Game 77 Recap: Blazers 96, Grizzlies 93
Thank goodness the Blazers pulled it out. This would have been an awfully depressing recap otherwise. As it is, we can say a lot of things but make everything OK with a big "BUT" at the end.
General Observations
The Blazers came out of the gate in this game with all of the enthusiasm of a Wal-Mart greeter and all of the aggression of a candy striper giving her first sponge bath. And that is putting it politely. Maybe it was too much playoff-clinching celebration. Maybe it was being too used to beating the Grizzlies. Maybe it was just one of those games. Whatever it was, the Grizzlies jumped all over the opportunity like a team that had just won four straight and wanted to make it five. Portland got away with hitting jumpers in the first few possessions of the game but pretty soon they stopped falling. Memphis, on the other hand, juked past their defenders and drove it. Blake had trouble with Conley. Roy and Batum had trouble with Gay and Mayo. Przybilla and Oden both had trouble with fouls. It was trouble with a capital "T" and that rhymes with "P" and that stands for "Portland's down double-digits."
Remember that feeling when you went to see Star Wars Episode I for the first time? Everything before this has been great. You've been anticipating more fine things. The opening credits roll. Your heart races. Your hands clench your armrests.
And then the movie actually starts.
That pretty much describes the Blazers' first half. We're in the playoffs now. Everything's going to be rosy. We're fighting for seeding. Let's go, Blazers! Then between the turnovers, fast breaks allowed, lack of foot movement on defense, poor rotations, surrender of paint points, lack of penetration on offense, crappy spacing, foul trouble, and nearly every player who took the court being ineffective we posted a truly Jar-Jar Binksian performance. "Meesa feet no workin'! Meesa allow mooey easy buckets!"
After a 14 point second quarter wherein the Grizzlies racked us up like Minnesota Fats we trailed by 12 at the half.
Thank goodness the second half script switched from Phantom Menace to Fantastic Four.
First LaMarcus Aldridge morphed into The Thing and declared it was clobberin' time. He brutalized Memphis from mid-range and the post. He forced them to pay extra attention to him. This left the floor open for Rudy Fernandez, a.k.a. the Human Torch. He was absolutely on fire from distance and off the dribble, scoring 15 points in 18 minutes. Between the two of them and some tightened defense the Blazers gained 10 points in the third quarter.
Then going down the stretch Brandon Roy reprised his long-time role as Mr. Fantastic, destroying the Grizz off the drive and from the foul line. Unfortunately O.J. Mayo made like Dr. Doom and kept draining magical three-pointers, keeping the game tight. Then when it came down to being down by 1 with no timeouts left and 13 seconds left on the clock the Blazers called upon their secret super-weapon. Travis Outlaw did his best Invisible Woman impression by levitating, collecting Rudy Gay's 6th foul, and somehow banking in an improbable, leaning shot. The Grizzlies never scored again and the Blazers ended up winning by 3.
Having allowed the Grizzlies to shoot over 50% the whole game (finishing at 52.2%) while remaining in the 30's themselves the Blazers found redemption and ended up with a respectable 49.3% from the field. Portland's impressive 6-14 three-point clip was dwarfed by Memphis going 9-14. Had either stat been the deciding factor the Blazers would not have won. What's worse, Portland had only 14 assists on the night (quite low) and turned the ball over 18 times for 23 Memphis points (quite high).
The Blazers won this game because they doubled up Memphis in free throw attempts (28-14), grabbed 13 offensive rebounds while allowing Memphis only 4, and generally controlled the glass by rebounding as a team when the centers were forced to the bench by fouls. That was enough, barely.
Synopsis: Blah blah energy, blah blah focus, blah blah blah BUT...we won.
Individual Observations
--Brandon Roy was actually having kind of a rough night before he decided we weren't going to lose this game. The Grizz wings were scoring on him, he was having to work hard to generate any offense...things just weren't clicking. Then all of a sudden he turned it on, started getting into the lane, and owned the fourth quarter. He finished with 24 points on 7-16 shooting, 8-11 from the free throw line. He had 4 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers.
--LaMarcus Aldridge was also 7-16 but he only scored 15 because he got to the line only once. They were an important 15 though, kick-starting our offense in the third quarter. He led the team with 8 rebounds and also got 3 assists, matched by his 3 turnovers. His defense improved from the first half to the second.
