Most disappointing/worrisome player performance? (poll)
by PoliSam on May 1, 2009 5:38 PM PDT
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I know we are starting to move on from the Houston series, but before we do, I wanted to settle an argument that I have been having with myself.: the Blazers lost several player match-ups in the Houston series, but I have not been able to figure out which is the most disappointing or worrisome development. I figure the best way to do it was to rely on The Wisdom of Crowds. In addition, I have never done a poll before and thought this would be an approrpiate topic. It's a somewhat negative topic and I generally dislike dwelling on negative outcomes, but I could not resist.
In choosing which is the most disappointing, use whatever criteria you think is appropriate, though I personally had in mind the long term implications of the series (what it revealed about the "true" underlying value of the player in question) AND how surprising it was to me.
Comments are welcome.
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I don't know If Scola outplayed Lma
Scola is a vet in his prime with lots of experience, and he used every trick he knew against Lma. Still Lma had some great games, I believe this will be the last year Scola can even hope to play with LaMarcus.
in game 1 Scola had 19 and 8 compared to Aldridge 7 and 3. Yes that was a very bad game for Lma.
in game 2 Lma had 27 and12 with 3 blocks to 12 and 5 for Scola.
in game 3 Scola 19 and 9 to Lma 13 and 8, but Lma did have 4 blocks.
in the last three games Lma scored 19, 25, and 29, to Scolas 17, 21 and 9. and out rebounded Scola in all 3.
Scola was very good in the series, I agree, but all other things equal (which they were not) I would take Lma over Scola any day of the week, and I don’t thing you can say Lma was outplayed by Scola.
by twggyy on May 1, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Fair enough
Consider, however, that Scola shot a higher percentage, had more assists, and fewer turnovers… But, it’s not so much that Scola was “better”, but I had figured Aldridge would dominate that match-up and didn’t.
Scola could be underated, especially defensively
And I think that when other players had it going Aldridge could dominate. Also, Aldridge had to spend time thinking about Yao and Scola when he was on the floor. Scola mainly hit wide open jump shots, which he did very well. Lma was always very well covered when he worked, which was because of Houston team defense being better than Portlands.
Yeah
you could definetly argue that LMA got way more attention from the entire Rockets team than Scola did from the Blazers.
That sounds right
It will be interesting to see how Scola does against the Lakers. He is from Argentina? They have a good Olympic team, and If I’m not mistaken he played with them. He is a good player, but I wonder if we made him look better than he really is. I don’t know him well enough to tell.
I am really curious to how well he does in the next round, but I am really glad we have Lma, and I wouldn’t trade him for Scola and Chuck Hayes. I wish we got to see Chuck shoot some free throws in the playoffs, would have made everyone feel better with a good chuckle.
If I recall correctly
Scola almost single-handedly beat the US team during some match a couple years back. Maybe the PanAm games? He is a good player who can elevate his game when needed.
It was a double whammy.
LaMarcus was responsible for Luis shooting long midrange jumpers fed from the post. And he was responsible for post help forcing the pass to the shooter he would be held responsible ( in the media) for shutting down. Impossible assignment.
On offense he had to produce over one and a half defenders as Yao needed no help against centers averaging single digit production.
LA is fine.
Travis not so much.
Bedge or go home.
In any case
a player like Scola can’t be dominated except on an occassional off night. Wouldn’t you like Scola as your backup PF? A few teams would love to have him as their number one.
Scola was left open so people could double (sometimes triple) Yao
LMA fought through double teams every game. When Scola was alone on him he was very very effective (LaMarcus was).
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by Sabonis4Ever on May 1, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll agree with that too.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
opportunity cost
the thing with LaMarcus, that his numbers don’t reveal, is that he is not a playmaker, the motion dies when the ball gets to him, and he takes a lot of jump shots after which, because he is 20’ from the basket, we are less likely to get an O board. There is an opportunity cost to having the ball in his hands so much when the offense grinds to a halt.
put another way,
I want to see a statistic that penalizes the 20’ jumper that comes off of a post-up play. Because it is ineffective offense!
the 20 foot jumper does get penalized if you look at True Shooting % (TS%)
because its the most inefficient shot in basketball.
