Focusing on the wrong 76er(s)
by John Park Williams on May 2, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
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PrintI am really really against the Blazers acquiring Andre Miller. The 2001-2002 Los Angeles Clippers won 39 games; they were one of the young and up and coming teams in the NBA. On their last game of the season, a sold-out Staples Center gave them a standing ovation, and the players returned the favor by jumping on the press table and cheering them on. Up to that point, it was the best moment in Clippers history.
So the Clippers entered the 2002-2003 season with loads of excitement. And with reason. Not only did they return their core of Elton Brand, Lamar Odom, Corey Maguette, and Quentin Richardson, they had also acquired Andre Miller from the Cleveland Cavaliers. Miller had just averaged 16 points and 11 assists for a team that had won 29 games.
So how much did the Miller acquisition improve the Clippers? They lost 12 more games than the year before. Miller shot a whopping 40% for the season, 20% on threes, and only 6 assists per game, even though he was playing the same amount of minutes. He only lasted one season with the Clips. He has since gone on to the Nuggets and 76ers, where he has led his team to the playoffs 5 times in 6 years, getting eliminated in the 1st round every time.
Andre Miller cannot shoot. Teams sag off of him. He kills team spacing. Yet, post after post I read that fans think he is the veteran leadership we need. I do not see it.
However, all the focus on Miller led me to an idea. How about Louis Williams? He turns 23 in October, and just averaged 12 points per game (on 40% shooting to be fair), but he is locked up until 2012-2013 at $5-6 million per year. The 76ers are in financial hell. Even though they are in a big market, with the Phillies, Eagles and Flyers all playing well, the 76ers are drawing terrible attendance. They need to slash payroll after that horrific Elton Brand signing, and, they probably think that if they can get far enough under the cap by 2010, lEbron, Bosh, or DWade will come calling. Also, the Sixers need to save money to resign Thadeous Young in a couple of years. They will be willing to make a deal.
So, I know you all hate trade posts, but I suggest, Trout, Martell and Blake for Louis Williams and Sam Dalembert. The thing is, even if Louis Williams turns out to suck, his contract makes him extremely manageable. Dalembert can back up LMA, making a Dalembert/Oden (backup) frontline incredible imposing.
Any thoughts?
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I'm not sold on Miller either.
Dalembert is a pure center. Talk about killing spacing. There is no way he ever plays power forward.
The Canadian team kicked Dalembert off because of his poor attitude. I think that says something about the guy.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 2, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions
Trout, Martell, and Blake seems really expensive for Lou Williams
But I like your ideas… I think we could offer them Trout or Martell and Sergio. I like Lou, but I think the 76ers see him as their PG of the future.
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
This is possibly an even worse idea than acquiring Baron Davis
Dalembert is making $11 mil per season, and he’s a center. Louis Williams is a two guard making $4.5 mil. Here’s what Hollinger has to say about Williams at the point:
Williams plays the point on occasion, but his shoot-first mentality and occasional sloppiness with the ball make him a tough fit there.
Why would the Blazers make a move to bring in a third string center at $11 million and a third string shooting guard at $4.5 million, when those are clearly their two strongest positions in the second unit?
This is up there with the most nonsensical trade ideas I’ve ever heard. I haven’t decided whether this is quite as bad as picking up Baron Davis’s god-awful contract, but it’s definitely close.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Louis Williams and Willie Green are me-first, high-volume shooting gunners like Jerryd Bayless, so ...
it’s obvious to anyone who knows me realizes how much i hate those type of players. Luckily for Williams and Green, however, they split time at off guard for the Philadelphia 76ers alongside Andre Iguodala, who masks their inability to run an offense or play adequate defense. Yet, unfortunately for Iguodala, Williams and Green can’t cover for his mediocre long-range shooting, since they’re also inefficient from downtown.
The 76ers would be much better suited with an off guard who can shoot roughly 40% from beyond the arc — with Mike Bibby theoretically being an optimal fit, although he’ll probably re-sign with the Atlanta Hawks — because that’d give the team some diversity on offense. Alas, the ol’ Billy King era backed Philadelphia into a corner with Green and Williams; as a result, present GM Ed Stefanski has his work cut out for him.
