I know it’s a little subjective, but so are technical fouls.
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by Nick Van Excellent on May 29, 2009 1:07 AM PDT reply actions
I especially agree with instant replay.
I think teams should have 1or 2 challenges a half, kind of like the NFL.
They should be able to challenge foul calls, possession calls (i.e. who touched it last), and shots anytime during the game. If the challenge fails, then they loose a timeout.
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#1
Not only younger refs- TALLER refs. It’s disgusting to look at the game and see these 5’8" refs trying to call things amidst a forest of humanity.
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by haildablazer on May 29, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Basketball in general:
Once the offensive player leaves his feet, if the defender slides under him trying to draw the charge (Duke is NOTORIOUSLY BAD AT THIS) it’s an automatic block.
NBA:
Penalize Flopping!
Be able to review shots that were at the buzzer of the shot clock (maybe they instituted this already?)
Institute a draft rule like they have for baseball: either go pro right out of high school, or wait until your Junior year. This one and done stuff sucks IMO. The NCAA would be much better off if given three years with it’s stars (think of the hype Curry and Griffin had this year, made me want to watch College Basketball) instead of one. Even if that means losing out on the elite of the elite like Oden, Rose, Durant, etc.
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
To extend on the blocking/charging rule: What I think is ridiculous is that a player can cause a foul even if he has already passed the ball and is just in the process of stopping. Of course if he bodyslams a player to the floor or out of bounds to get him out of the way to let his trailer dunk that’s a foul, but not if he happens to make a little contact.
Flopping! Fouls! Technicals! Oh, my!
Flopping. This was supposed to be addressed this season but I have not noticed even the slightest of improvement. When a player is notorious for flopping (cough Varajao cough) why not do something about it? Call a technical just once and it would probably help a whole lot.
The consistency of foul calling. Superstar calls have gotten way out of hand. Watching the playoffs is miserable unless the team you are rooting for has LeBron or Kobe. I want to see the star players get called for the same things others do. Refs turn their backs far too often to avoid seeing a foul committed by them.
Flagrant Fouls/Technicals. We all realized the definition of a Flagrant 1 and 2 are not clear thanks to the infamous Rudy Foul. The playoffs have also been a pretty evident example for both technicals and flagrants. There have been quite a few fouls upgraded to flagrants and plenty of technicals rescinded.
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Superstar calls
little gets my goat more then this exception. I really get bent out of shape when the refs blow the whistle after the shot and the ball doesn’t go in. Kinda like they don’t see any contact during the shot, but since he (kobe) missed it, there must have been a foul. GRRRRR!!!!
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my theory on this is refs play pickup games for fun
and it’s just a force of habit.
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
and in those games the refs live out their superstar fantasies
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
The Return of Flopping
The Blazers have never had great floppers, so I’ve always felt morally superior when complaining about it.
I don’t actually think it is anywhere near as bad as in the past. Charles Barkley and Carl Malone, despite being fantastic talents and some of the strongest guys around, never, ever worked when they could cheat. They were always flopping and I lost a lot of respect for both of them because of it.
Now we’re just seeing a mix of international players bringing back flopping, and star players sense of entitlement playing the referees (with the help of the D. Stern).
(all related)
1. Shorter seasons (70 games)
2. More divisional rivalry (4 divisions, 4 games each team, 2 for all the others = 70 games)
3. Less teams in the playoffs (6 from each conference, with each division winner getting a bye)
This would contribute to games having more importance, less players being injured, no back to backs, and a more competitive overall season.
This will happen when Honolulu freezes over...
Owners will never agree to give up six opportunities to dip into our wallets even in the best of economic times. With the economy as shaky as it is, I have more of a chance to be starting at Point Guard for the Blazers next year then a reduction in games played..
I can see where you are going with this suggestion, but as a fan, I want to see as much of my beloved Blazers as possible, heck let em play year round, two games a day… I still couldn’t get enough.
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by philly420pdxhilo on May 29, 2009 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions
teams make
much more of their money collectively through TV broadcasting, which wouldn’t be affected at all since the season would be as long. And with less teams in the playoffs they can just in effect focus on matchups 3-6 and 4-5 from each conference, in the first round those matchups really are covered much less anyways.
The great teams would lose money on tickets sales, but many of the bad teams aren’t being able to sell their tickets anyways (especially at the end of the season), the six games are immaterial in the long run compared to the benefits it would gain nationally from an improved quality of play.
Teams coast bad during the regular season and basketball is the worst sport to play at half-speed, it’s very noticeable.
by darkhelmit54 on May 29, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
TV Broadcasting would definitely be affected
70 games in a season means fewer games on TV which probably means fewer total viewers which means less time and money for ads. Fewer playoff games would definitely be less lucrative for them, since these are the highest rated, biggest pulling TV product that the NBA has.
The only way a shorter season and fewer playoff games would be a revenue neutral proposal from a TV perspective is if it somehow made the NBA massively more popular, and the total number of viewers stayed the same despite having fewer games.
error in logic
are any teams currently broadcast nationally more than 70 games in a season?
In the first round of the playoffs do you really think that all 56 games are broadcast nationally?
Under that proposal you could easily broadcast just as many games nationally, maybe a few less local games but ABC, ESPN, and TNT would easily be able to cover just as many games.
by darkhelmit54 on May 29, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
AND...
would it need to be ‘massively’ more popular or 12/82 (15%) more popular? I don’t think the ratings would need to be that much better personally (tough I do think they’d get a bump) because you COULD broadcast just as many games (nationally)
by darkhelmit54 on May 29, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
its not just NBA
the team owners wouldnt go for shortening the season. That means 12 * 16,000 fewer tickets sold, 12 * 20,000+ concessions sold and 12 * ~10,000 fewer merchandise sold. Not to mention teams still do get money for the local broadcasts, and lose money that way. Not a chance
I disagree with the shorter season because...
Like Philly420, I want to see more basketball. I understand your point though about injuries and stuff.
I definately agree with more divisional rivalry. I think the schedule should be more concentrated on the division and then your own conference. For example, I wouldn’t mind it if the Blazers didn’t even play all of the teams in the east, maybe have a rotating out-side the conference schedule. One year the blazers don’t play any games against the Atlantic division, the next year they don’t play the central. etc. so you make room for more division and own conference games.
I think it might be cool if potentially , in the NBA finals you have two teams that haven’t played against each other during the current year. Adds to the drama of the matchup I think.
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shorter seasons is only going to affect
a majority of injuries occurring in the final 12 games of the season (FOR MOST TEAMS), after that, teams in the playoffs are still going to experience injuries in playoff basketball (Yao). More season-ending injuries come from freak accidents that could happen just as likely whether there are or aren’t 12 fewer games. It comes down to conditioning and just plain old genetics basically. Why is that some players go their whole career without missing more than a game or two because of your routine pulled muscle, twisted ankle, and some players are chronically injured? Its called chronic for a reason, it doesn’t go away.
If the season is the same length
your argument doesn’t take into account the exhaustion/lack of sleep and recovery time that goes into injuries (especially stuff like stress fractures and cartilage stuff). If games are more spaced out (eliminating 12 games could get rid of back to backs completely) then players with the same injury missing the same amount of time would miss less games, AND I think overall a few less injuries would occur because players bodies would have time to recover.
by darkhelmit54 on May 29, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I definitely like the idea of an unbalanced schedule (more games against division)
Baseball did this a while back, and it’s been producing some great rivalries. Teams really get to know each other over a season, plus it makes sense since the Division winner gets an automatic berth in the playoffs.
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by haildablazer on May 29, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I prefer the idea
of a completely balanced schedule, with the abolition of divisions and even conferences. Then the regular season becomes more meaningful. If the # of games is reduced, then even more so (and this also allows the current full playoff system to seem less lengthy). The top 16 teams – period – enter the playoffs, which become a true post-season tournement and lose their function of trying to determine who is the “best” team of the year. My theory is that rivalries can and will emerge no matter what — even non-locally.
