Trade Drawer 5/20
by tikiliki on May 20, 2009 9:51 AM PDT
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PrintI seem to recal that during the regular season, near the trade deadline, a trade drawer was started to keep the side bar clear of redundant posts and to put ALL trade ideas in. Now that Memphis has the chance to draft Rubio and also is in position of a certain point guard that catches our fancy, what are the trade options for with rubio or conley? Who would you rather have? Personally, I am a Conley guy and could see us trade:
Trout (obviously)
our 1st pick
some second rounders
any 2 of blake, sergio, rex
money
(plus we will need to take on a contract)
Also remember, this drawer is for all trade talk, not just conely and rubio
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If Memphis ends up with Rubio like they should
I doubt they would part with Rubio they would want to see what tthey can get for Conley.
I say
we trade with chicago:
24th pick
steve blake
travis outlaw
???
for
Kirk Hinrich
16th pick – (Dejuan Blair, if still available)
"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP
by Arby on May 20, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Now that Conley is available, I have 1 problem with Hinrich
We’ve seen Hinrich at his peak. Conley shouldn’t be all that close to his yet. Conley could also be with us longer. The Oden thing is simply icing. He’s also cheaper than Hinrich.
I still wouldn’t mind Hinrich, but Conley seems like a decent guy to go for, although I wouldn’t risk parting with Blake to do so. (I’m assuming that Nate would be smart enough to make Conley the starter and Blake the 18-20mpg guy that he should be.)
That said
Outlaw + Sergio/Bayless + Draft pick doesn’t seem like a bad deal for Conley. They get a backup PG, a backup SF/PF hybrid, whatever else they want to pick and if they wanna dump a crappy contract on us they can.
We get a guy at the position we need someone at.
Agreed. Conley > Hinrich long term
Who knows? With playing time, Conley may even be better this year.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I don't see how Conley is so much better than Bayless...
I bet if we do this trade, we’ll kick ourselves for getting rid of him. I don’t think Conley is the all-world PG we’d want to trade for. Hinrich, yes. We know what we are getting with Hinrich, a top tier defensive PG who is an adequate scorer. The only trade I’d do with Memphis is for their #2 pick… Which might be tough, but I’d give up Bayless, Blake, and Martell for Rubio in a heartbeat (provided he can get out of his contract).
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hinrich is barely an adequate scorer.
He can hit 3’s alright, but that’s the extent of his offensive arsenal. He’s a 41% career FG shooter. He can’t drive and he’s got average court vision. Sure he’s got defense and toughness, but he doesn’t have much past that.
Conley can do a lot more offensively. Bayless, for all his ability to drive the lane, was wildly inconsistent last season even when he was going to the hoop. His jump shot is also not even close to as consistent as Conley’s. It was painful to watch Bayless miss jumpers last year.
Rubio would be my definite first choice. I really hope KP can swing that deal and get Ricky in a Portland uniform. If that doesn’t work, then Conley is a very nice 2nd choice.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I'd do the trade for Conley, but keep Bayless somehow. Trade Blake and Outlaw for him, say...
I see Conley as more of an upgrade to Blake, but not an upgrade to Bayless.. And that’s not based on current skill but more on potential and “ceiling”.
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
and have 2 inexperienced PGs on our team?
No way…I understand where you are coming from, but i’d rather have 1 potential guy and blakes steadyness vs 2 potential players that will need to make mistakes to learn…besides nate hasn’t demonstrated he can trust any inexperienced player, what happens when he pulls conley and bayless for bonehead mistakes?
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
by Philthyanimal on May 20, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Our bench could also use some consistency
Bayless cannot bring consistency to our bench. I don’t care how big of a fan of his you are, this is fact.
Conley starting and Blake coming off the bench gives us better defense with the starters and can hopefully help kick the pure iso game that we run. Blake coming off the bench gives us consistency and spreads the floor with some nice 3 point shooting in Blake, Rudy, Webster.
i dont necessarily need 2 consistent PGs
as long as we have one stable one and one who has potential to be better than the stable one i think that should be fine. i dont mind your scenario…i would think blake would struggle making plays on the bench, but with rudys court vision i think he could take a bigger role in handling the ball on the 2nd unit.
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
by Philthyanimal on May 20, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That is a concern
Blake doesn’t make players as a starter, but with Roy/LMA that’s okay.
The bench needs a guy who can move the ball around and create. Not sure if Blake could do that, but I’m hoping Rudy will next year and hopefully Martell regains his late season form. Or a backup PF that we pick up. (If we don’t, there is always the option of doing what we do now and leaving LMA in a bit longer, then replacing him with Roy.)
Conley is an actual pg
and not a combo guard like Bayless
I wouldnt say he is better or worse than Bayless, but definitely different
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Conley has a little combo in him
I mean every gaurd does. He is not a true PG like Stockton or CP3… very few PG’s are true PG’s.
That is true
but when compared to Bayless I would say he has a lot more pg in him
I remember him being hailed as a true pg during 2007, but that is a bit of a nebulous term IMO
I guess I was really responding to the idea that you could really compare Bayless and Conley
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Downgrade?
Conley has more turnovers in fewer minutes than Blake.
Conley has fewer assists per game than Blake.
Conley has less experience/court smarts than Blake.
Most importantly, Conley has two inches less HEIGHT than Blake.
Where’s the gain?
by monkeysuncle on May 20, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake isn't very aggressive which is the main reason for his low turnovers
Conley is on the same level, and has 10% lower turnovers per 100 possessions than Sergio. Conley is on the smaller side, but his 35/40 vertical leaves Blake in the dust.
Conley is on the smaller side, but his 35/40 vertical leaves Blake in the dust
Nate doesn’t like short/skinny PGs who can’t fight through P&R screens
I’m not saying Blake is a better defender than Conley, but keep in mind McMillian may not be in the Conley “camp” due to his size
Nate said on the radio that Steve was too small to fight through screens.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
Wow, really?
I missed that one. When did he say that?
Was it meant as a defense of Steve, or calling him out? Hard to tell the tone in a recap of course.
he was on local radio, and the host asked him what was wrong with the Blazer pick and roll defense.
He said that his point guards weren’t big enough to fight through screens, essentially. More of a defense of Steve. He raved about his effort, just bemoaned the physical limitation.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
Conley is short, but not skinny
listed at 180, 8 pounds heavier than Blake, despite being shorter. He also had had 13 reps on the bench press at the combine (compared to 10 for Bayless). Conley is an elite physical specimen, possibly even moreso than Jerryd.
Also, despite being shorter
over a 2" difference in wingspan between him and Jerryd.
Gains?
Speed
Scoring
Age
Ability to create
Defense
Oden BFF (Sounds silly but maybe we will actually run a pick and roll if we get Conley?)
Not to mention
Fast break. Since Roy doesn’t like to run it, Conley gives us a much better option then Blake.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading Bayless vs. trading Blake
Of coarse keeping Blake is the safe bet. Right now Blake > Bayless is a very reasonable argument.
But ask yourself, what are the chances that Bayless with all his physical abilities and work ethic is going to be better and probably much better than Blake by next season? I would say about 80%.
Trading Bayless with all his potential rather than a guy who will be in decline in a couple of years just seems like poor economics to me.
by upper left corner on May 21, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
i see rubio
in a clippers uniform,i see thabeet in a grizzlies uniform and i see b.griffin in a thunder uniform on draft night.a win win for everyone.and i see b.davis back in g.state by july 10.th.as for the blazers seriously,who the hell knows what pricthard is going to do.remember he likes gingerbread men as players.it’s going to be tough for pricthard to get past the mr.rogers type guys.and aquire some thugs and ballers to get roy over the hump.