How is Jerryd Bayless a gunner?
If anything he’s a reformed gunner.
His assist ratio absolutely kills combo guards like Monte Ellis, Nate Robinson, and Daniel Gibson and is much closer to guys like Tony Parker and Devin Harris. I think his college reputation as a shoot first combo guard is still lingering, but not entirely justified anymore. He’s clearly making a concerted effort to pass more, which ironically might have messed up his game by taking him out of his comfort zone.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 2, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
A combo of Tony Parker, Monta Ellis and Derrick Rose would be a great outcome for Bayless
All not the most brilliant outside shooters and just adequate defenders, but very good at driving to the rim and good at running a team.
"The playoffs now are my grind. My grind for a championship,'' Roy said. "Whatever needs to be done to get there I'm gonna do it.''
A quick check of the stats says otherwise
Jerryd’s assist rate (18.2) was worse than Lou Williams ever has been, is roughly the same as Nate Rob’s career rate (although significantly worse than Nate’s this year), a little better than Monta’s, and is less than half of what Tony Parker’s was this year (40.1). A roughly 1.5:1 A/TO rate doesn’t help him (Nate’s was still over 2).
There are other arguments for Jerryd, but right now, the stats say he is MUCH more similar to those first three guys than the last two. Not even close.
I prefer assist %.
Assist Ratio is the percentage of a player’s possessions that ends in an assist. It seems a little more accurate to me.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 4, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
assist % = assist rate
at least the stats I quoted above refer to assist percentage, as listed at bb-reference.
Hollinger has him listed as 21.2 not 18.2.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 4, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
assist % and assist rate
two completely different things. I blame basketball-reference. They seem to correlate fairly well for guys of Bayless’s usage level, though, it only gets really skewed with lower usage guys (sub 17%) since they’re not involved in the offense enough to generate assist on that many FGs total.
I’ll cede the point that he may not be as bad a gunner as those guys, but that assist % (% of team’s FG that he assists while he’s in) shows that he was nowhere near Tony P or Devin Harris are in terms of his ability to run an offense. In fact, while you can find some solid PGs around that 18.2 (Brooks at 20.2, Mo Williams at 20.1), it’s mainly the residence of undersized 2s and combo guards (Jack, Crawford, Terry, Ellis, and Foye jump out).
You could have said
all this
Dalembert is making $11 mil per season, and he’s a center. Louis Williams is a two guard making $4.5 mil. Here’s what Hollinger has to say about Williams at the point:
Williams plays the point on occasion, but his shoot-first mentality and occasional sloppiness with the ball make him a tough fit there.
Why would the Blazers make a move to bring in a third string center at $11 million and a third string shooting guard at $4.5 million, when those are clearly their two strongest positions in the second unit?
with out any of this
This is possibly an even worse idea than acquiring Baron Davis
or this
This is up there with the most nonsensical trade ideas I’ve ever heard. I haven’t decided whether this is quite as bad as picking up Baron Davis’s god-awful contract, but it’s definitely close.
to the exact same effect
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by Screen Name on May 2, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I liked the hyperbole
it reflected my feelings on the topic. Hey, some ideas are just bad ones.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
I've never been a fan of the self esteem movement
Criticism has its place.
If the poster was new to the site… or came up with an idea that was well thought through, but just a little off base… then he or she should be cut some slack.
Homerandflanders has been around a while, though, and if you’re going to post “trade ideas” that lack any semblance of rational thought, then you have to be able to accept that others may point that out.
No reason to treat this idea with kid gloves.
I didn’t call anybody names or make personal attacks. But there’s nothing wrong with saying an idea is nonsensical. Especially when it makes this little sense.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
John Hollinger is often wrong
2006-2007 NBA Preview
“Channing Frye’s 18.12 PER last season as a rookie led the team. With increased playing time under Thomas, 20 points per game and an All-Star selection are not out of reach for this sweet shooting big man”.
