Joel Przybilla: NOT Untradeable
by jbm01 on May 14, 2009 2:04 PM PDT
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PrintLets face the facts.. Kevin Pritchard has made a statement at the trade deadline that the team chemistry comes first... and that he is looking to add pieces which will help us in the long run... the really long run, and not just guarantee us a championship in the next 3 years. We're looking towards building a dynasty, one that will still be in contention for the championship in 10 years.
As much as we all love Przybilla for his hustle, daily effort, his interior D and the fact that he really was the glue of this team in the season, I think that he is entering his prime and will probably start declining about 2-3 years from now. Dont get me wrong, he will surely provide us with his best effort in this span, and will continue to contribute even after that period of time. But what im saying is that if we are faced with an opportunity to add a missing piece that we seriously need and would help us in the long run, and Joel is the key in such a trade, I think we should seriously consider it. I think that after this season, Joel's stock has risen after teams have seen how good of a center he can be, and any playoff team would probably consider snatching him away from us, but the question is: At what cost ? I think its safe to say no playoff team looking to improve would ever trade away its franchise player... but a lottery team desperate to make its way into the playoffs would surely consider making a sacrifice in order to acquire a center of Joel's caliber.
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Absolutely, depending on who was offered. Can’t think of anyone we could realistically get where he would be a deciding factor though.
Somethine like Blake + Przybilla for Hinrich is no thanks.
Somethign like Blake + Przybilla for CP3 won’t happen.
Soo yeah.
I agree that we may trade him
but it’s highly unlikely and he’s more “untradeable” than Rudy (Rudy’s value is higher).
That’s one step forward.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
Touché...
I still think it’s in the wrong direction.
by hobbyshop_hero on May 14, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I would agree that trading Joel would be going in the wrong direction.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
Nobody is untradeable, not even Roy
Of course, in Roy’s case the only player I’d trade him straight up for without a 2nd thought is Chris Paul, but still… any player is available for the right price.
I’d be very reluctant to trade Joel, but obviously you do it if you have the chance to get a superstar.
2nd player = Lebron
He is just that good these days and we could easily move Rudy to starting 2 guard and Martell could be backup 2. Regardless, the odds of Lebron even wanting to come to Portland are 0, so yeah.
Howard (Oden)
Wade (Injury history)
Kobe (Age + same PER these days as Roy)
These 3 all have issues that make them no nos for a straight up trade.
I wouldnt
I want this team to win with Roy as The Man
while i think CP3 is better than Roy the only player I would trade him for is Lebron.
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
Bayless sucks! Trade him; or at least stop the annoying bayless homerism. his best case is gilbert arenas which is something the blazers don't want and don't need. He was a KP mistake.
I don't think he's a rocket surgeon
but Lebron seems intelligent.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
I think he's a moron because I read an interview with him about Muhammed Ali.
He was utterly clueless as to why Ali was the greatest of all time. Lebron opined that he’d like to be like Ali, but seemed to conceptualize it in terms of his fame and bravado. What he left out was that Ali was willing to risk his career, his freedom, and his personal safety to speak the truth about our society and help change it.
Not that Lebron should have to do all that—it’s just that he flat out didn’t get what Ali was about.
No. Because he's spouting off about things he doesn't understand on TV...
…is why he’s a moron. And your avatar is missing it’s unicorn.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
Maybe he knows a lot more about Ali than you think
but it didn’t pertain to that part of the conversation? I didn’t read it so it’s hard even to play the defense attorney here. Or was it on TV?
A unicorn would look appropriate there all right. Cheesy, but appropriate. There is a solitary figure walking on the beach but it doesn’t show in the avatar.
Brain Fart.
I meant to respond to a guy who said he’d trade BRoy for Chris Paul.
the only player I’d trade him straight up for without a 2nd thought is Chris Paul
So you’d have a 2nd thought about Lebron? (as if)
two4larue’s “untouchable” rankings
Roy
Aldridge
Oden
Przybilla
Batum
Rudy
Blake
Webster
Bayless
All players below this level are “on the bubble”
hmmm, somehow I temporarily forgot about LeBron
Yes, would make that swap without a 2nd thought.
