Realistic Offseason Options
by quezadaz on May 15, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
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Im tired of hearing about Ricky Rubio and Kirk Hinrich already for our starting PG position. I dont think that Steve Blake is our starting PG and for alot of teams he wouldnt be. He is a good backup PG and thats probably where he is used best.
I have posted and talked about guys like TJ Ford and maybe Andre Miller but after looking over the upcoming free agents and looking at teams rosters and potential fits for the Blazers i keep coming back to one guy. Chris Duhon..
I think Duhon is a great fit with our team and is a good character guy. He played very well last season and could help take the Blazers to the next level. He would come alot cheaper than Andre Miller or Ricky Rubio.
I think that it is really possible to get him. We could give up Jerryd Bayless, Sergio and Travis Outlaw with a early second round pick for Duhon and maybe somebody like Jared Jeffries. I think the Knicks would love to have Bayless because of how good he could be in the open court fast break offense they run. Outlaw could also compete for the starting SF poisition with Wilson Chandler.
As for our Backup PF spot we could try and get Charlie Villanueva. He is also a good character guy who could really help us. He isnt a great defender but he is a guy that can rebound and fiish with both hands around the rim. Im not saying that he is the banger that we need at that position but he is somebody that we can get to help us out.
Shelden WIlliams could be that low post banger that we need. He isnt that great of a scorer but he is somebody that is willing to do the dirty work. He is a great defender who can block shots and he plays very hard and physical. Exactly what we need. Minnesota will let him go if he is offered a decent amount of money because they already have a crowded frontcourt.
I think if we can get both Villanueva and Williams that would be ideal. We could get a good defende in Williams and a really good scorer in Villanueva. Wiliiams can fill in as Center if Oden gets in foul trouble so that wouldnt force us to put Joel in everytime Greg finds himself in foul trouble.
I like signing free agents who could help fill out our depth to our team. Sign people that can actually play. I like getting former Blazers in here like Juan Dixon and Ime Udoka. They have experience and could come very cheap to us.
As far as the draft i think the moves we could make would open up our options a little more and really let us take the best player available rather than the best PF left. I say we trade up a few positions in the draft and take Terrence Williams. Williams is a lock down defender who could help us with his defense. He isnt a great shooter but we arent in real need of his scoring. He can rebound and can pass very well which is always a plus. He is a good athlete and he would be a good addition to our team down the road. Not to mention he is from Washington.
Bring Joel Freeland over as well to serve as our 3rd center this season. Its just time to bring him over. He cant stay overseas forever and we need to figure out if he can handle the NBA.
PG: Duhon, Blake, Dixon
SG: Roy, Rudy, Terrence Williams
SF: Webster, Batum, Terrence Williams
PF: Lamarcus, Villanueva, Shelden Williams
C: Przybilla, Oden, Freeland
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I don't understand your logic.
Why exactly do you want to trade a top PG prospect plus one of the top 6th men in the league for a journeyman PG who has shown little improvement other than getting his stats padded by playing for D’Antoni? Duhon has never had a PER above twelve.
Bayless, rookie warts and all, had a PER over 15 for the time Blake was out. Bayless was a top rated prospect expected to go between 4-8 in the draft. Duhon was a second rounder.
Could you explain your rationale? These seems like crazy overpayment for a guy with less promise than one of the three guys you are trading.
by upper left corner on May 15, 2009 7:22 PM PDT reply actions 15 recs
Ya know who else could be really good in our system?
Bayless, and we don’t even have to make another trade to get him. Just give him a year to develop.
In otherwords, I’ll rec the first response also.
To follow up
There seems to be alot of talk about “a true PG”. Why would we put a true PG, next to one of the best combo guards in the league. Roy plays the PG on offense in style on many sets, therefore the standard distributor is not needed. Someone who has a commitment to D, and an ability to shoot the 3 with good ball handling skills is needed. Blake had the latter of the two, and just didn’t have the physical gifts to make it through on the first. Bayless has the first, but needs to develop the other two. Given his age and work ethic, I like the chances.