Channing Frye was 22 at the time. The same age as Lou Williams now.
I realize that Lou Williams is not Chris Paul. But, trading Trout, Webster and Blake for Lou Williams and Dalembert is not as non-sensical as you suggest. Webster’s and Williams’ contracts are virtually identical, so basically, we would get a player who will definitely contribute in exchange for a player who may not even be in the rotation next year. I realize that this is just my opinion, but I think Lou Williams could really be a very good player. His speed and quickness on the perimeter could be a huge asset in the guard-heavy Western conference.
As for my trade ideas that “lack any semblance of rational thought”, I believe whole-heartedly that Baron Davis could also have achieved the magical feat of getting the Blazers eliminated in the 1st round to a crappy Houston team. I know you doubt him, but trust, me, Baron Davis would have worked his butt off and led us to the promised land of a first round playoff exit.
by John Park Williams on May 3, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
One doesn't need to be a fan of "self-esteem",
to be civil and cordial in conversation. Thinking “outside the box” can make for interesting discoveries. I don’t know that I would discourage those efforts so quickly. I also wouldn’t say that the OP put no thought into the post either, he at least put in the effort to explore a different vain of thought then the popular opinion that’s been rampant.
Most of your argument is based on the assumption that your view is entirely accurate and without reproach.
There’s something in the middle of “kid gloves” and belittlement.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
$11 million for a third string center is not "thinking outside the box"
Thinking outside the box would be coming up with a player to trade for, who has not been frequently mentioned, and making some rational case regarding how that player might possibly help the Blazers and how he might be available.
Suggesting that the Blazers bring in a center to play back up PF and a two guard to run the point is not “thinking outside the box.” It’s posting a trade idea without taking the time to check on whether the players involved even play the positions you thought they did.
Regardless, my point here has nothing to do with whether my view is “without reproach.” Even assuming I’m wrong that it’s a bad idea to pay a third string center $11 million (which would indeed be an interesting “discovery”), I think it’s in bounds to express my opinion that this idea is one of the most nonsensical I’ve ever heard.
That’s my opinion, and I explained what the basis for that opinion is. Others are free to disagree.
It would be out of bounds to delve into ad hominem attacks on the poster, which I did not do.
I understand what you’re trying to do, but I think in this case your paternalism is misguided.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
I enjoyed reading this,
even though it left me feeling as though I have less ground to stand on then I previously thought. I appreciate the extra info given and patience you’ve shown explaining your position.
This is true…
It would be out of bounds to delve into ad hominem attacks on the poster, which I did not do.
…unfortunately, this may be as well.
… I think in this case your paternalism is misguided.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
I don't know.
Point Guard has got to be the hardest position in sports to spot potential and compatibility (besides maybe QB). So much of their success will have to do with the coache’s system, their own strengths, and how those strengths mesh with those of the players around them. Chris Paul and Deron Williams coming into the league at the same time was an anomaly — that’s why they are both locked up for good. I believe there is a perfect point guard for our team out there, it’s just that it’s almost impossible to tell who it is until they are actually running with our squad. The three strengths I believe our perfect point guard needs to possess are: an ability to put defensive pressure on the opposing point guard, all-around quickness, and premiere defensive abilities. Steve Blake will be a great mentor and help develope this person into a good decision maker and responsible leader. Now, if only we had a crystal ball lying around…
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Clarification:
By putting “defensive pressure” on opposing pg’s I mean they need to be able to score at the rim and take it to opposing point guards.
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That
The three strengths I believe our perfect point guard needs to possess are: an ability to put defensive pressure on the opposing point guard, all-around quickness, and premiere defensive abilities.
Sounds like Jerryd Bayless in 2 years if not sooner.
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The Bhagavad Gita
That'd be great.
Don’t know if he has the length to be a great defender though, especially against bigger point guards the we will REALLY have to worry about in the future (Billups, Farmar, Rondo, Mo Williams). But I would love to see him develop into our starting PG.
