Post-Lottery Trade Thread (5/19)
by prezofdeath on May 19, 2009 6:11 PM PDT
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07. Warriors
06. Timberwolves
05. Wizards
04. Kings
03. Thunder
02. Grizzlies
01. Clippers
The order, via Timbo.
This thread is for trade ideas now that we know the order. Instead of clogging the sidebar with 49 fanposts, let's try to keep the trades for the next few days hours (you guys filled it up quick) here in one location. Makes it easier to pass ideas around as well...
Trade away!
UPDATE: There's a NEW trade drawer up. Feel free to hit it up for the latest.
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oops, did you have one?
i never even saw it. my bad homes.
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It's ok
I predict Bulls make a play for Chris Kaman, maybe a 3 team trade.
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me help you...
good defensive player, doesn’t get beat by quick point guards like Blake. Can penetrate the lane, knows Oden better than his own mother, and can hit the 3 ball (40%) at age 21. Fits into our window (the next 10 years) and is a great guy.
not long term...
we most likely weren’t going to win immediately next year either. Getting Conley Jr sets us up for the next 10+ years.
Wolves blog
is already predicting the Blazers are going after Conley now, funny.
http://www.canishoopus.com/2009/5/19/880343/lotto-open-thread-zombie-bear#comments
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
what are the knocks on Conley?
I remember during the draft they said he might be just a little overhyped. Obviously, Memphis doesn’t get much regnition so he is not a well known player. So what are his negatives?
by rip city coming alive on May 19, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
the knocks on Conley were...
Poor 3 point shot
Poor FT shooting
Size
Experience/Competition
Answers 2 years later
40% from 3
82% from FT
Still small
Plays like he belongs in the best league in the world
Outlaw, Blake and if they get stingy #24.
Or just Bayless… He could be a combo for them between Rubio and Mayo.
Either way, make it happen.
Chad Ford predicting Memphis taking Thabeet ahead of Rubio.
Sounds like a load, Gasol is probably better than Thabeet, but worth mentioning, anyway.
Hope Memphis doesn’t get greedy.. They might want Fernandez or Batum. I don’t think the rumored Trout deal will still be on the table.
But yeah, do what it takes to get him.
That's crazy talk
I don’t think KP goes beyond an Outlaw for Conley deal period. Outlaw, at this point, is the more valuable player.
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Outlaw for Conley?
lol uh why WOULDN’T we throw in Sergio and a second rounder or two? Conley is definitely more valuable then Outlaw for his position (PG one of the rarer positions) and his ceiling.
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memphis consider trades if they don't want rubio
I’m worried about the thunder if they get either thabeet or rubio
Well, the thing that jumps out at me
is that Conley will be available if Memphis picks Rubio as a consensus #2.
Oden’s ex-teammate, good chemistry, some bad blood with the Darius Miles thing, they’ve always liked Trout….
Eh, interesting.
I'll kick it off
Blake, Outlaw, Sergio, #24 for MCJ, Jaric and Darko.
Memphis clears space for Ricky along with an established PG to hold down the fort, clears two overpaid players off their books.
In an ideal world, they’d take this, but it’s possible they might want Jerryd instead of Sergio. I’m okay with including one or the other, but not both.
There is no way we would send bayless instead of sergio
a combination of Conly, and Sergio would not turn out well, —-very weake defensivly
by raging WebTed on May 19, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Conley Jr is a better defender than anything we have at the position now.
Not really that close either.
from what i have heard
defense is one of his biggest weaknesses. I cant say that i have really ever watched him exept when he plays p-town. Just because may be better than Blake does not mean he is a good defensive player. I have not heard he was good.
by raging WebTed on May 19, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
82games.com
thinks he isn’t a very good defender
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
yep, 82games and basketball reference say
that he’s worse than Blake.
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
When i watch conley he looks better on D than Blake
He has quicker lateral movement and can stay in front of fast guards on the perimeter so they wont be able to blow by and draw fouls on Oden anymore. His D will probably also improve since he is so young and Blake is pretty much maxed out where he is now which is mediocre.
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by BRoyTheNatural on May 19, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
opponend PER
PER differential, and defensive winshares
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
By what you're measuring...
it also says that Blake is better than Deron Williams. Conley Jr doesn’t get beat by the quicker point guards, which is our biggest issue defensively. Conley Jr fill our biggest holes at the position for the next 10 years. He can penetrate the lane, he can dish, he can shoot the three, he can defend quick point guards. He should be on the team, and thas before you mention the Oden factor, age factor, or contract factor, all of which point to this as being a great move.
do you even know what I'm measuring?
I hadn’t posted that yet when this was posted.
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, no
it does NOT say Blake >Williams
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it does
Deron Williams allows PER of 16.3
Steve Blake allows PER of 16.2
Steve Blake, according to what you’re measuring is a better defender than Deron Williams.
I'm also looking at PER differential
and Defensive WinShares.
Williams PER differential is very nice.
Never look at just one metric to evaluate a player, always look at several.
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you notice that Mike Conley Jr has by far the best
+/- on the Grizzlies starting unit. He’s a well equipped defender, especially on smaller point guards which is our biggest issue defensively.
The argument you want to make is,
Conley is only a 2nd year player and is about as good as Blake.
He should surpass Blake soon and has good Chemistry with Oden. Also, he has shown a willingness to play defense.
The only question then, is what about Bayless? Is Conley going to be better than Bayless?
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Conley
Immediate burst in production from Oden.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I love me some Oden
but would it make any sense to say Joakim Noah would suddenly get way better if Chicago signed Taurean Green? Greg has to be his own man.
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by TheTinfoil on May 19, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Taurean Green was far better than Derrick Rose
you’d be onto something. And that is the situation we’re looking at in the future with Conley Jr. The Oden part would just be icing.
Conley is not "far better" than Blake
I think the point we’re making is that they’re about equivalent as of today. The logic is that Conley is better situated to improve.
Why would you look at PER differential
to argue defensive ability? Opp PER makes much more sense. Although that is also a poor measure of individual defensive ability.
+/- is also poor (somehow CP3 was the worst defender in the league last year and one of the best this year according to +/-), and defensive win shares…. Suffice it to say I have serious doubts about a system that claims Karl Malone, Chuck Barkley, Larry Bird (!!), Bill Laimbeer, and Magic Johnson (!!!) are the best defenders in any year in the NBA.
by howlingfantods on May 19, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I am all for using stats to argue points
but some things in basketball can just be seen. If you watch Mike Conley play defense and then watch Blake play you can tell that Conley is the superior defender especially as the season went on.
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by BRoyTheNatural on May 19, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
you may be right,
I cant say ive watched conly play more than a couple times
by raging WebTed on May 19, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I mostly used PER differential
to say he’s not currently an advantage over Blake.
Though I believe he should get better.
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, as11osu,
Conley doesn’t get beat by Paul, Harris, Parker, etc.! I guess those guys must have really struggled w/ Memphis this year. I’m not against getting Conley, just a bit skeptical that he can stay in front of those guards.
Taking on a bad contract
I made this point last week. If the Blazers want to deal Outlaw and Sergio (etc) for MCJ, they’re probably going to also need to take on either Darko or Jaric’s bad contract. Hopfeully not both. Portland can make an unbalanced deal, since they’re under the cap. If KP wants MCJ bad enough to “free Darko” then more power to him. But that deal would eat up most of the offseason capspace
It would just turn us into one of many MLE teams.
Also, after MC Jr, what are we really looking for? A PF to play behind LMA for 12-15 minutes? Can’t we draft that guy, or get a sweetheart deal on a player looking for a Championship? It’d be nice to get Bass, but that might not even happen anyway. You got your franchise point guard within reach, time to make it happen.
We'd have no MLE this year
you have to renounce it get the cap space. Still, finding a backup 4 in the draft isn’t hard, and it’d be more likely that we’d just use Darko to back up LA assuming this is how the deal goes down.
Frye is gone, regardless
we need to renounce his rights in order to have any cap space to begin with.
If you know this scenario is going down
you can give him a bit less than you gave Martell. I wouldn’t doubt that Memphis wouldn’t be enticed my getting Frye as well.
I show Memphis these options and give them a point value.
Steve Blake
Jerryd Bayless
Sergio Rodriguez
Martell Webster
Travis Outlaw
Channing Frye
Joel Freeland
#24, #32, #38
There has got to be a decent package in there that works for both teams.
Mike Conley Jr after they draft Rubio won’t be worth a whole lot to them, but would be worth a good deal of that bundle to us.
renouncing Frye's bird rights doesn't mean he is gone
The Blazers could and I think should sign hin as a unrestricted free agent. I think last year performance leaves him underrated and therefore his market value will also be low making him a steal for a 3rd or 3nd tier PF (behind LA and TO).
by mrwonderfulone on May 20, 2009 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Why would the Blazers take that AND give up outlaw?
This is just not making sense to me. The Grizz are cheap. It’s not like Conley’s the PG of the century. Most of these deals are hideously lopsided for Memphis.
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That's what it will take
a lopsided deal for Memphis. And besides Outlaw is addition by subtraction assuming Martell has game also 4 pg’s would be horrible. Outlaw in case you missed the past few seasons makes terrible decisions and absolutely wilted in the playoffs.
For our team (not all teams but for ours) Conley is >>> Outlaw and Sergio
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To keep this organized: Reply here with concerns about OTHER teams' interests.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
we're not the only ones interested in a trade...
plenty of teams would love to get their hands on a good PG or PF.
Way I see it, they could even swap #1 and 2 or even OKC could try to buy up.
LAC has the worst luck insofar as what positions the top prospects play versus their roster make up..and their PFs aren’t very moveable.
Memphis has been stockpiling guards and would probably rather like Griffin banging with Gasol on the boards with OJ & Conley and Gay.
Wouldn’t you rather, if you were memphis, have this be your starting 5?
Conley
Mayo
Gay
Griffin
Gasol
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
I'm sure they'd like that
but it would take one of those other 4 starters to move up to take Griffin. Memphis has NO trade assets outside of its starters.
Baron Davis is also more tradable for the Clips
They could trade down with Grizzlies, then ship Davis to Golden State.
One thing: doesn’t Rubio say “no way” to just about every team at the top, and just stay in Spain?
thats what i thought.
b davis is disgruntled and more easily movable. I mean he signed their to play with his bud who then jetted town. he still has value. (maybe we can get him for cheap..just throwing it out there). Meanwhile, Randolph punching a dude getting into all sorts of trouble, he isn’t tradeable. Kaman and Camby are perrenial injury risks.
And i don’t think Memphis has to include too much to make it happen either. Rubio is a damn good player and while Griffin is the consensus #1 pick, its not by a mile. Its not the jump from Durant to whoever forgetably went 3rd.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
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by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I will also say that memphis is likely NOT to trade with us.
they have other options (trading with the Clips in a year when 1/2 isn’t a HUGE difference or trading with other teams like the Lakers).
We sent “The Email”, and don’t have a bona fide starter to trade them.
For instance: Would you take Odom or Outlaw+Blake? I think Memphis would take Odom.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
That's assuming that they think 1/2 isn't a huge difference
It’s sounding based on the workouts that Griffin is pretty much locking himself up as a clear #1 over Rubio.
Besides, Odom would require a decent salary commitment from Memphis right now, and I don’t see LA being better positioned for a title next year with Conley instead of Odom. They’d have no bench whatsoever, and a relatively unproven PG next to Kobe. Kobe only has a couple more years at the top of his game. They can’t really risk wasting any of them.
Definitely possible
but that won’t stop GMs from taking him if he looks incredible. Darko was one of the most impressive looking guys in the last 5 years in pre-draft workouts. There’s a reason he went #2.
And besides, K-Mart never put up anywhere near the numbers that Griffin did this year.
wait
they responded to the e-mail by signing Miles. If anything we should be mad at THEM not the other way around.
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EXACTLY!!!!
it’s clear now why they did that. Maybe no one can prove it, but it would take a heavy dose of naivety to think they were “just giving Miles a chance.”
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Yes I agree totally
however, I don’t think they will trade Conley as easily as you seem to think…
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I would not be shocked by an LAC - OKC trade
"Brian (Outlaw is Rejector) is now on the fan saying he put this on to see what would happen " - 123_G.O._RipCity
by Outlaw is Rejector on May 19, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions
Simmons tweeted about
wanting Gay + #2 for #1.
you know OKC
is foaming at the mouth for Griffin….. wouldn’t be surprised to see something like this.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
OKC would have to do something like
- plus Green for Griffin, even that might not be enough given the huge gap between Griffin and who they could get at 3
Ive thought for a long time
that Green and the 3 is on the table RIGHT NOW for the #1
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
if Presti gets Griffin
for Green and the 3 pick, he’s the man.
Green’s a nice 3rd/4th option, and the 3 pick will get you a good role player. but you trade those to things for a star PF any day of the week
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
not saying that it will go through
but it is on Dunleavy’s blackberry right now. I do not want them to get Griffin but they might bet the house
Green
#3
#25
11 1st
But they WILL bet the house, we may not hear of it but you know it is going to be there.
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Clips would be out of their minds
to trade Griffin for green and whatever garbage they would get at #3. Clips won’t trade Griffin unless its for a young All-Star. #1 picks are ALWAYS over valued and I can’t remember a single one being traded ever other then years ahead of time with unprotected picks perhaps.
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How does OKC trade Gay + #2 when they have niether gay nor the #2
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OKC has Phoenix's #1 next season
Green, #3, and a contract (either Kristic or Collison) for #1 and one of the Clippers less desirable contracts (Z-Bo?) could definitely happen.
Then LAC has no PF
Randolph isn’t just a contract at this point.
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Camby should play PF
It’s his natural position, and they have DeAndre Jordan who should be getting 10-15 MPG behind Kaptain Kaman.
Plus, Jeff Green can play PF too, though I like him more as the Clippers starting SF.
Keep Blake
I’d rather have a PG rotation WITH Blake if we get another young guy. Conley + Bayless or Conley + Sergio scares me.
And I’d rather have Conley than Sergio or Bayless. Probably a third team would need to be brought in for us to unload both Bayless and Sergio.
Agreed
Not sure if Memphis would want Sergio/Bayless.
Still possible to send Trout/Bayless/24 to Memphis for what was mentioned above, while sending Sergio/Others to someone else.
might be worth it
from a PR and marketing perspective to get that Spanish flavor on Memphis.
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Conley + Bayless is definitely scary
but for other teams not us. We might start out slightly rough but you will be saying “Blake who?” by the end of the season next year with those two running the point. One or the other of those two would be the PG of the future and the present guaranteed.
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Higher risk = higher reward
What are the odds that Bayless will be better than Blake in 2 years? I would put it at about 80%.
by upper left corner on May 21, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
That's way too much
there are better options for cheaper.
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No there are NOT
better options out there at PG. Name one!
Conley is young has the needed skillset and is friends with Oden and will give a boost in production to Oden and seal him in Portland for when he has completely recovered and is dominant in the final year of his rookie contract i.e. 2010/11 season.
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I think that's why they would want another PG back.
PG is too important to not have insurance at.
Sergio is a good distributor, he’s just not going to do anything on the Blazers.
I think they may want Bayless instead
Since he would be able to play the 1 and the 2 as needed.
Sergio’s advantage may actually be the ability to guide Rubio through the first two years. I could see Memphis taking a flyer on him for that.
I would be willing to give Bayless, I think.
The kid is still a mystery as to how he’ll turn out.
I would just hate to see him traded and then have him blow up the next year.
It'd be hard to blow up playing with Rubio, Mayo and Gay all as perimeter teammates.
But Bayless, Outlaw, Blake should be enough. Maybe we get back #27 from them and can move up to take Blair at 12-13ish.
WAYY too much!
Bayless has too much potential he could easily be as good as Conley. I only rate Conley higher due to further development (thanks to orders of magnitude more Playing Time) and the Oden connection. Bayless has equal or greater potential on the defensive end. I want both and would go Blake, Sergio, Outlaw for MJC jr. and Darko if necessary.
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Overpaying substantially
Probability of living to regret this suggestion: 80%.
by upper left corner on May 21, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
No
I’m all for Outlaw and Sergio + picks and even taking a bad contract to have a 3rd string center in Darko but Bayless stays. We need the insurance as much as Memphis. I would even trade Blake over Bayless. We need a PG for our core it ain’t blake and it may not be Conley. I guarantee it would be Conley OR Bayless though. One of those two will be a legit starter on a contender they have the tools they just need polish and floor time. Conley to Oden alley oops (and looking for him) would be reason enough to get Conley but I want Bayless as insurance.
