Tyrus Thomas available?
by EngineerScotty on May 22, 2009 1:30 PM PDT
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According to Alan Hahn of Newsday, the Bulls are shopping Tygger--and might offer him cheap to anyone willing to take Kirk Hinrich off their hands.
The rumor, as stated, seems to think that the Knicks have a shot at Thomas. But assuming he could get along with Nate and stay out of trouble--he'd be sweet on the Blazers bench. We haven't had a havoc-wreaking non-center since Ruben left--and I'm sure we could tolerate Captain Kirk's contract. (If the Knicks were to acquire Hinrich--I would be POd if I were Chris Duhon).
OTOH, I suspect this rumor is, like most rumors, silly.
Hat tip to the Blogfather.
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id defenetely take him and kirk
he could be the Banger off the bench down low
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on May 22, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not a banger. Athletic but not built like a tank.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
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by dyshooter182 on May 22, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like this would be a good option fixing both the PG and the backup 4 positions
What would we have to give up to get him?
by trk on May 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Capwise, to make it work,
we’d probably have to sign Raef to a Keith Van Horn-type deal, then throw in Travis. That probably isn’t enough player-value-wise—Chicago has shown (recently) that they won’t give away talent for nothing. Apparently, they learned a lesson in the whole Tyson Chandler / JR Smith giveaway.
Sergio would probably be a good thrown-in; as they would need a backup PG to replace Kirk—but I think that’s still not enough.
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by EngineerScotty on May 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't the Blazers use cap space instead a giving Raef a new contract?
by trk on May 22, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe--I don't know how far under we are
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by EngineerScotty on May 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are around
9mil below the cap
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on May 22, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blockbuster: Blake, Outlaw, and Fernandez for Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas
Just a wild idea to think about. I bet we could get Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas for three of our players: Blake, Outlaw, and Fernandez. I know giving up Fernandez doesn’t sound appealing right now, but that’s probably what it would take. The Bulls are going to need a starting 2-guard if Ben Gordon leaves. Furthermore, it’s unlikely that Fernandez will be content playing behind Brandon for the long-term given Rudy’s ambitions and desirable shooting skills. Not sure that Fernandez has what it takes to consistently get his shot off and defend in playoff situations anyway. Martel has as much potential to drain 3s and will probably prove to be a better, more versatile defender with his size. I think Outlaw and Blake would also fit nicely into the Bull’s system. They need to fill the backup PG spot, which Blake does solidly and Outlaw gives them scoring punch. The Bulls would probably willing to pull another big trade because their trades last season helped them upgrade significantly.
Hinrich would become our starting PG and Thomas would potentially play a multiple backup role at SF and PF. He would be much better than Outlaw at defending the PF slot and he can rebound and block better too. The departure of Fernandez would leave minutes for Martel at backup SG. In this way we could potentially find enough minutes for Martel at SG/SF, Thomas at SF/PF and Batum at SF. Batum would probably be the odd man out with the fewest minutes behind Martel and Thomas, but I think this scenario could work for at least a couple of years until Batum becomes the dominant player everyone expects. Lastly, I think we would still need insurance at backup PF, so taking a young, high energy PF like Tyler Hansbrough in the draft would make sense.
This trade would keep us young and add playoff experience at needed positions (PG, SF). It would also give us a better defensive presence at SF and PF. Overall it addresses many issues, be it at PG, SG, SF, or PF, and I think it actually increases our versatility. I’m not sure that giving up 3 players to get 2 would work out financially in this situation given the relatively small contracts of Blake, Outlaw, and Fernandez and the bigger contracts of Hinrich and Thomas. It might be nice if it did, but I’m not the one to analyze that situation. If it were possible given our salaries/cap space etc., maybe they could also throw in Tim Thomas. I like his game.
What do you think?
by MisterOden on May 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way the Blazers do that
The Blazers are giving up arguably the best player in the trade (Rudy) for relatively small upgrades at 2 positions, and they are also sacrificing their cap space to do it. If if were just Blake and Outlaw for Hinrich and Thomas that would be a reasonable deal (upgrading defensively at the expense of cap space), but add in Rudy and it just becomes horrid for the Blazers.
by trk on May 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls wouldnt do it
Nobody outside of Portland knows how good Steve Blake is. Chicago would erupt in riots if they traded Thomas and Hinrich for only Blake and Outlaw. To Bulls fans they are garbage
by quezadaz on May 23, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it gives them a shot at LeBron/Wade/Bosh?
