Answering My Own Questions
We've run a series of questions this week (with one more yet to go) but other than posing the queries, I've basically let the conversation run with promises to give my view later. Well, later would be now. So here we go.
Last weekend we asked for three Blazer names: the name of the Blazer you thought most likely to be traded, the name of the Blazer you wanted to see traded most, and the name of the Blazer you thought everyone else would mention in this trade talk that you think shouldn't be there.
The choice of who was mostly likely to be traded was difficult for me. I'm going to settle on Sergio Rodriguez just because the path seems so straight in so many ways right now. He wants out. He's performed decently but not spectacularly. We've got another young option at point guard with (as my friend Mr. Golliver reminds me) the possibility of another via this year's draft. Most of all, I don't think there's any way on God's green earth that we go into next year with the same point guard rotation we had this year. We need more experience at back-up, whether that's getting a veteran reserve or getting a starter and moving Steve Blake to the second unit. Either way there's only room for one of our young guys. Somebody has got to go.
I actually think there's a chance Jerryd Bayless will be moved this summer simply because his value is higher. I doubt he'd draw a ton of attention on his own but packaged with a Frye or Outlaw he becomes extremely attractive. Sergio just doesn't have the same draw outside of a couple, specific teams. Jerryd would be my second choice for most likely, for all of the reasons mentioned above.
Nevertheless, naming just one guy, it's Sergio.
The guy I most want to see traded is easy for me: Channing Frye. It's not so much because of his play. It's certainly not because of his personality. I've mentioned before that he's the perfect Blazer everywhere but on the court. Under different circumstances I would love to see Channing stay here. But the Blazers can't utilize him fully and that's not good for him or the team. He's too young, too talented, and too stuck behind LaMarcus Aldridge to be here. He doesn't give us an appreciably different look at reserve power forward and he doesn't get enough minutes to showcase his talent. He could easily be playing 25-30 minutes per game somewhere. If he were 8 years further along in his career and looking for a career-crowning ring I'd love to have him. But he can't spend the next 8 years being a seldom-used understudy. He needs that chance to prove himself. I want him to get that chance. I want a team to get value out of him. If they can return some value to us in the process so much the better. But unless something drastic and unexpected happens with LaMarcus, Channing shouldn't be a Blazer this time next year.
The third name I had the most problems with of all. Perusing the lists people came up with in the thread (which were very good, by the way, as was the discussion) I have a hard time disagreeing with any of them. This is the first time in a while when the names we speculate should or might be traded actually are the names that could be traded. That shows our roster is solidifying. In any case I'm going to take the lame way out and say the guy on some other people's lists that shouldn't be there is "nobody". I understood letting the cake bake last season even though you knew it would probably cost us a chance to go as far as we might have with veterans. In actuality the Blazers got a lot farther than I thought they would, so bravo for the right move in that sense. But I think the time for figuring out is over. You know what you have in most of these players. More to the point you know what you yet need. It's time to fill some of those needs definitively. This roster still isn't balanced. We still have too many young guys in need of developmental time. You have to make a move sometime. If you lose a forward and/or point guard playing spot minutes now in order to get a guy you know brings a new wrinkle and will be in the rotation for the next couple years that's a good move.
The next question of the week was how important this 2009 draft is to the Blazers. We covered this in yesterday's podcast some. In most senses I believe this draft is only mildly important, and not just because we're talking the #24 selection instead of a lottery pick. The value of youth is going to be downplayed for the next couple of years as this team seeks to make serious noise in the playoffs. The major players are set. Most of the starting spots are filled or stocked with possible candidates. Point guard is the exception but I've already shared my feelings about banking on a rookie point guard and riding the growth curve with him for the next 3-5 years. There aren't that many waves left to be made. You're probably talking about drafting an eventual back-up player. That could become critical down the road. You might be able to get a nice piece. But it's still a back-up player.
I was serious on the podcast when I said the Blazers might simply get stuck using the 24th pick. They may not be willing to part with the assets it would take to move up to a premium spot. They may not find anyone that attractive in the middle round. They may not find any attractive offers to take 24 off of their hands either. I don't think the Blazers want to be stuck using that pick, but they may not see a better alternative.
If an alternative does present itself, I'd bet it would come in the form of buying a pick from someone or using the Ruffin trade exception rather than trading the 24th selection for a higher one.