I think Oden is still more untouchable than Aldridge.
It's a toss-up
I don’t expect either of them to be going anywhere, anytime soon.
But there’s no one on the roster like Joel who’s ready to play PF if LMA can’t go, so as of right now I give the edge to LMA. Hopefully next year they’ll be no debate and GO will be the clear-cut #2 guy
webster belings in the number 4 spot....just say'in.
He’s gonna blow up this next season and if it ain’t on our team we’ll be sorry, he’ll be makin people say ….oh yeah and then there’s brandon… but webster will be the realness next season. Doubt it. I dare you.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
belongs..... it's been a long day......
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
k you and me out side NOW!!!
j/k kk I’ll remember you and I had this talk. :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
And Batum, despite his age, played pro ball overseas.
Martell played in a HS in Seattle.
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
whoop there it is.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
still
Batum was better as a 20 year old rookie than Martell was as a 21 year old 3rd year pro. It boggles my mind that people think Webster has a brighter future than Batum. Martell is a slightly better shooter and a slightly better defensive rebounder. Batum is better at literally everything else you can do on a basketball court.
Agreed.
But I don’t think we should count Webster out yet. He can shoot. He’s a big, strong, athletic type. I think he could help put a body on LeBron (who we have to agree is our biggest obstacle to a championship).
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
I doubt Marty's going anywhere
Trade value at all-time low, due to injury
Coaches/KP like him
Recently-signed affordable extension
I like the prospects of the Webster-Batum SF position, going forward
(Travis is the odd man out)
Trading Joel might be the only way to get the missing piece
It seems we had 4 tiers of performer last season:
Bucket 1: Performed with reasonable consistency or better: Roy, LMA, Joel
Bucket 2: role player as team 3rd scorer: Rudy, Steve, Travis
Bucket 3: Breakout games mixed with inconsistency: Greg, Nick, Sergio
Bucket 4: Helped us win a few games: Rex, Channing
We are unlikely to trade Roy or LMA, and we want to keep Joel another year or two at a minimum while Greg grows from bucket 3 to bucket 1. But Joel might be the only piece we can trade that can land a big enough fish in return to satisfy Roy’s dream of contending next season, because none of the other players have as yet demonstrated sufficient value. (Then again, maybe we don’t need a big fish—just a wily one—to contend next season).
I am not asserting we have to trade Joel to get someone good in return, but rather that such a move has to be seriously examined, even if the conclusion of this exercise at the end is “don’t do it.”
You forgot the upper tier
Ruffin
This year is NOT a building season!!
by collectiveshane on May 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
problem is
you just became amazingly weak at center. Based on Oden this year, I don’t have faith in him next year and i see the team taking a step back without pryz. Year after that maybe, but the guy has stayed with portland. It’s a business and it seems like a crummy way to repay him when he could have had a ring with the spurs but stayed because he felt this team was special.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
thank-you ratbastird
welcome home by the way dude,again odenfanboys draming the dream.can the bigboy prove himself to his teammates please.geez this is why guys like me bag on you guys.because you guys jump in the pool,before the guy can prove himself.
Yawns
Oden proved himself as a guy who will put up numbers when he isn’t in foul trouble. There isn’t any doubt about this.
That said, you don’t give up arguably the best backup C in the NBA for nothing. Those 4 guys for Rubio is waaaay too much unless we get something else back that is pretty nice. That also leaves us with Rubio/Sergio at PG, neither who is a starter yet.
I also am very high on Gortat
I should have cut it a little with baking soda.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Ah yes,
lines of Polish Hammer runnin’ though my brain,
maybe just one more will help ease the pain.
A champion douche has “swagger, intensity”
But now I’m just a loser with douchy propensities.
By: “Kevin Garnett.”
~HK212
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on May 18, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
That I wouldnt suggest
Giving up on our 2 most experienced players, along with our 6th man and a player with Bayless’ potential for a PG of Rubio’s age would be a disaster. We would end up with less experience then we had comming into this season.