As for rules and enforcement: crack down on “superstar treatment” calls; adopt the trapezoid key (ha ha heh. i know i know); call charges when the shooter jumps into the defender, and not straight up or backwards, for a perimeter shot;
These are changes I’d like to see. Whether they are convenient for NBA profits is another question.
BTW, I read last month that the league is considering changing the traveling rule to allow another step. NOOOOO!!!!!!!
Same problem in every sport
Since player salaries and TV money started going up (a long time ago), just about every sports league has lengthened their season and added playoff spots. It has meant more injuries and lower quality season finishes and playoffs.
It is now getting much worse for the big stars with international events gaining in prominence. In Soccer, to really compete at the top, teams have to have a two teams worth of world-class players because they get worn down from competing year round. Basketball has roster limits and salary caps which prevent that, but we’re seeing stars go through the same type of schedule.
As philly… states, however, nothing is going to change with all of this, so we might as well get used to it. We might also want to think about how many international players (including US team players) we want to depend on in our full rotation.
I like seeing lots of games
But if they tightened the season just a bit, I’d live. It just wouldn’t be my preference.
Fewer teams in the playoffs, however, I have a real problem with. I can’t stand the bye system. All the teams should have to play the same number of playoff series. Imagine that happening this year. Portland and Denver have the same record. Due to tie breakers, Denver doesn’t even have to play in the first round and we do? Yuck.
2 hot 2 stop it
well...
I wouldn’t do that with three divisions:
But if there were only two per conference, and you played each team in conference four times that would be a huge deal (w/rivalry) to compete for and teams would work harder during the regular season (and at the end…I’m looking at the spurs now) to get that bye. So really you’d have to be the top team out of 8 (not 5) to get that bye. And the first round could be 5 games instead of seven too to speed things up and not create a huge advantage for the bye team.
It’s less games but nearly the same # of TV games, and there’d be more hype when the division winners entered the playoffs against a bunch of teams who just won a playoff series and are looking good too. Obviously BOS-CHI this year was great, but good 1-8 & 2-7 matchups are rare and are often the result of the 1 or 2 team coasting the first couple of games.
by darkhelmit54 on May 29, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
i dont like less teams in playoffs
no fun. I love the length of the NBA/NHL playoffs. The NFL/MLB stuff is too short for me.
I would just
like to see the playoffs over by the first of June this has gotten rediculous. Summertime is not sitting in the house watching basketball time.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.
especially
with all the other teams getting ready for the draft and all…kind of a joke. Some teams will have been done for nearly 10 weeks by the time the playoffs are over, is that fair under collective bargaining?
Casual (IE most of the money audience) fans cannot keep up with a 9 or 10 week playoff setup, it’s way too damn long and really diminishes the drama/importance/hype.
If first round were only 3-6 and 4-5 and five games long there’d be a do or die underdog kind of sentiment to them, in the second round it would be the inclusion of the big boys, then you have the conference finals and championships as is. You can trim nearly two weeks off of the playoff setup that way, making it much more reasonable and easy to follow for the casual fan, not to mention making the playoffs would really mean something to fans.
Maybe even all the teams making it in the east would have a winning record.
by darkhelmit54 on May 29, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like how more teams make the playoffs than don’t make it. If we cut the number of teams in each conference from 8 to 6 that would make the playoffs a lot more interesting.
Exactly
See above…
gotta reward teams for playing well in the regular season too (bye first round or something)
by darkhelmit54 on May 29, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
other than the obvious refereeing changes
Change the last two minutes of the game so that any shooting foul leads to 1-shot and posession of the ball. The last two minutes would be much more wild as the team behind would actually have to stop the other team to regain possession instead of fouling and hoping.
by boppitywop on May 29, 2009 2:03 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
stats on Refs
Stats on Refs, updated stat columns (assist credit given to a player if the assisted player is fouled, how often a player is fouled, 2 pt fg% that doesn’t include 3s, 3pt fg% that doesnt include end of quarter heaves
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4 Refs
What does a Blazer do? He blazes! Where? Up the trail. Why? Portland dunks the ball! Believe RubiOden will happen.
Agreed.
Maybe even a 5th on a monitor to check the 2/3 pt shots that they review, among other potential calls.
Oden and LaMarcus and Roy, oh my!
My three changes....
1) Kobe and LaBron have to play in socks, no shoes.
2) Shaq is not allowed closer than 10 feet from the basket.
3) Each team would be required to play at least three games a season in Hilo.
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by philly420pdxhilo on May 29, 2009 2:47 AM PDT reply actions
4 point shot line (3ft behind 3 point line)
A tech gets you 2minutes of 4 on 5 play.
Coaches jump for opening tip.
better than that for a 4 point shot
I would love to see the half court line being the 4 point shot line.. Even though it is a tough shot.. i think it would have numerous impacts on the game? Defense might be forced to engage more in the backcourt? It would change the meaning of crazy desperation shots and the backcourt time rules.
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Can you imagine
Stan Van Gundy with his short Bayless arms jumping? And Phil Jackson would pretty hilarious too. I don’t really see him wanting to get off of his Throne though.
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He'd make Rambis do it
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Officiating
1) Replays where really the whole action can be reviewed. E.g. not only if a shooter was behind the three-point line, but also if he released it within the 24 seconds which currently only can be done when the time in a quarter expires. That drives me crazy (see Finley, Michael in the game against Sacramento) because it’s obvious and I suppose the refs see they blew the call but can’t do anything about it. Either the crew chief can trigger a review, or maybe we need to introduce a coaching challenge.
2) A head umpire, who sits further away and/or watches the game on a monitor
3) A new generation of well-trained, well-compensated refs. Not to discriminate against people born before 1955, but that strikes me as a bad tradeoff in experience vs. being in the right position to make a call.
4) Accountability/transparency. The crew chief has to answer questions in the press conference like the coaches and top players. Also more information about which crew was assigned to which games, how many calls they made for home and away team, etc. I know fans track this and pundits start calling for it (Simmons), but the league should provide this itself. They don’t have to say who they think are the best refs (people will decide that by themselves seeing who gets to call the important and late matchups), just make the whole “we have the best-metricized group of employees in the world” claim more valid.
5) This hopefully leading to more consistency, i.e. calls made less dependent on personal preference of a ref, game situation, and players and teams involved. When in doubt, let the players decide the outcome of a game a bit like in the NHL. In a fascinating game 7 Boston vs. Carolina the refs swallowed their whistles and a player would have had to commit bloody murder to cause a decisive penalty or suspension.
6) Education of the public. A TV show (segment) on NBA TV where a retired ref or supervisor explains the rules regarding a specific situation, why a certain call was made – or why it was the wrong call.
On a positive note, one thing I learned about officiating in the playoffs that I thought was brilliant:
Refs in the playoffs get compensated by series, not by game. Thus they have no financial incentive to extend a series to say 5 or 7 games.
by Norsktroll on May 29, 2009 3:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
One comment on replays:
(My NO REPLAY rant is below a couple comments)
Your example of the 24 second clock is a good one. Upon review, it is dissected into tenths and hundreths of a second with freeze frame accuracy, but the review is not used to determine if the clock was started at the right time. What if the buzzer goes of 2/10 of a second before the ball leaves the shooters hand, yet 24 seconds earlier the clock got started 3/10 of a second too early. We have already decided that the time that the clock is started is correct, right and gospel even though it is as subjective as the refs non-replay call on the shot clock violation.
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a far walk out to left field
yes, I like the coach challenge and education. My long walk would be pre-arraigned panels of 3 fan/bloggers (drawn from SB Nation?) to agree on what were bad calls for any given game. Result submitted to ref org. Panelists can not come from home team (or conference?). This also works as a tie in with education and accountability/transparency. Unwieldy, yes, but in my perfect world.