I think the draft could show more about management's assessment of the current roster than their assessment of whatever player they select. If they pick at 24 or trade out that's not much of a clue. But if they trade up to get somebody it'll show where they think changes need to come. If they move up to take a point guard somebody else is moving. It'll be one of the young guys. Drafting a point guard would mean that the team has confidence in Steve Blake at the helm this year or they have a deal in the works for a starter. If they move up to take a forward then somebody else could be moving.
Again, though, my guess is that they'll pick at 24, signifying not much else could be done, and the selection won't signify much other than this was the best player they figured they could get at that position. That's why I doubt this draft will bring earth-shaking news or changes.
The final question was identifying the most crucial issue the Blazers will address this summer. I want to say point guard and I will say that if we're talking about things management has control of or can change. I'd be willing to bet that Nate will flat-out mutiny if some veteran help isn't forthcoming.
But to me even that issue pales in comparison to the continued development of Greg Oden. Greg has to keep the weight down, continue to strengthen his base, and work on his lateral movement, his low post footwork, and his spins and hooks. If Oden comes into camp in shape, ready to play, and dedicated to kicking butt in the league this year this team becomes pretty scary. If he's not looking any better than he did at the end of last season, or worse has regressed, the Blazers will be treading water this year trying to match their 2008-09 performance. This team needs to leap ahead, if not in win total at least in style and consistency of play, and the biggest potential leap comes in the person of Greg Oden. He's followed by Martell Webster, Nicolas Batum, Rudy Fernandez, and Jerryd Bayless but even those four worthies can't match his potential impact on the 2009-10 season.
So there you have it, all of the answer you could wish to the questions of the week. Feel free to tell me where I'm wrong in the comments.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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The one thing that sticks with me
is nobody thought the 25th pick was important last year and we got terrific value in Batum. Same for Rudy at 24 the year before.
I agree with your reasoning and am still excited to see what develops.
"What's so interesting is that this team took on a dynamic that was very special. I don't think we as a group, in terms of management, coaches and players, realize what we did as a young team. We broke all the metrics. We broke all the molds. Our challenge is can we continue to do that. As young of a team with 54 wins, no issues off the court, phenomenal chemistry." - Kevin Pritchard
Excellent points!
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
those drafts were "deeper" than this year's draft is believed to be.
Sixty-percent of the time, it works one-hundred percent of the time.
by rudydrops3s on May 30, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Channing Frye will be non-tendered, lose his Bird rights, and enter unrestricted free agency.
Once Frye’s Bird rights are kaput, the only realistic sign-and-trade option becomes Raef LaFrentz.
Dave knows something we don't
apparently Channing is getting resigned to a new deal that works with a trade involving he and Bayless for an improvement at the PG or back-up PF spots. Secrets… I see thru ’em.
I AM A PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SUPPORTER.
Channing brings out my paternal instincts
Ok I don’t have any kids and he’s only a year younger than me but I love the guy.
Shame he’s never turned it on the the blazers but I agree he deserves another shot with a team who could actually use him. We don’t need a LMA v0.1 we need a banger.
Lets hope greg starts out banging aswell next season, we need to start bringing that physical game, if only to give us a shed load of open 3’s. A balance would be nice.
Good point about losing Frye
And without just saying, “Channing sucks,” because in fact he doesn’t suck. He may be uneven but he has played very well for long stretches.
Follow-up question for Dave, however:
Do you foresee the Blazers getting any value for Frye if he leaves, or does he just walk away? How would that happen?
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008 and Steve Blake since last week..
I'm warring with this one
On the one hand it makes better economic sense to let him walk. If he stays on the team his salary turns into a huge, space-killing cap hold until he signs a new contract. If he gets into the summer he’ll likely want to test the waters in restricted free agency, which means he won’t be signing a new deal soon. The Blazers can’t let that happen. So it makes sense just to release him by not tendering him an offer at all.
On the other hand you don’t want to lose any asset without getting something back. Channing could be worth something yet. He’s a young player with height, a jump shot, and maybe some rebounding ability. He can play a lot of places. If the Blazers could guarantee that he’d sign whatever offer they made right away so his salary cost them only the actual amount instead of the hold, I could see them re-signing him and then looking to move him later.
The way the qualifying offer works for him is that the Blazers can rescind it at any time if they see a better prospect available. That may work in the favor of the latter scenario. They could proffer him an offer knowing that it’s not binding until signed.
—Dave
Very sound reasoning Dave.
I surely agree with you on Greg Oden. I have my doubts though that it will materialize as per your fantasy description (we can only hope). It isn’t like he chose to stay around in Portland this summer to work on his game. The game he’s working on involves college girls. He’ll also have to stay healthy next year.