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plus they have gasol and will have rubio
they have the spanish thing going
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by BRoyTheNatural on May 19, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade the #24 to
Was for Stevenson’s contract, then use the 5
trade the 5 Outlaw and Sergio for Rubio
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and then maybe
we could trade bayless and a second rounder for CP3. Only slightly less likely to happen
by rip city coming alive on May 19, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll rephrase what I DON'T want to happen but what these two dumb-nuts could make happen
I have just one big fear: Dunleavy and Wallace are two of the worst GMs
1. Trading with each other so Griffin goes to Memphis (they really need a PF) for whatever
2. Rubio to the Clippers (they rebuild around Rubio and Gordon. Makes too much sense). They don’t answer KP’s calls
2. Clippers then trade Bdizzle back to the Warriors for Maggette (which was reportedly talked about)
3. OKC picks Thabeet
4. Sacramento picks Jennings
= We are screwed with four direct competitors improving. The best we could hope for would be moving Sergio and something for a pick high enough to get Blair or a new third PG.
Unless Rubio absolute destroys his workouts
I think it will emerge that there’s a huge gap between him and Griffin, similar to what happened with Rose and Beasley last year. Everything I’ve read about Griffin recently is that he’s a force of nature, and it’s hard to imagine a GM passing up on that, unless Rubio looks equally as impressive, I think we might be safe from a Memphis-LAC swap.
Then they might move Z-Bo to Memphis who reportedly had long talks with NY about him
That would benefit us, and we get Conley :)
But those guys are so dumb, so unpredictably dumb…
Chris Wallace is dumb.
But no one wants Randolph. He would poison those young Grizzlies.
by kobisportsguy on May 19, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
kinda like darius would...
o wait did, you can put nothing past those two gm’s
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by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Big difference between bringing in Z-Bo making $30 million
and Miles making $900k.
they would have the same
poisoning affect on them, maybe stat-bo is worse but both are still likely to do damage
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by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
but you can cut Miles if he acts up
you are stuck with Randolph for years. It matters.
look i was just argueing the initial arguement
which was that stat-bo is poison, the contract was not part of the intitial post so ya of course that is a bigger problem but it was not initially proposed as a problem so back off peeps
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by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it Wallace
or is it the constraints put on him by the owner and the financial situation? I always thought it was the latter, and that the Gasol/Mayo trades made sense for them.
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by supremepuntiff on May 20, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with that
It’s one thing to look stupid and another to be stupid. Often times, it’s preferable to appear stupid.
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what's the deal with Frye?
can we sign him and trade him by the draft?
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
for what?
he can’t have much market value after this season
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
to Charlotte
Larry Brown loved him in New York
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
good idea
as part of a felton sign and trade maybe
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, again not quite my idea lol
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
well what else do you want from charlotte?
the wallace ship has sailed(imo)
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Diaw, #12 Pick
Frye, Outlaw, Blake, #24 for Diaw, #12, Mohammed
Charlotte sheds a nasty contract (Mohammed), and Larry Brown loved Channing Frye when Frye played in New York.
Portland takes Maynor with the #12 pick.
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
only thing is Portland would have to buy another 1st Rounder (IMO)
to give to Charlotte so they can get a backup SG (Terrance Williams, perhaps)
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
I have been pimping Terrence Williams
For a long while. I love his game.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
i see what u mean now
i wouldn’t do it(i think maynor will be solid but won’t be better then bayless) although i do like diaw coming off the bench at pf, its nice to hear a new idea though
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He just might have some value to the Griz. Good thinking, but that trade would have to be
agreed to beforehand. You can’t get caught with that contract. Memphis gets Frye Outlaw Blake #24… you can sell that to your fans for Conley Jr. I know we can sell that around here.
Memphis agrees without signing anything, we sign Frye
then Memphis backs out. Just to pull a D. Miles on us again, which was their plan all along.
My Trade
Frye, Outlaw, Blake, #24 for Diaw, #12, Mohammed
Charlotte sheds a nasty contract (Mohammed), and Larry Brown loved Channing Frye when Frye played in New York.
Portland takes Maynor with the #12 pick.
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
Maynor just doesn't cut it. He's probably the 5th or 6th best point guard for us in this draft
also, no way Larry Brown lets Diaw walk. He loves that guy way more than Frye.
I disagree
I love Maynor’s game.
Brown really likes Diaw that much?
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
Wow, talk about overpaying for two overpaid players
We could get the Bucks #10 or the Knicks #8 much cheaper than that who both seem not willing to take on additional cost this year.
But we also get a great backup PF in the deal...
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
is the same thing as overpaying for Jaric or Darko...
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
Hello Mike Conley.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 19, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions
Mike Conley Jr had more value to this team than he did to that team before the draft lottery
now its just a total walk. And we have the parts to make it happen. We get our point guard and keep our nucleus of 6 (Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Przybilla). Hopefully it doesn’t take us long to get this thing to go through.
Muahahaha
My plan is unfolding
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
kp's plan is unfolding...
wait, maybe YOU are KP?!?!?!
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
Damn
Prez is rooting me out amongst the blazer community.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't have gone much better (other than Washington getting the #1)
Memphis the #2 is sweet!!! The chances are huge that either Rubio or Conley will be available… and Conley looked pretty darn good the 2nd half of the season.
YEUHHHHH!!!
by kobisportsguy on May 19, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Like it or not, Outlaw is a solid member of our nucleus. You may not wish it that way
but the Blazers certainly see it that way.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
If the Blazers see
Outlaw as part of the core we are freaking doomed. DOOMED I SAY. Seriously, if Outlaw isn’t moved this offseason my faith in KP will be shattered. Unless we somehow net Conley, Sessions or Rubio without trading Outlaw I will be crushed if we don’t move Outlaw this offseason.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
I bet you would look good flat.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Be nice
Idog is good people, he just hates Outlaw and he wears his Blazers fandom heart on he keyboard.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 21, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate typos
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 21, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmm. I thought, over the last month or so, I had established
that I’m not a nice person. ;p
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I got a deal.
(Outlaw-Rodriquez-Freeland-24-32)
4
(Conley Jr.-Jaric-LIMA!!!)
by audiejamesnorris on May 19, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions
Lima doesn't have beans
she’s a girl
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know
I want Jaric for that reason alone. now I just need front row center court tickets and a drool cup so I can sit in her presence.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
only if Lima
promises to be a blazer fan for life and come to a bunch of games ever year, then you do that deal in a heatbeat
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd give them Bayless and take back Darko
if she joined the Blazer Dancers
kidding!!!
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
Is there anyway to include Roy in that deal too?
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
I trust your opinion, Ho-bob-ob
Earlier in the thread I was looking for the reasons NOT to go for Conley. What do you not like about his game?
Personally, I was never high on Conley going into that 2007 draft, but he has had a few injuries and a few coaching issues (not because of attitude or anything, just what the previous coach preferred), but he undeniably ended this recent season very strong. Now, we should always be wary of guys who put up nice LOOKING numbers on a bad team, and I didn’t watch him play much personally… though I was aware of how well he was doing, and had added him to my fantasy squad. He really was putting up nice numbers across the board.
He’s 21 (very young), very athletic, short but a good reach, good handle, very quickly became a good 3 point shooter, can penetrate… all the stuff we like in young guards.
I don’t care that he is Oden’s friend (I’d prefer Oden make it on his own, and make new friends and grow past Young Man Oden and become GREG ODEN, THE MAN), and I wouldn’t want to really use that as a priority in our decision making process.
With how he ended the year, and the potential he has, I think an Outlaw for Conley deal would be a steal for us— if only to have an asset like Conley, who many teams have craved. Taking a bad contract along with it (or a solid backup big like Darko) makes it all the easier for us to do the deal.
What do you see in his game that you don’t like? I am 100% seriously asking, because I just want to know more… since it seems so likely we could be trying for him, and he is sort of an enigma to me.
Mortimer
Why don't you think
the Oden factor matters? Oden has been depressed in Portland and seems to have trouble making friends with his team mates. Roy and Aldridge are both aloof guys kind of like Oden. Having a friendly gregarious guy like MC jr. who happens to be Oden’s best friend and happens to have all the tools we need in a pg ( except top shelf perimiter D) seems like a no-brainer to me.
Sure if we could pry Rubio away I would go for that but I almost think the Oden connection makes Conley more valuable then another guy with identical skills. If that roots Oden in Portland and makes him play happy and loose who cares if Oden is A MAN’S MAN (I don’t think that is his personality) and who says he can’t grow into that with his buddy at his side?
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Tomas set a real high bar
For the lamest GM ever but now LAC and MEM are going to have a shot at the title.
by southern oregon on May 19, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions
Memphis Fans At Pro Sports Daily:
Memphis is drafting Rubio, I can guarantee that. Chris Wallace has basically stated that he wouldn’t pass on Rubio if he fell to them.
So, I hope Conley gets traded so O.J. can run the point if Rubio struggles at first. I believe Conley will get traded this summer, as his value is as high as ever, and I think Portland will make a run at him. I could see something like Conley/Jaric for Webster/Bayless going down.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
Conley
I see more of a Sergio + Trout for Conley straight up
It seems that everyone's real problem is they just don't drink enough coffee. They lose their edge, lose track of their priorities, and end up sleeping a third of their life away.
I just think
Memphis would want Sergio for the same reason we would want Conley, Sergio and Gasol would help with a transition for Rubio
It seems that everyone's real problem is they just don't drink enough coffee. They lose their edge, lose track of their priorities, and end up sleeping a third of their life away.
Memphis' interim-GM/player personnel man Hoiberg
…Mentioned that Rubio has a $7 Million buyout, this year and that it’s far from certain that he’ll be in the NBA, next year. This contradicts Chad Ford’s reports, but Fred sounded pretty serious about this. Given that Memphis has the 2-spot, it might be a real issue heading forward to the draft.
They want Rubio for themselfs :p
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't come over if I was him
I would publicly say so, too. Then I would hope my rights would drop to a good team and change my mind.
Which even increases the odds that they're looking to unload some bad contract on somebody
and we’re just that team. Conley Jr to us for a decent package looks as good as in the bank.
Thats right.
Hootie Hoo.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if Rubio really wants to come over. Otherwise, they might either just sit and wait (not so great for the fans) or trade him for a good package
Blazers can’t afford to wait too long, but one year could be in it if we keep Blake.
I was wondering about if
Portland should try to go directly for Rubio rather then try for Conely. Trout + Blake + Bayless might work or substitute Sergio for Bayless. Also we could throw in Freeland/Frye and picks and take back Darko who would be a perfect back up 4/5 3rd string.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
there is no way in heck that package would be enough for Rubio
We’d need to center the deal around Aldridge.
Aldridge for Rubio
that seems a bit extreme. Memphis may not be able to afford a $7 million buy out thats where we come in giving them young talent you could even go Bayless, Sergio, Outlaw, frye and our picks or buying Washington’s pick and trading that as well.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
I'd have to think about whether I'd make that move...
… but when there is a franchise PG available at the #2 spot, in generally requires an all-star to get into that slot. That’s why Aldridge alone probably wouldn’t even be enough to get that pick, unless Memphis was really wanting to avoid paying the buyout.
Well now
that the Clips say they are taking Griffin period, that means the #2 pick is definitely in play or Conley is available. I don’t buy them taking Thabeet.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Jake, why do your state tell you that Rubio is worth so much?
You talk a lot about how you’d trade the moon for someone like Tony Parker, who’s proven something, but Rubio hasn’t proven anything in the league that matters.
Diet. Dr. Pepper.
its simple really
I think Rubio has a shot to be a franchise player— a top 15 player in the league— and I don’t think a team would turn down the chance to get him unless they had a top 25 player coming their way. LMA is more like a top 40-50 player.
I usually agree with you
but you´re wrong on this one.
I don´t see Rubio becoming a top 5 pg, he´s not a good scorer and we need that in a pg nowadays.
I also think LaMarcus has a good chance of being a top 25 player.
Meant to add in that
avoiding a $7 million dollar buy out and also getting massive cap relief and young talent might be too good an opportunity to pass up we could still even do the resign RLEC with unguaranteed second year for mega juicy cap relief for Memphis.
LA is taking Griffin per Realgm.com
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Remember...
…Memphis can only pay 500K of the 7 million dollar buy out. The rest will be paid by Rubio. Even though Memphis is cheap, they won’t balk at paying 500K of it.
And Rubio might be able to get his buy out number down to something more reasonable for him.
Morty
Right
I forgot that detail re: rubio pays his own way. You are correct sir!
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
i think we are forgetting that the clippers
are the clippers and they will find a way to mess things up worse then thought possible
like draft thabbeet causing griffin to go to memphis and rubio going to okc meaning we will have to face rubio 4 times a year, please dunleavy go with the no brainer here.
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
and so it is
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
where's the tears running down his face?
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Judging by his facial expression
He has not yet turned around
Please do not feed the B-Rex
by BRoyTheNatural on May 19, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
its like the clippers logo
is a career crushing ghost that follows young stars
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Certainly
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
An NBA source told me today that Memphis was the one team that might take Thabeet instead of Griffin if it were to get the No. 1 pick
really?
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
they have a fetish for exotic big men
"The problem with tweeners is that sometimes they’re exactly what you need to plug the hole and sometimes they are the hole."
-LaughingJon
duuuuuuuuumb
“Marc Gasol was good last year, but he’s more of an offensive player than a defensive player.”
It’s like you get to combine the two! This makes no sense. Gasol >= Thabeet, and they can’t play at the same time. I love Ford, but this is silly talk. The gap between Rubio and Conley is big, if there is a gap between Gasol and Thabeet its in Gasol’s favor.
i think jennings
would be a perfect fit for the warriors
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
“And with the second pick, in the 2009 NBA draft, the Memphis Grizzlies select…Tyler Hansbrough, of the University of North Carolina…”
If we trade for Conley, trade away Blake
Forces McMillan to trust Conley.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Abso-freaking
lutely! And Outlaw too so Nate has to trust well…anybody but Outlaw.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Rubio
the more I think about it, the more I think Rubio slipping because of his contract status is likely. It seems a minor thing now, but I bet it will get complicated as we approach the draft.
Even the worst (best?) case scenario he wouldn’t drop below the Knicks at #8. But just because Rubio WANTS to come out, does not mean he can. The buy out is crazy as the parties are waiting for a ruling. If the judge rules for the team, Rubio might not come out, especially for the Clippers or Grizzlies.
Stay tuned….
He would love to play for the Grizzlies!
With Gasol? That would be fun to watch.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The task for KP, Penn and the scouts
This is assuming they want Rubio
Figure out where Ricky is liable to “drop” to and begin negotiating with that team. I wish them luck sorting through the smokescreens and disinformation that always abounds, preceding the draft
KP has to be able to see through smokescreens
given his last few drafts his own war room must look like downtown LA during rush hour with all the smoke he and Penn throw up!
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
There is a rumor...
David Lee (Restricted Free Agent) + NY nº8 pick to get Memphis nº2 pick. Memphis get the PF they are craving for (leads the league in double-double), NY doesn’t have to pay for Lee’s contract extension (thinking in 2010) and get a PG, Ricky goes to a big market and his sponsors pay the buyout. If NY signs Lebron and Bosh next summer they become contenders, and Memphis get this lineup: Conley – Mayo – Gay – Lee – Gasol.
It could work
Death to that Rumor!
DEATH I SAY!
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Lee is a RFA
He will have to sign that deal KNOWING he’s headed to Memphis. A destination I’m not so sure he wants (didn’t he nix a talked about trade there last season). The Grizz also have to be able to absorb that contract, which they can, they’ve got like 15 plus million available.
ALL THAT BEING SAID, PROBABLY A DECENT DEAL FOR MEMPHIS. THOUGH I STILL THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE RUBIO.
by kobisportsguy on May 21, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
this will be a very interesting lottery
who the f knows what Wallace/Dunleavy will do with those picks.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we see some wacky deal involving an overpaid vet for those two…
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
ah hell it should be draft
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
how would one acquire the Knicks #8 pick?
I’d like to get Wilcox too, if possible
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
Sergio, $3 million cash, #24, #22/#38. They absorb Sergio with one of their traded player exceptions.
Though moving up to #10 with the Bucks might be more realistic if you take on the remainder of Elson, Ridnour or even Gadzuric.
why would the Knicks do that?
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
They fear Nate Robinson could jump ship this offseason
And they can’t afford to pay for more hoping for a huge free agent signing in 2010. I had Knicks fans liking this. With KP mind tricks the GM might too. If he doesn’t, we might offer to absorb Jeffries who is a good perimeter defender but his contract runs one year too long for them.
interesting
although wouldn’t it make more sense for NY to get Curry at the #8 because LeBron really likes him?