My three rules
1. Flopping is technical. It is terrible for the league. That would stop it pretty quickly.
2. 2 Challenge Flags for coaches (anything is reviewable)
3. Violet Palmer and Steve Javie are never allowed to officiate another Blazer game.
hmm.
2. Don’t like how this would stop the game…
3. Palmer is already gone. Left for WCC position.
Oden and LaMarcus and Roy, oh my!
Palmer isn't gone
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by haildablazer on May 29, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Booooooooooooo
Oden and LaMarcus and Roy, oh my!
by Quik_Baller on May 29, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
add Crawford to the list of refs who need to be retired
Reno. So close to hell you can see Sparks.
by RenoBlazerFan on May 29, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Divisional Realignment
OKC and Portland and Minn should not be in the same division.
Yellow Mamba FTW!
by northwestj on May 29, 2009 5:29 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
here, here. I agree.
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totally
it seems that the NBA has no problem letting teams move around but the division structure should be just as easily changed.
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by BRoyTheNatural on May 29, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd like the traveling call clarified.
I really don’t understand these stop-start travel calls. Outlaw tends to pick them when he’s held the ball after receiving a pass than puts down the dribble to make a move and suddenly its a travel…and I don’t even mean picking up the wrong pivot foot, because usually the ball is caught flat footed and you can make either foot your pivot foot.
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by Arby on May 29, 2009 5:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I noticed those calls to
they blew me away because I kept going back over them on replay trying to figure out what Supertrout had done wrong.
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by haildablazer on May 29, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah pretty ridiculous. I don’t know how many times Trav had that called on him, yet I consistently remember watching guys like Wafer/JR Smith and all sorts of other high flying semi-talented bench players take a couple extra when getting ready for that dunk (you know, like we all used to do as kids in our backyard slam dunk competitions on a 6 foot hoop?) I can’t wait until next season when I have DVR, i am going to start a collection of blatantly obvious missed traveling calls
I think what happens
is he starts his move before he starts his dribble. You see it a lot and it is really frusterating because it is a really simple fix to avoid all the traveling calls. Oden did it a lot too.
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that is the right track
but I also think that Arby is trying to say that establishing a pivot foot and starting a move can be confused. I think the travel comes in when you start your move and thus establish a pivot foot, but you move the pivot foot before you have put the ball on the floor.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
That is exactly what I was trying to say
just didn’t explain it enough.
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Three simple things:
No replay
No replay
and No replay.
If better officials are needed, fine, fix that. If better definition of the rules is needed, fine, fix that. If more oversight, review and disclosure is needed, fine, fix that.
But don’t slow down the game with replay just to pacify the fans outrage at problems that stem from things that won’t be fixed by replay.
I believe that the refs are an integral part of the game and their call is “right”. That doesn’t mean correct, but for that game and that moment in time, it is right.
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The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
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I don't see a problem with having it for end of game situations
to determine if a player got a shot off. Besides, the only real replays they do in the NBA are if shots are 2’s or 3’s, and those are only reviewed during timeouts anyway.
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It really undermines the excitement of winning on a buzzer beater
I was in the RG for BRoy’s game winner against the Rockets and everyone went nuts, but then wait – it has to be reviewed… It took forever and the energy had dissipated by the time they nodded and called it over. It wasn’t even close, but they review it every time.
Maybe they could let the refs on the floor call it, but have another watching a monitor and a 5 or 10 second window where he/she can order a review if it looks like the call on the floor was wrong.
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Replay should be used in moderate doses.
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as long as
The review was quick like a 20 second timeout or something I could see it working. Replay would be a lot simpler than in the NFL where they need 5 minutes sometimes to rule on a play. There would also have to be a limit on the replays. I would much rather get a call right with replay than let the wrong call stand (Finley).
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by BRoyTheNatural on May 29, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
There are always going to be wrong calls.
I say so what? I know I’m in the minority in this, but wrong calls go both ways. I don’t want games fixed and I want refs to be as accurate as possible. However, there will always be human errors. You win some, you lose some. I feel like replays are an attempt to eliminate all error, and since I don’t believe that is possible in a subjectively called game, why even go down that road.
I feel just the opposite with football. I like replay there. The pace of the game accepts it.
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On a replay challenge, if the challenge is justified, the correct call is critical to the outcome of the game.
If the challenge is bad, then the coach loses a timeout, which is a wash in terms of length of gameplay. How does this slow down the game? You need a limit of course: perhaps 2 per game?
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by RenoBlazerFan on May 29, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not the total length of the game that concerns me.
I view a 30 second timeout differently than 30 seconds of refs huddling around a monitor. I don’t want to find out 30 seconds later that a call is reversed. Wondering what play will be called, what is the strategy, what is going to happen coming out of a timeout is good suspense. Wondering what the refs are going to call after watching the monitors is bad suspense.
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Crazy change: no free throw
What is the most boring thing in bball? Free throws! Foul one point and the ball back
Crazy rule 2: 2 seasons a year
We need more playoffs. 2 30 game seasons each year with play offs and finals. Twice the playoff fun
Where do I start?
- eliminate the LeBron rules (superstar rules). He gets by with pretty much anything he wants to do, including bulling his way to the basket. Superstars also seem to be able to take, not one but two extra steps.
- enforce the traveling rules please. Usually, tucking the ball in your arms like a running back results in a travel but rarely gets called.
- agree with the DreamShake guy about correctly calling fouls when the shooter initiates contact with the defender after the shot. Hate that. (call it the Billups rule).
- a rule to minimize all the wrestling that goes on with the bigs. This has gotten so out of hand. And why isn’t holding on to a opposing player’s jersey a foul? Jeesh.
- follow the same rules in in the playoffs as in regular season.
- do something about the local guys in charge of the time clock, where they can cause a second to last an eternity. There was no way Brandon’s miracle shot against Houston
got off in time. Same with that shot LeBron took with one second remaining to win game two against Orlando.
The NBA is by far my favorite sport of them all but I could go on and on about the crappy rules and the enforcement of them. But for the sake of brevity, I’ll stop here.
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Maybe.
But shouldn’t they be given points for take-downs?
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I want choke slams and the peoples elbow and I will settle for nothing less.
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I have always wondered why there isn't an independant timekeeper provided by the league for all NBA games.
There is a big difference between 1.2 seconds and 1.9 seconds.
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by RenoBlazerFan on May 29, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
OFFENSIVE GOAL TENDING!!!
goal tending in general really torques me… object of game ? put ball in basket…. why are there rules about how you do this? always thought that was one of the dumber rules….
give me a 4th referree who’s job is to actually make the call after a 5 secon review during the five seconds after the floor ref’s choked on their whistles…. but this ref will sit up in a sky box and use film and have no whistle, but is an end all be all and can over ride any blown call…..
Consistancy from the silly ref’s…. tha’d be nice.
other than that it’d be the most perfect game in the world… oh…. reduce the fine for crackin a guy across the jaw for talkin smack……
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That was my main thought...
Offensive goal tending is a joke. Allow the offense to put the ball in the basket, especially if it is just sitting on the rim.
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seems obvious to me, too.
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by haildablazer on May 29, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
offensive goal tending makes sense to me...
it’s unfair to allow the offensive team to jump up and touch the ball when the defensive team can’t. it gives a significant advantage to the offense. if you want to allow the defense to get the ball from off the rim, then we can talk… but i don’t think many people would be willing to do that.
by ultimatefish on May 29, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The offense already has this advantage
They can grab a shot before it’s reached the cylinder above the rim, and put it in. See Patrick Ewing highlights (although, it could be a missed call).
The defense can’t do this, because after the ball is heading downwards, it’s goal-tending.
Should alley-oops that are projected towards the basket, as opposed to the side of the basket, be offensive goal tending? Although a subtle difference, there are occasions where alley-oops are directed on line with the rim and caught on the downward trajectory.
