Trade & FA Drawer May 25 - Hi, my name is Sessions and my contract demands are "excessive"
by Norsktroll on May 25, 2009 7:16 AM PDT
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PrintJonny Flynn appears to be drawing strong interest from the Milwaukee Bucks, as it becomes increasingly clear that they will not be able to retain the services of current point guard Ramon Sessions, due to his excessive contract demands. - DraftExpress head honcho Givony under "scattered rumors" (see Fanshots for the remarks he makes about the teams Rubio is interested in).
Looks like in the end Pritchard could have options to choose from, with the Conley/Rubio conundrum, the Bulls uncertain who they can keep, Sessions wanting a nice new contract (pretty much everything MLE level and up would be "excessive" to match for the Bucks putting them in luxury tax even though they could and that is the maximum under the Gilbert Arenas Provision), etc.
I have long had a high interest in Sessions (see here or here). He can't shoot threes, but he knows it so he rarely does, and neither really can more expensive and much older Andre Miller. He is 22, amazing on the pick and roll, rarely turns the ball over for such an aggressive player (14%), can score and draw fouls around the rim in volume, has put up assist records for his team (34.6% assist percentage, 10% above Blake).
Blake vs. Sessions stats, though I assume the Blazers would want to retain Blake in this scenario.
Hollinger: "At worst, he's a capable backup who can get the ball to the right spots, and the upside is that he might turn out to be much, much more"
If the Blazers would be willing to take on one of their bad contracts too (a few, even Richard Jefferson could qualify), the Bucks would likely be very interested in a sign and trade for the right pieces. Smaller and larger deals are imaginable. Bucks fans think it could be a first leak to start prepping the public why they couldn't hold Sessions, with Atlanta and Portland mentioned as destinations (RealGM).
Another interesting point was brought up by Casey Holdahl recently: Acquiring Conley or any other young point guard would create an interesting battle to watch among our young point guards for the future spot, but could also signal to whoever is left between Sergio and Bayless he is no longer really trusted. Of course that is a reality in the NBA a player has to deal with, but it still is worth noting.
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by Honka Playboy on May 25, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
We could easily take Sessions
But are we in a position to take on a bigger contract like Jefferson’s? We are at $55,744,779 for 2009/2010 and we have no large contracts to match after RLEC is gone.
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As discussed before RLEC could make a comeback as the RLEC 2010 in a sign and trade
Yeah, it’s not all that likely. Bucks fans seemed willing to give up the #8 pick if we would take Ridnour off their hands as that would help them to re-sign Sessions. But getting Sessions directly to replace Sergio with him, sign me up! He has proven what he can do (and it’s known what he can’t so far), and that to me is more attractive than any PG in this draft except Rubio.
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Keith Van Horn was used for the same purpose with Dallas last year no?
To trade RLEC for Ridnour, assuming contracts match would alleviate them of having to pay for their draft pick’s salary. Although to lose Ridnour and a high draft pick for one or two million in salary relief seems steep.
Would they be more interested in Blake? As an actual replacement rather than phantom player.
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit.
I agree with you
Ramon Sessions would be a perfect fit for Portland.
You smell it? You smell it? Playoffs son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of Playoffs in the morning.
Make a move for Earl Clark?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 25, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard a rumor
That KP is going to go after Tyler Hansbrough at all costs.
I'm chubby because I'm full of love.
I heard a rumor Obama wants to sell Hawaii to Dubai
by Norsktroll on May 25, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know you have cooties.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
Becuz I got dem from your sister/mother/cat
change out any of those last words to the least offensive entity
I'm chubby because I'm full of love.
Any of those last words...
…are possibl…I mean, uh, offensive.
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What kind of cat do you have?
Te corto tu cara!
by tominhawaii on May 26, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno. It's my roomates.
He has eight toes on each paw and his name is Bob-a-loo.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
hoped for a better place for Flynn
New York, Philly or Phoenix would be nice.. I wished he would have not hired an agent and stayed orange for one more year (he said he would as late as 3/24 – oh well!). Esp if ’cuse gets Fab Melo.. that would have be fun!
