Which mid-tier PG should we target as our starter?
Despite all the discussion around Conley, Hinrich, et. al., I don't think I've actually seen a poll asking people who they think we should target as our starter next year. If I've overlooked it, then feel free to disregard this post.
A few cavaets in my poll...
Given that KP likes to target someone specific and then go try to get them, it seems worthwhile to evaluate guys independent of how much they would cost. All of these guys are likely available at a reasonable price, and I doubt KP would hesitate on his first choice because the guy is slightly more expensive than his second choice.
Also, I'm leaving out the guys that I think are off the market (the first-tier guys, Devin Harris, etc.) and I'm also leaving off the guys who will need a lot of development (Bayless, Rubio, draft pick, etc.). If you want one of the guys who need work, choose 'Blake + an unproven backup' below.
I'm sure I've left out somebody's favorite choice. Feel free to use 'other' for that guy.
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really? dude never passes the ball. i'd rather have Blake.
by jksnake99 on May 28, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah not a fan of Lamond
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by Dheepan on May 28, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually pronounced "bonner"
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by mittsabishy on May 27, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blake will be the starter but....
…. Ramon Sessions will be signed as an FA in the offseason while Bayless works on his ability to run the team during Summer League. Sergio will be used as trade fodder to move up in the draft.
Sessions should take over from Blake midseason and be the starter come playoff time.
by Rip City Reign on May 27, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sessions, Hinrich, Conley
I’d be happy with any of the above.
If we get one of the young bucks you try to keep Steve Blake, if you get Hinrich you hold on to Bayless and try to make him your backup (and maybe eventual starter?).
Then again if the team stands pat at point guard, but maybe adds a low cost veteran like Lindsey Hunter, and instead focuses their efforts on getting a well-rounded wing (who can create his own shot, who can drive, and who can shoot it a little) to take some heat off of Brandon and a solid backup power forward then I suppose we can live with Blake and Bayless and hope and pray that Jerryd really comes on strong this year.
Anybody else getting the feeling KP isn’t going to swing for the fences this off-season?
by nikolokolus on May 27, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ground rule double?
I don’t know if it qualifies as “swinging for the fences”, but trading for Hinrich almost seems to make too much sense for it not to happen… IMHO.
Nate likes big guards… Nate wants someone who won’t turn the ball over… We need defense… Bulls need salary relief… We don’t want to get younger… Kirk fits our “window”… We have the cap space… We won’t next year… Bulls GM says resigning Gordon is top priority
by kennetha on May 27, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting Hinrich makes perfect sense...
unless KP decides there’s someone he likes better who he can also get.
by pualo on May 27, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk is not coming
people have been reiterating that trade since the Bulls got Rose and what has happened? Nothing.
I am not going to go through the millions of arguments for and against Kirk because they have all been hashed out to death and bottom line is that if KP wanted Kirk he would be in PDX by now.
Nik- Everybody, myself included was drooling over the thought of Jefferson, Wallace, Butler or Prince coming over before Feb 18th and all we got was Michael Ruffin.
AS for the current PG rotation, I think that it is best for both parties if we trade Segio and leaving Blake/vet to start allowing JB to get his feet wet on the court. He showed that he was more than capable in the times he was a backup PG and should get the bulk of the PG2 PT. The thing is that you need only 3 PGs:
starter
backup
injury backup
You do not want the PG2 looking over his shoulder and wondering if he is going to get pulled. So in our case we have a reliable starter in Blake, or bring in another vet PG then give the bulk of the PGs mins to a promising young learning PG for him to develop. The 3rd PG should be either an old aging vet with just enough in the tank like, (good pick) Hunter, Brevin Knight, or my pick Jaque Vaughn, who can help mold Bayless into a starting PG, or a solid senior rook PG ie. Collison. Big program, big game, steady, smart, defensive but has enough liabilities to let him slide to the #24 or 32 where we can snatch him cheap.
Break down the PG PT as
Starter 27
PG2 21
PG3 ~1-5 based on injury/blowouts
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by SpyderRyder on May 27, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
That Kirk is not coming, but I’m not sure I follow the logic that since we didn’t get him at the deadline, we won’t get him now. Things have changed… it’s no longer mid-season, they have a new GM, they’re now officially up against the tax, we witnessed Blake v. Brooks, they saw Rose dominate in the post-season.