--Joel Przybilla got two early fouls. Even though he never picked up another one the combination of the Grizzlies collapsing on defense and Greg Oden having a good night limited his minutes to 19. He had 4 rebounds and a block and went 5-5 from the line, finishing with 9 points.
--Steve Blake attempted one shot all night and hit it. He had one assist as well. As stated, he was having some difficulty with Mike Conley who shot 5-10 on the evening and had 8 assists. That said, he scrapped in there and ended up with 7 rebounds and 2 steals. He found other ways to help us win tonight.
--Nicolas Batum moved around a lot but had one of those nights where he ended up fading into the background. He had 5 points, a rebound, and an assist in 19 minutes. It wasn't a bad game for him, just not a standout performance.
--Rudy Fernandez was a key off the bench tonight. Along with LaMarcus he put us in position to take this game. His three-point stroke was on. He looked to score when he got the ball. 15 points in 18 minutes shooting 50% from the field and from range is mighty fine. He added 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, and only 1 turnover. We'll need this from Rudy in order to prosper the rest of the way.
--Greg Oden had a mediocre first half but broke loose in the second half and started dominating the inside. He rebounded a little and dunked a lot as soon as he remembered he was more powerful than any of the Memphis big men. He also set some mean picks. Ironically much of his best work came after he picked up his 5th foul. It's like he said, "Screw it. I'm just playing now." It worked. The refs never tagged him with the final one. 10 points on 5-8 shooting and 5 rebounds in 23 minutes.
--Sergio Rodriguez also had a shaky start. His play and the team's both looked discombobulated. However he came on very strong in the second half and marshaled the action on the floor, making the offense look quite good and hustling his butt off on defense. He finished the game with 4 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, and no turnovers.
--Travis Outlaw played 28 minutes and scored that wonderful last field goal. Like Oden he went 5-8 but he only shot 1-5 from the free throw line, finishing with 11 points.
--Channing Frye played 6 minutes, collected 2 rebounds, and missed 2 shots.
Final Thoughts
Memphis put up a good fight and maybe even deserved to win this game. It was nice to see from them. They have talent, though perhaps not well-meshed yet. I'm glad the Blazers netted the victory though. Good teams win games this was sometimes too. We'd better come with more active feet in San Antonio tomorrow. There won't be any getting up from a first-half stumble of these proportions there.
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Phew, glad we pulled that one off...
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein
by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Apr 7, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
My favorite part of the game, just from watching the highlight package
was the Roy dunk with a couple of minutes remaining. If you watch him come off Oden’s pick, May is completely out of the play, unable to get around Mount Oden.
Boom. Two points for the good guys.
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mine had to be the blocked dunk
Warrick can jump – that was an amazing play by GO
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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 7, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't see it
just caught the recap on NBA.com. I hope DMKPDX does a mix for this game.
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find it in the 4th - or maybe someone will youtube it
I think Warrick was guarded by Travis at the left free throw line extended, beat Travis cleanly to the lane and soared…. until the ball was swatted out of his hand at the apex of his jump. Amazing.
There is a quality to some of Greg’s blocks that other players don’t have. I’m rarely surprised by one of Joel’s – you can see him setting up and timing it. But on a few occasions, Greg seem to come out of nowhere (think the block on Tucker in the Suns game) and swallow the shot. It was amazing. Block of the night stuff
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 8, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this aspect of having Oden in the rotation needs more play. I seriously wonder if there’s another player in the entire NBA whose impact on the game is more poorly reflected by the box score.
Even if his offensive game is raw as hell, you can’t leave him alone. He’s just too…sorry, but he’s too big. I’m reminded of that and-one against the Jazz where Roy found him in the post and just lobbed it up to him where only he could get it, and it was just over. Everybody was inside the circle, nobody was gonna get a charge, and I thought, now how do you stop that? You can’t hardly stop that entry pass, and you can’t do anything with him once the pass is made. They tried. Millsap held down one arm and I think CJ Miles grabbed the other. Didn’t matter.
Teams aren’t stupid, so they do what they can to stop that entry pass. But you don’t worry about Przybilla inhaling that lob pass like Oden does. It’s just not his game. Nor do you worry about him shrugging off a couple of forwards for the layup and the foul, really. My point is that he really does force teams to gameplan for him. I’m not saying that coaches sit up til 2 am with clipboards diagramming out The Oden Rules, but they have to wince when he checks in. “Oh, f*ck. Well, for crissakes front him. And pressure the point, try to deny that pass if he goes to the basket.” That’s all you can do. And when he gets a decent hook shot, forget about it.
