Brandon Roy Named Second Team All-NBA
by Ben Golliver on May 13, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
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First team: LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwyane Wade
Second team: Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, Tim Duncan, Paul Pierce, Yao Ming
Third team: Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Carmelo Anthony, Pau Gasol, Shaquille O'Neal
Congratulations to B. Roy.
Now nitpick through these lists for the rest of the morning.
Update: Here's the full list that includes others receiving votes. Surprise, surprise... LaMarcus Aldridge is on there. I bet that made his day.
Update: Full press release from the team.
BRANDON ROY EARNS ALL-NBA SECOND TEAM HONORS
Becomes First Trail Blazer to Make All-NBA Team Since 1991-92
PORTLAND, Ore. - Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy was named to the 2008-09 All-NBA Second Team, it was announced today by a vote of sportswriters and broadcasters.
"This is a very well-deserved honor for Brandon and an acknowledgment of the role he's played in our success this season," said Trail Blazers General Manager Kevin Pritchard. "Brandon gives you everything he's got and that's why he's emerged as a leader, both on and off the court."
Roy, 24, led the Trail Blazers in scoring (22.6), assists (5.1), steals (1.13) and minutes (37.2) during the 2008-09 season. His 22.6 points per game ranked 10th in the NBA. The two-time All-Star tallied 20 or more points in 55 contests, 12 games of 30 points or more and a career-high 52 points Dec. 18 vs. Phoenix.
The third-year guard led the Trail Blazers to a share of the Northwest Division title and the team's first playoff berth since 2003. Portland's 54 wins were the most by a Trail Blazers team since 1999-2000.
Cleveland forward LeBron James, Dallas forward Dirk Nowitzki, Orlando center Dwight Howard, L.A. Lakers guard Kobe Bryant and Miami guard Dwyane Wade were named to the 2008-09 All-NBA First Team.
Joining Roy on the All-NBA Second Team are San Antonio forward Tim Duncan, Boston forward Paul Pierce, Houston center Yao Ming and New Orleans guard Chris Paul.
Denver forward Carmelo Anthony, L.A. Lakers forward Pau Gasol, Phoenix center Shaquille O'Neal, Denver guard Chauncey Billups and San Antonio guard Tony Parker received All-NBA Third Team honors.
Roy's three years of NBA experience are the fewest of any 2008-09 All-NBA Team honoree. He is the first Trail Blazer to be named to both the All-Rookie Team and All-NBA Team during his career.
Roy becomes the fifth Trail Blazer in franchise history and the first since Clyde Drexler in 1991-92 to garner All-NBA acclaim. He joins Drexler, Maurice Lucas, Jim Paxson and Bill Walton as the only Trail Blazers named to All-NBA Teams.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Well -TP, at least....
But it makes me wonder. Who do you like in this matchup:
Dirk, Dwight, Dwayne, Yao, Pau
vs.
Paul, Roy, Kobe, TP, Pierce
That is – who are the five guys at ANY position that you would put together to beat any other 5 guys in one game?
You couldn't put them together like that
Replace Yao with Paul, and that team wins.
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What if you don't switch the two
5 Big guys against 5 little guys – Maybe go further and replace Pierce with Nate Robinson…
Wow!
That just goes to show you how much respect Brandon has around the league. This is amazing. I thought he would get third team and this is a pleasant and well deserved surprise.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on May 13, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
That's pretty much what happened, if you look at the point totals.
Brandon’s score is right in line with the totals for the other guys on the third team. He’s 200 points behind the guys on the second team.
by MiledAnimal on May 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Roy/Billups/Parker
All pretty much split the votes at guard after the Kobe/Wade/Paul trio. Brandon just came out a bit ahead of the other two.
Poor Deron. Ends up with twice as many points as the 3rd team center, almost as much as ’Melo, and the top vote getter overall not making one of the three teams. Just so much competition at guard.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
He was crap earlier in the year
turned it on later, but that probably burned him.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
that plus the injury, yep
even still, someone from that group of 7 guards has to get slighted. If I had to pick one of the 6 to drop off the list next year, it would probably be Chauncey
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Wooooooot!!!!
This wooooot would only be fully upper case had he been first team. But second team is excellent.
Nice to see they continued with the 2 guard tradition on these lists, not caring if a PG is on there or not. Though I suppose Kobe and Dwayne wouldn’t need a point guard since they would probably take the ball out and then proceed to dribble it for 20 seconds before firing a shot.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
This is so incredibly awesome!
This is well deserved. He worked his tail off and carried this team the entire season.
In your face Jason Quick!
by Roybot on May 13, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
You need to go green just because of that last sentence.
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CP3 was robbed
While I wouldn’t put Brandon on the first team (yet); I says CP3 and not Kobe should be there. Kobe and Brandon should be together on the 2nd team.
But still—woohoo!
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
by EngineerScotty on May 13, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
pssh
that would be logical and deserved. none of that
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 13, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
You would put CP3 ahead of Kobe???
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I would too. He's much better for the team
He gives you a much better shot at winning. Last year, he got his team to the WCF in a tough year. K*be couldn’t do that if he switched teams with Paul. No way.
