The What Would It Take To Get CP3 Contest
by MiledAnimal on May 15, 2009 10:37 AM PDT
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I like Steve Blake, but he's not the best point guard in the world, and Blazer fans expect the best. There's lots of talk about Kirk Hinrich, but the problem is that he isn't the best PG either. If he becomes a Blazer, sooner or later he will get torched for 40 by Tony Parker, or commit a turnover, or fail to get the ball into an open Blazer's hands, and when that happens the honeymoon will be over and poor Kirk will receive the type of opprobrium typically reserved for the Lakers, serial murderers, and underperforming Blazer players.
I propose therefore that we cut to the chase and do whatever it takes to get the best point guard in the game, Chris Paul, on our team. Blazer fans will hate him too soon enough, but because he is the best point guard available there will be fewer trade suggestions. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to come up with a trade proposal KP could make to New Orleans that would pry CP3 away from their greedy, hive-stained fingers. And unlike other, less-special fanposts, this one is a contest and it will have a winner, and the winner will receive bragging rights but I'm not providing a Blazer t-shirt or anything so don't get too excited.
Paul begins the first year of his four-year, $63.6 million contract extension on July 9. You can find Blazer salaries here. Open the teams combo box on that page and select New Orleans to see Hornets salary info.
A few factoids
New Orleans is in a world of luxury tax hurt the next two seasons if they don't unload some salaries. Tyson Chandler has a chronic turf toe that aborted his trade to Oklahoma City in February. Peja Stojakovic has a chronic bad back, and James Posey has been a disappointment. Morris Petersen and Antonio Daniels create no buzz in the Hive. The Hornets need help on the wings and depth. Even if they keep Chandler, they could use another big man, too.
A few ground rules
- Propose a serious trade that works for both sides. Blake plus Travis and our first-round pick is a nice little homer fantasy but Hornets owner George Shinn wouldn't do that deal or anything like it even if his mother was being held hostage by terrorists and that was the ransom demand. CP3 is The Franchise in New Orleans. They need a deal that will clearly make them better. At the same time, we need to have enough players left after the deal that we can justify it on our end.
- All Blazer players are trade bait, including B-Roy. We'd love to see him and Paul together in the Blazer backcourt, but is such an outcome even possible?
- Make sure a trade for Paul works under the CBA. The ESPN trade machine should help: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Choosing the winner
The winner will be the most realistic, most doable proposal that gets the most recs. There's no deadline, but you might want to hold-off reccing anyone until a few proposals come in.
KP will be watching the results closely and pitching the winner to Hornets management, so give him a deal he can sell to both teams and let the chips fall where they may.
Good luck!
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CP3 is better than Roy
… Shinn can’t trade him, because it would devalue his franchise and he would lose megamillions…
It would have to be a RLEC 2010 (max contract), Joel, Travis, Bayless, LaMarcus for Peja/Paul type of deal.
Paul is already the second best point guard of all time, statistically. He’s worth a lot.
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by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So we gotta GIVE a lot
I’m talking involving Joel, which we always swore we’d never do.
M.
by Mortimer on May 15, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is better than CP3
Their career paths are pretty close as they have developed, with both taking a big leap in their 3rd year. You will see BRoy become a monster next year, as the unstoppable scorer we saw in the playoffs will be on display every night. One is a PG and the other is a SG, I want both but if I could have only one, I take Roy, but not for what he is, which is pretty damn good, but for what he will become, which is scary.
Nothing you can say that will change my mind.
by usmcr3049 on May 15, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't CP3 have just as much room to improve?
Roy’s injury issues and average defense are worrisome. That’s not to say that he isn’t absolutely awesome, because he is.
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by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simple
Portland Sends: Blake, Przybilla, Bayless, Outlaw, Two draft picks, and a photo of Shinn making out with his mother.
Hornets send: Paul and whatever filler it’d take to work money wise.
by Zaig on May 15, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How to get the photo?
And is she alive? It might be better if she is dead and it has a graveyard setting to add to our leverage in the deal.
We can take every bad contract they have, we give them whoever isn’t named Oden or Roy, and start getting our fingers sized for multiple rings.
If I wasn’t lazy I’d think up some 3 or 4 way trades where we take all the bad salaries of everyone, NO gets young good talent, and another team gets rid of some badness as well in thanks for helping out. And we get CP3.
And Hornet fans turn their back on the team, they move to Seattle, become the Sonics, and we all win.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on May 15, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't make the same mistake I did
use Storyteller’s salary info, especially for Blazers salaries.
by usmcr3049 on May 15, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
one thing making this basically impossible
is that CP3 will be a base year compensation player next year, making him all but untradeable. However I will still give it a look to see the possibilities.
by usmcr3049 on May 15, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please refresh our memory
regarding what base-year compensation status means, usmcr.
by MiledAnimal on May 15, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's quite complicated
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically it means
that for trade purposes Paul’s contract isn’t worth as much as it actually it.