If you have read any of my other posts i have made that point
I say why have a true point when brandon runs the point. I have been shot down everytime. They are in love with the idea of trading away half of our team to acquire sombody like that. I thought i would throw in a lot cheper option. What did you think about the rest of the post.
Why do people want another point guard then
If you are so sure that Bayless will be a star then why do people want Hinrich and Andre Miller. Im just giving diffrent opinions. Something else to talk about besides Miller or Hinrich. Giving other guys out there who could fit our team.
I can't speak for Lurtsman
but I’m not very high on Bayless. I think he has a chance to be good, but I’m not encouraged by what I saw this season. I just don’t think Duhon is an upgrade over Blake. That’s why I’m on the Hinrich bandwagon— I think Hinrich represents a big upgrade over Blake on D and a small upgrade over Blake on offense.
Jake can you give me your reasons for being pessimistic? I don't think I have every seen you really explain your point of view.
by upper left corner on May 15, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
well, to start with, he shot 37% from the field and had more assists than turnovers
He seems to want to do things himself and I don’t know if he can learn to create for his teammates.
His work ethic and his athleticism give him a shot though, for sure.
He shot 48% during Blake's absence
I don’t see any signs of selfishness. I agree he doesn’t know when to try to score and when to pass, but he seems to be trying. Decision making takes practice.
by upper left corner on May 15, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
well, I'm told he shoots well in practice which is encouraging
if he shows an outside shot, he has a chance. He did look decent while Blake was out, but overall I thought he really looked horrible this season— he was given a couple chances to earn playing time when Blake came back and failed.
I’m not saying he’s selfish as much as that scoring is his comfort zone and he doesn’t seem comfortable looking to pass. Maybe he’ll be able to learn. Maybe not. We’ll see.
Again, he hasn’t played nearly enough minutes for me to write him off, but let’s just say I’m a long way from sold.
I think he would play better at a faster pace
He has the potential to be a Monta Ellis type guard if given the right situation and i like him but dont think this is the right situation. Thats why i think that New York would really like him and would be willing to give up some stuff for him. I think if they get a good draft posion we can trade our first round pick to them along with Trout , Sergio and Bayless for Chris Duhon, David Lee and a future draft pick
Maybe
I think the Blazers would like Bayless to be the guy that creates that fast tempo which Nate will only let him do, I suspect, if he can learn to limit turnovers and play good D. You may be right— Bayless might not fit in Nate’s system any better than Sergio does. Hard to say.
it confused me when they traded for him
I thought that we would go after Russel Westbrook instead because i dont think he fits our system at all. Either Nate needs to learn that we would be a good fast break team or we need to get rid of people like Bayless, Sergio and Rudy. I think Bayless would be excellent in the Fast Break offense. Maybe trade Bayless and Trout for David Lee and then try and trade for Hinrich also. Who knows but Bayless would be an All-Star type player in that system
Well, the cost to move up and get Westbrook might have been pretty steep
I actually see Westbrook and Bayless as pretty similar players stylistically. Whether Bayless can become as good as him, or even close, is up for debate though.
what about Bayless for Nash
it only makes sense for both teams. Nash can slow it down and play half court and has playoff experience. Bayless could be the Suns future starter and be a star there. Nash isnt getting any younger and by the talks of it this Suns team wont be together very long. The Suns dont have anybody in place to take over for Nash and i think Bayless could be the Monta Ellis of Phoenix. Put him with Barbosa, J-Rich and Amare for a year or two and he will be a star. He is great but dosent fit our style
Well, its an interesting thought
You’d have to add more players in the deal for salary purposes.
The problem is that Nash is 33 and past his best years, plus he offers very little on the defensive end. I think he has 1-2 years tops of being better than Blake. I don’t know if he can put the Blazers over the top.