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It's actually a no-brainer
When you get past the respect everyone has to feign for Kobe, it’s not exactly a huge revelation that a guy in his 13th season is not playing as well as someone just entering his prime, and is putting up seasons that already rival Magic Johnson.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
sure
PER: Kobe 24.3, Paul 30.0
TS%: Kobe .561, Paul .599
Assist%: Kobe 23.8, Paul 54.5
Rebound Rate: Kobe 8.2, Paul 8.7 (yes, CP3 rebounded more than the much taller Kobe)
Win Shares: Kobe 13.1, Paul 17.5
Offensive Rating: Kobe 115, Paul 124
Defensive Rating: Kobe 105, Paul 103 (lower is better for defensive rating)
Wins Produced (David Berri): Paul 29.4, Kobe 13.9
The stats say its a landslide for Paul— and indeed, some stat geeks would say Paul is the MVP even above LeBron. I’m not one of those, but I do think Paul>>Kobe.
by jksnake99 on May 13, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice work
I’m much too lazy to put that together, nice work Jake.
Paul is a better player than Kobe by pretty much every metric, and if he wasn’t on the Hornets they would be awful… AWFUL.
The Lakers would have Odom, Gasol, Bynum, and some decent young players. Not great, but a decent team.
Morty
I would, too.
I’m kinda shocked that Kobe got 119 first team votes. I’d put Paul & Wade first team and Roy second team. Kobe might make the other second team guard on my ballot, but there’s a lot of competition. To have Kobe get the most guard votes to me smells of laziness on the part of the voters.
media members who vote
are pretty much ALWAYS a year ot two behind the times. Superstars always get a few seasons of honors they don’t deserve later in their career based largely on reputation
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Great honor for a fantastic player.
It brings to mind that one Elton John song from a Disney movie:
Can you feel the love tonight?
But I like to be here. Oh, I like it a lot! Said the Cat in the Hat. To the fish in the pot.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on May 13, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
The lion king.
We gon to win de playoffs! -Rudy
by Steve Guttenberg on May 13, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
i was thinking more like
Brandon and the ’Zers
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
they're weird and wonderful
Rudy he’s really keen. – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
Wow, 2nd team
That’s really cool!
I figgered he was a lock for the 3rd team, but I thought the voters would vote for who they know (Billups, Parker, Deron) over who deserves it (duh, Brandon Tiberius Roy).
I will agree with those who say Roy deserves this, and that Paul definitely deserves to be on the 1st team over Kobe. EASILY. By every statistical and team-performance measure. Yeah, the Lakers are better, but the Hornets are one of the worst teams in the league without Paul.
YAY ROY!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on May 13, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
atta boy B Roy
my predictions for All-NBA actually was pretty close to the results
Best of Senator Clay Davis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4-QyAzY64&feature=related
man would i love to watch a game with playoff intensity between team 1 and 2...
i wonder who would win.
But I like to be here. Oh, I like it a lot! Said the Cat in the Hat. To the fish in the pot.
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on May 13, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd say team 2...
…if it weren’t for LeBron. Team 2 is a lot more balanced IMO and has the fundamentally sound guys. However, LeBron over Pierce is just a huge gap. Paul would have to be the difference maker, and I think he could be.
.......................................Pwned again!
by MiledAnimal on May 13, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol.
"It's better to have a good player with the basketball in late game situations than to have plays." - R. Pitino
"I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em."- Jimmy V
Go Blazers!!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
The look on paul’s face got me cracking up.
We gon to win de playoffs! -Rudy
by Steve Guttenberg on May 13, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
actually
if it was a different PF on the second team, with Duncan at center, I’d pick them. I just think Yao doesn’t mesh well in that kind of format. If the second team had a Garnett/Bosh type at the 4 to pair with Duncan, I take them over the first team.
LeBron is great, and CP3 is just a quarter step behind… he would be a liablity on defense, though.
draft rodrigue beaubois
by Cablinasian on May 13, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
CP3 a liability on D?
He plays D very well.
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CP3 gets a lot of steals
which doesn’t neccesarily a good defensive player make.
While this article is from last season, it talks about CP’s particular defensive short comings.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-199/When-Chris-Paul-Plays-Defense.html
4th best scorer in the league after Wade, James, Kobe and carrying his team? And you have to vote for a center, two guards, two forwards.
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
Yea i guess i just dont like him
haha
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on May 13, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
He only beat out Duncan by something like 15 points
and was only ahead of Peirce by 20 or so… he was the most marginal to make it
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by The Arkitect on May 13, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh boy! Love it!
Roy second and Dirk first team as wanted and predicted by – drum roll – me ;-)
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/6/867267/all-nba-team-vote
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
well done Norsk
Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus
Look at StuckeyDuck in his comment on your post.
Nailed the 1st and 2nd teams exactly. Only got 2/5 on the third, though.
With Shaq. on the decline
When Shaq. fades out it looks like there’ll be an opening for a third center. Let’s hope Oden makes it within the next two years.
How Cool Would It Be
to see 5 on 5 first team vs second team (when all are healthy)?
Congratulations to Brandon, that’s awesome.
by Larry The Croc on May 13, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
yeah it would be.
How about All Nba first vs. All Nba second, 4 six minute quarters?