Sessions is def one of the better available pgs for the Blazers, but I hope the cost doesn’t go too high.. If this is going to lock the Blazers cap space down for the next few years (or indefinitely once we start considering the core’s long term signings), I’d love to see as much consistent defense and 3pt shooting included in the PG as possible.
Take it to the Hole!!
It comes down a bit to what the Blazers want out of their point guard
Sessions isn’t as consistent yet, very hot on some nights but cold on others (12 games with over 20 points, one of them with 44, 9 double-doubles). Conley is similar, with fewer hot nights (just one double-double). That’s why I would assume the Blazers would keep Blake around, which would be less likely in a deal for Hinrich. What would make Sessions potentially attractive is upgrading to a young player with a lot of potential without giving up many assets other than cap space.
The max contract for sessions won't be as high as you think.
Because of the gilbert arenas provision in the CBA, the max Sessions can make is the full MLE in the first year of his contact with escalating raises thereafter equal to the team’s capspace. In short if the Blazers have about 9 million to play around with (maybe more, maybe less) they can offer him a deal that equals about 45 million over five years (assuming they wanted to go this high) and the back end of the contract would be loaded with some hefty raises in the final three years of the deal. The only rub is that Milwaukee can match the contract offer with just their MLE, but with their cap situation it sounds like they’d be unwilling to do so.
Frankly, with the dearth of teams under the cap this season (and those that are like Detroit, Toronoto, Memphis, OKC already set at the point guard position) the Blazers are going to be in pretty good position to make a hard play for Ramon if they really want him. To sweeten the pot I’d love to see KP offer to do a sign and trade with Bayless/Sergio which gives Milwaukee something instead of losing Ramon and getting nothing.
Despite his lack of a 3 point shot and lock down defense he’s the real deal and huge upgrade over anybody currently on the roster.
by nikolokolus on May 25, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
that's not too bad
I’ll give that he’s a real upgrade, but I’m worried about exhausting future cap flexibility on someone who is better but not quite the all around player we are looking for… I’m in the camp that feels like defense is the slightly more important reason for an upgrade at PG, I’m not worried as much about the offense, because I think that development and team cohesion will improve this a lot.
If KP has his sights set, I hope that he will continue his practice of fewer guaranteed years in the contract. And I’m okay with Serge being dealt if they can sign and trade. I am just not sure if this is the PG of the next five years yet – where is the backcourt defense going to come from?
Take it to the Hole!!
by galacticlove on May 25, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Roy + Aldridge + Oden
= No cap flexibility for 10 years.
Sixty-percent of the time, it works one-hundred percent of the time.
We can go over the cap signing them
And if we are winning championships, Paul Allen will pay the luxery tax happily.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 25, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
AOL knows everything.
“The Trail Blazers have talked about waiving Channing Frye to make room for a Turkoglu contract. The Pistons are weighing the option as Joe Dumars continues his reconstruction process. The Grizzlies and the Thunder could find the salary cap room. “It’s something I won’t think about until after the season is over,’’ Turkoglu said recently.” -AOL
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 25, 2009 8:24 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah
My wife would hate that. She calls him that ugly guy who used to play in Sacramento.
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my mom and wife both agree
My mom and I refer to him as a troll, like live under bridge, eat a goat kind of troll – not the blog kind.
It’s amazing that he was actually uglier on Sacramento, those frosted blond highlights were just ridiculous!
Still, didn’t KP recent state on a radio interview that this team was good enough looking to handle one ug-o? Maybe he was talking about something else.
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
Not as ugly as Luis Scola
And he would be an upgrade from Travis, assuming we were to get rid of him. Turkoglu is probably even more clutch than Trout. He’s a good passer and can also create his own shot. I think he would piss us off less if he were on our side.
I hate the guy too.
The Blazers would instantly become one of the ugliest in the league if he was on the team.