Not me
Crazy price for a skinny 18 year old with suspect shooting. He is going to be good, but great is not a sure deal, and it may take several seasons.
Three rotation players and our most promising non-rotation player is TOO MUCH.
by upper left corner on May 15, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally
This year is NOT a building season!!
by collectiveshane on May 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
B's number will be retired in Portland, he's not going anywhere
Joel on the other hand probably won’t be traded, there isn’t much noise on the market wanting a center his age with the amount of playoff experience he has. His importance to the team is way higher than anything we would receive inexchange.
Portland loves Joel...
But he ain’t getting his number retired, unless…
1. He’s a starter for a world-championship winning team.
2. He works on his offense every season until he can score nightly in double digits to go with double-digit rebounds.
3. He wins some kind of national award like Defensive Player of the Year a few times.
Pick two of three, mix and match. Though with the way the Blazers retire numbers, #1 might be enough on its own.
timmay
i can very easily see pryzbilla as the starter for the champion blazers.at least he can be counted on seriously.amd if they do win a title his #er will definately be retired.because he was here during the darkest days of this franchise.
zaig...cummon now...
ya can’t doubt oden some # of comments above then praise him starting over the guy you were defending…that’s just bad form man…and it makes it seem like your hounding fatty.
none of my business but ….that’s just what I see.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Ummm
*Oden proved himself as a guy who will put up numbers when he isn’t in foul trouble. There isn’t any doubt about this.
That said, you don’t give up arguably the best backup C in the NBA for nothing.*
How exactly is this doubting Oden? I said he already proved himself. I also said Joel is arguably the best BACKUP Center in the league. Backup implies he will be behind Oden. In other words, you’re seeing things.
?? but uh...Joel started the majority of last season...
so who’s the back up? when he’s (greg) not in foul trouble….indicating he’s not able to stay on the floor, meaning joel started for a reason. who’s the back up again? Thats right, Oden that’s who. N until he proves he can stay consistantly on the floor just baggin away on fatty for being fatty. not seeing things I see fine. so says my optomitristitit fellow.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Oden won't start
He shouldn’t have started last season, he won’t start this season. It put too much pressure on him and he didn’t respond well to it.
If Oden demonstrates he can stay out of foul trouble coming off the bench, then he may get the nod in December or January. But he’s a long way from there right now – he was foul prone in college, he’s been foul plagued in the pros. He’s riding heavy and hasn’t adjusted to the speed of the NBA. He needs to if he’s going to reach his potential.
Przybilla can only hope to be a starter for a championship team...
if there is a legit 3rd scoring option in the lineup. We cant start him when what we need for us to be a championship team is a legit low lost scoring option. He cant be that for us, therefore he wont be starting for us forever.
You make a reasonable point.
Like you, I could see Joel’s number being retired if he plays a significant role in a championship run (even as a non-starter), purely due to his loyalty to the franchise that has been loyal to him in return.
I think Portland will probably retire less numbers in the future, since it’s already out of hand. If so, it may squeeze out a few players who might otherwise get a number retired. Joel could be one of those guys.
I think we can all agree on this, though: Joel’s future with the Blazers will depend upon Greg’s success. We can disagree about how much success Greg will have, but we can agree that Joel’s future as a Blazer will be affected by it.
I really wish they’d make a Blazers Hall of Fame, with a little museum of Blazer memorabilia at the Rose Quarter. Induct players into the Hall of Fame, but limit number retirements to only superstars who got us a title, or close.
At the rate we retire numbers
We’ll probably retire 4 or 5 of the numbers of guys on this team if they win a title.
I mean, I understand they were huge parts of Blazers history, but would any other team have retired Lloyd Neal, Twardzik, Hollins, Steele, and Gross? They were obviously big parts of our title team, but those 5 guys combined for a total of two all star appearances.
Heh I hinted as such in a reply above this...
… I think Portland will start reducing their number retirements from now on. It really does look a little crazy.
Well, the advantage of having marginal guys with retired numbers
is that they’re willing to let other guys take them also. I mean, how many franchises can say they retired the same number twice?