This year is NOT a building season!!
by collectiveshane on May 13, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
That would
be more fun than the all star game. They should do it as an exhibition 20 minute game or something during all star week.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
That would be way better than the current
All star game.
"It's better to have a good player with the basketball in late game situations than to have plays." - R. Pitino
"I asked a ref if he could give me a technical foul for thinking bad things about him. He said, of course not. I said, well, I think you stink. And he gave me a technical. You can't trust em."- Jimmy V
Go Blazers!!
It would be nice
if they used this format to determine the all stars instead of fan votes.
We gon to win de playoffs! -Rudy
by Steve Guttenberg on May 13, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Way to go Brandon
you da man.
This year is NOT a building season!!
by collectiveshane on May 13, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
We are one step closer to world domination.
Way to be Brandon.
TheTinfoil: Prez, could we please get Fatty on one of these [podcasts]?
annthefan: Fatty would be awesome! Get him on there with Timbo. Now, that's entertainment.
pualo: Nah, Timbo would just talk to himself the whole time.
It will be very difficult to
surpass kobe or wade, unless there is an injury
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on May 13, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
He will surpass Kobe soon
This year is NOT a building season!!
by collectiveshane on May 13, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Soon is a relative term....
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on May 13, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
All terms are relative and "soon" is less relative than most terms
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I agree that he will surpass Kobe soon
but it will take a couple of years for the people who vote for the all-NBA teams to realize that Roy has surpassed Kobe. And even then, he will still be competing with Paul and Wade.
I believe
Because B-Roy has always defied expectations….
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by skywaker9 on May 13, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on May 13, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
More legit
than the All-Star team. Congrats to Brandon – also to LMA – while 4 votes didn’t get him near the 3rd team it is definitely validation that people are aware of him. (That’s one more vote than All-Star David West got.)
acutally DW got 12 votes...
"Grayg"
-Nate
by OSUBlazerfan on May 13, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Going just by All-NBA votes, LaMarcus is one of the top ten PF's in the league.
Not bad for a guy who some here think is soft and needs to get traded.
hakkaa päälle !
Why would you go by All-NBA votes?
These are the same people who gave Robin Lopez (not Brook) votes for R.O.Y.
I didn't say I did.
I was simply making an observation. LaMarcus ranks top 10 by this one metric.
As far as I’m concerned, there are not 10 other power forwards in the league I’d rather have in place of Aldridge. I’m sure there are 5. If you take into account fit with this team, the number probably gets smaller. Duncan, Bosh and Dirk. Gasol is a tossup. You could make an argument for Garnett, but I’m not sure how good a fit he’d be. Amare doesn’t make the list exactly because he he would be a lousy fit. Portland has something special going. A cohesive team often has an edge over a collection of more talented players not on the same page. The fact that Portland has both cohesivness and talent is what is going to make them special.
hakkaa päälle !
Not even I think there are 10 PFs I'd rather have than LaMarcus.
I’m just saying this one metric is really not worth paying any attention to.
Very nice
well deserved and earned. congrats brandon
by GreatOden'sRaven on May 13, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
Once agian, It's a great day to be a Blazer!
Good guys don’t always finish last. Sometimes they finsh 2nd.
2-4 the who
he has officially arrived
that’s my boy nba all 2.nd team,now officially 1 of the best 10 players on the planet.congrats “franchise”.
Wow. Nice job!
I thought he’d be third, but not second. I’m guessing he may make first a few times before his career is over.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Nice job by 1st teamer Dwight Howard last night
Stabbing his coach in the back and then rolling the team buss over him! Must have been Van Gundy’s fault that Howard missed most of his free throws last night….
2-4 the who
He did miss some free throws......
But he got exactly THREE offensive touches in the fourth quarter last night. How do you not go to your best player more than three times in the 4th quarter of a tight playoff game??? Before they stopped going to Howard, they were up by 14. And even if Dwight is missing his FT’s, he’s still getting fouls on the other team, which means substitution issues for Boston, and more team fouls against, meaning more FT’s for the rest of the team as well.
Van Gundy has one gameplan, and he sticks to it, regardless of whether or not it’s working. He just doesn’t make adjustments. If Nate were coaching the Magic, they’d have already won the series. I have no problem with Howard telling the truth about Stan Van Jeremy’s shortcomings.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Howard is panicking
Howard is literally only one step ahead of Oden in the offensive move department. He’s not a go to offensive player. Its kind of hard to depend on a guy who shoots running hooks 10 feet away.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
That's a fair point. There are better offensive centers in the NBA than Howard.
But there were quite a few times where he was wide open down low for dunks and they even look his way. I suppose this could be the players on the team being black holes, but the ball movement issue looked like it was a team-wide thing. They didn’t look prepared for the 4th quarter run that the Celtics were almost assuredly going to come out with. To me, that shows that Van Gundy didn’t have them prepared and didn’t know what to do when the Magic got in trouble. This isn’t a first for him, either.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Howard is panicking
but not as much as SVG did down the stretch of last night’s game.
How can that game can go on, without SVG calling a time out and threatening to fire all four of the other players right there on the spot, if they don’t get the ball to Howard?