Bad omen for the Spanish Armada: the Turk and the English (Freeland).
"They didn't know it was impossible, so they did it"
Well, the Spanish Armada was sunk by the English.
And I guess the Turks are sort of like the Muslims that occupied Spain until 1492.
The Spanish Armada fight against both, the Turk in the Mediterranean Sea, where it won, and the English in the Atlantic, where it lost mostly because of the bad weather conditions and lack of adaptation to them. .
"They didn't know it was impossible, so they did it"
by amlmart1 on May 25, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
some think the Blazers are currently one of the better looking teams
man-crushes with rudy and nic aside, I guess I would rather get a Turkoglu with his natural troll-features as opposed to…say, Chris Andersen..
It’d be tough. Samsara was also right on about Scola, but he’s another one thats grown on me. But they both make me wish I only listened to basketball games on radio, they are both amazing ballers when you just LISTEN to them. If I ever go completely blind, it would be amazing to hear both of these guys in Blazer colors.
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
The Blazers ARE the best looking team.
I don’t want Turkoglu to ruin it….but he is a major upgrade basketball wise, which I guess is the important part.
it's okay to value looks on your team
Studies have shown that good looking people are more confident and are prone to more success than similarly educated/skilled/talented troll (or dirty Argentinian greaseball) looking people!
So, ideally, Greg would be the low point on the team (minus a Muffin out of rotation possibly) lookswise?
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
Oden's looks are epic
That transcend normal puny human measurements of “good” or “bad”. They are like looking in the face of a God.
In other words, he is awesome looking, and I’d rather look awesome than look handsome any day of the damn WEEK.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on May 25, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'll agree
but Blazers with far lower star status probably get far more love from the hunnies. Including Joel, Channing, Bayless, Sergio, Shav possibly even Steve and Raef, as well as the obvious sexy wonders and our superstar.
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
I bet Oden gets plenty of love.
Far more than those you mentioned. Status is far more important to groupies than looks.
Oden is definitely not good looking
but he is pretty awesome looking just like Mortimer said. Not many people look like that.
so distinctive
I should try to talk with his people about marketing a cologne or something..
Oden… so distinctive…
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
alternate slogan
Oden… bringing out the older gentlemen in you…
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
by idoltime on May 25, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, Greg Oden isn't pretty but he's a very good looking guy.
He’ll look the same way when he’s 50. People will marvel at how well he ages.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
i have a theory...
that oden is going to reverse age like brad pitt in that movie..
Take it to the Hole!!
by galacticlove on May 26, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
good looking people are more confident and are prone to more success
Bayless > Sergio
by two4larue on May 25, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
think of that logjam at small forward
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on May 25, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Hedo the point forward?
Obviously Outlaw would have to be gone for this to work, and there would still be minutes issues with Webster, Batum (and indirectly) Rudy. But Turkoglu does bring an element that no current Blazer forward can provde, the ability to read the defense and deliver the ball to the post (etc) in a half court offense.
Whether Nate values this particular skill in a forward remains to be seen
Could help Nicolas
Develop some passing & dribbling skills too.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 25, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet Turkoglu goes to Memphis.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 25, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen him play,
so I’m not sure what to think about Sessions. Someone want to fill me in on why I should be excited about this guy?
Turkoglu, on the other hand, I have seen play, and I’d be more inclined to get a Certified Baller like that at this point.
man
turkoglu might just be the most clutch shooter in the game
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on May 25, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You mean, after Brandon Roy?
It would be nice to have two of them, eh? As long as they can play well together
Like I said last week, I have a gut feeling about KP acquiring Sessions. But then I heard he’s not all that as a defender so I’m ambivalent about the prospects of Ramon as the Blazer’s PG of the future
well
that was a givin
bayless leaves over my dead body
sign mike bibby
by thomasikehara on May 25, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a fan of sessions
but I haven´t seen him playing many games.
I´d rather have Felton than Session, but my priority would still be Hinrich and then Kidd.