I think it can work
I mean we defienetly need to think about who else would be in the deal but i think it would give us a couple of years to develop the point guard of our choice.
Maybe draft Eric Maynor this year and let him develop off the bench. He is a good player who is a true point guard like we want and i see him being a slower version of a Chris Paul
I didnt want Duhon over Bayless
I thought we could have both and see who plays better than we can move forward with the better fit. Im just not that high on Bayless. i havent ever seen him be a point guard who passes first. I hear he does but havent seen it yet
Bayless isn't a sure deal, but I think there is every reason to be optimistic.
There is a genuine and honest disagreement among the BEdge Faithful. I believe that a solid majority of fans believe that Bayless has a lot of potential and that it makes sense to give him the back-up minutes next fall. Some are willing to stand pat with Blake/Bayless. Some think that we need an immediate upgrade but hope that over time Bayless will become the starter.
There is also a sizable and highly vocal minority that does not think that Bayless is ever going to become a successful starting PG. Given that I belong to the first group, it is tempting to label those in the second group as the “Cult of the True Point”. However, that would be impolite so I will refrain. Many of these folks are willing to sell our players into slavery in order to acquire an adequately pointy point guard.
To me, it makes sense to upgrade, if we can get the right player at the right price. Hinrich is probably the most common target, but there is talk of Conley, Spencer, and even Arenas. If a fair deal is not forthcoming, I am willing to stand pat on Blake/Bayless. Either way, I think we have to give Bayless the back-up minutes to see what we have.
by upper left corner on May 15, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Has Bayless truly played the point
At arizona he was basically a scorer who used his athletic ability to get to the hoop. Where here he does the same. He isnt much of a passer that i have seen
Bayless averaged between 6-7 assists per game as a junior and senior in HS
He was expected to play point at UA but was moved. More details in another response to you.
by upper left corner on May 15, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You pobably wouldn't average 28.5 points per game to go with the assists
Bayless set a Arizona HS scoring record.
by upper left corner on May 15, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.
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by Philthyanimal on May 15, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What about the rest of the post
I think that Duhon would do ok in our offense and he is more of a true point guard thatn bayless. Bayless is not even a point guard. He didnt play point guard in college and its hard to think he will play in the NBA. I think that D’Antoni would love to have Bayless and i think that Duhon would fit well in our system. Blake could even run the first team. Who would you rather have??
Well if the Serge "sucks"
and has a higher PER than Duhon in a d’antoni system…what does that make duhon?
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by Philthyanimal on May 15, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think duhon is good
Do blazer fans think everybody not on our team sucks. he played well at the high college level and it wasnt a fast break offense. I think he is a good guy and you can mold him into a true point guard quicker than you could with Bayless
we don't think that
As a site we liked David Lee before he became untouchable, we liked Devin Harris and KP almost nabbed him…a good portion of this site wanted Calderon when he was still coming off the bench…and now Hinrich gets a lot of talk.
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by Philthyanimal on May 15, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont get it
Duhon played well and comes pretty cheap but you are talking about guys would we need to trade alot of our team for. Calderon and Harris are good players but cost a arm and a leg
at the time
they were discussed on BE they wouldn’t have costed much. if i recall correctly harris required trout and jack and some spare parts.
i don’t think duhon would really fit well with this team…and for what you wanted to give up to get him i’m not all that convinced it’d be that great either. bayless hasn’t shown much but if given trust i would like him over duhon…sergio who you think sucks had a marginally better PER for the season on a better team…which is noteworthy considering our slow pace vs new yorks fast pace. i dunno i guess i don’t value duhon as much as isiah thomas did.
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by Philthyanimal on May 15, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Duhon with blake around
Duhon and Blake are both free agent next season and i say you let them both on the team and then decide who to move forward with. I dont hink Blake has done anything to not be the starter. Duhon would be with the second unit and if we got HInrich or Andre Miller they would need to be the starter. I dont think Duhon would need that. If we decide to keep him he would have a year of knowing the offense under his belt before he had to run the team
Problem is, Duhon's not good.