PF TS%
LMA: 52.9%
Bosh: 56.9% (Actually down 2% from last year)
Duncan: 54.9%
Garnett: 56.3%
Zbo: 53.5%
Dirk: 54.4%
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Dirk's is 56.4%
what’s interesting is that almost all of these players are below their TS% career averages by a fair bit.
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ESPN
has him at 17th amongst PFs. Not terrible I guess.
Nowitzki, Scola, Boozer at 6-7-8.
But TS% does not account for the fact
that those jumpers come off of a post-up in which the offense is at a standstill. There is an additional opportunity cost there.
depends on which numbers you look at
which ranking has him 17th?
John Hollinger has him 8th, which I think you and I would both agree is too high.
eh
Jamison is more of a 3/4, and one that plays really, really shoddy defense. He makes LMA look like Garnett
Lee and Zbo are both statistical giants, but horrible defenders. I also worry about Lee’s stats being inflated by D’Antoni ball. Sure, he was efficient, but D’Antoni’s offense is designed for the PF to get easy dunks and layups off of the high pick and roll.
Hornet fans complained about David West all year long. He regressed, as well as being abysmal defensively. His rotation was laughable in the Denver series.
Who does that leave?
Gasol, Bosh, Amare (although his personality and defense are undesirable), Dirk, KG… Would you really rather have Villanueva, Lee, or Jamison?
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Jamison and Lee did nothing to help their teams win.
Jamison rebounded next to an inferior rebounding center, and was only marginally better at rebounding than LMA. I’m sure if LMA wasn’t next to Przybilla, his stats would be a little better.
Boozer has regressed, is a team cancer, and doesn’t play defense.
Millsap is a nice player but really cooled off in the second half of this year. Both times they played us in Portland, he had serious issues playing against our lengthy front line. He’s a player that struggles to play against bigger opponents. He is flat out not a guy that can carry an offense.
Lee? I dunno. I’m just not a fan. He puts up stats. Not sure he contributes to winning, with his putrid defense.
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I disagree that Lee did nothing to help the Knicks win and I don't think his D is a lot worse than LMA's
Also, Jamison has been part of a winner before, and will be again next year if the Wiz are healthy. Boozer wasn’t healthy this year— I still think a fully healthy Boozer brings a bit more to the table than LMA. His D is weak but not a lot weaker than LMA’s. Millsap showed he can produce as a starter but he needs to get starter minutes to be as productive as LMA.
I didn’t say that Lee did nothing to help the Knicks – he obviously did. I’m just unsure that he is a player that a team should build around.
Jamison? I don’t really consider him a power forward. He’s a good 3/4 who can’t guard anyone. Remember the game in Portland against Washington? LaMarcus brutalized him, dunking on him on two simple post ups in a row. Not saying this proves LMA’s superiority, just an anecdote showing Jamison’s poor defense.
Millsap – It’s easy to be efficient as a rebounding garbage man, but leading an offense is a completely different matter. He struggles against teams with long, tall front lines.
Boozer – He is the person pointed at for the Jazz collapse this year. His selfish, me-first persona is blamed by people around the organization for alienating teammates. He’s regressed. He’s injury prone (Missed large chunks of 3 of his last 5 seasons).
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My main point is this
it’s much easier to be efficient on offense when you are playing the role of garbageman and inside banger. Millsap, Lee… these players are not consistent post-up threats.
It hurts efficiency when a player is a focal point of an offense that draws the defense’s respect and has to create his own shot.
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good point.
this is why Boozer is considered a more valuable asset than Millsap
Jamison is indeed a 3/4 and can't guard LMA
I also think its clear he wasn’t trying on D this year (who on the Wiz was). A motivated Jamison is a heck of a player though— a much better offensive weapon than LMA (can hit the 3 which helps a lot). As you and I agree, its not head to head matchups that decides who the better player is.