To my original point, his presence impacts the box score, but it doesn’t show. Last game I caught in person was the Grizzlies game here at the RG. Oden was credited with two blocks. Wanna know how many shots he might as well have blocked for all the impact he had on em? There were, like, three, where the shooter had to put such an arc on the thing that it had no prayer. A huge Oden mitt coming at him. The dude changes the way the game is played. He’s not there yet, but when I see him play, I get a glimpse of the true Impact Player he can be. And I capitalize that because there’s maybe a dozen or so Impact Players in the league. It’s not the stats, it’s the effect you have on the way the game is played and the way the other team is forced to react when you’re on the floor.
And by the way, truth be told, I don’t know if Kevin Durant will be an Impact Player. He’ll be an All-Star for many years, I don’t doubt, but will he ever be that kind of player? I don’t know. Anyway, blah blah blah. Just thinking out loud.
I'm not a Durant believer as of yet
the way teams single him out on defense is incredible to watch. I know it was a small sample size, but OKC was very good defensively while he was out.
I like Oden. When he’s playing well, he dominates the game. I can’t wait for next year.
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recently, against San Antonio
the game was on the line, late in the fourth quarter. San Antonio completely singled out Durant… it was so obvious.
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A one-on-one with KD and Morrison would be fun to watch
But let’s not pile on KD. No reason to be defensive about Oden. He’s not Bill Russell. Yet.
Either way, let others debate whether Portland made a mistake not drafting a guy whose D will always keep him in the Arenas/T-Mac category of “guys good enough to get you a 4-5 seed but limited enough to ensure you’re not winning more than one playoff series.”
It’s not about who’s the best player. It’s about who’s the best player for your team.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Could you imagine if you combined Durant and Oden?
Give Oden the offensive abilities of Durant and you have like… Sabonis in his prime on crack.
Good points
Dwight Howard impacts the shots on the defensive end even more than the boxscore says. I believe Greg will too. At the college level, you could see players so confused by his presence that they started traveling when he approached, pump faking three times, and making other dumb moves hoping he would just go away. His rebounding has already translated very well to the pro level. His shot-altering defense should come back with his athleticism. If only his foul troubles also get under control when he has his speed back I’ll be happy.
Greg needs to work on hand strength (when people slap at him he has to power through and get +1s)
Defending with his feet and not his arms (regain that lateral quickness that made him ‘poop your pants’ scary in college)
Hook shots, finishing lobs, free throws, short jumpers (and do it with somebody hanging on him)
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by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 8, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
So true
as great of a season that Joel is having, he really can’t hold a candle to what Greg brings offensively, or especially on the offensive boards. I’m thinking of Greg snagging those two one handed back handed rebounds with a man draped over him against Utah, I think.
My issue with how he’s being used now is that it seems like Nate tells him to just go out and not worry about fouls at all when he goes in, because we have Joel, also. I’d really like to see Greg playing slightly more conservatively with respect to fouling, but able to give us something closer to 20-25 minutes on a regular basis.
As for Channing, he should never see the floor over the rest of the season. He’s something like -36 in the last 15 meaningful minutes he’s played. That’s insane, so anything that keeps him off the floor as a center is a good thing.
You're absolutely right about Channing Frye, who should be supplanted by Shavlik Randolph ...
in the rotation as the team’s third-string center during emergency situations.
Long story short
Give Greg the ball. We never ever run plays for him.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 8, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I am not
sure it is time to run plays for him yet, i like how we have been using him so far, and he is coming along nicely.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
When Greg Oden is being guarded by Hamed Haddadi
He needs to touch the ball every time down the court.
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We do at times
If he’s not really deep, he’s pretty ineffective still. That’ll get better once he does though.
Amen
BTW, it was Okur (not CJ Miles) that grabbed GO’s left arm on that play you referred to. Millsap had the right one. And Oden STILL made the basket. He made them seem like little kids; it was absolutely Shaq-like.