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Martell
I really think he is going to be the guy for us next year. He is capable of instant offense, remember 24 points in a quarter against Utah, and he is also a big improvement over Outlaw on defense. Martell takes a lot of pressure off of Brandon without being a liability on defense.
Also, a lot of people are not happy with Blake, but I think he had a great year and did everything we needed him to do. I’m not going to trade Blake until we know we have a long term solution at the point.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
I hope he is.
But I don’t remeber seeing anything that makes me confident he will be a huge defensive upgrade over Outlaw. Are you saying this becasue Outlaw is so bad at ‘D’ or do you remeber him being a great defender. Don’t get me wrong — I really hope he is.
I don’t want to trade Blake either. I’m sure you are all sick of me saying this but Steve Blake off the bench is KEY to us becoming a championship contender. A coach off the bench who would run the second unit like it were his own (it would be) with championship experience at HS and NCAA and a GREAT mentor to a more talented starting point guard. Even if we get a better starting point guard, we will still need Blake around. Sergio and Bayless are both expendable IMO.
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I think Martell is at least an average defender
Not great, but he is a smart player who probably has figured out that he is going to play more if he improves his defense, and he has good speed and size to guard some of the better small forwards in the league. He is not going to ever shut down Lebron, but I think Nic will be our Lebron/Kobe stopper.
I totally agree with you about Blake.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
He is also a bigger body
and people seem to have forgotten how athletic he is. There is a reason KP always talked about how he thinks martell could be a special defender because he has all the tools
- Neil
by Blazin'aTrail on May 2, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He is cut more in the mold of...
…LeBron and Carmelo. Big, strong small forwards. Not the tall, lanky guys that were the trend. I’m not saying he will approach their status in terms of talent, but he will match up well with them and they won’t be able to as easily move him out of their way when they drive the lane (think LeBron vs. Tayshaun). I’m thinking that is going to be a big deal as Carmelo and LeBron will be two of the largest obstacles in the Blazers path to a championship.
And we can develope him into a better defender over time.
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And big props on your byline, koyote. Sasha is a sissy name.
I’m developing a drinking game based on Mike Rice’s catch phrases. I think he says sissy quite a bit. Do you think that would be worth throwing in there?
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I love the idea of a Mike Rice drinking game
He probably does, too! Let us know when you get it worked out.
2 hot 2 stop it
My roommates and I had a Mike Rice drinking game a few years ago
Every time he mispronounced someone’s name, you had to take a shot of whiskey.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
Dear GOD!
My roommates and I had a Mike Rice drinking game a few years ago
Every time he mispronounced someone’s name, you had to take a shot of whiskey.
Should I send immediate medical attention? Did you momentarily come out of your alcoholic coma long enough to post this?
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Yes I know
you said years ago, that’s the only reason I believe you about this. Were it a few days ago you would still be out cold.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
This a horrible idea, while KP Corleone and Nick Van Excellent did a good job at debunking its legitimacy.
Anyhow, the Philadelphia 76ers are pretty much set heading into next season. As it stands, here’s the team’s roster heading into next season.
Center: Samuel Dalembert
Center: Marreese Speights
Center: Jason Smith
Power Forward: Elton Brand
Power Forward: Reggie Evans
Power Forward:
Weakside Cornerman: Thaddeus Young
Weakside Cornerman:
Weakside Cornerman:
Ballside Wing: Andre Iguodala
Ballside Wing:
Ballside Wing: Royal Ivey
Off Guard: Willie Green
Off Guard: Louis Williams
Off Guard:
In the 2009 NBA Draft, the Philadelphia 76ers should select a combo guard who’s a first-rate defender and capable of running the offense when Andre Iguodala is on the bench. In my mind, Jrue Holiday is the perfect fit for that position.
During free agency, the 76ers must sign a backup for Thaddeus Young who can provide efficient three-point shooting in that reserve role. Hypothetically, Wally Szczerbiak could fill that big void — or, perhaps, Kyle Korver could make his triumphant return to the “City of Brotherly Love” via the mid-level exception, even though that’d only occur if he exercises the early termination in his contract with the Utah Jazz — but that’s just my idea.