Ask and ye shall receive. The total number is 11.
3 NBA teams (Blazers #30, Knicks #15, Boston #18)
Zero NFL teams
3 NHL teams (Chicago #3, Montreal #12, Rangers #9)
5 MLB teams (Cubs #31, Reds #5, Expos #10, Yankees #8, Cardinals #42)
Well, at least the Cincinnati Reds won the World Series that year.
The same can’t be said for Donnie Moore and the California Angels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Moore
Heck, it wasn’t until the team became the Anaheim Angels that it won a World Series.
Yet, with the team stupidly called the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, I hope the ballclub doesn’t win another World Series as karmic justice.
This usually happens
only if the number is assigned to the new player before it’s been officially retired. There may have been an exception where the former player grants permission for the new player to wear his number, but the clubhouse guy sure isn’t going to hand out a previously retired number without checking with management, first
Right, and sadly
I forgot it was just a joint retirement for Gross and Porter, but my point is, if you’re Lloyd Neal, and say, Jerryd Bayless wants to come in and wear 36, are you really going to say no?
I could see MJ legitly not wanting any other Bulls to wear 23, and no other Bulls player wanting to follow in his foot steps, but outside of Drexler, Porter/Gross now, and maybe Walton, I don’t see any of our retired numbers as being “off limits”.
Tony Perez
Wouldn’t let Ken Griffey Jr wear his freshly-retired #24 in Cincy, back in 2000
So Junior wore 30 (his dad’s old#) then 3 (in honor of his kids) instead
There may have been an exception where the former player grants permission for the new player to wear his number
This happened in Phoenix two years ago.
I've already stated my opinion here on that issue.
“[…] watching an over-the-hill, washed-up Jerry Rice wear Steve Largent’s retired #80 jersey with the Seattle Seahawks rubbed me the wrong way.”
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/29/742079/blasphemy#11845886
except for roy
everyone on this roster is touchable,that said until oden can prove that 1)-he can stay healthy.2)-can he stay on the floor for more than 8min.then you can talk about trading pryzbilla.again you odenfanboys in this site,still draming on a star.pryzbila is a baller period.along with rudy and batum is growin into 1.the rest of these guys need to get some serious manhood.as for aldridge he’s growing but he needs to man*up a little more.the rest of these jokers are very tradable.;ile i said by labor day,roy will have new ballers to balll with.
Aiming for Paul is too much
But I would easily trade Przybilla, Blake and Outlaw and whatever else necessary for someone like Granger if he were to be tradeable.
List of players excluding superstars I would trade Przybillla and co. for:
Danny Granger
Tony Parker
Josh Smith
Monta Ellis
Jose Calderon
Rudy Gay
Tayshaun Prince
etc… the list is long, but these are some names that come to mind when thinking of all-stars or potential all-stars.
At the begining of the season I wanted Calderon on this team, now im more reluctant at getting him over.. he’s still young though, and PG dont hit their ceilings until their early 30s.
I understand Przybilla is a great player and deserves our loyalty, and we wont find anybody that can contribute better than him at center, fine. But then again, we saw how little Przybilla impacted the Houston series, and he’s supposed to be a defensive specialist.
Im not pushing for a trade involving him, but all I ask is if we were in a position were we could get a valuable player in return, we should go for it. There will always be centers in the league that can do some of the things Joel does, and Greg will still be here… i mean how worse can he get, at worse he’s as good as Eric Dampier is right now.
Granger isn't going anywhere
neither is Parker
I don’t want Josh Smith at SF or really at all
I don’t want Monta Ellis
I would no longer pay that much for Jose Calderon, seriously, what happened there
I don’t want Rudy Gay and I don’t think he’d be traded anyway
I think that is slightly too much for Prince.
In theory, I would trade Przy if the right deal came along, but I don’t see said deal.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Why wouldnt you want all of these players ?
Then how about Gerald Wallace ? I’d want him
Caron Butler too.
There’s a lot of teams that would be willing to trade a star player in hopes of rebuilding.
Well....