I can’t think of anyone else in the league today—and only a handful of players in NBA history—who could have made that shot with a pair of big, strong guys holding his arms for the purpose of preventing it. Shaq, Wilt Chamberlain, Artis Gilmore, Darryl Dawkins, Moses Malone…OK, I just ran out of candidates. And Greg Oden is just 21 years old.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Case in point: Nate just subbed in Oden for Przy,
Oden immediately gets an awesome block and then on the other end Roy misses a put back but Oden is the other side of the rim collecting the ball for the Jam. Without that timely substitution this game was likely a loss.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
yeah was that a pass from b-roy or just a really bad shot?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
NEW NBA STAT NEEDED
In the NFL they keep track of hurried throws, and sacks. GO effects so many shots and non shots, many guards just dribble through the lane or pass back out because they don’t want to have GO spike the ball and leave Spalding dented into their forehead. What is the point of having 6 fouls and not use them, they don’t roll-over to the next game. I love the no call look GO gave after Marc Gasol held on to his jersey to try and stop him. GO is a force inside and is just getting better. Joel must have had some Grizzly fan heckling him because just at they walked off the court he let out a take that you Mother F*cker that came over Rebecca Harlow’s mike. OOOPPS need to use that dump button quicker.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
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So Noted , but it must be ok if you post a Greg Oden video….
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Duncan played 33 mins in Ok
Does Pop sit him?
by southern oregon on Apr 7, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions
he might try
but Timmy will want to play anyway. I say Timmy talks him into it. – Elgin
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LaMarcus welcomed OJ to the league in the first quarter with a monster block.
Greg had a huge block as well on a dunk attempt. We cannot rely on our defense, good thing we have a great offense.
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That's at least the 2nd time Greg has played well with 5 fouls.
Perhaps the refs become a little shy about fouling an (arguably, at this stage, or intermittently) important player out on something cheap.
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I think he's done it three or four times
I recall a game a few months back with 5 fouls…
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Refs do tend to call less ticky tack stuff with 5 fouls
The best way to get a 6th foul is to affect someone shooting. They won’t call moving picks or minor slaps unless they are totally blatant. They will call with you bump a guy shooting. (SuperTrout doesn’t care if he’s bumped though, he’ll just bank in a ridiculous shot.)
Outlaw does it again
Outlaw’s shot with 13 seconds to go was almost an exact replica of his winning shot in December 2007…which also happened to be against the Grizzlies. Coincidentally, that’s the game that started us on that 13-game winning streak.
Travis is our good luck charm.
whoa, see my comment below.
I didn’t see your comment when I was posting mine.
I will be happy to share good luck charm duties with travis though.
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
I'm not saying I'm a good luck charm or anything.
But the minute I got out of ballet class, got in my car and turned on my radio, the blazers started their comeback in this game.
Should I be the official good luck charm? Probably.
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I had to turn my radio off and get out of the car
when Channing came in. We were down three. I expected a collapse before halftime, and, voila, meltdown.
Channing is the official unlucky charm.
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unfortunately, he's just no good with sporadic, 5-minute stints off the bench
He needs consistent minutes to be effective, which he doesn’t get, barring injury. We might as well try Ruffin or Randolph instead. Coach may be pleasantly surprised..
I feel myself getting extremely pissed everytime Frye jacks up a shot outside of 15 feet, and that’s just not healthy!
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 8, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying I’m a good luck charm or anything.
Should I be the official good luck charm? Probably.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 7, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
haha, I know. I realized that after I posted it...
I ate my words.
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For me, it totally makes sense
for the Blazers’ good luck charm to be a ballerina. – Elgin
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interesting question
What are the Spanish and French words for ballerina? – Elgin
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any young lady going to ballet class
should be called a ballerina, in my mind.
But what I know about ballet could be written in one paragraph.
Claire: Are you a ballerina? – Elgin
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I think it says a lot about this team (or at least my personal perception of this team) that even when they’re playing a sub-.500 team and they’re down big in the first half, or even in the third, I no longer doubt, or at least don’t sigh with resignation.
I had company for dinner and couldn’t catch this game on 95.5, but I popped in towards the end of the second quarter when Memphis was in charge. And my first thought wasn’t, oh man, not good, oh boy. It was, hoo I better catch the fourth, this should be a good finish, Memphis is showing up tonight.. Big difference. Huge difference.
I officially have enough faith that against an inferior team, Portland will not get blown out. They just won’t go out like that. They might not necessarily win, but they’re not going to be down double digits with 6 to go in the fourth. They’ll figure something out and turn it on in the third.
