The "Back Up PF/Starting PG" Post
by SolGoode on May 1, 2009 3:01 PM PDT
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PrintIn the spirit of the "Get Rid of Travis" thread which desperately needed to be created for the sake of slimming down over-commenting, the inevitable "what we need" comments are going to be flooding in. Put them here.
The Blazers off-season needs have been narrowed down to a back up power forward and a new starting point guard. Fans and commentators have been discussing it all day. I don't think it's to anyone's surprise after the off season fizzled out like a cigarette thrown into a puddle. Yes, valiant efforts, huzzah, etc. but the next few weeks will be nothing but talk about what the Blazers need for the can't-come-fast-enough 09/10 season.
No salary cap talk. No this guy for that guy talk. We're not GM's. I just want to know what back up power forward and what starting point guard you'd like to see for next season and why.
Personally, I've found it easy, there are five guys I want. I don't care if they're realistic or not, I just think they're what we could use.
I'm swinging for the rafters at the point - Tony Parker, Steve Nash or Chris Paul
At the power forward I'm a bit more realistic - Chris Andersen (And please know it pains me to say that) or David Lee.
Your turn.
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Only if you post something good in the first spot...
You are like the lead off hitter who is striking out!
by Portland Dynasty on May 1, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Say something like this...
I was interested in this post UNTIL I read “No salary cap talk. No this guy for that guy talk. We’re not GM’s. I just want to know what back up power forward and what starting point guard you’d like to see for next season and why.”
Geez… I didn’t know we were playing a Fantasy RPG here. There is nothing I hate more that when someone says “Our team would be sick if we added Chris Paul and Chris Bosh to the roster…” How make-believe is that? We are not on Mr. Rogers here.
No, we aren’t GM’s… but most people on this site understand how the CBA works with salary caps and trade rules and who is ACTUALLY available in Free Agency and who isn’t. Furthermore, in light of the economic issues that surrounding the world it is going to be even more crucial that the right type of deals are made and at the right times. Some teams are going to be trading high dollar talent for expiring contracts because they are hemorraging money, other teams are going to be able to take advantage of those who aren’t/haven’t been fiscally wise with their player contracts.. Like Portland should be able to do.
We have cap room now and a few tradeable assets that can be moved. But just day-dreaming about adding Deron Williams and both Lopez brothers is ridiculous. Make sure your targeted players are realistic.
by Portland Dynasty on May 1, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
draft dejuan blair. that is all.
It's time for one last offseason, one last time to prune the roster. It was a great ride to 54 wins, and our playoff loss exposed the deficiencies we must address. In KP I trust.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on May 1, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Love Dejuan Blair at PF.
Still need to do something at the point though.
That “something” is trade for the Captain. Include Blake or Sergio, either way, package him with a SF other than Nic, and watch the defense improve immediately.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
oh, completely agreed
I’ve been chanting Kirk’s name for months now.
It's time for one last offseason, one last time to prune the roster. It was a great ride to 54 wins, and our playoff loss exposed the deficiencies we must address. In KP I trust.
draft dejuan blair
On 6/25/2009, Travis Outlaw and Steve Blake should be traded for Kirk Hinrich in a draft day deal.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ck43me
The Bulls could then cut Outlaw and Blake — who’ve got non-guaranteed contracts for next season if they’re waived by 6/30/2009 — and consequently free up some cash to re-sign Ben Gordon and stay under the luxury tax. I’m cool with adding the draft rights of Petteri Koponen into the deal as a throw-in, too, so as to sweeten the pot for Chi-Town.
Please
No birdman. We are trying to move completely away from that image plus even as a Blazer I would find him totally obnoxious. David Lee needs far more minutes than we can give him (he could only have around 13 a game) and he would not be content with a backup role. We need to look at
1. Brandon Bass
2. Chris Wilcox
3. Drew Gooden
4. DeJuan Blair
None of those points will happen realistically without giving away too much. We should be concentrating on
1. Kirk Hinrich
2. Andre Miller
3. Ramon Sessions
4. Develop Bayless
I would say Rubio but honestly I don’t see us being able to trade that high in the draft without giving something too big up.
Please do not feed the B-Rex
Sessions is a Restricted Free Agent
Sixty-percent of the time, it works one-hundred percent of the time.