Josh Smith is a PF, we already have a PF. He’s not a good enough shooter to play the 3 and he’s a bit of a headcase.
Monta Ellis is a shoot first PG who has one talent, getting to the rim. He’s already being paid a lot of money and was smart enough to break his leg in the offseason. He wouldn’t make the team better.
Maybe Calderon just had a down year, or maybe the year before was the aberration. Either way, I don’t know if he helps us that much anymore. I might trade for him for less than Przy, Blake and Outlaw.
I think Rudy Gay would need too many shots to be effective as our SF and he doesn’t play the kind of D we need from that position.
I want Prince, but that combination of guys seems a bit steep to me. I don’t know exactly what I would pay for Prince, but my first reaction is that was too much.
Gerald Wallace is another guy I would consider acquiring (along with Prince) by trading Przy. Not Caron Butler though, again, needs too many shots to be effective.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Would you trade Rudy for Calderone?
I posed this question last spring, when there was still doubt re: getting Rudy to agree to come over.
So, now that he’s played well as a reserve, and considering the fact that he plays the same position as a 2nd team all-NBA stud, and the Blazers still need a starting PG, would you deal Rudy for Calderone?
Me? no…but it’s still a good question, eh?
No, it wouldn't work
Calderon doesn’t fill a need. We already have a steady eddy journeyman PG so you can’t trade your super valuable backup 2G for a spot that’s already filled. Calderon is really good but Rudy’s a better player straight up. The problem is too few quality PG’s in the NBA at reasonable prices. Don’t overpay.
But if you've got 2 great SGs, and neither can guard a quick PG
It makes sense to deal one of them for a starting PG
But this debate is a year old. Toronto resigned Calderone and got rid of Ford.
If you are implying that Calderon would be good for defense
Then I assume you meant to type Kirk Hinrich.
no way
Comming into this season I thought Rudy could start for us at SF.. he ended up beeing our reserve SG for this season, but Rudy has said himself on his blog that he’s willing to improve on his penetration game… meaning there is still so much more to Rudy’s game than we have seen this season, and he’s already damn good.. thats someone that you keep on your team no matter what.
he’s willing to improve on his penetration game… meaning there is still so much more to Rudy’s game than we have seen this season
This is nice, but for Rudy (or anyone) to play PG for Nate he’ll have to defend opposing PGs (I suppose they “could” slide Batum over to defend the quicker PG, but that shifts Roy to SF defense, which could be a bad matchup depending on the size of the opponent)
My take remains, Rudy will not get the minutes he needs playing behind Roy at SG and will eventually start making noise about needing more PT in the next 18-24 months. (It will be Drazen Petrovic circa 1991 all over again.) Better to deal him sooner when his value is high, than after his agent issues a “trade request”
That could happen
but Rudy isn’t one dimensional. He can screw with your head all over the court. Let’s keep him a while.
Trading Joel results in a center depth chart of Oden, some LaMarcus, and garbage.
Until Greg can prove he can handle 30 minutes per game, Joel ain’t going anywhere.
Here are some wonderful Blazer center depth charts from the past for you to chew on (pecking order not accurate). Having two quality centers is more than a luxury.
01-02
Rasheed Wallace
Shawn Kemp
Chris Dudley
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje
02-03
Rasheed Wallace
Arvydas Sabonis (injury previous season?)
Chris Dudley (3 games)
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje
03-04
Rasheed Wallace
Theo Ratliff
Vladimir Stepania
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje
Slavko Vranes
04-05
Joel Pryzbilla
Theo Ratliff
Ha Seung-Jin (YES!!!)
05-06
Joel Pryzbilla
Theo Ratliff
Ha Seung-Jin
(Brian Skinner listed as F)
06-07
Jamaal Magloire
Joel Pryzbilla
Raef LaFrentz
Luke Schenscher
07-08
Joel Pryzbilla
Raef LaFrentz
Channing Frye
08-09
Joel Pryzbilla
Greg Oden
Ratliff still has some juice
He was surprising me all year.