Fans in Chicago CHEERED when he left. Fans in NYC even soured on him after his early burst of capitalizing on D’Antoni Ball™ wore off.
He’s a poor man’s Eric Snow. And Paul Allen ain’t that poor.
that's the point
Duhon really did not play that well. His traditional box score stats are inflated by NY’s pace. On a pace adjusted basis, his numbers are not very good at all.
So you wouldnt even want him as the Backup point for now
untill he can prove his way as the starter??
i guess to potentialy be the starter
and finally make a move to clear up the small forward battle.
i know i want to draft a small forward but T-Will isnt in contention to start and Trout is. I dont know what the exact deal would be cause im not a GM but we could make the deal to better our team.
To clear up the SF position, simply cut Outlaw.
His contract is non-guaranteed. Capspace is more valuable than some middling player(s).
I’m not advocating this course of action, but I’d rather do this than clog up something else.
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Our needs
are…Starting PG, Backup PF, and the icing on the cake would be Impact SF. Getting Duhon to come off the bench doesn’t really solve any of our needs, and only puts us further back in attaining those 3 positions.
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by Philthyanimal on May 15, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perfectyl summed up our needs.
+1
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I do not believe that Chris Duhon is a starting level pg.
it’s as simple as that. And frankly, I think all three of our pg’s have more value than Chris Duhon.
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by premthegrem on May 15, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He can be our backup
In the post i put that we should keep Blake and have him run the offense. We can throw Trout and Bayless into a trade with New York and get some future picks or something into the deal. Im no GM so i cant think of a perfect scenario to get back a good amount but i think Bayless could be like Monta Ellis in New Yorks Offense.
Duhon sucks
he’s Jarret Jack’c cousin btw, and an approximately equivalent player. Now, if only Webster could ball like his cousin Jason Terry…
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by HurraKane212 on May 16, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
You are repeating oft used misinformation
Bayless was a McDonald’s All-American point guard in HS. He averaged between 6-7 assists per game as a junior and senior. He was expected to be the starting PG at UA in the fall of his freshman year. The teams top SG got hurt and Bayless who was the best scorer was moved to SG but still managed 4.3 assists per game.
As a rookie, Bayless season assists stats are pretty lousy, 1.5 on 12 min of PT/game. However during the stretch when Blake was hurt and he got decent minutes he did much better averaging 4.0 assists/game on 20 min of PT/game. Bayless has all the physical tools to be a standout PG. The question is whether or not he has the court vision and decision making skills to get there.
Saying “he isn’t a PG” is just a line, one that gets repeated often with very little analysis to back it up.
by upper left corner on May 15, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I <3 you
Upper Left Corner. +1.
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As if Duhon's draft placement has any true value of his skill today?
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 16, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Duhon is bad.
He has a player efficiency rating of 12.27, which is 41st in the league among point guards and way below Sergio, Blake, Hinrich, , etc
He is terrible.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 15, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions
not to mention
his stats are inflated like a hot air balloon by playing in D’Antoni-we-are-going-to-put-up-150fga/g offense.
Converted to Portland assists Duhon averages less than Joel. FACT!!
I don’t get this guys obsession with The Landlord. Mcdyess would be such the better choice here as he is experienced and has already carved out his own groove in the NBA and since we have Freeland, we do not need to worry about him getting too old for our window. If he does get too old just sign another player like him.
I cant believe that we would trade a steady vet like Blake, one of the best 6th men and a top rook for Duhon and a salary dump.
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mcdyess.... drool....
but I think he likes Detroit
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by Honka Playboy on May 16, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Blake is better then Duhon
The only reason Duhon played real well this year is because he was playing for D’Antonni
It seems that everyone's real problem is they just don't drink enough coffee. They lose their edge, lose track of their priorities, and end up sleeping a third of their life away.
