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Credit to Planet29 for noticing this:

"In Odens last 400 minutes of playing time (23 games) he had ONE assist"

Think about that. After he returned from the Maggette knee bump injury, Oden totaled 1 assist. Including the playoffs. In the same period of time, he had 29 turnovers. This is kind of scary.

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Wow...

This year is NOT a building season!!

by collectiveshane on May 16, 2009 12:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

His entire offensive game was ugly post-injury

Still a shocking stat, though.

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by Cablinasian on May 16, 2009 12:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just another aspect of his game that will improve with time.

As long as he works on it, that is. If you can’t pass out, there’s nothing to keep teams from throwing 4 guys at you once you get the ball down low.

Yes! Yes! In the face!

by LeafHawk on May 16, 2009 1:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not worried about it.

He still did better this year overall with assists and turnovers, then Joel did last year.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 16, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

its probobly more shocking than it is any kind of long term worry

Pre-Maggette injury his ast/to ratio was about 1:2 or 1:2.5. After, it was 1:23.

by jksnake99 on May 16, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is one of those thing's that would make you think "wow" in a bad way.

I really don’t think it will have anything to do with his long term performance. Just kind of a freak occurrence. Oden’s assists all depend on how the offense is run.

by Bskey on May 16, 2009 2:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For Greg Oden, I don't blame this on "hands of stone."

Oden is neither Kwame Brown nor Hilton Armstrong, so screw these stats.

Rather, Oden’s problems here are a direct result of Nate McMillan’s idiocy apropos of running a smooth, pro-style offense. McMillan doesn’t understand the pick-and-roll — both offensively and defensively — to save his life; therefore, he should be fired on the spot!

Y’know, I dealt with the ineptitude of McMillan’s high/low zone offense in Seattle—and now I’m done with it!

http://www.championshipproductions.com/cgi-bin/champ/p/Basketball/Jeff-Van-Gundy-Executing-and-Defending-the-Pick-Roll-Part-I-II_BD-02692.html

It’s time to fire McMillan and hire Jeff Van Gundy—and that’s f***ing that!

by AK1984 on May 16, 2009 3:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not so much.
Oden’s problems here are a direct result of Nate McMillan’s idiocy apropos of running a smooth, pro-style offense.

What was the Blazer’s offensive rating this year? 2nd in the league? Apparently whatever McMillan was doing was working, so it seems really silly to complain.

Jeff Van Gundy?

Dekembe had 10 assists and 51 turnovers during his first year under JVG. How does that compare to Oden’s 31 assists and 87 turnovers under Nate? In fact, Oden had more assists in is rookie season under McMillan than Mutombo did in his three seasons with Gundy. Clearly the coach is not the problem.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 16, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, it's not entirely the coaching staff's problem that Greg Oden had a poor assist-to-turnover ...

ratio to end the season during his rookie year. Regardless, if y’all want to win a championship trophy in the Rose City within the next few years it’ll have to be on the back of Oden and Brandon Roy. Yeah, the high/low zone offense with a heavy dose of isolation plays does well for Roy now — and I’m sure he loves it — yet, that wont’ win it all in the playoffs when an efficient scorer and astute defender down on the low blcok is a necessary asset.

Seriously, though, the pick-and-roll — both offensively and defensively — must become a staple if the Portland Trail Blazers wish to win a title within the next f****** decade; in turn, I strongly suggest firing Nate McMillan and replacing him with Jeff Van Gundy would be a smart, savvy move by the front office.

by AK1984 on May 16, 2009 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like JVG.

Technically he’s probably a better coach than Nate, but with all the subtleties that go into it behind the scenes I’m not sure you can really know that for sure. Having the respect of the players is uber important and I think it’s pretty clear Nate has that.

The pick and roll will get better when the team gets a better PG. I’m not sure Nate has anything to do with that right now. It’s not like JVG knows more about it, or has some magic cure. He’s probably just going to tell the team the same stuff Nate tells them.

Also, Gundy only won 54 games in a season one time in his 11 year coaching career, and that was with a hall of fame center. McMillan is doing just fine. You don’t fire your coach after the team has their best season in the past ten years.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 16, 2009 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You made a good point about how the "subtleties [...] behind the scenes" have an impact.

Without question, changing trainers weeks before the big horse race might have unexpected negative consequences. Although Nate McMillan is a mediocre tactician, the players do seem to respect him and, moreover, the offense was efficient last season in spite of its simplicity.

by AK1984 on May 16, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you been drinking?

Are you drunk right now?

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by GonzoFan on May 16, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I honestly thought the same thing.

AK1984 is smart. These last couple posts… not so much.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 16, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

It happens.

I think Nate gets another season without question. If the team fails to develop then there might be a problem, and maybe a coaching change is in order. I did find it a little disturbing that they decided to play Yao straight up during that first game in the playoffs. That was probably the first time I’ve ever seen Nate make a completely obvious blunder.

I like Jeff Van Gundy, but I’m not sure he would take a coaching job with the Blazers. Eddie Jordan is actually pretty fantastic. Maurice Cheeks would make a awesome assistant coach, not for tactical reasons, but I think he brings good vibes and players listen to him. (except Darius) Avery Johnson is a good coach, but he has control issues, which might not be good for a young team. Popovich owns a winery in Oregon, maybe if the Spurs blow up he would come down here.