Why Thabeet?
I know Ford and other having been promoting this, but I don’t understand when they already have Gasol AND they have the 2nd pick in (yet another) 2 player draft.
Dunleavy said today they will take Griffin
“Clearly, we’re taking Blake Griffin,” Clippers General Manager and Coach Mike Dunleavy said in a telephone interview from Barcelona, Spain with the LA times.
Meh....
He went to scout Rubio before the draft lottery. Read about if on True Hoop a day or two ago.
by antediluvian on May 20, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
this comment has no basis in reality.
Thugs /=/ ballers. Roy is a baller but he is not a thug. Oden is not a gingerbread man (Ray Allen will confirm this for you. Przybilla is not a gingerbread man (seen Chandler, Tyson). Batum is not a gingerbread man (see Pau Gasol).
You are totally off base sir. Try again.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.
by premthegrem on May 20, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
and Baron Davis
is back in Golden State? How on earth is that even possible? He’s got a contract with the clips.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
If Artest can say it, so can I. Broy>Kobe.
by premthegrem on May 20, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
“The Clippers, according to insiders, have a crush on point guard Ricky Rubio. If Los Angeles was to draft Rubio, word is it would look to trade current starting point guard Baron Davis, the former Warriors star. (Maybe the new GM, whom the Warriors say has autonomy over the roster, would be inclined to reacquire Davis?)”-Contra Costa Times
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
It will be really tough to trade Baron Davis with his current contract.
Something like 4 years and about $50 million still remaining.
by antediluvian on May 20, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true.
But Baron would still be a million times easier to move than Z-Bo. On the Basketball Jones they were just joking around about how the Clippers probably don’t want Randolph to even say hi to Griffin much less be in the same locker room. What are they going to do about that? It’s a crazy mess down in LA.
At any rate, Baron Davis, Mike Conley, Ricky Rubio, or Russle Westbrook, should be available depending on who drafts who. I would take ANY of those guys over Blake, Bayless, or Sergio.
Davis is risky, but he just posted his worst numbers in the past ten years. He is undervalued and his trade value has been depleted. The previous seven seasons his offensive efficiency has been on par with the best point guards in the league. He’s 30, but I don’t see his career going down the tubes quite yet. I would be very tempted to take a chance on him depending on what the Clippers want.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Conley, Rubio, or West
Davis seems cancerous though. He’s also the definition of a chucker and had a shooting percentage that makes Bayless feel better. And his contract is bleh. The others would all be nice options though.
I don't think he's cancerous.
Apparently the Warriors are doing everything they can to try and get him back. That wouldn’t happen Davis had hurt his team.
His contract is rough, but hey, Nash went to the Suns when he was 30 and that worked out all right. I think Davis has 3 or 4 good years left in him.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
only one team wins a title every year. That doesn’t mean Derrick Fisher is the best PG in the league.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Never said he was but he does have rings
How many does Nash have? Don’t get me wrong I like Nash fine but 2 MVP;‘s no Ring’s. Ask BRoy what he would rather have.
You can't blame Nash you can blame his team
Take the last 10 titles teams. Replace their PG with Nash. I gurantee that the same team still wins those 10 titles. The lone exception could possibly be the Spurs if you throw Parker out, but even Duncan/Nash/Manu probably take the titles IMO.
Saying a guy can’t win titles is silly. Nobody can win titles without help. Some guys (Shaq/Lebron) can win titles with less help than others, but nobody does it without a real team around him.
why do you think Westbrook will be available?
I think he is probably untouchable
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 20, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It depends.
The Thunder loved Bayless predraft. If they end up getting Rubio they would have to move Westbrook over to the 2 guard spot anyway. A Bayless + Outlaw deal might be tempting, especially if the Thunder give up Jeff Green in order to take Rubio in the first place.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, they would only get rid of Green if they got Griffin
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
dont forget the dead people
Yeah thats a sixth sense reference in 2009
deal with it
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
you talk as if we are an underperforming lottery team
i don’t get the constant negativity…we tied for 2nd best record in the conference with “gingerbread men.” We are well ahead of our learning curve yet all you do is bash the team with the exception of Roy. If you can’t enjoy the team as it is now, how many more wins till you are happy? Its as if you see the greatness in Roy, but no potential in the other 14 players. Yet the media constantly reminds us that we have one of the deepest benches in the league.
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
by Philthyanimal on May 20, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
brilliant
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
by prezofdeath on May 20, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Batum is a bust
He started and couldn’t get more than 20 minutes a game, while Nash is a two time MVP. How many MVP’s does Batum have? Yeah, that’s right 0, zero, nadda, none. It’s a no brainer trade for a marginal bench player for an All Star point guard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
GET THE DEAL DONE NOW KP
BATUM IS A BUST. TRADE HIM FOR A BUST OF JULIUS CAESAR, OR A CAESAR SALAD, OR AN ORANGE JULIUS.
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever
People talked for hours yesterday about trading Oden for Parker. Nash is worth Batum and I got called a half-wit.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
May I ask what you're counting this time?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
reverse jersey theory
13<88, which is good.
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
by prezofdeath on May 20, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
two half-wit comments = still humorless
by spencerbutte on May 20, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
ok it ain't witty, but at least Nash knows how to Twitty.
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
by prezofdeath on May 20, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I got more wit in my toenails than you got in your whole body
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I like rotten cheese
The smellier the better.
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Who will Ann's Favorite Blazer be
Once Troutlaw is gone
It seems that everyone's real problem is they just don't drink enough coffee. They lose their edge, lose track of their priorities, and end up sleeping a third of their life away.
Who's the next sacrificial lamb, scapegoat, whipping boy? Greg seem's to be on his way
to being a good candidate.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Translation? Twenty five backward is fifty two?
Travis is not better than Greg?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I can think of several replies to that but I'm trying to
use more decorum lately . ;p
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
We don't make scapegoats
Scapegoats “make” themselves by doing things like stepping out of bounds a lot (Jack) and going AWOL in the playoffs (Outlaw)
Oh Yeah
Because people waited until the Playoffs to start hating on Outlaw.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
wrong arby
i want serious ballers around roy not a bunch of gingerbread nice soft guys.just look at the cavs and rockets for example.guys who you can depend on come playoff time.is that too much to ask for.see the problem with people on this site is,they like mediocrity and potential over facts.bayless will come through in time bit oden*webster give me a damn break dude.i’m just telling facts no fantasies.oden i can seriously see getting better in time,but this martell love affair is just rediculous.
He was playing against Rondo
I like Rondo but one of the few big PG’S not the quick ones that seem to bother us. How doe’s he do against Aaron Brooks or CP3?
Who, Hinrich?
He did great. Rondo threw him into the scorer’s table out of frustration. Did you watch that series?
"We first have to stop Kirk Hinrich," Celtics center Kendrick Perkins said. "He just can’t keep coming in and hurting us and giving them a spark. We shut Kirk Hinrich down and we can close out the series."-Yahoo
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Rondo is listed as 6’1, 171 pounds. He is long, strong, and very quick, but not really that big.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Everywhere.
NBA.com, ESPN, Basketball Reference.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to be the only person in the world that doesn't think Rondo
is quick. Rondo is one of the top 3 or 4 quickest guys in the league, without a doubt.
Went on the celtic site & you are right 6'1" 171
but 3or 4 quickest I question, although that means little as there are alot of quick guys with marginal talent Rondo has Game & like I said I like Rondo
you may as well copy and paste your posts these days..
blah blah fan boy blah blah..a.a.al fanboy…love affair.. blah blah baller .. . oden sucks. . blah blah misspelled word blah. bad punctuation blah blah. fanboy.