All of them besides Bayless
Are free agents except Blair and he is a draft pick
Please do not feed the B-Rex
by BRoyTheNatural on May 1, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Kirk isn't a free agent.
And I would take Sessions before Miller. I think a Miller needs an uptempo offense to thrive.
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
oh
totally forgot Kirk and yeah I would take Sessions before Miller too it just seems more likely to get miller because Milwaukee is so high on Sessions at the moment. They can’t keep Redd, Villanueva, and Sessions though with their money issues probably.
Please do not feed the B-Rex
by BRoyTheNatural on May 1, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
What image is that?
Drew Gooden actually strikes me as way more of a prima donna douchbag than the Birdman ever did. I saw an inteview with him where he brags about having CHinchila fur in his Lambo.
The Birdman is awesome if you can get past his tattoos. He kicked a drug habit and worked his way back into the league after a two year suspension. Has that ever even happened before? I can’t help but like a guy who’s sole mission in life is to block as many shots as possible.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 1, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not so much in love with Nash anymore....
He looked pretty awful this year.
I think Parker would be great, and I am a big Billups fan. But we are not taking account cap space or contracts or anything, right? Just a wish list?
I see alot of Hinrich love here on bedge, I honestly haven’t seen much of him, but looks pretty good to me.
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
i still love nash
and despite what nate says, i dont think nate would love him as much as i would. i guess what i wanna say is, i love nash, but not on our team.
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
by Philthyanimal on May 1, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
What? He had a ligament injury in his thumb this season that cost him 30 games. That's the only big one as far as I can tell.
Before that it was 76, 77, 81, 80, 75 games. You might as well call Blake injury prone (75, 44, 68, 82, 81, 69). Or Roy.
Congrats to Houston. Beat LA!
Going forward Blazers have 5 draft picks, and Rockets have none :)
Crawford > Hinrich
There goes Brandon Roy, the best there ever was in this game.
by two buck chuck on May 2, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Not so much.
Crawford>Outlaw
Maybe.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 2, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Good D, Kirk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crs-QT1DERo
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 2, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry Ray, you just got Crawfored
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whKAx7hZ1Fw
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 2, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
And don't tell me he's not a good passer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3wkXcMgpgM
"There goes Brandon Roy... the best there ever was in this game"
by two buck chuck on May 2, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Birdman
Is more of a 5. He would be a good replacement if (god forbid)) Joel ever leaves
Brandon Bass/Leon Powe/Chuck Hayes would be perfect as the next backup 4. Needs to happen and its not that unrealistic.
As for PG, can we wait a few years until D Williams, Rondo or Parker become available? Until then Hinrich would be nice
Problems
Powe, D Williams, Rondo & Parker would want to much money. Potentially not allowing us to resign Roy, Aldridge & Oden when that time comes.
by TheGreatDane17 on May 1, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Bird Rights
From all I can tell from statements from KP, Paul Allen is more than willing to go over the cap to keep the right players here. (ie the Players that bring home championships.)
Gimmicks don't make dynasties
Chuck Hayes is too useless on offense for my tastes; plus, he's a modern-day Larry Smith for the ...
Houston Rockets — who was the team’s backup at center for Hakeem Olajuwon from 1989 through 1992 — so GM Daryl Morey is unlikely to part with him.
I'm glad that I'm not hearing any more SF upgrade talk. I think with the Batum / Marty tandem we are set to get production from that position for a long time.
I have a STRONG, STRONG feeling that Captain Kirk will be a Blazer next year. The bulls will most certainly resign Gordon now after his superb performance against the Celtics, Rose is going to demand a lot of minutes, and I think they just will not want their 3rd guard in the rotation to make that much. We could send a nice package of picks, cap relief, and young talent that I think would benefit both teams. My bet for the off-season is we trade for Hinrich, and sign a serviceable back up 4 in FA. I think Bass would be a very nice fit with us.
SF talk will begin again if we get thin there...
IN other words…. if Martell, Batum or Trout are moved Portland will become thin at the 3 and talks will resume. Until then…. PDX is set.
by Portland Dynasty on May 1, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see us as thin at SF with just Martell and Nic.
I think there are going to be significantly less than 48 minutes available to the two SFs.
I see Brandon and Rudy each at or over 30 mpg and not that much of it at PG.
Bedge or go home.
If Kirk is a Blazer next year we have to be a front runner for the Finals...
No?
