The Lake Wave is Crashing the Party
A few years ago, I went to see the fall release of the new Warren Miller movie at the Schnitz. I don’t remember which one it was (Higher Ground?) – there’s been a million of them, each consisting of daredevil skiing feats that all sort of run together in my memory. What really stands out to me years later, aside from my dad falling asleep halfway through, was that it was sort of a farewell tour for the man himself, Warren Miller.
For much of Miller’s 50 year career, the presentation of his films centered around an annual tour of the nation’s ski towns where he would personally narrate the footage while it played. This practice had largely abated by the time I was old enough to go to them – Miller still narrated the films, but just on recordings since he didn’t travel with the show any more. A few years ago, the franchise was eventually sold to Time Warner, and I’ve gathered that he doesn’t even do the narrations for the newest films. Much to our surprise, however, it turned out that he was making a small comeback tour for this film. In only a few cities, Denver and Seattle being the others, he was making his last appearances on stage. Even though he did no more than sit on a stool and talk to the crowd during intermissions, from the captivation of the rabid skiing crowd in attendance, you would have thought that Jerry Garcia had risen from the dead for one last show.
What does this have to do with the Blazers? At one point, Miller reminisced about driving around Oregon when I-5 was a two lane highway. He then jokingly suggested that we turn it into a two lane highway once more – by closing the northbound lanes. This was met with the largest applause of the night.
Mark Heisler’s March 15th column in the LA Times made light of the animosity of Blazers fans for the men in purple and gold. While the article was poorly written and insulting, its central premise was correct: Blazer fans hate the Lakers more than the other way around. However, focusing on the two organizations, their players, and their coaches glosses over some of the more deeply seeded reasons for the hostility – biases that an Angeleno probably wouldn’t be aware of.
The qualities that many Oregonians love about the state (beside the Blazers) often include natural beauty, community and affordability. These are also qualities that are more and more perceived by residents to be threatened by the specter of accelerating population growth. Allow me to cite some mundane statistics:*
- Since 1990, the state’s population has grown from 2.8M to 3.8M people, a 33% increase. (Rapid growth is expected to continue in the future, with the population hitting 4.3M by 2025. Last Sunday’s Oregonian reported that Portland’s population, alone, will double in the next 50 years – rural parts of the state are growing at a faster pace)
- Approximately 60-75% of the influx in a given year is the result of people moving in from out of state, versus “native” population growth.
- Leading the charge, approximately one-third of the domestic migrants are from California.
The fears associated with population growth are real, though the degrees to which they come true vary greatly. Traffic congestion is continually forcing the renegotiation of Portland’s transportation system. Environmental concerns already strike areas with more delicate human relationships with the earth – think water supply battles in the Klamath basin. Lift lines at ski areas get longer and longer. You get the idea. Fairly or not, when a name is attached to the source of population growth problems, it is often “Californian.”
It is a largely unquestioned assumption that the influx of Californian real estate wealth has helped deliver a housing price boom that far outpaced local wages (among a myriad of other well documented reasons). To be honest, though, the big reason that Oregonians are cold to the Californian wave is that they don’t want (Southern) California’s problems to follow. Traffic, smog, illegal immigrants, gangs, insane costs of living, state budgetary ruin, and pretentious snobs are just some of the negative connotations the moniker “Californian” frequently generates in the mind of Northwesterners.
Full disclosure: I was born and raised in Spokane, not Portland. However, I can fully attest that the resentment of Californian migrants is at least as palatable in Spokane and Northern Idaho as it is in Oregon. Stories abound of homey communities like Sandpoint, ID suddenly sprouting gated communities whose new residents seek to take in the countryside’s splendor but look down their noses at their neighbors.
Back to the Lakers: we see that lots of basketball followers dislike them disproportionately more than other teams. The reasons given are usually along the lines of:
- They have legions of arrogant front running fans in the mold of the Cowboys, Yankees, Duke, etc.
- Their rosters have historically been filled with prima donnas.
- Their name makes no sense for LA, and is stolen from the mid-west.
- They are too dumb to tell the difference between purple and blue.
- Rick Fox.
Portland fans, on top of all that, have the 2000 WCF and more recently Trevor Ariza.
But is that it? Does that explain the vociferous animosity at the Rose Garden when the Lakers come to town? In my opinion, it does not. I think for many people, the influx of Kobe Bryant jerseys at the Rose Garden is not only a sign of support for the opposing team, but a portent of destruction for the Oregonian way of life. It is a sign of those who take of Oregon’s splendor, but give not of themselves – a middle finger from those who would drink from your fountain only to spit in your face.