If they’re not trading Hinrich, which option do you think they’ll choose… let Gordon go, trade Deng, or pay the luxury tax?
by kennetha on May 27, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless was a capable backup?
Nate McMillan didn’t seem to think so.
Bayless got the bulk of his minutes this season when Blake was injured. In fact, Bayless was so deficient that he spent the whole season riding the pine behind a player with glaring defensive and shooting deficiencies.
by baduk on May 28, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire KP if he doesn't. Well, he still would have the next deadline. But I'm half-serious.
by Norsktroll on May 27, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've been over at Blog-A-Bull
You know they won’t give up Hinrich for what the Blazers have to offer.
Also, it’s unclear they’ll be able to re-sign Gordon, and if they lose him to free agency they can’t spare Hinrich.
by baduk on May 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do the Bulls want?
It’s true they need cap relief, and KP can do an unbalanced trade once Portland is under the cap
But the major reason the Hinrich deal made sense in February was RLEC, now that’s gone
Would the Bulls want Outlaw? Travis did score 33 points against them last fall. But they have Thomas and Salmons, already
Would they want Blake? Maybe, but he’ll be rehabbing his shoulder for the next couple of months
Are they gonna keep Hinrich, or Gordon? Does anyone know for sure
And finally…if KP really wanted Kirk, why didn’t he acquire him back in Feb when he had RLEC and Steve was out with an injured shoulder?
by two4larue on May 28, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's talking about Mario Chalmers ...
Mario Chalmers:
-Won an NCAA title
-Named Most Outstanding Player in the Final Four
-2007 Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year
-3 All Big 12 Defensive First Teams
-Led conference in steals
-Good perimeter shooter
-Averaged 10pts 5ast 2stl as a rookie
-Played in every game as a rookie
Chalmers is basically a black Steve Blake who plays better defense, is 5 years younger, makes 1/4 the money, and already has playoff experience. How about Blake/Outlaw/#32pick for Chalmers and Udonis Haslem. Solves our PG and PF woes with one fell swoop. Miami won’t go for that you say? The up the ante. We really don’t have to look anywhere else this off season to fill our needs.
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by bfan on May 27, 2009 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd advise against referencing college accomplishments when speaking about NBA talent.
JJ Redick and Adam Morrison come to mind.
Regardless, aside from a notable increase in steals, Chalmers, as you said, is nearly identical as Blake. Why would we want to go out for a trade when you’re going for something you already have, only fractionally better? If you’re going to trade, you might as well get someone with an appreciable skills advantage.
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by Arby on May 27, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think Chalmers is attainable unless the Blazers are willing to give up pieces that they don't want to give up.
Chalmers was a very productive rookie. He was also their best PG (and not in the Sebastian Telfair is the best PG in Minnesota way). Normally, those two things make it very unlikely the guy will be traded unless it’s a no-brainer deal.
by poster on May 27, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will never happen
no way the heat trade Chalmers hes part of their future with Beasly. Itll take a block buster trade to pry Chalmers away
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
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by Kingzilla on May 28, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all of the above
if we are just talking 1 year…then lets go with the vets…like Kidd and Nash. If we are talking our long term solution, then obviously the younger project players.
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by Philthyanimal on May 27, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
mike bibby
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on May 27, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate McMillan
I think he’s the only PG coach likes.
Now getting serious… I’d rather have Mike Bibby too, he’s my favorite among guys who’ve been at least 4 years in the NBA and will be for another 4 years
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by DaniBCN on May 27, 2009 5:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So what do we need out of a PG?
I asked this in another thread, but I’m looking for more input.
What do we need? How do we objectively measure that need? Can it be measured?
Answer these questions, and we see who fits the best.