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by Quik_Baller on May 29, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly.... see more of my nonsense below
remember though I am pretty dumb ;)
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I was thinking more along the lines of....
the ONLY goaltend that should ever be called is the one where a point guard/guard shoots a three, (sergio style) and any given defenseman leaps and knocks the ball into the third row….or what have you…
once the ball touches the rim …it’s fair game for defenders and offensive players alike.
on D and on O….. hits the rim…it’s yours to take…..
my boggle about the “offensive” goal tend….. isn’t an ally oop an offensive goal tend?
why is it ok for the offenive personel to catch “shots” and throw them down….. mind you I’m not clear on what is a shot and what isn’t…. I mean anything “thrown” towards the hoop in my mind is a shot….. whether it leaves the players hands in a shooting motion or a passing motion would be illrelevant to me…. it’s up there…. he touched it…. offensive goal tending… right?
but yeah Defensive goal tending should only be called if the ball hasn’t touched the rim, or the defender sticks his hand through the cylinder to get it.
Offensive goaltending just needs to be hucked out of the rule book all together…. along with the silly hand checking rule….
but thems are my peeves about goaltending…. object of basketball get ball through hoop….. object of defense keep ball going thru hoop…. why we gotta have rules about how you do that…. it’s the object of the game so I beleive that any way neccisarry would ….. just result in better basketball…. and less complaints about the zebras…..
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* should be fair game for defenders .... (uh...second part between the "enters")
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I guess I agree with you, but I am willing to do that.
allow the defense to get the ball from off the rim
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I seem to remember hearing
that the NBA will adopt European-style goaltending rules. This should eliminate most calls of offensive goaltending, and many forms of defensive goaltending. You can still get called for goaltending (offensive or defensive) for interfering with a ball on its downward flight—but anything on the rim is fair game.
I further think that goaltending rules should be limited to shots taken from a certain distance—say, five feet—from the rim. (Either that, or goaltending only applies to shots that exceed the height of the top of the backboard in their trajectory). The main purpose of the goaltending rule is to prevent the defensive center from batting away jumpshots—that must remain intact—but if you go in and shoot a layup and it gets swatted, whether or not its a legal block shouldn’t be determined by whether its on its downward flight or not. Layups, putbacks, etc ought to be fair game for the defense—and likewise, fair game for another offensive player to assist.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
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off goal tending
was one of the wilt chamberlain rules. He was notorious for tipping in shots attempted by his teammates in an effort to pad his stats. He even used to do it before the ball bounced off the rim. If you remove offensive goaltending but keep defensive goaltending, it would allow bigs to get an unfair advantage by grabbing the ball on its way down and dunking for a high percentage play, while the defending bigs aren’t allowed to interfere once the ball is going down.
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by premthegrem on May 29, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
The offensive and defensive players
should have the same opportunity to interfere with a shot. A jumpshot on its downward flight should be left alone; but any ball on the rim (or any layup attempt at any point in its flight) should be fair game.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Beyond that, any time a ball was on the rim
unless you had a worthless big man, it’d be a guaranteed basket, since the defenders would have to wait for it to come out of the cylinder while any guy on offense could just jump up and stuff it through. Either you change the rules for both, or neither.
not really, I mean if the rule was the same for either side......
once the ball started bouncing on the rim after so and so shot it, and his center went up to “throw it down”, we’d have a joel there to just wack the ball off of the rim…. I think it’d be easier for the defender to “erase” the would be throw down than it would for the throw downee to actually get to the ball…..
I think for as many “throwdowns of missed shots” you’d also get plenty of swipes off the rim to fastbreaks….
the only goal tend being called would be the one off jumpshots…. but once it hits that rim it’s fair game….. and I guess ally oops would just be….. ?? legal still? just becuase they look so cool. and I think the “going for the ball” rule would …keep most defending centers/pf all over they’re man and actually boxing out might become part of the game again…. /s on that last part ;)
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there man.... lol... I suck and can't spell. forgive me ...donate some of my over pluncuation to the infamous fat one ;)
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puncuation?
lol…. yeah I suck bad.
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BUT!!!!!
then again….. no… yeah!!!
you’re defender would be concerned about boxing out….keeping the opposing center far enough away that they couldn’t just jump (with an over the back foul could be being called) and extend arm and push ball down…… and if the ball was still in the cylinder the defender wouldn’t just want to jump and swipe at it….cuz he could just knock it in… (I’m imagining a ball toiletbowling for eternity here) …..so …. boxing out and position would become more important again….
just rambling here so smack me and tell me to stop ;)
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I'd say it's about positioning at that point.
Yes, changing rules changes the tactics involved… but you’re basically trying to stop an alley-oop not by defending the pass, but by defending the position… which is really the easiest way to stop an alley-oop.
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by Quik_Baller on May 29, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
A flagrant foul for....
Sticking a foot under the jump shooter. We can all thank Bruce Bowen for starting this practice.
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i hate when people do that in pickup games
it’s happened to me.
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Freethrows should be one and one when in the penalty like in college ball.
Got to make the first one to get the second one.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I never understood that rule
You could foul a big man who is bad at shooting free throws all the time. Why punish him even more? And I want to see action, not more fouling.
but more fouling would mean fouling out....and who wants to play second stringers (besides portland) in the last few min ;)
no?
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I agree 100%
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That's a bit different because of the half vs. quarter structure.
Since college teams only play halves instead of quarters, you need to give them more fouls before they can be put in the penalty. And the one and one bonus is only applicable for a few fouls.
The 7th team foul for a college team means the other team is in the one and one bonus. Once a team gets their 10th foul in a half, the opposing team then shots two FT’s no matter what on every foul.
The only way to make that work for the NBA is if you count fouls for a whole half, rather than on a quarter by quarter basis. That would lead to there being a ton of free throws in the 2nd and 4th quarters of games.
I guess you could go by quarter and have 3 fouls sufficient for 1 and 1 and then 5 fouls be 2 FT’s, but again, you’d have a ton of free throw shooting instead of open play. It would severely slow the game down.
I understand your sense of fairness in making teams earn it, but I don’t think this is the right idea for the NBA just yet.
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hu? (as in agreement but confused)
I think I was thinking…..all shooting/ penalty fouls.. but that’s just me and I don’t pay attention to college rules enough to know what I’m talking about…
but all foul shots need to be one and ones……. ?? dunno what the ramifications would be …. second guessing it already so….
lol…
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Well, that's not really the way it's done in college, but you can do it that way.
In college, any shooting foul is two shots (or 3 FT’s if the foul was on a 3 point attempt). The only time 1 and 1 is done is in the penalty. And 1 and 1 only happens between the 7th and 10th foul.
I suppose you could have all fouls be 1 and 1, but seeing as how when you commit a shooting foul, you’re illegally stopping an attempt at 2 or more points, it would seem kinda unfair to limit their chances to get those points.
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3 for me
1. Mandatory retirement age for referees. International soccer does this, and while I’d hardly call the referees there the greatest in the world, applying the standard ensures that older guys can get cycled out without a scandal or animosity like would happen if the NBA were to suddenly announce Dick Bavetta is too old to ref. Sometimes this forces out the best refs like Collina, but that’s better than the alternative.
2. Relaxation of the rules on techs/flagrants. I almost feel like Sheed was ahead of his time with how soft some of the techs were he’d get for staring at an official. By all means, keep awarding T’s for aggression towards officials, but the strict “no taunting” policies are getting out of control. I hate Kobe, but does saying “you can’t guard me” to Battier really deserve a tech? As far as flagrants, there should be a few automatics (contact with the head, non-basketball play), but unless a guy just maims someone, if they’re clearly going for the ball, just call it a foul.
3. This will never happen, but widen the court. The internal dimensions of the court have changed throughout the years to accomodate larger big men like Wilt and Mikan, but the court has stayed the same size forever. Widening the court would make for better spacing inside, as help defenders would have to cover more ground to play the corner man and help on the big man or driving player down low.