I could see the Blazers preferring Hinrich if they want to keep playing pretty much like now only with improvements on defense. Sessions imo is a already a better player than Felton (despite his bad three point shot and some inconsistent games he already has a PER of 17.5 after a season and a half). Kidd would be a huge no no for me in playing style, age, cost. I would really question KP if that was the “improvement” unless it was just as a stopgap for two years.
We've mentioned him in the past
Ben was interested in him last season, as well.
Most of us agree he’s a ballhog, bad shooting, bad defense, lump of not-that-good who gets some decent numbers on a bad team. I personally don’t like Felton’s game, and how it would fit in with the Blazers.
Morty
I think KP needs to get D-Wade to play the point for Portland
I heard he’s available.
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woo
another backup PG who can run the P&R but has no jumper!
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
According to Bucks fans he can get problems when the opponent throws different lineups at him. That’s when Skiles often goes with Ridnour. Laterally quick, same lane agility measure as Conley. He would be no downgrade on that end, which I’m not sure is true for all candidates thrown around especially the draft picks.
I think his very good passing numbers could be even better on the Blazers, because in his first full season they had to compensate for Redd and Bogut going down with injuries for part of the year and there is nobody to replace those guys (and without Bogut also no defensive inside presence).
Oh man...
…Going to Ridnour for defensive help ain’t the bestest of signs for Sessions defense, but Ridnour is a veteran and probably knows more of what Skiles is looking for.
Sessions is an interesting option though, for sure.
Mortimer
Conley is not exactly a defensive stopper either. Nash never was, Kidd isn’t anymore, Miller is quick but weak against picks. Same with Rubio, he ran blind into picks in the Spanish playoffs, but is a great ballhawk yet will ned to learn the game at NBA speed for a year or two. If mainly a defense upgrade is what the Blazers are looking of from their new guard, it’s Hinrich or bust.
It depends on what we want. The impact Sessions would have on Oden would be tangible, though.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Lots of names
being tossed around. That’s why this time of the year is so much fun, especially with KP as our GM! I would be happy with any one amongst Hinrich, Sessions, Conley, Turkoglu or Rubio (not necessarily in order of preference). Am willing to include Bayless, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Sergio, and possibly Blake, in a package to get our man. Not wanting to include Rudy or the Gorilla unless it were for an incrdible, can’t pass up, deal. Of course Roy, LMA and Oden completely off limits.
My 2 cents…
by socalblazer on May 25, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Assuming CP3 is available
Would you do Rudy, Outlaw, Sergio and LMA for
(wait for it…)
CP3 and David West?
I know, I know. The Blazers were a 54 win team and the roster just needs time to gel. Just a tweak, not a makeover, blah, blah blah
But a lineup of
CP3
Roy
Batum/Webster
West
Oden/Przy
Paul throwing his lob passes to Oden? No more slowest tempo in the NBA (Zaig will like that…) Marketing opportunities out the ying-yang? It would put Portland back on the NBA map and elevate KP to the favorite for the exec of the year
Why would NOLA do it? Salary shredder, they would get young players with affordable contracts. Not sure if they could resign LMA, but that’s their problem
When can it be done? Once the Blazers are under the cap they can make unbalanced trades, salary-wise
If you’re KP, do you go “all in”?
New Orleans wouldn’t do that deal for just CP3. Trading the superstar would devalue their franchise. They don’t want that.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
In a perfect economy, I agree
But sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. I have no idea of “how desperate” the times are right now for the Hornets, but this is the kind of deal that could conceivably be out there (like Gasol and Billups) where the “have” GM makes the “have-not” GM “bend over”
KP could put more sweetner on his side of the ledger, like Paul Allen’s money and draft choices. But if the motivation for NOLA is to drop salary (as has been rumored) David West’s 9+ mil contract has to be on the table
They want to dump Peja’s salary, not West’s.
If Shinn sells the franchise, which he might, he won’t give up CP3. He’ll lose far more money in franchise value than he would in luxury tax dollars.
