The Season in Review: Channing Frye
by Dave on May 12, 2009 1:18 AM PDT
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Today we shine the roster spotlight on Channing Frye.
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Channing Frye's 2008-09 stats...
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Statistic |
2008-2009 |
2007-2008 |
Net Change |
|
Games Played |
63 |
78 |
-15 |
|
Games Started |
1 |
20 |
-19 |
|
Minutes per Game |
11.8 |
17.2 |
-5.4 |
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Points per Game |
4.2 |
6.8 |
-2.6 |
|
FG ATT per Game |
4.2 |
5.8 |
-1.6 |
|
Field Goal% |
42.3% |
48.8% |
-6.5% |
|
3PT ATT per Game |
0.5 |
0.1 |
+0.4 |
|
Three-Point% |
33.3% |
30.0% |
+3.3% |
|
FT ATT per Game |
0.6 |
1.4 |
-0.8 |
|
Free Throw% |
72.2% |
78.0% |
-5.8% |
|
Off Rebs per Game |
0.7 |
1.4 |
-0.7 |
|
Def Rebs per Game |
1.6 |
3.2 |
-1.6 |
|
TOT Rebs per Game |
2.2 |
4.5 |
-2.3 |
|
Assists |
0.4 |
0.7 |
-0.3 |
|
Steals |
0.3 |
0.4 |
-0.1 |
|
Blocks |
0.3 |
0.3 |
--- |
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Turnovers |
0.5 |
0.7 |
-0.2 |
|
Personal Fouls |
1.7 |
2.7 |
-1.0 |
|
Effective FG% |
44.4% |
49.1% |
-4.7% |
|
True Shooting% |
46.5% |
52.9% |
-6.4% |
|
PER |
10.0 |
14.8 |
-4.8 |
|
Plus-Minus |
-1.92 |
+0.55 |
-2.47 |
In a perfect world Channing Frye would always be a Portland Trail Blazer. Most media members I've heard from have a near-unnatural fondness for the guy. He's described as the perfect fit for Portland's culture, a guy who brings jocularity to the locker room, a guy who handles his business like a pro, a guy who can take interviews that other players shy away from and turn them into a positive. If this were a personality contest or we were engaged in culture wars, Channing would be an All-Star on his way to getting his jersey raised.
The problem is, none of that is translating onto the court right now.
You'd have to be obtuse to pin that solely on Frye. He's a forward-center. LaMarcus Aldridge is this team's present and future at power forward. He's only leaving scraps of playing time in his wake. Joel Przybilla was the team's irreplaceable stalwart at center this year and Greg Oden is not only the heir apparent, he's the Emperor in waiting. There are no center minutes to be had. Channing Frye is 25 years old and talented. This isn't the right roster fit for him. From his perspective, career-wise, he pretty much wasted a year here. He could be at peak performance and it wouldn't matter much.
Of course that's a moot point as he's not at peak performance. His rookie year in New York was memorable, his second year forgettable. The same pattern has held for his two seasons in Portland. Every stat declined this year, save a modest bump in three-point attempts and percentage (which for a guy who's supposed to be a power forward could be as much of a critique as a blessing). Many of his stats declined at a faster rate than his decreasing minutes. Particularly disturbing were his declines in all aspects of field goal percentage: normal, effective, true, inverted, double-dutched, triple-filtered...you name it, it sunk into oblivion. Channing's promise is primarily offensive. This is the toll of doom for him. He drifted farther and farther outside and became less and less productive as his role continued to decline.
Channing's secondary benefit is rebounding. His production was cut in half there. Ring that bell again.
The team did far, far better offensively when Channing was on the bench. Like many of Portland's reserves he didn't get a chance to play with consistent scorers. However that difference was -12 points per 100 possessions which is awfully large to explain away. The defense also allowed 6 more points per 100 possessions when he was playing than it did when he was on the bench, another huge gap. Rebounding and free throws also declined when he was in.
Nor did Channing survive the PER gap test we've been applying to most of the players. He trended negative in almost every category versus his counterparts at power forward and center, particularly so at the 5-spot.
The real telling moments came in the playoffs, however. With Przybilla and Oden in foul trouble and LaMarcus frustrated and worn thin the Blazers were desperate for big-man help. Channing got 20 minutes in Game 1, 10 in Game 3, and barely played after that. He ended the series 5-14 with 12 points and 3 rebounds. Not in a game, mind you...for the series. It's not so much that you expect him to produce better than that in 36 total minutes spread over 6 games. It's that you expect the Blazers to rely on him more than that. The fact that they didn't shows you quite a bit about Channing's current status, if not his future.
If Channing does remain with the Blazers he'll have a hard time carving out playing time unless somebody gets injured. He'll need to re-assert himself on the boards first and foremost. He also needs to round out his offensive game more. He'll never be an interior post player but he does need to show more than just the face-up 20-footer.
Even with the down season, Channing still has plenty of potential and a nice career ahead of him. You could easily see him in a Joe Smith role. In the right situation he'd be productive again immediately. He could start for some teams and play a major role off the bench for more.