You could say that for alot of people
You could say that for Joe Johnson and look what he did. Steve Nash was a good point guard in Dallas but D’Antoni made him better. Maybe trade less for Duhon then but he did play well and he is worth a shot. What about the PF’s i suggested
He wasn't really better with D'Antoni.
In 06/07 he had the best season of his career. (PER=23.87) BUT it was still only slightly better than what he did in Dallas during his 2002-2003 season. (PER=23.51)
Overall his numbers were almost exactly the same, although his TS% did go up significantly.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 15, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know enough about the other guys.
Charlie Villanueva seems pretty great, but I’ve really only watched him play 3 or 4 times.
I do know that he has a disease that causes him to be hairless on his entire body. True story.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 15, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya i know
He is a good character guy and Shelden is a really good guy too. They come from good schools in UCONN and DUKE. I like T-Will too. He is a great defender. I think Duhon can be molded into a really good point guard. Nate is a good coach. I dont think he would hurt our team especially if Blake were on the team as well
See...
that’s the problem.
Duhon would be the 4th best PG on the team, behind Blake, Sergio, and probably Bayless. You can’t upgrade the position by getting a guy who isn’t as good as who you already have. It would be a downgrade.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 15, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Bayless havent proved anything
I think its a good idea to have somebody on the team you can mold into a starter in this league in the slow paced offense. I think Bayless is more a project in that regard.
He's a project
but I wouldnt’ be surprised to see huge gains next year, and again into his third year. He has some serious speed, and the strength to finish. When he gets an accurate jumper he will be very effective in our offense.
does it really matter what school they came from?
Shav went to Duke…So did Mc Bobberts.
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by Philthyanimal on May 15, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
I think Duhon can be molded into a really good point guard.
Right, because he hasn’t had a chance yet in the NBA.
Except for his failed years in Chicago and his mediocre year in NYC.
But he’s only a 5th year NBA vet (after a four year college career), so he probably has a lot of growing yet to do as a player. In fact, it’s pretty likely he’ll mature into a player like Kobe or Lebron. Or maybe Chris Paul or Deron Williams.
Or, in a best-case-scenario, Steve Blake.
What’s that I smell? Reality? Weird…freakin me out…
He was good in college wasnt he??
I thought he was because he did make the jump to the NBA right. Just making sure. I cant believe you would take Steve Blake over Duhon. Its crazy. Maybe you live up in the hills in oregon somwhere and dont get to watch much tv or something because the steve blake we watch is the best he will ever be. We need an upgrade and Duhon was a suggestion. Just like Andre Miller or Jason Kidd or Mike Bibby would be
Blake is better than Duhon
If you think Duhon is better, you are looking at the wrong numbers (ie not pace adjusted). Chris Duhon is not an upgrade over Blake. He just isn’t.
what is it with the BEdge people and numbers
Just because somebody has better numbers dosent always make him the better player. You have to take a lot of things into account. Who was on the court with him if somebody else had a bad night stuff like that. The blazers were far better than the Knicks this year and that would lead to better numbers for our point guard compared to theres. I think that if you played basketball before you would know its not about the numbers
I have watched plenty of Knicks games also
Duhon is not a good player at all. He plays bad defense, is a mediocre shooter, has a poor assist/turnover ratio for a point guard, etc. It amazes me that you think he is a guy worth targeting. He’s a journey-man who was really bad in Chicago. D’Antoni made him look decent, but really he shouldn’t be a starting point guard.
Blake is substantially better.
haha im sure you have never played ball in your life
if somebody can get 22 assists in a NBA game i think that they are a starter in the league. he just needed to prove it more often. Kobe Bryant shot 46%f from the field and Duhon shot 42% does that make Kobe a horrible player. NO you are going to give some excuse to make your point somehow valid still
so by your logic
wouldn’t Blake be better, since he had 14 assists in one quarter? That’s better than 22 in a game.
draft rodrigue beaubois
NO i think having better stats is good logic
You want to throw all these stats in but did you notice that most of Duhons were better thatn Blake’s. Everytime something is found that is showing that a Blazer player may be not that great you somehow band together to try and prove me wrong. Plain and simple dosent matter what offense they played or what defense they faced Duhon had better stats.