Diet. Dr. Pepper.
by TheTinfoil on May 20, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
LOL! Rec'd.
Fatty, your comments are starting to run together. It seems like you say the same exact thing every time. Your comments make this site a lot more entertaining, and I look forward to them. But seriously, we all know that you think we need some serious ballers, not gingerbread men, and that the oden fanboys around here havent realized he not the second coming.
by dario argento on May 20, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
We should have a Blazers edge party and play a drinking game.
Every time Fatty posts the words “ballers”, “fanboys”, “soft”, or “gingerbread men” we drink. There would be a lot of drinking.
by dario argento on May 20, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Police investigation the following morning
Proby: Sarge I’ve never seen anything like this. 20 people, all dead of apparent poisoning.
Sarge: Suicide cult?
Proby: I don’t think so, it looks like it was a party, but I don’t understand how so many people could drink themselves to death.
Sarge: You’re new son, but believe me, I’ve seen this before. The Fatty drinking game… when will these kids learn.
we'll all die
of alcohol poisoning.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 20, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
question
who on the cavs other than the king is a “serious baller” and a tough guy?
ilgauskas.. haha NO
varejao.. NO
Mo williams.. good at 3’s
pavlovich.. no
ilgauskas.. haha NO
varejao.. NO
Mo williams.. good at 3’s
pavlovich.. nothey dont have any TOUGH players.. just a bunch of guys who pass to LBJ
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 20, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Varejao is a baller dude
watch him play— fantastic defender. Delonte West and Big Ben are ballers also.
Big Ben used to be a serious baller...
today….it’s a bit less than that. He can still muster a huge game on occasion, but it’s not with any real regularity.
by antediluvian on May 20, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
im just confused on what his definition of a baller is...
they have some good players but no TOUGH players
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 20, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Conley's Numbers were amazing in the last two months of the season
March: .450 FG%, .412 3P%, 3.5 RBDS, 5.1 AST, 13.9 PTS
April: .500 FG%, .467 3P%, 3.7 RBDS, 5.8 AST, 15.6 PTS
And he’s only 21.
Blazers should get him, and he would really help Oden too
"Grayg"
-Nate
I like that Conley's game is well-rounded.
He’s serviceable on defense, and he’s got the athleticism to get even better at that.
Plus he’s not just a 3 point shooter. He can score some off the dribble. He’s got a legit mid-range game, not just a streaky one. His offensive game has all of the tools you want from your PG. I wouldn’t mind see him in Portland at all.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
If Bayless actually played,
He’d have similar numbers as well. Obviously this is just based on speculation and observation since he’s stuck on the bench.
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im a huge Bayless fan
but just compare bayless’s shooting to conley’s…its not even close
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on May 20, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Bayless can get better...
He was very tentative in spot minutes, but given more of a free reign to score, he can be deadly as well. We all know he’s a gym rat with an intense desire to succeed… There is no reason to believe he’s not shooting a thousand jumpers right now as we speak.
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont like the form on his jumper, but yes
that could be improved
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on May 20, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Conley improved his three point shooting by 7% recently
Last fall when the first trade rumors floated I was in favor of it, but a lot of people knocked on his shooting ability. And he has amazing handles. Having both battle it out for “Roy co-guard of the future” would be amazing.
Comley was a 30% 3pt shooter @ OhSU
Bayless was a 40% playing the most difficult college schedule, both overall and defensively.
True his jumper has been broken in the NBA, but we know his work ethic is through the roof and do you honestly think that he will sit idly by not improving his jumpshot this summer. And do you think it not logical that with increased PT, and learning when and where to shoot the ball will lead to an increase in his percentages?
His problem is in his head, not in his mechanics, he just needs the confidence to know that he can make that shot. As a rook on a 54 win team there is not a lot of room for error, especially as a rook playing for Nate.
Nate is stubborn in his substitutions and Sergio was better than Bayless as a PG and Nate stuck with him. Sergio did not perform and that is probably the reason that he is gone after this year. What we need to to is pick 2 PGs and split those mins between the 2 good or bad and then figure out who stays and who goes after the season. That is KP and Nates MO and I tend to agree. You cannont shake up the roster mid season for something as important as a PG and you cannot have your PGs looking over their shoulder, you have to give them enough rope to either succeed or to hang themselves with.
Run a PG platoon with Blake/established PG and Bayless splitting the 48 mins, grooming Bayless for his eventual take over. Draft Collison or Holliday as a benchwarmer/injury sub or use Rudy and Roy if the injury is short lived.
Just to think that Conley can improve by 10% over college and Bayless will not improve at all is kinda absurd IMO.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on May 20, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a backcourt of Bayless and Conley would be deadly
and would give us a legitimate angle to play against teams who have played the 2 PG system effectively against us… However, I would not trade Bayles for Conley. True, Bayless is a shoot first type player, but Conley is not such a better passer that you can’t put them in the same league… I’d rather develop Bayless than trade him for Conley. But, I’d trade Blake and Outlaw and some picks/$$ for Conley… OR (preferably) Blake, Webster, picks, $$, and Bayless for the #2.
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I understand
You want to keep an unproven rookie over a proven second year player who looks to only get better?
I understand that Bayless has potential, but Conley also does and he has actually tapped into his.
Conley has tapped into his potential because
he has had 3200 more minutes than Bayless and with all of that he has “led” his team to a 24 wins this season, being benched in the first half of the season.
Does not sound like someone I would want on my team.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
To Zaig --
It seems that people on here think that Conley is established already, so now you’re saying that he too is a project? Hmmmmm… So why do we want to trade Bayless (a project) for Conley (a project)? Is Conley a better project? What if he doesn’t pan out? If Conley’s a project, don’t trade for him at all, imo.
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
or maybe I misread your post ;-)
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I said potential, not project.
Bayless sucks, but has plenty of untapped potential.
Conley is already a decent PG, and still has plenty of untapped potential.
I’ll take the guy who is solid and can get better over the guy who sucks and can get better.
Hope that helps :-)
Bayless has a much higher ceiling
than Conley, who do you see Conley developing into?
Seems TJ Ford is his ceiling but Bayless I can see as a Billups or Parker
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
I don't know.
Bayless is a freak. His ceiling is some crazy mix of Billups and Monta Ellis. If he develops to his complete potential he will have some crazy skill set we haven’t really seen before. Like Rondo only bigger and with a jump shot. I don’t even know.
I could see Conley becoming a poor man’s Tony Parker. They’re games seem pretty similar only apparently Conley has a better shot.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
No he isn't.
Bayless = 6’3, 200 pounds
Rondo= 6’1, 171 pounds
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I still take Conley over Hinrich
Long term & maybe even short I just don’t see Hinrich as the answer.Call it a hunch whatever. I guess we’ll see in a couple years.
I think a backcourt of Bayless and Conley would be SHORT
….make that REALLY short.
by antediluvian on May 20, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
we do not need a pure PG
in fact they tend not to win championships see Kidd, Stockton, Nash and a host of other guys who can get 10+apg.
Players like Parker, and Billups are the ones winning titles while the “pure” Pgs usually get bumped in the 1st of 2nd rd.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on May 20, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
come on now, Parker won titles because he was on Tim Duncan's team, not because he wasn't a pure PG
I agree that we don’t necessarily need a pure PG. I do much prefer Conley’s game to Bayless’ though.
What of Billups?
I much prefer Nash’s game to Billups but Billups is effective and wins.