The Blazers are going to have multiple options with Channing as he's entering the fourth year of his rookie-scale contract. One of the cardinal rules of good roster management is never lose something for nothing. Even if the Blazers decide they don't have use for Channing's services they may not release him outright. You may see an offer made and rescinded if a better option comes along during the summer. You may see an offer made, accepted, and then a trade happen. You may see an offer made and accepted for a single year of service after which Channing will be unrestricted. It's almost certain, though, that even if the Blazers make a qualifying offer that Frye will want to test the waters of restricted free agency. This situation is hardly ideal for him. He'll at least want to look at what's out there. Were I his agent I'd insist on it even if Channing had his heart set on staying in Portland for some reason. I cannot imagine the Blazers matching any significant offer for him if one is made.
What's your take on the Frye situation? Is being a really, really good guy with talent enough for you to want to keep him even if there's no room? How much does it pain you to see him not play? To consider him playing somewhere else? What's his value to you and to the team?
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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He doesn't fit
He’s best suited for a pick’n’roll offense, but for that to work with the Blazers he needed more playing time, and spend it all with Sergio on the court.
I really like him, but he’ll probably be gone.
Fare thee well, Mr Frye, best of luck for you.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
by DaniBCN on May 12, 2009 1:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see him as more of a back with D'Antonie Knicks guy. Runs the floors well and can pop out for the 3.
If he could run the pick and roll then we should pay him more as a coach here and teach not only our current and confusious say future point guard, hopefully they will already know from watching previos Stockton to Malone highlights!, but our coach as well! I say pay out and bring in Patrick Ewing! He obviously is being sold out brom Orlando to New York who doesnt want him as an assistant. I dont think he is the one who taught Dwight, SuperMan Steriods, Howard what Vitamins to use but without the steriods he could definetley bring along Greg and he looks older which might help Greg’s self-esteem ;)
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A meant Back-Up...How do you edit btw?
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly, there is no edit function
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on May 12, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen some people talk about an edit function
and even those this is really OT for Frye’s thread I just thought I’d add
an edit function would be great so long as the edited section was distinguished from the unedited (perhaps with a strikethrough).
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on May 12, 2009 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a forward.
He should no longer to considered a forward-center.
He is a finesse forward.
He might want to lose 5-10 pounds to improve his quickness.
They should not offer him anything big. If he’d agree to a very modest multi-year deal maybe. As an insurance big. But right now he is a 10 minute player you’d rather not use.
I thought the Knicks were crazy to give up on him but they weren’t. He is just not that inspired / competitive. He had a rare opportunity to make tens of millions more playing a game but unless he does a total turnaround he won’t.
by StatRaven on May 12, 2009 2:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea if Frye is an influence on Oden but...
if he is, I’d trade Frye / not re=sign him or steer him toward other influences.
The nice guy stuff is nice and doesn’t have to a weakness but Frye has taken advantage of being a nice guy and not concentrated enough on delivering rebounds, defense, play action and finishing.
by StatRaven on May 12, 2009 2:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheap and inaccurate blow
Channing worked his @$$ off last summer and came into fall camp in great shape before they discovered he had bone spurs in his ankle and needed surgery. Frye came back from surgery early and it really hurt his play.
I’m not saying that Frye played well, he didn’t. His game declined and ultimately he has to be responsible for that. But it was not for lack of effort. The guy worked hard all year. Being nice has little to do with being good.
by upper left corner on May 12, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
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Frye’s biggest problem was LA. Frye would have a lot more fans and better numbers had LA been hurt for a few games.
by tominhawaii on May 12, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're saying Frye just needed playing time?
by MiledAnimal on May 12, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not here
Just that’ he is good enough to play. He was pretty good the year before when LA went down.
by tominhawaii on May 12, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
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by Honka Playboy on May 12, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish he did fit.
Kind of an enigma. You can only wonder why he never improved over the years. I remember the promise he showed in NY his first season. He got some attention, some buzz, the next season saw his minutes drop big time. He was filler in the Steve Francis trade that said goodbye to Zack. NY was more than willing to let him go. Thought KP might have gotten a good player, he certainly fit in to KP’s culture. Too bad never on the court.
Really thought he would have a breakout season this year. Before the season even started the buzz was he had developed a pretty good outside shot. Well yeah, but just couldn’t hit it consistently in games. Not a power forward, a small forward that cant dribble. That has one spot up shot from about 18 – 20 feet. Not even a three ball.
The only problem is he really has no real value right now. Maybe thrown in a trade to make the numbers work. Hes such a glue guy though and doesn’t seem to mind not getting playing time.
by lethaldose on May 12, 2009 2:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You are rewriting history.
Francis was the dead weight contract in the trade. That is why Portland bought him out. Channing was the promising young big. He was certainly not filler.
We traded Zack for Channing and paid Steve as the price.
by upper left corner on May 12, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We traded Zack for Channing and paid Steve as the price.