Well, denizens of Blazersedge, do you think this concept has merit? Is this rivalry exclusive to basketball, or do you feel like there are societal ramifications to it?
* US Census Data
84 comments
|
14 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
You solved the mystery
That is pretty much it…plus a lot of playoff losses (prior to 2000) as well.
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
The rivalry between the Portland and L.A. definitely transcends sports
I think that is clear. While the L*kers (and especially) Kobe have a lot of qualities that Blazers fans dislike within the scope of the NBA, I think many fans have a stronger hatred because they feel like the L*kers serve as a microcosm and reflection of the city they represent – they are flashy, dramatic, media-oriented and cocky. I don’t personally hold a lot against the city of L.A. – just my interpretation of the situation.
Oregon is California's Canada
Also, Northern California should become its own state. The metrapolises of SoCal only drag it down.
by BigMacAttackin on Apr 10, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
hey i like Duke
but only cuz i am from Alaska and Alaska freaked out over Trajan Langdon and Carlos Boozer, fellow Alaskans
Magneto was right
MEMO TO KP-GET BIRDZILLA!
This stuff has a lot to do with why my animosity
is directed more against L*ker fans than L*ker players (though some of them are, no doubt, punkazzes).
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
It says
“Major League Baseball Baseball, which is silly.
But it would be awesome to get an MLB team
by usdblazerfan on Apr 10, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
which is why i said MLB Baseball doesn't make sense
but the games when the Dodgers/Angels visit would get intense, as this post basically theorizes that it’s not so much a rivalry between teams, but the people. Thus I think it’s safe to say that this “rivalry” would transcend into another major sport.
rec
you just summed all my feelings towards the Lakers as well as California. The rivalry is definitely more than just sports… in fact, I’d say that if you only consider the basketball team and not the city/fans/etc., the Celtics easily top the Lakers on my most-hated list.
Rec'd. Nailed it.
The town I grew up in was systematically ruined by Californians: Medford, Oregon. By the time the 90s rolled around, the town went from a quaint small-town to a suburban nightmare complete with garish mini-malls, track housing and gated communities. It also, at one time, was the number one retirement destination for, you guessed it, old, cranky Californians. I’m sure that’s changed by now, but I hate the fact my hometown is forever stained with that statistic.
"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas
I grew up in Medford, too
It was always lame. Sorry, but it’s true.
Medford was systematically ruined by poverty and drugs.
Not to mention mill closures. (I have a friend from college from there that walked me through the town’s demise several times over beers.)
I am from the midwest and moved to Portland
for the great neighborhoods and access to the coast…The one thing I did not consider is that while wages here resemble the area a came from, housing prices look more like Calfornia. As a single guy making a decent Portland wage I find myself priced out of anyplace I want to live.
the post nails it, Californians are fleeing their state in droves to get away from their ‘problems’, what I don’t get is everywhere they go they drive up costs, build more suburbia strip mall wastelands and create horrible congestion problems by insisting on more roads/lanes instead of getting behind rail or other transportation modes. If you want your Californian lifestyle then stay in California, don’t bring it here and ruin a good thing…
Portland is wonderfully weird and I want to keep it that way…
Go Blazers!
Support those in crisis in Portland www.give10tell10.org
Can’t sympathize with you. The neighborhoods I grew up in in N/NE Portland had entire families priced out of living in neighborhoods they had been in for several decades. Single male transplant households aren’t exactly the ones I pity.
If you’re down with condos they’re popping those bad boys up with a vengeance!
Economics question:
if a family has been in a neighborhood for decades, wouldn’t their property be worth more? how do they get priced out? did they move a lot?
Diet. Dr. Pepper.
I can think of a few different cases from my own neighborhood where people, for a myriad of circumstances, could not afford to stay in the neighborhood/community. In itself the whole gentrification of the area is a pretty loaded issue and I’d rather talk hoops then the specifics of how my neighborhood has changed, who has changed it, what is good about it and what I don’t like about it… I’m sorry to even bring it up.
Big game tonight though, am I right?
Check out the surrounding neighborhood by Concordia University
It’s a prime example. You have a low income neighborhood and many of the college grads stayed in the area because they were settled. Once they started making more money, they fixed up the houses and and it became a nicer area to live in. This raised property taxes and priced out many families. A large amount then moved towards gresham, especially the Rockwood district. Up and down the max line you will find low income housing.
While Rockwood is still not very nice, Gresham did put in some money through the urban revitalization project. This however also uprooted many families and local businesses. If you talk to many of the latino families in that area they will tell you that it was Gresham’s way of “cashing in” on the market. This is because the area had started to turn around and the city had several 10 year leases to local shop owners that they suddenly cancelled after only 1 or 2 years. It really comes down to your view of politics and urbanization.
i've played disc golf at Rockwood park a bunch of times. not bad for being within the city.