How much have you even seen Conleys game? Before the trade deadline, people were offering Travis for Conley straight up and most people balked at that and now he is the apple of everyones eye. Yes he has improved but I find it asinine that people are comparing a 2nd year players performance to a rook who has only played 20+ mins only 10 times and has produced in those times.
Conley as a rook played 20+ mins in 41/53 games and 10+ mins in all but the 3 remaining games and he averaged similar per36 stats
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=yMs8J
All of this with Bayless not having any burn on the court, which is vital for the performance of a young PG.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on May 20, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Billups has learned to be a pure point-- he's become a pure point with excellent scoring ability (as opposed to a scoring point)
People balked at Outlaw for Conley but people on this site balk at most every deal involving a Blazer. I don’t think Conley is the messiah or anything, but he’s a young, solid, true point who might be available for a bargain price.
Did you watch Kirk on defense in the playoffs
There aren’t more than 10 players in the NBA who could have guarded Rondo, Pierce and Allen at various times in the series as effectively as Kirk did. Hinrich is an outstanding defensive guard, and essentially Blake version 1.1 on offense. I’m fully aboard both the Hinrich and Conley bandwagons.
by jksnake99 on May 20, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
most of the time
Kirk was on Allen and got ran through the ringer. Allen averaged 23ppg on 48% shooting.
Rondo was guarded by Gordon and Rose most of the time and Pierce was guarded by Salmons most of the time. Just because he can do it does not mean he can do it well.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
I'm more on the Hinrich bandwagon than the Conley one...
Can Conley guard Pierce, Allen and Rondo? Does he have a much better offensive game than Hinrich?
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Hinrich is definetely the better two way player right now
Conley, though, is 7 years younger, more athletic, a buddy of Oden’s and showed substantial improvement in his game once Lowry was moved last year. I can’t tell you much about his D though— haven’t watched enough Grizz games.
I think its a matter of how much their respective teams would want for them.
his d seems to be his weakest spot, which is why i'm still more on the hinrich bandwagon, but
if Conley can be had for cheap (i.e. bayless or outlaw) then i’m all for it.
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
Bayless sucks! Trade him; or at least stop the annoying bayless homerism. his best case is gilbert arenas which is something the blazers don't want and don't need. He was a KP mistake.
I don't think Bayless is cheap
I think there is a very high probability of living to regret such a trade. Find out what you have before you trade him away. Guy’s with that many physical skills and work ethic don’t grow on trees.
Don’t let bad stats in garbage minutes make you loose sight of what he is likely to become.
by upper left corner on May 21, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'll rec that
Bayless dominated amongst his peers in summer league. Once he moved up to playing true pro’s, he had limited opportunity to become comfortable. Seemed like every time he was on the court he was trying to impress while also carrying the concern that a foolish rookie TO would send his butt back to the pine.
no he wasn't
you do not put a 6’3 190lb PG on a 6’7 235lb SF like Pierce when you have the 6’6 207 lb Salmons who has been noted for his D on the team. When Salmons was out, OK but he averaged 44mpg
Rose=Rondo
Hinrich=Allen
Salmons=Pierce
Thomas=Davis
Noah=Perkins
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
You're forgetting Salmon's minutes at PF
And you left out Ben Gordon, who played a ton of minutes on Allen. Vinny loves him some 4 guard lineup.
You can’t judge whether someone plays good defense by assuming they guarded a specific guy on the other team and checking that other guys offensive stats. Guys hit great shots over tough defense and miss wide open shots regularly. On top of that, the Bulls have one of the lousiest switching defensive schemes around, meaning Kirk spent more possessions than I care to remember on Big Baby.
If you watched the games, Kirk played exceptional defense in the playoffs.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
Salmons, Rose, Gordon all averaged 43 minutes
Hinrich was guarding Rondo and Allen in pretty limited duty. You’re forgetting that Salmons was essentially the PF during crunch time after Game 1.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 20, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
There were a couple games...
where I have never seen someone guard Ray Allen better.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Kirk almost never guarded Allen
If he did it was because of switching on screen. He either guarded Rondo when he was the PG, or guarded Pierce when they went with a 3 guard lineup. Salmons did guard Pierce most of the time, but in the 4th quarter the lineup was almost always Rose/Gordon/Hinrich/Salmons/and either Noah or Miller.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 20, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Not true.
I watched all those games. I specifically remember Hinrich guarding Allen for stretches.
The Bulls put Kirk Hinrich on Allen for much of the second half and Hinrich helped cool him down … a smidgen.-Chicago Tribune
I also like this quote.
“We first have to stop Kirk Hinrich,” Celtics center Kendrick Perkins said. “He just can’t keep coming in and hurting us and giving them a spark. We shut Kirk Hinrich down and we can close out the series.”-Yahoo
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I did...
… I just am in the camp that believes we don’t need to give up the farm for a marginal upgrade that has a relatively short shelf life compared to the rest of the team.
I agree we need a starting PG and Rex isn’t my choice. He’s not ever going to be the playmaker we need (my opinion). Neither is Kirk or Bibby or even Nash. They’re just too old. Conley has at least shown something, and is in our age window. Same with the pipe dream that is Rubio.
I'm in the "if" camp...
I’ll agree I don’t see Bayless being our answer at point. But, if… he develops into a decent combo guard that can make his own shots and pass wisely. It would be great to see him coming in with the second unit to let Broy take a rest.
Our first unit needs an efficient scorer that can cause the defense to collapse, hit jumpers, and play better D that what we’ve seen (not too much to ask)
In the second unit with Rudy presumably being there, we don’t necessarily need a point with great three shooting, just drive and defense.
he is middle of the road
in the pure pg rating and pure PGs never win championships. Besides Magic who had Kareem, in fact the top 10 assist leaders this year went home early and the top ten APG leaders in the nba have a combined 10 rings, 5 of which are from Magic, 2 from Norm Nixon of the Lakers and Kareem, 2 from Isiah and one from Oscar Robertson.
Not to mention that assists are the most useless stat in basketball read:
http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-valuable-is-a-helping-hand-in-hoops-342/
and
http://ballhype.com/story/ballad_for_the_combo_guard/
Showing that having a PG who can score and get fouls (Bayless) is far more valuable than an ethereal passer.
Look at the PGs in this years final 4 and they are Alston, Fisher, Mo Williams, and Billups who is the only pg averaging more than 5 apg. Billups is also averaging 21/g so he is simply doing more for his team as well as the others are all around 13-15ppg.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
so what
Bayless will be in the finals because of Roy, LMA and Oden.
Your initial argument was that Conley was a pure PG and because of that he was a “pure” pg and I have gone on to show that a “pure” PG is not a necessity and that Bayless has more than enough tools to allow this team to succeed.
Williams and Billups are the 2 players most like Bayless on that list and they show that a scoring PG is the way to go. Williams was the key piece that led to the Cavs getting the best overall record and HC throughout the playoffs, on top of being an allstar so I would not discount him so much.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on May 20, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you have made the point very effectively that we shouldn't be worried about Bayless not being a pure point
I still think Conley is a much better player than Bayless, though I won’t use his “purity” as part of my argument anymore.
but the stats do not bear that out
Everybody knows that, especially at the PG position, you need consistent minutes to develop. You cannot be afraid to throw an errant pass or take a bad shot when you are handling the ball 70-80% of the time. You cannot be afraid and be looking over your shoulder. Look at what Nate has turned Sergio into: a shell of his free playing days due to the lack of trust and quick hook, the same with Channing and his jumpshot. You cannot come in for 3 mins and expect to have any type of rhythm on your shot.
Would you agree?