We traded Zach for Channing and a trade exception, intended to be sent to Phoenix for James Jones and the draft pick that turned into Rudy Fernandez. Francis was the price for all of that.
by Timmay! on May 12, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
Thanks for pointing out the trade exception. Makes me feel better about the whole thing.
by upper left corner on May 12, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys see Rash_Weed Dollars....And see How the 3 to their Game will bring IT!
Too bad Rash_Weed lost his heart before and after he got payed and won an NBA Championship. I HATE THAT GUY FOREVER…Both Teams played Well…BS…Rasheed you have No Passion!
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 2:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
" Both Team Played Hard " sorry was speaking RashEbonics
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is absolutely no indication that Frye is a "mercenary" type player looking for a check.
The man is not playing just for $. He has almost nothing in common with Wallace, other than being a finesse 4 with a good stroke.
Frye has shown plenty of passion and effort. He just never figured out how to be successful here. His first season he mostly played out of position at the “5.” His second season, he had ankle surgery at the beginning of the season and never really found his stroke. He didn’t play well, but your accusation is untrue and unfair.
by upper left corner on May 12, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Channing Frye won't be tendered a one-year, $4,264,761 qualfying offer and'll be wished good luck in life.
That’s that.
by AK1984 on May 12, 2009 2:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see a sign and trade though to a team...Maybe for Michael Redd?
Tey have bangers like Bogut and Matte but lack someone to open up to lane for someone like a resigned Ramon Sessions. Also Nate loved Michael on the Dream Team in ’07 before he had to pull out due to injury. Imagine….
Hinrich
Roy
Redd
Aldridge
Oden
Bayless
Rudy
Martell
Brandon Bass
The Thrilla …
Paul Allen…. Where Money Happens!
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luc Mbah a Moute ....How do you edit before posting?
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edit before posting?
Uh…the backspace button. You should try preview before you post.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on May 12, 2009 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it's all about the preview button
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on May 12, 2009 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And about less Terminator Beer drinking watching the playoffs wishing that....
The Blazers had learned that the three awesome pick and rolls in game in a row 4 for dunks should have been further used.
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And bringing Oden to the free-throw line and rollling him to the basket works a lot better
than bringing him to the 3-point line and settting a weak pick only for Brandon to go one on one to pass to Outlaw for a carnival….nooo…yesssss..nooo….yeeeeeeessss…NOOOOOOO!!!, Shot.
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 3:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, there really needs to be a main page post here by Storyteller regarding the specifics as to ...
why Channing Frye isn’t a realistic candidate to be included in a sign-and-trade deal this off-season.
I implore everyone to read through http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm ’til they fully get it.
by AK1984 on May 12, 2009 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he has a Qualifying Offer, but we could renounce his rights
Resign him, Bird Rights ( See also : Carlos Boozer without the big payday and signing outright with another team with cap space ), and trade him for an a player 15% above or below his newly signed contract. Or with our trade exception, Michael Ruffin, for a draft pick as well.
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You lose the Bird Rights to a renounced player, i.e. you can't go over the cap to re-sign him
Except if you renounced him specifically to create the necessary cap room to acquire another team’s restricted free agent and signed him to an official offer, but the team of the free agent matches to retain him. Not if we would need the cap space for a trade or after you signed an unrestricted free agent. And also not if taking back the renouncement would bring us from under the cap to above the cap or further above the cap. Which makes sense, since the team signaled keeping their player isn’t all that important to them when they renounced, so why should they be granted an exception to the CBA rules (any trading above the cap is essentially an exception) to keep him. However if another team “destroys” your plans by matching, they want to put you back into a position no worse than before.
As for your idea regarding Michael Redd, the salaries wouldn’t match and no team would accept a Channing Frye who makes Michael Redd-type money ($17 million next season, followed by $18). Redd might be traded, but I would be highly surprised if it was to us due to the position he plays and the money he makes, and even more so if it was for Channing.
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
by Norsktroll on May 12, 2009 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Norsktroll, you explained that in a much calmer manner than I'd've done it.
Also, it must be noted that a re-signed Channing Frye would be a base-year compensation player if he received a raise of more than 120% of his previous annual salary.
Additionally, Channing Frye may just sign the one-year, $4,264,761 qualfying offer as soon as he’s tendered it — which’d be a fiscally smart move by him if the Portland Trail Blazers front office is that inept — and have a contract that includes a no-trade clause due to him losing his Bird rights if he’s dealt that season; thus, it’s imperative that he’s non-tendered by 6/30/2009 and sent on his way into the unchartered waters of unrestricted free agency.
Now, in the unlikely scenario Frye is tendered hia qualifying offer and he signs the thing, it’s possible that he’d later waive his no-trade clause. For example, Vladimir Radmanovic did exactly that when the Seattle SuperSonics traded him to the Los Angeles Clippers for Chris Wilcox in 2006.
Also, when it comes to matching trades, the amount of incoming and outgoing salaries is 125% + $100,000 — except in cases involving base-year compensation players (e.g., Mike Dunleavy, Jr. from Golden State to Indiana in 2007), poison pill provision players (e.g., Devin Harris from Dallas to New Jersey last season), trade exceptions (e.g., James Jones from Phoenix to Portland in 2007), minimum-level salary exceptoins (e.g., Sam Cassell from Boston to Sacramento this season), et cetera — and not the 115% claimed by “The Odenator52” in his above post.