Lee’s not just a garbage man on offense any more. He’s a stellar pick and roll finisher and has a serviceable mid-range game. LMA’s got way more upside though.
when I'm ranking power forwards
I can’t really put Jamison on the list. Offensively, he’s a small forward more than a power forward. His offensive game is Artestian in some ways. Defensively, he can’t guard the 4. He plays the position because Butler is an oustanding 3.
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I find it hard to compare the two
Jamison’s offensive game is certainly more diverse, but he’s a tweener. I guess I would rank him with the Travis 3/4 crowd, rather than the Duncan/Garnett/Bosh group.
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with Boozer
his consistent injury issues and regression over the last two years are frightening. As of today, LMA is the better player, and was all season. Was it because of Boozer’s injury? Potentially, but Boozer has been injured and LMA has been healthy. That is part of the evaluatoin.
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In arguing this
and looking at the PF rankings, are there any good defenders at the position anymore? Duncan, Garnett… Scola? Smith?
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who would you trade him straight up for?
a PF I mean.
taking age and everything into account:
Bosh, Gasol and Amare
Dirk, KG and Duncan are probably a bit too old for our window, but I still might do it with Dirk since he’s only 30 and we’d immediately contend.
I’d think about Lee and Millsap but probably stick with LMA in the end.
I say yes to Chris Bosh and Pau Gasol, ...
but I’ve still got reservations about Amare Stoudemire regarding defense and, well, his overall personality.
Yes, I know that seems weird coming from me.
you'd think about Lee and Millsap?
That’s crazy.
Lee is a great piece, but doesn’t have near as much upside as LMA. Millsap is actually more finesse than you give him credit for and a worth shot blocker.
You spend too much time thinking about how bad LMA is. Why don’t you rip on Oden, Blake and Batum/Outlaw/Webster. Those guys are actually more of a detriment to the team right now. Oden will be fine, once he figures out how to not foul out in 10 minutes. Blake and the SF position are much weaker than LMA. You seem to want to improve a position (PF) that is better off right now than PG and SF.
Low hanging fruit, Jake, law hanging fruit. Quit trying to reach for the high stuff.
Scola is in this conversation too, no?
And Boozer.
yeah, Scola's in the discussion. He's about as good as Aldridge, but remember that Scola isn't asked to do nearly as much on offense as LMA.
I’d throw Josh Smith into the mix also.
Scola always draws the inferior defender
and he isn’t asked to carry an offense.
Josh Smith shoots his team out of games, refuses to rebound for games at a time, loses his cool, and lacks any semblance of fundamentals.
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LMA was DPOY in college
I still believe, but in a situation like Scola was put into, that he could be a good team defensive player.
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hard to say
I’ve seen some pretty god awful help D from him and some extremely lazy closeouts, not to mention getting schooled 1v1 in the post a fair amount.
LMA blocked shots at a decent rate his rookie year but has pretty much stopped doing so.
that's my point
I think that LMA got used to focusing his energy on the offensive end. He was great defensively at Texas, and could be again. He just needs to be in the correct system and coached correctly.
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Josh Smith has the idiot factor
he takes ill advised threes, sulks, loses his focus, checks out mentally… that is not winning basketball.
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Scola was killing us
because our defensive attention was on Yao.
Boozer has regressed two years in a row. His defense is so putrid that the local media is absolutely disgusted with him.
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Aldridge is 23. Scola is 29. Boozer is 27.
The only player in the discussion that is better than Aldridge is Bosh who is just a year older. Lee is nice, but not better than Aldridge and also three years older.
LMA is still very YOUNG. And power forward is not the position the team will look to upgrade desperately.
Congrats to Houston. Beat LA!
Going forward Blazers have 5 draft picks, and Rockets have none :)
Thank you
And power forward is not the position the team will look to upgrade desperately.
People spend too much time here figuring out how to upgrade that position when we’ve got major holes at PG and SF. Bayless and Batum might be great in 4 years, but right now they’re holes.