Adding to the fact that Bayless has only played more than 20m in 10 games and when he did he averaged
26.3min
46.8%fg
18%3pt
11pts
3.5ast
1.4to
2.1reb
If you look at that link I posted above at Conley/Bayless rookie year #s
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=yMs8J
on a per 36 min basis they are about equal. All of this is coming with Conley getting 41/53 games with over 20m, compared to Bayless’ 10, which is a lot of time to develop 1381 mins to Bayless’ 655.
What I am saying is that from what Bayless has shown in the times where he can just go out there and play, he was good as Conley in a far fewer sample of minutes. The fact that he could progress as far as Conley did in his rookie season with half the minutes is an amazing feat and shows insight into what type of player he can become with consistent minutes.
Either keep Blake or sign Miller to a short deal, and groom Bayless into the elite PG he can become.
I just see the ceiling as far higher for Bayless than Conley and I am willing to wait a year to get it.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
Conley Jr is indescribably better right now than Bayless
and he has more potential. Conley is a smart player a good passer with ridiculous handles, and a 3 point shot, all things that at best you hope Bayless can be even mildly decent at. The part Bayless people might not seem to get with Conley is that the argument that Bayless can get to the hole the one that puts him above Sergio and Blake in that regard doesn’t work versus MC Jr. He also is very good at doing that. Where does Bayless have an advantage versus Conley Jr right now? He doesn’t.
He is.
But he made a huge jump between his first and second year. I think Bayless is primed to make a similar leap. I would be curious to see how they compare after all-star break next season.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this. As an example, Conley in his first 604 minutes in the league shot .263 from 3. Bayless in his first 655 minutes shot .259. Couple that with the fact that Bayless shot 10% better than Conley in College and I am not sure you can argue that Bayless is less of a shooter than Conley. Bayless just hasn’t had the minutes to adjust to the pro game.
Where is Bayless getting these minutes?
To prove himself as a legit NBA starter? Judging from Nate McMillan’s rotations for the past few seasons, and the giant expectations he will have next year, I don’t see how Bayless earns a regular rotation spot, barring some kind of insane breakout campaign. Portland should either make him the starter, or use him as trade bait. Letting him languish in the middle doesn’t help his career one bit.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 20, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Quick question:
How many Grizzlies games have you seen? 2 vs the Blazers?
Watching people on youtube is the worst way to discern their skills and Bayles has a far higher ceiling that Conley.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
I'm actually somewhat of an NBA nut
I’ve seen the Griz play at least 10 times this year. They’re a fun team to watch, even when they’re getting beat. Conley Jr is a really smart basketball player that could fit our style perfectly. The thing we didn’t know last year was that he’d be able to hit the 3 ball like he has. With that added to his game he’s a really hard cover ESPECIALLY on this team, and especially once Oden gets himself comfortable with the NBA game. Conley Jr can take that three, or if you come out to hard on him he’s by you like a flash (he’s ridiculous quick), then once he gets inside he’s a really good finisher or if the case calls he’s adept at finding the cutting big to finish up top.
This is not Bayless where he’s taking it strong himself and that’s that. With Conley Jr you’re going to get the smart decision almost all of the time which will lead to the better shot.
I'm not a great talent scout....
but I watched maybe 6-8 Grizzlies games this year. Probably 5 last year. I’ve seen Conley pay a couple times in college. I think I’ve watched every single second Bayless has played in the NBA, most of Summer league and half of one game in college game.
I’m not an expert, but there is no possible way Conley has a higher ceiling than Bayless. It’s really not even close. I would still take Conley in a deal of some sort and be super happy about it, but in 5 years I’m guessing Bayless is the better player.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Filtering to games where he played more than 20 minutes
is pointless. Most of the time he played less than 20 minutes it was because he was awful during the time he was in. When he played well early, he got more time, so the only times he would play 20 minutes were when he was playing well. Sergio’s stats look equally impressive when he played more than 20 minutes, because back up PGs only play that much when they’re on fire.
Besides, this is asking us to base an entire evaluation of a player on something like 8 games and ignore the other 60 games that he played, which would get laughed off by any statistician.
That's not true.
Most of the time he played less than twenty minutes was because the game was already over and garbage time had begun.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
or 5 mins
from halfway through the Q2 to half and
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
Most of was some hyperbole
but Bayless had chances in plenty of games, than just the ones he played over 20 minutes, and he didn’t earn the time. Guess how many more games Sergio played 20 minutes in than Bayless, despite having the backup job almost all year?
5. And that’s with starting those games sans Blake. Backup PGs only get those minutes when they force their way into them. To say those were the only times he " had a chance" is just false.
A better comparison would be to look at his splits where he got more than 3 minutes in the first half, which would mean he’s in the rotation as the primary back up without getting yanked immediately. You’d include games not only where he played himself into more minutes, but also games where he was trusted to come in and produce, and didn’t.
Aww but I though
Once he gets his chance he will take it because he is a freak t-rex with good work ethic.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
For example
Our game at Memphis on March 16 (when Bayless was given the back up role). Bayless plays 6 minutes in the first half, misses 2 shots, turns it over twice and has 1 foul. We’re -5 during those 6 minutes, and then he only plays 4 minutes in the second half.
Was Bayless really not given a chance in that game?
Or a the 9 game stretch when Blake got back and he battled Sergio for the backup spot
9 games, 93 minutes, 4/20 shooting, 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 12 turnovers.
He got more mintues than Sergio and still had far worse production. Not sure what the argument is here.
Horrible argument
Bayless got minutes when Blake was hurt. He showed rapid if inconsistent improvement. Just what you would expect from a talented young PG.
You and others who want to draw definitive conclusions from garbage minutes are flying in the face of logic and history. It is well understood that young PGs like Conley, Brooks, and even Rondo often show substantial improvement from year one to year two.
Bayless was in a very difficult position. He came into a team that had two PGs ahead of him. Sergio made it clear that he was not willing to sit. The team was trying to integrate three other rookies into the line-up. The coach is notoriously intolerant of rookie PG mistakes. Even so, Bayless production was decent when he got decent minutes. He was trying too hard and thinking too much, but given his history, there is every reason to believe that he will be a good shooter.
You seem utterly blinded by your own biases. Guys with Bayless’ physical abilities and work ethic don’t grow on trees. Throw him away, and you are likely to spend the next decade regretting it.
by upper left corner on May 21, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you are wrong that its desireable for your PG to be able to score, by the way
I just think its disingenuous to suggest Alston, Fisher and Williams are in the final 4 because they are not pure PGs.
We had this discussion before.
The PGs who were important in getting their teams titles averaged over 6 assists almost exclusively.
It’s like arguing a team doesn’t need a pure center because tons of teams have won titles without them.
assists are the most overrated
basketball stat around
http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-valuable-is-a-helping-hand-in-hoops-342/
that is what I am arguing
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
Umm
On the other hand, the four conference finalists all ranked among the top nine teams in differential between the percentage of their baskets that were assisted and the assist percentage on their opponents’ baskets.
Doesn’t that mean that teams with lots of assists win?
You’re ignoring a pretty blatant fact here. It takes 2, usually 3 GREAT players to win a title. The guys who rake up 10 assists usually do not get those 2 allies they need. When they do, (Magic, Kareem, Worthy) the titles come easy.
-Stockton had Malone and only Malone really. And they’d have still won plenty of titles if they weren’t in the MJ era.
-Paul has David West… yippy!
-Deron has no one who can stay healthy and is consistent
-Nash had a bunch of guys and a coach who don’t play D’ at all. Nash also had a good shot at a title until he was taken out of a game in a clutch situation.