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by T Darkstar on May 27, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we need
a player that defends point guards well
shoots the 3 point shot at a high level of efficiency
can penetrate into the lane
can adequately control the ball and run the teams offense
only one player fits all of those things…
it just so happens that player also fits these criteria as well
will be an improvement from Blake from day 1
ACTUALLY fits the teams window (the next 10 years)
has chemistry with at least one of our players already (probably the most important in terms of comfort level)
The answer to all the questions at point can be answered with one player. Mike Conley Jr. It’s a no-brainer really. The only thing that we need to be asking at this point is what his cost is. If Memphis does draft Rubio, there is just no excuse not to go get MC Jr.
by as11osu on May 27, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Hinrich also fits those criteria (with a different weighting)
And I’m not sure if the three point shot is actually a requirement, or just a result of Blake unable to play the inside pass and drive and dish and thus making Roy the very dominant ball handler.
by Norsktroll on May 27, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich has no penetration abilities
he also doesn’t fit our window. Or at best 7 fewer years than Conley. Also, with Roy, the 3 ball IS very much a requirement.
by as11osu on May 27, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point up for debate and subject to change with a point guard who is much better at doing the other things
I think it’s nice to have, not a requirement. Kirk fulfills it, Conley does now, others don’t but excel at other things. There are two top three point shooters on the court in all combinations next year.
And if the Grizzlies really fall in love with Thabeet (I don’t understand why, but whatever) they won’t trade Conley for anything reasonable any longer. I fear the best chance to get him was last summer/fall and that has passed.
by Norsktroll on May 27, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every Conley Jr scenario I see assumes they draft Rubio
On the 3 point shot, I think its very easy to look at Orlando as a template for what you want to do on the offensive end. Cleveland is a VERY good defensive team, but you’d never know watching them play Orlando. With LMA not quite having that range yet, having a PG that can shoot the 3 really IS a requirement IMO. If LMA ever gets that corner 3 down, things may change, but I’m not banking on that. Roy can’t be our best 3 point shooter. Roy can’t kick out to Roy. It simply doesn’t work.
by as11osu on May 27, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Orlando is a good offensive template...
But, to me, that might strengthen the argument for Hinrich over Conley. He shoots the three every bit as well as Conley and his defense is better. True, he doesn’t penetrate as well, but I agree with Norsktroll that penetration skills are not necessarily a requirement. All things being equal, I’ll take better defense over penetration skills.
by MDBlazerfan on May 27, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the 7 year difference
the natural curve as far as that is concerned.
As far as defense is concerned, in 2-3 seasons when we’re really ready to start winning championships, I’ll take Conley Jr defending the speedier point guards over the 31 or 32 year old Kirk Hinrich. Even the 3 point shooting, if you project for natural progression would have Conley Jr at least on par with Hinrich by that time. Also, the penetration is key, as is the better interior passing the Conley could bring, and the natural chemistry with Oden would also be a bonus.
I think when we talk about defense here, next year’s is important, but not as important as 2-4 years out. I just don’t think you can pass up Conley if given the shot at him. Same as I stated two years ago for Devin Harris and last trade deadline for Conley.
by as11osu on May 27, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario Chalmers
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by bfan on May 27, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Memphis does draft Rubio, there is just no excuse not to go get MC Jr.
There may not be an “excuse” but there is and will continue to be a reason
MCJ is done growing. He’s 6’1" and 180lbs and Nate likes taller/stronger PGs who can fight through P&R screens
And even if Conley was 6’3" and 200lbs I’m not sure KP will be making a deal with Memphis this summer. Too much Darius Miles bad blood. Maybe if KP offered Rudy and Travis he might get MCJ
But like I’ve said before, my gut says KP will make an offer for Sessions
by two4larue on May 28, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about...
Rudy Fernandez (gasp), Jerryd Bayless (another gasp), Travis Outlaw, and the 33rd pick for Devin Harris? This is basically a wash in terms of salaries.
Why Portland would do it: The fans want an upgrade for starting point guard, and Harris is a significant upgrade over the other entries in the Blazer fans’ PG sweepstakes. He is not Paul or Williams, but he is in a class above Hinrich/Conley/Sessions, and he is young enough to be around for 6 to 10 years. It has also been discussed that there won’t be enough playing time for someone of Rudy’s quality, so what better way to solve the problem in using him to get another gem?