Diet. Dr. Pepper.
how is that course?
Disc Golf is my sport
by Peteyhasnohead on Apr 10, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
not looking for sympathy
inasmuch that a single above average income for the market should be sufficient to get into some property in the area. families getting priced out does suck more, never came close to claiming it didn’t.
Support those in crisis in Portland www.give10tell10.org
Well...
As somebody that grew up in Portland, but left to join the military at 17 (i.e. before I got any real first hand experience with those problems), this makes sense to me, but in a slightly different way.
Having met all kinds of people from all over the country, there is definitely a “northwestern personality” as much as there is a “southern personality”. I never knew it living there and even after I moved away, it took me a while to notice the trend as most northwesterners just seemed “normal” to me, but now I can spot it a mile away.
One of the main characteristics of that personality (and the key one to this discussion) is an incredible dislike of anything fake. LA on the other hand represents everything glamour. If you look the work up on dictionary.com you’ll see 4 definitions, but up until about 60 years ago, the only definition of the words was definition #3:
3. magic or enchantment; spell; witchery.
Any fans of fantasy RPGs should recognize that definition. It’s the idea of making something more appealing through trickery or other falsehoods. Sounds like exactly the type of thing a bunch of people that don’t like fake stuff wouldn’t like, eh? It’s probably not a coincidence that one of the most common plays on “Lakers” is “Fakers”.
I believe that is the core issue here. Traffic and housing prices are just more convenient to complain about.
by Gargen on Apr 10, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Also...
It also makes sense why we love our down to earth team… especially Channing, the king of keeping it real, but real real, not that fake I’m-trying-to-be-a-badass real.
I think you make some really good points.
When I moved to Portland I was shocked at how upset people were about Californians moving here. It seemed then and it seems now very xenophobic, and I cringe when I hear someone say as the OP put it:
.. they don’t want (Southern) California’s problems to follow. Traffic, smog, illegal immigrants, gangs, insane costs of living, state budgetary ruin, and pretentious snobs ..
And that’s not to bash the OP – he just did a good job of summarizing it. I think what you say has merit and has an unique angle on the situation.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
The last two places I’ve been stationed are “near LA” and now in Las Vegas which, if it’s possible, is even more glam than LA.
It amazes me every time I visit home how down to earth everyone is… and not just my friends and family (I already know how they are), but all the people on the streets, the waitresses at the restaurants, and the guy behind the counter at the bowling alley.
I totally agree.
Don’t you think that people gravitate to places that fit their personalities, though?
That people fleeing Los Angeles are coming here because they like hiking and reading books or whatever?
Aside from the symptoms of rapid population growth, I haven’t noticed much of a change in our culture.
It can often come off as a kind of “damn those Okies” vibe in reverse, which I think is weird and not, as you correctly put it, very “down to earth”.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
the problem is population growth can occur
without strip malls and 6 lane side roads…
and population growth is not solely responsible for the housing prices in Oregon, part of it is the artificial inflation created by californians who sell their condo in LA and then never engage in competitive bidding on the property they buy here, they just offer asking price. I know 3 people who did that myself…It is great for them coming from the astronomical California market, but it does artificially inflate the price here…
I am just glad that the core of portland has some tight land use laws…
There has been a push to change city governance practices here too, which while somewhat innefficient, does serve to help Portland be what it is. Glad the last attempt failed!
Support those in crisis in Portland www.give10tell10.org
I agree the attitudes up here are different
I once described it as an odd mix of hippy ultraconservativism…you can’t easily sort out anyone’s ideology here…it is all a wonderful weirdly grounded (as you point out) sort of chaos…
All things seemingly contradictory…
The traffic and housing pricews indeed are just symptons of the deeper issue, it is always easier to gripe about the symptoms
Support those in crisis in Portland www.give10tell10.org
IMO, this "rivalry" feeling also occurs between other places of the country.
For instance, the “rivalry” between the Pac-10 and the SEC.
Pac-10 fans are more laid back and hate how rabid SEC fans are.
I don't understand the closing of the northbound lanes part and making the other side into a 2 lane highway
That would just make traffic really crappy to and from Eugene.
This signature intentionally left blank.
I think it's kinda silly that you hate the Lakers and they don't even know who you are
These kinds of things are how I know Portland will always retain that small town mentality. That and MLS Soccer.
Blazer Fan
Oh they know who we are.
They know everyone just as well as we all know each other. But if you play for the L*kers, you are required to act like no other team has merit or identity. It’s all about L.A. If you win, it’s because you were better. If you lose, it because you didn’t play your best. It’s never about the other team’s performance.