Good teams do that. The Lakers do it. LeBron and the Cavs do it. They might not be able to do it against the Celtics or the Magic, etc., but against the Grizzlies, or the Bucks, or the Warriors, they’ll find a way to make it a game. We have become that kind of team.
That doesn’t mean we’ll necessarily make it a game after giving up a 20-point cushion to LeBron or Yao or whatever. But that’s the mark of a top team: can you make the adjustments, put your hard hat on, and claw back to a position to win? Yes, we can. That was not us last year. Frankly that may be the biggest difference from this team a year ago. I’d be interested in stats on wins after being down 15 or more to sub-.500 teams last year vs. this year. I’ll bet you anything there’s a statistical jump there.
All that said…whew.
by rivetz on Apr 7, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And we did it on the road
(high five)
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by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 7, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, you nearly had me.
Have read the last few of your posts and thought, “hey, this guy is insightul and well written…..a true Blazer’s fan”…All up until I got to the part about having company over for dinner, ON GAME NIGHT!?!?!?
A REAL Blazer fan would NEVER have anyone over during game night, unless the guests were committed to quietly helping with the large Flying Pie Pepperoni and listening along…
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by philly420pdxhilo on Apr 8, 2009 4:09 AM PDT up reply actions
no worries...
It was luis scola, i slipped a mickey into his arugula
two weeks from now, he gets horrible headaches, blurred vision, and a strange psychotic urge to pick fights at random with anyone over 7’5"
I love Flying Pie
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They are a Super Bowl tradition
for Mrs. Elgin and me. – Elgin
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calling all photoshoppers
there is a Fantastic 4 poster that needs some ‘blazing improvements’ if you get my drift
and i think Mr. Fantastic is a great nickname for Roy, better than the Natural
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Apr 7, 2009 11:51 PM PDT reply actions
anything is better than THE ROYBOT for cryin out loud
I wish that nickname had never seen the light of day
Thanks Dave
I had to miss the last quarter, so I appreciate the write-up. I started to wonder who was gonna have to be the Invisible Woman when you started your F4 analogy. Poor Trout, hehe.
I don't think there's any QUESTION the Grizzlies deserved to win that game
The Trout play in particular was so unlucky for them. First, it didn’t appear that Gay fouled Travis. As the Memphis fans behind the hoop were indicating, Trout appeared to push off of Gay to create the contact, then travel before miraculously banking in the shot. Out goes Gay with his sixth foul, and on go the Blazers to victory. Talk about a lucky turn of events for the Blazers!
BTW, thank you Dave for the photo of GO’s block on Warrick’s dunk attempt. Love that follow-thru! How soon do you think Hakim will try that again??
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Eh I saw a foul there
Rudy was crowding him pretty good.
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by leeroyjenkins on Apr 8, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought is was pretty awesome
That Mike Conley bounced the ball off his foot right into B-Roy’s hands with none other than Greg Oden guarding him. I wonder what the percentage of fouls he gets are due to guards running into him and falling?
by seanovan mcnoob on Apr 8, 2009 12:43 AM PDT reply actions
That's because, like the Grizzlies team,
The fandom there SUCKS (in the nicest way possible, of course)
Blazers win!
Here's the Memphis paper's recap
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/apr/07/portland-rallies-beat-memphis-grizzlies-96-93/
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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 8, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions
and a selected quote
"I got into a rhythm," Mayo said. "The shots felt good so I just tried to knock down open shots. We did a good job of competing. We wanted to win this game, too, because Portland’s put a whipping on us all year."</strong> emphasis added
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 8, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Muhahaha
"He got into a rhythm and he carried us," Griz coach Lionel Hollins said of Mayo. "I thought he was going to bring us home, but unfortunately Brandon Roy had other ideas."
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Yeah, but that OJ Mayo is some rookie
Remember all the bad stuff said about him before the draft? He sure looks like a player to me. And I haven’t heard anything so far about him being a head case, either.
With Mayo, Gay, and Conley on the perimeter and Marc Gasol down low, the Griz have some building blocks for sure.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I think if they trade Gay for sumthin' real-er
They could have sumthin’ sweeter than Yoohoo.
Seattle will love them!