Next most important for development I feel is Batum. We need him on the court to play defense against a number of top tier players. Nate therefore needs to incorporate him into the offense more so that he isn’t considered a liability there. With Joel starting along with Nic it was often mentioned we were playing 3 offensive players against the 5 on defense. I didn’t necessarily agree with that as I think Joel is a little bigger offensive threat than given credit for. Next year, it will likely be Oden starting who of course is a much better offensive threat. So that eliminates part of that problem. Still, post up Batum (which is the screen name of a Bedge poster) and do other things to involve him a little more in the offense (Batum that is, not the Bedge poster).
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
TwoDeep Batumless Pit (and other such puns)
Yeah I agree TwoDeep, I’d love to see Nic involved more in offense.
He has the length and ability to score at the low post and he did go through a phase of monstrous dunks but that seemed to wear off towards the end of the season. Obviously he was in his rookie year and may not have shown for or been trusted with much offensively but I think/hope that will change a little next year. Whether this happens naturally or whether nate needs to bring him into plays more I’m not sure.
The other question is whether Martell comes into the first unit. I hope Nic continues to start next year with Martell and Joel in the second unit. I Agree that Joel and Nic maybe lack a little offensively at the moment (though I also agree the Przy is underated in that department). So it seems to be more balanced to me to have Martells greater offensive threat matched with Joel. Though whether Martell can get over his consistency problems we’ll see.
Spot on
Im just not sure that there is not a little draft day magic left in the tank. Teams will be getting pretty desperate by that point to cut some salery, a team over the luxery tax may be willing to do a Gasol like deal to free up some coin.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.
Batum
is built like Tayshaun Prince, and if he grows to play like him, we are set at that spot…..might we trade both Webster and Outlaw as well as either Sergio, Frye or the 24th pick to Detroit for Prince with the idea he is our starter and Nics mentor for 2-3 years then when we release him, Nic is his clone?
As for Greg, I have seen no reason to question his effort, and think maybe we find a Mutumbo…..a late 30’s early 40’s mentor who can play third string but whose main job is teaching Greg
At point, if Bayless is the man, we need to trade both Blake and Sergio and get a quality veteran starter for the position….if he is not, we need to trade him and Sergio, draft a prospect pg, and trade for a veteran, moving Blake to 2nd string…..Blake played well a lot of the time, but got schooled too often, and will be coming off of surgery.
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by Norsktroll on May 29, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see us trading Bayless this summer
There’s a lot of potential there and we gave him very playing time. It is my honest opinion that he was a top 5 pick last year and a better PG prospect than all of this years players besides Rubio. That’s the type of move that will bite you in the ass a few years on. Especially if we move him for a Heinrich/Miller caliber veteran.
She lives in my lap
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
The most likely to be traded depends on the most likely to acquired
I’m hearing rumblings that Ramon Sessions might be available because of cost containment issues for the Bucks. I don’t know enough about his game, but it looks like he would be an improvement over any of our PGs.
The Bucks have the 10th pick in the draft and they might not want to pay that salary either.
So there are deals out there. Plus, you have to consider when a team adds a high draft pick, somebody on that team no longer has as much value- so there will be players available from that angle too.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Start Sergio!
that is all I have to say.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
ok fine.
lol.
blake starts, blake gets min blake never ever ever has only seen 4 min in any given game that he’s played.
Let me coach the PG spot for one game and play sergio the entire 48 min…. he’ll make mistakes…JUST like blake has, but I bet more will come out of it than bad. darn it. :)
Nate just don’t like the attitude of sergio…. neither do I cuz well I think it sucks…. he whines and complains…when he has nothing to cry about and others do.
kk end support rant for sergio. I feel ashamed …. that’s a indication of something but… I just dont know what.
kk love ya bye bye :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Somethings Up
According to
John C
Basketball business, he said.
Said Pritchard: “Man, seriously, if you only knew who I was talking about.”
K/T (not just KP anymore, Todd gets his due) might suprise us all…(again)
Although I think other GMs are going to make it harder to do a deal that makes sense for the Blazers…
Chris Paul
if I read the excitement right….. it’s gotta be Paul… what KP do we know that talks like that. he’s ant’s in his pants mode…… don’t spill the beans…
oops.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
but commin from John C....
I’ve heard better relieving communication from my rear …………than from Mr C.
I still read it though….strange hu?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I'm wondering why Canzano, seeing KP on the phone, didn't eavesdrop.