Also, this would return the efficiency advantage to inside scoring. Currently the corner three is one of the most efficient shots in basketball, being the closest three pointer. Why should that be rewarded instead of team’s working it inside to a big or getting it into the lane? Of course, this isn’t my idea so much as Bill Walton and Jerry West’s, so I can’t really take credit here.
What if they made the court wider?
Then the corner three point line was moved out, creating a full arc.
That would create so much space in the post it could be awesome or ridiculous… speculation begins… NOW!
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half court shots
should be 4 pts.
ultimate drama!
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Actually that would be pretty cool. : )
Then we could draft a half-court specialist. He doesn’t play at all, until there are 2 seconds left in the game and we’re down by 3. Are we going for the tie and OT? Maybe…or we might just be hoisting a calculated prayer from halfcourt, baby!!!
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do I get the job….
(on the real though what would %ages look like for that shot?)
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also
8 fouls per player
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We'll call it the Oden Rule?
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by RenoBlazerFan on May 29, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Unbelievable!
These are the EXACT same three issues i’ve been complaining about for a couple of years now! The leaning into a foul during a shot thing is COMPLETELY bogus. Any other time youre on the court when YOU initiate contact its a foul on you, but magically you get to draw the foul when you initiate contact just because youre shooting a jumper?! Completely bogus. Glad i’m not the only one who thinks this is a completely backwards rule.
As for charging, its getting ridiculous. I am sick of seeing people who have already made up their mind theyre going for a layup/dunk or have even already picked up their dribble for their final step and a half (3 if you’re a few certain players) and then out of no where Trevor Ariza or some other clown with no real offensive talent slides in front of you and gets a foul called. Uh uh! No way ref! What do you think is going to happen? Thats a blocking foul, son…ALWAYS. No, we cannot be expected to watch the shooter separate himself at the atomic level and then re-constitute himself on the other side of the defender. The defender must CLEARLY be standing in his spot and the ‘offender’ must be clearly aware of his presence in that spot, because after all, the NBA’s rulebook does state that a player, when standing still, occupies that spot and may not be moved from that spot but from his own free will (or of course that of one of his own teammate’s).
As for post play…I fully agree, Luis Scola was like the invisible man out there, on a two-week trek with the sole goal of reaching the summit of Mt. Aldridge. Soggy Cow Pies, if you ask me. I don’t enjoy watching the offensive post player standing in his spot and his defender draped all over him like he’s the Phantom of the Opera, complete with Luis Scola Cape and Luis Scola Hand Mask.
by pdxlifer on May 29, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Awww, man!
No, we cannot be expected to watch the shooter separate himself at the atomic level and then re-constitute himself on the other side of the defender.
And here I was just about to publish this massive fanpost about how we should sign Dr. Manhattan.
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by haildablazer on May 29, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The refs
need to do alot better job on clutching fouls how many times have we seen the offensive player actually intiate and hold a defensive player and get the call. Also hustle plays do not have to have a whistle blown every time 2 players are going for a loose ball or contested rebound. These players are big and strong there is going to be contact. If a player clanks one off the rim and a guard for one team and a pf for the other are both trying to save the ball in bounds its OK if there is contact its in the natural flow of the game.
I guess in short let the players decide the outcome of the game not the refs its what we pay money to see.
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One of my pet peeves is that they figure the “heave” into the three-point shooting statistics. It’s easily removed from the shooting numbers, and is at other levels of competition.
It artificially deflates shooting percentages, namely of Sergio and Blake.
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by Cablinasian on May 29, 2009 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't eliminate it--but I would count them differently.
Desparation shots (from any distance, but with less than 1 second left on the shot or game clock) should have a separate statistical category. They should still be reported as FGAs and 3PAs if from distance—but it should be easy to look at the stats and subract them out.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Players would still not take them
they lose huge money by going from 40% to 37% from 3, so you’d better just not count them at all. The thing is, the NCAA already has this rule.
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YES
Agreed. Rec.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
To agree with Faith, offensive goal tending should be removed.
Allow players to put the ball in the basket.
And clarify traveling… the rule book is a joke on this.
There’s a lot of other small things, but most is okay.
As for what Tom Martin wants,
1. I think the pump-fake fouls have gotten better the past few years (Billups doesn’t get away with what Reggie Miller used too),
2. The charging foul is detailed correctly (but not called correctly all the time. it’s a tough call)
3. Should the same rules be applied to fronting or not? Offensive players can only push so much, and the defense can only grab so much. What’s there to clarify?
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Fix the reffing
Seriously, i think there’s a huge issue with reffing.
1.) Accountability
2.) Fresh blood brought up from the D-league and trained there.
3.) Consistency – Best method training and standarization.
4.) Ability to review plays (with restrictions in place so it’s not overly abused. three limit use or something)
5.) Allow people to play through more often.
6.) I like the retirement age suggested above, or testing for eye, hearing, coordination or whatever. You wouldn’t take an 80 year old player because the ability isn’t there, but you might take a 40 year old player if their skill level and experience/savvy is high.
7.) Openness in the picking of ref’s for games. Is it random for regular season? Is it based on some sort of correct call record over the season? It really should be.
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http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
1. Get rid of Conferences and Divisions
… and if not conferences, at least divisions. The “we’re going to make divisions matter more for playoff positioning” rules were the 180-degree wrong direction to take. The divisions don’t matter and nobody wants them to matter.
When I check the standings, if the web page gives me division standings default, I get annoyed and have to click on conference standings. In the old days, I’d have to make my own standings on a pad of paper just to figure out the de facto Conference standings.
All of this needs to end. Just make an equitable schedule wherein each team plays each of the other teams a fair number of times. (clarified by my next two changes)
Then – gasp – the top 16 teams make the playoffs. 1 v. 16, 2 v 15, etc. Play it!
2. Expand the number of teams to 32. It’s a power of 2, so it’s elegant. With two more cities involved in the NBA, more people get invested in the league. It’s also easier on scheduling as…
3. Reduce the number of regular season games to 62. Play each of the other 31 teams home and home. 62 games is enough to determine who should be seeded where. This will reduce wear and tear on the players bodies, leading (hopefully) to healthier players on the floor. More rested. Less injuries and exhaustion.
I’ve got lots more things I’d change, briefly:
4. less piped in music & noise at the arenas, especially the Rose Garden.
5. Give me my game time beer back. $8.50 for a drink might lead to more sober crowds, but many of us just scoff and figure we can have a beer when we get home. Or, for the price of two beers at the RG, I can go to freddies and get myself enough beer to put myself in the hospital. Either way – just make the beers a fair price.
6. Force Donald Sterling to sell the Clippers and let the franchise move to a city that needs one. Like Seattle. Or Pittsburgh. (Or Portland after Allen rips our Blazers away to ‘heal’ Seattle and reduce his and Nate’s commute.)
I might be posting again later… I’d change a lot of things.
Getting rid of divisions and conferences...
is very interesting.
More so, a true 1-16 seeded tournament would be crazy sweet.
Or maybe if they keep divisions/conference have each division winner get an automatic bid, while filling in the rest of the spots with the best records.
I like it all ready.
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This would get rid of one of the most frustrating aspects of the NBA
The fact that in the east you could get into the 6 spot going 41-41 is pretty ridiculous. If we did playoff seeding using league standings instead of conferences you would see more interesting games because the actual best teams would be in the playoffs. It would make the playoffs more legitimate. The purpose of them is to find the best team. Just because one team is in a weaker conference should not give them a leg up on a stronger team in a more competitive conference.
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by BRoyTheNatural on May 29, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
but you can only do a single 1 to 16 seeding (mixing both conferences) if the teams play a balanced schedule (Each team plays 41 games against teams in each conference). Otherwise you are just trading one set of unfair practices for another set of unfair practices.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Independent referees
I could go on a huge rant here, but I’ll just say that this would solve most of the problems people have with officiating.
like? they all advertise themselves and get picked up from the corner much like some illegals (and some naturals) do for field work?