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on May 1, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate it.
Hinrich is doing so well against the Celtics. His trade value is getting steeper every day.
Roy is the best player in the world with the exception of Incarcerated Mike from Queensbridge .
by Nick Van Excellent on May 2, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant more like "Move over Cavs/Lakers, the Blazers are the team everyone is going to be targetting".
You wouldn’t go that far though?
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on May 2, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Kirk Hinrich, but Portland winning a NBA title in the next few years hinges on the ...
continued development of Greg Oden. Yet, if Hinrich had been acquired by the Trail Blazers at the trade deadline this season, then I think that the team would’ve been 2008-2009 Northwest Division champions, got the #2 seed in the playoffs, and earned a Western Conference Finals matchup with the Los Angeles Lakers. Alas, that didn’t come to fruition.
Boozer!
Let’s get a Utah guy over here. He does so many things right in a team context: Passing, Rebounding, Pick and Roll. I think he brings the steeliness we need. Trade LMA straight up for him.
I like our PGs.
Whoa
Safe to say nobody is trading LMA for Boozer. Booz is borderline washed up. If he can’t carry Utah to a better finish than he did, with the kind of talent they have, something is wrong.
Bosh > Amare > LMA > Booz
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
What Boozer brings is knowledge.
Boozer ~ PF what Billups ~ PG.
Anyone who’s been in the Utah system would be valuable, but talk about an inside compliment to Roy’s game! The man has great timing. Which is where LMA is specifically lacking. We need someone, like Chauncey, who makes the whole team play better. I believe LaMarcus hurts us in this regard. Damn jump shots.
Bring the Booz! ;)
I think, right now, a fully healthy Boozer is the better player
However, trading a 23 year old player with some growth left (albeit probably not much) for an 27 year old coming off the worst season of his career (and on a downward trajectory the last 2 year), would be a mistake.
this is why we might be able to get him...
buy low sell high.
Add the high regard for Millsap, and the poor showing by Utah…
But he’s a free agent this year, right? So maybe he wants to go that route.
I know it’s unrealistic probably, because Boozer doesn’t want to play here, and we seem pretty committed to LaMarcus. That said, I think he is the type of player we should be looking for. A veteran. But one who is still pretty young. Smart. A mensch on the court. Great fundamentals. Good team player. If we find someone who fits that profile, we should take ’em, whether they play the 1,3 or 4.
I think you missed my point
While I agree that Boozer is better right now, I think Aldridge has more to offer over the next 5 years of their respective careers.
I immediately thought of Boozer when I saw this fanpost
I think he will be good fit here, but no way we are trading LMA for him, and he probably want more than just being a back up
"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
I don't think Boozer wants to come here,
but if he did, trade LMA for him. Because he is one of a handful of players in the league (Chauncey Billups being another) that brings a high level at the position, great fundamentals AND an understanding of the game that can make every one else play better. As I said above, this is the type of player we should be looking for, and he’s not going to come cheap. But he has to want to come here. We are, after all, a small market.
Boozer does not play a lick of defense whatsoever.
LMA’s ceiling is higher than what Boozer is putting up right now. And Carlos Boozer has not exactly proven himself to be loyal to a franchise, not exactly a quality I’m looking for in a player.
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
i haven't noticed that about Boozer...
Maybe because when they play us, LaMarcus has not been that effective offensively against them. I missed that one good showing at home, but I think Boozer was out.
He could not be much of a worse defensive rebounder than LaMarcus was for much of this season.
But more broadly, I think if we trade for a starting scoring type player, we should trade “ceiling” for experience. Call it the Billups effect. We have enough ceiling on this team. What we need is a mensch! Battle hardened. I don’t know Boozer’s character. He has the skills and feel for the game at his position like Chauncey Billups. Does he have the humility and appetite for winning to bring the guys up around him? Dunno. But if he does, I’d trade LMA for him in a second.
Awesome summary of Boozer. Hilarious too.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7601/boozerq.jpg
2 hot 2 stop it
by dan_the_man on May 1, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow that is fanTASTIC.
Thanks for the laugh, rec.
by TheGreatDane17 on May 1, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
we should shoot for the stars with a PG
given the state of the New Orleans Hornets, Chris Paul is not as far fetched as one might think. I know you don’t want any trade suggestions, but lets just say the offer would need to involve a former #1 overall pick, a former #6 overall pick, last years 1st round pick, and a couple future kicks, in addition to the Blazers absorbing a Serbian or a gimpy 7 footer, who have 2, and 3 years left on their deals, respectively.