I can see them trading West and a bad contract, but not CP3.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Reportedly Peja has a really bad back and considers retirement
That wouldn’t help their cap situation immediately, but in 2010 if he medically retires.
Really? That would single-handedly save the Hornets.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if another team under the cap comes along
And offers them young/affordable talent for Peja and West, more power to ’em
They already tried dealing Chandler to OKC for dreck, so I smell blood in those gulf coastal waters
sounds good to me,
where do i sign?
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 25, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% RPG APG SPG TO PF PPG
79 39 27.5 0.445 0.176 0.794 3.4 5.7 1.0 1.92 2.00 12.4
Sessions this season
Versatility
I think Sessions would add quite a bit of versatility to the roster. The Blazers would want another PG with better three point shooting (like Blake) on the roster, but I’d love for the Blazers to have some one with as much skill driving and dishing as Sessions. I also wonder how hard it would be for Sessions to improve his 3P%. Practice + being in the right system can make a big difference for shooting percentages. Heck, Blake shot 27% from three point range when he was on the Bucks. It seems that just about anyone can hit the stand-still corner three.
I think most people that dislike Sessions dislike him because they see Sessions as an alternative to Hinrich or someone else—and I’m not sure if that’s the case. Whether or not adding Sessions is a good move depends on the opportunity costs—what the Blazers give up and wont be able to get if they add him.
Good point about the versatility. He and Blake would really complement each other.
I’d rather have Hinrich/Bayless, but Sessions is nice.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
We’d probably have to cut Travis to get enough cap room to sign Sessions, though.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Sign and trade?
Hard to believe the Bucks will just let Sessions walk. More likely they’d match the offer and try to work out a deal with KP. Not sure if they’d want Outlaw (depends on Jefferson and Villanueva’s status) but they might be interested in either Sergio or Bayless to “replace” Ramon
At this point, I’d do a Bayless for Sessions swap.
This news seems to indicate that they will let him go, though.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
why cut Travis when you can cut Blake
it’s not like Blake is ready to move from Portland or could get much more than what he is getting paid now.
Joel Freeland=Stud
If we sign Sessions, I wonder what that does to Bayless.
It sounds like they have similar playing styles, and if we keep Blake, it would almost certainly move Bayless out of the lineup.
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 25, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
Bayless has more athletic ability (e.g. five inch more max vert, speed without the ball). Sessions also finishes around the rim and draws four times as many fouls as Blake but will never be a high-flying dunker. Yet he already has the methodical play to break an opposing defense down, a bit like a mini Roy (with a less-rounded skillset of course). They would be two interesting alternatives. A coach would have many options with those two, and I have a really hard time seeing how one of them won’t become really really good.
That said of course the Blazers might not want to implement any new young players, but as opposed to trading away a lot to get a high point guard draft pick (Curry, Lawson, Flynn, Maynor, …) who (A) has to be available and (B) pan out at least as good it seems a limited risk.
Ramon Sessions = young Andre Miller&=&=
Eerily similar.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
They are similar in almost every statistical category.
A 22-year-old Andre Miller for the MLE? Yes, yes and yes.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like we already have Sessions
If we are looking for a PG who doesn’t hit the 3 shot, is a mediocre defender, but who handles the rock well, drives and dishes to setup his teammates, and has expressed concern about his role/contract with his current team, I believe we already have him in the European form on the bench.
I’ll admit that I haven’t seen Sessions play – just wondering if people that have seen Sessions play in Mil would think that Sergio would put similar numbers if Sergio were in that same position.
Sergio has not nearly the same ability to score around the rim and draw fouls
In terms of inside scoring percentage, Sessions was on par with Harris last year (.547 vs. .543). While they have almost the same assist percentage (Sergio 1% better), Sergio turns the ball over 10% more, although Sessions attacks more.
Sorry, but I would take Sessions over Sergio in .5 seconds.