Why spend so much time harping on LMA, a 23 year old who continues to improve and will be an all star some day?
people spend time discussing the roster
I happen to think that LMA is not good enough to play 2nd fiddle on a title team. I’m fully aware he’s a really good player and he’s not getting traded, but that doesn’t mean its not fun to discuss hypotheticals.
ah, I see
that’s TS% for the playoffs. Interesting to look at for sure, but too small of a sample size and too matchup dependent to draw too many conclusions. TS% is not a strength for LMA, but he does well in other areas. Further, a number of the guys ahead of him in TS% are not counted on to be #2 scorers.
Ah right
you see how little I look at statistics. I didn’t even notice that. But those numbers justify my vote in the poll: Scola over LMA.
The Rockets were able to focus their defense on LMA
The Blazers gave Scola that open jumper because they shaded toward Brooks and Yao.
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makes sense.
LMA=our second scoring option
Scola=Houston’s 3rd, 4th option?
But credit Houston with finding the option that would sink us. When they shut down our 1 and 2, we were helpless. Figure that out, and you have the key to beating Houston next year.
John Hollinger mentioned in a column...
… that Roy’s assists were way down in this series. He speculated that its because Roy gets his assists out of double teams, and Houston wasn’t forced to double. If you think about it, when Roy drives to the hoop 1v1, he’s almost always looking to score, even when he draws help from Yao. When faced with a team that doesn’t have to double either Roy or LMA, Portland is in trouble. That can be solved by developing Oden, getting another guy who can dribble penetrate/create his own shot, or try to run some more complex sets.
that's rarely seen from any team in the NBA playoffs, if we're being honest
here’s what Kevin Pelton said in a chat today (answered my question):
Jacob (CA): Kevin, what’s your diagnosis for Portland’s awful offensive showing in these playoffs? Too much 1v1 play? Relying on offensive rebounding too much? Just a great job by Houston? Where does Portland go from here?
Kevin Pelton (Basketball): The thing is, the Blazers’ offense should in theory be much easier to translate into the playoffs than teams that rely on transition offense or something like that. That was the premise of a piece I wrote for Sports Northwest Magazine earlier this year. Dependence on outside shooting did make them somewhat vulnerable, but end games in the playoffs are all about 1-on-1 play (as one person remarked during Boston-Chicago Game 5, “We play a team game for six months. Then it’s all about the individuals in the playoffs.”), so … . I think a lot of the credit has to go to the Rockets, who made the Blazers really like discombobulated at times in the series.
yup
the end game scenario in Chicago-Boston has been Salmons, Allen, Pierce, or Gordon on isolation.
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you're quick on the cut and paste!
Not so impressed with this second quote. The teams that have won it all of late have been very team oriented, especially on the defensive end. This does not mean 1v1 is not a factor, it means the team plays like a team on both ends of the floor. Or can, if needed.
so it would be great to see LMA work on passing
this offseason. Perhaps as he trust the new guys more, rudy and oden and such, he will do just that.
On Scola's offense.
There’s a big asterisk on what he did against LMA—not that he didn’t play great, but…
Scola hit a lot of wide open 17-foot jump shots. The defensive scheme was to deny Yao the ball at all costs, and rightfully so. LMA and Pryz or Oden needed to sandwich him, with the centers fronting Yao and LMA either giving help or enabling another player to do so. He was often caught between two offensive players or double-teaming Yao. Nate was putting the onus on the Rockets’ role players to make or break the series and they responded. Compared to Yao, the rest of the Rockets are role players. (And they’re damn good at what they do.)
When he got putbacks, it was because the Blazers had to fight so hard for a miss that they weren’t able to box out. In either case, Yao’s presence kept our personnel occupied to the point that they had to scramble to cover the open man, often unsuccessfully.
First, Scola didn't actually outplay LMA
Scola benefitted from the Blazers’ decision to focus on Yao and Brooks. That’s why Scola had all those wide open looks from 12-15 feet. By contrast, LMA, along with Roy, was the focus of the Rockets’ formidable defensive pressure. Fact is, LMA more than held his own in that matchup.