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rules changes
1. Take away the inbounding the ball in the back court from the front court in the final 2 minutes.
Teams that play good defense are not being rewarded and how many times have we seen a team with a lead just throw the ball backwards to get it in. You play regularly in the other 44 minutes. Just get rid of it.
2. Teams with the lead cannot move the ball into the front court on a timeout inside the final 2 minutes of the half. You have the lead, play like you need to win.
3. Institute five second calls once the ball has passed half court.
We have this for in the post back-downs, why not the whole half court. How many times have we seen players waste time for a one-on-five. This would force players to pass and make quick decisions. It would not prevent one-on-one situations because the player would have to make their play early.
4. Add a yellow light for the shot clock on the backboard. The shot clock is too far out of the sight line for the officials, but the different color would help fans and referees.
5. Allow two coach challenges per game, with a third if the calls are right. This could only be on possession changes (ball going out of bounds) or shot clock violations (shot off in time or not, which would lead to does the basket count or not). Not used on end of half or quarter shots. If the coach is wrong, they lose a timeout (20 or full).
by mimflyer436 on May 29, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree on #2 and 4
- - I don’t like challenges – as you describe it, which is how it works in Football, you end up with an extra time out if they get it right. There are too many time outs already. The refs are human and their mistakes add depth to our experience.
On inbounding, I’d generally agree that they shouldn’t allow moving the ball (#2). However, I don’t see any problem with letting them use the whole court, and I don’t like rule changes for the final parts of the game.
On number 3, if you don’t want the guy wasting time, double him. I’d love to see the Blazers stop focusing entirely on BRoy dribbling down to 5 seconds then driving, but I don’t think artificial rules are the way to do it.
Guaranteed contracts.
The fact that guys that don’t play continue to bog down the SC’s of teams that would otherwise be able to move on (there should be a penalty for termination and protection to some extent for the players) hurts the league a ton!
by The Penguin on May 29, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Teams shouldn't have idiots in the front office (Nash, Isiah+Dolan)
I’m with the players on this one; injuries happen, coaches change and favor different guys, teams decide to “rebuild”. NBA careers are very short and I can see guys wanting to lock in security.

The big problem has been idiots in front offices offering big, long tern guaranteed contracts to marginal players. Darius Miles had never been a starter when Nash game him that insane deal. Steve Francis and Starbury were known cancers, yet teams offered them big deals.
Contracts are market driven
and I am talking more about CBA level structuring than the decisions people make within that structure.
In the NFL, contracts are not guaranteed, so players that hurt their teams (by breaking the law, playing up in a contract year and then slacking off, disruptive behavior) cannot bog down a teams payroll as much, and it works well.
I agree that the good guys need some protection, but it’s pretty silly that Steve Francis, Raef, and Darius combined were paid almost as much as all the active players combined.
Generally good suggestions
Thoughts on the Dreamshake post:
1. I think Kobe does it more than Billups, but every smart player, including BRoy and Rudy do it and it is stupid. I completely agree with his suggestions. If you have to move into a player who is in the air to draw contact, it should be an offensive foul.
I’d expand that one to say that if the offensive player initiates the contact (anywhere on the floor), it can’t be a foul on the defender. That would also take care of blocking fouls inside the “restricted area” because someone has his heel on the line.
2. This one just requires the refs to be more consistent and let a bit more contact go. I’d generally like to see a little more contact allowed.
3. He was actually some what fair, saying Pryz got called for nothing sometimes. The refs clearly didn’t know how to call post positioning and were all over the map. If defining what is ok and what isn’t helps, I’m for it. However, I’d hate to see fine print rules change the entire way the game is played.
Automated Reffing
Things like stepping out of bounds and not beating a shot clock could be called accurately with computers right now. That would free up the refs’ eyeballs to spend more time looking at more important things. Eventually more and more types of calls could be made by computer, and we’d have truly objective reffing.
No more bail out calls
Call it the D-Wade rule-I got sick of him in the Finals just flinging himself into the lane with little chance of getting a decent shot off, knowing that someone would bump him and he’d go to the line. t Kinda goes with not letting the offensive player jump into the defender after a pump fake.
I actually like how the NBA interprets the block/charge call nowadays-it used to be that the defender had to be a total statue, which is all but impossible. I think the defender has just as much right to a spot on the court as the offensive player, so if he gets his body there first and the offensive players runs into him, that should be a charge.
Ties should go to the man with the ball
or else be a no-call.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Appreciate the kind words, Dave
The Dream Shake
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My improvements
1) Cheap beer in the arena. Each ticket should entitle you to one free pint; if you bring children to the game, you get to drink theirs. Subsequent beers should cost no more than $5 a pint—what I would expect to pay in a really nice restaurant.
2) Less, er, clutter on the cheerleaders.
3) The court should be lubed like a bowling lane, and the players forced to wear really ugly shoes. Ben would lose his favorite hobby, of course, but the game would be more fun to watch—like football in the snow.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions
Oh, you mean SERIOUS improvements
Sorry, but I’m not limiting myself to 3. (Boo!)
1) Allow more checking on the perimeter. It shouldn’t be a rugby match out there—no holding—but the present rules give too much advantage to the attacker.
2) Further consolidation with the international rules—ideally, FIBA and NBA rules should be the same, other than things like length of game.
3) No advancing the ball on a time-out.
4) One-and-one for nonshooting fouls in the penalty. Coaches should have the option to “decline the penalty” if a poor foul-shooter is fouled (at any point in the game)—but if they do so, no foul is charged to the defender, and the shot clock is where it was left when the whistle blew.
5) No free-throws on a loose ball foul or offensive foul, even if in the bonus. A foul should be assessed, but the penalty here is loss of possession. Foul shots should only awarded to the offensive team when a foul is committed by the defense—either while shooting, or for fouls on the floor in the penalty.
6) No rule-changes in the last two minutes—basketball should be the same throughout the game. I.e.—if a team doesn’t use any of its fouls-to-give in a quarter (or half—see next one), it should be entitled to take as many fouls on the floor as it has available. (This doesn’t apply to timekeeping; just to the rules on the floor).
7) The penalty should be determined on a half-by-half basis. Rather than after five fouls in a quarter; teams should enter the penalty after 8 or so fouls in a half, just like in the NCAA (Perhaps 10, given that NBA halves are longer). There should still be quarters; just no reset of the foul count after Q1 and Q3 are over.
8) A rule for GO: If a game goes into OT, 3OT, 5OT—the number of fouls needed to be disqualified goes up by one. Players who already have fouled out don’t get to come back, though. Also, each OT period should be six minutes—exactly half of a quarter.
9) Referee choice instant replay—refs get to choose when to review a call or no-call; not coaches or players.
10) As others have said—leaning into the defender on a jumpshot should not result in a foul on the defender (it should be a no-call, not a charge; with a traveling violation called if no shot is gotten off). Intentionally interfering with a jumpshooter’s ability to land should be a flagrant foul.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the OT foul rule
I could totally support that.
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I like it too
except that when the number of fouls for disqualification goes up, let the previously-disqualified player come back in. – Elgin
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#4 is awesome--
the coach declining a foul is brilliant.
Reno. So close to hell you can see Sparks.
by RenoBlazerFan on May 29, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
thoughts
4) I like the option to decline the foul shots. But I think the defender should be charged with a foul regardless, and the shot clock should reset to 14 like it does now. In short, the offensive team gets to decide (after the bonus is in play) whether they want the two shots or the ball on the side. Nothing else changes. I like this a lot. Pretty much kills the hack a shaq strategy, which is a good thing. Also adds some interest at the end of the game situation. Do you take the two free throws, or take it out on the side, with the risk being a turnover, and the reward being able to run more clock.