Talk about a team taking on the personality of its coach. Let’s extend Nate’s contract. – Elgin
Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus
When Dwight Howard has at least 1 go-to move in the post
He can command touches like Shaq. Heck, Shaq at his advanced age still has more of an offensive repertoire than Dwight.
Dwight is a defensive stud, but he gets his points by just being more athletic and stronger than everyone on the court. There is little refinement or finesse to his game, kind of like LeBron the first few years where he just relied on his natural gifts rather than perfecting anything.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 13, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not like he's asking to be isolated 15 feet from the basket.
He was just stating that when he’s open within a couple feet of the hoop (which he was multiple times in the 4th quarter last night with minimal defense on him) that it would probably be a better idea for him to try to lower his shoulder and get in there for a dunk than it would be for them to keep putting up contested three pointers.
Go-To moves or not, when Howard has the ball close to the basket, he demands defensive attention. At the very least if he doesn’t have a good shot, he’s got the ability to find an open man on the perimeter. Working inside-out would have won the game for Orlando.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I watched the game and never saw Howard open like that other than once
and they got him the ball and he dunked it. He’s just looking for an excuse because he and his team flat out BLEW IT!. It happens, but it doesn’t stop happening until you understand why.
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We must've been watching different games....
Cause I distinctly recall three times in the 4th quarter where they had him open and didn’t get him the ball in favor of long jumpers.
Sure, he’s looking for an excuse. He certainly didn’t have his best game last night either. I’m just saying he’s got a valid point. Is it a bit pouty and whiny? Sure. But it’s also a very fair statement on Van Gundy’s coaching.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I didn't watch most of the game
But if Howard ain’t getting touches when open down low, I don’t call that a coaching problem, I call it a player’s problem. Just like with the Blazers, they need to get it down low when the big man is in easy position to score.
I agree Van Gundy always looks like he is freaking out on the sideline, and that ain’t healthy, but I doubt he is against the guards giving the ball to Dwight down low, when he is open.
Dwight ain’t a one on one guy on the block, and if you don’t let him dunk (like Perkins has done in the series), his total lack of skill on offense shows itself. But if he is open, you have to give him the ball— it’s an easy power dunk.
And Howard needs to tell his teammates— boss them around, even, since he’s the leader— to get him the damn ball.
Not bitch about the coach to the press (unless for some crazy reason Van Gundy was telling them to not look inside first).
Mortimer
by Mortimer on May 13, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with most of this post.
Howard tends to be a bit timid when it comes to being a vocal leader on the court. In a situation where he’s getting open, he has to start telling his teammates to do a better job of looking for him. His being timid definitely hurts the team sometimes.
Of course, that doesn’t mean that Van Gundy should be let off the hook for not mentioning it to his players either. Something that is pretty obvious to those not involved in the game should be blatantly obvious to him.
And how come Howard’s getting flak for bringing these issues up in the press, while Van Gundy can get away with trashing his team after every loss? After just about every Magic loss, Van Gundy talks about how the team needs to step up, and about how they’re not running his sets the way he wants them to. Coaches tend to get away with this a lot because it shows that they’re “sending a message to the team.” When a player does it, they’re being divisive. It’s a double standard that a lot of people seem to have no problem with.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
by LeafHawk on May 13, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And how come Howard’s getting flak for bringing these issues up in the press, while Van Gundy can get away with trashing his team after every loss? After just about every Magic loss, Van Gundy talks about how the team needs to step up, and about how they’re not running his sets the way he wants them to. Coaches tend to get away with this a lot because it shows that they’re "sending a message to the team." When a player does it, they’re being divisive. It’s a double standard that a lot of people seem to have no problem with.
You get a rec for that.
Nothing makes me lose respect for a coach faster than when he publicly calls out players, especially by name . If they are using the media to send a message to a player, it means they can’t figure out how to do it privately. That’s one of my initial concrete signs that a coach isn’t able to reach some subset of his players.
(This includes the “master of the media”, Phil Jackson. He gets away with it more than anyone in the business, never getting called out on it).
I think Dwight’s frustration got the best of him last night, even with the reports that he was calm and collected during the comments. I would not be surprised if he says he regrets the comments later. But if Dwight felt he needed to make public comments, then he and SVG may already have a dysfunctional relationship that could become combustible.
Yah, Van Gundy in Orlando won't last much longer if they can't play nice.
Cause when push comes to shove, the Magic front office isn’t going to trade Howard to make Van Gundy happy.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Players say that all the time
We didn’t get in our sets, didn’t follow the gameplan, etc… unless Van Gundy specifically named players (I didn’t hear that), it’s standard to say the team didn’t follow the gameplan and to me it really seemed like they didn’t follow a logical gameplan (and most coaches have a logical gameplan that most share). I agree it sounds like the team and the coach have a serious disconnect and both are frustrated with the other…
But I don’t mind a coach saying how he felt the game went wrong for his team, even if it’s generic stuff like “we didn’t follow the gameplan”. Nate says it too, and so does Roy. We’ve often lost once we start relying on bad jumpers and not working our way inside— that ain’t the gameplan. That is the player’s fault.