Here in Portland, we are RABID Blazer fans. But we acknowledge what is a realistic, and unrealistic expectation. When L.A. was struggling, not even playing terrible, just struggling. Their fans acted like it was a betrayal of all their commitment. That somehow they deserved a championship team, at least every other year. The sense of entitlement, the lack of humility, it makes me want to puke.
These Blazers need to take up the Spurs mantle. Character and teamwork need to overcome flash and ego, at least every so often. Go Blazers. Beat LA.
Blazers Prophecy.
3-5 championships in next decade.
You heard it here first.
yeah that is the truth
about LA fans
Other than death and taxes, only 4 things in this world are indisputable:
Brandon Roy is the BEST player in the NBA in the clutch.
Montana to Rice were the greatest to ever play the game.
The Four Horsemen of Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine and Avery were unstoppable.
No one protects the pipes like Luongo.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 10, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
it's about their "fans".
Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
Possibly Pertinent
So this seemed as good a place as any to ask. My family moved from San Luis Obispo, CA in late ’83 when I was one. Should I continue to keep this family secret buried? What is the statute of limitations for when can we be considered Oregonians, if ever?
wanderlust
Had you had your 1st birthday yet??
I can’t answer til I know
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Apr 10, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Erase this post and just keep your head down and mouth shut when people talk about CA. You can probably hide out.
Agree'd
Hide out and claim you are from the Mexican town of San Luis Obispo (even if such a town doesn’t exist, no one up here will know that)
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Apr 10, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
What do I do?
I was born and raised in Oregon, but I have lived in the Bay Area since 1980, which means I’ve lived in California more years than I lived in Oregon. What am I?!
There has got to be more to life
than just really, really, really, ridiculously good weather.
by MiledAnimal on Apr 10, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Traitor!!!!
Jus kiddin’ …..You are in a good spot really (identity-wise). When you are here you can claim native….when you are home in cali, you can be all pretentious and stuff cause you will have adapted.
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Apr 10, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but until you supply documentation
proving that you live in a gated community, I cannot engage you in dialogue.
by MiledAnimal on Apr 10, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
A PRISONER?
"CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES, SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU, AND HEAR THE LAMENTATION OF THEIR WOMEN." CONAN
by SELFDESTRUCTABLE on Apr 10, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't know it yet but you're actually a Warriors fan.
I’m sorry I had to be the one to tell you this.
I'd like to be, but what an inept, bungling organization.
They’ve turned into Clippers North.
by MiledAnimal on Apr 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
They seemed like they might be turning a corner the past few years...
… but then they reminded us that they’re the Warriors.
Look at it this way—you’d probably feel obligated to go to just as many games as a Warriors fan in the bay area as you would a Blazers fan in the bay area.
Coolest thing about being a Warriors fan? Don Nelson appears to be drunk round the clock.
Some locals
will never give you that distinction. The term “Native” gets used like a badge of honor for those born in OR. Oddly enough, being born someplace gets you zero cred in places with meaningful ethnic populations (AK and Hawaii).
I'm not a native but never ever felt unwelcome in Oregon, but perhaps the reason
was that I moved to Oregon because I wanted to live in a place like Oregon, I didn’t move here because I saw an opportunity to make some money by turning Oregon into a place just like the place I left.
by raoulduke on Apr 10, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you for that...
keep oregon weird!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Just a native Portlander that isn’t into the “Keep Portland XXXXX” movement, that’s all. Especially the “weird” thing. Commuting on Trimet two or three times weekly makes me think that Portland could stand to be a little less weird…
Wholly agreed.
I live in Anaheim and from what I can tell, the Fakers are God’s gift to basketball. Ugh, and the detestable Rob Fukuzaki.
Google helped me solve this mystery...
Appears to be a regional sports personality for the LA area… I say Ed Whelan gets the TKO in the first round…

Well, if you were born in Oregon/Portland THEN you would be a native, just as you are a native of wherever you were actually born.
It’s a badge of honor for us because so many people have moved here over the past decade—it’s a pride thing I guess.
As far as AK and HI go, the word native carries a completely different meaning because of the strong numbers native people still have in those areas. I can see how in those areas being born there means nothing. In Portland and in Oregon, however, it definitely means something locals, like it or not.
nothing wrong with SLO
it doesnt share the sensibilities of hollywood
Other than death and taxes, only 4 things in this world are indisputable:
Brandon Roy is the BEST player in the NBA in the clutch.
Montana to Rice were the greatest to ever play the game.
The Four Horsemen of Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine and Avery were unstoppable.