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
Yes indeed
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes please!
Wilcox! We’ll gain several wins just by not having to play against him. He can play back up PF and 3rd string C. Also, didn’t Wilcox and Blake win an NCAA title together? Conley and Oden came close… :)
My one reservation
if we do get conley and he struggles for a bit would Nate run back to his safety blanket Blake? Nate has issues trusting his pg’s and if conley is not immediately what he wants it could be trouble. While it is always nice to have that net there for us in Blake maybe it will hinder us from getting an exceptional point guard because they never get a chance.
Please do not feed the B-Rex
by BRoyTheNatural on May 19, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That is why I said
Blake needs to be sent away if we get Conley. If not to Memphis, then to a team who wants his nonguaranteed salary.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
New Orleans would be an option
No one loves non-guaranteed contracts like George Shinn, besides Sarver
Nate has issues trusting his pgs
This will be a problem for MCJ regardless if Blake is around, or not
Will Nate treat him more like PJ (tough love) and less like Hollins (more freedom to fail)? Will Conley’s confidence be shaken if he’s coached by McMillian, like Sergio (etc)
We’ll probably never know, unless a deal is made. (Personally I’d keep Blake, just in case Conley and Nate aren’t a good “match” personality-wise)
QUESTION
What is the argument AGAINST getting Conley? I get the arguments for, and they seem fine, but coming into the league he was expected to be up there with Deron and CP3. Drafted #4. An allstar. Memphis’ fans seem perfectly fine with giving him up. Why?
He’s shot a lot better than he was expected to. I don’t know his defense. I actually picked him up for my fantasy team to close the season out, once he started playing.
I don’t know enough about him besides him kinda annoying me by not passing enough to Oden in college.
Is he a great playmaker? A more pure PG? Great at penetration? Is it all injuries that have made his start slow? He was just a frosh when he came into the league, after all.
What is the argument against Conley?
Mortimer
Now that's an excellent question
My hesitation about Conley has little to do with his skills or how well he’d fit into the Blazers from a basketballing point of view. It has to do with the whole “Greg’s best friend” hoopla and the fact that I think that’s a lousy reason (in itself) to bring him aboard. I’d love to hear from the people who are REALLY familiar with his game.
Really?
He knows where Oden likes the ball, on the pick and roll, on the post, etc.
That is just a bonus, because he has some great PG ability as well. He has the quickness, speed & quick hands to be just as good as Chris Paul on defense in a few years. He is about the same size
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they just like Mayo and Rubio more
That’s a very well-phrased question though. Why hasn’t he been special? He’s been fine, solid even, but not special.
His assist rate is nothing special (lower than Blake’s) and his TS% isn’t great either. I don’t really have a good answer. I like Conley though— good penetrator, willing passer, can create— why hasn’t he done more?
I don’t have the answer.
he was stcuk behind lowry
what were his stats after lowry was traded?
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
good lord
STUCK
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
BasketBallMonster.com..
has his last sixty days listed as (per game):
36.3minutes
14.5points
3.7rebounds
5.6assists
1.7steals
46.4% / 84.0%
this is all with the keys to run the team.
It's = It Is
Its = Belongs to It
Delicious
besides he didn’t have Oden, Roy and LMA to pass to and a ballhog of a back court mate in Mayo. Conley would fit this team like a hand in a glove!
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The Bhagavad Gita
What was Blake's A/T ratio
When he was 21?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I was in favor back in November :)
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/11/29/675128/the-potential-trade-dum-du#10322101
Strengths: Fits our core ideally at only 21. Very good friends with Oden. Playmaker who can score. Amazing handles (YouTube video of him controlling two balls like crazy). Very quick. Has improved his outside shot a lot this season from about 33% to 40% while attempting one more shot. Has improved FT% to over 80, not great but decent. Low turnover percentage for a point guard around 15% (Sergio and Nash are 10% higher) while being more aggressive than Blake who has a similar number.
Weaknesses: 6’1’’, but has very good vertical (runs in the family) so he is decent at contesting shots. Still learning how to play good team defense, Lowry was clearly the better defender. Not good at playing the passing lanes for steals. Could still benefit from improving his jump shot so defenses respect him more. Durability is a bit of a concern.
As discussed above it could be Rubio who becomes available if there are open questions regarding his buyout. But if the two GMs don’t screw up, either one could become available. Reportedly the Bucks even wanted to trade Sessions and Alexander for him at some time.
One is 21 and the other is 28
One is also a lot more athletic, thus higher potential. More room to grow. Better penetrator.
He is definitely intriguing, especially if we’re able to get him for not-much…
I just wish we’d seen “more” from him, as a key guy on a bad team (and the chances for numbers and production such a scenario gives you as the PG). He ended the year strong, though (which is why I picked him up for my fantasy team). They are promising numbers from a 21 year old PG, for sure.
I do not know his defense, so I hesitate to get real excited about it. Him being Oden’s best friend is not a selling point to me; lotsa guys got the same agent but they aren’t one of the player’s FATHER. I’d also rather Oden is more open and friend-like with other members of the core, and not just with the one friend— but who knows, it may not be like that at all.
M.
by Mortimer on May 19, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think "more" is what Conley will do....
With a better team around him and superstar leader Brandon Roy, I definitely think Mike Conley would give more stats and PER and wins than he has had with Memphis… With the higher cieling and current production at or above Blake’s level, Conley seems like a great target.
by Portland Dynasty on May 19, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
matchups against DWilliams will be difficult for him
but I suppose they would be difficult for anyone. – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
I'm still worried about
the leadership experience. Blake has it for sure, but I don’t know about Conley.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
Roy covers our leadership and then some
As does Joel…
If he is a better player than Blake, and he’s relatively cheap, ya go for the deal. Too much potential and value there.
Can someone beat us to him though?
M.
by Mortimer on May 19, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
The Clippers.
Apparently the Clippers want to trade Davis back to Golden State for Corey Maggette. They also have one big man too many, which is something the Grizzlies desperately need. Chris Kamen for Mike Conley is going to be a more tempting offer than anything we could give them.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 19, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
They're in need of a 4 not a 5.
Also, this years Kaman was a bum. I don’t think that’d trump the package of players and picks we could give them in addition to taking on a bad contract or two. Even throwing Bayless into a package would trump Kaman from my perspective.
This summer will be about cheapness too
Kaman’s a better player deal, but he costs more money. Let’s not all forget what happened at the trade deadline when no one was willing to take VC or Amar’e. It’s a brave new world this summer. Normal trades may be on their heads, rookies will be worth more than vets in trades.
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Post All-Star Stats
Mike Conley Jr
15 PPG, 6 APG, 4 RPG, 2 TO’s, 2 SPG, 46% FG, 44% 3PT, 84% FT
Age: 21
Contract: 3 Years Left / 4 Million / 5 Million / 6 Million
Strengths:
Smarts, Quicks, Passing, Defending Quicker PG’s, 3 PT Shot, Penetration, Feeding the Post
Weaknesses:
Size, Mid Range J, Defending Bigger PG’s,
Terrific post allstar numbers for a guy that young
Why are Memphis fans so willing to give him up so easily, even if they like Rubio and Mayo a lot?
Is someone else likely to steal him away from us?
If I was Memphis, I don’t give him up cheap. But I ain’t Chris Wallace.
Morty
If the Lakers give away their only hope for stopping LeBron its on them....
I doubt Odom is much of a selling point with how old he is, and they’re not in a position yet to be going after specialty defenders. Especially ones that play the same spots as Mayo and Gay.
Lakers can't trade either
Both are FA’s this year, and methinks they would go other places before Memphis
But why would either agree to go to Memphis?
You can’t sign a guy and then immediately trade him to a team against his will.
That’s not the way it works.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It’s all about not paying this year
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At number two, it's probably the best player available for Memphis
And most people think that Ricky’s got the higher ceiling. Draft Rubio and then trade Conley for a PF.
"Should I ask? What's a punani?" - by annthefan on May 3, 2009 1:55 PM
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on May 19, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, they gotta go BPA
That high in the draft on a team that bad, not going BPA kicks you in the bootay later on.
But doesn’t mean they HAVE to give Conley up cheap. Not at first, at least…
Just seems like Memphis fans, instead of scheming the goodies they can get for Conley, have already gone to “ok we’ll trade him HUZZAH RUBIO”. I’d be a lil’ more reticent to trade my 21 year old PG who went 15 and 6 to end the season.
Makes me wonder all over the place.
Morty
Why the hell would they do that....
there is no way Thabeet plays well in that system.
Take away Nate's addiction, trade Travis Outlaw.
I want Kirk Hinrich!!!!!
He is a better rebounder and maybe will remain the better overall defender
Apart from that, swapping or having both on the same team isn’t all that attractive.
It's like with Gasol last year
There are probably better players out there, but not the combo of salary relief and young talent that we could offer, probably. I don’t see the trade happening unless we take Jaric and Darko’s contracts off their hands, and probably giving up Bayless, also.
Then, they’d get two young guys they like (assuming they like Jerryd), over $10 million in savings from our cap exception and not having to pay Marko’s last year, and a steady vet to play alongside Rubio and Mayo to hold down the fort. Taken in whole, that’s a pretty enticing deal for a team struggling to break even. Plus, if Heisley wants to make a big splash in 2010, they’ll have an extra $7 million in space without Jaric on the books.
Jaric Darko & Buckner
Are all available in terms of “cap relief” then we would have a whole littany of new expiring contracts to talk about !
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
We can take on salary better than most teams looking for a young PG.
Ya know what? I actually like Darko as a backup big man. He’s tough, good rebounder, will knock a fool on his butt, get in people’s faces, block shots, dunk, whatever you’d like in a backup.
I’ve said before I’d take him as our backup PF/C. We’d be even huger.
M.
I like him, too
he’s overpaid, but if you look at him as just another rotation player rather than as “#2 pick bust” Darko, he can still be a decent piece on the right team. There are many worse guys out there than Darko.
Plus if you can trade
Blake and Outlaw for Darko/Conley, you basically keep the same cap relief (Blake and Outlaw $7.6 mil expiring in 2010) and turn it into Darko $7.6 mil expring in 2010 and you have Conely. Then you trade Serg and #24 to NY for Blair to replace backup PF in 2010.
Take away Nate's addiction, trade Travis Outlaw.
I want Kirk Hinrich!!!!!
How about Outlaw/Frye/Sergio for Conley/Darko?
None of the contracts we ship out last very long (haven’t checked to see if $$ amounts match up).
I like the idea of keeping Blake around, even though I am a bit scared with the Nate “blankie” effect.
put a body on 'em
If we get Darko with Conley
I want to see Pritchard to continue to trade, swing Darko for Carl Landry.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
landry
is not going anywhere
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Darko
Can give Yao a Deke replacement, big body for practice, better production as his backup center.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i think houston is hanging on to landry
how do you give up a dude that gets shot and only sits out a few weeks
I don't know
but I like him :p
I want to see as much KP magic as possible.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If they do draft Rubio that PG position gets awfully crowded
Right now they have Mike Conley playing the majority of his minutes at PG, with Mayo starting at SG. But they use Mayo a lot like how the Blazers use Roy, specifically they put him in at PG toward the end of a game.
If Memphis does draft Ricky then someone’s minutes are going to go down and out of that group I think going to be Conely. And instead of having a guy you drafted at #4 riding pine, why not trade him for a PF or even another SF that will play. The moment Ricky Rubio’s name gets announced to Memphis, Conley’s value will drop.
"Should I ask? What's a punani?" - by annthefan on May 3, 2009 1:55 PM
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on May 19, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Draft Rubio and then trade Conley for a PF.
Right, starting PF is their #1 need. Unless they like Outlaw in that role, KP has no depth to deal from
Yes, from a BBall standpoint, there will be better trades
But, we’re all undervaluing Trout in this scenario. He’s a solid player at a CHEAP price. We’ve heard so much about saving money, and it just seems like everyone forgot all about those considerations. I think we’re in the best position to offer a combo of talent per dollar.
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He looked much better
on defense, after Hollins trusted him.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Weaknesses: 6’1’’
Nate likes his PGs to be taller (Blake) or stronger (Bayless) than MCJ, so they can fight through P&R screens, etc
I like conley
but I don’t remember any serious CP3 comparisons. I remember a general surprise at his selection. Not shock, for sure, but more that he was taken #4 when he was estimated in the 6-10 range.
Conley could be good, though. I think he’s on balance an exciting option for the Blazers. He can hit the 3 at a good clip (40%), he’s fast, he’s a pass-first guy. But he’s smaller than our guys who already can’t fight through screens, and I think the Oden connection is a negative. The potential problems with one of our players dad’s being the agent for two of our top players seems unnecessarily big.
the sizer thing isnt that big of a downside.
We are one of the tallest teams. We have good size at every position, and point guard on the smaller side wouldnt hurt us, seeing as how pointguards arnt relied upon for rebounding.
by raging WebTed on May 19, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember a few times
watching Memphis streams, he got close to a triple double. Granted against weaker teams, but a triple double is a triple double no matter who it is against, especially at 21.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
"Size"
Chris Paul & Aaron Brooks are 6’0 or under.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember him being expected to go #4 for a long time
Right after Horford, who most said woulda’ been a #1 pick many years.
Some even said he’d challenge for ROY. He got hurt though, so I don’t hold that against him.
Many more expected him to be an instant impact PG, in line (or at least a step below) what CP3 and Deron did for their teams (this is before CP3 became a God at the PG spot). A future allstar.
It could be a combo of Ivaroni not liking him, and injuries… I dunno.
He just didn’t set the league on fire till the end of this last season, and his team’s fans seem okay losing him.
Mortucai
Wins ultimately makes you valuable to your team
He didn’t help them win many games until recently, and given the expectations, the disappointment fizzled their opinions. It’s like when your girlfriend promises to rub your back, and you get all excited, so you sit down, take your shirt off, get the oil out, turn the phone off and ….. wait while she talks to her friend about how annoying their other best friend is….. until you’re about ready to go to sleep and she gets off the phone but makes you wait until she’s done whining about whining and then finally gets around to rubbing your back for five minutes because she’s too tired. It’s kind of like that. It’s still a back rub (good PG), but the point at which it showed up dropped the excitement enjoyment level.
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I feel that Bayless will be just as good
if not better.
and we don’t have to give up anything to get Bayless.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 19, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We might not have to give Bayless up to get Conley Jr...
so that can work. But honestly, Bayless doesn’t fit like Conley does. Conley is the better defender, shooter, passer and its not like with Sergio or Blake where the kid can’t penetrate the lane, because Conley can do that as well.
This could get pretty ridiculous….
PG: Conley / Bayless / Collison?
SG: Roy / Rudy
SF: Batum / Webster
PF: Aldridge / (Banger) / Freeland
C: Oden / Przybilla
Nobody is going to want to play that team this year, let alone in the future.
by as11osu on May 19, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
WOW that is a young team with A LOT of weapons!!!!
That’s a nine deep penetrating scoring machine!!!!
Love that line-up…plus could you imagine the tryouts for starting point between Bayless and Conley?
Conley – “Hey Greg, am I going to have trouble beating out this Bayless kid for PG”
Oden – “probably not, but he might eat off your arm”
by NBA Refs Suck on May 19, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
They could want Bayless
In an effort to package him + their 2nd first round pick + Warrick for a better PF?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I <3 you as11osu
this draft/trade scenario has you and I seeing perfectly eye to eye. I couldn’t agree more. If we can’t pry away Rubio then Mike Conley Jr. is ideal as our PG of the future along with Bayless that’s so much young talent it’s insane. Dynasty looking set up my good man. It would be Blazers vs LBJ’s team for the next 10 years starting as soon as next season but no later then 2010/11.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
My concern is not his ability on the court, my only concern is
Pops Conley is agent to both Jr and Oden, and I can see a scenario that he tries to screw the Blazers into contracts that are not equal to production. Maybe it is because as a diehard Flyer’s fan, the thought of dealing with an agent/father ala Eric Lindros makes me throw up in my mouth….
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on May 20, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
That could also be positive
Could result in Oden & Conley staying here long term to play together.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is afterall what you want anyway...
It’s not your money, its Paul Allen’s. And we’re not going to be seeing room under the salary cap for another 10+ years, so no reason to worry about it from a team building standpoint either. I’ll take Conley Jr and Oden even though they come with Conley Sr. Doesn’t bother me any, and unless you’re a fan of Paul Allen’s bank account it shouldn’t effect you as a Blazer fan either.