I know Kirk Hinrich is the name being floated around, but the chances of getting him are extremely realistic for a reason. Remember that it was not a foregone conclusion that Derrick Rose was the #1 overall pick in the draft last June. It was either Beasley or Rose.
Don’t you think that if the Bulls had any faith in Hinrich whatsoever they would’ve taken Beasley?
Its a shame Cole Aldrich is not entering the draft. The Blazers easily could’ve traded up to get him. He would have been a fabulous backup 4 man next year.
by John Park Williams on May 1, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions
They drafted the best player
Hinrich still plays a big role for them. In fact, he led them in plus/minus this year by a wide margin. The Bulls were 12 points per 100 possessions better with the captain on the court.
And I’m not sure Paxson’s lack of faith in Kirk is really a bad thing, either. He’s not exactly been clairvouyant in player evaluation.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Agree wholeheartedly.
I would love for Kirk to end up in a Blazers uniform. I am just not sure that the Bulls will be willing to part with him after this surprising end of the season for them. They came on strong at the end and are pushing the champs to the edge and I think Hinrich was a big deal in that. The guy is a baller and nasty on defense.
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
Cole Aldrich is a true pivotman and not a power forward in any way, shape, or form. Regardless of ...
that, however, he’s someone who I’d potentially like to see the Portland Trail Blazers target in the 2010 NBA Draft. With Joel Przybilla’s contract running out after the 2010-2011 season, Aldrich would give the Trail Blazers some strong depth at center heading into the future.
My Turn
Sign Free Agents – Andre Miller and Brandon Bass, Andre becomes your 3rd scoring option, Bass becomes your back up banger
Trade – Outlaw, Sergio, and (fill in blank) for Prince
Starting Line up/ Back up
Roy/ Rudy
Aldridge/ Bass
Miller/ Bayless
Oden/ Pryz
Prince/ Battum
I dont thinks we'll have enough cap room to sign both those guys.
by dario argento on May 1, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Bass
I think DAL resigns him. J-Kidd’s deal expires, and Cuban wants him back. But he won’t be making $20M. That makes luxury tax room to give Bass a better deal. I like Bass, but I think he’s a pipe-dream.
Sixty-percent of the time, it works one-hundred percent of the time.
I think both Andre Miller and a backup 4 could be signed....
under our current cap space. Plus, how much money will Andre Miller really be expecting to make on this next contract? Economy is down and he is starting to enter his career twilight.
by Portland Dynasty on May 1, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
So, what about
Blake and Martell? Are you trading them?
Sixty-percent of the time, it works one-hundred percent of the time.
Don't be shocked by this
In order to free up Cap space to sign Miller and Bass let Blake and Frye Walk and add Martell with Sergio and Trout to get Prince…. I don’t think Martell is the Blazers 3rd scorring option let alone a starter I think we have placed a lot of value on him that has not been earned.
Martell is WAY too undervalued by you, bro...
get with the program… we just signed Martell to an amazing contract for the value we get for him… who/where are you gonna replace that kind of production at that cost… NO where.
by Portland Dynasty on May 1, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Martells 07-08 Stat Line
28.4 Min
.422 FG%
.388 3pt%
3.9 Rebounds
10.7 Points
1.2 Assists
Trust me Im with the program, I don’t think Martell is the Blazers 3rd scorring option let alone a starter I think we have placed a lot of value on him that has not been earned.
The Detroit Pistons won't move Tayshaun Prince unless Joe Dumars can swing a deal for ...
Chris Bosh — who could potentially demand a trade this off-season — from the Toronto Raptors claws. Y’know, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Pistons somehow pieced together a frontline of Bosh and Carlos Boozer next season — with a trade for Bosh and a free-agent signing of Boozer — with that duo combining to form a deadly high/low tandem on offense. Defensively, however, Bosh and Boozer would get abused most nights.
NO PRINCE
Go compare Batum to Tayshaun’s rookie season.
by TheGreatDane17 on May 1, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
BRoy also sees the need for a new backup "banger" power forward. Discuss here (not names):
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/5/1/862057/count-broy-among-the-people-who
Congrats to Houston. Beat LA!