Dwight blaming Van Gundy for not getting him the ball is just odd to me, when he should be telling Rafer, Rashard, and the rest of the perimeter players. If Van Gundy is specifically calling plays only for the perimeter guys, then I see Dwight’s point. Usually they look into him first and go from there, and if he’s being pushed off the block and unable to do anything like he hasn’t been able to do most of the series, it’s Howard’s fault— and he’s blaming others out of frustration.
I don’t like Van Gundy’s courtside demeanour, and winning the COY award is a curse for all who win it and he will likely be fired next season if things don’t start off gangbusters (or if Howard blames him for the loss this series). But unless Van Gundy is calling for the team to not look inside first, which they did most of the season, I say it’s more on Howard’s teammates than the coach.
I am 100% fine with Howard saying how he felt the game went wrong for his team. I just think he should yell at his teammates over the coach, when it’s his teammates not passing him the ball and I doubt the gameplan called for ignoring Howard.
Mortimer
I don’t like Van Gundy’s courtside demeanour, and winning the COY award is a curse for all who win it and he will likely be fired next season if things don’t start off gangbusters
Mike Brown won COY this year. He’ll get fired the sometime mid-season, the year after next.
Bah thats right
It happened on the honeymoon, I thought Van Gundy won like a lot predicted.
BEING IN THE RUNNING IS A CURSE, I meant. Geez your dumb not to get that.
Mike Brown gets fired anyways, after blowing it to the dumb Lakers.
Morty
Hah, I almost added "unless Cleveland loses in the Finals" to my comment.
But I figured he’ll get dumped in two years, when management realizes he was still trying the “Give LeBron the ball” offensive strategy. During a game in MSG, the team loses badly when they keep passing the ball to a player on the Knicks.
I think for me, it's more about how Van Gundy uses those statements.
He doesn’t say “We didn’t execute the gameplan.” He says, “They didn’t execute the gameplan.”
He doesn’t say, “We need to play better.” He says, “They need to play better.”
He doesn’t say, “We made some mistakes tonight.” He says, “They made some mistakes tonight.”
A lot of Van Gundy’s comments are about deflecting criticism to the players, while saying he did all he could to help them win.
I imagine they weren’t trying to avoid Howard, and SVG can’t force them to pass him the ball if they refuse to do it. But when your best offensive player (Yes, better than Turkoglu or Rashard Lewis) is not getting chances, it is the coach’s job to make adjustments and help lead his team to a sound gameplan. It might work, it might not work, but at least it would be making an effort. I didn’t see really any effort to change what was happening in the 4th quarter of that game. That either means Van Gundy didn’t tell his team to do anything differently, or that he did tell them to and they just ignored it. If it’s the latter, that would actually be worse for Orlando.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Yeah, I agree, that's not the right way to say it
In his defense, he USUALLY says the loss was his fault to the point of it sounding silly.
Both sides sounded really annoyed with the other side. It’ll be interesting to see what happens this offseason, since it really seems like the coach and the players get on each other’s nerves.
Morty
I think the Magic are starting to realize that you need depth to win in the playoffs
And that’s something Boston actually has a bit of, and Orlando is sorely lacking. There are a couple decent guys off the bench for them, but there’s not much offense there. That team could be a contender, but they’re definitely missing a few pieces. That has to be in the back of their minds right now.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
that was an epic choke
Orlando should already have won this series in 5. The KG-less Celtics have zero business beating them. Pretty pathetic lack of poise by the Magic.
Well deserved for Roy-- the voters got it right in his case
Chris Paul got hosed— he should be on the first team in place of Kobe (or Dirk if you don’t care about positions). Carmelo on the 3rd team is a little crazy IMO— Bosh and KG are better players. I still think Duncan is better than Dirk.
Deron Williams can’t get any love. I know Chauncey’s done great things in Denver but Williams is the better player.
injuries?
Chauncey had an unbelievable year. I think he was better than Williams. As much as I hate Kobe, he is still better than CP.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
But the biggest number
Is number of wins. Denver wins this one easily as so does Chauncey.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on May 13, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Chauncey has two other near all-star level players on his team
While Williams has a bunch of guys who play little to no defense and were hurt all year.
True but a point guard is supposed to deliver results
And while Iverson couldn’t deliver victories, Billups did. Billups also got the Nuggets to play a bit more unselfishly (a bit). Even when the Jazz became relatively healthy (the last part of the year), Williams couldn’t lead them to near enough victories, much less any road wins.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on May 13, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
basketball is a team sport
This is an individual award. Its always a challenge to separate team success from individual contributions, but I feel that advanced stats are the best tool we have for doing so at the moment… and they favor Williams.
But individual awards are usually
Determined in part by team play and team results. Sometimes they go hand in hand and sometimes they don’t. It’s that whole intangible thing that sometimes doesn’t play out with the numbers. The numbers are getting better at getting the correlation correct, but sometimes they are off. This year (and that is the caveat for me, this year only not for the future) I would take Chauncey’s contributions over Williams.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on May 13, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Giving out individual awards
based on team play is one of the dumbest things that pro sports do. If it’s a team award make it a team award. If it’s an individual award make it an individual award. Leave team success out of it.