Anyhow, everybody should read through http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm — as well as use the ESPN or RealGM trade checkers — before making trade proposals.
by AK1984 on May 12, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think we can get redd for frye?
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on May 12, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sucks, but we love him.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on May 12, 2009 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see Channing flourishing in the Heat system. We already have one PF
Who learned how to get a big payday from " Both Teams Played Hard " and decided to expand his game rather that work on rebounding and help defense, although shows he can ran the fast break and finish. Which would be good to bring off the bench if we had a penetrrating point gaurd who sets up the post players and opens the offense.
by TheOdenator52 on May 12, 2009 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The heat does seem like good place to put ex blazers
Maybe portland could work out a menage-a-trade with miami and another team.
Must... ...not... ...like... ...the... ...Nuggets....
by appel82 on May 12, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Menage-a-trade
You pay double for that kind of action…
by DonkeyShins on May 12, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The heat already have Haslem and Beasley
They certainly aren’t shopping for a power forward.
by boppitywop on May 12, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the heat channing would play center
Jermaine is their only center, they need bigs.
Must... ...not... ...like... ...the... ...Nuggets....
by appel82 on May 12, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Miami Heat have no need for Channing Frye.
The Heat need a low-post scorer, though, with restricted free-agent David Lee making a lot of sense down in South Beach. It, however, would take a gigantic sign-and-trade deal to make Lee joining the Heat a reality, but a frontline tandem of him and Jermaine O’Neal would be a nice setup. Lee would play center on offense and power forward on defense, while O’Neal would play power forward on offense and center on defense.
Anyhow, here’s my idea of getting Lee in Miami.
1. On 7/8/2009, the New York Knicks re-sign Lee to a six-year, $60,000,000 contract, with non-escalating salaries of $10,000,000 annually and an early termination option he can exercise after the fourth season.
2. The Knicks and Heat subsequently complete the following trade.
FROM MIAMI & TO NEW YORK
C Mark Blount ($7,967,375)
PF Udonis Haslem ($7,100,000)
SF Dorell Wright ($2,887,165)
SG Yakhouba Diawara ($945,000)
Outgoing: $18,899,540 X 125% + $100,000 = 23,724,425
Incoming: $22,075,486
FROM NEW YORK & TO MIAMI
C Eddy Curry ($10,500,423) {15% Trade Kicker}
PF David Lee ($10,000,000) {Base-Year Compensation Player}
Outgoing: $15,500,423 X 125% + $100,000 = $19,475,528
Incoming: $18,899,540
3. The Knicks receive four players who’ve got expiring contracts, which helps the team in its objective of clearing as much salary cap space as is possible for the summer of 2010. In this proposed deal, the Knicks cut $11,276,863 in salary obligations for the 2010-2011 season. Yet, for the upcoming season, Udonis Haslem is the only one who’s got any on-court value; thus, Donnie Walsh would release Mark Blount, Dorell Wright, and Yakhouba Diawara.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/3/863462/miller-skips-out-on-team-meeting#15199866
by AK1984 on May 12, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just imagine
AK having a file drawer full of plans for every team’s needs and every possible scenario to get Player A to Team B for Player C.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
by MrGrinch on May 13, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave nailed my feelings about Channing exactly
If this were a personality contest or we were engaged in culture wars, Channing would be an All-Star on his way to getting his jersey raised.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on May 12, 2009 2:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice guy and he plays video game
Whats not to like? Except for the whole production on the court thingy i guess. I had high hopes for him this year. I wonder if it would have been different if there was no preseason surgery. But based on the lack of improvement throughout the season i doubt it
- Neil
by Blazin'aTrail on May 12, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Channing, honey, we need to talk ...
We both came into this with the best of intentions. And it was OK for a while, it was. But now things are so different you know, and, well, Greg’s here full time and we really could use a banger inside at the 4 and … it just doesn’t feel like we can make this work anymore, either of us.
It’s not that I don’t like you … I do, really. And that’s what makes this so hard.
Look, I don’t like this anymore than you, but we both know what needs to happen. I think it’s better we just do this quickly. Rip the band-aid right off. It’s over, Channing. I’m sorry.
Sure we can still see each other on occasion … like whenever we’re in Sacto or Minneapolis or (gulp) Oklahoma.
Please take care of yourself, Channing. I know I’ve said some harsh things, we all have, but know you are loved.
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by Y5k on May 12, 2009 3:34 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Nicely said
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
by Norsktroll on May 12, 2009 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beautiful
I like the whole team.
by RenoBlazerFan on May 12, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the coaching staff screwed Frye
He seemed to mostly work on his outside shot last off season, and even said his shot would be needed to open up the floor for Oden. I bet the coaching staff asked him to work on that last off season. At the start of the season, he didn’t play because of his injury and then Nate didn’t play him because of his lack of rebounding, since he was always on the perimeter. If there is one thing I’ve learned on Blazers Edge, it’s that players don’t under perform, the coach under utilizes.