Why the Nets would do it: They get a sure-thing rising star in Rudy, a legitimate 6th-man-of-the-year in Travis, and in Rex someone who will be no worse than a solid player in the NBA and may be a future star. All are cheap and talented (this would appeal to the Nets’ GM), and can either be useful as players or in further trades.
Blazer fans will object that this proposal gives up too much, but we cannot get value without giving up value. Nets fans will probably complain it is not nearly enough, but they would probably get the better deal. This kind of deal is what we should expect if we want to consolidate talent in better players.
This would also decimate White Unit scoring, something we would need to address by another trade, through free agency, or the draft. Since we need a backup PF, and since we can probably afford to add two mid-level veteran free agent backups, I will assume we’ll get both via free agency.
The fan favorite free agent PFs include Paul Millsap (,566 TS%, 17.0 TRB%; $797K last season), Brandon Bass (.571 TS%, 13.4 TRB%; $826K), and David Lee (.590 TS%, 18.4 TRB%; $1.8M). All are restricted free agents; it is likely all will command premium offers (sabotaging my goal of finding two free agents); and it is equally likely their current teams will match any offers, unless we offer to significantly over pay. Charlie Villanueva (.522 TS%, 14.7 TRB%; $3.4M) is a more realistic possibility, but he probably (and rightly) thinks he has earned the right to be a starter. Either Antonio McDyess (.510 TS%, 15.6 TRB%; $1.3M) or Joe Smith (.496 TS%, 13.9 TRB%; $1.2M) would be nice and probably fall into the range of our pocketbook, but it will be an uphill battle convincing either to play here; McDyess wants to stay in the East, and Smith seems happy in Cleveland. If the Magic eliminate the Cavaliers, however, they may view him as the wrong spare part and he may become available. Leon Powe (.591 TS%, 17.1 TRB%; $800K last season) would be a very nice player, although he recently underwent microfracture surgery so is a big risk. Since he is restricted, the Celtics can match, but the surgery might mean they would be less willing to match a good offer. I would target Smith, Powe, McDyess, and Villanueva, in that order. I will assume we can get one of these, whom I will conveniently name Smith for this discussion.
There seem to be a lot of free agent guards who could replace Rudy on the White Unit. Free agent guards who might be worth considering for the White Unit include Anthony Parker (last season: .514 TS%, .415 3P% in 80 games; $4.6M), Von Wafer (.541 TS%, .351 3P%; $826K last season), Quentin Richardson (.510 TS%, .354 3P%, 72 games; $8.6M—ouch), Shannon Brown (.631 TS%, .326 3P%; $797K) and Eddie House (.592 TS%, .444 3P% 81 games; $2.6M). Brown has been a steal for the the L*kers, so they probably won’t let him go for a reasonable offer, and similarly for the Rockets with Wafer. House are small and play point guard, so may not be the best alternative, as we would have Blake available for the White Unity in my scenario. Richardson is a reasonable player, but has been injury prone and is too expensive. This leaves Parker as the best option of those I’ve considered—someone else probably has a better idea—and this really doesn’t thrill me.
An alternative that might be preferable to Parker would be to move Webster to SG as needed on the White Unit and to bring in a free agent SF. I would really like to go after Hedo Turkoglu, but his price tag would probably make it impossible to keep Brandon, LaMarcus, and Greg later. W could get free agent Grant Hill more reasonably. He is smart enough that he can still play despite his past injuries, and he would be a great mentor for Nick.
The final depth chart after all of this maneuvering would be
PG: Harris/Blake
SG: Roy/Webster
SF: Hill/Batum
PF: Aldridge/Smith
C: Pryzbilla/Oden
by jaywalker on May 27, 2009 9:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nah
Reason I left him out of the poll is that they are building their team around him. They’re not about to give him up for three guys with “potential”.
Nets “Big 3” = Harris, Lopez, big-time FA signed next year
Think of how attached we are to our “Big 3” and you get an idea of how unlikely it is.
by kennetha on May 27, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right about the Nets' direction and the fprobably fans' reaction
But I frequently tell my daughter “You know the answer if you don’t ask”. I thought about just the issues you raise and decided to post anyway.