I could give a rat's backend about Mr Allen's bank account......
As I stated in my post, it is my unhealthy paranoia about agent/fathers, and if you had to sit and watch your team implode because of one, you would be jumping at shadows too… ;-)
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by philly420pdxhilo on May 20, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
I couldn’t agree more! People VASTLY underestimate how huge Conley in Portland could be to making Greg a happier more relaxed player and also how it would guarantee that Oden would stay in Ptown. I like the Conley idea better by the day.
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The Bhagavad Gita
I'm not convinced he'd help Greg
Sometimes it’s not healthy to give the star everything he wants. Yes, Greg has had a lot of success with Conley, but I get the feeling he’d have a lot of success with me running the point. That doesn’t make me a good point guard.
I also don’t want Greg to think that he can ask for whatever he wants and the team delivers. I know that’s not very likely, he has great character and integrity. It just seems a bit nepotistic.
VOCAB
I think making Greg more comfortable will help
It’s not like either of them is a bad kid, and Oden getting himself more right mentally can only lead to good things.
Absolutely!
If there is even a 5% chance (I believe this is more like 75%) that Conley would lead to a happier more comfortable and confident Oden you pull the trigger on that trade as long as you don’t blow up the core of Oden, Roy, LMA, Batum, Pryzbilla, Rudy. Anyone and everyone else is on the table.
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The Bhagavad Gita
Like it wasn't healthy for Drexler to be reunited with Hakeem?
Oh wait… That brought Houston back to back championships.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
exactly. When we get Conley it will be a dream come true for Oden AND for us!
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Not really that familiar
But I see him as a slightly above average defender who would fit well with Roy,make good pass’s to bigs inside,shoot 40% from 3,what else do you need
by southern oregon on May 19, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions
yeah
of all the potential Blazers, I’m the most conflicted about Conley, and the most interested. The other guy is Sessions, but his outside shooting scares me off.
I’m impressed by some of his statistical improvements, and of his talent. I think in the right situation he could get better. Maybe in a more controlled (AND efficient) offense like the Blazers he’d really thrive.I am concerned about giving up too much, but maybe the Grizz will sell cheap. Also, i do not like the Oden connection when these two young men are trying to find their own way.
The Oden connection has far more positives than it does negatives...
especially after seeing Oden last year. Getting Conley Jr, and Oden’s love for the game back, would probably go hand in hand. Not that he can’t find it without MC Jr, but it’d be easier with. Now just add in the part where Conley Jr is exactly what we need at the point guard position and it should be a bit of a no-brainer.
by as11osu on May 19, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention that we've been begging for someone who can feed the post
and who better than someone who’s been doing that since Junior High?
by Royster on May 19, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know
I don’t get it. This is a slam dunk we have GOT to get Conley!
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
In the Indiana radio station interview yesterday
Oden was really hesitant in saying that basketball was still fun for him. He said the most fun he had was in high school and college. If Conley came over it could end up helping him out mentally which everyone knows with Oden is big.
Please do not feed the B-Rex
by BRoyTheNatural on May 19, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
I’m telling you it would be a catalyst for Oden. It really would I can feel it in my TEETH!
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
as I said in my fanshot
A happy Oden, Is an improving Oden
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolute correct as11osu.
You are reading my mind in this thread I love it. Oden + Conley = delicious DELICIOUS bball dominance I promise. I FREAKING PROMISE!!! :)
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The Bhagavad Gita
Also
He has a low usage rate, no trouble sitting out at the 3 line Blake-style
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
okc should ship #3 and green to LAC for #1
a starting line up of sefolsha, westbrook, durant, bg and kristic is pretty good. clips could build around gordon, green, thornton (bleh) and rubio/thabeet. And put davis, zbo, camby kaman on the block.
for the blazers, ship cash for rubio’s buy-out plus segio, outlaw and our #1 for conley. I would even do bayless, our #1, frye (sign and trade) and cash for conley. Conley shoots 3s well, defends quicks guards, decent passer, great change of pace from blake.
Rubio has to pay his own buyout. Teams can only give 500k towards it.
The bigger question mark around him would be if he says “nah, I’ll stay in Spain for another year or two and fulfill my contract” if he doesn’t like the team he would go to. But economically he should come over soon, so his second and third deal come earlier. It’s a risk, but it could pay of for him.
good point
maybe we ship the money to memphis (3 mil or whatever the limit is) then memphis can figure out to funnel it to rubio, e.g. use it to fund a fed ex international endorsement deal
by bunk moreland on May 19, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
ship cash for rubio’s buy-out
I think Memphis would rather we take a “bad” contract off their hands
Darko, etc
you know we won't
use all those picks…. :-)
HOW do you turn off full screen mode in Firefox? Crap.
Brandon Roy, 'nuff said.
When you touch the top of the screen, an address menu should pop down
If you right-click an empty area, there should be an option to exit full screen.
F11 should work, so that’s weird.
all very unrealistic, but just for fun
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=rd7xub
The Clippers and the Sonics swap the #1 and the #3.
The Blazers send Freeland to Memphis and Koponen to whoever wants him.
Reasons to make this trade:
Clippers – they already have players at the 1 and 4, so decide they don’t want Griffin or Rubio (keep in mind that it’s the Clippers, doing the smart thing and taking BPA doesn’t apply for them). They move down in the draft but get three promising , young, cheap players as well as whoever they pick at #3.
Sonics – they get local boy Griffin at #1 as well as a starting 5. They roll out with: Westbrook, Sefolosha, Durant, Griffin, Kaman. Not too shabby. They pick up Jaric’s contract for the trouble, though they get rid of Collison, who is no longer needed, in the process.
Memphis – they get Outlaw, lose Jaric’s contract, and pick up some front court help in Krstic, as well as a prospect PF in Freeland. I still think that if any team said no, it’d be them. Maybe the Blazers send them a 2010 first rounder.
Blazers – they get Conley for reasons already discussed, and get a backup PF and insurance against an injury to Oden or Prz in Collison. The problem is that this leaves the Blazers with only one SF and still 3 PG (including Bayless). Sign Childress to the MLE? Or maybe Rudy as the backup 3, Bayless the backup 2.
iakers should pull out at home
but i think kobe has lost a step. i think next year will be the last year he is considered a no-brainer 1st team all-nba. and in 3 years, i am pretty sure I would not want him on my team.
by bunk moreland on May 19, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
They had Kareem coaching him also
I watched a old Clippers game on NBA-TV a few months ago, and they talked about how good Kandi-Man would be because Kareem was coaching him. It was funny.
Now THAT is a bust that was easy to see from day one. Uncoordinated, not strong, not athletic, a 7 footer dominating in a weak conference. Man, he was not very good. Looked really really bad in that game. Maggette had corn rows, Miles wasn’t doing anything, Odom was Odom, it was fun to watch the ol’ days.
Morty
I remember the ESPN.com story when they drafted Kandi.
I just laughed and shook my head. I figured… hey, maybe Kandi really does have potential…
…but he won’t find it with the Clippers.
is there a good site with team draft histories?
And I mean ones that show the players the team ended up with on draft day, not the ones that show we drafted tyrus thomas.
Check the SacTown blog
Dude wrote a book
by southern oregon on May 19, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's some fun tonight
Something to cheer everyone up about the Blazers draft history.
Here’s the draft history of the Clippers. Here’s a different one on Wikipedia, so you can look at the player details with one click.
1. Which draft pick was the most successful?
2. Which was the most successful while actually playing for the Clippers?
3. Which one was most derailed by injuries? (There’s an obvious choice, but a few other good ones)
4. Was any of their picks actually a GOOD pick?
5. What was their worst pick?
I’ll go for it:
1. Lamar Odom.
2. Chris Kaman? Benoit Benjamin? I’m not sure.
3. Danny Manning over Shaun Livingston
4. Does not compute.
5. It’s hard to get past the Kandi man.
Rudy Fernandez
Would put Portland as the top contender in terms of trading with Memphis. Rubio/Rudy/Gasol, along with Mayo & Gay is a scary offensive unit.
This is dangerous waters, what I am talking about. So we have to get value in return. If we did send Rudy, some advantages include: Not having to give them Bayless & Not having to give our first round pick.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
Find a way
That allows us to move up for Terrence Williams as our backup SG. Better defender & rebounder then Rudy. I know he talked to Roy quite a bit through his college career & I know Roy will respect him staying for all four years like our boy Roy.
Sending Rudy would give us to chance to make even more trades. Perhaps send Outlaw to Houston for Carl Landry? :p
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
If we did send Rudy, some advantages include: Not having to give them Bayless
While I know there’s a lot of disagreement about this… I don’t see giving up Rudy to keep Bayless as an advantage in any way.
Nothing against Bayless when I say that either.
by Timmay! on May 19, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is my though
Just an option to keep bayless lovers happy
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
You seem to imagine a great swarm of angry Bayless lovers
I think most (like me) just think that the kid has good potential and we aren’t in a hurry to give him away.
Rudy and Batum have to be off the table (and along with Joel), to go with Roy/LMA/Oden for Conley. If KP and Friends think Conley is the PG of the Future, I’m fine with losing Bayless in that situation. I like what Bayless could become, though, and it’s only because I think KP is a very smarty panties type guy that I’m fine with whatever he decides.
Morty
by Mortimer on May 19, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most the swarm has gone back to the hive for the offseason :p
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Start Conley
Bayless off the bench and Blake would need to be traded or waived to prevent the McMillan security blanket effect. If we only win 50 next year but have a young core including a speedy young PG (Conley or Bayless whichever is better) that has grown together for a year we will do MUCH better in the playoffs even if we don’t have home court.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
We wouldn't win less games next year
Almost everyone no the team will get better just from natural progressions. Oden especially.
I agree but trying to throw a bone
to the folks who feel that we have to have Blake backing up Conley when it would be so much better to hedge Conley with Bayless and Collison. One of those guys becomes the real deal I guarantee it.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
My prediction with the
team you outline above:
This could get pretty ridiculous….
PG: Conley / Bayless / Collison?
SG: Roy / Rudy
SF: Batum / Webster
PF: Aldridge / (Banger) / Freeland
C: Oden / Przybilla
is that they would win 60.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
wow
thats a very young team. We thought we were young this year, but that would be getting ride of all but one of our veterans. Roy said he wants to win now.
by raging WebTed on May 20, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
KP
said he wants to let the cake bake and that our team’s window opens in two years. When it comes to personell decisions and long term vs. short term, KP always chooses long term. That team would be so insanely talented they could go to the Finals next year. I’m not saying they will I’m saying with that line up the talent is pouring out of our ears. Blake did us no favors in the playoffs and neither did Outlaw. You have vets in Roy, Rudy (spanish league), and Przybilla.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Oh
and sign McDyess over the summer if you want a vet.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Well, if KP offered LMA
I’m sure he’d move up to the top of the list
(doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen…)
I don't know about
LMA for Rubio. LMA for Rose I was all over but Rubio I’m not as sure of.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
Terrible idea
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 20, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That's
what I’m saying.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
When I got Ben’s tweet, I immediately screamed “I WANT CONLEY!”
He’s a young point guard who had serious growing pains at first, who adjust to the game and averaged 15-6 post all-star break.
Go get him, KP.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
Conley for Bayless+whatever?
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 19, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Memphis has always liked Outlaw, so I’d assume they’d ask for him. It would probably be Bayless + Outlaw for Conley + Jaric or Darko.
The Blazers desperately need a point guard. Conley will be a very good one.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
I dunno WHY Memphis would be after Outlaw
They got Rudy Gay and Warrick to fulfill their tweener inconsistent all-offense no-defense quotient at the forward spots…
But who am I to argue with progress. They clearly need Outlaw and we’ll do the trade, straight up, no questions asked.
Morty
I bet Pritchard will have a deal in place
As soon as they know that the Clips don’t take Rubio.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Done
Clips are taking Griffin per realgm.com
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
they tried to trade Miller for Travis last summer, and Conley for Travis last winter…
The mind of Chris Wallace is an interesting place.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I guess we hope those rumors were true
So the deal is as easy as a guy who may not fit our team, and we pick up some bad contracts.
Makes me wish I watched the Grizz more now, so I can really know how I feel about Conley. All I know are stats stuff from my fantasy team, and what you friendly types tell me heres. And scouting reports, of course.
I’ve always liked Darko as a tough back up, so I wouldn’t even view that as taking on a bad contract.
Morty
yeah, hopefully the rumors have been true… just the “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” kind of situation… he’s been mentioned a lot of times in connection with Memphis.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
A few things
Conley: Physical tools wise, he is not far off of Chris Paul in terms of hand & foot quickness, dribble skills & speed.
Playing with OJ Mayo, he knows what it is like to play next to at least good NBA SG. I see him as a good fit next to Roy. Conley has a low usage rate & with his 3pt skills already further along then anyone expected, he can fill the role Blake does. With potential for much more.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
his usage rate is nearly as low as Blake’s.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Warrick is a FA this summer
And they really can’t be sure that Rudy is going to be on their team beyond next summer (he’s an RFA).
I think Blake (non-guaranteed), Outlaw, Sergio, and a low pick for Conley and Darko gets it done.
having outlaw on their team
would double their attendance off just his family and friends
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember that
empty arena… Except one corner filled with Trav’s family. I got a dollar saying they making some gooooood food.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
if they trade conley
that would probably mean they’re drafting rubio and they wouldn’t really need bayless with mayo there along with rubio. btw
"Our heroes are people and people are flawed. Don't let that taint the thing you love."
-RK Milholland... or the wisest words ever spoken by a Blazer fan.
Although Mayo, like Roy, CAN play PG
doesn’t mean you want him to. With Rubio, Mayo and Bayless you’re set at the PG and SG spots for all 96 minutes. Gay has you pretty set at SF, throw in Outlaw at the 3 for leftover minutes and the rest at the 4 and you’re doing a lot better than you did this year.
Mayo can guard PG's, but I don't think he can be the primary ballhandler
In Mayo’s one year at USC, a few friends and I coined the “Mayo” stat: It’s when a player gets the rebound and no one else touches the ball before it is shot, excluding coast-to-coast dunks/layups.
OJ had at least two in every game.
Bayless
Would be a scoring threat behind Rubio. Would not have to worry one bit about distribution.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He would have to
if he was playing alongside mayo, cuz mayo plays so heavy minutes and rubio prob won’t be ready right away like 90% of Euros somebody would have to be able to pass other than rubio and I doubt bayless is gonna be that guy.
"Our heroes are people and people are flawed. Don't let that taint the thing you love."
-RK Milholland... or the wisest words ever spoken by a Blazer fan.
by Boss_Raptor on May 19, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
So why
Do many people think he will be that guy here?
Mayo can take the ball up the court as much as he wants, Bayless slides over to the 2.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading with Memphis for Mike Conely!
Memphis will pick up Ricky Rubio. Or, Hopefully they will so that Mike Conely becomes an asset for them to leverage…
I say Portland sends Travis Outlaw, Sergio Rodriguez, Steve Blake and Portland’s #24 Pick (and Maybe #55 and #46) to Memphis in exchange for Mike Conely Jr and Darko Milicic’s contract. It works out on RealGM.com Trade Checker, so CBA should jive… Here is what the rosters would look like after the draft and trade….
Memphis:
PG Ricky Rubio®, Sergio Rodriguez
SG OJ Mayo, Steve Blake
SF Rudy Gay, Damion James®
PF Travis Outlaw, Hakeem Warrick, Darrell Arthur
FC Marc Gasol, Hamed Haddaii, BJ Mullens®
Portland:
PG Mike Conely Jr, Jerryd Bayless
SG Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez
SF Nic Batum, Martell Webster
PF LaMarcus Aldridge, Antonio McDyess
FC Greg Oden, Joel Pryzbilla
by Portland Dynasty on May 19, 2009 10:04 PM PDT reply actions
they might want bayless instead of blake.
or maybe even webster. they prolly want a SG, not blake. heck, they might even want blake instead of sergio. they need a veteran hand on that team.
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
by prezofdeath on May 19, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I just can't see Memphis drafting a PG...
…then trading their other PG for two more PG’s.
I don’t expect them to want both Blake and Sergio. At least with Bayless and Sergio, they’d have someone else who could conceivably play the 2 in time.
More likely though, they’d want Outlaw, one of the PG’s, and something else. Not sure what else we’d give up.
Possibly just $3M + taking on a bad contract would be enough. Memphis isn’t purely about winning.
I bet we have to take Jaric’s contract.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t care. There are very few times that a young talented point guard is available for peanuts. He’s had his two tough years that most point guards experience.