I honestly can’t think of a way for Frye to stay on the team. My hope is that he goes someplace for a while and makes some money then pulls a Ken Griffey Jr. near the end of his career.
by tominhawaii on May 12, 2009 6:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Spot on.
Frye worked his tush off last summer, on conditioning and on extending his shooting range. I can’t imagine he spent hours and hours shooting if the team wanted him to work on his low post moves
It was a reasonable idea. If Channing could have nailed a higher % of open 20’ jumpers he would have been an excellent weapon against Yao and other big men by forcing them out of the paint. Unfortunately, Channing couldn’t hit enough of them to be very effective, and his defense is not good enough for us to keep him out on the floor.
Sometimes the grass seems greener. The Blazers have two big guys who shoot Js. We tend to undervalue this skill, and focus on the rebounds and free-throws that are lost by having big guys on the perimeter.
Look at Brad Miller and other bigs who can shoot from outside. They can drive you crazy and force you to change your line-up when they are nailing Js from the top of the key.
I still think Channing has enough game to be effective in this league, but neither he or Nate fugured out a way for him to do it here.
by upper left corner on May 12, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers tend to OVERVALUE this skill. Compare and contrast: Sacramento (pre-salary dump) with Houston...
The Blazers have two big guys who shoot Js. We tend to undervalue this skill, and focus on the rebounds and free-throws that are lost by having big guys on the perimeter.
The Blazers need a minimum of 1, and preferably 2, Power Forwards that play within 15 feet of the hoop.
Just watch the Rockets. They get it.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 12, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scola and Landry take their fare share of 15-20 footers
by jksnake99 on May 12, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not even a comparison
From the hot spots, Landry took ~20% of his shots outside of 15 feet, Scola took ~24% of his shots outside of 15 feet. LaMarcus took 34% of his shots outside of 15 feet, and Channing took ~70% from 15 feet and out.
Landry and Scola are much more comparable to Nene and K-Mart (17% and 28%) than they are to our guys.
by Royster on May 12, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry that was a little more antagonistic than I meant
I couldn’t agree more with:
I’m just saying the 15-20 foot jumper isn’t a bad skill to have… and that the Houston 4s make good use of it. Solely relying on 2 pointers with your feet on the 3 point line on the other hand, is a problem
which is what you were trying to say from the beginning, I think.
by Royster on May 12, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a mistake for Frye to focus so much on his perimeter jump shooting.
by NBR on May 16, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll play Channing's agent and try to find a good new home for him
PF depth charts and salary situation especially regarding free agency:
- Atlanta: Backup in rotation. Only Josh Smith under contract, and inexperienced Randolph Morris as C backup. Have cap space.
- Boston: Unlikely. Will try to retain Davis and/or Powe. Have Scalabrine as expiring contract.
- Charlotte: Backup in rotation. Only Boris Diaw under contract, and Gerald Wallace occasionally plays PF. Sean May very likely won’t be back (see fanshots). Not much cap space. Maybe a better situation for Shav?
- Chicago: Unlikely. Have Tim and Tyrus Thomas.
- Cleveland: Unlikely. Will try to retain Varejao, maybe Smith. Have J.J. Hickson to develop.
- Dallas: Unlikely especially if Bass stays. Similar situation like in Portland, with the starter gobbling up all minutes.
- Denver: Unlikely. They have depth on his position. And I hope he doesn’t even like Denver :)
- Detroit: Possible if McDyess leaves. But they will rather try to attract someone like Boozer and have Amir Johnson as backup
- Golden State: Highly unlikely with Randolph, Wright, …
- Houston: Highly unlikely with Hayes, Landry, Cook
- Indiana: Backup in rotation. Mateo Baston is probably leaving. And Channing would be upgrade over good ole McRoberts
- LA Clippers: Now that would be interesting, uniting him with the other part of the trade. But unlikely.
- LA Lakers: Do it for Timbo :) Potentially if Odom leaves. Channing wouldn’t be bad in a triangle offense.
- Memphis: Rotation, might even be a starter. Only Darrell Arthur under contract next year. Have loads of cap space.
- Miami: Unlikely with Beasley, Haslem, … and over the cap
- Milwaukee: Maybe if they lose Villanueva, but they might look for cheaper solutions.
- Minnesota: Highly unlikely due to a lot of committed salary to three PFs even though it would work talent-wise
- New Jersey: Highly unlikely, very crowded position for the Nets
- New Orleans: Highly unlikely, starter takes a lot of minutes and backup Wright needs to be developed, plus Marks
- New York: Unlikely, won’t commit to additional salary before 2010, expect Jeffries back
- Oklahoma: Unlikely, especially not if they land another big man (especially Griffin) in the draft. Have D.J. White to develop.
- Orlando: Could use him, but have salary tied up with one more year of Tony Battie and no cap space.
