Trade Drawer 5/21: Now Conley-Free
by Royster on May 20, 2009 11:46 PM PDT
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Well, after 1200 comments or so in the last two trade drawers, largely dominated by discussions of a certain Grizzlies point guard, I thought we should mix it up a little bit. For everyone dying for more Conley-Bayless debate, I suggest going here, but let's try and limit this to non-Conley related topics for this post, at least.
So without further ado, I turn to Norsktroll's first love for a draft trading partner: the Washington Wizards. As has been pointed out by Norsk and others previously, Abe Pollin is really trying to get under the luxury tax threshold while keeping his core in place. Since they have a couple bad contracts, but no real assets outside of their pick, it seems to be a good use of our cap space. So here's a starting proposal:
Sergio, Outlaw for Darius Songaila, Deshawn Stevenson, and #5 overall pick.
Obviously Sergio sounds like he wants out, and Outlaw's time will be severely curtailed with Webster and Batum gobbling up any SF minutes that aren't used by Brandon/Rudy, but both are cheap pieces for Washington. Stevenson is pretty worthless, bus Songaila has shown himself to be a serviceable back up PF, and we'd be able to take the number 5 pick, and look at one of the many non-Rubio PGs in the draft. Based on draftexpress.com (I'm too lazy to cross check all the sites), the following guys would be available at 5 and expected to go in the lottery: Jordan Hill, James Harden, Tyreke Evans, Stephen Curry, Dejuan Blair, Ty Lawson, Gerald Henderson, Jonny Flynn, Earl Clark. A decent list of names.
And let's try and avoid Conley talk in here for now.
EDIT: Salary info for Songaila and Stevenson.
Both expiring contracts in 2011 (Stevenson has a PO for his final season). Stevenson owed ~$8 million total, Songaila owed ~$9 million total. This is enough to get Washington under the luxury tax.
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Deshawn Stevenson is terrible.
Would we just buy out his contract?
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wouldn't expect to see him in a Blazer uni
about $8 million guaranteed. expires in 2011.
by Royster on May 20, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does he have
“poppa smurf” on his bling?
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on May 21, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like flynn at five
although i think we could get him a little later for less. I think a backcourt of him and bayless could be one of the best one-two punch in the league. Flynn is small(but then again a lot of pg’s now are) and may not be the best defender seeing as how he played in a zone at ’cuse but one thing you cannot question about him is his heart. I watched every minute of that 5 ot thriller against uconn and he(and their other guard that fouled out i forget his name) clearly wanted that game more than any of the uconn players. I have no question that he will be one of those players that steps his game up come playoff time.
anyways think of having him and bayless at pg. Flynn would be the quick one and bayless would be the power one. Think of it like rex and the raptor(yea that sounds awesome!)
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 21, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
the only issue is he’s not a very good basketball player. No matter how much heart you have it doesn’t make up for the fact that he’s a poor defender, a poor shooter, a poor passer that turns it over too much that can’t penetrate in the NBA like he did in college. He’s not an NBA quality PG.
by as11osu on May 21, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see
and he was one of the top assist men in the country at 6.7 a game
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 21, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen this yet?
"Rubio doesn’t want to go to Memphis, and he especially does not want to pay money out of his own pocket with that huge buyout for the honor of doing so. Fegan [Rubio’s agent] wants him in L.A., and if he can’t have him there, he wants him in Sacramento. Definitely not Oklahoma City."
He’ll pull out if he doesn’t like what he’s hearing," the NBA source tells us. "Or he can stay in and force the Grizzlies to call his bluff—would they really take him knowing that he may never come over? That’s one way to get him to fall to three."-Draft Express
Thanks JordanLeDoux.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 21, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow!
if only he didn’t say he wanted to go to sactown then getting the fifth pick would be a lot more tempting.
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 21, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If OKC can't draft him...
who could they possibly take that would be better than Bayless and/or Outlaw? Outlaw is probably a better prospect than Jordan Hill and Bayless would be the second most valuable PG in this draft.
Maybe not trading Outlaw and RLEC was a good idea.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 21, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Jennings than Bayless
But Bayless IMO would come in 3rd in PG’s in this years loaded class. Outlaw also would be better than Hill like you said. Even Webster would be pretty high on the SG/SF list. We can definitely work our way up if we so choose. Also we have legit throw ins if need be like Sergio and Freeland, and all those extra late first early second rounders.
by as11osu on May 21, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's close.
I love Jennings, but teams aren’t bending over backwards trying to get him. Apparently there were a bunch of offers for Bayless near the trade deadline.