We have an opportunity. A very big opportunity.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I was freaking out
When Memphis got #2. Very excited about the draft now
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I want Conley.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You and me both buddy.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/18/879363/a-happy-oden-is-an-improving-oden
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake
He can guide the team until Rubio is ready.
Bayless provides a nice scoring threat for them behind Rubio(Rubio/Bayless at the 1) who could use the competition of someone like Bayless pushing him.
Memphis Gets:
Blake
Bayless
3Million$ Trade Exception
???
Portland Gets:
Conley
(Cap Relief? Milicic/Jaric)
Boom, we immediately call Houston. Send then Milicic to backup Yao(Needs a big body to go up against in practice?) & Outlaw for Carl Landry.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I've talked to a lot of Rockets fans since the playoffs
I’m in a GM league on a different board, and let me tell you, Outlaw got noticed in the playoffs. He sure did. And the Rockets more than anyone now know to stay away.
I still like Leon Powe. Especially if he comes at an injury discount price. He doesn’t rely to heavily on his athleticism. With him and Przybilla on that second unit we’d have one of the best offensive and one of the best defensive rebounders on the court at the same time. With our second unit being filled with 3 point specialists I’m all for having a great offensive rebounder at that spot. After Blair and a couple others Powe is certainly in the top 10, if not the top 5.
I think
If we take Milicic from Memphis, They will want him. To replace Deke at the least a huge man that can provide some physical competition for Yao.
Might have to also throw in Webster or some 2nd rounders?
I have a man crush on Landry tbh. He is my ideal PF behind LA & perfect compliment to Przy on the 2nd unit.
Conley/???
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Outlaw or Webster
Aldridge/Landry
Oden/Przybilla
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Its pretty clear that KP should NOT try to negotiate with them, just hand them the roster and
say “pick a few”. Conley is the second coming. Trout, Bayless, picks, bad contracts, of course bring it on. No bargaining going on over here, boss.
you don't negotiate with terrorists
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 19, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am all the way behind that...
Throw in Freeland as the emergency option at both the 4 and 5 and add Collison with that 32nd pick we’d still own, and I think that’s an NBA Finals squad the year after next. Then just let it grow.
you called it in the thread… 8% chance.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This was the only single scenario where we'd benefit either way...
So long as Memphis plays this logically we’re the team that gets Conley Jr. Conley Jr would be of more value to us than to any other team in the league and we have more to give up for him than any other team in the league. I was mad KP didn’t make this move before the trade deadline… pissed actually. But it looks as though he got a reprieve. Time to make it happen.
Exactly.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno. It seems like nothing rational ever happens with Chris Wallace involved.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
A conversation I had today with a Grizz fan.
I said, If they trade Conley it may piss off Hollins, If they trade Rubio it will piss off Gasol.
He said, Chris Wallace is in love with Rubio & will not hesitate to draft him if he falls. Saying they did a favor to Hollins promoting him but not agreeing with the front office may lead to him being fired.
If he does & we land Conley. ASSISTANT COACH so Nate does not neuter him + he was the 77 blazers PG, like Mo Luke
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You're throwing way too much at them
Why can’t we start low? Did everyone forget that last year’s draft also loosened a fantastic PG and there are a few on the market now? Seriously, this is our market, not theirs. We gotta stop throwing the whole team at them.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Obviously you start low...
but I think most of us are talking about the extent of what we’d give up for him, not what we’d like to give up for him (nothing).
In my opinion you keep our nucleus of 6 (Roy, LMA, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Przybilla) and you offer them a 3-4 player/pick package while taking back a bad contract. So long as you come out of the deal 2 deep at every position (backup PF will come via draft or FA) you’re set.
Conley >>>>>Hinrich
and it ain’t even close. I wish I could draw a line sloping downward to show the Hinrich career arc and an upward arc showing the trajectory of MCjr.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
meaning
that Hinrich’s best days are behind him. Conley’s are ahead of him.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
I think Hinrich's a great fit
He gives us 3-4 years of excellent play, meanwhile we can keep Bayless as his backup, and hope he develops into a capable NBA point by the time Hinrich is no longer a starting caliber PG. If Bayless beats Hinrich out during that time, fine.
I think Conley clearly has more to offer in the rest of his career than Hinrich, but I still like the idea of getting Kirk on the Blazers.
It would be an inferior move.
Conley Jr is at Hinrich’s level right now and is getting better. Remember when we tried to get Harris? That’s where Conley Jr is in his development right now. He’s ready to go off. He’d be a perfect fit on this team in every regard. He also fits our window. We don’t have to wish and hope and prey that at some point Bayless gets it. If it happens great, but having MC Jr already playing our future wouldn’t rely on that possibility.
its all about the relative costs, which neither you and I can know for sure
I would give up more for Conley than I would for Hinrich though.
I can’t believe how well this worked out for Portland. I like Conley quite a bit.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
I mean, we’d finally have our lineup.
Conley
Roy
Batum
Aldridge
Oden
All under 25. That’s a long window of contention.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It depends on how Roy’s knee holds up… but yeah, ten years potentially.
I feel like it won’t happen, though. Wallace will screw this up somehow.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
the ultimate wild card
The thing about Wallace is that from day one I’ve heard that he’s in love with Rubio. It seems he’s going to have a shot to get him, which will require Conley Jr moving. It also probably will require someone like Steve Blake to help them make the transition. We have that part they’ll need. They’ve always liked Outlaw, we’ve got that part as well. After that it’ll just be a matter of whetting their lips a bit. Offing bad contracts, giving them picks, possibly one final puzzle piece.
I’m sure KP will have his ear. The funny part at this point is that signing Miles might end up coming back to haunt him. Imagine all that extra space we’d have to take all their bad contracts if they hadn’t made that signing. We could have taken Jaric, Milicic and Buckner off their hands. Anyways… too much sense. KP is able to talk GM’s into making moves that make no sense happen, imagine when he has logic behind him in addition to that silver tongue of his.
I’d love it happen… but there is a lot that will take place between now and the draft.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
This is hardly a sure thing, and I’d be shocked if Memphis does anything with him or the pick until draft night.
Plus, it’s likely that their initial asking price could be more than has been proposed here by any of us.
They offered Conley for Travis not too long ago. Eating Jaric’s contract is big.
Memphis won’t move him until draft night. Trades rarely, rarely happen before draft day.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
completely different situation
they had Lowry back then, and Conley had yet to play like he did over the second half of last season. Plus, they’ll have other suitors now after Conley’s stretch of play. Given Ford’s insistence that they’re looking for a defensive big, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they opened negotiations by asking for Przybila.
I still think my initial proposal at the top of the thread of Trout, Blake, Bayless/Sergio + 24 for Conley, Darko, and Jaric has a good chance of happening, but it wouldn’t shock me if Memphis were to insist on Joel.
His value certainly increased
Your trade idea is not bad at all either.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone loves a good Ugh post.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
rec'd
smartest thing i’ve heard you say. ever.
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
by prezofdeath on May 19, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's true
Clippers will destroy another promising career, Grizzlies with the second pick is going to make all the Rubio fan boys ruin my summer, and I hate the Thunder. I wanted the Thunder to lose their pick.
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by tominhawaii on May 19, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me get you off to an early start on that.....
RUBIO!!!!! RUBIO!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! RUBIO TO PORTLAND!!!!! WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Don’t worry, I’ll make sure to make it much more annoying as we get closer to the draft.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
It's Cool
I don’t mind the FanPosts to get him. It’s the FanPost about Joel that will turn into, “Would you trade Joel for Rubio.” I’m already cheesed thinking about all the threads that will be ruined by Rubio.
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Would HAVE drafted him, past tense?
Hibbert is a Pacer and fouling everyone like he was a #1 pick in the 2007 draft.
by Mortimer on May 20, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd fr fr
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 19, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We need to trade for Baron Davis.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
starbury or bust.
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
by Tofu Anonymous on May 19, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
i'll give you the keys to bdizzle if you want to write it ;-p
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
by prezofdeath on May 20, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
THAT'S A GREAT IDEA
MR MIKE DUNLEAVY, YOU’VE BEEN OUTED.
by kobisportsguy on May 20, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions
so who is calling who. I see KP waiting by his phone with his finger tips pressed together and a smug smile. and in his head he is saying come into my parlor quote the spider to the flies.
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
Hollins in NJ for the Lottery
Means they needed to get him away from the phones back in Memphis where KP was inquiring about Conley :D
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The Crystal Ball
1. The Clippers pick Blake Griffin.
Unfortunately, since he’s not terrible it means he gets injured, breaking something major or blowing out his knee within 3 years. Sorry Blake, it’s a Clippers thing.
2. Memphis picks Rubio, but trades him to someone else.
Mostly because his contract situation is sticky and remains so through draft day. The someone else is not us, Wallace didn’t care for us before the letter, and that didn’t help.
3. We try to move up in the draft to get a viable long-term point guard.
Sergio and Frye (S&T) are available, Outlaw maybe, Blake not. I think if we’re able to swing something it’s with an eastern conference team. No one in the west wants to help us, even if it would mean helping themselves.
While it’d be nice to land Conley for our loose change, I’d put the odds at 20:1 against.
by baduk on May 19, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Does Rubio need to be bought out?
and for how much? Memphis is pretty cheap
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 19, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
NBA teams can only pay 500K of it
His buyout is pretty substantial, and Rubio has to pay it himself. I think I even read its in the 7 million dollar range.
M.
I think he is more likely
To pay his buy out if it means him playing with Gasol. Then it is with any other team, except NY maybe trading up.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see how he even has that much money
He may do a staggered buy out, or where his former team gets a portion of his NBA salary for a while.
I don’t think he has made that much yet, being a 13 year old or however old he is.
Mort
What is the guaranteed salary for a #1 pick?
I heard Rubio wants a federal bailout for his buyout.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
sure, I have the failing bank start up forms right here
He’ll just need to see me in a Blazers uni.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
there is a big dispute, because he’s only making 80K a year. They will appeal the government and try to claim that a 7 million buyout is excessive for an 80K per year job… rumor is Joventut may just decrease the buyout to avoid the bad publicity.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, I hadn't read that
I really haven’t been following the draft this year, I feel like a naive fool!
That’s awesome.
And it seems fair to me; I mean he’s worth that much to the team of course, but they aren’t PAYING him that much so it isn’t fair to set the buy out so high.
Morty
plus, even if the buyout isn’t reduced, there will be a shady agent or long-term loan available to ease the burden.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
or playing with Rudy;)
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
whoops
didn’t see this.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
what about playing with
Rudy in Portland?
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
teams can only contribute 500K to the buyout.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
No no no
The team he gets drafted by can only contribute around 800k if I remember, which is nigh chicken scratch even for a cheap team like them. The prospect of Rubio/Gasol will be too enticing in my opinion.
The buyout has to be mostly his cash
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
They did not have a problem
Waiting for Marc Gasol. The GM has let it be known publicly that he will snatch Rubio if he drops.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
they didn't wait for him
the l*kers drafted him the year before they kept his rights for a season then traded them last year to the grizzles and gasol came over this year so really the l*kers were the ones waiting but never got him
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
If we got what Memphis wants and they got what we want
I really don’t think “the letter” will come into play. If we really want what they got we’ll look past it, and vice versa.
It’s ancient history, man.
Mortimer
I agree
plus they signed Darius AFTER the letter. So they already got their revenge in spades.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
7 million from what I have read
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
The Kings weren't very smart to send the man who's #4 jersey is in the rafters
Of course they were going to get the #4 pick.
Crazy
Wife of the Clippers guy sowed him a #1 jersey into his jacket?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
she did that as a joke while filing her divorce papers
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
of course we sent a #6 pick
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 19, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
but he was mister clutch of corse he came away with it
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
Well he definitely travels
not LeBron, Kobe or Dwade bad but pretty bad. Superstar calls…
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
the correct answer is: but he should have been #1
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 19, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Question: Why would Memphis want Travis? or is it they are willing to dump bad contracts in exchange for MC Jr.?
if I was Memphis…i keep both Rubio and Conley Jr..since they sent Lowry away…
i need to go watch a few Grizzly games during work
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
They desperately need frontcourt depth. Miles was playing for them last year…
They seem to like Travis. He was mentioned in talks involving Mike Miller and Conley.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Outlaw
Always plays well when his family was watching & he was close to home. He attracts quite a crowd :)
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Was Darrell Arthur injured most of the season? Seem like he was their choice as a PF to groom while Warrick was a stop gap
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
That's my wonderment as well
WHY do they supposedly want Outlaw, when they got Warrick and Gay, both very Outlaw-esque for better or worse?
I mean, if they really crave to get their team-holes filled with some Trout, that’s cool with me, we’ll take a young PG and some bad deals (Jaric, keep your too-close-together-eyes over there please), and call it a day.
We’ll even wipe our hands clean, like we did some actual work.
Hey, if they want three inefficient scorers who don’t play defense, MORE POWER TO ’EM!
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
the reason i like Gay...even after all the drubbings..is that he runs the break about better than any other SF i've seen....
Trout is athletic but he doesn’t have horizontal athleticism…know what i mean? Gay can become a great defender…i just can’t see that in Trout…
PLUS, Gay is a beauty in the fast lane…IF we ever choose to run that way
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
Gay is very athletic and CAPABLE of being a lot of things
But, thus far, he has shown no effort for defense (yeah, he could learn it, but he doesn’t even seem to try), takes too many bad shots and doesn’t fully utilize his athleticism, and generally gives poor effort for a leader of a team.
Trout has bad lateral quickness, which hurts him on defense, I agree. Gay is DEFINITELY a better player than Trout, but he isn’t worth what it would take to get him and he is overrated by a lot of fans who think he’s on the verge of being a star.
Gay seems like a guy who was gifted all the tools to be an awesome player, but never put it together because of effort.
Mortimer
Let Monty Williams kick his butt for a few weeks
and see if his attitude changes. – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
it makes no sense for Memphis to want Travis, but its Chris Wallace. Like Cab just said, what they really need is frontcourt help.
With Rubio, Conley and Mayo it would be a minute crunch, even though Mayo is really more of a 2 guard.
Maybe even Frye could help them.
The snake is in the building
With Prez, Cablinasian & Mort? Got a regular Hall of fame class here huh?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Mayo did say he wanted to play PG all year...already a diva
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Eggs, act, lee.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
But you know… They got some cap room. A lot of cap room if you make certain moves…
Think they could be in the running for artest?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
What can they spend their wad on?
Powe? Boozer?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
who would have a better career...Boozer or Griffin?
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
my money say’s milsap has a better year then both of them
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
i think they will keep Milsap and hope Booze opts out
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
me to milsap is younger and cheaper
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
Griffin's a much better athlete
I’m not sure he’ll ever be the polished scorer Booz is. I’ll go with Griffin though.
Booze is a gold medalist (bench warmer) but still gold medalist
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
so was christian Laettner
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
laettner > hansborough...
hahaha incoming fire!!!
Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
duck and cover then stop drop and roll.
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
Anyone see Hansborough
Looking like Laettner(After his 6 good seasons?)
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ehhhh
Tough to compare. I mean Boozer was a 2nd round pick, Griffin is top 3.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
i think they will have almost identical careers
but my money is on boozer only because he doesn’t play for the clippers
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
At one time Chris Wallace likened or at least tried to liken his team to the Suns
that’s why they went after Conley Jr in the first place. A fast guy that makes great decisions on his feet. They probably envisioned Outlaw as the PF who could shoot the 3 ball Marion style, and be a havoc on offense, as he has been versus opposing 4’s.
I’m not sure based on what I’ve seen from the team as a whole that even realize that defense plays a role in who wins and who loses. Gay is one of the worst defenders in the league, and he shouldn’t be. Mayo was a great defender before getting there, and he doesn’t seem to play much D anymore either.
Anyways, Rubio is even more quintessential to that style of game, which is why Wallace loves him so much. If he still likes Outlaw which is still likely, and he sees something in Webster or Blake or Bayless, this thing can happen.
thanks...good read.
i would want us to keep Webster…we gave Trout 6 years…Webster deserves a couple more
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Well put.
Outlaw
Blake
Bayless
1st Round Pick
Trade Exception(3 Mil$)
for
Conley?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Way too much
i think your giving way too much on that deal. Conley is good but not that good. I like the deal if it were a second round pick and Outlaw and Blake. Too early to trade Bayless unless we are getting something great in return
by quezadaz on May 19, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Conley Jr is that something great
a franchise point guard. I doubt we’d have to give them that much. It’s possible they’d like Channing Frye. The way I see it, they’ll be picking from these options.