- Philadelphia: Forget about it, they are filling the whole chart there
- Phoenix: Unlikely with the emergence of Amundson as a cheap backup solution
- Portland: Unlikely. As we said, not the ideal situation for Channing
- Sacramento: Unlikely, they will try to keep Ike, can play Nocion in stretches there and might pick up another big man in the draft
- San Antonio: Unlikely, no minutes available. No cap space.
- Toronto: Unlikely, no minutes available. Might go with a Euro solution.
- Utah: Maybe if they lose Millsap or Boozer since their center backups are true centers. Style doesn’ fit. Maybe could switch AK or Okur over.
- Washington: Unlikely, not many minutes available.
Good candidates: Memphis, Atlanta, Charlotte. Outside chances with top team: Lakers, Orlando. Would a team be willing to use part of the MLE for Channing?
I think he can be a very solid rotation player in the league, if not a LMA light starter. And once he puts up 10+ points and 5+ rebounds again we will hear comments of “oh look what Channing does for X, we should not have let him go. Bench guy Z sucks in comparison”. But right now we have to admit Portland is not the best situation for him. I wish him the best.
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
by Norsktroll on May 12, 2009 6:25 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Add Indiana to the good candidates
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
by Norsktroll on May 12, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Atlanta
would give up the rights to Josh Childress!
by BrewDude on May 12, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely think Sacramento is on the list...
1. Channing will be a cheap contract for a 6’11" player. And Sacramento is broke.
2. Frye plays “Sacramento style” offensively — in which the bigs hit open jumpers from range because the jumpers are open because they are bigs taking the shots. (And in which Sacramento loses a lot of games because its big jumper shooters take jumpers instead of high percentage shots in close and rebounding).
Hawes, Nocioni, and Frye — the Three Peas.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 12, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be if they don't land Griffin or take Thabeet as their new big man to move Hawes over
Not sure Channing will go to Sacramento on a rebuilding team and a city he stated he doesn’t like if he would have other options though.
"Officiating has to be a science, not an art" - Rick Carlisle
by Norsktroll on May 12, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure channing fully ripped on sacto for being the armpit of LA.
I think he’d be happier in OKC and they could use a 4.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on May 13, 2009 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't count out Miami
Beasley will be a SF by next year.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on May 12, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, think that Shavlik Randolph would be a nice fit with the Charlotte Bobcats, but the team has a ...
wasted draft pick (i.e., Alexis Anjica) taking up roster space as its third-string power forward. Yet, with both Sean May and Juwan Howard unlikely to return there, I could see Channing Frye signing with the Bobcats as a backup for Boris Diaw.
Of course, Gerald Wallace and Vladimir Radmanovic are both capable of playing power forward in spurts for the Bobcats — while the team may also select somebody such as Earl Clark or James Johnson with its 12th pick to be Diaw’s primary backup, although a more likely scenario is a point guard like Ty Lawson being taken to replace Raymond Felton — thus, it’s hard to project if Frye would fit in there.
by AK1984 on May 12, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Push the eject button K.P.!
I thuoght the way he was used in the offence was most of the problem in Frye’s defence. Hey Nate, there is a reason that Frye is open from 22 feet, just like Shaq, Tim Duncan or any other 7 footer, it’s not their office.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on May 12, 2009 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Big men who can shoot from outside can be a very potent weapon.
See Brad Miller, Will Purdue, Bill Lambeer.
I think Channing’s problem was that he never hit quite enough of those shots to force the opposing coach to respond and Frye’s defense is not very good.
by upper left corner on May 12, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH, MY GOD! Tell me you did not just make an analogy between Channing Frye and Bill Lambeer...........
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 12, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
( hear that. ... WOW!)
Please, Channing, PLEASE become the next Bill Lambeer and i will write a blog post, certified letter, get tattoos, whatever it takes to get you back with our Blazers. As much as I cursed Lambeer back in the day, I would love if he wore black and red.
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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by Y5k on May 12, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lighten up, and please don't put words in my mouth
I said what I said: “Big men who can shoot are very potent weapons”
Channing didn’t shoot well enough. He shot selection was highly questionable, and his defense is lousy.
My point was to remind folks that it is not always folly to have your big guy on the outside. That is all.
BEdgers seemed to have fixated on low post play as the only way for bigs to be successful.
by upper left corner on May 12, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm the one making jokes here!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 12, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he never hit enough... and he was taking the wrong shots!
He needed to be shooting 3s, not long 2s. If all those 20+ footers were 3s, and he was shooting 40% (or close to it), he would have been a player the other team needed to adjust to.
by jksnake99 on May 12, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed His shot selection was frequently poor
by upper left corner on May 12, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet they continue to pass him the ball.....
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on May 12, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd fit in well in Phoenix
What would you take from Phx for Channing and Jerryd, both UoA products? Phx will be dealing.
by BrewDude on May 12, 2009 8:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Channing needs to shoot more 3s and less 2s with his feet on the line
Those make me want to throw things.
I like Channing but its time to move on.
by jksnake99 on May 12, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, this one is going to be hard...