No one protects the pipes like Luongo.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 10, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Monkey on our back, not theirs!
Coming back to basketball reasons for the “one-way” dislike:
In 1991, we won 62 games and were the favorites to win the championship. Instead we lost to the L@kers, the L@kers were no match for the Bulls, the Bulls won their title and was the start of their dynasty. Do you think that there would have been roster impact, and confidence impact — after finally getting past the Pistons, only to lose to the Blazers? What would have been the morale like in the locker room? Would refs have called it differently, if the Blazers were the champions, instead of the Bulls? Could just as easily have been a Blazer three-peat 91-93!
Again, the unmentionable 2000 loss, had significance because it was the start of the L@kers “dynasty”. Same question: do you think Kobe and Shaq would have survived the finger pointing and bickering if they had lost that year in 2000? What roster impact and lack of team trust would have ensued if the Blazers had won in 2000? Maybe not so clearly, this time around but it could have been a three-peat for the Blazers. Instead we were the ones that went in to self-destruction and freefall.
Thats twice, that it could have been Blazer dynasties, but the L@kers stopped us. Thats twice that other teams have had three-peat runs instead. May not mean as much to the L@kers because they have won championships so many times, but to us the Blazers, it seems like they are the monkey on our back that we have to shed, before we RULE!
by FromAfar on Apr 10, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
"DESTROYED"
being a key to satisfation.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
mind my poor spelling.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Exactly
All the other reasons definitely play into it, but that moment is the moment I remember most. I became aware of basketball and the blazers about a year or two before and I was FURIOUS that the no talent lakers that we KNEW would be swept, beat the blazers.
Of course, now I put the blame on the blazers for not stepping up, but that was definitely were my anamosity started flourishing. After that is was a constant “hey! We’re a good team but who’s our first round match? the lakers? CRUD!” and we were knocked out in the first round… for YEARS.
Also… Rick fox.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Interesting Post
I think generalizations about groups of “other” always drive rivalrys. That the popular generalization about Angelenos is vacuous superficiality is handy. Of course we all understand there are plenty of decent people in SoCal, but its fun to objectify them. It’d be nice if we could win enough games against them that they’d feel sufficiently threatened by us to develop a negative generalization in return.
Remember this from last year:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pau_gasol_googles_lakers_celtics
I’m proud to be born in Oakland, happy I later grew up in Oregon, not really a fan of high rent or LA, Topanga Canyon is nice though:

that's a big rock.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I had to do some work training in Woodland Hills..
and all the streets were called things like “Topanga Cyn” and “Woodland Cyn.” I finally asked someone what a “cyn” is. I felt dumb when he told me is meant “canyon.”
Diet. Dr. Pepper.
i would have guessed blue
and that they all had taken the blue pill.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
I think for me, I enjoy the rivalry with the Lakers
what I hate is laker fans. and in reality laker fandom, which includes their broadcasts, their radio talk shows, and all that nonsense.
Laker fans dont MEAN to be so ignorant, they just dont have any choice. All they know is that they are best team, no matter if they finish 12th in the west, that other teams all want to be them, and everyone else is jealous of them, even the celtics who won the title. their radio shows and tv broadcasts and journalists all feed this need because thats what the fans want.
If anyone saw SouthPark on friday, Kyle explains how Cartman lives with himself for doing such bad things, he literally talks himself into believing that the way he sees it is ACTUALLY the way it happened. Laker fans are like this. And while I have met differing fans of every other organization (blazers have eternal optimists, eternal dissidents, oden sheeple, and fatty for example) who see both sides of arguments and admit other teams have great players, i have met maybe 2 total laker fans who actual can admit the lakers have flaws and/or other teams are good. and I live in LA.. they just talk themselves into it. But when its all they know, all they are told and all their friends agree to, well… who can blame them.
Also if I could make one change to the world of fandom, I would like Laker fans to be banned from using the word “Hater” in any context. Its the answer to 90 percent of disagreements with them. “Jim, I would rather have tim duncan than Adam Morrison.. wouldnt you?” “No, Morrison is awesome, dude youre just a hater”
something to that effect.. god forbid you dont like a laker player, your just a hater
hater
Other than death and taxes, only 4 things in this world are indisputable:
Brandon Roy is the BEST player in the NBA in the clutch.
Montana to Rice were the greatest to ever play the game.
The Four Horsemen of Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine and Avery were unstoppable.
No one protects the pipes like Luongo.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions
Wholly agreed.
I live in Anaheim and from what I can tell, the Fakers are God’s gift to basketball. Ugh, and the detestable Rob Fukuzaki…