I already broke down PGs who led/co-led their teams to titles. They were usually pure point guards, but to further the point, I will let you in on a secret.
Some teams win titles without pure/good PGs.
Some teams win titles without good SGs
Some teams win titles without good SFs
Some teams win titles without good PFs
Some teams win titles without good Centers
You also argue a cutoff of 10 assists, which is silly since guys like Thomas averaged 8.5 assists, which is great, and won titles just fine.
as an individual there maybe a point to this...
pure pg’s are one dimensional… the good ones end up being the singular point for offensive creation, although they themselves do not score. But, your leading line of “assists are the most overrated” is sort of misleading.
When have the blazers lost this year? When our rebounding was down and when the assists were down.
Look at last night with the cavs…. dominated the first half, then it became the one man show… true, it was an impressive show, but the ultimate result an L.
An ability to fit within the offense, create when opportunities are present either through a pass or drive or shot.
I think one of the most important points when deciding whether we need a traditional pure guard or not is to see what matches best with Broy, LMA, Oden, and Webster (?)
Roy is already the dream combo guard, he’s proven he can be the one to set-up others, drive, pull a jumper, and his 3 % is becoming a threat.
What we need to do is make Roy’s job easier, keep the defense on their heals, and someone who can play d.
The dream is that Bayless will develop a mid-range, 3, and becoming a better distributor. Two-combo guards working in tandem. Otherwise it seems we need a distributor with a respectable drive and shot.
Conley seems like a fit, but not because he is or is not a true point, but because of the makeup of the team. At the same time, I don’t think he is worth trading Bayless for. Two seasons is not a lot of time to give a player to develop.
It also seems to me, that a lot of the trades people are putting up will kill our three ball. Blake + Outlaw. Whether you like Travis or not, he killed it from the corner this year. Yes, he disappeared in his first playoff appearance in games where there was very little ball movement and a great collapsing defense scheme.
where are the three’s coming from? Rudy, Webster (?) new point guard.
by Oggbog on May 21, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that's the rub
Point is not the worst of Memphis’s problems. They need a big defensive banger like Thabeet. Gasol’s game is more like LMA’s. I think Rubio falls to #3 and I’m not even sure OKC wants him. I see Conley staying put.
- Travis, Blake, 2009 second round pick, 2010 second round pick, $2 million cash, Rebecca Haarlow for Mike Conley and
Marko JaricAdriana Lima.
- Sergio, #24, #38, $1.5 million cash to the Knicks for their #8
If we get Conley and Dejuan Blair
for Sergio, Blake, and Oulaw……….well
That would be simply amazing
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on May 20, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Adriana Lima: Blazers Sideline Reporter AND Secret Weapon.
Just have her stand near the basket when the opposing team shoots free throws. Immediate 10% drop in opponent FT% minimum.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
that'd be a huge pritch slap
if we could pull that off…adriana limas trade value may have dropped since she lost/lied her virginity, but either way she is still a top 5 talent on many levels…with an established talent like lima and the potential in conley, we’d be getting a steal only giving up travis, blake, and haarlow.
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
by Philthyanimal on May 20, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Sergio learn how to shoot?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 20, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Now that
Sounds amazing. Call Pritchard right now.
Please do not feed the B-Rex
by BRoyTheNatural on May 20, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
losing two outside threats and picking up one
our second unit would have so few opportunities to score with Rudy being the only outside threat
yes he will
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 20, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
if that happens...
it seems Conley may literally come over here over your dead body…
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
oh well
i know where i am going
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 20, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
hopefully someplace warm?
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 20, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
someplace that gets comcast sports net
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 20, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Just a thought
Now that the Wizards pretty much got pooped on in the draft why don’t we go after the 5th pick and take Jennings?
It seems that everyone's real problem is they just don't drink enough coffee. They lose their edge, lose track of their priorities, and end up sleeping a third of their life away.
The Wizards, according to league insiders, are hesitant to take on yet another project player and would rather package their pick in a trade for a veteran who could contribute immediately. -Washington Times
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the idea of getting Conley
and at face value I thought “yeah we should be able to make that happen” until I did some blog visiting to 3shadesofblue.com and loudcity. At 3shades I realized that there is a lot of talk about how Mayo is really a 1 and that is where they would like him to be, so maybe Rubio is not the best fit for them if they love Mayo so much at the 1. Also they would really like a nice PF, and who can blame them.
When I was over at loudcity the talk was about ways to get Rubio, a smart move for them IMO, and there was talk about swapping Green to move up to the 2. I could see that as a hard offer for the grizz to refuse even though Green is more of a SF and serviceable PF, but he definitely has talent and has shown that he will be a really good player for a long time. If that were to happen then the Grizz would walk off with a really nice player and could grab either Thabeet, whom some say they like, or Harden who could be a nice off guard, and have a nice piece in Green. That might still make Conley available, but they might want to hold onto him for a bit to make sure Rubio is ready.
It is all so confusing and awesome at the same time that I can hardly stand it.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Yah, but you're forgetting one thing.
We have KP.
KEVIN PRITCHARD TRUMPS ALL!!!!!
Yes! Yes! In the face!
To be fair
if you looked through here, you’d see a lot of talk about how Roy really should be playing point, also, so I don’t buy that because some fans think Mayo should be their PG that the management thinks the same way.
The key to whether those deals happen is how much the OKC/Memphis like Rubio compared to Thabeet. I don’t know how great an SG Westbrook would project to be given his complete inability to hit a shot outside of 5 feet, and they could really use some shooters to not allow teams to just double onto Durant all the time, along with their complete lack of size at the 5 seems to make Thabeet or Harden right in their wheelhouse without shaking up their core.
For Memphis, if they don’t see a huge gap between Thabeet and Rubio, they’d be fools to not take Green and #3 for #2. Basically, the only way that deal happens is that if OKC really likes Rubio and Memphis is lukewarm on him.
Also, if Memphis projects Mayo to be a 1, isn’t Conley still expendable? He’s not big enough to play SG, so they still have one extra solid PG in that scenario anyways.
by Royster on May 20, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you looked through here, you’d see a lot of talk about how Roy really should be playing point, also, so I don’t buy that because some fans think Mayo should be their PG that the management thinks the same way.
It is their GM that talks about Mayo being a pg, and not just the fans so it has more credence than BE chatter.
I don’t know how great an SG Westbrook would project to be given his complete inability to hit a shot outside of 5 feet
He is already being shoehorned into pg, and he is a bit better shooter than you are giving him credit for. He is a classic combo guard, and I would say he even projects a little better as sg than a pg.
OKC is built to run, and Habeet is not, also, if you look at upside there is no comparison between Thabeet and Rubio. Harden would be a nice piece, but I think Westbrook can slide over and play the 2.
I have already outlined why I think that Memphis might be lukewarm on Rubio. You should check out some of the nice pieces at 3Shades on their pg situation.
I also adressed that Conley maybe available if Memphis lands Rubio, but someone has to be the backup and given that they might not turn Rubio loose immediately means that Conley might be more of a deadline acquisition than someone who can come in for a training camp, which is a move that KP has said he does not like to do.
Again, the possibilities are endless.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Westbrook shot 34% from outside of 15 feet
not on threes, but from outside of 15 feet. I think I’m giving Westbrook about the shooting credit he deserves. He’s obviously not a great distributor, but it’s clear that he does better with the ball in his hands, and with Durant already in the fold that would make three guys who excel with the ball in their hands, and only one decent shooter (Durant) to play off Rubio, so unless Presti likes him a whole lot more than Thabeet/Harden and doesn’t like Westbrook at the 1 at all, it’s tough to see them giving up Green to make that move. Without Green, they have literally no bigs who aren’t scrubs. This could obviously be addressed with their cap space, but that wouldn’t even be a wafer-thin front line, it would be non-existent.