Other than that I can’t really think of anyone. I would definitely like to see a defensive coordinator and maybe a big man coach. (Not Patric Ewing)

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 16, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In other news Oden had a lower Turnover percentage than Sergio :)

16 vs. 24 per 100 possessions. Not unusual for a PG to have more turnovers than his teammates despite being the best ball handler. But Greg isn’t in bad company with his turnovers. Yao has the same. Joel is 2% worse.

But I have to say 31 assists total/0.5 per game falls in line with the other slightly disappointing stat: His FT%. I was hoping for more than .637. Then again Joel only had 27. Our centers are not really involved in passing to open or cutting players yet. But Tyson Chandler had even less, and it’s not like he had a great point guard and two of the deadliest corner shooters…

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=v4r3g

"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle

by Norsktroll on May 16, 2009 4:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is crazy!

I remember that early in the season Greg was a great passer. I think we went to him less on the post up which I hope changes next year.

Hello Dum Dum

by ryryslyry on May 16, 2009 5:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly right

Oden was passing out of the low post very effectively early in the season. But after a while the team stopped running ANY plays for him. Coach’s decision. It’s hard to pass the ball when you don’t have it.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.

by Kaboomm on May 16, 2009 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was out of the loop.

When he came back I don’t think the team was used to him being in the offense again. I don’t think Blake was looking for him much and Oden certainly wasn’t asserting himself on offense. He looked more rusty than usual.

I wouldn’t have passed him the ball much either.

Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .

by Nick Van Excellent on May 16, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh

Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related

by cloudydays on May 16, 2009 7:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

rec

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by HurraKane212 on May 16, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know,

that oden and roy backcourt combo would have been killer.

oden could post up any point guard in the league

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by thomasikehara on May 16, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Timbo...

I guffawed audibly … nice

Rec

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by Roadblazer on May 17, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we again begin to regularly run the offense through the center,

assists will go up. Call it the “Joel culture.”

If nearly* every touch is a putback or a feed at the rim centers just go up. While turnovers happen there regularly, few assists do. When we have a second player at the rim with him, think of that PF banger we long for, the center can hand it off. But when he shares the court with a drivers and jump shooters exclusively spacing will be good but assists- not so much.

*I know that we did set plays up with him in the post occasionally, but not often and no one was comfortable with it.

Give Greg time.

Bedge or go home.

by Ojala John on May 16, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The TOs didn't come on passes

They came on travels, offensive fouls, strips, that sort of thing.

During his last stretch run, we didn’t go into him in the post much, just letting him score off of garbage buckets and easy dunks. That takes away most passing chances.

It’s a horrible stat, but doesn’t negate what we saw early in the year— Oden has a very good passing touch for a rookie big man, and was more than willing to find the open man when double teamed.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on May 16, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

remember the statistic about assists to bad pass ratio? It measures turnovers that come on passes as opposed to offensive fouls, strips, etc. That’s a better indication of passing ability. I remember LMA was up at the top of that list.

by sPresley on May 16, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From 82games.com...

Roy – 6.0 (assist to bad pass ratio)
Aldridge – 5.9
Rodriguez – 5.0
Blade – 4.5
Oden – 4.4
Frye – 4.0
Batum – 3.7
Fernandez – 2.9
Outlaw – 2.9
Bayless – 2.8
Przybilla – 1.7
(No other player registered an assist.)

Obviously, this needs to be used with assist per minute since some people didn’t do much of either (make a bad pass or assist).

by poster on May 16, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blade would be a nice nickname if he would actually drive and dish

"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle

by Norsktroll on May 16, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, we need to move Oden

that’s worse than JR Rider….seriously!

"Whatever...I heard Bayless uses a pillowcase as a wallet." --TiH

by prezofdeath on May 16, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You have to remember

they don’t give out hockey assists. This stat doesn’t account for times Oden would kick out to a guard who would then swing the ball around the perimeter to a wide open shooter on the opposite side of the court. Oden doesn’t get an assist for that, but he starts the play that gets the wide open shot.

by SalemORguy on May 16, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the question becomes is how this happened.

How much of Oden’s time with the ball in his hands came in the set offense and how much off of offensive rebounds. From my recollection, Oden didn’t get the ball often in the half-court set. Which would have been the best opportunity to get an assist. But to be honest, I was okay with that arrangement. When the ball did go into him, which seems like happened maybe twice a game, he bounce a hook shot off the front of the rim. It got to the point where I cringed when they gave Oden the ball in the half court set. But this set up a catch-22 situation, where the team didn’t pass the ball to Oden out of fear of his shot, and Oden didn’t pass the ball out because he hardly ever got it. Getting down one reliable offensive move helps this situation. Although it sounds strange, I think Oden making more shots creates the opportunity to raise his assist total.

He has some stuff to work on over the summer, but passing skills I would think are not the highest priority.

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by T Darkstar on May 16, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Greg needs to have the ball to make a pass

The only time he touches it is when he grabs a rebound.

by Sabonis4Ever on May 17, 2009 2:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stat anomaly

Throw it down, Big Man, throw it down!

I wanna see G.O.’s assists go up, throwing outlet passes on our fast breaks

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by Lizzy Lowblow on May 18, 2009 6:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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