Going forward Blazers have 5 draft picks, and Rockets have none :)
that is easily our biggest weakness and a glaring need.
but…in the end i would hope our cap space could yield an impact player, rather than a backup.
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
by Philthyanimal on May 1, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I see what you did there...
directing traffic oh so cleverly.
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A B A START.
by HurraKane212 on May 1, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear Andre Miller skipped end of season meetings with management (along with our old friend Theo Ratliff)
Doesn’t sound like he is too fond of staying in Philly :)
Congrats to Houston. Beat LA!
Going forward Blazers have 5 draft picks, and Rockets have none :)
The Birdman is a thug.
He is a known drug abuser. Sure he’s done his time and whatever but from what I’ve seen of his behavior, I want no part of him on the Blazer team. Someone who has his skills, NOT his personality.
WAS
a drug user. So what? So were our last 2 and probably 3 presidents! Drugs are fun, people do them, it does not equal a mark of Cain that should follow a man all his days.
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A B A START.
by HurraKane212 on May 1, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not so big on Andre Miller but I also haven't put alot of thought into it.
Can some of the people who like the idea of signing Miller explain to me why you would like him?
I just don’t like that he is 33 and that he needs a faster offense to be successful.
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
Freeland
I think that we won’t be making a move for a PF. Channing will be traded and or allowed to walk and Freeland will be coming over after that. This is the begining of our solution.
Down with the Ruskies
Joel Freeland is ready to come over next season.
It’s Petteri Koponen who’s not yet ready for the NBA.
Neither of them
but with Freeland I can be much more sure when I say it.
I live in Spain and I get to watch many ACB games, and so I can assure you that he’d play less minutes than Ruffin.
Players need to be dominant before coming to the NBA. The age doesn’t matter.
Jerome Moiso (remember him?) has better stats than him.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
I'll give you Fran Vasquez and Tiago Splitter, but not Jerome Moiso.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Freeland-1055/
Felipe Reyes deserves props, too; yet, his age, 29, is a knock on him.
Reyes is a free agent for the NBA
He’d be more expensive than Freeland, but also a big improvement.
Freeland shold be brought a la Scola, in his late 20’s if he’s shown he can make it.
Bringing him over here would just stop his development as he’d never play
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Pseudo-realistic wish:
Starting PG: Derron Williams
Backup PF: David Lee
Especially if we keep Blake as our backup, we would maybe have the best PG tandem in the league.
this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to give Greg Oden at Least a Couple of Seasons"
I am intrigued by another poster tossing out McDyess as our fourth big,
Then Freeland sits pulling dnp-cds as the fifth big. Sort of next year’s JB.
What do you more sophisticado nba followers think of Antonio?
Bedge or go home.
Think they can afford him?
What with all the money they have tied up? Especially now that Rondo is playing at a superstar level.
by TheGreatDane17 on May 1, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
McDyess will only get a one-year, $1,990,000 contract worth the bi-annual exception.
At ths point in McDyess’ career, he’s a role player who wants to latch onto a championshp contender for one last playoff run. It’s basically the same thing that Grant Hill did when he signed with the Phoenix Suns back in 2007.
My move is for Parker at PG
We get Eduardo Najera with the 3.13 million exception and New Jersey’s #1.
Parker will be tough to get, but probably is available for the right combination. I think that S.A. will try to go younger, but will try to stay highly competitive until Duncan is done. Ginobili would be tough to get equal value in a trade because he’s been injured, but he is entering the last year of his deal (if I remember correctly). I just think that Parker is the one guy that has value and can attract several young players in a deal.
This creates a problem when trading Parker though. S.A. is sure to want Blake to run the show along with other young players. I think that S.A. still wants to be tough next year. The only way to not include Blake is to get another team involved with an acceptable vet PG. That gets tough, but that’s what KP does.
Najera is not the answer at PF. But when healthy he’s a pain in the neck. I would love to have him just because he plays so hard - all the time. If Portland can get NJ’s pick that could be used to get Blair or someone else, but I think that it would also be attractive to S.A. in a trade for Parker.
The New Jersey Nets surely wouldn't do that trade.
Plus, the San Antonio Spurs really wouldn’t do that trade.
I didn't even give you a trade with S.A.