Offseason:
Trade For Mike Conley Jr
Sign Antonio McDyess & Othello Hunter
Draft Kevin Seraphin/Edwin Jackson(Eurostash)
by TheGreatDane17 on May 14, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
why'd ya hate Magloire?
he complained alot, but I thought he play’d alright….
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Because he was freaking terrible?
An offensive black hole with no “go-to” moves, Magloire made me want to literally shut my eyes every time he got the ball on offense. Defensively, his feet might as well have been nailed to the floor. All he could do was foul and demand the ball so he could try and break the backboard with it.
chuckles.... sounds like someone we know.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Arvydas Sabonis was doing something with BC Zalgiris Kaunas during his absence in 2001-2002.
In 2003, Sabonis finally purchased a primary stake in BC Zalgiris Kaunas and became its majority owner and president — as well as an active player through the 2004-2005 season — so that’s the book on him.
sheed was traded for theo
they were both on the team that year, but not at the same time
Yellow Mamba FTW!
Depth chart is the incorrect term.
The point I was trying to make was that the Blazers have had a real lack of stability at Center for many years. Ha made 4 starts! Ha! Ha!!!
Keeping Joel gives us a nice 1-2 punch at the center position for a long time...
Joel’s veteran leadership and defense goes along nicely with Oden’s development. This duo will be a powerful tool for us for once Oden becomes productive.
Our center position ain’t broke, so we don’t need to fix it.
No one is really untradeable—except maybe Roy—but we have plenty of other chips to trade with to fix our weaknesses. Joel should not be considered one of them.
I like the whole team.
I 100% disagree with you.
“1. Brandon Roy is a superstar and franchise cornerstone — as well as a top-ten player in the NBA — so here’s not going anywhere.
2. Greg Oden has the potential to be a superstar two-way pivotman; thus he’s exactly the kind of player that a team needs as its anchor.
3. Joel Przybilla is the best backup center in the NBA and is fairly compensated for what he provides the team. If Kevin Pritchard was dumb enough to trade Przybilla, then the Portland Trail Blazers would have a gaping hole at that roster spot and couldn’t fill it.
4. Nicolas Batum is a raw, yet young defensive-minded small forward who’s got immense potential — although it’s possible he’ll amount to nothing more than the second-coming of Mickael Pietrus or, perhaps, flame out like Tariq Abdul-Wahad — therefore, the team must hang onto him."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/6/866544/the-season-in-review-lamarcus#15356115
I stand by those earlier comments.
I agree 90%
There are only a few guys I would trade Przybilla for and I would think long and hard about doing so. This is assuming that Greg can stay on the court for closer to 30 minutes per game, though. If he has another year of bad foul trouble we are going to need the Vanilla Gorilla.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
i'd trade joel + bayless+ travis for Hinrich and Joakim Noah.
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
Bayless sucks! Trade him; or at least stop the annoying bayless homerism. his best case is gilbert arenas which is something the blazers don't want and don't need. He was a KP mistake.
I'd rather just trade Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw for Kirk Hinrich, ...
which is such a sensible trade for both ballclubs that it’s not even funny.
I like this post and voted for "Depends on who is offered," but it is more complicated than that
If there is one thing the wonderful plans posted by usmcr3049 the past week or so should have taught us, it is that talking about whether we keep or trade a particular player in isolation of other roster moves really doesn’t generate much insight.
As a hypothetical situation, let’s say Carlos Boozer doesn’t opt out of his contract, and so the Jazz have payroll problems trying to match offers for Paul Millsap. Suppose we win the Millsap sweepstakes, with a not entirely unreasonable offer. So then we would have a great rebounder (and scorer) for the White unit. Does the necessity of keeping Joel remain the same? The Portland offense just doesn’t seem to work as well when we have two big men fighting for loose balls in the middle.
We would also have some spare change, because of the hypothesis that we signed Millsap for a reasonable offer. What if in addition we attract Chris Andersen to swat opponents attempts to take it inside, or Antonio McDyess to provide additional rebouding and scoring? Maybe the potential loss of Joel creeps nearer a wash after all of this, and he becomes more valuable to get another piece? I’m not saying any of this is going to happen, but rather arguing there might be entirely plausible circumstances where he becomes expendable.