5) offensive fouls don’t grant free throws now. I agree with you on the loose ball fouls change though.
6) agreed.
7) disagree. last thing i want to see is more FT shooting.
8) like both of these. 1 extra foul per extra OT is good. like the 6 minutes too. or maybe just cut it to 4 minutes
9) agree, but only on stuff like clocks, lines, who touched an out of bounds ball last, and such. I never want to see judgement call (foul) reviews. That is just a pandora’s box.
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"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Remove "foul out" rule
Lots of good points being discussed, but perhaps removing the “foul out” rule would help unburden a lot of the way the refs are calling the game. A most excellent article featuring late basketball guru Pete Newell’s take on the issue can be found here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/28/SPC9R8T8K2.DTL
Without the extreme penalty of expulsion from the game on the sixth foul, you might see more fair and consistent treatment for every player.
I agree with a lot of the other comments, especially not calling offensive initiated contact a foul on the defender even if the defender is in the restricted area.
eh, i dunno
terrible free throw shooters would just be hacked to bits every time they touched the ball. You’d have to make a rule change about choice of shooter at some point after a limit. Plus I imagine this does absolutely nothing in the way of shortening games as teams are more likely to foul hard on every layup/dunk/gimme shot since youre way more likely to get 1 of 2 from the line when the alternative is a guaranteed deuce (unless youre greg "butterfingers’ oden). This slows the game down way too much. If you can stay in the game for anything short of physical abuse or whatever constitutes a tech these days, there would be a huge spike in FTA as a whole, i’m thinking at least 75-80 on average.
additionally
after reading the proposed rule taken from the article and Pete Newell’s suggestion, that penalty does way too much. I dont see anything wrong with a player being removed from the game for committing to many illegal infractions…it really doesn’t happen that often anyway. Sure it causes players to sit. But coaches would do the exact same thing anyway, not wanted to get their stars too close to the ridiculous 2 shots plus ball penalty. Isn’t that the flagrant foul penalty anyway? What do you get for a flagrant foul then? 4 shots and 2 straight possessions?
I kind of like the
“every foul beyond six earns a technical” rule—which does come into force if a team is ever forced to play a disqualified player due to less than five players being available.
You can leave the guy on the floor after six, but if he commits a seventh foul (or more), the other team gets a technical free throw (which may be shot by anyone) in addition to the penalty associated with the play.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this ... or, if not, then ...
anybody who has fouled out in regular time gets to come back in overtime with a couple more fouls to give.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008 and Steve Blake since last week..
my pet peeves
A few things I would like to see:
Totally agree with assessing technical foul to floppers when caught. Subjective but enforcing a penalty should limit how often flopping happens
Call offensive foul when players use their off arm/elbow to push off or create space. There are many players now who do this(Kobe, Carmelo and BRoy to some extent) and it is generally used when being defended well. Defenders get called for hand-checking and offensive players should be called for something similar.
Use instant replay if charge/block call in post area only if needed to determine whether defending player on the circle. They use replay when looking at feet placement for 3 pointers and could use it for charge/block.
I hate the 6 fouls and you're out rule...
Basketball is the only sport where you have to leave the game if you commit too many fouls. Why not let the players stay in the game, and every foul after 6 you get 2 shots plus the ball or something.
I also hate the floppers and players sliding under a guy trying to take a charge, man up!
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Here are mine:
1. Institute a technical foul for flopping. An attempted charge-draw is not a flop, but the whole ridiculous Euro-soccer-flop-on-simulated-contact trend needs to be harshly eliminated.
2. Stop calling technical fouls for on-floor contact. A loose ball foul is a loose ball foul — call them as such. Technicals are for unsportsmanlike conduct ONLY.
3. Ditch the automatic suspensions for technicals in the playoffs. These rules ONLY impact teams that go into the Finals, when they should NOT come into play. The league knows it has a problem here, which is why they have been rescinding Ts like mad men late in the playoffs. Enough already — just admit that the automatic suspension rule in the playoff was ill conceived.
4. Solidify the flagrant foul rules. NORMAL HARD CONTACT should NOT be a flagrant foul. DANGEROUS hard contact or UNNECESSARY VIOLENT contact not directed AT THE BALL should be.
That’s four.
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One thing I would like to see is the 3 second rule enforced.maybe we need a ref that watches the key area he can be in charge of watching the restricted area and players moving in and out of the key,
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The NBA should actively track egregious flops
At the end of each month, players who are noted floppers (Varejao, Nocioni, Raja Bell, etc.) are then forced to endure a 30 minute steel cage match with Ron Artest.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
Foul Shot Parades Gone
I’m not a big fan of the late-game foul-for-possession strategy. I feel that the last few minutes of a game drag on way too late with a commercial every 30 seconds and timeouts, fouls, and free throws just taking way too long. If you watch old school games you see that the games went much faster at the ends.
This is my idea for changing that scenario: make all non-shooting fouls in the last few minutes of the game (besides the foul to give) result in one foul shot and the ball back. Simple rule, major acceleration of the end of games. Who wants to watch free throws decide a game? Not me.
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This is a change I have been waiting for
I am tired of teams stretching the last minute of the game. The strategy only very rarely works and just makes fans leave the arena or change the channel. If we put this rule in place the players would actually have to work for their comeback and we would see some really crazy plays for sure.
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by BRoyTheNatural on May 29, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
mine are non-basketball related for the most part
The NBA’s biggest problems are not with the actual game of basketball. It’s biggest problems are:
1. The Salary Cap is too big. Players make entirely too much, which leads owners to charge more for tickets (at least that’s the logic behind the ridiculously high ticket prices). If that means the season needs to be shorten then so be it.
2. They need a legitimate drug testing program administered by a third party, that holds both the player and the league responsible for violations. I want to have faith that this isn’t a problem, but faith only takes me so far, beyond that I need facts.
Those are the two big ones. The last one would probably be:
3. Consistent officiating. For me this has only gotten worse this post season. What is a foul anymore? I have no idea and I doubt the players know either, heck I doubt the refs know what I foul is. I don’t really care what they decide on as long as it’s consistent for the entire length of the game and equal for everyone in the game.
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by Work?nah... on May 29, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Minor Leagues
on several different talent levels like MLB. Expand the roster size to allow populating the lower leagues. Give the kids a chance to play rather than riding the bench all season. Like last season – Bayless could have been on our minor league team and played every game – we could have called him up when Blake went down. Shav would get to play, Ruffin would get to play.
This would allow rescinding the one year of college rule. These kids don’t need college per se, they need coaching and experience against similar competition. College is important to some of the players (JJack, Oden & others) and maybe there could be bonuses in their contracts for completing a degree or a certain number of credits.
It would also allow more roster flexibility. We didn’t go for the medical exception for Raef (if we were eligible) but since he didn’t even stay in town it was silly to have him count against our 15 man roster. Currently his spot would have been used by yet another bench warmer, but with a minor league we could have been developing one more youngster or letting an older guy play out his career.
who heartedly agree
with committing to a minor league system. It seems that the current system is bad for both the NBA and the NBDL when it does not have to be. As a first attempt why not model it after something successful like MLB’s minor league system?
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
As a person interested in free market solutions
I ask if there is a good way to apply this to reffing.
Since the goal of refs is to make good calls based on the rules, maybe a system could be a in place where after the game the an independent group goes over the entire game with a fine tooth comb and counts all the good calls and bad calls and keeps an eye out for no calls as well. Then we have a pay system based on their performance for each game. In addition make all of this available online so that the process is completely transparent.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
That's something like what I suggested
although i didn’t have it as independent. I’d totally support something along those lines.
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But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
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Blasphemous old school rule change - eliminate the 3 pt. shot
To my way of thinking the 3 pt. shot makes no sense. A player has a foot on the line and that shot suddenly is, what 33% (or whatever the math is) easier? Though I’m sure my point can be refuted with statistical facts, my impression is that the NBA has been struggling to increase scoring ever since they instituted that line.