Rudy looks like he has the same potential as Harris, in the sense that he has already demonstrated he is likely to be a player you can build a team around. It is less likely that Bayless has the same sort of potential, but it certainly isn’t impossible. It also seems unlikely that Jersey will be positioned to compete for the playoffs, let alone a championship, next season, so why not consider new dirction with the potential for a two-for-one that plays out in the time frame when the Nets can realisticly think about competing? Plus, Rudy is wildly popular on the East coast, which could translate into bodies in seats, so perhaps the Nets’ GM would think about it for more than 47 nano-seconds?
Fatty had a post a week or so ago that spoke to me. My paraphrase of his post is that we are thinking too small in our trade speculation. This seems is the last year we have great lattitude in making transformative changes in the team before we are locked in by the luxury tax ceiling and by our dependence on the players we have continuing in their roles.
None of this detracts from the validity of your points, however.
by jaywalker on May 28, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Yep, I totally agree. Maybe I should’ve prefaced my poll with…. “Assuming KP tries to get a top-tier PG and fails, which second-tier PG should we target”.
I sure hope/expect that KP is aiming high. I just wanted to talk more about what options he might realistically have on the table.
by kennetha on May 28, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good read, thorough
But I think I’m with kennetha. See if you can get any Nets fans to agree to it.
by pualo on May 27, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love me some Devin Harris
I was all over KP grabbing him from Dallas, but Cuban wanted JKidd (grrrr!)
So, even though I like what Bayless could become and think it’s a little “too early” to deal Rudy, if NJ needs some more “sweetener” before they’ll agree to your proposal I would be willing to toss in a few 2nd round draft choices and some of Paul Allen’s walking-around money.
I don’t like Webster at backup 2 and Grant Hill as starting 3. I’d rather just go out and find a defensive-minded 2 guard to play behind Brandon and a veteran banger to play behind LMA and call it good
by two4larue on May 28, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sessions is interesting
That is the kind of signing I can see Pritchard doing. Despite cap space, I don’t believe Portland is in the position to sign anybody this offseason to a big contract. You will have to pony up big money very soon for Roy and Aldridge. So, this excludes Andre Miller… as well as Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, who will both be in contract years. Portland is not looking for the quick fix.
Sessions is an “under-the-radar” type player, and this would be the right situation for a guy like that. He would have the chance to capitilize and grab the starting role for a contender, but also has a bit of a cusion with Blake, Roy, and Bayless (writing this with the assumption that Sergio will not be returning) on board to run the point. Sessions would be a long-term play.
I am intrigued with Hinrich… but not sure how much of an upgrade he is from Blake with his salary. I’m not one who thinks Hinrich is grossly overpaid… but you have to wonder if you’re getting maximum value for your buck. With Blake, dollar for dollar he is an absolute steal. I’m still on the Blake wagon… I think he does so much more for the Blazers than most are giving him credit for. It’s really too bad to go through a season as the starting point guard of a 54 win team that finally made the playoffs after 5 losing seasons and then get dumped on by the fan base. Blake has done so much to help Portland back on the road of respectability… he deserves so much more.
by mcmillion on May 28, 2009 4:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich
I personally like Hinrich. His defense is what impresses me the most, but he also shows up offensively in the playoffs. It’s also worth noting that he defended Paul Pierce some in the Boston-Chicago series even though Pierce had a few inches on him. The defense he played was pretty solid too.
Sessions wouldn’t be a good match for the Blazers. We need a PG that can shoot the 3 and spread the floor. I’m not a huge Conley fan either.
by tcwoods on May 28, 2009 7:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not quite as big as it seems.
His salary for next year is 9.5M, but the way it’s structured, decreasing every year, it’s really equivalent to about a 7.5M salary, if they’re structured more traditionally. 7.5 is not bad at all for him.
by pualo on May 28, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder who are the gifted misfits on other teams?