Jerryd Bayless
Travis Outlaw
Steve Blake
Martell Webster
Sergio Rodriguez
Channing Frye
#24, #32, #38, #55, #56
7 Million in Cap Space
They can pick 3-5 things depending on value. The way I see it, getting Conley Jr without giving up one of your 6 best players is money in the bank. As long as we have enough parts left to finish out our PF backup spot, we should be A okay.
what make's him a franchise point guard?
he has the ball in his hands constantly and put’s very mediocre stats. Last time he played us he went like 0 – 11.
He has steadily improved but he pretty much started at the bottom in a bad coaching situation.
by Peteyhasnohead on May 19, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
"Constantly"
He has a low usage rate & a high 3pt%. Fits well next to Roy.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you know who you're talking about
Conley Jr didn’t constantly have the ball in his hands. Mayo took control of the ball early and often. Also, Conley Jr played pretty decently versus us this year. His splits versus us were 12 points per game with 6 assists and 4 rebounds on average. He shot 45% from the floor against us and 55% from 3.
I agree with Q
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 20, 2009 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions
true...Mayo was a great defender or was it Floyd's system?
but he was very good perimeter defender…maybe the Grizz were always down 15 by the first quarter they tried to shoot themselves back in…
don’t know…the only way I see us getting Conley is through some salary dumping by Memphis and of course, more bad decisions
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I have heard enoug about this "system" talk
Can we get a system where every blazer plays good defense, please ?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
hate the player not the system...hahaha
Tim Floyd is a great!!! Any coach that can bribe players with cold hard cash has a great “system” to back him up
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Yea
Seems like all USC athletics have a nice “system” to support them in acquiring top recruits.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
With the recent crop of Pro's
They are more “pro” in college then once they arrive in their respective pro leagues.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
and how much luck of clutch has webber been any way
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
sorry was ment to be a responce to jksnakes post
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
Still don't understand Orlando trading Webber away.
A Webbter O’Neal frontcourt would’ve been so incredibly dominant. Anyway… back to the here and now.
Ouch.
The Clippers ended up tied with the Wizards for the second worst record in NBA last season, which required a coin flip to decide which team would get one extra ball in the hopper during the lottery. The Wiz won the flip, resulting in Washington having 178 chances out of a 1000 to win the lottery. By losing the coin flip, the Clips have 177 chances out of 1000 to win the lottery.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
Ouch
Flip Saunders looked like he wanted to quit right then & there.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
i get it
flip as in a coin flip decided it
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
and that 1 extra balll cost them 4 spots
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
And my buddy thought losing a ball would hurt his chances
The NBA tells me otherwise.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it only takes one my friend
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
THATS WHAT I SAID
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
it was the Karma of the natural
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
yup… Canis Hoopus brings it up quite often.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
ya I went over there and lurked the couple of days and seen it come up
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
I'll tell you what
This Kessler is making me warm.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:16 PM PDT reply actions
Conley played in all 82 this year.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
Add that to the positives :p
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends who Memphis wants I guess.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine so. Not much room left for Jerryd, unless we traded Blake.
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by Cablinasian on May 19, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
What if they want Blake & Bayless?
We can off sergio to some team for a 2nd round pick hopefully.
What to do with the #2 PG spot? Do we need one behind him if we have Roy?
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
We could drat one
I think that we could draft a backup in the second round. Toney Douglas would be good i think. Get a lock down defender. I think we should go for Earl Clark or Terrence Williams in the first round. I think Dejuan Blair will be gone by then . He keeps moving up the draft boards. I saw one a few mins ago that had him 10th
Toney Douglas
Or Jerel McNeal from Marquette.
I agree about Blair.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't watch Denver much
but I heard he was good one defense… so good fit.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind shawn livingston either
have always loved this guy, alot of heart, great ball handler and he is a 6’7" point guard is pretty awesome.
Same
Would give Conley good practice competition as well. Didn’t look so bad for the thunder either.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
old point guards that are looking for a check and one last shot are a dime a dozen
look at what ole Anthony Johnson when his number was called in game 3
collison
if he falls to the second or buy a pick and get him, he’s ready to play now and is a good defender that is used to a two pg system(westbrook and holiday last 2 seasons)
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 19, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Collison is the guy you'd have to take at #24
No way does he fall past all those playoff teams looking for contributors right away picking 25-30. I think scoring Collison at #24 is pretty money. The point guard position is stacked this year. Should help keep Conley Jr’s price down for us because everyone should be able to get one in the draft, meaning we get the exact one we want at a price we can afford.
Jrue Holiday good too
If he slips to 24 i think h is a good choice. he is a bigger point guard who is an excelent defender too
If we get Conley
I am 100% NOT in favor of a rookie or inexperienced backup.
If Conley is so great and the franchise PG, he can beat out Blake fair and square. I’d rather have a Blake type over someone new.
M.
Some vet who plays great D then.
For competition in practice. Ideas?
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would try to keep Blake
As a playoff team who expects to make the 2nd round and beyond, we need a solid, dependable, veteran presence to give us something we can expect night in and night out at the PG spot.
I’d rather have Blakey as the backup, if Conley can beat him out.
Finding a good backup vet PG who isn’t a journeyman for a reason is kinda tough, but they exist. None pop into my head that is as good as Blake, though.
Morty
Are you talking about the Anthony Johnson variety?
Because I’d be all for someone like him coming aboard. I also think a guy like Darren Collison would be fine. Although he would be a rookie, he’s an excellent big game defender that can shoot from distance, plays smart and is happy not being the focal point of a team. I think he’s pretty much a quicker version of Anthony Johnson actually. the key is someone that plays really good defense, not necessarily a vet IMO.
I just don't trust any rookie, really
On the defensive end, at least.
There is too much to learn, and we got so many young players still developing, I am much more in favor of a Blake type over a guy who may become better than Blake in 3 years as the backup.
I don’t think we can afford a rookie PG to back up Conley, when Conley himself is still going to be learning the league and how to be a PG. Anthony Johnson is fine too, but I’d rather have Blake.
I don’t think a deal with Memphis would hinge on Blake, since he would hardly play for them and while they “need” vet guidance, they need to develop their youth more and they won’t be worrying about winning. A team like us is different, and will play Blake over development.
And if Conley is as good as most think, he will beat out Blake. Nate doesn’t play favorites like that, he usually starts the right guy OR who we need to develop. Oden over Joel, is one example, and so is how quickly he made Blake the starter over Jack, who most felt like was a personal favorite of Nate.
Mortimer
Blake tries hard on D
but his competition in practice was probably easy for Bayless, yet Sarge kept playing Blake? On court decisions had something to do with that probably.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Blake knows WHAT to do on defense
He just isn’t capable of it all, athletically. He’s not a bad defender though.
Just very prone to be abused by very quick PGs. As a backup, this isn’t a problem, and his veteran guile will give any young buck trouble in practice.
M.
nice post again
making me like the idea more and more. But if Memphis wants him as their starter in front of Rubio until he is ready I would not flinch. Then have KP do some scouting on FA savvy vet PG defenders.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I would be confused if they did start Blake over develop Rubio
Though who knows…
But, I would imagine that development is priority #1, and not winning, for a team like Memphis, and I would agree with doing that. I’d expect them to just play Rubio, Gay, Mayo, Gasol as many minutes as they can and not expect much wins but a lot of experience gained.
Blake is a guy that playoff teams want, but probably not a developing, young team. They would take him if they had to, but I wouldn’t think they’d seek him out.
Blake means a lot more to a team like us, than to a team like Memphis, even if he made their team better… being actually better isn’t what they want, unless it comes from their core. A few more wins at this stage just costs them ping pong balls next lottery.
Mortimer
Just thought
They could rely on him to show Rubio the ropes of the NBA, rather then Mayo showing him how to NOT pass. But you make valid points
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
If we had Rubio
And Rubio wasn’t ready, we WOULD start Blake, since we want to win right away.
For Memphis, they would just play Rubio.
(I felt like I wrote it unclearly above).
.
my problem with blake is he disapears when we needed him to shoot
not just miss shots, i don’t mind that as much as when you flat out don’t take them. To be fair, who can keep up with Brooks, this side of Rondo
Blake had a very poor playoff series, I agree
I half expected Outlaw to struggle, but I didn’t expect Blake to. It sucks that he did, but he still had a good season and would be a very dependable and solid backup. He’d be a true luxury as a backup, just like Joel.
His sense of when to shoot had improved this year, I thought. He wouldn’t take shots he should take a LOT the previous season, like you point out.
Mort
How about this
Conley/Blake/Project who will take over #2 after Blake, who is good at defending PG’s?
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
conley can, blake is alright
It’s a little unfair to say can’t keep up any point because brooks made Steve Blake look like slowmo. I have seen brooks make every pg he has faced look like a jv player since his freshman year at Oregon
Brooks was atrocious early on at UO
In fact, it was basically just his Senior year that he did anything substantial.
he was always faster then anyone else
he had a good pac 10 tourny his junior year, until that elbow. But you are right, his senior year is when he got his clutch status
I would hope Conley can become our guy who can defend PGs
You can count on Blake not to make out n’ out defensive mistakes, like Bayless or Sergio would, because of their inexperience, and any young project PG would make a load of mistakes and we wouldn’t have the patience to develop him.
Blake will be 30, but he’ll have more than a few years left in him as a backup, barring injury. He won’t need to be an elite defender if Conley can defend PGs. He just has to be able to take care of the ball, hit open shots, get us in our offense… all that he does now— but in less minutes and against the 2nd unit.
After Blake, I imagine we’ll just get another veteran PG, over developing another young one. If Conley is the franchise PG, I mean. We’ll likely always have a solid, veteran, DEPENDABLE backup PG.
Anthony Johnsons and Steve Blakes, not Taurean Greens and Sergios. Guys who play the same game every night, even if a great game from Sergio can be better every once in a while.
Mortimer
Conley
I don’t think Chris Paul or Tony Parker defensively is far fetched after playing with Roy, Batum, Aldridge & Oden for a few years.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Side Note
I was reading an article about Billups and everything said about Bayless was said about Billups his early years. Not saying bayless is next big shot, but there are some similarities.
OT on Bayless
I think he probably has a great future, but one thing that scares me about him from an “investment” perspective is short arms and small hands.
My analogy would be Daunte Culpepper playing QB for the Vikings. The guy was great but he had no handle because he had small hands even though he was 6-5 or whatever and 265 lbs. He fumbled all the time.
When I’ve watched Bayless’ ball handling it has frequently looked a little shaky and I attribute it to this. Hopefully he’ll be Chancey Rex though – for Portland.
put a body on 'em
as in
yoga fire and yoga FLLAAAAAAAMMMEE!
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
I like Ganesh's sense of smell
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
Yeah, he was bad in the playoff
But his sense of when to shoot was loads better during the regular season.
How bad he was in the playoffs still stings, since his type of player ain’t ’sposed to do that!
Mmmmmortimer
agreed he looked better this season
but if you can’t run, pass, or dribble and are only 6’3", i hope to god you can make an open shot if you are in the nba
If Blake is your backup
I’d still want a Darren Collison type defender sitting there at #3 on the depth chart.
You don’t want Blake getting abused in there by (if it were the Rockets again) Lowry, or whomever else’s point guard you throw in there (Farmar etc). Most teams have legit and quick backup point guards. Give me Collison as a just in case option, because I have just as much trouble watching Blake in there getting destroyed as I would watching an occasional bonehead play by a rook.
I'd always be fine with a 3rd string project
I just don’t imagine they’d play much, and if Blake is being destroyed by a quick backup PG, the damage will be minimized greatly as long as Conley is a good defender.
Most backup PGs aren’t very good, and Blake would rate pretty highly. His problems with quick PGs would be greatly reduced if Conley is playing most of the minutes against them, and Blake’s other plusses would usually negate the problem with quickness.
We didn’t lose many games because of it, and I don’t expect many 2nd unit PGs to beat us either.
I am totally fine with a Collison type, someone who can become a great defender off the bench.
Mortimer
Just to sit & learn behind Conley/Blake
Then when Blake leaves, take over as #2.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
While it's anecdotal...
…I remember Steve’s playoff performance in Denver as being similar to this year with Portland.
At one point this year, M&M mentioned that Steve asked to no longer shoot technical FT’s. Brandon and Rudy took the task over. (It was hinted the Orlando game left him shaken)
That’s disconcerting. Usually, you don’t want a player who asks not to take shots. At least not as a starter or a clutch player.
But at least it showed he knew his limitations.
That Clippers game
is what hurt him mentally imo
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
That Clippers game hurt me mentally.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Same :|
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Was it the Clippers game he missed the FT's?
If so, my bad, I meant that game then. I was on vacation and missed the week that both those games were played.
We are quite far to the right of the page
Huh
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed 5 games this season due to vacation:
Fri 05 @ Boston L 78-93
Sun 07 @ Toronto W 98-97
Tue 09 vs Orlando L 108-109
Thu 11 @ Utah L 88-97
Fri 12 vs LA Clippers L 112-120
It’s in everyone’s best interest that I never miss games, and apparently never go on vacation during the season.
I remember him being okay with Denver in the playoffs
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_blake/career_stats.html
He shot well at least, and I remember positive stuff from his play. And I was never even a real Blake fan until this season.
It does seem he gets psyched out more than you want your starting veteran PG to get psyched out…
I’m fine with Roy and Rudy taking the techs :) Though it seemed like Rudy missed ’em all as well. WHAT JOKES.
.mm.
He shot well at least, and I remember positive stuff from his play. And I was never even a real Blake fan until this season.
I watched part of that series just to see Steve, and he seemed to keep making mistakes in the 4th quarter.
All anecdotal though. As shown above, my memory can no longer be trusted due to my vacation time.
Honestly, I just remember him as being a decent role player that series
Which was an improvement over what he had been all season prior to the trade to Denver, when he was riding the bench in Milwaukee. Providing help at all and becoming the starting PG was a bit of a surprise.
He was awful and made me quite angry in this years playoffs. For a NCAA Champion PG who has had to prove himself every place hes been and fight for playoff time, he seems to get psyched out way too easy.
Morty, Mind Reader
My only problem
Blakes defense against Conley won’t give him much of a challenge. They are tough to find though, vet PG’s who are good at D.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
try to keep Blake if we go for Conley. Hopefully they like Sergio and Hollins knows Spanish.
put a body on 'em
Why not Blake + Sergio + Outlaw + Freeland
for Conley and Jaric? we could also do cash and pick swaps to make it more fair for either side.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
oh well
memphis stays the team where players are devolved and then move on. Lionell owes us one after that miles incident. Just a matter of time before boston makes a move to get rudy gay
Lol
Memphis should just hire the Spanish National Team Coach as HC. We get Hollins as an assistant who will prevent Sarge from neutering Conley.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 19, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If he didn't get hurt it means he didn't give his all
We want guys willing to hurt their bodies to win, not squeal at the thought of physical play just to last through 82 games.
PLAYING ALL 82 IS A SIGN OF A WUSS.
Mortimer, Internet Tough Guy.
Garnett is going to have surgery
Where will they go with their PF situation?
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:03 AM PDT reply actions
From ESPN
Backup Leon Powe, who is a free agent, has already had surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament and meniscus; he will need nine months to a year to recover. But Garnett’s surgery and recovery will be finished in time for the 2009-10 opener, Rivers said, so there was no harm in waiting — just in case.
“It’s no rush,” Rivers said. “His surgery is not going to be anything that’s going to take all summer.”
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
he still can't be stopped in the NBA
he just has a nose for the ball inside, and he can finish as well as anyone under the basket and back to the key.
That's where the savings comes into play
if you’re not willing to take that gamble, you don’t get the positive results. I wouldn’t bet against Powe, that’s for sure.
LeBron
I think learned a lot from KG, in the finals, watching him from his couch. How to verbally inspire helped him a lot.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't watched Conley much....
but didn’t he suck in a slow system that they used early in the year? Is he going to fit in with nate and brandon and our offense?
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
I think that was under Iavaroni and when they still had Lowry
Plus he was hurt or on the bench a lot of his first year. He didn’t get much on-the-floor experience until they traded Lowry midseason to Houston.
put a body on 'em
he did great his rookie year but for some reason his coach benched him at the start this year and it got in his head
when hollins got to town, he got his head on straight
In his head
That is why I don’t like Blake staying on this team. What benching him could do to his physique like what happened to Sergio.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
“Sy-key” spelling is an issue at this time.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Goodness, I would hope Conley is a bit better than Sergio
Sergio would not get major minutes for any team in the league… if we expect Conley to be a franchise PG, he can beat out a solid vet.