The 76ers would need to fill out its roster with some cheap, cost-effective veterans, too, with Maceo Baston, Keith Bogans, and Luther Head being examples. That’d be similar to how the 76ers brought in Theo Ratliff, Donyell Marshall, and Kareem Rush this past season.
Center: Samuel Dalembert
Center: Marreese Speights
Center: Jason Smith
Power Forward: Elton Brand
Power Forward: Reggie Evans
Power Forward: Maceo Baston
Weakside Cornerman: Thaddeus Young
Weakside Cornerman: Kyle Korver or Wally Szczerbiak
Weakside Cornerman: Keith Bogans
Ballside Wing: Andre Iguodala
Ballside Wing: Jrue Holiday
Ballside Wing: Royal Ivey
Off Guard: Willie Green
Off Guard: Louis Williams
Off Guard: Luther Head
Well, that’s that.
Just curious,
Why not keep Ratliff, he had some big games form them late in the season. Do you think some team is gonna grossly overpay him?
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
I read about that only after I posted my question.
I agree, it’s telling. From what I could gather on the Sixers blog, things arn’t looking to good for that franchise.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Yeah, I'm also not too sure what's up with Samuel Dalembert and Elton Brand.
My gut feeling, however, is that the Philadelphia 76ers are stuck with both of them.
Miller missing for final team meeting
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4126759
"Rudy’s flashy passes had the place whispering to each other like we were in junior high" ~BlazermaniacAndy
by courtsideerrandboy on May 2, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions
I doubt he comes back.
The Blazers should try to sign him if they can’t come up with a better option.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 2, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard that yesterday. "He thought the meetings were optional" is a brilliant excuse for a ten year veteran
Since when are season exit interviews optional?
"The playoffs now are my grind. My grind for a championship,'' Roy said. "Whatever needs to be done to get there I'm gonna do it.''
Here's my idea for Andre Miller.
“Regarding Miller, [33,] the Miami Heat looks like it’d be a good fit for both parties. A one-year contract worth the mid-level exception should be enough to intice Miller in a down market, too, with him assured of a starting role over Mario Chalmers, who’d be better served as a backup at this early point in his career. Indeed, a backcourt of two outstanding isolation drivers, Dwyane Wade and Miller, would be a defensive nightmare for some teams.”
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/1/862262/player-s-most-likely-traded-this#15157986
the fact that he skipped the meeting
means he wouldnt fit blazer culture, right? i think it means he’s not the right guy. reminds me of…
"So, then, I was like, it'd be really dirty if I put up 42. So I did!" -Brandon Roy, post-game comments after game 2 of the first round of the 2009 NBA Playoffs
I'm on the I don't want Miller bandwagon as well
www.freeoden.com Coming soon
by 123_G.O._RipCity on May 2, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions
Talk about cherry picking data
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millean02.html
Focusing on a player’s worst season as some reason to instantly disqualify acquiring them (especially when that season was playing for the most moribund and jinxed team in the league) is just outright laughable, especially when that was seven years ago, and he’s consistently been pushing his teams into the playoffs ever since and performing at high level ever since.
This isn’t to say that there are some red flags concerning his age, but his game is not the problem.
Seriously people, actually watch some hoops besides Blazers games before making proclamations about a player’s fitness or ability.
seriously, you seriously want me to watch some hoops?
I chose that season, because, in case you don’t remember, the Clippers were the talk of the league before the start of that season. ESPN had just finished an entire series devoted solely to them. It became cliched in Hollywood be a Clipper fan. I, for one, jumped on the bandwagon. And Andre miller stunk up the joint. It was excruciating to watch.
I was only analogizing between that Clippers team and this Blazers team. Two teams with loads of talent that needed a point guard. Now, obviously Brandon Roy is a lot better than anyone the Clips had, but the point is, given how close the Blazers truly are, in my opinion, if your not going to go for the home run with CP3 or Deron W, the Blazers are better off taking a chance on a young player like Louis Williams who may or may not have a breakout year ala 2005-2006 Leandro Barbosa, rather that a player like Andre Miller who has been on talented teams before and underperformed.