Without invalidating that point, let me also say that there’s criticism and then there’s crap. The two aren’t the same. Use the stats, use your observations, use lessons you’ve learned from history or watching the rest of the league, use your gut instinct if you want. If any of those lead you to a critical observation, so be it. But nobody cares which player you think is a clueless idiot. Nobody cares that you think Player X “sucks”. And none of these players kept the team from winning 70 and a championship this year. It’s tedious to read that kind of thing. If you’re going to criticize, substantiate and let us debate.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 12, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But seriously, folks, Norskie had done Channing's agent's homework for him... He'll find a home out there...
I still have an uneasy feeling that KP will resign him rather than cut the cord and lose him though. The fact that Frye was getting playing time in the playoffs instead of DNP-CDs gives me pause.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 12, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he's definetely gone
Houston’s the one matchup where he’s theoretically useful (as a guy who can make Yao leave the paint to guard a jump shooter), the only problem is that Frye rarely actually made his shots this year, not to mention his struggles on D.
No need to worry.
by jksnake99 on May 12, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah! don't say definitely
until it is
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 12, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Channing
Although you just don’t fit our needs for a back up PF with the Portland Traiblazers we do apprieciate all that you have brought to us and if for any reason this whole basketball thing doesn’t work out for you, you are always welcome back as play by play announcer.
by jlarose78 on May 12, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Channing stay.
Our bigs have had to many injuries to let him go. If a trade for a better player comes up and we take it ok, but one more year for him to show what he can do if he is healthy would be prudent. Channing has picked up his intensity on defense. I think he will be a decent three point threat next year. If the Blazers go deep into the playoffs next year we may want or need to rest our bigs at the end of the regular season and Channing is just the guy to provide that luxury.
I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!
by Kampeska on May 12, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he's comfortable with staying and being a role player
Or perhaps even a NPC (D&D geek reference). The problem is, with the amount of money he’s supposed to be making, he should be playing more minutes and would probably expect it. On the other hand if he said, “Hey, KP: I’d like to stay in Portland and am willing to renegotiate my contract from $17M this year and $18M next year to something in the $5-6M range.” then I’d say keep him as insurance.
by DonkeyShins on May 12, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well sure ...
if he’s willing to work for peanuts (says this big spenda’) then yeah, of course keep him. On the other hand, I think there are contract rule that give him no-less-than BIG MONEY each additional year he is in the league. (I could be wrong.)
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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by Y5k on May 12, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye Channing Frye--
I know you need 20 minutes a game regularly to be productive. Sorry it didn’t work out here…I will give you a big standing O when you come back to Portland. Maybe you will move back to Portland after you retire. That would be cool. Good luck.
I like the whole team.
by RenoBlazerFan on May 12, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want him to go somewhere else for his sake next year
Get some good minutes, enjoy a few seasons of averaging about 8pts and 4 bds in 20 minutes.
When he’s about 30 he can come back here and retire after finishing his career on the bench.
Then he can take Antonio’s spot.
We would all love him doing that I think.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on May 12, 2009 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've said before that I just like him
and I do. That’s why I want to keep him.
I was about to type other reasons, such as the fact that he, more than anyone else, seemed especially disappointed in his own season. But really, I just like him as a person. I also kind of hope he is resigned to reduce the toxic levels of Smugness here.
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 12, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
can we send him to the Finland league for a while?
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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by Y5k on May 12, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he just take Rebecca Haarlow's job?
I would love to see him as our side line reporter, or working along side Mike and Mike.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on May 12, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or he could take Mike Rice's job
or Antonio Harvey’s.
by jksnake99 on May 12, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know..he would be so entertaining.
"We believe" -Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on May 12, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No seriously, thats exactly what I've been thinking...
Aside from my hopes that we can package Sergio and Channing together somehow to get David Lee from the Knicks, I would love to see Channing return to the Blazers in a broadcasting capacity once his NBA run is over. I actually think that might time itself quite nicely with Mike Rice’s eventual retirement.
by conspirator5 on May 12, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, we GOT Channing from the Knicks, but...
In a club that is now +D’antoni and -Starbury, I see Channing being much happier there.
by conspirator5 on May 12, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Channing is a great guy
But even if we didn’t have LMA, we’d want an upgrade at the PF spot.
I know he has the rep for being a big who can run, but he’s actually rather plodding. Now, LMA is a big man who can run… Frye is a jump shooting big who may have ran in college, but now is slow and unathletic compared to someone like LMA, and the only real thing they have in common is a propensity for jumpers.
When he’s been inside he isn’t a bad rebounder, but isn’t good… and he just has no inside game at all, which is crazy for someone with his wingspan and height. He’s built up his body for the inside game, which is great, but he is outside all game and picking up silly fouls otherwise.
Ya couldn’t ask for a better guy for the media, the fans, the locker room, and clearly a hard worker… he is a starter next to the right center (Dwight Howard?), and if given minutes there is no reason he won’t average 15 and 7 with some big games when he gets hot. It just won’t be a GOOD 15 and 7.
He isn’t as bad as his numbers suggest, but his problems are more than just being behind LMA and Oden and Joel. He isn’t very athletic, takes waaaaay too many jumpers, easily manhandled still, and really makes a lot of “dumb” low BBIQ sort of plays (proving that one can be a bonehead on the court and it doesn’t mean he is a bonehead off of it). I love the guy, and we Portland fans fall in love with the person and not just the player, but he just isn’t a good fit.