I was just about to post something similar.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
by Cablinasian on May 25, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If Sergio could finish or hit a mid-range jumper off the dribble
Then Yes he and Sessions would be very similar. But I’ve said thought it for awhile now that if Sergio actually could drive and finish or drive and draw a foul or had the ability to pull up and hit a midrange shot he’d be the starter.
In this case I’d rather take the player who has proven (at least a little) that he can get it done and not just hope and pray that some day Sergio will put it all together.
by nikolokolus on May 25, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Sessions breakdown at 82games.com, for those interested.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
Seems to me that
Sessions and Blake are pretty similar except Blake is the far better shooter and Sessions is far better at getting into the lane.
Passing #s look almost identical, from jumpshot, 3pters and dunk assists.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on May 25, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh… Sessions runs the pick and roll, Blake spots up.
Career AST%:
Blake – 26
Sessions – 36
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
It's hard to predict how roles and numbers change on a new team
I could imagine Hinrich playing much better on the Blazers. Or the same. I could imagine Felton playing better year, or worse since the system doesn’t work to his current strengths. Mo Williams was a scoring guard, now he is Cleveland’s Blake spotting up a lot when defenses collapse on LeBron and the big guys. That has put his PER on the best level of his career, but not sure he is really playing the best game of his career.
yeah but Sessions is a ball dominant PG
and unlike Blake does not have a strong playmaking SG next to him in Mr. 2.3-career-apg Redd. Everything runs through him and he controls everything.
Even with all that Blake only had 49 fewer A than Sessions this year.
Roy + Blake AST%= 51
Sessions + Redd AST%=49
So that means the starting BC attributed about 50% of all the assists for the teams in that year.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
Add Sessions to the wishlist
Another good Sessions breakdown on the Bucks SB blog in the link below. The general feel I get from reading a few entries is that the fans really want to keep Sessions, and let Charlie walk away if it comes down signing one of those players. What the Bucks mgmt will do is a different story.
http://www.brewhoop.com/2009/4/14/834448/the-bucks-absolutely-need-to-keep
Seems like his skill set would fit very well on the second unit. I’m imagining a pick and roll with Oden/Pryz up top, Sessions getting into the lane, and then passing it out to Rudy, Martell, or Trout for the 3 ball if the D collapses.
Don’t think he would quite as well on the first unit though, playing alongside Roy in the backcourt. Teams would just play off Brandon and Sessions and start clogging the lane on penetration. With his credentials, I assume he would want to play somewhere where he has a great chance to start.
He can neither defend nor shoot the 3
Those are 2 of the 4 things we need from the position. I wouldn’t be willing to give a lot up to get a player with an incomplete list of the talents we need from the position.
Don’t think he would quite as well on the first unit though, playing alongside Roy in the backcourt.
Well, if that’s true it’s a deal-breaker, no?
You don’t acquire Sessions to play behind Blake. Might as well keep Bayless and hope he developes to be as good as Sessions, if not better
I guess it all depends on KP and the scouts. If they have Sessions targetted as their future starting PG, they’ll be able to get him. Personally, I’d like to hear something positive re: Ramon’s perimeter defense before getting too excited
I'm checking "yes" on dealbreaker
Getting Sessions through free agency or through trade doesn’t make a whole of sense to me, unless KP was going for a roster shake up.
If we could rewind the draft from two years ago, it would make sense for the Blazers to draft Sessions in the 2nd round where he was plucked up by the Bucks. He has shown that he can be an impact player in the right system.
I feel it’s best to fill needs on a roster through free agency and through trades as opposed to the draft, where it makes the most sense to draft the player that you think will make the most impact in the league.
i think sessions is the perfect fit
true, he doesn’t shoot the best from beyond the arc, but he also doesn’t shoot much out there in general. i’m sure the Blazers can help him improve in this area. plus, we don’t necessarily need him to be a shooter when we’ve got rudy and webster in the game. i think having a pg that can drive to the hole and distribute (someone that can get his teammates involved, unlike Blake) is what the Blazers need and I think Sessions can help them there.