Oh the Najera trade. Najera will be making 3 mill next year and 3 the year after that. He is not in their long term plans and have been getting rid of contracts left and right. You are right though that I don’t see them giving up the first and Najera for nothing, I just think that Najera moved here for the 3.13 exception makes a lot of sense.
Everyone can disagree, but I’d like to hear what you think KP does with that exception. He was reported to be ecstatic when he made the Ruffin move to get the 3.13 exception.
Here is the fanpost I did after the move. http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/2/28/775416/the-3-13-exception
Technically, the trade exception recieved in the Ike Diogu deal is worth $2,912,823 and must ...
be used by 2/18/2009 or else it’ll expire at that point.
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09teamsalaries.htm
Nevertheless, that $2,912,823 trade exception + $100,000 is enough to absorb Eduardo Najera’s $3,000,000 salary next season; however, Najera’s salary will still count as his 2008-2009 amount of $3,250,000 during the 2009 NBA Draft on 6/25/2008 — since the NBA’s new fiscal year doesn’t begin until 7/1/2009 — so that’s not in the cards.
Anyhow, with regards to the New Jersey Nets, GM Kiki Vandeweghe could use the 11th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft to select somebody like so-so combo forward Earl Clark or project small forward Demar DeRozan.
Although Clark and DeRozan are risky prospects in what I consider to be a weak class of players, it’s not like the Nets are overflowing with talent at the small forward position with Bobby Simmons and Trenton Hassell on its roster.
I'm glad you're looking out for me.
Seems to me that KP doesn’t think so narrowly. The Bayless, Diogu trade happened. How? The salaries clearly didn’t match.
Huh?
On 7/9/2009, here’s how that trade you mentioned went down from a technical standpoint.
FROM INDIANA & TO PORTLAND
PF Ike Diogu ($2,912,822)
SG Jerryd Bayless (Draft Rights)
Outgoing Salaries: $2,912,822
FROM PORTLAND & TO INDIANA
PG Jarrett Jack ($2,002,623)
PF Josh McRoberts ($711,517)
SG Brandon Rush (Draft Rights)
Cash Considerations
Outgoing Salaries: $2,714,140
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3480418
On the topic of traded player exception acquired via the trade wherein the Portland Trail Blazers dealt Ike Diogu and cash considerations to the Sacramento Kings for Michael Ruffin — who’d just been acquired in a non-simultaneous trade with the Chicago Bulls that involved Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons, Ruffin, Brad Miller, and John Salmons — it’s technically worth $2,912,823.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2009/02/report_michael_ruffin_traded_t.html
I’m no Tom Penn, but I’ve got a solid grasp of the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement.
Regardless, I can guarantee that I'm more educated about the NBA collective ...
bargaining agreement than you. For whatever it’s worth, I suggest you check out the following link and read through the following information.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
It’ll brush up your knowledge on this subject matter.
Okay, I meant to type 7/9/2008 as the date that the Jerryd Bayless trade occurred.
Additionally, there’s conflicting reports regarding Ike Diogu’s salary this season — for Storyteller has it listed at $2,912,823 and Sham has it listed at $2,912,822 — however, it’s a moot point due to that being such a minimal difference.
Look at my second post here (the one on May 2.)
I don’t mind when people disagree with me, but I specifically asked you a question and you did not reply. Just — you’re wrong, you’re wrong, you’re wrong. Oh, did I mention you’re wrong — seems to come out of you. I’ll ask the question again because you do seem knowledgable.
I would like to hear what you think KP will do with the exception, because he seemed pretty happy to get it. The parameters are very narrow in how a team can us it. I’d like to hear an idea from you not just, “can’t do it.”
Let me quote Ben here directly
“The team is really, really, really satisfied with itself for creating that trade exception. Like “beaming” satisfied. "
I have no player to suggest, but it could be valuable in this economy to acquire someone a team wants to cut
This way we could maybe get a veteran we can use, and get a (low) draft pick for our troubles like you suggested. Or it’s part of a larger trade absorbing one of the players we get back. I don’t think they had one specific player planned in for the exception when creating it, but if they had all the better.
"The playoffs now are my grind. My grind for a championship,'' Roy said. "Whatever needs to be done to get there I'm gonna do it.''
Thank you for your kind reply
I like the idea of using it in a larger trade. (One with say, 3 separate parts)
Okay, here's my hypothetical example.