Blake would be a Joel-esque, best-back-up-at-his-position type player.
What happened to Sergio, is that he isn’t very good at basketball, or at being a PG. He is good at passing. Conley is more than that.
Mort
That is a good comparison
I would be fine with Blake as the backup as well.
I expect Sergio to go back to Spain once his contract is up.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea
KP should be able to get someone to buy into his freakish A/T ratio.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought his shot was vastly improved this year
or at least that is what I was told. For the first quarter of the season it did look better but the rest of his game looked the same for the whole season.
put a body on 'em
Whatever he did
He didn’t win much and he seemed to alienate his players. They had a lot of PGs to choose from (or try) too.
put a body on 'em
Called him a Ferrari
Never drove it past 55mph.
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by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Memphis was 19th in pace this year after being 7th last year (they slowed down by about 5 possessions/game)
not sure what caused that.
Do the stats sites show
Their pace earlier this season, before Ivaroni got fireded?
Maybe Hollins slowed it all down once he was hired.
M
I remember them playing fast and sloppy under Iavaroni
If they fell to 17th in pace, Hollins had to have slowed it down.
It is surprising they played so slow though, with a team that young and the athletes they got. Who they think they are, the Blazers?!?!
they had to get used to playing with "The Tank"
aka Marcy-Marc Gasol. How fast can a tank go?
put a body on 'em
I bet a possession only counts as a possession of all 5 players make it all the way and back down court
Marc Gasol only crossed halfcourt 6 times a game, giving the Grizzlettes 6 possessions a game, making them 29th in pace, just one possession faster than our 5 possessions a game.
an "AHA" moment!
Thanks Morty.
So was that Blake or Brandon sinking our possession rate?
put a body on 'em
I dunno
Gay a little more athletic than LMA, but LMA is purty athletic in his way.
Roy is more athletic than Mayo.
Joel is pretty athletic for a 7+ white stiff, and so is Gasol, but I’d give the edge to Joel as far as mobility and leaping goes.
Outlaw and Warrick are pretty even.
Conley and Lowry beat Blake, obviously.
Batum, Bayless, very athletic.
I’d say for how athletic we are, we play too slow, but the results are tough to argue against. I think we should speed up quite a bit though. Will give LMA an extra rebound or two, and make him a DOUBLE DOUBLE man without him actually improving!
Memphis is more raw than us, but I don’t think they’re as athletic in their starters or their backups… and their backups really weigh them down in the athleticality race.
the way I see it, we have 4 players with very above average athleticism-- Bayless, Batum, Outlaw, Aldridge
I guess you have to put Roy in there also, but I hesitate to do so since he rarely displays his athleticism. Bayless barely played and Batum didn’t play more than 20 mpg.
The Grizz have Conley, Mayo, Gay, Warrick who all play major minutes and are very athletic. Arthur and Darko are pretty athletic also.
I guess I shouldn’t say they are significantly more athletic than we are, but I do think they are more athletic. I constantly raise my eyebrows a bit when people describe the Blazers as a “very athletic” team. In my book, Portland is about average athletically by NBA standards. If Bayless starts playing major minutes and Oden returns to Ohio State form, I might change my mind.
Whatta ya think of Darko as a backup PF/C?
I’ve loved the idea for a while and think he’d be perfect in that sort of scenario, because of his rebounding, shot blocking, and toughness.
He’d probably annoy a lot of teammates because he’s a hot head, but I don’t mind.
Darko is still way young
He could have a rebirth similar or better than Joel did with the Blazers.
Joel was almost out of the league when we signed him… Darko isn’t worth the #2 pick in such a historic draft, but he’s certainly good at what he does as a role player.
He ain’t Kwame, dats for sure.
Joel will be on the wrong side of 30 soon, plus having a 3rd guy who can play both big man positions as well as many starters would be a great luxury.
I just wouldn’t count Darko as taking a bad contract, but I’d be happy if Memphis would.
Plus, he is number 31, which is my lucky number.
Conley
Did much better when Hollins trusted him to call the plays himself, rather then having to look over at the bench. Like Blake with Nate.
But from what I have heard he is comfortable with either. I know they ran a lot of half court sets at Ohio State. He may be a positive for our team on the fast break, seeing as Brandon does not like to run it very much at all.
Does Nate prefer to play above the rim with Alley Oops, rather then fast break? Seemed to give Rudy & Sergio some good freedom in that regard. I know he had first hand experience, watching Payton & Kemp. At NCState, he was a year off from the famous alley oop game, he could have seen it though. Anyone know if McMillan was throwing oops back in college?
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Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
don't forget that conley is great at finding his shooters and is used to playing with a dominate bigman
He did in high school and at ohio state. Did a great job in finding mayo and gay in the latter half of season. him and greg have been paying together since he could dribble
Don't know about Nate at NCSU
However, more than once the the last couple of seasons – this last one in particular – I marveled at how little the Blazers ran the alley oop given their length and altheticism. This is with the exception of the Spaniards who may have been running it in spite of Nate for all we know . . . .
put a body on 'em
I remember
When Roy was getting fronted, Blake would throw some nice lobs.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Pryzbilla?
I love Joel but he has hands-of-stone. Kind of like Jaison Williams, the Ducks big, fast, non-catching WR. Anyone know if he got drafted?
put a body on 'em
Skins got him
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
7th round or UDFA
going off memory.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Late in the season they did that
I’d call them more of a back-door cut play, but they did finally see an opportunity there.
There were SO many times throughout the year that a screen-roll-lob with PG – to Aldridge/Oden looked like the ticket and they didn’t do it. Or even when Roy would be sitting up high thinking about what he was going to do with the ball.
put a body on 'em
Gary Payton
As an assistant ftw
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
especially if we drafted Collison or got Westbrook
because those guys have Paytonesque frames.
I would like for one of our point guards to be 6’5" and a real lockdown defender. I was hoping PetKo would have a killer season but he got hung up behind Earl Boykins. – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
Batum
The thought of Batum, catching & finishing an Alley Oop… Makes me smile
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Nic is one guy I do NOT want to give up
You never say never, but I just don’t see it. Maybe only if an elite PG is involved (Paul, Williams, . . . .).
put a body on 'em
Same
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Typical Blazers Homer
Only watching Blazers games and not spending more time watching crappy teams so you can drop knowledge about their roster on a Blazer’s blog. You probably only watch Blazers games and then nationally televised games of good teams. Homer.
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't even think he watches the Blazer games
He just reads what a few people say and then parrots it as if it was his own thought.
What a jerk.
M.
OMGSH I'VE BEEN EXPOSED
"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH
by prezofdeath on May 20, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Here I thought I was the only one that did that
I’ll watch two crappy NHL teams though.
put a body on 'em
I am going to bed. Peace.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Rodrigue Beaubois(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 20, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe... ALL of them?
IMAGINE HOW GOOD WE’D BE WITH 200 ROOKIES!!!
by Mortimer on May 20, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The package for Conley...
It sure seems to me that this thread is all about what we want to give up for Conley. Of course we would give up Outlaw (failed at sf and not what we want at pf but maybe he’ll work on your roster) and Bayless (lots of potential and not much actual success on the court) to get Conley who showed signs of being a solid franchise pg when given the reins in the 2nd half of last season. And we can make a case that Memphis may end up accepting that offer…
BUT it’s not what they are gonna come asking for. If the plan is to draft Rubio to pair with Gasol, they are gonna come asking for Rudy. But they already have Mayo!!! Well, we already have Roy and we value Rudy pretty highly.
If I’m Memphis and you refuse to include your backup sg in a package to get my starting pg… I tell you to go pound sand.
I think an added thing in our favor
Is our willingness to eat dirty nasty contracts that others won’t eat, especially in this economic climate.
We’d go into the talks with Rudy off the table, and if they can’t get past it, they’re paying Jaric until 2020.
I'd give up Rudy for Conley
I like Rudy but I’m not as sold on him as most Blazers fans. Yeah, he is great off-ball and from the three (especially as a “rookie”) but I’d give him up for Conley.
That still leaves a very lopsided roster to deal with. If it works, I’d rather send them Outlaw/Frye/Sergio(ad picks?) for Conley/Darko. Not sure it the numbers work but Memphis gets some size, contract flexibility, and another Spainard.
put a body on 'em
I think you are right
but I so badly don’t want to go into next season without an upgrade at pg. It might make sense to make a deal that is somewhat unfair based on talent, but still improves the team.
We need a PG upgrade
But Rudy is too special and versatile a talent to trade away, except for a surefire piece.
I don’t even think he should be a rookie in quotes, since he’s only 24, which used to be a normal rookie age. The adjustment from Euro to NBA player is even tougher for a dude like him, who went from being one of the most athletic guys in the league to one of the least athletic at his position. That’s tough to do, and adjust to the size, strength, and length.
He had experience and veteran guile, but in many ways he had to undergo a tougher adjustment period than normal, American rookies do.
Hmm, I dunno! I guess it just depends
Both Rudy and Batum seem to have better fundamentals than many similar players their age, except for Rudy’s bad dribbling.
They seem more aware of how to play team basketball, which makes them more capable of coming into a new team and fitting in right away.
Hard to ignore the fundamentals and high-level professional experience of Euroleague
I’m not sure most 4-year rookies really bring that much extra defense to the table in the first few years.
Odds are a star Euroleague player has experience with a clutch role on championship runs as well. Much less likely for a 4-year NCAA player, the majority never get near the finals.
a big time program makes four conferance tournys
and four big dance appearances. But I think its a tough call. The thing about the euro league players is we are getting the cream of the crop while everyone that plays D1 ball that is any good at least takes a shot at the draft
Yeah, but there are a lot of big conference players who never get past the sweet 16 in 4 years
But you’re right, that’s a tough call in its own way.
You’re correct that we only get the best Euro players right now, and we basically get everyone from D1. That’s one of the reasons I lean toward a Euro player. A lot of the weeding will have been done before anyone declares for a draft.
In reality, if you’ve got a 4-year big-conf player and a 4-year well-regarded Euro, you go with your scouting report. If that comes out equal, you go with your need. If they’re both the same, I’d go with the Euro, because I’d expect better fundamentals.
Totally a judgment call of course.
I appreciate him going the the NBA rookie curve
and I probably used the quotations frivolously. And it may be all because I get tired of the Rudy can do no wrong theme that is prevalent. Don’t be me wrong – I like him a lot – but we need a real PG more than anything else.
The Rudy for Conley trade doesn’t work straight up anyway due to salaries. We’d have to kick more in which would just make it more lopsided.
put a body on 'em
Rudy has real flaws
But the general things that go against most rookies (adapting to NBA athletes) is tougher on him, who didn’t grow up playing against other elite NBA athletes.
He certainly isn’t perfect and I’m sure many of us way overrate him. I remember people here saying he’d be better than Roy, even.
He can’t dribble like a SG, can’t get his own shot (he could in Spain, but can’t here, which removes a big part of his game), and is small. But, his off the ball game and passing ability, not to mention his great shooting, will always be needed on a team like ours.
I characterize Rudy
As a straw that breaks the camel’s back type guy in the playoffs.
I don’t wanna lose him except for obvious team changers.
My favorite Rudy memory so far
I was in tears laughing when he shouted that.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It was bad luck he said it!
We would still be playing if he didn’t butcher that line with his pidgin gypsy Spanglish.
THE BASTARD.
Blake cost us the entire season.
Losing to the Thunder hurts too, and losing to the Mavs at home on X-Mas, and the banked 3 by Pedo Turkeyglu…
What else was a bad loss?
No, I agree
I’m not being snarky, Blake cost us in the playoffs by being awful in the playoffs and choking like a 2 year old on a lego against the Clippers.
Blake was awful in the playoffs?
he made some bad plays down the stretch but was generally pretty good— just as good as he was in the regular season.
Yeah the Philly game
Where Oden made the big dunk to win, but LMA was called for the blocking foul on the next possession. Then Philly won it in overtime.
Yeah, that sucked
And that was before we realized how awful that team was.
We shoulda’ creamed em, home or abroad!
Yeah
That was horse crap. I blame jksnake for that one.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions
The Spurs as the 3rd seed in general is baloney spit
If those dang Rockets didn’t choke and lose their last game…!
OOH I’M SO ANGRY NOW!!!
or James posey could of done what new orleans paid him that money for
hit game clinching free throws
I have been thinking about that a lot lately
It was that damn thunder game in OKC. Sucks because the nuggets won two games against the thunder on last second shots and we beat them twice by thirty.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
There's so many places to pick up or lose a game though
San Antonio dumped a game against Denver, and still almost found a way to win.
Yeah but we had the same record as the nugs and nobody won head to head
so it came down to division record, thus the thunder loss did us in.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
If it had come down to division record
Then Denver actually would have tried to win game #82.
Just figured it’s worth noting.
but he can't play with the ball unlike Conley.
That is my main point. We need a ball handler who can drive the offense, not just hang his head out the passenger window and yell at the chicks.
Rudy is three (?) years older than Conley too, so if you factored for age one could make the argument that Conley could be more valuable eventually.
put a body on 'em
or Nic, or Travis (big ?? on that one)
and Rudy really wants to be a 2 anyway. He doesn’t match up well against most NBA 3’s.
put a body on 'em
It would be fine if they had something else that could come back
but literally, Conley would be it. You don’t let go of Rudy for Conley Jr, they’re both at about the same level. You can tempt Memphis with 3 or 4 players plus cap space plus a pick, and improve our team by getting an additional B+ player for a bunch of B- guys. That is essentially the goal of this offseason. Get a B+ player at our greatest position of need (PG), without giving up one of our nucleus of 6 (Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Przybilla).
We'll reply that we're keeping Rudy, but will give them cash considerations and take a bad contract
Memphis may say ‘ok’…. they’d like to save money anywhere they can. And Portland can help them with that more than almost any team.
time travel could be an awesome NBA weapon
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
If you take back both those salaries
you don’t have to give up as much talent, which is essentially using Paul Allen’s money for good. If that were the case you could get away with just giving up Blake, Outlaw and Sergio, or Webster Outlaw and Sergio, or some like package with Frye included as a sign and trade.
I'm pretty sure that can only be used in a 1 for 1 trade
or something like that. Maybe a 1 for none trade. Which is how you get a James Jones type PF if for some reason you’re not able to piece together one from the scratch left over after dealing for Conley Jr. More than likely, that’d be what you’d need in a trade for Rubio, not Conley Jr.
oh, i thought it meant we can absorb more then we can put out, but i am not sure
that makes since though
That's what it looks to be right now.
and that is money, that to put it in terms Rudy Fernandez would approve of, they want to put on our face.
good point, but we can point the sence of the memphis management back to the salary dump of Pao Gasol
They won’t want to be paying lottery money to two point guards
How valuable is a starting PG on a bad team?
He’s a fad right now. And, they wanted Outlaw in the past. More reason to think they’d ask for the same thing than there is to think they’d ask for something different. Who cares either way, I’d rather have Hinrich, who everyone has forgotten about.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Hinrich only fits about 2 years of our window
He’s going to be 29 by the playoffs next year and he’s not going to be that defender a lot of people think of, especially against the quicker point guards in this league. While Conley Jr isn’t as solid a defender, he specializes versus that type of point guard because of how quick he is. He’s also a much better offensive player than Hinrich is and can penetrate and dish at a much higher level than Hinrich can. Oh ya… he’s also 7 years younger with a better contract, is tight with GO which can only help him and fits almost perfectly into our offense. He even would allow us to play at a faster pace if we so chose. There isn’t a plotter among them after Oden would lose some pounds (Conley, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Oden) may be the most athletic 5 in the league.
I remember watching the NCAA tourney with Oden and Conley (before we got the #1 pick)
and thinking that Ohio State seemed to play just as well (or even better) with Oden out of the game as with him in. Conley really seemed like the driver for that team. Oden was clearly the better NBA prospect and killed it in the title game, but I remember coming away from at least 2 of their games feeling like Conley was the Buckeye’s MVP.
he was running the show
getting the ball to their scorers in their positions (D Cook and ____ besides Oden) or making plays happen himself sometimes with his speed and ball-handling. One on one he was certainly better than T Green.
I’m starting to make myself non-objective about Mike Conley – I think I need to stop defending and coveting him . . . .
put a body on 'em
I remember that was a sentiment many shared
When I watched, I felt like he was a quick dude playing against normal college athletes, and didn’t pass into Oden enough.
But, I was watching to scout Oden as a hopeful fan, and wasn’t as interested in Conley.