I reccomend you take a look at the advanced stats available on basketball-reference.com
here’s a comparison. Blake’s advanced stats are substantially better. Note in particular Duhon’s high turnover rate. This is not a player Nate McMillan would like.
Hahah awesome
I think that if you played basketball before you would know its not about the numbers
if somebody can get 22 assists in a NBA game i think that they are a starter in the league.
we do need a an upgrade over blake
but duhon is not good. you can do a poll on a national site or this one, and blake would win in each one.
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by Philthyanimal on May 22, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
but he's a starter in the NBA?
haha you are funny
I have no idea how you can say that somebody starting for the Blazers has no potential. He is a starter in the NBA he has potential. Its his damn job to play basketball and you can say he isnt good. Your no good. Come on man.
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by HurraKane212 on May 17, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
In chicago they had tons of PGs
If you look he has improved every year he has been in the league. In chicago they had Hinrich, Gordon and Duhon who all needed there time on the court. Duhon played pretty well when given the chance. He decided to go somewhere else when the Bulls decided to keep Hinrich and draft Rose. He played pretty good in New York and averaged 11ppg and 7apg. While Blake averaged 9ppg and 5apg
Having spent time in Milwaukee watching the Bucks,
Outlaw and Villanueva are nearly the same player, except Outlaw hits threes and Villanueva gets rebounds. I actually like Outlaw’s defense better, even against banger 4’s. I might even like Blake’s defense against banger 4’s better than Villanueva, but I exaggerate (somewhat). Both make the same plays that aggravate the fan base. At BEST, this is a sideways move.
Added to Duhon’s suspicious statistics in a fast-paced system, This gets a little worrisome. As pointed out above, in a pace as slow as ours, Eric Snow would give Duhon a run for his money statistics-wise [once again, exaggerated to make my point look more important than it is]. Nevertheless, I’d rather take my chances developing Bayless for one more year than trying to throw a PG at the wall and hope he sticks. Blake was serviceable. Great, no. But serviceable.
And if Minnesota, bottom-dwelling Minnesota, is not interested in keeping Sheldon Williams as a backup without paying him the minimum, why would we? I ask this one in all seriousness. Nice guy or not, we can do better than that. With the #24 pick if nothing else.
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i totally disagree
Shelden Williams isnt wanted there because he cant score. You even said Villanueva is a player that can score and Williams is a defense guy. Get them both for a cheaper price and they make a good combo at the backup PF postion. Alot better choice than McDyess who cant even jump anymore
Outlaw can score too.
In the same way. Crazy, frustrating shots, that taken often enough sometimes go in. That, and less defense than Outlaw. Williams and Villanueva can’t both be the backup PF at the same time. Unless you have 80 timeouts a game.
On top of that, Villanueva is not going to be comfortable in a backup role playing spot minutes. Certainly not behind Aldridge. He might make some trouble being used that infrequently. He’s been a go-to guy since Redd and Bogut went down. Like Outlaw would be if Roy and Aldridge were to go down to injury.
As far as Williams being a deffense guy, I guess I’ll take your word for it. I haven’t seen him play enough to tell if you’re right or not.
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Wow, that almost made sense.
But not quite. Gotta stop changing the subject of the paragraph without reintroducing it.
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You have seen him more than i have so i cant argue
If you say he is crappy version of outlaw then i cant argue. I thought he might help us out but i guess not. I think shelden can help us though. Williams ia good big body who can defend and is a banger but he cant score at all.
Villanueva is not a bad player.