But yeah, I think Jennings might surprise people next year.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 21, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt this enamors him to KP (or other GMs). And he is proud of it, he uses it as his Twitter profile pic and elsewhere
by Norsktroll on May 21, 2009 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His hair is awesome.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 21, 2009 4:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Back Tattoo
That says Bayless isn’t much better
It seems that everyone's real problem is they just don't drink enough coffee. They lose their edge, lose track of their priorities, and end up sleeping a third of their life away.
by jlarose78 on May 21, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think "Young Money" has a whole 'nother connotation
You have to be LeBron-good to pull something like that off. I’m not stoked about the Florida back tattoos of Haslem and Marquis Daniels either. Or the praying hands with guns of Jackson.
by Norsktroll on May 21, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt
KP gives a rat’s behind about prospects’ back tattoos.
by kickbrass on May 21, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
it all depends on how high they are on a guy like harden or if memphis decides they like hill more then thabeet leaving thabeet available for okc, but ya outlaw or bayless for the 3 might work. Although i wonder how much they like bayless seeing as how they passed on him last year for westbrook
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 21, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a good choice.
Westbrook is pretty similar to Bayless only with more length. I think OKC was really into him, they just liked Westbrook a little more. They could still use a shooting guard and moving Bayless to the 2 spot with Westbrook at PG would be a pretty mighty combo.
That would make an incredible running team.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 21, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
James Harden is just sick...
His ceiling is Brandon Roy….not bad
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on May 21, 2009 4:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his ceiling
is Rookie year Brandon Roy, not current incarnation Broy.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 21, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's a lot like Eric Gordon
Nowhere near as athletic, but he loves him the contact.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on May 22, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that's a bad sign
It’d be one thing if it meant we had a shot at him, but that’s not realistic. Hopefully he softens up that stance some.
by Royster on May 21, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rudy could talk to him
he has a way with words
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 21, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"portland ladies love us."
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on May 21, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he wouldn't mind Portland
but I don’t see the grizzlies dealing his rights for what we’d be willing to give up.
by Royster on May 21, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about OKC?
The Grizzlies like Thabeet anyway. This will likely tip the scales and Rubio will fall to Sactown. We would only have to get the third pick in order to ruin Sacramento’s draft hopes for a consecutive year.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 21, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to tell,
they’d have to really like Jerryd, and as we saw with Ibaka last year, Presti seems to be ready and willing to call Euro guys bluffs when they try to dictate terms. Whether that works out or turns into another Fran Vazquez is hard to say now, though.
by Royster on May 21, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's true
Then Rubio won’t want to come to Portland. I doubt he’s read many positive things over in Spain about the Blazers coach and his use of Spanish point guards.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 21, 2009 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just what I feared. He wants to be the heir to Fisher and play with Kobe.
Maybe we can land Farmar :)
by Norsktroll on May 21, 2009 3:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I quote myself
What do we do if the Lakers trade the house to bring Rubio to LA?
I think he would prefer Kobe + Jackson to Roy + Nate. Or any a little more free-wheeling system.
by Norsktroll on May 20, 2009 7:50 PM PDT
by Norsktroll on May 21, 2009 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word Up
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 21, 2009 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hrm...
bayless, sergio, outlaw <==> conley, rubio, gasol….lol
conley, roy, batum, aldridge, oden
rubio, rudy, webster, gasol, przybilla
one can wish…
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on May 21, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#5 is the worst pick in the draft
after Jennings goes, there goes my interest in trading up this high. None of those players listed both deserve to be picked #5 and fit a need for us.
Maybe if you trade up to #5 you can work out a deal to bring in Rubio if he scares Memphis off, that’d be my only goal for the pick. You could then use that #5 pick along with our #24 pick and add Webster for the rights to pick #2 where you select Ricky Rubio. We’d also have to take on a bad contract that fits (Nocioni 4 years at 7 Mil per).
If you’re scoring at home this is the over under…
We give up:
Travis Outlaw
Jerryd Bayless,
Sergio Rodriguez
Martell Webster
We get:
Ricky Rubio
Darius Songaila
Deshawn Stevenson
Andres Nocioni
by as11osu on May 21, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wait u propose trading for five
then taking the five, 24 and webster for the 2 and nocioni. so we trade 4 rotation players and a first round pick for rubio and songalia and 2 bad contracts? i have to think we can get the second pick for way way less
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 21, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Because I think it’d actually cost way more
Trade Away
Travis Outlaw
Jerryd Bayless,
Sergio Rodriguez
Martell Webster
#24
Trade For
Ricky Rubio
Darius Songaila
Deshawn Stevenson
Andres Nocioni
Which would leave us with….
PG: Rubio / Blake
SG: Roy / Rudy / Stevenson (buy him out)
SF: Batum / Nocioni
PF: Aldridge / Songaila / Freeland
C: Oden / Przybilla
#32, #38, #55, #56
by as11osu on May 21, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really not that I have any burning desire to pick fifth
I agree that it’s one of least valuable picks, but that’s also why it’s available. I think it’s relatively accessible due to Washington’s financial situation, so I’d rather talk about it and maybe reaching for a guy than listen to pipe dreams about trading Sergio and 24 for #8.
And besides, 1200 posts later, I thought it was time to talk about something other than Conley, because as little as people want to admit it, that’s in no way a sure thing and isn’t even likely.
by Royster on May 21, 2009 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I would trade for number 5
is a step toward number 2 or 3, where ever we could land Rubio
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on May 21, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is the cost of trading up worth it?