Besides, a cursory look over at 3SoB seems to think that there’s no way they’d take Thabeet (also weird because they already have another true center in Gasol) over Rubio, and I’d imagine everyone sees a huge drop between Rubio and Harden/DeRozan and the rest of the guard prospects, so would Green be enough to convince them to downgrade from Rubio’s talent to one of those guys even though Mayo’s proven to be an effective SG?
Those are good points
but it does not address that even the GM and Mayo both want him playing pg. Effective or not, it sounds to me like they think having him play off the ball is not his most effective position.
As for OKC, they are a project. If they had the #1 and could get Griffin then they probably are at or slightly above the 07-08 Blazers, good but not good enough. So I think there situation becomes, do we keep a player who is good, Green, but is not really a PF and duplicates our franchise player at SF, and try and move him for a game changing pg and then try and add a big man down the line, or do we stick with Green, a makeshift pg in Westbrook, and someone like Harden or Thabeet and try and go from there? To me it seems like sticking with the latter approach is a recipe for mediocrity where the former is more of a swing for the fences approach, but lets players have well defined roles and gives a clear mission as far as players needed for this team team to be a legitimate contender in the next 5 years.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Trade Deadline
moves in this draft by K&T may have more to do with what will happen at the 09-10 deadline than not.
i can see a move or non-move that does not make a lot of sense in june or october, but is revealed in feb-duh-ary.
If somehow the Grizz take freaking Thabeet
I am going to send a swineflu letter to the owner. If the damn Thunder get Rubio I am gonna be pissed. ARRRG
thabeet = dikembe with less offense
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 20, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
Grizz Thinking
I suspect Phoenix will take a pretty hard run at a Stoudamire for the #2 pick trade (with bits and pieces to make it work). It is clear that Memphis needs a PF, and Phoenix doesn’t want Stoudamire. Phoenix will be in re-build, so would likely see Rubio as a good starting point. And remember, the Grizz are under the cap, so have some flexibility there. Will be interesting to watch unfold…..
Not gonna happen
Amare doesn’t have trade value until it is determined that his eye will be ok. Shack is the one they want to dump…also Jason Richardson. I think the Suns would rather build around Amare than Shack (if he is healthy).
Trade opportunity
I think Washington’s #5 pick is the most available from the PTB perspective. From all I’ve read, the Wiz want to dump salary (or at least not take on a lottery pick’s salary). The #5 pick is not going to be a “too good to pass up” player. So, the Wiz may be thinking of trading the pick and offloading a bloated contract, and picking up a lower draft pick and lower priced players. I don’t know if the numbers work, but a Outlaw plus #24 for Etan Thomas and #5 might work (again, with the PTB under the cap, this could be a doable trade).
I am not sure if KP could find something at 5, but I suspect he will look pretty closely at Jrue Holiday (seems to be a Pritchard-type player – long and lanky, good work ethic, high upside).
we could get Etan Thomas
Take him off their hands (bc of his contract) for the right to their pick and he could fill the Banger PF/C role. We could also give them their pick of either or both of Webster/Sergio. We can absorb Etan’s contract with our caproom though, so no actual need to trade players.
Then we could take whomever we want, or try and move up even higher by Packaging the pick w/Outlaw.
The only problem is that Thomas + #5 would pretty much be our big move.
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lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 20, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone compiled a lost of teams with picks for sale?
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
Rough estimate of possible picks for sale...
This is based purely on speculation but…
Picks for Sale
Suns #14- Hard to imagine them parting with another pick, but they need money to re-sign Nash, Amare, and pay Shaq. Definitely not out of the question…
Players available here: Earl Clark, Jonny Flynn, Eric Maynor, DeJuan Blair, Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague
Jazz #20- No historical precedent here, but with Millsap and Boozer both on their way out, Utah has to decide who to pay without going into the luxury tax. Selling the pick would save them about $1.5 million and add close to $3 million in revenue.
Players available here: Jeff Teague, Austin Daye, Tyler Hansborough (bleh), Terrence Williams, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Nick Calathes
Hornets #21- It will be interesting to see if New Orleans tries to dump Tyson Chandler again this off-season to save money. If not, it’s likely they’ll sacrifice a pick to gain the $3 million in cash… Hard to find much trade value not named Chandler on this roster beyond CP3 and D-West…
Players available here: Jeff Teague, Austin Daye, BJ Mullens, Austin Daye, Terrence Williams, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Nick Calathes
Trail Blazers #32, #38, #55, #56 - 4 second round picks for a team that needs to get older, not younger. How many players can you stash in Europe to go with Joel Freeland and Petteri Koponen? Pritchard will most likely be wheeling and dealing these picks and it’s unlikely to see them swapped for cash only, but you never know. A more likely scenario is KP trades his 4 picks in 2009 for 8 picks in 2010, culminating with the unprecedented “Trail Blazers Only Draft of 2016”.
Players available here: Jermaine Tayler, Sergio Llull, Danny Green, Milan Macvan, Jodie Meeks, Taj Gibson, Dionte Christmas, Emir Preldzic
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on May 20, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Terrence Williams
!!!!
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Where would he play?
I agree he’s a threat on the defensive end, but where would he play?
He’s not spreading the floor like Rudy or Martell… He’s not shooting 2-dribble, pull-up fade aways like Outlaw… And we already have an elite defender-in-the-making in Nic Batum…
Would Williams take Roy’s spot? Otherwise, he’s just another good wing player to add to our roster of good wing players… We’d have a decent opportunity to fulfill D’Antoni’s dream of having 7 guys who were 6’6" or better that can run, play defense, and shoot a little…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on May 20, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Love the Trailblazers only draft of 2016
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on May 20, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just counting until someone asked me about it
I got up to 8 and then someone asked in a FanShot.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
Fernandez
I would reluctantly include him in a trade for Conley. If we get back their second 1st round pick, get to keep our 1st round pick & we can swing a deal for Terrence Williams(Superior defender & rebounder. Only way though.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
That's way too much.
You could probably get Rubio if you were willing to part with Rudy.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It wouldn't be straight up
It’d be Rudy, Outlaw, one of our PGs, and probably even a pick for Rubio/Trash they don’t want.
Rudy & Bayless
For Conley, Darko & their second first round pick?
That is too much?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
yes.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes he hits his 3's at an amazing rate
still leaves something to be desired on defense & rebounding.
What could Memphis add to it to sweeten the deal? Whosyourdaddi?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Use our two 1st round picks
Trade up for Terrence Williams to backup Roy(Seriously, watch him). Trade Milicic & Outlaw to Houston for Landry.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
:'(
Landry does everything I want Outlaw to do :(
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd really be hesitant
but if we could save our cap space and pick up say, a future first, I’d consider something like:
Rudy/Outlaw for Conley plus future first where the protection gradually drops (similar to Utah getting NY’s unprotected no. 1 next year).
The only way I trade Rudy is if we go from the Spanish Conection to the French!
Travis + Rudy for Tony Parker
No kidding I think rudy is more proven now
Conley played well for a couple of months his college numbers for 3’s were in the 30’s they could head back that direction. for the last month or two of the season Rudy shot close to .600 from 3
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on May 20, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Just Rudy for Conley, Darko & their second 1st round pick?