The other analogy that I will make is the 2000 Sacramento Kings. Coming off a 1st round loss to the Utah Jazz in 1999, the Kings were hellbent on a getting a veteran shooting guard to compliment JWill, C-Webb and Vlade Divac. They went with Nick Anderson, who was coming off of a 15ppg year with the Magic. Anderson was a disaster and set the Kings back.
Andre Miller’s game is not the problem? Is it his age that limits his range to 15 feet? Is it age that requires him to pound the ball for 15 seconds a possession?
“seriously people, actually watch some hoops besides Blazers game…..” was not needed. I am 23, and I guarantee you that over the past 23 years, there are at most 10 people on this planet who have watched more NBA than me.
by John Park Williams on May 2, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
that guy
http://www.blazersedge.com/story/2007/5/27/35733/4476
4,
Do not violate my pet peeves, which all have to do with bad/abusive/unfair conversational styles. In other words, don’t be “THAT guy”. Typical characteristics of THAT guy:
c.
He begins posts with phrases like, “If you had actually watched the game…” or “If you knew anything about basketball…” These are inflammatory and again unnecessary. It’s possible that people actually did watch the game and simply saw something different than you did.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
ok you're getting to be a post nazi
until the mod rights get handed out, how about ya lay off correcting every posters style?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
I'm not correcting "every" posters style.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
frequent enough that it's already tiresome
and you haven’t even corrected me or anything. I mean I’ve had discussions about tone too, but please don’t become a hall monitor. If that’s not your intention, that’s fine, but I thought you’d want to know how you’re coming off.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
hay man, y u nazi-in my nazi-ism?!?!111
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
gotta nuke somethin'
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
man, we need an edit comment option
or maybe a good PM feature.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 2, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, capitalist
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Don't look now Cablinasian, but RealGM has us getting DeJuan Blair in their latest mock draft :)
http://realgm.com/src_feature/1501/20090501/2009_nba_mock_draft_version_40/
Here is another one likely more realistic but less favorable:
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2009/4/30/859906/rus-2009-nba-mock-draft-version-1-0
"The playoffs now are my grind. My grind for a championship,'' Roy said. "Whatever needs to be done to get there I'm gonna do it.''
Oops sorry, wrong tab
"The playoffs now are my grind. My grind for a championship,'' Roy said. "Whatever needs to be done to get there I'm gonna do it.''
If the Wizards draft Ricky,
could we feasibly end up with Gil?
Could we afford to take on his contract?
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Gilbert Arenas isn't going anywhere.
Anyhow, here’s an idea for the Washington Wizards to slide under the luxury tax and appease Abe Pollin.
FROM MEMPHIS & TO WASHINGTON
PG Mike Conley, Jr. ($3,630,480)
PF Darrell Arthur ($977,160)
FROM WASHINGTON & TO MEMPHIS
PF Darius Songaila ($4,234,000)
SG DeShawn Stevenson ($3,616,071)
2nd Pick (e.g., Ricky Rubio)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cp7wml
For the Wizards, Mike Conley, Jr. arriving would allow the team to move Gilbert Arenas to his more natural position of shooting guard. The Wizards would get salary cap relief by shipping out Darius Songaila and DeShawn Stevenson, too, while Darrell Arthur would compete with Andray Blatche for minutes backing up Antawn Jamison at power forward.
For the Memphis Grizzlies, the acquisition of Ricky Rubio would be a massive boon for the team. Now, whether or not Rubio would want to play in Tennessee is up for debate, because it’s been rumored that he may force his way onto the New York Knicks by threatening to stay in Europe. The Grizzlies, however, have another Spaniard already on its roster in Marc Gasol; thus, that might appease Rubio.
Lastly, the Grizzlies would select Jordan Hill — or maybe Blake Griffin, but that’d be contingent on the team winning the draft lottery — with its own first-round pick to fill that hole at power forward.