I think, once the Grizzlies move to Seattle, that the franchise history of the Sonics become Seattle’s again (that was part of the settlement to let them leave I think), and I think the franchise history of the Grizzlies should be given to the Thunder. Their crappily horrible franchise history befits a crappy franchise such as the Thunder.
Trade Gay for a draft pick, someone who can defend, anythang. He doesn’t go well with Mayo since Gay is only effective when he is the primary scorer, since he doesn’t do anything else but score, and not very well at that (for a main scorer, I mean). Scoring is cheap, and if someone doesn’t play ANY defense and isn’t good at playing off of a better player (Mayo) or isn’t able to help role players play better, then I say you sell high on the kid before the next good draft pick exposes his overratedosity even further.
Gasol is now and will always be a great ROLE PLAYING center (not a star, but anyone would be happy to have him), Conley should continue to develop and is pretty athletic (though I still don’t see Allstar games in his future like many expected, and what would be expected from where he was drafted in a really nice draft class), and Mayo is good— but probably not ‘build your franchise around’ good, like Roy is.
Like the Thunder, they need a few more drafts and (in my opinion) a trade of Gay before they are anything we need to worry about.
Conley is quick, but just doesn’t seem like that great of a playmaker and not really a scorer either. I thought he was just okay in college, and wasn’t sure why everyone expected him to be a star— he seemed to benefit a lot from being with Oden, not the other way around (in fact, all the games I watched of them in college, Conley annoyed me by not giving Oden the ball enough). He is certainly not a bust like many have said, since he is extremely young and has been injured… but I don’t see a star there.
I dunno. Maybe he just needs to be with some better players. Him and Mayo could be a great backcourt in some time.
The Pau Gasol trade is still a bad deal for them, even though it got them Marc, but starting over when you aren’t doing anything good as a team is almost ALWAYS the right decision… especially over consistent mediocrity. I can’t fault them for their decision for the long term, even if they could have maybe got a better draft pick or young talent out of it.
We certainly did not deserve that win but I’ll take it. They don’t need a win anyways, they got a nice moral victory out of almost beating us and helped themselves for lotto ballses.
Mortimer
The next best PG in Conley's class was Acie Law III
I had season tix to OSU that year and saw every game. I wouldn’t have expected Conley to be a “star,” in the way Andre Miller’s not a star. I certainly thought he got a little overrated as a top five pick. He was shocked to hear his stock had soared that high. He didn’t even think about declaring until he heard that.
But the reason I didn’t expect Conley to be a star is because he couldn’t really shoot a lick in college. He’s showing phenomenal progress in that department. If he develops into a consistent 40% guy from three, and keeps hitting the J off the dribble, watch out. He could develop into an all-star level guy, after all.
Either way, a solid, top ten NBA point guard who plays good D and runs the offense is worth a top five pick. I think the Blazers would love to have Conley right now. He’ll develop into a solid defender and playmaker because he’s smart and hard working with great athleticism, and a feel for the game.
(Bayless is smart and hard working, too. But does he have a feel for the game, at the point? I know “feel” is tough to pin down or articulate, but I think it’s real, and I fear not… )
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Not sure about a top 10 PG
He’ll be a decent PG in the years to come, but I’m not sure if he’ll crack that elite class. Parker and Kidd are going to become old and make way for some other guys, but dunno if Conley is one of them. Time shall tell!
The thing is, top 10 isn't really such a hard boundary to crack
Who would be the top 10 PGs in the league right now?
Paul, Williams, Parker, Chauncey, Harris, Rondo, Kidd, Nash, Miller, Calderon(?), in no particular order.
Within two years, Kidd, Nash, and Miller will all be no where near that list. Chauncey will barely be on it, if at all. The only real young guy I see as a lock to be better than him is Rose. Even if you throw Westbrook or Rubio on there ahead of Conley, there’s still a good chance he makes that list anyways.
I think he could battle for it
but still seeing him as more of a 10-15, although if he ends up in the 8-10 range I wouldn’t be shocked.
If he gets above that… color me very impressed.
I'd put his absolute best case
in the 5-8 range. There’s absolutely no way he’s getting past the big 4 guys 25 and under (Parker, Paul, Deron, Rose), but if he makes another leap I could see him passing Calderon (fairly easily), Rondo (torn as to how good he’d be on a team where he doesn’t get to play next to at least 2 HOFers every game), or Harris (might be destined to be one of those guys who you can build a decent team around, but not a great team). I wouldn’t necessarily expect it to happen, but if I squint my eyes and think real hard, I could see it.