FROM GOLDEN STATE & TO PORTLAND
PF Brandan Wright ($2,497,320)
Outgoing Salaries: $2,497,320
FROM PORTLAND & TO GOLDEN STATE
24th Pick (e.g., Austin Daye)
PG Petteri Koponen (Draft Rights)
Cash Considerations ($3,000,000)
Outgoing Salaries: $0
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5063813
If DeJuan Blair is drafted by another team that wants to keep him, then there’s a way the Trail Blazers can get a backup power forward with its trade exception.
As an aside, I apologize for being somewhat of a jerk earlier in this discussion.
Sorry, I was pretty snarky myself.
I’m still having trouble getting over the dang loss to Houston.
I would love Wright.
Sorry I misunderstood this part of your reply.
If memory serves (and sometimes mine doesn’t) the Diogu/Blayless trade had to wait until the new fiscal year turned over. The contracts did not match on draft day, but they did on the day you listed.
Hey, if Bosh is leaving and after the bad season...
We may get a good deal for Calderon 50-44-98, over 10 points and over 8 assists, but the same ugly defense
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
I wouldn't be shocked if the Toronto Raptors moved Jose Calderon, but only in a deal in which the ...
Canadian team gets Steve Nash from the Phoenix Suns. Similar to what the Detroit Pistons did by trading for Allen Iverson this season, Nash’s wildly anticipated return to the Great White North would definitely be a tremendous financial boon for the NBA’s one non-American franchise.
A simple trade of Nash for Calderon and a scrub added as salary filler (i.e., Marcus Banks) would do the trick this summer. It’d be a fair, justified deal for both teams, too, which is a rarity in the NBA these days.
I really want us to take action on Petteri Koponen
The guy is showing that he is high quality material. I would rather develop Bayless than him, but even drafting him finally and then trading him away, I am sure there is a team willing to develop him. The finn oozes potential.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
I like Petteri, but at the moment he oozes "I'm stuck behind Earl Boykins and have crappy stats"
Congrats to Houston. Beat LA!
Going forward Blazers have 5 draft picks, and Rockets have none :)
I know I sound like a broken record, but Baron Davis
I am sorry, but he is really is available for not very much. 4 years left at an average of 13.5 million per. I know that is a lot. But…….
considering THIS SUMMMER (and this summer only) we can probably get BD and Al Thornton in exchange for Trout, Blake, Martell Webster, and 1st round pick, that to mean sounds like the best option.
I realize 99% of the people hate BD for reasons I dont understand. Oh yeah. thats right, you guys hate players that beat you, and love players that you to the 1st round of the playoffs and get eliminated.
Kirk Hinrich? Andre Miller? There is a reason why the Bullls took Rose over Beasley and Mayo, they knew Hinrich would never take them anywhere. Andre Miller has never gotten past the 1st round. The Blazers might as well sign Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
A motivated Baron Davis will do wonders for this team. Add Al Thornton, oh my.
by John Park Williams on May 2, 2009 1:22 AM PDT reply actions
no, we hate the idea because he sucks
he sucks by any and every metric used to evaluate a player’s performance. He sucks, he’s a quitter, he’s injury prone, he’s a flopper, he has no heart, he is selfish, he’s a chucker, he’s a prima donna, and he makes bad movies.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Don't sugar-coat it...we can take the truth!
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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by RenoBlazerFan on May 2, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Also,
Al Thornton is also a terrible player, he’s like Travis Outlaw,, minus the BBIQ and Defense.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
The Los Angeles Clippers would be lucky to dump Baron Davis on a craptacular team such as the ...
Minnesota Timberwolves for nothing more than the expiring contracts of two frontline scrubs, Mark “Mad Dog” Madsen and Brain “The Janitor” Cardinal, while just being ecstatic that the team managed to dump “B-Diddy’s” huge contract. I’d even give Minnesota back its future first-round pick that it owes the Clippers — which is top-ten protected in 2010 and 2011, as well as unprotected in 2012 — to seal the deal.
Look
When AK and I both agree on how terrible a player is, and both use hyperbole, you know that player is really terrible.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Why do you all still think
that we have to give up so much in a trade? We are under the salary cap which means that if we wanted Baron Davis then as long as the Clippers didn’t then we could trade Ruffin straight up for Davis. And you can forget Thornton, he can’t play any defense and he ’s overrated as well.
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