You need to go watch some Louisville video, Terrence Williams loves defense.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Have to remember that only
Portland,Memphis and Toronto[and ?] are desireable destinations for Spanish players which gives those teams some extra leverage.I like the idea of using the Spanish national team as a farm team[no diss,these guys are real good]starting with signing Felipe Reyes this year,we could use an uber tough,elite rebounder.
by southern oregon on May 20, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Outlaw and our #1 for Conley
Maybe a #2.. I think the OP gave them a pau gasol deal.. we wouldnt give up that much
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 20, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions
I wish they had a site on SBN we could ask their fans
but alas, they are the sole WC team to not have one
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 20, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
What we need to do is find out is Conley has a brother in the draft
Then we could draft conley’s brother, and throw in a couple of 2nd rounders , similar to the Gasol brother trade and we could even save Travis for a deal for a back up forward
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on May 20, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Mortimer asked what Conley's weaknesses are. Here is a brief assessment from 3 Shades of Blue today
1. Mike Conley. Got one vote for most improved. Has a shaky shot (yes still, you can argue all you want otherwise). Has confidence problems. Is quick as lightning. Can make great, heady passes, even if no one on the team can make the shot after the pass. Doesn’t turn the ball over too much. Loves to dribble. Alot. In fact, the over-dribbling kills the offense. Is in a secret romantic affair with Ron Tillery and coach idiot Lionel Hollins.
well he does make a good poitn about it though
play Rubio @ 1 and Mayo @ 2 and then slide Mayo to the 1 while benching Jaric
Good call
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
Norsk....
could you use your game to find out which players most resemble MC Jr. The DNA match thing you have would work nicely.
I like that idea.
Dooooit Norsk.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Conley to Rudy?
Hello, my name is Rudy. I like oops & three balls in opponents eyes.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It looks like e.g. Aaron Brooks has had similar play distributions this season
Main difference to Brooks is that Conley also sets picks instead of handling the ball in a p&r (10%), presumably mostly for Mayo. CP3 who was called his ceiling before the draft is somewhat similar but uses much more pick and roll. Monta Ellis too, but uses more isos and less spotting up. TJ Ford who he was also compared to before the draft isn’t at all in terms of tendencies. Sergio is the most similar on the Blazers with same percentages for pick & roll and spotting up (also the most similar to Brooks).
Hotspots seems to be not working right for the Grizzlies team at the moment.
Statistically similar players when looking just on last year in terms of TOV%, Assist% and shooting percentages were Jameer Nelson when looking on better players (only him with that combo) and again Brooks as the closest one when looking at players just below his values. Derek Fisher also was close.
Historically if age is not a factor it’s e.g. Jose Calderon in 2007-08, Antonio Daniels in 2000-01, Steve Nash in 1997-98 and our very own Kevin Pritchard in 1995-96 :)
Aaron Brooks is a solid floor for Conley
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If Aaron Brooks is the WORST that Conley can be....
then Outlaw+Bayless for Conley would be an absolute steal for Portland.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
His ceiling is much higher
That is what excites me :)
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Still can't get the hotspots to work for this year. Here is his chart from last season, I assume he is better across the board now
Another similar player was DJ Augustin when you go by PER and TS% with those assist and turnover numbers.
He does a lot less over dribbling then say
Bayless in a half court set. But he could learn from Blake in the “running the team” regard. Like Rondo with Sam Cassell?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why is paid big bucks
lots of options and I feel that we cannot stand pat, we have to make a move.
Anyone else think
Ronny Turiaf is a good fit as a starter for Memphis?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
Better for OKC
Jeff Green Belongs on GS
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
Its Crazy mon but..
i know noone is gonna like this one but how about rudy and sergio and trout for gay and connely. i would rather have rubio and gasol on our team but it would really work for both teams and with rudy the chemistry factor is huge, almost like getting another player for them not to mention that it would work for both teams well. for us im not sure we would be getting enough in return but it would potentially fill 2 holes and if we didnt have to worry about taking on any other contracts we can still use our $ to get tougher and improve defense. as much as id like rubio, im not sure he would work here with roy and nates halfcourt gamepace and connely would probably be a better fit. and we can still trade blake.
Stop going crazy
KP isn’t going to blow up this team very much; he has said so. I don’t see us losing anyone more that Sergio and probably one other (most likely Outlaw).
If you could trade coaches
Would you trade Outlaw and Nate for Phil Jackson?
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
No. But if I'm the Lakers....
I’d have to seriously consider a Jack Nicholson for Zach Randolph and Billy Crystal deal.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
i heard Jack has season tix for the clips too so he gets the same seats for lakers "away" games at staples
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
Monty Williams
He’s going to be a head coach somewhere, soon. – Elgin
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I voted bad Idea
Just because I do not know if we need to give up Trout, Blake/Sergio/Brex, a first rounder, and some second rounders just to get conley. I would love to see him as a Blazer but at what cost?
by BlazerFanFromDenver on May 20, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions
That works
Just Travis’s family will put some butts in the seats for them
by southern oregon on May 20, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You forgot cash considerations
Any deal with involving Portland and Memphis will have those words.
“We want everything you’ve offered, plus 3 million.”
I find it weird....
that in the conversation regarding Conley potentially being aquired more emphasis (though it has been mentioned) isn’t put on the awesome chemsitry between MC and one of our cornerstone pieces,GO…It is my contention that not only is Conely a better point guard than we already have but his presence would improves GOs offensive game exponentially….And he is young and would grow with the team and could be a key piece for a decade….I think he is THE missing piece.
Did he really make Oden better in college?
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't watch much.
Even from just a mental standpoint I think it could help Oden having Conley on the team.
What are the odds that this happens? I just watched some guy on TV , who I’ve never heard of, talk about how the Grizzlies will probably trade Conley to make room for Rubio. It sort of seems like a given. You’ve got to think the Blazers will be first in line.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Trades are always unlikely
this one seemingly would make the most sense to both sides. I hope KP is at least working the phone.
Tikiliki
You conclude falsely that a consolidated trade thread is required. There are far too many interesting players or possible trades to be discussed in any one trade thread. It would be an endless repeat of narrow dialogue dominated by a few loud people. An alternative might be a player specific posting. The Heinrich or Rubio or Conley afficionados could fight it out endlessly without monopolizing more general trade talk.
Dave said in the season that he would prefer there be a consolidated “trade drawer.”
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
trade with the Knicks
Would they trade Lee and their #8 pick for Trout, Sergio, our #24 and a couple of 2nd round picks? Blazers use the pick to get the best PG Jennings, Curry or ? available. I would make that trade in a minute.
You think the Knicks would?
Anyways, we would end up trading that pick to get higher because neither of those choices are particularly appetizing.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
Not happening.
Lee, who got more double-doubles than Dwight Howard this year, is going to be traded for what are effectively our rejects. I realise he has huge shortcomings but I doubt the Knicks quite see it that way.
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit.
Ok, so now my turn for a crazy idea.
Lets cling onto the idea that Hinrich is perfect and do a three team trade. YAY!
Clippers
Portland
Bulls
To Bulls:
Chris Kaman
Mardy Collins
To Clippers
Travis Outlaw
Steve Blake
To Portland
Kirk Hinrich
Blame stupid trade machine fiddling and hearing that the Bulls might be interested in one of the Clippers abundant big dudes.
Now pick holes, Kaman isn’t a PF, what if they trade Davis, we love Blakey, we don’t think Hinrich is good etc etc.
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit.
would the bulls give up Hinrich for Kaman and Collins?
Will Collins even be in the league next year? Is Brad Miller under contract to them for next season? – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
Wont see it coming
ruffin, james jones, rudy, nic batum, channing frye, jerryd bayless roy, aldridge what do they all have in common? These were all guys we traded for that we never specualted about or ever saw coming why would it be any different this time?
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