Second, even if Scola HAD outplayed LMA, I wouldn’t be overly upset. Quiet as it’s kept, Luis Scola is an extremely good basketball player. And LMA is still a youngster, playing in his first-ever playoff series.
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Scola a vet?
He was a rookie last year. Aldridge definitely has the experience advantage, or he should have it.
It’s not a great comparison, though, when you consider the roles they play on each team. Scola doesn’t command as much attention, and that is precisely why his stats were up — he was WIIIIDE open.
Despite the problems with the comparison, LMA was a huge disappointment for me. First of all, it was his slow rotations to Scola that left him wide open, and second he seemed to be taken out of the game far too easily. I give him credit for coming out strong in Game 6, though. He got over the jitters, but it took a long time. I don’t think Scola will ever outplay him again, if they see the Rockets in the postseason again.
Scola is a 2nd year player
the same way Rudy is a rookie. He played professional ball in Argentina for years.
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Scola may have been a bit better than LMA in terms of his statistics
but I got the impression that LMA would have a comfortable advantage over Scola if they played a 1-on-1 game. Scola got a lot of wide open shots because Aldridge was off doing other things on defense. Aldridge also got some open jumpshots, but in general the Rockets seemed a lot more focused on using their team defense on Aldridge while the Blazers were often ignored Scola.
by trk on May 3, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Oden was the most worrisome to me
not because he was all that bad (he had some great moments), just because I feel this team needs so much from him. I was disappointed he wasn’t able to be more of a factor on the offensive boards, and he was such a turnover and foul machine at times that it was painful.
Again, he wasn’t horrible, but I wanted him to step up more and make an impact on both ends. We needed it.
Yeah
I do feel that this Match up was really hard for Oden, he never got a chance to get in a groove. I often found myself wondering why he wasn’t playing when Yao was resting, it seemed like that didn’t happen as much as it should have. I think at this point Odens good defense against Yao was enough, wish we saw more. As everyone is saying though, I am really waiting until next year to decide how I feel about Oden.
Bad match up for Oden,
to have to go against Yao. Oden will be better next year I have no doubts about that. Its just a matter of by how much and that is up to him.
Yeah .. given the foul situation, it was hard for Oden to get in rhythm
When he managed to get enough minutes, he showed flashes of his future, especially in the middle games of the series .. remember his block on Yao?
As for lack of offensive rebounding, the 5’s are automatically boxed out from the offensive glass when they’re forced to start fronting Yao. It’s just something the team has to give up when they make certain adjustments. That’s when others have to step up and go after boards.
Over all, I think I’m less concerned about Greg and more concerned about Travis.
Oden has the most impact long-term if he doesn't pan out, but this series was actually encouraging to me
He still made the same mistakes we have seen most season, but had very good performances containing Yao Ming especially in game 2 and 4. A player who continually outplays some of the best centers on offense. I really like Joel, but I think Oden did a more intelligent and more physical job playing against Yao. He still picked up his usual fouls (we can discuss ad infinitum which ones were justified and which ones not so much) and contributed sparingly on offense, but I really liked to see that.
I agree that he needs to step up for the Blazers to become relevant. I disagree that he was outplayed in this series, definitely not by Chuck Hayes.
Congrats to Houston. Beat LA!
Going forward Blazers have 5 draft picks, and Rockets have none :)
Yeah, saying GO was outplayed by Hayes is just silly
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Shoulda just left the Trout option out
It was going to win by default. The more interesting question would be who (besides Trout) was the most disappointing.
i was kinda hoping for that option on the poll myself
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Really in my mind they were the main reason.
You really cant point to one player and say that. Even Travis had his moments. We were one of the most stacked teams in the regular season. We would just wear teams out by the end because our bench could put up so many points. They were completely non existent this whole series. No one could have guessed the Rockets bench would be so much better than ours.
to be fair
our deep bench consists of players 6-9/10…when you shorten your rotations down to 7.5 players you take away that depth. its not like we had the best 6th and 7th men.
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by Philthyanimal on May 1, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
which translates to
having a deep bench means very little if you are going to trim your rotation anyways.
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by Philthyanimal on May 1, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I cant argue with that.