With Rubio having contract issues (though we would be one of the most able teams to solve the buyout problem) are non-Rubio PG’s + the cost of trading up really better than Bayless?
by IsiahRiderLivedOnMyStreet on May 21, 2009 1:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the trade at all
- I’m not a fan of Deshawn Stevenson, just doesn’t float my boat, I’d rather have Keyon Dooling
- Darius Songaila costs 4 times as much as Hansbrough and his name is Darius
- I’m so over the Blazers drafting point guards, either get a vet or put some faith in Bayless
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 21, 2009 3:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hollinger on Wizards (their GM as publicly said they are shopping for the right offer)
With 14 players already under contract for next season I have a feeling they might do it again, packaging it with an unwanted contract in order to make a run with their current roster while still getting under the luxury tax.
For instance, the Wizards could trade down with Memphis (No. 27), Oklahoma City (No. 25) or Sacramento (No. 23), throw in $3 million (the maximum allowed) and dump Etan Thomas’ $7.3 million on their lap, simultaneously getting Washington back to the tax line while still adding another young player. Alternatively, the Wizards could ask for a role-playing wing with a modest contract, or just structure it as a straight salary dump for a future conditional pick.
A lot of possibilities are on the board here, too many to enumerate. Suffice to say that I’d be stunned if Washington actually uses the pick. The salary commitment is too high once tax concerns are taken into account, and the expected immediate return too low. For a team hoping to bounce back quickly behind a healthy Gilbert Arenas, they’re much better off using the pick as a trade asset.
by Norsktroll on May 21, 2009 7:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We could be interested in that quite a bit. Etan Thomas is overpaid, but not a bad veteran guy (think Brian Grant) to have for a year. We have a pick in the region Hollinger lines out, second round picks that a team doesn’t have to guarantee or stash away in Europe, and “a role-playing wing with a modest contract” reads like a description of our SFs. From a #5 pick you have a much better negotiation position.
by Norsktroll on May 21, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with Thomas
I just chose Darius and Stevenson because they had an extra year on their contracts. Thomas expires next season, and they’ll want to open up more time for Mcgee with Haywood coming back, though, so They might really want to move him instead, even though his contract expires next year.
by Royster on May 21, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't anyone bringing up Mike Conley Jr?
seems like he could really help the team.
by Escrote on May 21, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a different trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ogpndj
Sergio, Outlaw, #24, #32 to Golden State for Turiaf, #7
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
by cloudydays on May 21, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Take Jennings if he falls that far
or Curry, or Maynor
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
by cloudydays on May 21, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the slowest trade drawer ever
What do you think it would take to get Jordan Farmar?
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 21, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So much for my assumption that
people would be tired of discussing Conley after 2 full days of nothing but Conley-talk.
by Royster on May 21, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all fueled by rumors
Even the trade folks are sick of Conley. In a few days Ford will say that he heard that some team is looking to clear cap space and trade an unexpected player and the feeding frenzy will commence again. Think of trade talk like blood in the water and the trade talkers as sharks.
"Hey Beavis, let's rock!"
by tominhawaii on May 21, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 team Trade
Here is what I would like to see.
Portland Trades
Rodriguez to Golden State
Fernandez to the Clippers
Outlaw to the Grizzlies
Portland Receives:
Conely from The Griz
I think we have to Give up Rudy if we want Conley. This would also open up some playing time for Bayless at SG, and put Blake off the Bench.
Memphis Trades
Second Pick to the Clippers
Conley to Portland
Memphis Receives:
First Pick from LA
Outlaw from Portland
Sergio from Portland
M Belinelli from Golden State
I think they would pay this price to move up.
Golden State Trades:
M Belinelli to the Griz
Maggette to the Clippers
Golden State Receives:
Baron Davis
Apprently they want him back
Clippers Trade:
First Pick to the Griz
Baron Davis to the Clippers
Clippers Receive:
Second Pick from the Griz
Fernandez from Portland
Magette from the Clippers
They replace Davis w/ Rubio, and gain an instant fanbase in Spain w/ Rubio and Rudy.
So, does this idea have any merit? Which team would not want this deal?
by Risk on May 21, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, that's a mouthful
you’d have to run it through the trade checker to make sure salaries matchup (in case you haven’t yet), but it looks okay on the surface for all teams, although we’d probably blink first. Including Rudy and only getting back Conley doesn’t feel like enough.
Aside from that, the Clips probably say no. They already have Gordon at the 2, so Rudy’s a little unnecessary. Plus, Griffin is sounding like a sure fire pick these days, one of those no doubt #1’s, and you don’t really see those traded ever.
by Royster on May 21, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here me out this works
Trade Sergio to Orlando for Anthony Johnson and a 2010 second round pick
Let Frye, Ruffin, Randolf, Raef Walk
Sign Joe Smith via FA
Use Outlaw and #24 to Toronto for Kris Humphries and # 9 (Draft Dejuan Blair)
It seems that everyone's real problem is they just don't drink enough coffee. They lose their edge, lose track of their priorities, and end up sleeping a third of their life away.
by jlarose78 on May 21, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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