More than anyone we’re likely going to lose, I feel the worst for Frye, because he can do more than he has shown. It’s a contract year for him, and he accepted the reality of the situation without making a scene about it. He’s going to get paid a lot less than what he woulda’ got if he just got minutes… but he knew there just weren’t that many minutes for him here. I know he’ll find a home, and I hope he takes a short contract somewhere that he knows he’ll get minutes so he can earn that big(ger) contract (a MLE sized deal) he will be worth on a team that needs a jump shooting PF.
It’s not you, it’s us, and we’ll always love you Channing.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on May 12, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like Channing as much as the next guy
but does anyone else wonder if the Oregonian put an article about any other Blazer’s summer work-out regimen in the newspaper, would they automatically be considered the “work-horse extraordinaire”? I love Channing too, but I’m just wondering if we are neglecting all of the work other Trailblazers put into the off-season because of an article about Frye taking boxing lessons.
Thoughts?
Blake4Prez2012!!!
by Blake4Prez2012 on May 12, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard a lot about Blake's off-season workouts
also Frye stuck around for the summer. Who else did? I’ve seen video evidence of his working with Oden – I’ve never seen video of Joel practicing with Oden. I question Joel’s commitment to his teammates. ha
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 12, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers are not resigning Frye, KP already basically said this. He doesn't play defense and the guy has no heart.
I’ll be glad to see him gone.
by BRoyInThe4th on May 12, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he may not play great defense - you can probably back that up with facts
but how can you say this about his “heart”? Are you saying he does not try? Please qualify this statement
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 12, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he retires
He should become the blazers color commentator
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on May 12, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m usually not big on giving (ex)players cush jobs on teams. However, in Frye’s case, I’d be tempted to make an exception. He’s candid, smart, funny, articulate and-he seems to love Portland. While I’m sure at age 25 he’s not about to retire, I sure hope he maintains his connection with Portland and that the Blazers are able to bring him back here in some meaningful role. Maybe something like team spokesman or public relations guy. Those might not be the best uses of his talents. How about a color commentator ala Mychal Thompson? Whatever the role, I think he’d be a great asset to the Blazer organization.
by kuhnsmith on May 12, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"cheap and inaccurate blow" ?
I assume upper left corner said that in response to my saying
“He is just not that inspired / competitive.”
i didn’t say it lightly or to be mean.
I probably should have said something like “his stats don’t suggest he sufficiently inspired / competitive.”
The main stat I am referring too is the most inclusive, adjusted +/-, though it is not perfect and is subject to random variance.
Frye had the 2nd worst in the league among the 250-300 or so who played enough to be rated. 2nd worst. Hard for me to call someone with that ranking inspired or that competitive. Even if he caught an unlucky rating the odds are he is almost certainly in the bottom 10% in the league this season.
The injury might be a big apart of that as is a tough inconsistent role. But being that low doesn’t fit with being inspired or that competitive so I said that.
by StatRaven on May 13, 2009 12:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Head Games
I realize there isn’t enough PT to give everyone 20-25 minutes a game, but for anyone who shoots the ball from more than 5 feet away from the basket, some minutes are necessary. I realize Channing didn’t earn himself minutes, but I don’t feel he was given a chance. I feel this idea will be wildly unpopular, but the mental hump young players have to deal with is not helped by jerking them around the depth chart and getting minute counts like 0-0-18-4-0-6, which is completely fictitious but nevertheless indicative of the way it was. The same thing happened/ is happening with Sergio. I believe that their mental growth was stunted by this, as was the confidence in their games.
Also, do you really believe we had a better-suited backup PF for defense or a post game or not getting pushed around? Because many of those minutes went to somebody who didn’t work as hard, didn’t play D, didn’t train as hard, and also took an unhealthy amount of long 2-point jumpers.
Give him about 18 a game, then reassess and make the call.
by silverstreak on May 13, 2009 6:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the man, hate the player
He’s a great guy and a good rep for our team, but his game has an identity crisis. I still remember reading in the local fish wrapper after last season that his focus for the offseason was getting better at 3-pointers. I was like, “WHAT?? Did the coaches actually say that to you or is that your personal goal?” He seems to want to be Dirk when Portland needs a bruising, rebounding POWER forward. I wish Channing all the best and would love to see him come back to the coaching staff or the radio in ten years. Portland, in the immediate future, should be after guys like Paul Milsap.
by misterblack on May 13, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Won't you all be surprised
when KP figures it out that in Channing we have the perfect injury insurance policy and pays him enough to stay. – Elgin
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
by 22baylor on May 14, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see any point in the team hanging onto Frye. Time to cut him loose. It just didn’t work.
I think Frye has an uncertain future in this league. His defense, soft play, and inconsistency make him a major question mark. It’s a pity because you can see some nice tools there … unfortunately we rarely see them together, and with regularity.
by NBR on May 16, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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