If you like what Sessions can do...
then you will be happy at what the draft will be able to offer the Blazers. There should be some quick PGs that can get into the lane who will be available for the Blazers. Someone like Collison from UCLA or Mills from St. Mary’s should be available. If the Blazers move up in the draft, Johnny Flynn from Syracuse and Ty Lawson from NC could be there to grab. Sounds like Sessions can finish better than these prospects, but all these guys offer a more balanced offensive game with better outside shooting.
We would save money by going with one of these draft picks plus, where Sessions would want a lot of playing time if he came to the Blazers, these guys would understand that their role would most likely be on the bench in the short term…unless they can immediately outplay Bayless for the backup PG (I’m assuming Sergio is as good as gone).
In his last season in Nevada Sessions shot 38% from three on 1.5 attempts per game in 34 games
He is a bit of an unknown, but any draft pick is more of an unknown.
Do you think Cleveland will want to make a change at point guard when they lose to Orlando?
I’m thinking Sergio and Outlaw for LeBron and Gibson.
I'm chubby because I'm full of love.
Speaking of Gibson, whatever happened to him?
Last year he was putting up three point records in the sophomore game, and now nothing.
why does he have lebron guarding Rafer in the beginning of every game and delonte west guarding Hedo
This puzzled me too
Hedo isn’t exactly a tough cover for LeBron.
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well i guess he can thank Lebron for his COY
because I think he has been out coached by the master of panic all series
I think I should have thrown Koponen into the "name 3 names" post
On the RealGM board a number of people still think the Blazers groom him for some future role on the team. I think he will be thrown into some deal this summer. Maybe he is in summer league, but I don’t have high hopes for him (and I had a few watching him last year throughout the EuroBasket qualifier). Maybe if he beats out Boykins next season (or Boykins moves as a FA) and PK gets a lot more playing time, but other than that I don’t think KP has a lot of qualms putting him as a little sweetener in some deal (maybe for future picks combined with second rounders).
Ramon Sessions' terrible three-point shooting and weak defense make him a no-go from the get-go.
With Brandon Roy as the Portland Trailblazers superstar in the backcourt, Kevin Pritchard must find a player who masks his weaknesses — which are lazy defense and sub-40% three-point shooting — hence, it’s Kirk Hinrich or bust.
I know people love the idea of a dribble-drive/drive-and-dish point guard like Sessions, but he’s not someone who’d mesh within Nate McMillan’s high/low zone offense. With Sessions at point guard, Portland’s offense would bog down and opponents would be smart to implement a match-up zone defense — which would hurt its overall efficiency — plus, the team’s defense would still be mediocre.
You should've piggybacked my post
Conley Jr is the permanent guy we need to go get. Hinrich is a band-aid that fits too small a portion of our window to give up a ton of assets for.
I'm not against Conley in principle mainly for his potential and connection to Greg
But you do realize that Sessions has the same speed, slightly better defensive rating, defensive win share, same FG%, much better assist%, turnover rate, and scores quite a bit more, right? He also had a 38% three point shot in college, but somehow lost that. And at least he doesn’t chuck threes with his bad rate. I think they are pretty much a wash in their development state (there were also trade talks of swapping the two between the teams), and it comes down to what style you want to play.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=2Igky
If the main goal is to shore up the defense and otherwise continue to play like before with a lot of off-guard play a la Blake I agree with AK it’s pretty much Hinrich or bust.
I guess it helps if you actually watch them play
Conley Jr is a much better defender than Ramon Sessions, and a guy playing of B-Roy HAS TO be able to shoot the 3 ball. It’s not really an option, as he needs that extra space to work, and that extra guy to kick out to. Sessions like Conley can penetrate, but the additional assist percentage IMO comes from the increased workload that he gets to use. Sessions has a high usage rate, that we’re not really looking for on this team. It’s nice that he can, but it’s not like Conley Jr couldn’t control the ball too if Mayo and Gay weren’t on his team. The fact Conley Jr was 21 and putting up 41% from 3 just puts him at that next level, especially as far as fit goes with this team. All this stated and I haven’t even mentioned the Oden factor. Sessions would be a gigantic step down as far as fit with this team goes in comparison to Conley. Add to that the increased contract you’d owe Sessions and it makes it that much harder. If you can get Sessions with the cap space, you could do that, but even then are you sure Nate would play him alongside Roy with how poor a fit he’d be? I’m not sure of that.