(not ranting at you bm32, ranting about the way awards are done in pro sports in general)
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
I agree
That is why the MVP award means different things in different years. Some years it goes to the best player, some years it goes to the indivdual that means the most to a winning team. Some years it is both. This year it was both.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on May 13, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Their D seemed significantly improved this year
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It's crazy how things can work out sometimes
Losing Camby helped their defense more than anything, since it opened up as many minutes as Nene and the Birdman could handle. NO ONE predicted that (though plenty of people found Camby’s actual defense very suspect).
Yeah, they coulda got ‘more’ for Camby, but losing him and his stat-heavy but ultimately lazy and ineffective defense made Denver a LOT better. If he was on the team, even healthy like he was Nene doesn’t get the same minutes, and Birdman rides the bench.
Mortimer
No way K*be's better
that’s history talking. CP3 destroys him
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I should explain that by saying that CP3 elevates his team more than K*be does
K8be often enough harms his team. I’ve yet to see Paul do that.
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I wonder for next year’s All Star game if Brandon will actually be voted on to the team by the public. Does anybody remember what place he finished this year with the vote? I remember thinking that no one outside of Portland must know about BRoy because he finished nearly last in voting.
Roy won't be voted as an All-Star Starter until Kobe retires
Kobe and Chris Paul have the starting guard positions locked up on the West All-Star team.
???
Whoever voted Carmelo and Pau first team should have their voting priviledges revoked.
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d.williams
is the only player in the nba other than duncan i would pick over roy.i just love my guys and if i had to start a team today.it would be williams-roy-howard-granger-duncan that’s my all*nba starting 5.paul-wade-lebron-yao-aldridge as my 2.nd team.
I am surprised yet pleased
to see LMA as your 2nd team PF. – Elgin
Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus
Or LBJ on the second team
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Bill Simmons is complaining via Twitter that Paul Pierce didn't get voted over Dirk. ROFLMAO
Pierce wasn’t even among the top 3 small forwards, much less forwards. You would have had to take Danny Granger, Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant over him if you went by production/value added/PER/whatever and not by name.
Then he goes on to put three guards (Wade, CP3, Kobe) on his first team and calls the voters who correctly couldn’t do that by rule morons. Oh Bill.
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
lol @ Simmons
what a moron. Duncan and CP3 have a first team case (over Kobe and Dirk, respectively). Pierce does not.
It's just like his dumb "I watched KG all year he deserves the MVP award" last year
He can be good, and then sooooo lazy and dumb the next second.
Morty
Congratulations to Brandon Roy
who hopefully will have a long and productive career as a Trailblazer. – Elgin
Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus
Movin on Up!
Nice job B-Roy!
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Go Blazers!!
yah broy
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A press release from the NBA calls LeBron’s team the “Cavs.”
Not the Cavaliers, not Cleveland, but the “Cavs.” Very interesting.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
Congrats Brandon!
For not only making Second Team All-NBA, but for being the NBA’s 2008/2009 Most Bang for Your Buck Player
haha, that should be an actual award.
Broys salary will increase for sure over the next few years, but just looking at the current salaries and the effort we got from him just puts a big ’ol grin on my face.
Team 1
LeBron James – $14,410,581
Kobe Bryant – $21,262,500
Dwight Howard – $12,758,000
Dirk Nowitzki – $18,077,904
Dwyane Wade – $14,410,581
Team 2
Chris Paul – $4,574,189
Brandon Roy – $3,084,240
Tim Duncan – $20,598,703
Paul Pierce – $18,077,903
Yao Ming – $15,070,550
Team 3
Chauncey Billups – $11,050,000
Tony Parker – $11,550,000
Carmelo Anthony – $14,410,581
Pau Gasol – $15,080,312
Shaquille O’Neal – $20,000,000
Source: HoopsHype
"The successful man will profit from his mistakes and try again in a different way." - Dale Carnegie --- Same goes for the Blazers. Thanks Houston.
by blazerbeliever on May 13, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
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"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
If only he could be that low-cost his entire career for Portland. :)
Then again, while I sometimes have issues with the inflated salaries some guys make, Brandon will absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, deserve that max contract he’ll be getting from the Blazers soon.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Oh yeah, most definitely.
"The successful man will profit from his mistakes and try again in a different way." - Dale Carnegie --- Same goes for the Blazers. Thanks Houston.
by blazerbeliever on May 13, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to disagree (with your subject line)
I don’t think there’s anything at all desirable about Brandon Roy being that underpaid for his entire career, even hypothetically. The man deserves a salary commiserate with what other people of his skill in the entertainment industry are paid. The Blazers this year are very lucky to have him at that price, but his salary should and will go up a substantial amount as soon as legally possible.
As much as I love what Brandon Roy does and his importance to the team...
….I’m a Blazers fan first and foremost. It’d seem unfair for him to get paid less than a max contract. But my sense of fairness would quickly be overtaken by the glee of having that much more money to spend on even better players.
This is all moot, of course, since Brandon will be getting that max deal. No one around here will be complaining about that at all.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Why?
They can do something that almost nobody in the world can do, plus entertain hundreds of millions of people worldwide, and generate hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue for owners, tv networks, arenas, etc.
Players deserve a nice pay for a career that is very short, provides joy for many, and generates a lot of money.