Realistically, I’d expect the 8-10 range, and be pretty shocked if he wasn’t in the top half, easily, for basically the rest of his career.
Of course, none of this factors in Gilbert, depending on how you feel about him and his knee.
I disagree that Rose is anywhere near a lock
Rose has played ok this year, nothing more. He takes a lot of shots and scores some points. His PER has hovered around a respectable 15.
But he hasn’t shown ANYTHING to suggest he’s a top flight point guard. His pure point rating is near the bottom of the starting point guards in the league. He’s a scorer, and he never deserved the “pure point” rep in the first place. He averaged about the same assists per game as our boy B-Rex, despite playing a much faster pace and running the point full time.
Rose has some promise, but he’s much more raw than people realize, and he’s not yet a “real” PG. Maybe he will crack the upper echilon one day – he certainly has the athleticism – but I wouldn’t put his chances far above Conley’s.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
How ironic that they traded Battier
for Gay in the first place.
I do agree with a lot of your sentiments about the Grizzlies, though. I think Mayo will be a right in that wheelhouse just behind Roy, and Gasol will be one of those guys who will be a solid contributor for any team in the league, contender or not, kind of in a Brad Miller/Vlade Divac sort of way, without really being at that “star” level. I’m pretty disappointed in hindsight that we took McRoberts over him.
As to Conley, I’m a little higher on him than you, last minute turnovers notwithstanding. I’d highly doubt he has more than one AS game in him, at best, but that’s as much a function of him being stuck in the same conference as Roy, Paul, Deron, Mayo, and Parker as anything. Rondo, Paul, and Rose are probably the only PGs under 24 that I’d take over him (I’d think hard about Westbrook, though), so with each of those guys completely and utterly untouchable, he’d be a decent option.
Anyone notice the interaction btwn Nate and Darius at the end?
I swear Nate told him twice “You can play”
Thought that was kind of interesting.
Nice win although I hate the pattern of dogging it early and trying to turn it on late. Seems like they expend a lot of energy doing that.
Blazer Fan
Also what was Oden's +/- last night? Guy does a lot of little things that are helpful, I notice more and more
Just being BIG helps
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Apr 8, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Lastly I stand by my comment that I want a fresh Roy for the playoffs and he looks anything but fresh right now
Hey here’s an idea, maybe the other guys could help out by playing the first three quarters!
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Apr 8, 2009 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyone notice Joel
dropping a major Mother – F Bomb on somebody just before they cut to showing Nate & Darius. I replayed it several times and couldn’t make out what he said leading up to it but that final expletive came out loud and clear. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have Quick get behind that scene?
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So, ya that game stunk
but not just by the players, Nate I thought had one of his worst 1st half’s as a coach, ofcourse he made up for that with a good 2nd half to rally his team to win.
Worst decision of the night: Putting Frye in during the 2nd qtr, Blazers down 3 when he came in, Blazers down 12 when he leaves. Joel and Greg each had 2 fouls at the time, (maybe Greg had 3 not sure) but either way, Joel ended the game with 2 fouls, and Nate needs to trust his centers like he did with Greg in the 4th and let them play with their fouls. I love Frye but his play during the 2nd half of the season, (except for Cleveland) has been horrible, so KEEP HIM ON THE BENCH.
Has anyone noticed how little Miles has played since Memphis signed him
for the remainder of the year?
I’m willing to bet that he’s no where to be found on Memphis’ roster next season.
hakkaa päälle !
Not sure what Memphis was thinking there
I guess they were hoping for a miracle
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Apr 8, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The issue was never whether Darius could get out on the court and play a few games. It was about his ability to do so long term (in this case long term being no more than a whole season).
If Miles isn’t on a NBA roster next season, I’d say that’s a sure sign he can’t play anymore and that Memphis was out to screw us.
hakkaa päälle !
Ugly game to watch but I am impressed that it always seemed like Portland knew they could win the game.
The Oregonian said there were 10k people there, I would be shocked if it was over 5k, the entire upper decks were empty.