Everyone seems to agree that Sergio and Frye can both play—just not in Portland. Rudy can play—but there will never be enough minutes for him. Surely the Blazers aren’t the only team with this kind of problem. Which players on which other teams are likely to fit into this bucket? Some of them have to be point guards, and perhaps we should be looking at them as candidates for whom we could get the best deal in a trade?
by jaywalker on May 28, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty hard to identify the "misfits" in advance and without fairly deep knowledge of a team
The Hornets gave up on Bass who blossomed in Dallas. The Rockets picked up Von Wafer who works there much better. Devin Harris took the next step when he got all scoring freedom on the Nets. And so on.
But it also works in the other direction:
Markus Camby is very good as a helpside defender (though maybe a bit overrated in total), but pretty much wasted on the Clippers roster that is bad at defense anyway. Many players who had a good playoff run get signed to too big contracts in the next offseason that becomes an obstacle later (my prime candidate this year would be Glen Big Baby Davis).
An underrated player I liked already last year is Quinton Ross on the Grizzlies (free agent now), who can very effectively defend shooting guards and small forwards and was paid dirt-cheap for what he did so far in his career because he doesn’t score a lot (but fairly efficiently). He also doesn’t turn the ball over. The need for such a player has decreased with the emergence of Nic, but it would be a nice end-of-bench role player to have also when Rudy would be overpowered against a certain opponent.
Some others I could imagine becoming much better with more playing time (though not necessarily starter much less star):
Our very own Jerryd. Bill Walker, SF, Celtics. Sean May, PF, Bobcats, might be salvageable as a backup as I posted earlier in the offseason. Sean Singletary, PG, Bobcats. Daniel Gibson, PG/SG, Cavs, if they would be willing to move him because of Mo Williams. J.J. Hickson, PF, Cavs, though I assume they know that themselves and groom him slowly. Gerald Green, SG/SF, Mavs. Marco Belinelli, SG, Warriors. Chris Quinn, PG, Heat, who has stabilized his very good shooting percentages above 40% despite a reduced role this year. Dorell Wright, SG, Heat, who somehow has completely fallen out of favor. Julian Wright, SF/PF, Hornets. D.J. White, PF, OKC (or Collison, but they know what he is worth). Morris Almond, SG, Jazz, good character and hard worker with a beautiful shot mechanic in college, but somehow gets absolutely no love from Sloan.
by Norsktroll on May 28, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booby Gibson
Quite possibly the next Eddie House. I like the kid.
I think Birdman will get a shot to start somewhere. Memphis, next to Gasol? Oops from Rubio galore.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 28, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Norsktroll. You responded to the question I was asking
If there is no plausible path to getting someone with a known track record, then we need to look at players that are not well known but for whom there is reason to believe have significant upside. I can’t help but feel the trade and free agent discussion has been focusing on the wrong candidates.
by jaywalker on May 28, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There would be worse guys to have on the end of the bench that Quinton Ross
and you’re right, a lot of guys just need the opportunity to play a little bit (aka the Von Wafer awards), although I’m dubious of putting Gerald Green in that category by this point. He got a huge chance with the 07 Celtics, playing over 20 mpg, and he was still pretty awful. At some point, a guy’s attitude will trump whatever talent he has.
To the list, I’d add Brandan Wright, who’s had a couple minor injuries but still inexplicably never plays, Corey Brewer, our former Blazer Ike Diogu, Tony Allen, JJ Redick (might play too much to count), Andray Blatche, and…. Shavlik Randolph (not just for sentimentality, but I think he could do a decent job in 10-12 mpg).
As a Rice grad, though, I love the Morris Almond shout out. Probably too much of a shooter/scorer for Sloan, though. Tough to break into the rotation when you have a quintessial Sloan hustle guy like Brewer in front of you.
by Royster on May 28, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought green was going to be a star
with the PT he got with the celtic. Oh well i see him as a JR Smith kind of player both came out of HS ( gulf shore academy go TX born players) HS players and most short term college players need alots of work and pateints. He just needs the right coach and experince look at Smith hes finally living up to his potential.
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
by Kingzilla on May 28, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No love for Jose Calderon?
Big guard, shoots the 3. Didn’t have a great year, but really who in the T Dot did? I wouldn’t be surprised if the Raptors gutted that thing anyway. Add a little flavor to the Armada. I’m too lazy to put some real evidence behind my argument, btw.