Conley’s quickness, 40 inch vertical, length (despite his height), and quickly improved jumper make him very interesting though. I mean, we’d be going crazy if Bayless finished the season with 15/6/4.
Yeah, it's like summer league
Athletes like that can really abuse the lesser athletes much more than a raw big man can.
Magic call you crazy
The didn’t know how bad Rafer sucks.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
a 27 year old, that’ll be 28 by next years playoffs that’s played half a good season of NBA basketball in his life and you’d give up Rudy, let alone others for him? That is crazy talk. The way D-Ho and company play, Nelson has ridiculously easy shots.
That is just ridiculous talk if I’ve ever heard it.
Well....
I think your comment is ridiculous.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I would do that trade in a heartbeat.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Give me the 21 year old Mike Conley Jr
on top of getting to keep Rudy. It’s just a no-brainer decision over taking Nelson. Did anyone ever watch that kid before this season? Not a pretty sight. MC at 21 looked better at the end of last year than Jameer had looked in his entire career up to this year. He’s quicker than Nelson, better at getting into the lane then Nelson, a better passer than Nelson… I’m just not seeing the upside here in comparison.
We're all kidding
It was fun while it lasted but I’ll be the sour puss who lets you know we are jokin’, foolin’, fun-like.
I realized you were....
with your “even if he’s injured forever” quote. As far as I’m concerned NVE wants to give Rudy away for a nice PB&J sandwich.
Depends.
Do I get draft picks with the PP&J? Also, I would probably prefer a roast beef on rye.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't hate him.
I don’t even know him. Why would you say a thing like that? If you tell Rudy I said that, so help me God, I will be so mad at you.
Don’t spread rumors.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Gross...
but true.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I used some on the honeymoon
It worked great, but the new wife is still leaving puddles everywhere. IT’S A MESS!
Whatever.
He was probably just flopping emotionally.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember that one time
A PB&J sandwich made the all-star game.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions
jameer nelson is better than anyone we have right now
We’d be crazy not to trade for him, even if he’s injured for forever.
Darko wants to go to Europe.
The Blazers could take him in a salary dump and then maybe negotiate a buyout. I’m not sure if I want that guy in the locker room and I bet the Grizzlies don’t either. No other team in the league could afford to take him and that seems like a huge bargaining chip for us to use. Give us Conley and we’ll take Darko.
His main attributes are grit and victorious spirit, and he explained to me that he has lost that since he played in team which is not among the best in NBA. Milicic wants to re-gain that spirit by playing in Europe. He’s still in doubt whether or not to return. Also, he’s got a wedding coming up, on May 23, and after that he’ll become a father. He wouldn’t be fully concentrated on the national team… This isn’t the first time Darko has hinted at his desire to return to Europe to play. Twice this season alone Darko has made comments to the press about wanting to return to Europe when his contract was up.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 1:45 AM PDT reply actions
I think he'll make more in the NBA as well
Big men always make a ton in the NBA, more than he’d make in Europe I’d wager— especially since he isn’t a highly skilled big man in the grand Euro tradition.
Are his main attributes really grit and a victorious spirit?
I always thought they were being tall and ripping jerseys in half.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
He's a tough bad ass
He has a very high squabbles and fights to peace ratio.
He rebounds and blocks shots and does general tough big man things. No backing down. Threatens to rape and murder refs families (always a plus).
by Mortimer on May 20, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like it that he never complains about the refs.
These three big [ expletive deleted ], these three [ expletive deleted ] of judges took the game from us, that’s what happened. These [ expletive deleted ], these three [ expletive deleted ], they think they are [ expletive deleted ], I’ll come over and [ expletive deleted ] their mothers in [ expletive deleted ], all three of them. That’s all i have to say. [ expletive deleted ] all three of them. [ expletive deleted ] his Italian pompeus mother in [ expletive deleted ], brother. That’s all I have to say. [ expletive deleted ], they can suck my [ expletive deleted ], you can put that in the papers, brother. All three of them, I don’t give a [ expletive deleted ] who they are. This is all I have to say. The hell we did, [ expletive deleted ], he doesn’t blow the whistle, he [ expletive deleted ] his pants. I’m gonna [ expletive deleted ] his mom in the mouth. If he has a daughter, I’m gonna [ expletive deleted ] her too. We fought, I died, I’m gonna go to the medics now, and they stole the game from us like [ expletive deleted ].- Darko Milicic
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 20, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno...
…if I had a vote on who in the NBA would be most likely guilty of genocide, Darko would be #2 after Kobe.
by Mortimer on May 20, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Travis is a close 3
That guy is just evil.
WOOP THERE GOES YOUR LIFE BLAM
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
What if Travis Outlaw WAS secretly a serial killer?
He has a high serial killer IQ. His aw shucks persona is a cover!
by Mortimer on May 20, 2009 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
So . . . .
he’d be the guy sticking the stick in another guy’s eye or hatcheting them across the neck with it. He’d be the every-ten-year incident guy.
put a body on 'em
he gets sad when ever he hears the names melo, bosh and wade.
he vows to beat them in international play and wants to go practice with his countrymen
Outlaw/Sergio for Conley works
Even Outlaw alone works. Would Memphis take either one?
put a body on 'em
i think they would take travis, he would fit in thier system
and lets face it, Travis deserves to be on a keep shooting who cares about defense system. He would be awesome
I wish the stupid Grizz had a sbnation blog
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Make one then
Grow a pair and make your own Grizzlies blog, pal.
They got a blog, I’ve been there, what is it called?
Stakville to Memphis is 2 hrs, 54 min
183 miles. I would have thought it was a little closer than that given the Outlaw family turnout.
Travel time could be reduced by Travis’ dad’s pull as chief of police.
put a body on 'em
Starkville is just a small gathering of huts and nomadic tribes
Memphis is the closest city where they go to buy supplies.
I hear they sell obsidian there
three catfish for each arrowhead. (I should stop . . . I like Travis but don’t think I want him on the blazers).
put a body on 'em
Travis already owns it
He bought it for a bushel of fish hooks he brought back from Stumptown.
put a body on 'em
that's why the Mississippi State alums look so rustic
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
No drama or nuthin, to build interest for the team
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nba-lottery20-2009may20,0,5679790.story
Dunleavy says they will draft Griffin.
He shoulda' KP'd it and pretended to have an internal debate
To build interest in the franchise and get people talking about the Clippers here in LA, and all over.
Now, they even made the drafting of the #1 pick boring.
I think Dunleavy just wants a few weeks of vacation
If they had a later pick, he’d have to go scout everyone!
Now he can have a nice Euro vacation, relax a bit, and practice for his future career as a Tony Soprano impersonator.
Watching Oklahoma game film on vacation
“Clearly, we’re taking Blake Griffin,” Clippers General Manager and Coach Mike Dunleavy said in a telephone interview from Barcelona, Spain.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
great Hansbrough (sp?) expression in the photo
“where’s the TP?!?”
The Griffin looks more like a gorilla. The spumoni gorilla. Somehow that isn’t very catchy.
put a body on 'em
Griffin, who led the nation in double-doubles last season, could have had an up-close-and-personal look at the Clippers in April. On the same night he received the Wooden Award in Los Angeles as the college basketball player of the year, the Clippers were playing Sacramento a few miles away, fighting for better lottery odds.
The Kings lost that night. But it hardly mattered, as it turned out.
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by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Correct
You looked it up and then pretended like you were guessing correctly.
I’M ON TO YOUR TRICKS!!!!!!!
Mortimer (not as sly as he thinks)
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions
NO IT 'TWAS MEMORY
Why, I even think they were the last team to do it twice over! Has anyone else aside from them won it?
You tell me
I can see through your window that the stats are right in front of you.
Sabonis4Ever (running away)
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
(throws can of corn, knocks you out)
(has way with you)
(leaves you in a ditch with printed out page of basketballreference.com stapled to head)
well
considering the worst team only has a 1 in 4 shot at winning it, i say the acual data is pretty good
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 20, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I truly feel bad for the Kings
They have no one I would consider a good starter for their position. Not even Kevin Martin, with how useless he is on defense and his inability to make plays for others.
Griffin's career is already over
The Clippers are like the Marines except the Clipper forget to build the man back up after they break him down.
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lmao
+1,000
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
just got done watching mystery alaska and I think we should hire burt Reynolds
Nothing to do with him being the coach in the movie,, but if i got to watch a blazer game and Burt Reynolds at the same time I would be in heaven.
I would like him more if he didn't have plastic surgery
Tough guy actors shouldn’t, #1: wear bad hairpieces outside of movie roles, and #2 have bad plastic surgery.
He shoulda’ gone old gracefully, like Eastwood and Hackman and other tough guys.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090519
Analysis: It feels like destiny for Hansbrough to end up in Utah. His tough, blue-collar game should work really well for Jazz coach Jerry Sloan. And with the Jazz likely to lose either Carlos Boozer or Paul Millsap, or both, they’ll probably have a need at the 4.
I.would.die.
I heard he was petitioning the NCAA to be able to play a 5th and 6th season
He’s hoping to drop his draft stock to the ‘regional draft’ level… but no one close to him has the heart to tell him the regional draft has been gone for decades :-(
ABSOLUTELY NOT in our division.
Preferably not in the West.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the Bulls crazy team. The Cavs would be ok too.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions
A hustling white guy on a jazz team?
My blood is curdling with hatred at the very thought of it.
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit.
I like him because people hate him
He fills a need, he has championship experiences, 4 years of college, and the Blazers could actually get him with their pick.
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Do we KNOW that though?
Since Freeland plays in a wacky league and we all haven’t seen much of him…
I ain’t saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying I dunno how we can realistically say that.
I like how Freeland moves, though. I haven’t watched much Hans “off my” Brough.
/m
Freeland is 2 inches taller, much more athletic and has an ACB PER nearly as high as Hansbrough's NCAA PER
and the ACB is a way stronger league than the NCAA. Moreover, when Tyler Hansbrough faced top competition he struggled. In their tournament game against Oklahoma, Blake Griffin dominated despite facing double teams while Hansbrough faced single coverage from Blake’s brother Taylor most of the game and was pretty much silent.
I much prefer Freeland as a backup/emergency 4/5 over Hansbrough, who’s weak rebounding numbers are artificially inflated by UNC’s fast pace.
Blake Griffin is a #1 draft pick
You don’t draft a guy at the 24th pick and expect him to beat the #1 pick. I prefer Hansbrough’s competitive spirit over some guy I’ve only seen in summer league and in clips on the internet. Hansbrough has heart and is worth paying $1,120,200 for the 24th pick. Heck, you could actually have both on the roster.
All I’m saying, is that drafting Hansbrough with the 24th pick hardly seems like a huge risk or a mistake.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
you mis-read part of my post
Hasnbrough couldn’t even outplay Taylor Griffin. I don’t think taking Hansbrough at #24 would be a disaster, but I think I would prefer to trade up for someone like Blair, trade out as part of a deal to get a PG, or stash a prospect in Europe who might someday be able to play a major role, instead of maybe (but maybe not) be an upgrade over Frye.
Yeah
Sorry about that. I think we’re on the same page about where it’s worth drafting Hansbrough. I still like him against better players, because I think he’ll draw a lot of technical fouls.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
Nah
He was a lottery pick 2 years ago and then he’s been in the late teens and 20’s the last two years. I’ve been on his bandwagon that long.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It is strange to me why you don't like him at all
You are a stat guy. Look at his stats.
by Sabonis4Ever on May 20, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's a fine pick at the end of the first round, I just don't see him as a guy you target and trade up for
He has shown very little improvement over his 4 years, can be defended 1v1 by NBA athletes and is not a very good rebounder once you adjust for pace (something you always have to do when evaluating UNC players). His best asset is his scoring ability and I believe that asset will be limited to a substantial degree by NBA athletes.
If KP drafts him, fine, but I wouldn’t give up anything more than a 2nd round pick to move up and get him. I think Joel Freeland can give us more next year.
The stats I use are pretty good at evaluating NBA players, but they are much less reliable when projecting translation from Europe or College to the NBA. I’d need a much better stat database to be even decent at that.
Snap
I read this after my reply above. I don’t think Hansbrough is worth moving into the lottery to draft, but I could handle a move up to about 18-20. I think the Blazers would have to give up too much to move much higher than that for Hansbrough. I don’t want him that bad.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
One reason I don’t want Hansbrough is the “big school” effect. A lot of times, the championship players have a boosted value after winning the title, making them go a few spots higher than they actually should… that’s not good value. I think Mateen Cleaves…
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
Why take Roko?
When you can take Goran Dragic?
The guy didn’t even warrant a “From…” on the suns website, he’s obviously a stealthy player of unknown origin, perfect for this team. A silent (good character) enforcer (tough guy).
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit.
He gives the ball to the opposition once every 10 minutes, he's just a really swell guy.
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit.
that's why everyone loves him
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
heres what we need
i dont know the details on how its done but we should A) replace blake with nash as our vet starting PG, B) pickup r. westbrook from OKC to be our young gary payton on the rise future pg. m0eeeeeeeeeeeeee.
if brandon roy played for toronto he'd be brandon waaaaah
My predictions and a reminder
1. Rubio will stay in Spain unless he gets a situation he likes. Why would he come here to play in Oklahoma? To name one really bad outcome, as an example.
2. Chad Ford was high when he said OKC takes Rubio. No way, in this lifetime or the next.
3. At least one of the top three picks will be traded. Maybe all three.
Reminder: This particular draft is wretched. Griffin is good, Rubio is interesting, and everything else is a toxic waste site. Fitting that the Clippers got the #1.
Everyone else is a toxic waste site?
Don’t insult my DeJuan like that!
Land was created to provide a place for boats to visit.
Yeah
There are at least 20 guys who will have good careers in the NBA. There is just a big drop off after the first two.
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by tominhawaii on May 20, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
unrec
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 20, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What
they already did the lottery?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
Man if you post a couple photos of some Blazers Dancers or that Spanish team photo with the naughty eyes in this thread
You’d get like 2,000 comments.
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton
Mortimer asked what Conley's weaknesses are. Here is a brief assessment from 3 Shades of Blue today
1. Mike Conley. Got one vote for most improved. Has a shaky shot (yes still, you can argue all you want otherwise). Has confidence problems. Is quick as lightning. Can make great, heady passes, even if no one on the team can make the shot after the pass. Doesn’t turn the ball over too much. Loves to dribble. Alot. In fact, the over-dribbling kills the offense. Is in a secret romantic affair with Ron Tillery and coach idiot Lionel Hollins.
I remember Hollinger saying that Mayo rated as a point guard about as much as Travis Outlaw did.
Pritchard: "Just because we aren't at the lottery doesn't mean we won't be in the lottery."
Where is fatty when you need him?
Conley fanboys hyperventilating over him like 12 year old girls over the Jonas Brothers.
Conley is an OK pg so far. Not great, not bad, OK. He sucked his rookie year due to several issues (and was stuck in a 3 guard rotation), but looks to turn out decent and maybe even good.
Bayless also did not produce incredibly well his rookie year with guards in front of him. However, he produced better in college than Conley did and projects to produce better in the NBA once he finishes adjusting.
Sure, right this minute, Conley is a better NBA PG, by the end of next season, that may well not be the case. It honestly wouldn’t take much for Bayless to reach “conley levels.”
Come on people (you know who you are) Conley ain’t Chris Paul, why so gaga over mediocre production from a 2nd (3rd now) year prospect that had a bad rookie year on a bad team and then so down on a guy who had trouble getting minutes on the 5th best team in the league?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Conley is leaps and bounds closer to CP3 than Bayless as a basketball player
Also, it seems like the pot calling the kettle black with your love for Bayless (fanboy?). Conley Jr has already been what we’d need him to be here. His 16/6/4/2 stat line after the all-star break along with his 46/44/84 percentage marks which would be big steps up immediately for this team. Bayless is so far behind MC Jr on the learning curve and I’d even say the talent curve. Those things that you can’t teach like BBIQ and passing are a major plus for Conley Jr. while they’re a complete unknown for Bayless. Conley Jr unlike Bayless was actually a teams PG in college. Though he didn’t have the points anyone that watched Ohio State knows he was the catalyst behind them getting to the NC game. Bayless didn’t take his team anywhere and its not like that team didn’t have talent on it (Wise/Hill/Budinger).
Conley was better than Bayless at college
but it´s hard to compare because Arizona was exceptionally bad and Ohio pretty good.
well, the supporting casts weren't terribly different
Obviously Greg was much better than Hill, but Budinger and Wise would probably be considered substantial upgrades over Cook and Lewis. None of the rest of either team would have been considered anything to write home about, though.
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