Pauls actually contract next season is $13,758,000, but for trades it only counts as $6,879,000. But as I have look at possible trades between the two teams, this might actually help them vs hurting them. See my post below.
by usmcr3049 on May 15, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how it is affected by the Blazer cap space.
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by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does effect it
depending on the trade deal made.
Basically for the trade it only counts at $6,879,000, but the Blazers would still have to fit his whole salary, $13,758,000 under their cap to make it work.
by usmcr3049 on May 15, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But won't the BYC
status of Paul change after the draft?
by tingeyga on May 15, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
it takes effect in the first year of the deal. This past season was the last year of Paul’s rookie deal… his max contract begins this summer.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that he's better then BRoy
To me it’s a wash but we have depth at the 2 so you would have to think about it. I think the Hornets think CP3 is better though and will want even more. So NO
by We-B-Dunkin on May 15, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy v. Paul
Paul is already having some of the best point guard stat seasons ever… I’d take him over Roy, especially given our SG depth.
There is the comparison… I love Roy, but CP3’s season was just unreal. He carried a craptacular team to 49 wins.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get CP3
we would have to be New Orleans
Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview
by JWise on May 15, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or go back in time a few years
And draft him.
by Zaig on May 15, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we did that
we might not be in position to draft roy or lma
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 15, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
structure a deal with Washington if they get the 2 pick
send Rubio to New Orleans, along with Rudy…
kinda like what I did in the LeBron James trade topic
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by cloudydays on May 15, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Due to economic conditions...
the leauge contracts and 4 unprofitable and/or unsightly teams are eliminated. Hornets, Clippers, Thunderers and Lakers. I’m not sure how the dynamics of the resulting draft would work, but needless to say, the Blazers wind up with Chris Paul.
Somebody tell me this isn’t the most plausible method.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on May 15, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
most plausible
is to offer them Roy, Oden, Bayless, Batum, and Rudy, offering to eat all of their bad contracts.
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by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...leaving us with Chris Paul and the Seven Dwarves,
which means it’s not plausible at all.
by MiledAnimal on May 15, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is no plausible deal
NO would demand Roy and talent. They probably wouldn’t take all of our young talent, but it would be Roy and at least two other pieces.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok so here is my best attempt at a deal for CP3
Just to be clear, I can’t see the Hornets doing this deal, or any deal for CP3.
Blazers get
CP3 $6,879,000 (BYC player, salary for trades is 50% of actual salary)
Peja $13,392,000
Total package value $20,271,000
Hornets get
Oden $5,361,240
Rudy $1,118,760
Outlaw $3,600,000
Webster $4,319,654
Blake $4,000,000
Sergio $1,576,696
Total package value: $19,976,350
The trade works under salary cap rules as far as I can see, even though the Blazers are under the cap, the Hornets are not and can’t take back any more or less than 120% +$125K.
Possible reasons:
If the Hornets are going to trade CP3, they will include at least one bad contract, either Peja, (2 years left) or Chandler, (2 years left) and since Joel and Chandler can never be on the same team, we get Peja. This trade would not return the same value to the Hornets, so they must be forced into it by some means, but it does give them good value in return if they believe in Oden and Rudy. If not then it is just a bunch of potential talent traded for actual talent.
As far as salary cap relief, this trade could possibly take them from their current $78 million, which is about $8 million over the projected salary cap line, to $71 million, if they cut both Blake and Outlaw it would be reduce to about $63 million, which is under the salary tax line. If they don’t cut anyone they would have 15 players under contract, before they sign their first pick, which they would have to trade or not sign. So someone is getting cut, most likely Blake or Outlaw.
As for the Blazers it would leave them pretty thin, with basically no bench, but a very powerful starting 4 and a half.
CP3/Bayless
Roy
Peja/Batum
LMA
Joel
Those 7 men would be the only players under contract for next year, the teams salary cap number would be just over $56 million before draft picks, contract holds, exception holds, etc… Which means the Blazers would have some ability to fill out their roster with free agents, and draft picks.
The Blazers would have to get some depth via free agency at SG, C, SF, and PF, that is alot of holes to fill. Peja will go down, so the only realistic thing we can count on at the 3 is Batum, I would make a play for Grant Hill or Ariza, then look for cheap options for the front court like Chris Mihm, McDyess, Joe Smith, or even resigning Channing Frye or Shav Randolph.