KP: Okay then, we have a deal, right guys? We get Chris Paul and LeBron for RLEC, Channing, Sergio, Ruffin, our second-round picks, a few million dollars, and the right to polish the Larry O’Brien trophy whenever you’re in town.
Blew it again, John.
It's not the draft, it's the deals during the draft
There is no way KP will be making 5 draft choices on July 25th. Even if they all turn out to be “stashed Euros” that’s not what the 2010 roster needs
So, speculating about who will be chosen at 24 (Hansbro?) is pointless. KP and the scouts have targetted a veteran or two (most likely PG/PF) and will be using the draft choices as assets.
If KP uses more than 2 of “his own” draft choices I’ll be shocked. Trades, deals, acquiring veterans and not drafting college players is what will make the 2009 draft memorable
Point Guard Issues & Can I get a veteran please?!?
What the Blazers have in skill they lack in experience. 6 playoff games is good experience yes. But how they dropped their heads and played lackluster the final 2 quarters of game 6 against Houston shows me that we need to address two major issues; 1 being that we need a point guard, a on court field general, that is not only a threat to score, but plays great D, controls the tempo, and distributes the ball great, not well. Blake is well is or average in all categories. Bayless has shown signs of greatness, but his mistakes overshaddow his skill with his lack of discipline. Sergio isn’t the answer, nor even listed in the multiple choice quiz, he is ineffective on offense, defense, and ?? hmmhmm, everywhere. Good on fastbreaks, but thats it, adios! Sergio! So for our beloved Coach Nate I say to KP and the higher powers that be, trade for an experienced PG, a guard who will scare opponent and let them forget we have Brandon, Rudy, LA, Oden also. We don’t need a veteran, washed up hasbeen PG like Kidd, or Nash to name a couple, we need to unload those players with high value like Travis, and Jeryd, and Channing. I’m talking a three team deal, this draft is a waste to even mention, not a player in there worth the thread that makes a Blazers jersey so package off our 24 pick and a second round pick with these aforementioned players and bottom line, get us Chris Paul!! He fits well into Nate’s offense, and is threat to any team in the paint, he breaks ankles, and opens the court up for our other offensive threats. He also would only cost just over 4 million this year, and than we can make him an offer on an extension with our deep pocketed owner that will gives us a true quadruple threat! HE MAKES US A CONTENDER!! A true threat to see Kobe in the WC finals, and Lebron in The Finals in ‘10. Blake runs the second squad is a great thing, he gives us that veteran presence in the second unit that we lacked this year. The best thing to do is to find a player with a salary for one year similar to what LaFrentz but obviously a lil lower, that is a veteran, and is a guy who can shore up that 3 spot and either come off the bench or give the starting squad a veteran look that will make other teams crazy. After reviewing a few expiring contracts, I lean towards a proven winner in Rip Hamilton, he has one year left on his contract, and Dumars is in rebuild mode, getting the likes of Channing Frye, Sergio and our 24 pick plus cash would be what he would go for. Rip makes about 2 million less than Raef did in 08-09(More production too) and possible hanging on to Bayless and packaging off Blake with Outlaw, Sergio, Frye(12.2 mil combined) in addition to Raef gone gives you room to trade for Rip, or even Tayshaun Prince, both extremely efficient defensively, and in scoring with championship experience which is desperately needed on this roster. Trading those players off with a few draft picks for 2010 gives us room to give Roy, Aldridge, and possibly Paul contracts with about 45 million available at the end of next season to sign them. I smell dynasty, sniff, sniff! I hope KP is listening here, or maybe this is his anonymous blog that everyone is searching for. There are options out there for free agents too, but signing big names wouldn’t make sense, trading for expiring contracts gives you more flexibility for 2010, to sign our stars, and be flexible in the draft. The Hornets trying to unload Chandler truely shows they are really in financial trouble, so rumors show that they wouldn’t be able to afford Paul, and want to get value out of him, and unload Peja’s 12 mil expiring contract. They are on the list of teams that could move at the end of ‘10 because of low attendance, and accruing debt for the team. By unloading superstars and having a young squad makes it more financially viable to move, hence the Sonics, and how they got rid of Lewis, and Allen. So, KP if you are still reading, Peja wouldn’t be a bad expiring contract to have even though he is 31, his 3 point presence with Paul, Roy, LA, and Oden, wow, I just got chills. Those are viable options for our beloved team to make it better in 09-10, and keep the ball rolling and bring a ring in ’10 to Portland!

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