The rotation was shortened quite a bit. Still hoped for more out of those coming off the bench. Only Rudy performed out of that group. We never really got a flow with those second unit guys. Maybe the shortened rotation was a factor? I always thought that during the regular season we were able to change the look of our offense so much with the second team that it threw teams off. Probably doesn’t work in the playoffs though when its the same team every time.
Some experts pointed that out going into the series
But the deep bench still is a huge Blazer asset. Depth means a lot during the regular season, when you have so many games to play—including back-to-backs. Plus, it’s injury insurance—even during the playoffs.
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That's why I don't get the LMA bashing above
If we had a dependable 3rd scoring option LMA would be at the rim a lot more instead of popping out. Scola’s an excellent player but not better. No way Hayes outplayed Greg. We just got beat by a better shooting, deeper team, for now. I think KP flirted with V. Carter and R. Jefferson because it’s obvious we don’t have a reliable 3rd scorer without Webster, someone that can give you 15 and 5 every night. But that’s just me.
Von wafer vs Rudy
thats sad. I think Rudy had way more impact in everything but scoring. But thats all they needed from Von, and he delivered when needed.
I think Rudy will do better next year, getting used to the 82 year season has got to be hard. If his shot was on he would have done better than von by a mile. I also thought it was not a good Idea to start Rudy for the first time in game 6. Batum doesn’t play and Artest has his best game of series, perhaps he helped Artest from getting into the game before that.
Rudy is also all about the flow of the game, and team play, and Houston broke up everything and there was no flow. We had no games with a lot of assist, which is when Rudy is good. Houston had great perimeter defense, and Rudy had even less time than usual to get his shot off. It is a bummer that Von made such an impact.
Were Rudy and Von matched up against each other a lot? That could be, I just can’t remember.
Great teams tighten their rotations in the playoffs.
Depth is great for the long 82 played by good teams only for seeding.
Then the best eight win.
We are fine. I love Jerryd getting PG pt in LV. I can’t wait to see Joel Freebird. Another re dass? I can only hope.
we are so ready to ice this cake. My predictions:
Jerryd makes his move over the next five months and starts the season as back up to Steve. He begins October playing ten to twelve minutes every night. Then gradually plays more until he starts after the mid season break.
LMA comes back with visibly increased strength and confidence. He joins Brandon in the all star game.
Martell and Nic absorb most of the minutes beloved Ime, I mean Travis, played before he was moved.
Rudy squeezes 30 out of the 2/3 mix and is sixth man of the year. He plays improved defense too.
Greg comes back lithe and happy and rested and familiar with the playbook.
Oh baby.
Bedge or go home.
I freakin Love it!
I am not quite as sure about jerryd at the point, but I hope so, I would really like to see that.
Agree totally with Lma coming back better, he seems to be smart about working on his game, adding things.
Martell and Nic, excited to see that rotation at the 3, see how it works, I have high hopes.
Rudy is only going to get better.
How greg comes back next year means so much, I think he will show everyone why he was the #1 pick next year. I cannot wait! I wish I could pass out until then, wake up and it all starts again!
Tom needs a giant Beau Breedlove style manhug right about now
He’s taking this loss very hard. It’s easy to get disappointed in the fans, but you have to overlook that and celebrate the great season the players had. Even the fans at the RG had a terrific season.
Right I agree
Especially the fans that compare other Fans to David Duke.
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Is that Daisy Duke's brother?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I'm sorry.
I was at the all the home games. I wore a Pryzbilla shirt. Should have worn an outlaw shirt, he needed the encouragement.
Perhaps it was all the yelling and cheering, I was actually thinking that all that screaming was putting too much pressure on the guys. We should have been less loud to calm them down. Instead of De-Fense, De-Fence, we should have yelled Re-lax, Re-lax.
Do you have an suggestions on training I can do in the off season to be a better fan?
(ps no sarcasm here. Trying to be funny, Not really working, didn’t want you to think i am being snarky.)
this was one of the best threads i've ever read on hear,
loved the discussion.
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