Talent wise Hinrich and Thomas are a little bit better than Blake and Outlaw due to being better on defense. However, they are also paid a lot more than Blake and Outlaw. By getting rid of Hinrich and Thomas, the Bulls will save money which they could spend on other players.
The only Bulls players with guaranteed salary for 2010 are Deng, Hinrich, and Salmons. They also have some cheap team options on Rose and Noah. If they dump Hinrich, they can pick up the team options on Rose and Noah and still only have around $25 million of total salary. With that much cap space they could sign a superstar or two to pair with Rose and end up with a pretty good team.
by trk on May 24, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
upgrades hard to find
Parting with Rudy might not be a great idea, but being able to upgrade at PG and SF/PF is what bringing in Hinrich and Thomas would do. An upgrade over quality players like Blake and Outlaw is hard to find, but we need it to win a championship. Given starters minutes again, I think Hinrich will find his groove in Portland and show he is a more complete PG than Blake. Much like Outlaw, Thomas gives us an athlete who can play SF and PF, but he gives you defense, rebounding and intangibles you need to win playoff games. So, having the chance to upgrade at PG and SF/PF with young talent should not be underestimated.
by MisterOden on May 24, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upgrades are nice, but
the problem is that Hinrich and Thomas aren’t very big upgrades and they would use up most of the Blazer’s cap space, severely limiting the Blazer’s ability to acquire more talent. Offensively, Blake and Outlaw are probably better than Hinrich and Thomas so the deal would really only help the Blazers on defense. Even without Rudy, this seems like the type of deal the Blazers should do if they can’t get anything better with the cap space, rather than the type of deal that they would be really enthusiastic about.
by trk on May 24, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good rule of thumb for trade rumors is...
…if we’ve heard about it it’s already dead. You never know, though. You know?
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by GonzoFan on May 22, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Peavy and Chicago?
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on May 22, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Discussed this a while ago
Thomas/Kirk for Blake/Outlaw/Pick(s)
They get rid of TT and save money on Kirk. They get a backup PG who is actually a backup PG as well as a SF/PF hybrid.
We get a PG and a true backup PF. And TT + LMA would be funny.
by Zaig on May 22, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would take him on my team.
If only for the comical value of having both TT and LMA.
Seriously though, I’d take him.
by Bskey on May 22, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard about this yesterday and thought
it might make sense for Philly to try and dump Brand on them and pick up a pg and another forward project as they are almost certainly losing Miller and Thomas would be a nice add for just about any team
I dont know why he is getting called a banger though. Garbage man and good weakside defense are more his calling cards.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on May 22, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not going to play
He’ll sit on the bench and sulk and it would be counterproductive to have him on the team.
No thanks TT. – Elgin
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by 22baylor on May 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it, if nothing else to get Kirk. And if TT didn't work out, we could just let him go, or trade him at the deadline. His perceived value is rising.
We would have to throw in another player other than Blake and Outlaw, as the salaries dont match. Blake, Outlaw, and Frye in a sign and trade would do it. Chicago would at least have to consider that one.
by dario argento on May 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
salaries dont need to match as long as we will be under the cap
i haven’t looked at the salaries hwoever to know if we can absorb the extra space tho.
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by Philthyanimal on May 24, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich isn't that good guys, they had him and drafted Derrick Rose anyway
by rip_city_swagger on May 22, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Memphis has Conley
and will in all probability draft Rubio.
Like Chicago with Hinrich, Memphis will hang onto Conley until Rubio requires the major minutes.
Potential vs proven? Requires NBA game-time performance before giving up an asset.
And whether THAT asset is a better fit in your system.
Rose is proving to be a better fit for Chicago, that doesn’t mean " Hinrich isn’t that good."
by spencerbutte on May 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about a move for..
Conley and Warrick?
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by GonzoFan on May 22, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't not draft somebody who can be better just because the guy you have is already good.
by Bskey on May 22, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
exhibit A: Drafting Aldridge while we still had Z-Bo
exhibit B: Drafting Oden while we have Przybilla
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by lefty6283 on May 23, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit A – drafting LA while having Z-Bo.
Exhibit B – drafting Duncan when you have David Robinson.
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by rudydrops3s on May 25, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Thomas gets moved.
“The word on the street is the Bulls will open contract extension talks with Thomas’ agent this summer — he is eligible for an extension that would kick in for the 2010-11 season this summer — to keep him in Chicago. That’s where Thomas wants to be and that’s where the Bulls want him to be.”