He can certainly score, which is what one needs to do to win basketball games. I think that his deficiencies mirror Outlaw so much that it hardly makes it worth the hassle.
Of all the things that can be expressed in the printed word – love, hate, fear, joy – true humor is the one that is the most difficult of all. Sarcasm, for example, is an art of delicate subtlety. Yet too many people wield it as a bulldozer – loud, smelly, ugly, and destructive – and think they are being funny.
He is bigger than outlaw isnt he
and i thought about him playing the 4 behind L.A. and breaking up the jumble we have at the 3
Charlie Villanueva is a soft, lazy, defensively inept combo forward who's similar to ...
Travis Outlaw stylsitically. Despite the slight difference in height between them, they’re almost carbon copies of each other.
Havent really seen much of him play
all i know is he is a free agent PF who can score. I know he is soft but so is majority of our team anyway. I trust what you say in that he is a travis outlaw type player. I h
Yeah, Charlie Villanueva and Travis Outlaw suffer from the same drawbacks like lazy ...
defense, inefficient shooting, tweener status at forward, and fairly low basketball IQ. As far as I’m concerned, somebody who understands basketball would recognize that fact within a few minutes of watching those two guys play the game. You, sir, understand basketball.
Are we crossing the line?
seems like a lot of the posts are getting deleted.
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
no the other posts get deleted because nobody is on them
My posts get deleted because people dont like my ideas anyway and then nobody posts them anyway
no the comments on this thread seem to be deleted i think.
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by Philthyanimal on May 15, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
comments deleted
I am fairly new to this site and dont know how to do that. if somebody deleting them it aint me
Realistic offseason options?
I see Roy-Batum-Aldridge-Oden being the lineup of the future. Pritchard’s repeated confidence in Bayless, who he has liked since high school, probably means that Jerryd is the project point of the future.
That leaves two holes: veteran starting point guard and backup 4.
For the veteran point, Hinrich and Miller are probably attainable. I doubt we see much more than a move to get a point guard in that realm.
draft rodrigue beaubois
Bayless need to be in a fast break offense
I think he would excel in a fast break offense similar to Phoenix and New York. I think maybe a deal Bayless and Travis Outlaw and a 2nd rounder for Steve Nash, Alando Tucker and a1st round pick next year. Phoenix is in transition to a new team. They tried to trade Amare and Shaq is getting older and Nash is getting older so they would make this deal. Tucker has proved anything yet and would be a bench player for us. It makes sense for the Suns they get there point guard for the future and a great fast paced team. Bayless, Barbosa, Richardson, Stoudamire and Shaq sounds pretty good to me.
Devin Harris and Tony Parker are somewhat similar to Bayless in style
and they don’t play in super fast offenses.
The team won’t be blown up this summer. We might see a veteran added at low cost, but I doubt Bayless traded.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 16, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Parke and Harris are better shooters
There games dont rely on them to get to the rim as much as Bayless’s offensive skills do. I compare him more to Monta Ellis than i do Tony Parker or Devin Harris. I just think that we can get Nash for Bayless and i think KP would do that if we could draft a PG like Eric Maynor to work under Nash and Blake. I say that if KP can find a trade that we could keep Blake and get Nash then it would be nice then we could have a good backup point guard in Blake. We could sign a backup PF from there. Maybe use our second round picks to get back in the first round and take Dejuan Blair or stay in the second round and get Josh Heytvelt or Jeff Pendergraph
Parker and Harris were both terrible shooters early in their careers.
Ellis has a terrific midrange jump shot.
As a prospect Bayless is special because of the attention he pays to defense. It’s still raw but you can tell he cares about that part of the game and does a great job of staying in front of his man. On the offensive end he may be similar to Ellis, but to me he’s a more intriguing player because he has the potential to be a MUCH more complete player.