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
by Juiceman76 on May 28, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't bring any more defense
Then Blake
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 28, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counterpoints to these options
- Andre Miller is looking to get paid. The Blazers will not spend enough to get him, and won’t be willing to sign him to the 4-5 year contract he wants.
- Ramon Sessions got a close look by the organization before the draft a couple years ago. They decided he wasn’t what they needed. They haven’t changed their minds.
- Mike Conley won’t be traded this year by Memphis even after they draft Rubio. The sentiment over at 3 Shades of Blue is that they keep him for this year at least even if they do draft Rubio. I suspect management will agree.
- Raymond Felton may have finally persuaded Larry Brown he’s worth keeping, even though they were shopping him last year. The reason it’s possible to get him is because he wouldn’t be much of an upgrade to Blake.
- Kirk Hinrich can’t be traded for what Portland has to offer, I spent some time assessing fan support on Blog-A-Bull and they want Fernandez, not Outlaw and a point guard. Not going to happen.
- Jason Kidd doesn’t want to play in Portland. His agent killed a deal to get him here last year before he was dealt to Dallas.
- Steve Nash is the Phoenix Suns franchise at this point. His style of basketball is the reason there are butts in the seats in Phoenix. They are even talking about extending him, though he’s 35. He is not available.
- Steve Blake (+ an unproven backup) is where we are right now. We don’t have to win a championship this year, there’s still time. What we do need to do is find a quick, penetrating, defensively capable point guard to groom as our future starter. That is not Jerryd Bayless, who I do not believe is a point guard (we’ll get more evidence in summer league, one way or the other).
- Other (explain below) is where the smart money is. Hopefully KP will again make a move which has us all slapping our foreheads saying “Of course!”
by baduk on May 28, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree on most
Not sure about Hinrich though. What the fans on their blog want and what the management thinks they can get are two very different things. Naturally a lot of this depends on if they resign Gordon. If they do, Kirk probably goes somewhere and it could be us, even if the fans don’t get Rudy like they want.
by Zaig on May 28, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, fans and management have one major difference:
Fans don’t value money as much.
by pualo on May 28, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramon Sessions got a close look by the organization before the draft a couple years ago. They decided he wasn’t what they needed. They haven’t changed their minds.
Things could have changed in a couple of years. They may have thought the Sergio “experiment” would turn out differently, who knows? Maybe they thought Jarrett Jack was gonna be a keeper, back then? Maybe Ramon developed better than they projected.
You could be right, but my gut tells me that KP and the scouts liked Sessions then, and he fits what the team needs better, now
by two4larue on May 28, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WHAT ABOUT RAYMOND FELTON
14.2 ppg
6.7 apg
1.5 spg
40% FG
And that was on a crappy team while splitting minutes with DJ Augustin
They drafted DJ Augustin because they didn’t know if he’d turn out, so he’s more available than any of the other starting PGs in the league
AND HE’S GREAT ON DEFENSE!!!!
by rip_city_swagger on May 28, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Andre Miller !!!
Great pass 1st point guard and i dont think he will be looking to get paid this off season hes been loosing his whole carer in ala Cavs,Clips,Denver n now Philly he wants to win and from where i sit all the real contenders area set at point guard (which is what makes them contenders) so we are his best option. Never heard anything bad about him in the locker room ( love how people say that like the have an all access pass) and hell be a great vet and mentor for Bayless.
At this time id like to throw ina few “geeeewiz facts”
Miller has the 13th highest assist per game average in NBA history
Has played 501 consecutive games (longest active strek in NBA)
Has been to the playoff every year since 2003
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
by Kingzilla on May 28, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Has only missed 3 games in his 7 years
The Blazers will play beautiful basketball.
Brandon will shoot the lights out. Blake will run and LMA will finish strong at the hoop. Bayless will play because we’ll be so far ahead in the 4th quarter, giving all the Jerryd fans something to smile about.
But wait, that’s not all. Rudy will go 5 of 5 from distance. Batum will posterize someone. And Channing will NOT lead the team in points.
qoute from ofred
by Kingzilla on May 28, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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