Greg is really playing well know and just needs to work on not getting those silly touch fouls, even though they don’t get called on other people. And the Channing offensive fouls is one of the weirdest fouls I have seen in a while. Also Lamarcus seems to have some sort of whistle repellent on lately as he would drive to the basket get hacked and get no call.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
sadly the Jar Jar Binks analogy works
nonetheless, Portland won this game because the don’t give up and Memphis hasn’t figured out how to close tight games down the stretch. I think the PTB got lucky tonight and another unspirited start against the Spurs will not result in a win, regardless of Duncan playing or not. Pops gets his guys to do the right things at the right time.
Has there been a what superhero is each Trail Blazer thread? Cuz I think Rudy might be Green Lantern. Unheralded power without a movie made out of him. (Probably cuz he’s a DC comics guy in need of Stan Lee’s appreciation.)
I AM A PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SUPPORTER.
-1 to Dave
For reminding me of the misery of a certain Jar-Jar Binks
What are you impressions of Roy?
"He's just a very, very good basketball player. Very smart. Very heady. He can do a little bit of everything on the court. As coaches, when we scout Portland we kind of put him in the same category as Kobe (Bryant), LeBron (James), Dwyane Wade. We treat him the same. He's that good."
- Byron Scott
Memphis had won its last four games by 5 points
all relatively close affairs. The Memphis paper noted that they’ve been winning the tight ones lately
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 8, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like Dave stepped it up in this report
after the beat-down he took from maxmillian for his Rockets game report.
Mayo torched Roy
But, Roy finished strong, and our bench finally kicked in!
Everyone needs to celebrate the bench production because even in those blowout wins our starters still have to play a lot of minutes, give the bench some credit everyone. Now hopefully both the yin and yang units will be firing on all cylinders tonight.
A Wal-Mart greeter giving their first sponge bath???
The Blazers came out of the gate in this game with all of the enthusiasm of a Wal-Mart greeter and all of the aggression of a candy striper giving her first sponge bath.
Medical is a growth industry after all. Very profitable.
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
Vendetta?
What’s Travis got against Memphis? Whatever it is, I love it.
If you say "basically" at the beginning of a sentence, you probably also put ketchup on everything you eat.
by CosmoPlavix on Apr 8, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions
I mentioned this in the game thread
but the bench completely turned this game around for us. I had to watch the Spanish feed on the internets, and the Spanish hosts were pretty excited—it was cool. That 3rd qtr run that killed the lead was all Rudy, Sergio and LmA…..It is critical that our bench contributes, we are a much better team when they do.
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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Homerism?
It looks like the Memphis bloggers (and I assume the rest of the fans) don’t think Rudy Gay fouled Travis in late game play from last night.
“While I left the stadium dejected, I wondered where it all went wrong. It would be a little too easy too blame it on the foul call and Conley’s turnover. The first problem started in the 3rd quarter when the Grizzlies were outscored by 10.”
“Rudy Gay ran by Travis Outlaw on a shot but never got within 6 inches of the player and was called for a foul.”
Is it just me…or do they have a case of homer blindness? Like seeing eye bad. It looks to me that not only was there a foul but it was very clearly a foul…..definite contact made. On a side note do I get that blind when I get my homer on? Just wondering
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I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
It was
a really bad foul, and Rudy knew it, it looked upset at himself for it. I think there were questionable calls but the blazers were definitely being more aggressive and trying to draw fouls in the second half, while Memphis was settling mainly for jump shots. The author of the blog ignores that in the foul discrepancy.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
This is the biggest fallacy of fans of any franchise, Blazers included. My experience has been that we are generally considered one of the whinier fanbases in the NBA. Now, I think it’s true that we have gotten more than our share of the shaft on officiating. But I think that many people forget:
1) We were a pretty craptastic team for a while there and didn’t get the respect from the officials as a result;
2) We had a bunch of whiners and jerks for a while on this team as well and even after they exited stage left you can’t expect refs to shed that perception of this franchise overnight;
3) Most importantly, the aggressive, drive-the-lane mindset is what gets the whistles blowing, and when we abandon that mindset we can’t expect the same treatment as a team who forcing contact and asserting themselves in the post. Fall in love with the mid-range jumper, don’t expect love from the refs. Fair? Nope. Reality? You bet.
I do
Tie goes to my team. I am pretty impartial unless it it is a questionable play, in that case I take a side.
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They won't have a good team
Until they end up in Seattle.
KARMA, as someone I knew a long time ago who I think now is dead once said. He was Russian, I think, and was a big fan of Spencer Hawes or someone who has that ‘look’.
Karma.
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