I feel like the people who generate that money and entertainment (the reason we watch) deserve their sizeable share of the money pie.
Mortimer
Income distribution reflects the values held by the people.
by MiledAnimal on May 14, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
prostitutes, drug dealers, gun runners, slave traders, pimps, criminal organizations, stock brokers, corporate executives, and lobbyist all deserve the ridiculous cash their activities generate.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Wade's reasonably priced for his production. Has he not hit his big payday yet?
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Wade and James both make the same max deal
They signed a shorter 3 year max deal so they can get to the even BIGGER bucks of the 2nd post-rookie-deal sooner… and ditch their teams if all ain’t going well.
Melo makes that much too, though I think he signed the long term deal with Denver… maybe?
M.
In udder words
That is the general amount of money Roy will be making 3 years into his max deal he’ll sign this offseason. Not too shabby for him AND for us, compared to the amount we were paying dudes like Sheed and Damon!
Morty
Wow!
If guys like Billups and Parker are making $11 million per year, is that about what BRoy is going to make? I thought it was going to be higher than that.
It's reasonable to assume Brandon will get a max deal.
The guy’s on the All-NBA 2nd team in his third season (wow), so he’ll get maxed. He’ll get at least 11.
Someone better at the salary cap than me can explain what the max deal is (and its dependency on the salary cap), and the difference between the Wade-type 3-year deal, and a full 5 year deal.
For perspective, Paul has that 4.5M salary this year, but he just signed a 4-year deal at 17M/year. Don’t be surprised if Brandon gets similar money.
And Paul Allen will happily sign the check.
A max deal is 25% of the cap
4 * 14.4 = 57.6… I think the cap is somewhere in the 57-58 range.
draft rodrigue beaubois
Max salary isn't as simple at 25% of the cap
it is tied to years in the league. A chart of how it breaks done can be found here.
And the salary cap for this season was $58.68 million
Awesome and congrats!!
Now what happens first? Brandon makes 1st team or another Blazer shows up on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team?
Having learned not to doubt the franchise, I’m gonna bet on Roy.
I think LaMarcus can make 3rd team first.
Only reason being that both Kobe and Wade are going to be in the league for the next 2 to 3 years at least. And I can’t see either one of their games dropping off enough. Roy might be at their level later down the road, but he still doesn’t have the brand power that Kobe and Wade do, which will hurt him.
I think as Oden improves and as the rest of the team becomes harder to stop, Aldridge will see more one on one coverage and he’ll really start to dominate some teams. I think this, along with some other players dropping off/retiring, will be good enough to get him into the 3rd team at some point.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
I think Oden has a better shot to make 3rd team than Aldridge
or at least to be more deserving of it.
Oden will be a 1st team in a few years
LMA could make 3rd, he’s got the potential for it, but a lot has to go right.
With what our record will be, it’ll get guys extra votes even if they don’t deserve it. But I think Oden will be a 1st or 2nd team dude within 5 years. D-Ho will be pushed down to somewhere above Amare-Status in the eyes of the media… great finisher, not a great leader or helper of his teammates. Amare was a 1st team all NBA center before as well.
Unless we get hit by a meteor or sumthin’, Oden will supplant all. SO IT IS WRITTEN SO IT SHALL BE.
Krazy Uncle Morty
by Mortimer on May 13, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by hobobob on May 13, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Oden will be able to get past Howard
Howard is just too freakishly athletic. If Oden were to magically get back his Ohio State athleticism plus some, then maybe, but that’s being awfully optimistic.
I think Howard is overrated
Similar to how Amare was before this season. I don’t think Oden needs to regain all of his athleticism to be a better player than Howard… not as good of an ATHLETE, but a better NBA player who wins games (and still gets monster stats voters love). Better rebounder (once in better shape, which is inevitable), better passer, better touch at the hoop…
I got not much to base my opinion on aside from gut instinct and hunches though, so don’t worry… it’s not a belief I can prove reasonably.
Howard is a monster, but he’s a finisher, not a team-helper-outer. I see Oden as a guy you can give the ball to and he’ll help others score, which will make his scoring easier, and the entire team win more. When we’re winning 60+ and Oden is averaging 20/13, he’ll be a 1st teamer.
In-shape-ness, experience, and ridiculously bad foul problems is all that holds him back.
Morty
no.
Howard’s defense>>>Amare’s defense. Even though Howard is limited offensively, he’s an unbelievable defensive player, and I don’t see Oden reaching that level without getting all of his athleticism back.
How is he unbelievable?
He’s a great shotblocker, but can still be lazy one on one and on the pick and roll… and with a big man, is athleticism everything for defense?
Tim Duncan has been the best defender at his position for a long time, and I wouldn’t put him in the top 10 at his position for athleticism. Size, strength, physical nature, effort and willingness to defend… Oden has those. What he doesn’t have is good reactions right now, and he suffers from silly mistakes. And conditioning.
The physical attributes are more than there to be an amazing big man defender. Even if he doesn’t block as many shots as Howard. Oden appears to care more about defense right now, but what do I know— once he’s established in the league, maybe Oden will do the superstar center thing and be lazy except for blocking shots.