I don’t think this trade would make the Blazers championship contenders next year, unless they got pretty lucky in the draft or free agency and picked up some pieces. Infact this team might be worse then the team they would field if they just left it alone.
by usmcr3049 on May 15, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, for this year
but titles are built on the backs of top-ten players. If you have an opportunity to trade young talent for the 23-year-old who is the second best player in the league, you do it. KP has shown an aptitude for finding talented role players late in the draft.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 15, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
after thinking this through more
I am not sure I did the BYC part of the trade right. The outgoing package for the Hornets does add up to $20,271,000, but the incoming package for the Blazers would include Paul’s full salary, so the incoming salary would be $27,150,000, which would put the Blazers cap number at the $56 million number I stated, but that is before picks/holds/etc.. When you put them into the number it comes up to $62,871,869, which is over the projected $57.3 million dollar cap. For the Blazers to make this deal, I believe they would have to renounce channing frye for sure, which would take them down to $58,607,108. So depending on what the actual cap would be, they might have to renounce Joel Freeland and Petteri to make the deal even possible to complete, and that doesn’t even take into account their salary cap exceptions like the Mid-leve and bi-annual, not sure if they would have to renounce those as well, but they might. And if they did that would put a big cramp into them filling out the roster with any type of good players.
by usmcr3049 on May 15, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great effort, usmcr.
The Hornets would field:
Blake//Daniels/Sergio (if they keep Blake)
Rudy/Peterson/Posey
Martell/Outlaw/Posey
West/Outlaw
Oden/Chandler
That roster has a strong frontline and shooters on the wings. They’d grab a lot of rebounds and have a great interior defense. There would be a huge drop at point, of course, but they’d have much better depth and no serious holes in the lineup. The only question is whether Shinn loves saving money enough to do this deal.
by MiledAnimal on May 15, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had a chance to get Chris Paul
we missed that chance.
by jksnake99 on May 15, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We should burn an effigy of Nash and Patterson in front of the Rose Garden for every year CP3 plays better than our PG :)
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
by Norsktroll on May 15, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have some holes in our roster when you look at our players´ names. But we do have a player with a name starting with P.
"They didn't know it was impossible, so they did it"
by amlmart1 on May 15, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Deron Williams!
by Sabonis4Ever on May 15, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haw about:
blake, sergio, travis, joel, martel, 2 1st rounders, koponen, freeman
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 15, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For the Hornets, that would be like trading one .357 Magnum
for a couple of BB guns, a slingshot, a baseball bat, and a handful of dirt clods.
by MiledAnimal on May 15, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You shoot the guy wth the magnum in the eye with a BB gun
Slingshot him in the balls when he’s on the ground, bash his head till your bat is covered with brains, and bury him in the dirt clods.
THE TRADE WORKS.
Mortimer, tradeologist.
by Mortimer on May 15, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd give up our Oregonian co-beat writer, Joe Freeman?!
You’re crazy!
We should use British PF, Joel Freeland. The Hornets got their own beat writers.
Morty
by Mortimer on May 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and throw in all our second rounders
money, and a player to be named later
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 15, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOOK DOWN, NOT JUST LEFT OR RIGHT BUT BOTH.
That is what you have to give up to get Chris Paul.
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by newbergfan on May 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont have enough time right now but... i'm gunna give it a quick shot anyhow.
for starters, even for cp3, i’m pretty sure broy/LA/Oden are off the table, which makes a deal highly unlikely BUUUUUUUT remember we are the ones with cap space and oodles of money, they are the ones in the hurt…
that being said i really don’t think there is a deal between just these two teams available that wont either A) cripple the blazers or B) Be totally lopsided in the blazers advantage
the closest i could possibly come up with is
Przy/Rudy/Outlaw/Blake/Sergio
for
CP3/Peja
i think this would work with the cap space we have, but dont quote me on it… still i’m not sure either team would do it.
the hornets would have
Blake/Daniels/Sergio
Rudy/Butler/Peterson
Posey/Wright
West/Outlaw
Chandler/Przy/Armstrong
and asuming we resign frye in this situation the blazers would have
CP3/Bayless
Roy/Webster/Bayless
Batum/Webster/Peja
LA/Frye
Oden/Frye
basically this trade would give portland the best starting five in the nba but kill their depth, which was their biggest strength this past season, and for the hornets it would give them some incredible depth but take away their stinger (haha) in CP3…
anyhow, this is my attempt at it.. sheesh, thanks for distracting me….
Free Sergio... no really, please, take him.
by eyeotiger on May 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
I played around with trade machine til I got something that works, though whether it works in real life, I’m not sure, so be kind… Used Washington for 3 way. I think that works for them in cost saving mode.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pq6r7l
Portland gets CP3, Haywood, etc.
NO gets Arenas, Pryz, and Rudy.
Washington gets Chandler, Blake, Sergio, and Trout etc.
No way to toss in 1st rounders, but trading 1st rounders would be on the table as well, no way for me to confirm.
by hobbyshop_hero on May 15, 2009 5:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh, I got the following error message when I clicked your link:
There is a known issue when loading previously saved trade involving 3 or more teams using Internet Explorer 6.0. We are unable to load the trade requested due to this error. If possible, you can either upgrade your browser or try using another browser such as Firefox. Thank you for your understanding as we work on a resolution to this problem.
Weird.
by MiledAnimal on May 15, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take their advice
I use Firefox, and it works great. Not to mention is was developed in Oregon. Sorry.
The gist of the trade is laid out in my comments. I really don’t trust the trade machine anyway, nor would I pull the trigger on the trade.
by hobbyshop_hero on May 15, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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