I also believe a team should not benefit from breaking the rules, ie. committing fouls. And yet with the 3 pt. line a team can immediately foul on the inbound (and the opponent hits their 2 shots) and still make up ground and win by hitting 3’s even if their opponent follows the rules and doesn’t foul. Sure, it’s exciting but it unbalances the game.
When I started watching the NBA the penalty was 3 to make 2 (which truly discourages fouling), a field goal was worth 2 points, a free throw one point and games always ended in the 100’s.
That’s what I’d like to see.
I admire your courage for suggesing this.
But I think the real reason the 3 point shot was instituted was to keep defensive teams from packing the paint so much. It was slowing down the movement of the game and was resulting in a premium being placed on big guys and diminished the value of smaller, athletic, quick, good shooting players.
But I do remember being opposed to adopting the 3 point shot which as I recall, we took from the ABA.
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Change to the NBA
Move the Sonics back to Seattle.
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add 2 more refs...
….and place them in stationary positions at both ends of the court. When one is in motion, one loses perspective for the infractions that may or may not be occurring. I think part of the reason the officials are so suspect (outside of that whole one of them was fixing games thing) is that they are not objective observers, but rather are reacting to the action on the court. Having an individual who remains still and observes on either end could serve to clean up the game and make it more consistent.
Oh, and if someone would please slap some humility into David Stearn, that would be FANTASTIC!
Fire Mark Mason. He's a dork, and he projects that we are ALL dorks
Fire Brian Wheeler. Homers suck.
Trade Trout, or sign someone reliable to soak up his minutes.
....Now I'm done
How bout taking something from hockey?
Substitutions on the fly. You have to wait on the bench until someone your replacement makes it to the bench, and then you can run right in. No more waiting for timeouts or stoppages to get the guys you want in there. Too many men on the court is already a technical foul. Why not put it to better use? :)
Yes! Yes! In the face!
take it further
i’m sick of all the hardwooding that goes on in the NBA. Please, no more cherry-picking! 3 line passes should be outlawed. I mean, come on, the hoop isnt even permanently defended!
If we're gonna borrow rules from hockey
legalize fights. And replace the out-of-bounds line with a big glass wall; bouncing the ball off the wall is perfectly legal, as is checking someone into it.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Back in the old days, well before I was born.....
….didn’t people use to play games in full cages? Seriously, I heard they used to completely enclose the court in a massive cage link fence. That might be interesting to do with boards and glass walls. Though I fear that this might be just some trampolines away from becoming Slamball. :)
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Another thing you could take from hockey: The Penalty Box.
This is a delightful idea that is not used nearly enough in other sports. There are a number of ways you could integrate this in the NBA. Instead of someone fouling out, you can put them in the penalty box. Maybe you could even give coaches an option. After 5 fouls, all fouls committed by a player force a trip to the box. Otherwise, in lieu of taking say a 4th foul in the first half, a team could choose to send their man to the penalty box for a short period of time, there by lessening the chance of it happening late in the 4th quarter.
There’s a number of other possible uses to include it that I’m sure I’m not thinking of.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
In hockey, the penalty lasts
for the designated time, or until the non-penalized team scores a goal, whichever comes first.
While playing 5-4 would be a big advantage on both ends of the court, how would that work in hoops? It’s much easier to get a good shot in basketball than it is in hockey.
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by EngineerScotty on May 29, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yah, it certainly couldn't be two minutes.
That would be far too long of an advantage. I think 45 seconds might be the right amount of time. Gives the team with the advantage at least two chances to have the ball with the extra player.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
And I also would have it last the full allotted time.
Getting a bucket in the NBA is not as big as scoring a goal in the NHL.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Use penalty time instead of fouling out.
Sorry to back up my other thought about removing foul outs, but this got me thinking. On a player’s sixth foul, instead of being removed permanently from the game, what if they had to sit out a specific amount of time instead. For example, on the sixth foul, you must sit for at least two minutes of game clock. Each foul after could be for the same amount of time or add 30 seconds per foul. For example, on the seventh foul, you must sit for 2’30" and on the eighth for 3’. The teams wouldn’t play with a man down, but the person who is serving the penalty can’t come back in until the first stoppage after their penalty time is up. A technical can also be assessed for personal fouls over six. It would definitely add a new element. Also just think of the anticipation if it’s a star who is serving the penalty.
Consistancy
The one thing that would alleviate everyone’s anger would have to be consistency. If the refs want to call it tight, fine, but call it tight for both teams all game. Every single game I see similar plays, one where the foul is called and one where it is not. This does not even factor in different games! The refs need to get together a more clearly define fouls and when/when not to call them. They would save themselves a ton of ridicule and take the guess work out of “how physical the refs will let us play”.
Instant Replay
There have been many instances in the season where the officials have gotten calls wrong. Allowing Coach’s challenges like the NFL would make the game more fair.
by tcwoods on May 29, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just add more instant replay
Have a team use a timeout to ask the refs to review a play so it doesn’t get out of hand, but there is NO reason that the refs shouldn’t review close calls, especially near the end of the game, and especially if a team is willing to use up one of their more valuable resources to simply get a chance at the play looked at more objectively, while not in the heat of the moment, and with better viewpoints.
The NFL was improved IMMENSELY by allowing the refs to use instant replay if it was close. Why can’t the NBA follow?
Also, if a player flops too much, and more importantly, really obviously flops, the NBA should be able to give a warning to that player. Don’t need to fine, don’t even need to penalize, but a warning means that the refs know that this guy has a history of flopping, and will watch closely on plays involving that player. What this would do is leave players that occasionally flop alone, but really crack down on those perpetual floppers that everyone hates.
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by TheGreatMon on May 29, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My three plus extras
1. Enforce the traveling rule as it’s written. No more crab dribbles, no more lazy strolls across the lane and no more dancing under the basket.
2. Allow “goal-tending.” Who cares if the ball is on its way down? The defense should be able to stop it from going in.
3. Every foul past the fifth one earns the fouled player two or three shots plus the ball. I’d like to see Oden play as many minutes as his conditioning allows and don’t like coaches taking dudes out in the first quarter due to foul trouble.
Extras:
4. Call the game the same for every player. No more “Oh no, Kobe missed a shot. He must’ve been fouled” calls. No more “Wade tossing the ball at the basket after barreling down the lane” calls.
5. Call moving picks.
6. Timeouts do not let you advance the ball. If you call a TO in the backcourt then you get to start with the ball there.
7. No intentional contact allowed between players. Basketball is ideally a non-contact sport. That means no hand on the back of a dude backing down.
Rescind the handchecking rules
Let guards play D. Keep big men out of foul trouble. Shaq could never have gotten to the legendary status he enjoys if he was playing with the same retarded rules that Oden and Howard are having to play with. (I know Howard is doing well despite, and Oden hasn’t, but look at the experience differential before you disagree. Howard as a rookie in the same situation would probably perform the same)
It might lower the scoring averages again, but seriously, do we really need teams scoring 150+ in a regulation game consecutively? No, even if they are fun to watch. Let the game be about skill again.
Blazers win!
Oh, and:
In overtime games, all players who haven’t fouled out are given 2 more fouls. So if Oden has played regulation with 5, now he has 2 more for overtime, to continue to be a presence. Games that go to double and triple overtime run the risk of >5 players on the floor for a team if it’s been a particularly physical game, and sometimes a team doesn’t have all 12 active players in uniform, so with people fouling out left and right, it makes sense to have extra fouls to use.
Players who foul out before the end of regulation are still dq’d.
Blazers win!
I haven't thought this out...
so maybe the idea really blows. How about they add a fourth ref who was employed by the player’s association?
So he said in himself: "O vilest of those wherefor was made the byword: 'The pilgrimage is not perfected save by copulation with the camel!"' Richard Burton, Arabian Nights

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