I doubt now-Howard could guard Yao as good as dumb-rookie-Oden did, though. Oden just needs to learn his way, get in shape, let the correct defense become instinct, and use his brute strength and athleticism to his advantage.
I PRESUME Oden will get more athleticism back, but like I always say, even if he don’t— simply being in shape will give him the APPEARANCE of gaining back a lot of athleticism. He’ll move faster, jump better, react quicker, etc… his conditioning and continued experience will fix a lot of the awkwardness and ‘lost athleticism’. For all we know at home, he simply has the same level of athleticism, but his conditioning will allow him to access it more consistently. It’ll trick all of us into believing the common wisdom of ‘athleticism somewhat returns in the 2nd year after micro’. I don’t mind it tricking us, as long as he’s in shape and out on the floor.
Howard is a beast, but his limitations will be focused on by everyone after a few years of stagnant progress. Same with Amare. They’re A-level players who still need a A-level player next to them to take them anywhere. I doubt Oden on his own would be enough to take a team somewhere (though his passing and team-play is ahead of where Howard is now, and that’s encouraging in a dumb rookie), but luckily we also got Roy.
Again, it’s all based on my hunches and gut. The main point in THIS response is, even if Howard is more athletic by a good deal even after Oden is in shape, it just means he’ll likely be a better shotblocker, not a better real defender.
Mortimer
You left out Bayless Morty. I know you swoon over him too.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
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Not THAT much
I’d be shocked if Bayless made an all-NBA team, you silly man you!
But I think Bayless could be a very nice fit next to Roy, since he can guard PGs and also create his own shot. If he doesn’t shoot how he shot in college though, it won’t be a very good fit.
I am big on Oden’s future, and very confident in him being very, very good. Bayless MIGHT be pretty good; allstar talent, but only on a bad team that would afford him a lot of shots to put up big numbers. That won’t be our team for my entire 30’s. In short, I don’t expect Bayless to be an allstar. I also wouldn’t stake my “reputation” on the kid with bold predictions of anything more than ’he’ll be a good player one way or another’.
But Oden? Oden will be great, barring a meteor hitting the Earth.
LMA will be good, not great, and possibly overrated due to our team winning 60+ a year.
Mortimer
I've heard people say that Rasheed,
could have been the best player in the league had he wanted to. I think LMA will have that same moment, though I’d rather him not.
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
I didn't even think of that.
But you’re right. He’s got far less competition at center. Only Howard and Yao are likely to stay ahead of him for any length of time. Good call.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
K*be's going downhill fast
He’s been in the league for 13 seasons now. That’s a lot of wear and tear. I don’t care who you are, or how hard you train, you will break down after 13-15 seasons.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say
Roy will never make the 1st team (barring an injury of course). Even after Kobe retires, Roy still has to get past Wade and Paul to make first team. There’s just no way Roy will pass those guys and perhaps more importantly there is absolutely no way he passes them in the minds of the sportswriters who vote on the award. Brandon just isn’t the type of player that grabs your attention and screams “I am first team All NBA!” into your ear.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
You mean Williams over Roy?
Yeah that was plain wrong, not even accounting for D-Wills injury. But in essence they are very similar players.
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
Yep that's what I meant.
He chose a player for 2nd team that didn’t end up making any of the teams. He’s lucky Brandon didn’t end up on the third team by only a few points.
They’re similar players, but Brandon deserved to be ranked over Deron this year. I have no doubt Deron will try to return the favor next year, he’s a great player.
eh
I tend to think Deron gets a bit overrated… there are people who think he is better than Roy and Paul, but Tony Parker is probably the second best point guard.
Of those four, he has the worst turnover rate and the lowest usage rate… he’s a great player, just half a step below.
draft rodrigue beaubois
What about drafting Taylor Griffin?
He seems like he could provide some good D and has range on his jumper.
LaMarcus only got 1 less vote than Devin Harris...
How about that?!
hell yeah thats my guy right here gettn some respect
if brandon roy played for toronto he'd be brandon waaaaah
It's kinda weird having someone THIS good on our team...
i love Brandon Roy.
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by RoodiePhirnandizz on May 13, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions
Whatever bro.
i’ll freakin come down there and arm wrestle you any day of the week.
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by RoodiePhirnandizz on May 13, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He would be on the Third All-Defense team if that existed with the votes he got. Seriously.
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
There SHOULD be one
And I’m serious there as well.
Even though it’ll be filled with lots of people who rack of defensive stats but aren’t good defenders, guys like Joel deserve an award like 3rd team all defense.
Mortu’plissdifferiss
I'm living vicariously through my son
To celebrate, I went out and bought a Brandon Roy poster, which of course I gave to my son to put up in his room. Cause if I tried to put it up in my room, my wife would… well it would never happen.
Fond memories of me wallpapering my room with sports posters and photos when I was a kid. Walter Payton, Michael Jordan… ah the 80’s.
Does this mean he is a keeper?
nice.
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Oden
has the easiest road to an all-nba team on the Blazers. He’s already a better offensive player than Dwight and we already know he can rebound the hell out of the ball. He just needs to get healthy and stay on the floor.
Congratulation on the surprising choice Brandon!
I’m guessing Artest’s generous comments about you didn’t hurt the cause any.
Next on your agenda: The Championship.
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