So of the two assest,
you think the two pick is the most easily pried piece?
What would an acceptable move that Portland could make to grab Ricky? Appease me, if Memphis could pull Ruby, then couldn’t we? and of course our Spaniard would be even better for Ricky, would he not?
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
I would trade anyone other then
Oden and Roy. LMA would require a serviceable PF in return as well though. I’m not read to give up on LMA but if Rubio is as good as they say and we got a 2nd tier but still good PF in return it might be worth it. I would also hesitate to trade Rudy or Przybilla.
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The Washington Wizards need cap relief and a pure point guard more than anything, ...
which the Memphis Grizzlies have at its disposal in a pre-7/1/2009 trade. On a side note, I have a sneaky feeling that Ricky Rubio would be misused and abused under the reign of “Sarge” Nate McMillan.
As someone who’s watched McMillan closely as a coach throughout most of this decade, the one thing I know for certain about him is that he like tall, methodical floor generals who remind him of himself — which includes efficient three-point shooting and a diligent effort defensively — therefore, I could totally see him clashing with the free-wheeling Spaniard.
At this point, the only way that the Memphis Grizzlies trade Mike Conley, Jr. is if the team can get ...
someone like Ricky Rubio in return for him. Thus, for the Portland Trail Blazers, the Conley, Jr. ship has sailed off into far away waters.
This is what they were saying on the Sixers blog
Lou Williams is who we thought he was — garbage.
Andre Miller was the only player who showed up tonight. I feel extremely privileged to have watched him this all season. Sad thing is, this is probably the last game he’ll ever play for us.
of course this is right after a tough loss, in which the team apparently underperformed, so I don’t know how fair minded this perspective is, but it comes from a fan of said team
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
good point
It doesnt change my opinion of Miller at all, but it does of Lou Williams. If fans on their board say he is garbage, then maybe he is just the Trout of their team. A guy who casual observers think is an up and coming player, but those who watch all the games notice that he hurts you more than he helps.
by John Park Williams on May 2, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Not just the fans,
but the guys that runs the blog. But yeah, he could be the “Outlaw” of the Sixers, or the guys could have posted in an over emotional state, don’t really know…
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Lou Williams is what Jerryd Bayless will be in the (likely) scenario that he never becomes a PG
in other words, pass.
Nope.
Bayless already destroys Williams in assist . Lou Williams is in the Jamal Crawford, Daniel Gibson, Monte Ellis, range at 17. While Bayless is in a higher tier with guys like Tony Parker, Jordan Farmar, Russell Westbrook, Devin Harris, and Dj Augustine at 21.2%.
Bayless already gets assists at a much higher in his rookie year than Williams does in his 4th. For Bayless to become anywhere near Lou Williams in the PG department he would actually have to regress in his passing. There aren’t really any similarities between the two, but I guess you wouldn’t want to miss out on an opportunity to say something negative about him.
Good work.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 3, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
*assist ratio
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 3, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
we coulda drafted Speights, no?
Gotcha on the Miller debacle. Yes indeed Andre Miller would be a debacle on the Blazers. Glad that has been recognized here. Good work on that point.
I just don’t see the idea of getting Lou Williams and Dalembert. Dalembert is not very impressive when you get right down to it. He’s basically worthless except to teams that can afford to play weak slow PFs on their second units.
What we need is a Maxsap bruiser PF who can come in off the bench and just terrorize the opponent. That DeJuan Blair dude comes to mind. He might not be tall enough though.
The PG situation is real dicey. Right now I’d say Blake is the leading candidate for the starting PG job this November. If the opportunity came along KP would upgrade, but I think it’s safe to assume that Blake is our starter for next year. Bayless is likely never going to turn into a PG. Rodriguez is likely gone. And Rudy? I guess he’ll continue being Brandon’s main backup at the 2, plus some time in the backcourt with Roy at the point.
Blake can get it done. Frankly I think our main needs for next season are: 1) Maxsap backup PF, 2) backup center, 3) backup/starting SF (depending on how healthy Martell is and how committed the organization is to Outlaw).
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