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by Nick Van Excellent on May 22, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Tyrus Outlaw, but we already have Travis Thomas. Maybe if we can melt them down into one super-athletic-flashes-of-brilliance-stretches-of-idiocy player we can trade that and the 24th pick for Chris Paul and Dwyane Wade!
by Marvin100 on May 22, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a big difference between Outlaw and Thomas on defense
by trk on May 22, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And on offense. In the other direction.
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by EngineerScotty on May 22, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, would have 3 of the 4 lotto picks from the 06 drafts that weret colasol busts
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by thomasikehara on May 22, 2009 10:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it would be pretty easy to get the others
especially the stache
by raging WebTed on May 23, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets run down the list
1. bargnani-bust
2. LA
3. morisson-bust
4. thomas-decent
5. sheldin williams-bust
6. roy
7. foye-bust
8. gay-pretty good
9. 0’bryant-who?
10. sene-who?
11. redick-bust
12. armstrong-who?
13. sefalosha
that lotto sucked
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by thomasikehara on May 23, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT
I think its way to early to call Randy Foye a bust. Do you even watch Minn games??
by quezadaz on May 23, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i was a little harsh on foye,
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by thomasikehara on May 23, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sefalosha is kinda good
He is probably the best defender that you listed. He isnt great on offense but is pretty decent
by quezadaz on May 23, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foye is coming along, Gay is really good and Reddick is coming along as well in the playoffs while still a crappy defender
But yeah, not a great draft lottery. The Blazers definitely got the best value out of that class, and arguably even the two best players.
by Norsktroll on May 23, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think there is an argument there
unless you consider Gay.. but he is on par with LMA..
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 23, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gay is not on par with LMA
Rudy Gay didn’t really play that well this year. At this point I would say that LMA is definitely the 2nd best player in the 2006 lottery, and his main competition for 2nd best in the 2006 draft overall comes from Rondo and Millsap.
by trk on May 23, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bargnani-not a bust
He averaged 15points 5 rebounds and is a 7 footer that can shoot 40 percent from the 3. He also averaged 1.2 blocks and this is in 31 minutes. Our beloved LaMarcus averaged 18 points 7.5 rebounds .9 blocks in 37 minutes. I would say that these two players are pretty similar; Both power forwards that would rather shoot a jumper than bang. I like LaMarcus more because he is more athletic and more of a post threat. But I think it might be going too far calling Bargnani a bust.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on May 23, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bargnani is a poor rebounder and a terrible, terrible defender at 3-5. He actually has a negative Wages of Win score, meaning that by Berri’s estimation, they’d be better without him playing. I’m not a huge fan of Berri’s, but it’s pretty interesting.
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by Cablinasian on May 23, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting stat
Most of those players were on losing teams and/or bench players with little run. I love seeing our own frye on the list; only more reason to say goodbye. I like your point, but still don’t think the man is an overall bust. Too high for numero uno? Yes. Bust? No.
by NDREXLERDRIVE on May 24, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
Get the guy we gave up for LMA?
Well, it would have a nice circular quality to it.
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by haildablazer on May 22, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if only we could get kryapa back
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by thomasikehara on May 23, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes!
The return of the Russian Connection!
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by haildablazer on May 23, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Bonis while we're at it.
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by haildablazer on May 23, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's
Lithuanian, and he would still kill shaq.
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by HurraKane212 on May 24, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus had some great games last season
For whatever reason, he fancies himself a jump shooter, so he takes too many jumpers, but he’s a helluva athlete and a good, active defender… but not really a smart one.
But weakside shotblocking wise, he’s like Josh Smith two seasons ago.
Tyrus suffers from tweendom and positionlessness, but if I had him on my team he’s a guy I would set free to create havoc on the defensive end— block shots, gamble for steals, just use that length and athleticism as a wild card.
He certainly is no bust and actually should become a pretty good player. I’d be surprised if the Bulls lose him, though I could see him being a big part of a nice trade. He showed plenty of value this last season.
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by Mortimer on May 23, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean like the birdman?
also please tyrus, no shooting
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 23, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not a good interior defender, that's why I don't understand the notion that he and Noah are the same player
The Josh Smith comparison sounds pretty good. Or maybe an Antawn Jamison/Tyson Chandler mix. I was thinking if we could give up Joel in a multi-player deal because I somehow thought TT was 6’11’’, but at 6’9’’ that is not an option. Great backup, but not for the C spot. I think PF will stay his position.
by Norsktroll on May 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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