To continue the example, if after something like all the above additions were to happen, do you really think KP would sneeze at an offer from San Antonio to swap Tony Parker for Nick (we are sure they love Nick), Joel (because this season proved the Spurs need a more effective veteran rebounding presence now), and Steve (because they devised the means to acquire some other superstar, so they could afford to go another direction from Parker and instead rely on a steady but not splashy veteran point guard to play along side their newly acquired gem)? The salaries match. Not gonna happen, but that is not the point.
I don’t have the insight or knowledge to make as brilliant and plausible plans as usmcr3049 or Norkstroll or jscot or half the other posters on BE, and undoubtedly few of the steps in my chain above are likely to happen. But we are just not using enough imagination when we say Joel or anyone else is sacrosanct. I think this is because when we only focus on whether a single player is tradeable, then the only deal that ever seems to make sense is to trade the guy for himself.
"the only deal that ever seems to make sense is to trade the guy for himself."
That’s hilarious. Millsap would be a coup but there are other good options. None of those brilliant plans you mentioned include a 3rd scorer but Millsap could get those 15 points of Travis and all the rebounds Travis can’t get. That would be a major upgrade. I would go so far as to say that Millsap and a veteran backup PG for the 2nd team would get us over the top. A guy like Andre Miller to tutor Bayless might be got for the mid-level exception. Millsap and Miller on the 2nd team, can you see that?
Adding Miller and Millsap seems like a reasonable idea to me
They would both add a lot used as you suggested. It would be a big upgrade for the team. There is little question that Millsap could revamp the White unit. People are down on Andre Miller because he has never won, but getting a chance to compete for a championship for two or three years might be sufficient to motivate him. They are down because he can’t shoot 3s, but maybe Martell and Rudy together can fill that void. The Blazers coaching staff isn’t exactly stupid, and they could tweak (I hate that word) the offense if getting him became our best option.
My road to this post began with the discussion last week of San Antonio coveting Nick. Everyone wanted Parker, but there is no way we could ever pry Parker loose from the Spurs without giving up one of our core guys, and Pryzbilla is the one I am least reluctant to give up. So the trade would have to be Parker = Nick + Joel + spare parts. However, as all of those saying we could never do so are saying, this would leave us with too many holes. What usmcr3049’s posts taught me, though, is that if you look at several different deals in parallel, maybe you can mask some or most of the holes left by the departing. So before you can trade Joel, you first have to work out how to compensate for his departure.
Not enough minutes for Millsap
As long as LMA, Greg and Joel are around, the backup minutes at the 4 are gonna be limited
So, unless the PF you’re bringing in is okay with playing limited minutes (or if he can play backup center and Joel is involved in another deal?) that FA PF is probably not going to sign with Portland
A veteran like McDyess makes sense, or a rookie like Blair. Anything in-between will either be a less-talented player (Shav, Frye, Diogu, Ruffin) or a potential logjam at the PF (unhappy camper, like Abdur-Rahim was, back in the day)
McDyess or Turiaf sound great off the bench
I like all the depth we can afford because I think our guys are a little injury prone.
Are you on the night shift or just having trouble sleeping
Turiaf is a cool player. Speaks French too, to keep Nic company.
No F@#$ing way!!
Joel Przybilla, along with some marquis guys and role players, is the heart and soul of this team. That means more than stats or who might be better, etc. I wouldn’t feel the same way about this team if Pryz wasn’t with us. He’s the type of guy I’d like to see retire as a Blazer. And good role players who stay with the team can be an important piece of the championship puzzle.
This is where loyalty comes into play. As another poster said: “I don’t want just anybody wearing a Blazer uniform to win; I want our guys to win.” I wouldn’t get rid of him any more than I’d trade BRoy or LMA.
Joel Stay
Oden Smash! Joel Crush!
No Joel, Oden Smash, but not as hard or with as much effect.
Blazers win!
I'd rather have a guy you can rely on to make the last shot.
Roy’s one of the best in the league at that.
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