Personally I think he’s pretty similar to a young Devin Harris. Maybe not in production, but at least in his skill set.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 16, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
other than the shooting percentages
Bayless compares fairly well with Harris’ rookie year.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 16, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Pendergraph
Regarding Bayless, it’s a little too soon to say that he can’t shoot, especially in comparison to Parker and Harris. They were both pretty poor shooters their rookie years.
Most people around the team claim that Bayless is indeed a good shooter. Ben also stated this in the last BE podcast. Personally, I watched Bayless warm up before Game 2 of the Houston series and he shot the highest percentage of any Blazer. He nailed pull up jumpers, threes, and floaters pretty consistently.
I want to give him a summer.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 16, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait.
I have a feeling the Bayless bandwagon is going to be overflowing next year.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 16, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I feel pretty strongly that he has to be given one summer to work on his game. He was good when given consistent minutes this year, so I want to see him getting 18-20 minutes a game, probably. Might as well figure out what we have in Bayless, even if it costs us a few wins.
In the end, he has the physical tools and desire to be great. He has the speed of the quick NBA point guard and the body of Chauncey Billups.
Team Bayless was strong in July, but membership has dwindled… I do expect some bandwagon climbing around December.
draft rodrigue beaubois
I think brining in another point guard would take minutes away
Why would people want another guard then if they want to develop bayless. I hope he is great cause i like his work ethic and hope he can change into a good guard
I like jerryd and hope he is a fit
He is a good guy and everything just think that he would be a better fit in Phoenix. If i were them i would jump all over this deal.
i did'nt really want to do this but
my new whipping boys now are the bay*bayfanboys contigent,geez all of the sudden this kid is the 2.nd coming of iverson.really bay&bayfanboys.so he was so great how come he could’nt beat out the bopsie twins,sergio*blake.yeah bayless was great in summer league vs d*leaguers and 12.th men at the end of an nba bench.
ha
I’m not saying he’ll be great, just saying that he still does have potential and he works hard.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 16, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
you fanboys
really know how to pick em,out of curiosity,is there any blazers you guys despise other than poor outlaw as the scapegoat.you fanboys really know how to pick em boy.let’s see the 3 guys you people seem to worship in this site.
1)-webster-very inconsistent at best
2)-oden-injury prone&foul prone at best
3)-bayless-could’nt even beat out the bopsie twins sergio&blake.
and by the way,you guys are batting under 200=the mendoza line you fanboys keep on whiffing and missing.i’ll keep siging the praises of my franchise(b.roy)book that fanboys of oden martell and bayless.
but he sure can knock em
down. I remember when he was complaining that people who think rudy > MJ are out of their minds, not realizing those people were being facetious. Now fatty <3’s Rudy. Don’t worry he will have supported Greg and Bayless all along come next summer.
"Death is not final," Gita says. "If any man thinks that he slays, and if another thinks that he is slain, neither knows the truth. The Eternal in man cannot kill: the Eternal in man cannot die. The soul in man is neither born nor does it die. Weapons cannot cut it; fire cannot burn it; water cannot drown it.
The Bhagavad Gita
by Idog1976 on May 17, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No way I give up
Bayless, sergio and Outlaw for Duhon, he is just not worth that much.
Jsnake – check Bayless’s numbers from when Blake was out, he shot 48% over all, and even showed he could hit the outside shot hitting over 41% of the ones he took during that time. Which shows he is productive when he gets minutes, a common them for NBA players, I think Bayless would be way more productive for the Blazers as a starter vs coming off the bench, even if he only played 20-25 mins a game in that role. Either way, he needs to get 20 mins a game next year so this team can figure out what they got in him.
As for trade/FA options at the point, Hinrich is the best shot this team has at getting exactly what us fans have been asking for over the last 3+ years. He can run the team, hit the 3, drive the lane, play the off guard when Roy takes over, play good defense, run the fast break, throw the lob, and find the open man off the drive. The Blazers would win 55-60 games with him as the starter and Bayless as the back up, even if they made no additional changes to the teams rotation. Hopefully KP can make the deal.
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