Yeah, I agree with you that Mike Conley, Jr. would be a better fit than Ramon Sessions.
Yet, Conley, Jr. still isn’t my first choice, although I’m sure that’s obvious to everyone here.
Conley is 6'1" and 180#
Nate likes his PGs to be strong enough to fight through P&R screens
(I realize Bayless isn’t much taller than MCJ, but his core/leg strength is superior to most players his size)
Hinrich is my first choice. I think we need a veteran defender and someone that complements Brandon. We can develop a point in the years that Hinrich will start.
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perfect time frame at a fair cost. Hinrich’s skill set is the optimum fit next to Brandon Roy, too, which is what makes him a desired commodity.
I dont get the Sessions love personally...
I think he is a terrible fit at the starting pg spot for one reason: he is not a threat to hit a 3 point shot. He is terrible from out there and Roy/Oden/LMA will all suffer if the blazers get a pg that cannot space the floor. No on Sessions, no on MIller, no on anybody that cant throw it in the ocean from distance….
RUDY > MJ
I believe they suffer more from a point guard who can't drive to make defenses collapse or find his big man in the post
Having the complete package would be nice (and like Bayless Sessions could hit the 3 in college, so it might come back with training like it did for Conley who improved 7% last year), but the first part is at least as important with the number of capable three point shooters we have in Travis, Rudy, Martell, Roy. Hinrich would be my first route, but a speedy young point guard in Conley or Sessions (who can be had for less as it seems) would be the way to go if the Blazers don’t believe Bayless is it.
Sessions would be perfect . . .
OK, first of all I think the most important part for everyone to realize is that this Blazer team only goes as far as the development of Greg Oden goes, and there are immediate advantages for Greg in getting a quick point who can get to the basket as opposed to one who can’t (cough, Hinrich, cough). A point who can get in the lane only sets up easy shots and dunks for Oden, and sure some would say these are only dunks, I want to see a low post game from Oden. The bottom line is though that easy buckets help players get comfortable. How many times do you see players having a bad night and then get a dunk or free throws and all of a sudden get it going? Well, Oden had a bad season, by his standards, so he needs easy buckets just to get him comfortable. Sessions can not only penetrate, but he is an elite passer. He will find Oden and get him comfortable. I think that is something that most Sessions haters don’t realize. He can get in the lane and he can pass. He had great assist numbers, on a bad team. Those numbers will only get better with better shot makers around him. Greg for a dunk, LMA in the mid range, Webster for three, Rudy for three, and Roy anywhere seem a lot more appealing than Charlie Bell, Dan Gadzuic, and Mbah a Moute. People just need to look at the numbers. Sessions, since he began starting (38 games), averaged 15.2 ppg, 7.5 apg, 4.1 rbp, and 1.34 spg. This is just the beginning too, as Hollinger said he could get a lot better.
In response to his defense, that is all will and mental toughness and defense can be taught. He obviously has great quickness, since he can get in the lane, but maybe we should try to look for reasons why this doesn’t translate on the defensive end. I think the biggest reason is because the Bucks have always sucked. Its hard to give everything you have on a terrible team. I think its an effort problem more so than ability. I’m not saying this is a pass, but I think Nate could whip him into defensive shape. Finally, some of you have mentioned the ups and downs of sessions as a concern, basically how he is great one night, bad the next. Well, this is why we try to keep Blake. We’ll always have a solid backup to help Sessions through his ups and downs, and hopefully he’ll grow more consistent.
KP, go get Ramon Sessions. Please.
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